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| 00:02.08 | the_lord | Hi, is there any way to tell modest to notify me when there are new mails in a folder? |
| 00:02.38 | kerio | where is the data usage stored? |
| 00:02.50 | kerio | i think i messed it up a bit and now i have 276 B upped that persist after reset |
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| 00:04.23 | SpeedEvil | gconf |
| 00:04.26 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 00:04.35 | SpeedEvil | I forget how to access it |
| 00:04.43 | SpeedEvil | gconf-tool or omething can do it |
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| 00:06.30 | mortini_ | gconftool |
| 00:06.42 | kerio | oh crap i didn't mess it up, i upped 276 bytes of data in roaming |
| 00:06.45 | kerio | how did i do that? |
| 00:06.51 | kerio | it's configured to ask me to enable roaming data D: |
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| 00:06.58 | SpeedEvil | odd |
| 00:07.05 | SpeedEvil | 276 bytes... |
| 00:07.12 | SpeedEvil | only upped? |
| 00:07.19 | kerio | yup |
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| 00:07.37 | SpeedEvil | nothing springs to mind |
| 00:07.42 | kerio | meh |
| 00:07.47 | kerio | i hope i don't get charged for that |
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| 00:25.56 | b-man | gah |
| 00:26.07 | b-man | gobject-introspection really hates scratchbox :P |
| 00:26.08 | lcukn900 | rollseyes @ #liqbase lesbian screen discussion |
| 00:27.57 | yigal | I've just started following http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK, but it appears that they are using an obsolete Xephyr switch, "-kb", does anyone know what this did, or what I can use instead to make a proper window for Maemo development? |
| 00:29.43 | yigal | or perhaps the switch doesn't really matter, at all |
| 00:30.21 | jacekowski | use real phone |
| 00:30.34 | jacekowski | ARMEL target doesn't work with X |
| 00:31.05 | lcukn900 | yigal just try with and without? |
| 00:31.20 | yigal | this fails however, af-sb-init.sh start |
| 00:31.49 | yigal | lcukn900: can't really try 'with it' the switch has been removed from Xephyr |
| 00:32.10 | FireFly | Hrm |
| 00:32.24 | lcukn900 | then dont worry |
| 00:33.10 | yigal | thanks? if it doesn't work then don't worry, that's an awesome philosophy |
| 00:33.19 | FireFly | Is it possible to fetch metadata about current song playing via dbus from the Nokia media player? |
| 00:33.36 | FireFly | Apparently one can play/pause and similar, at least |
| 00:33.53 | yigal | saves time and energy |
| 00:34.03 | lcukn900 | yigal is there a problem with it being missed i thought you were just pondering |
| 00:35.00 | lcukn900 | firefly "mafw" is what you should be talking to. yes it can be used to get that info |
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| 00:35.23 | lcukn900 | mmm not sure how much metadata though you will have to look |
| 00:35.34 | FireFly | Hmm, all right, I'll take a look |
| 00:35.36 | FireFly | Thanks for the hint |
| 00:35.44 | yigal | lcukn900: no, I want to learn to cross compile - initially routino, http://www.routino.org/software/, just a cli program and then later more complicated apps. so right now I can't |
| 00:36.04 | lcukn900 | but scratchbox works? |
| 00:36.21 | FireFly | yigal, I sat up the Maemo SDK a few days ago, annd running without -kb should work all right |
| 00:36.39 | FireFly | <yigal> this fails however, af-sb-init.sh start |
| 00:36.41 | FireFly | Try "restart" |
| 00:36.50 | yigal | FireFly: ok |
| 00:37.05 | FireFly | Worked for me (probably because I had tried "start" tonnes of times before and it hadn't cleaned up stuff) |
| 00:37.28 | yigal | owell segfault this time |
| 00:37.42 | yigal | will try again, sign off, sign in and see if I'm lucky |
| 00:37.53 | FireFly | Good luck |
| 00:38.22 | yigal | thank you, I really wish I didn't need it, but thank you |
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| 00:43.31 | yigal | FireFly: yay, got it |
| 00:44.00 | yigal | FireFly: did it right, and magically it worked |
| 00:44.07 | FireFly | Awesome :) |
| 00:46.40 | ssvb | n82 |
| 00:47.21 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: after looking little bit deeper into librtcomsomething |
| 00:47.58 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it looks like there is nothing special really with these codes |
| 00:48.49 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and unless there is something with cellmo that has been changed (they would use different firmware in different phones?) then i don't understand why it was disabled |
| 00:49.24 | MohammadAG | someone pressed ctrl d in gedit while editing the default config |
| 00:49.29 | MohammadAG | so the line was removed :P |
| 00:49.48 | jacekowski | but i found another interesting option |
| 00:49.52 | jacekowski | modifying rotation |
| 00:50.02 | jacekowski | i had no time to try it yet |
| 00:50.27 | MohammadAG | speaking of rotation |
| 00:50.38 | MohammadAG | why do some apps handle rotation properly, while others don't |
| 00:50.51 | jacekowski | some are hardcoded for specific resolution |
| 00:50.59 | MohammadAG | web for example, it doesn't go into landscape when the phone is flipped -90 after going into portrait |
| 00:51.10 | jacekowski | or violate Xprotocol |
| 00:51.13 | MohammadAG | the CTRL+Shift+R thingy goes into landscape |
| 00:51.23 | MohammadAG | both should use the same flag |
| 00:52.11 | jacekowski | well, for phone to rotate you need data from accelerometer, xrandr xrandrproto |
| 00:52.21 | jacekowski | and something that would join it all |
| 00:52.32 | MohammadAG | hildon-desktop and mce |
| 00:52.47 | jacekowski | then if you take a look |
| 00:53.04 | jacekowski | just let me find it |
| 00:53.37 | jacekowski | hmm, i can't now |
| 00:54.02 | jacekowski | but using one of hildon functions you have to notify it that app support rotation |
| 00:55.22 | jacekowski | hildon_gtk_window_set_portrait_flags |
| 00:55.25 | MohammadAG | yes I know, but when using that and putting the phone on a flat surface, it goes back into landscape |
| 00:55.39 | MohammadAG | yet with the browser, it doesn't |
| 00:55.47 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 00:55.54 | jacekowski | something if broken then |
| 00:56.02 | jacekowski | i don't do landscape anyways |
| 00:56.18 | MohammadAG | and hildon-desktop doesn't seem to handle stacked windows properly |
| 00:56.20 | jacekowski | only app that rotates on my phone is phone app |
| 00:56.23 | jacekowski | and it's annoying |
| 00:56.55 | MohammadAG | sometimes it flips back into landscape, but HD thinks it's in portrait mode (Status menu inaccessible, X and dashboard buttons thinner) |
| 00:57.25 | jacekowski | that's because hildon SM is getting fubar |
| 00:57.31 | MohammadAG | SM? |
| 00:57.35 | jacekowski | state machine |
| 00:58.05 | jacekowski | you would have to rotate it back manualy using xrandr |
| 00:58.20 | MohammadAG | worse is when you can't reproduce it |
| 00:58.25 | MohammadAG | -> can't file a bug |
| 00:58.30 | jacekowski | i think i can |
| 00:58.51 | jacekowski | just rotate and then kill app that rotated it |
| 00:58.55 | jacekowski | kill -9 |
| 00:59.26 | MohammadAG | meh |
| 00:59.29 | MohammadAG | hd doesn't rotate |
| 01:00.28 | ppman_ | anyone use maemo mapper with google maps? |
| 01:00.43 | ppman | it's failing to download the maps for me |
| 01:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: seems they had missed to implement SC in their cellmo firmware. That's why PR1.2 came with new one |
| 01:01.31 | DocScrutinizer | meh, just tsarted my first tmo thread |
| 01:01.47 | jacekowski | well, why would they use different firmwares for different phones? |
| 01:02.09 | cehteh | ppman: google sometimes puts limitations on rough apps, its all just a hack |
| 01:03.31 | asj | plus wouldn't maemo mapper violate google maps tos? |
| 01:04.17 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: dunno |
| 01:04.32 | jacekowski | hmmm, that's strange |
| 01:04.51 | jacekowski | because i think i saw asic version detection in latest CMT firmware |
| 01:05.00 | jacekowski | or in something i was reversing recently |
| 01:05.18 | DocScrutinizer | well, they use even different firmware in same phone :-P |
| 01:06.06 | DocScrutinizer | as we all know cellmo1.2 doesn't work with fremantle1.1.1 |
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| 01:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | that's the reason why it's been a itsy bitsy nasty to downgrade from leaked 1.2 back to 1.1.1 |
| 01:07.13 | luke-jr | hmmm |
| 01:07.19 | DocScrutinizer | where downgrade == flash here |
| 01:07.27 | luke-jr | can PR1.2 work with an open oFono stack? |
| 01:07.47 | jacekowski | would be fun to disassemble cellmo firmware |
| 01:07.52 | DocScrutinizer | can openofono stack work with cellmo1.2? |
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| 01:07.56 | jacekowski | but without full spec it's not going to happen |
| 01:08.13 | jacekowski | too many gaps to fill |
| 01:08.15 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: last I heard |
| 01:08.42 | luke-jr | jacekowski: would be interesting to get phone firmware that supports CDMA ;) |
| 01:09.01 | jacekowski | luke-jr: FEM can't do CDMA |
| 01:09.03 | DocScrutinizer | fuggetit |
| 01:09.11 | luke-jr | FEM? |
| 01:09.12 | MohammadAG | is there smoething like for x in y except z do foo bar? |
| 01:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | different chipset |
| 01:09.27 | jacekowski | luke-jr: Front End Module |
| 01:09.31 | luke-jr | why not? |
| 01:09.34 | luke-jr | same frequencies :P |
| 01:09.42 | MohammadAG | feck it, I'll tar and remove all locales |
| 01:09.48 | DocScrutinizer | this is no SDR |
| 01:09.57 | jacekowski | cdma is wideband |
| 01:10.02 | jacekowski | and cdma is shit |
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| 01:10.26 | peb__ | is gone. Gone since Thu Jul 15 08:27:00 2010 |
| 01:10.44 | jacekowski | cdma should die |
| 01:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | alas 3G = wcdma |
| 01:10.55 | jacekowski | it's bad by design for users |
| 01:11.09 | luke-jr | jacekowski: CDMA is pretty much all I have here |
| 01:11.15 | jacekowski | as it allows easy overprovisioning |
| 01:11.25 | luke-jr | nothing wrong with that |
| 01:11.34 | jacekowski | well, dropped calls? |
| 01:11.35 | luke-jr | overselling is necessary these days |
| 01:11.43 | jacekowski | quality going down the drain? |
| 01:11.50 | luke-jr | you can't compete without overselling |
| 01:12.00 | jacekowski | with gsm you have minimum quality level |
| 01:12.01 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 01:12.06 | jacekowski | luke-jr: you can |
| 01:12.33 | luke-jr | jacekowski: oh really? |
| 01:12.38 | jacekowski | yes |
| 01:12.47 | luke-jr | non-overselling is T1s-- hundreds, if not more, for a few mbit |
| 01:12.57 | luke-jr | overselling is DSL/Cable -- $40/mo for 12 mbit |
| 01:13.19 | luke-jr | entirely different markets |
| 01:13.25 | jacekowski | besides, i'm not talking about that sort of overselling |
| 01:13.32 | luke-jr | the average person being on oversold service |
| 01:13.39 | jacekowski | but you know that in area you have 100% utilisation |
| 01:13.49 | jacekowski | and you sell service to more users |
| 01:13.56 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 01:13.57 | jacekowski | by degrading quality for everybody |
| 01:14.00 | luke-jr | i c |
| 01:14.00 | MohammadAG | is moving /root a bad idea? :P |
| 01:14.06 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: probably not |
| 01:14.07 | jacekowski | that's something you can't to with gsm |
| 01:14.13 | jacekowski | but you can do easily with cdma |
| 01:14.31 | luke-jr | jacekowski: so GSM doesn't force constant bandwidth per customer, even if unused? ;) |
| 01:14.49 | luke-jr | k |
| 01:14.52 | jacekowski | luke-jr: no |
| 01:14.53 | luke-jr | I think I get it |
| 01:14.58 | jacekowski | luke-jr: you have timeslots |
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| 01:15.13 | jacekowski | luke-jr: and every call has 1 timeslot |
| 01:15.21 | luke-jr | in any case, degraded-under-high-use service is better than degraded-constantly service |
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| 01:15.40 | asj | all services are oversold, that's how telcos work... |
| 01:16.00 | jacekowski | luke-jr: and if transmitter has all frequencies used all the time |
| 01:16.07 | jacekowski | luke-jr: with all timeslots used all the time |
| 01:16.19 | jacekowski | luke-jr: then they have hard number that you can't go above |
| 01:16.29 | jacekowski | luke-jr: with cdma it's all - fuzzy |
| 01:18.05 | jacekowski | and CDMA is a lot more complicated |
| 01:20.37 | jacekowski | basicaly, if you need reliable and maybe slow service |
| 01:20.42 | jacekowski | i would go for gsm |
| 01:20.48 | jacekowski | cdma is less reliable |
| 01:20.51 | jacekowski | but it can be faster |
| 01:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | a friend of mine always used HSCSD instead of GPRS each time he needed to reboot a server in the farm |
| 01:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | lower latency he claimed, GPRS gave him lags of up to 1s |
| 01:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | unbearable with ssh |
| 01:23.17 | jacekowski | it's not technology |
| 01:23.22 | DocScrutinizer | now I thenk he's on 3G |
| 01:23.49 | jacekowski | i had RTT of under 0.3s on gprs |
| 01:24.04 | jacekowski | little bit better with edge |
| 01:24.44 | jacekowski | how's your jig project going? |
| 01:27.31 | jacekowski | and btw. i think rs232 port on my n900 is gone |
| 01:29.59 | jacekowski | i'm just looking at it |
| 01:30.04 | jacekowski | and N900 FEM can take CDMA |
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| 01:31.57 | jacekowski | just question if RF chip can take it |
| 01:32.28 | SpeedEvil | Saying the front-end can take CDMA is pretty much like saying your cars fuel tank can take yak urine. |
| 01:32.42 | SpeedEvil | It's technically true - but the rest of the system can't cope. |
| 01:32.51 | jacekowski | well, |
| 01:33.01 | jacekowski | RF chip would probably do it as well |
| 01:33.19 | jacekowski | so it's just a question how programmable rapuyama is |
| 01:33.23 | SpeedEvil | At the moment an enormous amount of stuff on RF chips is done by hardcoded modules. |
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| 01:33.30 | SpeedEvil | This is _NOT_ SDR |
| 01:33.38 | GAN900 | Ubuntu idiota |
| 01:33.58 | jacekowski | ? |
| 01:34.02 | GAN900 | St. Petersburg, FL is not a substation of Tampa, FL. |
| 01:34.51 | jacekowski | saint petersburg isn't that in russia? |
| 01:34.57 | b-man | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.02 | asj | jacekowski: it's a suburb of tampa ;) |
| 01:35.30 | jacekowski | i'm pretty much sure that's city in russia |
| 01:35.35 | jacekowski | it used to be called leningrad |
| 01:35.36 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Only the very highest levels of modulation are software controllable. The packet forming, and the bit framing, and maybe some ECC. |
| 01:35.52 | GAN900 | There are about 6 in the US. |
| 01:36.07 | jacekowski | it used to be capital of russian empire |
| 01:36.24 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: All of the rest is done pretty much in blocks that cannot be reconfigured easily. This is as a less flexible block that just does what it's required to uses maye a percent or less of the power a more general solution might. |
| 01:36.40 | b-man | Toledo, ohio, Toledo, spain |
| 01:36.47 | DocScrutinizer | (yak urine) ROTFL |
| 01:36.59 | jacekowski | that just shows how much USA tries to be like europe |
| 01:37.06 | b-man | xD |
| 01:37.10 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: I wouldn't be surprised if a SDR CDMA 3G modem used 500W. |
| 01:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-19 03:09:48] <DocScrutinizer> this is no SDR |
| 01:37.49 | GAN900 | jacekowski, it mostly shows that a lot of immigrants named places in the US. :) |
| 01:38.01 | jacekowski | well, york |
| 01:38.19 | jacekowski | there would be no US if not colonists from EU |
| 01:38.27 | GAN900 | Well, there would be |
| 01:38.35 | SpeedEvil | No, there wouldn't. |
| 01:38.36 | GAN900 | It just wouldn't be the US. |
| 01:38.40 | SpeedEvil | It wouldn't be the US. |
| 01:38.41 | b-man | lol |
| 01:38.58 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: there are loads of code that rapuyama runs |
| 01:39.01 | SpeedEvil | Also. |
| 01:39.07 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: it's 5M binary blob |
| 01:39.12 | SpeedEvil | There were no colonists from the EU to US. |
| 01:39.18 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: it's doing a lot in software |
| 01:39.19 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: yes - and that's quite irrelevant. |
| 01:39.30 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: This is all the highest protocol levels. |
| 01:39.55 | Macer | there were quite a few cultures in the US when the european white man came here and murdered all of them :) |
| 01:40.11 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: To put it in a media player framework - it's doing the mpeg decoding in software - but all of the low-level reading from the media is in hardware. |
| 01:41.12 | jacekowski | well, you don't know that |
| 01:41.15 | jacekowski | neither do it |
| 01:41.17 | jacekowski | do i* |
| 01:41.30 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: You can implement - typically - radio protocols that have the exact same modulation, are on the same frequency bands (or ones that can be tuned to closeby). |
| 01:41.30 | jacekowski | well, at least not yet |
| 01:41.54 | jacekowski | so let's stop all speculcations at least untill we know something |
| 01:41.58 | DocScrutinizer | but I know, for calypso, and I'm pretty sure it's roundabout identical figure for rapuyama |
| 01:42.07 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Basically, I do. At the moment - generic SDR uses _way_ more power than doing it the normal way. |
| 01:42.26 | jacekowski | well, n900 uses a lot power |
| 01:42.32 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: It does not. |
| 01:43.06 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: A FPGA based 3G stack from the lowest levels up would take perhaps 100W or so. |
| 01:43.15 | jacekowski | maybe nokia found a way around that |
| 01:43.28 | jacekowski | and that's one of their secrets they don't want to say |
| 01:43.30 | jacekowski | share* |
| 01:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | and we're running with some 25mW on standby here |
| 01:44.01 | DocScrutinizer | hahaha |
| 01:44.19 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: If nokia had found a way round that problem - they would coincidentally have invented a reconfigurable hardware platform that would blow nvidia, intel, AMD out of the water. |
| 01:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | nokia, the big inventor of braking edge new chip technology |
| 01:44.32 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: As they would have several hundred times the performance natively. |
| 01:44.32 | jacekowski | i'm just saying that unless we get official response from nokia or i or somebody else will reverse rapuyama firmware |
| 01:44.53 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: well, GAL |
| 01:44.54 | SpeedEvil | Nokia would shortly basically own computing. |
| 01:45.22 | SpeedEvil | GAL/FPGA are many times less efficient than custom chips that perform the same function. |
| 01:45.36 | jacekowski | thing is that for that sort of processing you could use a lot of specialised blocks |
| 01:45.44 | jacekowski | reconfigurable specialised blocks |
| 01:45.47 | jacekowski | with firmware glue |
| 01:46.36 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you can not reconfigure e.g a highly optimized ring modulator into a correlator |
| 01:47.07 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: you're underestimating the scope of the problem. Or the scope of a solution to it. |
| 01:47.45 | jacekowski | you're overestimating |
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| 01:47.58 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
| 01:48.31 | jacekowski | i will make n900 run on yak urine |
| 01:48.35 | jacekowski | just for sake of doing that |
| 01:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | trowns 120Mb of calypso docs at jacekowski |
| 01:48.49 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: you know my mail |
| 01:48.52 | DocScrutinizer | throws even |
| 01:48.57 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i'm happy to read them |
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| 01:49.10 | TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer: please dont yawn :P |
| 01:49.12 | DocScrutinizer | no, you are not - believe me |
| 01:49.20 | jacekowski | let me decide |
| 01:49.40 | SpeedEvil | I will pay jacekowski $10 for a working GSM stack based on the calypso docs. |
| 01:49.56 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:50.02 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 01:50.39 | jacekowski | i've built more complicated protocols from nothing |
| 01:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | ROTFLMAO |
| 01:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | like what? GPS? |
| 01:51.22 | jacekowski | well, i had an physical interface |
| 01:51.31 | GAN900 | Christ filing bugs for Ubuntu couldn't possibly be more difficult. |
| 01:51.34 | jacekowski | so i could see what's happening on the line |
| 01:51.46 | jacekowski | anyways |
| 01:51.46 | mortini_ | GAN900: WONTFIX |
| 01:51.48 | jacekowski | time to sleep |
| 01:51.51 | SpeedEvil | What's further important to note: The protocol stack is very deep. If you look at the GPRS related output on an ip.access nanoBTS while your mobile phone makes a HTTP request, the stack is something like HTTP-TCP-IP-PPP-SNDCP-LLC-BSSGP-NS-UDP-IP-Ethernet, |
| 01:51.52 | GAN900 | "Yes there's a way to actually use the web interface, no we wont tell you." |
| 01:51.52 | jacekowski | GAN900: WORKS FOR ME |
| 01:52.01 | asj | GAN900: what's the bug exactly? |
| 01:52.02 | SpeedEvil | http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/10/27/#20091027-implementing_gprs - quoting |
| 01:52.08 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: filing bugs for buntkuh is nonsense. Buntkuh *is* the bug |
| 01:52.26 | asj | GAN900: is this the St Petersburb isn't related to Tampa somehow? |
| 01:52.32 | GAN900 | asj, it lists St. Petersburg, FL as a weather substation for Tampa, FL. |
| 01:52.36 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: you forgot to add vpn over dns tunnel |
| 01:52.38 | GAN900 | Which is clearly not the case. |
| 01:52.54 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, probably, but at least it wont be my problem anymore. |
| 01:52.57 | jacekowski | time to sleep |
| 01:53.18 | asj | GAN900: are you sure it's not? presumably the data come straight from the NWS, which may list it as such |
| 01:53.39 | GAN900 | asj, I live here. |
| 01:53.46 | GAN900 | asj, nobody else lists it like that. |
| 01:53.49 | asj | GAN900: and? :) |
| 01:53.54 | GAN900 | This is a bug in Ubuntu's data. |
| 01:53.58 | GAN900 | asj, and don't troll. |
| 01:54.23 | asj | GAN900: lol, id10t error eh? |
| 01:54.25 | GAN900 | asj, some how every other weather provider gets it right. |
| 01:54.47 | GAN900 | asj, first warning. Not in the mood. :) |
| 01:55.18 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles "doppler in car is an issue for 3G protocol" |
| 01:56.14 | asj | GAN900: <shrug> yes master, you know all, how dare I suggest they get the data from someone else in a generic way |
| 01:56.44 | GAN900 | asj, whether they do or not, Ubuntu's users see it as a bug in their system |
| 01:57.17 | GAN900 | I imagine most services get the data from the same place, yet Ubuntu is the only one that shows this bug. |
| 01:57.19 | TermanaN900 | asj, how dare you even think it. thought police incoming. :P kidding |
| 01:59.31 | DocScrutinizer | dissolves in a yellow cloud of sulfur *swoooosh* |
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| 02:02.00 | tuliobaars | Hello people |
| 02:02.13 | tuliobaars | anyone interessed in MaemoTurbo: |
| 02:02.16 | tuliobaars | ? |
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| 02:03.04 | rookie2010 | anyone knows how i can install in other file directory using apt-get or application manager from n810 |
| 02:03.26 | tuliobaars | App Manager > Install from file |
| 02:03.33 | TermanaN900 | what is it and how do i track down who made it before trying it? (maemoturbo) |
| 02:04.02 | tuliobaars | Oh, Termana. See some details here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58716 |
| 02:04.52 | rookie2010 | but how i can install it in other folder in mmc an not in the main folder |
| 02:06.26 | tuliobaars | just browse for MMC |
| 02:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | notices "Diablo" (which makes him more relaxed) and even no word about OC, and moves away with his yellow cloud |
| 02:06.48 | tuliobaars | This is DiabloTurbo: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/diabloturbo/ |
| 02:07.10 | tuliobaars | Burps! |
| 02:07.21 | rookie2010 | for example when you want to install a file using dpgk -i file.deb --root=/mmc/opt/ |
| 02:07.59 | tuliobaars | just browse in App Manager > Install from file |
| 02:08.07 | tuliobaars | so find your target folder |
| 02:08.12 | tuliobaars | and double-click |
| 02:08.18 | rookie2010 | but how i can install it in other folder |
| 02:08.45 | tuliobaars | ooh, no i got your point |
| 02:08.45 | rookie2010 | for example i saw a game which use 40 MB in main memory but i want to install it in memory card |
| 02:08.56 | tuliobaars | wich? |
| 02:09.34 | tuliobaars | wich one? |
| 02:09.42 | rookie2010 | quake |
| 02:09.46 | TermanaN900 | tuliobaars, sounds like a good idea. got a link to the n810 tuning thread? |
| 02:10.00 | tuliobaars | yeah, based in Tuning thread! |
| 02:10.06 | tuliobaars | the DiabloTurbo! |
| 02:10.50 | tuliobaars | rookie2010, try to clone your OS to SD card |
| 02:11.00 | TermanaN900 | tuliobaars, yeah but do you have a link to that thread, havent seen it |
| 02:11.32 | tuliobaars | so i have to put a link to this thread in my topic? |
| 02:11.54 | tuliobaars | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=17666 |
| 02:12.00 | TermanaN900 | tuliobaars, no. i just wanted you to give me the link here :P |
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| 02:12.37 | TermanaN900 | but it might be a good idea to put a link in your OP so people can have a look |
| 02:12.57 | tuliobaars | sure |
| 02:13.27 | luke-jr | ... why does a phone call use 50% CPU? -.- |
| 02:13.28 | tuliobaars | sorry, but what's OP? |
| 02:13.56 | tuliobaars | 'cause it is a magical thing...you'll understand some day... |
| 02:15.42 | TermanaN900 | tuliobaars, opening post, the first post in your thread |
| 02:18.28 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: because pusaudio has to move all of the audi from one end of the phone to the other in under 5ms |
| 02:18.32 | SpeedEvil | audio |
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| 02:23.34 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: as if CPU time has anything to do with latency |
| 02:24.01 | SpeedEvil | It's pulseaudio. |
| 02:25.01 | luke-jr | = crap -.- |
| 02:28.47 | MohammadAG | Night |
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| 02:31.52 | TermanaN900 | hmm i didn't think that would work |
| 02:32.24 | tuliobaars | what? |
| 02:32.44 | TermanaN900 | switched to 2G using the applet and stayed connected to IRC. I thought it cut off the data connection |
| 02:33.42 | SpeedEvil | Depends on your provider |
| 02:33.46 | SpeedEvil | sometimes the IP changes |
| 02:34.09 | Crash210 | Can I try Maemo on VirtualBox? |
| 02:35.12 | luke-jr | ... |
| 02:35.30 | SpeedEvil | No Crash210. |
| 02:35.40 | SpeedEvil | Actually |
| 02:35.42 | SpeedEvil | I dunno |
| 02:35.53 | SpeedEvil | are tehre x86 workalikes? |
| 02:35.57 | SpeedEvil | of the nokia bits? |
| 02:36.14 | tuliobaars | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58716 |
| 02:36.32 | Crash210 | I was split between the n900 and Droid. Ended up getting the Droid. Want to see what I'm missing. Maybe dual-booting on the Droid? |
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| 02:39.40 | arachnist | Crash210: also impossible. too much of the hardware differs |
| 02:40.14 | Crash210 | Android seems to have better support overall. |
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| 03:02.09 | luke-jr | Crash210: Android is a phone platform |
| 03:02.14 | luke-jr | Crash210: Maemo is a tablet platform |
| 03:02.20 | luke-jr | you're comparing apples and oranges |
| 03:02.33 | luke-jr | in theory, Maemo doesn't *need* support |
| 03:02.40 | luke-jr | Maemo can run any random app |
| 03:02.41 | Crash210 | No, you're comparing advertising buzzwords. |
| 03:02.56 | luke-jr | Android only runs Android apps; Maemo runs any apps |
| 03:03.09 | luke-jr | Crash210: there's real meaning behind these "buzzwords" |
| 03:03.31 | luke-jr | Crash210: 75% of Maemo devices don't even support phone calls |
| 03:03.47 | Crash210 | How many maemo devices are there? |
| 03:03.58 | luke-jr | 4 |
| 03:04.04 | luke-jr | :) |
| 03:04.21 | pigeon | well, we have like 5 devices here running android, only one of them is a phone ;) |
| 03:04.36 | luke-jr | pigeon: crazy |
| 03:04.46 | cehteh | .. who uses his n900 regulary as phone? |
| 03:04.48 | luke-jr | but Android was actually designed to be a phone platform |
| 03:04.54 | pigeon | phone is just one of the apps really. |
| 03:05.12 | TermanaN900 | luke-jr, i think your going to confuse him including past generation devices that dont run maemo 5 |
| 03:05.14 | TermanaN900 | :P |
| 03:05.33 | luke-jr | TermanaN900: good. |
| 03:06.17 | TermanaN900 | Also let us not forget the chinese tablets that have their own weird hacked version of maemo 4 |
| 03:06.35 | luke-jr | TermanaN900: that's like calling Mer "Maemo" |
| 03:07.21 | TermanaN900 | luke-jr, maybe, but why not just add to the confusion? :P |
| 03:07.56 | Crash210 | Both platforms are capable of functioning as whatever they want. |
| 03:07.59 | Macer | omg |
| 03:08.11 | Macer | i just saw a pic of the girl from top gun and made with heaven.. kelly mcgillis |
| 03:08.15 | Macer | EEEEK |
| 03:08.22 | Macer | i used to fantasize about her :) |
| 03:08.24 | Crash210 | Android can be installed on lots of things, can Meego? |
| 03:08.36 | Macer | Crash210: that's the rumor |
| 03:08.47 | Macer | meego is supposed to be cross platformed |
| 03:08.58 | Macer | but that would all depend on how good the company supports its hardware |
| 03:09.07 | Macer | and how open the hardware is |
| 03:09.07 | Crash210 | Well, I'd like to run it on Virtualbox, on my netbook and maybe on my phone. |
| 03:09.11 | TermanaN900 | Crash210, yes it can. like i said to you in the other channel, if you put some effort ifn you can run it on your droid |
| 03:09.12 | Crash210 | Like I have Android. |
| 03:09.21 | luke-jr | Crash210: MeeGo is a better Android |
| 03:09.26 | TermanaN900 | s/ifn/in |
| 03:09.37 | luke-jr | Crash210: Android requires non-Linux kernel features, and can't run normal X11 apps |
| 03:09.41 | Macer | luke-jr: not yet it isn't ;) |
| 03:10.01 | luke-jr | MeeGo can almost certainly run on VirtualBox |
| 03:10.10 | luke-jr | but you asked about Maemo ;) |
| 03:10.12 | Crash210 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.50 | Macer | meego is just a portable linux distro .. well.. not positive about that but if it is as close to maemo as they say it will be then it should be |
| 03:10.51 | luke-jr | well, qemu at least |
| 03:10.54 | Macer | :) |
| 03:10.57 | luke-jr | VirtualBox is just a lame qemu repackaging |
| 03:11.12 | Macer | luke-jr: :-P i like virtualbox |
| 03:11.24 | Macer | i use it on my opensolaris box .. works great |
| 03:11.32 | Macer | then again. opensolaris has zfs ftw |
| 03:11.37 | Macer | :) |
| 03:12.01 | TermanaN900 | Macer, opensolaris... |
| 03:12.11 | TermanaN900 | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 03:12.13 | Crash210 | I haven't used vritual machines since I tried running windows on a powerPC imac. It was slow as balls. When I tried virtual box it was amazing. |
| 03:12.18 | TermanaN900 | :P |
| 03:12.37 | luke-jr | Crash210: VirtualBox is a virtual machine |
| 03:12.57 | Crash210 | That's what I said. |
| 03:13.22 | luke-jr | didn't sound like it |
| 03:13.34 | luke-jr | maybe you meant "hadn't" |
| 03:14.09 | Crash210 | I hadn't used? |
| 03:14.17 | luke-jr | anyhow, x86 on PPC is complete emulation |
| 03:14.24 | TermanaN900 | luke-jr, i think so. hes mixed two tenses |
| 03:14.25 | luke-jr | of course it's going to be slower than virtualization |
| 03:14.56 | luke-jr | Crash210: also, don't forget that MeeGo is currently still in development |
| 03:15.02 | luke-jr | that is, there's no actual working product yet |
| 03:16.55 | Crash210 | Exactly. |
| 03:17.39 | Crash210 | I was slow as balls trying to run Windows 98. The contrast now being able to run a whole operating system in a window on your desktop was amazing to me at first. |
| 03:18.43 | LiraNuna | ugh, curse the absence of vblank from the PVR drivers! |
| 03:19.49 | pigeon | heh |
| 03:20.10 | pigeon | is that meant to be fixed in the "next" version of "something"? |
| 03:20.20 | Macer | TermanaN900: heh |
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| 03:21.01 | Macer | TermanaN900: opensolaris is the greatest .. well. for a fileserver at least ;) |
| 03:21.13 | Macer | and a virtualization server too i suppose |
| 03:21.21 | Macer | but just because it makes for an awesome fileserver heh |
| 03:23.07 | LiraNuna | pigeon, I think they mean "next" as in "maemo-harmattan" |
| 03:23.45 | pigeon | yeah, that name rings a bell, though i actually don't know what exactly that is... |
| 03:24.44 | Macer | i don't think virtualization is bad at all anymore |
| 03:24.56 | Macer | especially for unix style OSes |
| 03:24.58 | LiraNuna | pigeon, it's meego, but not meego |
| 03:25.04 | Macer | fbsd runs like a champ :) |
| 03:27.35 | luke-jr | containers > virtualization |
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| 03:27.49 | opdf2 | is there a difference between xterm reboot and physical Off/On? |
| 03:29.54 | mortini | Probably. |
| 03:29.55 | LiraNuna | god damn screen tearing |
| 03:30.24 | LiraNuna | in MY app! |
| 03:30.38 | mortini | gasps! |
| 03:30.43 | mortini | the horror! |
| 03:30.58 | LiraNuna | :( |
| 03:31.37 | pigeon | that's why it's called tearing... when it tears, you get tears... |
| 03:31.39 | TermanaN900 | opdf2, shouldn't |
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| 03:38.45 | redeeman | hello |
| 03:39.00 | redeeman | something strange is going on with my n900, it gets hot all the time now, and uses battery in about 6 hours |
| 03:39.22 | redeeman | i've tried disabling wifi and stuff |
| 03:39.31 | redeeman | but it makes no sense given its the same AP as has been for ages |
| 03:39.42 | pigeon | "there's something strange... with the n900... we will call..." |
| 03:40.38 | ham5 | loadavg high all the time redeeman, checked out what processes are taking up the most time? |
| 03:40.44 | pigeon | have you tried top/htop or powertop? |
| 03:41.14 | redeeman | not powertop, but top shows nothing consuming cpu |
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| 03:48.18 | SpeedEvil | redeeman: have you got anything that polls - 3g or whatever? |
| 03:48.30 | redeeman | well i am not on any connection |
| 03:48.36 | redeeman | and well.. configuration has not changed in more than a month |
| 03:48.37 | Ulfalizer | git hangs at "Initialized empty Git repository in ..." when i try to check out https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=877 via anonymous access. any ideas? |
| 03:49.07 | Ulfalizer | when i run 'git clone https://vcs.maemo.org/git/qemu' that is |
| 03:49.07 | redeeman | what i do however realize has happened is that i lost connection to the AP while i was on SIP |
| 03:49.11 | redeeman | but i turned off sip again now |
| 03:49.13 | redeeman | well yesterday |
| 03:49.22 | SpeedEvil | redeeman: I would try putting it in offline mode, and seeing if it happens |
| 03:49.32 | SpeedEvil | also |
| 03:49.53 | redeeman | i also tried turning on/off multiple times, i just now tried pulling battery |
| 03:49.55 | redeeman | we will see then |
| 03:49.56 | Ulfalizer | i've tried setting GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY and filling out .netrc as suggested |
| 03:49.57 | SpeedEvil | might your wifi environment changed? |
| 03:50.10 | redeeman | SpeedEvil, nope, im 100% certain nothing of that changed |
| 03:50.16 | redeeman | but it is a really shitty AP with bad connection |
| 03:50.33 | redeeman | but its been like that for nearly 2 months |
| 03:51.20 | SpeedEvil | redeeman: O mean - for example - if your neigbour gpt wiwifi, and is just now interfering with you |
| 03:51.29 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 03:51.39 | SpeedEvil | does it do it when it's in offline mode? |
| 03:51.40 | redeeman | my neighbor does not |
| 03:51.43 | redeeman | im in the phillipines |
| 03:51.44 | SpeedEvil | powertop is a good idea |
| 03:51.45 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 03:51.51 | redeeman | yeah will check offline mode next |
| 03:51.56 | SpeedEvil | I thin powertop is now in repo |
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| 03:53.42 | LiraNuna | powertop on N900? SWEET |
| 03:55.20 | cehteh | mhm there is cups for the n900 .. but i wonder how much sense that makes since most apps are not printing aware |
| 03:55.56 | cehteh | possibly just eats ram .. better ssh to some other machine for printing.. |
| 03:56.13 | cehteh | (loud thinking) |
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| 04:19.27 | SpeedEvil | Powertop is not the intel one - it's for n900 |
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| 04:27.17 | opdf2 | I was adding a reboot button to power menu and I read a warning about >50 boot counts |
| 04:29.29 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: N900 one isn't derived? |
| 04:30.13 | opdf2 | hmm maybe that was fixed in 1.1 |
| 04:31.13 | yigal | powertop is for everyone |
| 04:31.50 | yigal | and my Ubuntu/Archlinux/Windows 7 laptop |
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| 04:37.23 | yigal | man I love my n900, using as bt dun using it to listen to pyradio client Pithos on my laptop, such an awesome creation pianobar, just perfect |
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| 04:44.51 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: It looks like a cleansheet to me |
| 04:45.08 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: It shares pretty much nothing in principle. |
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| 06:33.56 | pronto | irssi for the n900 does not have perl |
| 06:33.58 | pronto | D: |
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| 06:40.12 | pigeon | really? |
| 06:40.36 | pigeon | weird that the package has all the perl scripts with it then... |
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| 06:44.37 | pronto | O_o |
| 06:44.39 | pronto | really? |
| 06:44.49 | pronto | pigeon: it looks like i didn thave perl installed |
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| 06:53.18 | pigeon | hmm, well, i have perl installed, but no /script in irssi |
| 06:53.44 | pigeon | feels like it hasn't got perl support built |
| 06:54.13 | pigeon | it doesn't depend on perl/libperl, so yeah. |
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| 06:56.00 | pigeon | probably intentional |
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| 06:58.58 | pronto | x.x that's annoying |
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| 07:01.45 | luke-jr | can you say BLOAT? |
| 07:01.51 | luke-jr | IRC clients have no business with Perl scripting |
| 07:02.48 | pronto | umm? |
| 07:02.59 | pronto | irssi uses perl |
| 07:03.29 | pigeon | yes, but doesn't have to. |
| 07:04.10 | pronto | _all_ the decent scripts for irssi are in perl, and the python docs for irssi scripting are horrible |
| 07:07.52 | K0JIbKA | nokia N 800 OS 2008 - 5.2008.43-7 Power OFF button previously had lost one item in device mode menu. Now It hasn't got line with "offline mode". Is it a bug or a new feature? |
| 07:08.24 | K0JIbKA | I'm not able to go into OFFLINE mode |
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| 07:12.23 | Venemo | K0JIbKA: you may have installed something that messes it up. |
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| 07:13.48 | K0JIbKA | Venemo: Do you mean that any application can change the system view? |
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| 07:17.01 | luke-jr | pronto: my point is that IRC clients should NOT have ANY scripting at all |
| 07:17.06 | luke-jr | pronto: it is bloat |
| 07:17.09 | andre__ | K0JIbKA: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4018 |
| 07:17.35 | pronto | luke-jr: well i disagree with you there |
| 07:17.55 | luke-jr | IRC clients are for chatting |
| 07:18.04 | luke-jr | if you want a program interacting, get a bot |
| 07:18.12 | pronto | my main irssi client i run on my server has many scripts :\ |
| 07:18.26 | pronto | around 15 or so |
| 07:18.36 | K0JIbKA | andre__:Thanks - that is exactly my case |
| 07:18.54 | andre__ | K0JIbKA, but no clear solution / workaround :-/ |
| 07:19.16 | pronto | non of which are bot like |
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| 07:19.41 | K0JIbKA | andre__:reflashing the whole device? |
| 07:19.46 | pigeon | i think the reason for irssi n900 not to be built with perl is... perl is like 20+mb |
| 07:20.24 | andre__ | K0JIbKA, see the bug report. |
| 07:20.30 | pronto | is there a way i can build it myself |
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| 07:54.48 | peb | hi folks, anyone aware of a widget that displays the missed calls better/more prominently than the default "Gespräche"-Widget ("Talks"-Widget (?)). |
| 07:55.11 | peb | I forgot .. on the N900 |
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| 08:07.23 | timeless_mbp | peb: the n900 shows missed calls in the task switcher |
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| 08:07.29 | timeless_mbp | which i consider to be fairly good |
| 08:07.36 | timeless_mbp | in contrast to the way most things work |
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| 08:31.25 | toggles_w | damn, this n900 saves my bacon all the time.. |
| 08:31.34 | lcuk | mmmm bacon |
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| 08:37.44 | parim | hey lcuk: did you get the apple wireless keyboard to work? |
| 08:38.20 | lcuk | no parim :( i couldnt get in the battery comparment |
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| 09:42.20 | kerio | lcuk: wd40 + drill? |
| 09:42.36 | lcuk | no |
| 09:42.43 | lcuk | im not drilling anything |
| 09:43.01 | kerio | boring |
| 09:44.03 | lcuk | X-Fade, ping |
| 09:44.15 | X-Fade | lcuk: pong |
| 09:44.40 | jacekowski | lcuk: what's your problem with that keyboard? |
| 09:44.43 | lcuk | hiya, i guess you already know about the cert on bmo |
| 09:45.18 | lcuk | jacekowski, battery compartment stuck |
| 09:45.25 | jacekowski | get a screwdriver |
| 09:46.02 | kerio | jacekowski: he bent a coin |
| 09:46.09 | kerio | trying to open it |
| 09:46.22 | jacekowski | coint != screwdriver |
| 09:46.36 | jacekowski | s/coint/coin/ |
| 09:46.41 | lcuk | coin + pliars |
| 09:46.45 | jacekowski | coin is made from soft metal |
| 09:47.03 | kerio | jacekowski: yeah but you need a coin-shaped screwdriver |
| 09:47.05 | jacekowski | lcuk: pliers* |
| 09:47.10 | jacekowski | nah |
| 09:47.14 | jacekowski | just big flathead |
| 09:47.39 | jacekowski | and you open it counterclockwise |
| 09:48.27 | lcuk | ok hivemind time |
| 09:48.35 | lcuk | someone was in channel recently |
| 09:48.40 | lcuk | talking about a theming problem |
| 09:48.44 | lcuk | with buttons not looking right |
| 09:48.49 | jacekowski | when? |
| 09:48.50 | jacekowski | roughly |
| 09:48.51 | lcuk | and im trying to think who/what |
| 09:48.55 | lcuk | last week or so |
| 09:48.57 | jacekowski | and i'll grep my logs |
| 09:49.04 | jacekowski | any keywords? |
| 09:49.20 | lcuk | no just saw picture after clicking - i was oing other stuff at the time |
| 09:50.25 | jacekowski | so he pasted a link ? |
| 09:50.32 | lcuk | yes and was discussing it |
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| 09:51.57 | kerio | grep the logs |
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| 09:54.42 | jacekowski | jacekowski.org/log.txt |
| 09:56.47 | lcuk | found it :) |
| 09:57.06 | lcuk | thanks i got from marius' logs http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-07-15.log.html#t2010-07-15T16:57:52 |
| 09:58.05 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:58.55 | lcuk | \o jaffa |
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| 10:05.08 | jacekowski | jaffa krik |
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| 10:15.41 | toggles_w | * SpeedEvil stabs n900power in the genitals.04:48 |
| 10:15.43 | toggles_w | * SpeedEvil has difficulties, and gets out an electron microscope.04:49 |
| 10:15.56 | toggles_w | lol, that's what you get for trolling I guess ;-) |
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| 10:16.34 | kerio | i should remap more keys to have all the parentheses |
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| 10:20.32 | kerio | do you guys remap your keys? |
| 10:20.54 | lcuk | lol Jaffa you say also it uses the paper to do its detection! :p misconceptions rule |
| 10:21.01 | lcuk | its not using the paper at all :D |
| 10:21.27 | MiXu- | kerio: nope |
| 10:22.12 | Venemo | kerio: yes, that's how I can type all of the characters in my native language |
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| 10:27.02 | noobmonk3y | prods MohammadAG51 then goes back to work |
| 10:27.21 | noobmonk3y | slaps frals around a bit with a slimey trout |
| 10:27.26 | frals | oi |
| 10:27.33 | noobmonk3y | lol :P |
| 10:27.45 | noobmonk3y | Morrrrrnin (or probably afternoon over there) |
| 10:27.46 | lcuk | throws frals onto MohammadAG51 who bounces off and bodyslams noobmonk3y |
| 10:27.52 | noobmonk3y | giggles |
| 10:27.57 | noobmonk3y | mornin lcuk |
| 10:28.12 | lcuk | heya noobster |
| 10:28.30 | frals | afternoon here aye |
| 10:28.39 | frals | been up since 0400 swedish time today |
| 10:28.42 | noobmonk3y | frals: you only work mornings now? ;) |
| 10:28.50 | frals | this passing time zones is very confusing |
| 10:28.51 | noobmonk3y | frals: why, why on earth would you do that! |
| 10:29.02 | frals | took the morning flight back to helsinki |
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| 10:29.05 | noobmonk3y | ahhhhhhhh |
| 10:29.37 | kerio | frals: "0400 swedish time" isn't conform to the ISO |
| 10:29.41 | noobmonk3y | i need to get a job like lcuk, working from home sounds a lot better |
| 10:29.53 | frals | hehe |
| 10:30.04 | noobmonk3y | (ie i have no kids - so less distractions, and work feels like a school playground at times) |
| 10:30.04 | lcuk | i need to get a job like noobmonk3y, working from hospital sounds a lot better |
| 10:30.33 | noobmonk3y | lcuk: lol!!! - off to the secure unit this afternoon - some genius workman decided to leave a chainsaw loose on the grounds!! |
| 10:30.39 | lcuk | i have jake and luke (less so), and for the next 7 weeks its tough |
| 10:31.12 | lcuk | is reading about overlay filesystems |
| 10:31.26 | noobmonk3y | Not so much a problwem for the secure unit - ie, it is seure... but for the low building next door that allows patients to walk round the grouns, chainsaws is not a great idea! |
| 10:31.49 | lcuk | at least the doctors will be kept busy |
| 10:32.01 | lcuk | imagine all the practice! |
| 10:32.06 | noobmonk3y | haha - wrong type of doctors, they play with your mind here, not your limbs ;) |
| 10:32.13 | noobmonk3y | or lack off as it may be |
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| 10:35.47 | alterego | In thinking about Apple's really cool engineering advanced antenna design .. Do you think they'll continue using it in their next device? ::)) |
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| 10:36.24 | jacekowski | it's a software bug |
| 10:36.55 | lcuk | they just invested some huge amount of money on antenna engineers and stuff :P you think its going to remain the same |
| 10:37.04 | TermanaN900 | hail jobs! :P |
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| 10:37.47 | alterego | Yes, |
| 10:38.10 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, incase you missed twitter, i broke laws of physics again :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM |
| 10:38.13 | alterego | "State of the art test facility", "17 anechoic chambers", "$100 million investment", "18 PhD scientists & engineers" "Advanced antenna design" -- And they still fucked up |
| 10:38.43 | alterego | Though, I think it was lcuk that said, they probably spent all that money and did the research post iPhone 4 development :) |
| 10:39.17 | lcuk | no, i said very recently they were advertising for antenna engineers (after this started to surface) |
| 10:40.01 | alterego | Oh yeah, that was it :) |
| 10:40.08 | lcuk | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/30/apple_hiring_engineers/ |
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| 10:40.33 | MiXu- | I suppose coating the antenna with anything non-conductive would have solved the issue |
| 10:40.58 | MiXu- | And I find it extremely strange that the problem got into production in the first place. |
| 10:41.06 | alterego | MiXu-: actually not entirely, it'd have to be quite a thick amount of non-conductive coating to completely solve the issue |
| 10:41.20 | MiXu- | Do the engineers not use the phones during R&D :P |
| 10:41.34 | alterego | MiXu-: they have to be in a case so they don't get seen with them :) |
| 10:41.37 | Wolfie | MiXu-: i don't... i would be surprised if any of the real-world beta testers would've used the phone without a disguising case |
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| 10:41.51 | flux | the problem with engineers suing phones is that they subconsciously avoid such issues :) |
| 10:41.55 | Wolfie | thus, the beta testers never actually used the phone as it would be used |
| 10:42.02 | flux | using, even :-) |
| 10:42.03 | flux | (darn lag) |
| 10:42.13 | MiXu- | Wolfie: But even at the office? :) |
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| 10:42.36 | Wolfie | MiXu-: why remove the phone from the case, just because you're at some arbitrary location? |
| 10:43.34 | Wolfie | besides, testing the iphone is most probably under NDA also inside the company itself |
| 10:43.38 | MiXu- | True. I do see the point. |
| 10:44.02 | Wolfie | so that the cleaning lady, or something, doesn't spill the beans |
| 10:44.25 | MiXu- | That just means that the cleaning lady has to sign an NDA as well. |
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| 10:46.34 | alterego | Anyone know how I can watch one of these on ubuntu? http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/100716iab73asc/event/index.html |
| 10:46.44 | alterego | I tried doing it with VLC but didn't seem to want to. |
| 10:46.48 | MiXu- | Oh well. I bet from now on the iPhones will be tested without the fake covers as well ;) |
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| 10:51.53 | noobmonk3y | lo0l lcuk cant seeit at the mo - work and youtube dont get on too well! |
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| 10:58.33 | TermanaN900 | lcuk, looks like you have a guessing game in the comments. anyone guessed it? |
| 10:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: (coating antenna) BS that's RF |
| 10:59.25 | DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: the coating has to be a few mm thick to have any effect |
| 10:59.40 | MiXu- | Like the rubber band =) |
| 10:59.46 | TermanaN900 | i can telll you what would help the iphone 4 antenna. Leaving it inside the phone |
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| 10:59.54 | TermanaN900 | tell* |
| 11:00.03 | MiXu- | Yup |
| 11:00.03 | lcuk | TermanaN900, almost but everyone still thinks its related to the paper underneath ;) |
| 11:00.20 | TermanaN900 | lcuk, gps? |
| 11:00.29 | joga | maybe they just didn't make the bars tall enough ;) |
| 11:01.21 | MiXu- | I couldn't reproduce the signal loss issue with N900 unless I hold it very close to my body or with two hands. |
| 11:01.22 | DocScrutinizer | TermanaN900: hehe, I was god at guessing |
| 11:01.26 | DocScrutinizer | god |
| 11:01.31 | DocScrutinizer | goooooood |
| 11:01.47 | lcuk | TermanaN900, indoors, read the thread its easier, i actually explain it fully there http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58589 |
| 11:01.51 | DocScrutinizer | curses the 'o' key |
| 11:02.05 | lcuk | bangs head on filesystems |
| 11:02.13 | lcuk | im closing irc for a bit, bbl |
| 11:02.24 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 11:03.02 | DocScrutinizer | ooooohnoooooes dooooont goooooo |
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| 11:05.04 | alterego | I also like how Apple use youtube for their research. |
| 11:05.21 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
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| 11:05.42 | alterego | Several times steve says: "We found on youtube" .. "blah blah blah" |
| 11:05.52 | alterego | Every smart phone has antennagate issue |
| 11:05.56 | DocScrutinizer | hehehehe |
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| 11:07.30 | DocScrutinizer | blah, idiots. I fsteveboy and his team were that smart they'd have built a gsm-mimo to iPhone |
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| 11:08.02 | alterego | It's just every point of his press release is so well engineered for talking to the "dumb" public. |
| 11:08.33 | alterego | He's inviting people to search youtube to see people with handsets that seemingly have signal issues. |
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| 11:08.45 | DocScrutinizer | ghostwriters are cheap |
| 11:08.56 | alterego | Also, where does he get this fact that people are testing the iPhone's antenna issue in "low signal areas" that's suck bullshit |
| 11:09.20 | alterego | Consumer Reports did a throrough RF test, and they don't have a clue where there users are ffs. |
| 11:10.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf ffs |
| 11:10.20 | alterego | :) |
| 11:11.13 | DocScrutinizer | blaerrrgh, coffee or die |
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| 11:15.37 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ffs = for fsck's sake |
| 11:16.15 | cehteh | hey the n900 has no external antenna jack .. nokia forgot some geek plaything |
| 11:16.24 | jacekowski | ~ffs is for fuck sake |
| 11:16.25 | infobot | jacekowski: please, watch your language. |
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| 11:16.53 | MohammadAG | LOL |
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| 11:17.25 | DocScrutinizer | muhahaha |
| 11:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 11:17.30 | infobot | :), DocScrutinizer |
| 11:17.34 | alterego | wtf? |
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| 11:18.22 | DocScrutinizer | freaky fsckng shit |
| 11:18.38 | alterego | how cow bell |
| 11:18.39 | alterego | ffs |
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| 11:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | /nick fuck |
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| 11:21.31 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I have a feeling it's taken |
| 11:21.41 | kerio | i second the need for an external antenna |
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| 11:22.07 | DocScrutinizer | mimo mimo mimo mimo |
| 11:22.18 | DocScrutinizer | obviously a 4chan mimo |
| 11:22.58 | DocScrutinizer | incl auto tuning of antenna pi-balun |
| 11:22.58 | alterego | http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/30/apple-genius-says-30-iphone-call-drop-rate-is-average-in-new-yo/ |
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| 11:23.14 | peb | is gone. Gone since Thu Jul 15 08:27:00 2010 |
| 11:23.27 | alterego | That's funny, so that must mean that out of 100 calls, the iPhone 3g drops 30 calls (on avg) and the iPhone 4 drops 31 calls per 100 |
| 11:23.36 | alterego | That's quite a large drop rate. |
| 11:23.42 | kerio | we need a fm antenna, a cellmo antenna and a wifi antenna |
| 11:23.48 | kerio | and a bluetooth antenna |
| 11:24.12 | MohammadAG | are bad sectors... bad? |
| 11:24.23 | kerio | bad sectors are awesome ^_^ |
| 11:24.30 | ilius | sometimes my image viewer fail to detect image list and swiching next/prev image does not work with touch |
| 11:25.27 | ilius | two times until now, and i remove my configuration files (in home) every time |
| 11:25.44 | MohammadAG | Filesystem check failed! Totally 1090 cluster accounting mismatches. |
| 11:25.49 | MohammadAG | crap? |
| 11:25.54 | ilius | and then the problem soved |
| 11:25.58 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 11:25.59 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: bad sectors are like the seeds in grapes |
| 11:26.02 | MohammadAG | swap HDD or laptop |
| 11:26.25 | ilius | N900 |
| 11:26.28 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the way you put it doesn't sound too bad |
| 11:26.51 | MohammadAG | WARNING: Bad sectors can cause reliability problems and massive data loss!!! <-- meh |
| 11:27.32 | DocScrutinizer | WARNING: bad sectors can be dangerous to your health! |
| 11:27.39 | DocScrutinizer | nah that was smoking |
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| 11:27.47 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 11:27.52 | kerio | MohammadAG: run a fsck |
| 11:28.06 | MohammadAG | I've ran a fsck a lot of times on that thing |
| 11:28.09 | MohammadAG | a month or two ago |
| 11:28.17 | kerio | hmm... |
| 11:28.17 | MohammadAG | laughs diabolically |
| 11:28.20 | MohammadAG | do I need windows? |
| 11:28.30 | DocScrutinizer | what's the media?? |
| 11:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | flash? |
| 11:28.36 | MohammadAG | HDD |
| 11:28.37 | DocScrutinizer | HDD? |
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| 11:28.39 | MohammadAG | IDE |
| 11:28.40 | kerio | MohammadAG: i think fsck on unix can run a surface scan |
| 11:28.42 | DocScrutinizer | bah |
| 11:28.44 | kerio | marking the bad sectors |
| 11:28.49 | MohammadAG | it's ntfs |
| 11:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | check man fsck |
| 11:29.12 | DocScrutinizer | ntfs???? what's THAT ffs |
| 11:29.15 | MohammadAG | ponders dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 |
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| 11:29.32 | MohammadAG | NTFS (New Technology File System) is the standard file system of Windows NT |
| 11:29.32 | kerio | MohammadAG: meh |
| 11:29.55 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you made up that this very moment, no? |
| 11:29.57 | kerio | if you're getting bad sectors, you're past the point where the drive has used his own spare sectors |
| 11:30.07 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah |
| 11:30.17 | MohammadAG | seriously though, http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FNTFS&ei=EzdETJ2CDsSL4Qakqo3KDg&usg=AFQjCNGdHXTuYSg4LdioOONrjkEa_KYfwQ&sig2=KZuXeybe9I5hj3xFT-LMNw |
| 11:30.18 | MohammadAG | oops |
| 11:30.42 | DocScrutinizer | keep it |
| 11:30.47 | MohammadAG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS |
| 11:30.48 | DocScrutinizer | j/k |
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| 11:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | modern HDD never should expose bad sectors to user, see what kerio said |
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| 11:31.47 | MohammadAG | well I was going to resize |
| 11:32.17 | kerio | MohammadAG: make filesystem, run surface scan |
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| 11:32.50 | DocScrutinizer | run smart diagnostics on the drive |
| 11:33.05 | MohammadAG | backing up and getting rid of windows |
| 11:33.18 | D-Iivil_Work | _o/ |
| 11:33.40 | DocScrutinizer | man smartctl |
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| 11:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | Hitachi tauft sein Tool Drive Fitness Test, Seagate nennt es Seatools Desktop, Maxtor Powermax, Western Digital Data Lifeguard Diagnostic, Samsung Hutil, Fujitsu schlicht Drive Test und Excelstor ESTest. |
| 11:38.39 | DocScrutinizer | </quote> |
| 11:38.46 | MohammadAG | > |
| 11:40.44 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, are kernel modules redistributable? |
| 11:40.49 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 11:40.51 | Stskeeps | all gpl |
| 11:40.56 | MohammadAG | that was fast, ty |
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| 11:42.08 | aep | any idea if you can configure the n900 to always use mass storage mode? my car radio doesn't like when it has to wait for the device to appear |
| 11:42.32 | alterego | cipes |
| 11:42.36 | alterego | ~cripes .. |
| 11:42.41 | MohammadAG | could be doable |
| 11:42.43 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/Soft-Werkzeuge-289924.html&sl=de&tl=en |
| 11:42.49 | MohammadAG | replace hildon-usb-status-menu |
| 11:42.55 | MohammadAG | might produce ugly results |
| 11:43.05 | alterego | Heh |
| 11:43.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that's been slow for an autoresponder :-P |
| 11:44.14 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 11:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: which manuf? which model? |
| 11:51.58 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, manuf? |
| 11:52.07 | DocScrutinizer | brand |
| 11:52.20 | MohammadAG | Western Digital IIRC |
| 11:52.21 | MohammadAG | sec |
| 11:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | SATA? |
| 11:52.56 | MohammadAG | no, laptop doesn't have SATA, it's more than 5 years old |
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| 11:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | so PATA |
| 11:53.26 | MohammadAG | WDC WD1200VE |
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| 11:55.14 | DocScrutinizer | http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=701&lang=en |
| 11:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | HTH |
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| 11:57.13 | MohammadAG | bah |
| 11:57.15 | MohammadAG | X crashed |
| 11:57.19 | Venemo | hey guys |
| 11:57.39 | Venemo | could you please tell me where can I find some documentation on the theme API of the N900? |
| 11:57.54 | ilius | MohammadAG: ntfs on linux?? why really? |
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| 11:58.04 | alterego | What do you mean by "Theme API"? |
| 11:58.11 | MohammadAG | ilius, windows |
| 11:58.19 | MohammadAG | linux is on a 20GB partition |
| 11:58.28 | Venemo | I would like to get the path to the current theme's folder |
| 11:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | burns MohammadAG on the stake |
| 11:58.32 | MohammadAG | that usually is enough, till you get scratchbox |
| 11:59.12 | ilius | MohammadAG: writing on ntfs in linux may cause problems in long-term |
| 11:59.34 | MohammadAG | ilius, I use ext4 for linux... |
| 11:59.41 | ilius | MohammadAG: if you want to share data from linux to windows, vfat is better |
| 12:00.02 | MohammadAG | bah, I don't care tbh, I'm getting rid of the whole partition |
| 12:00.07 | MohammadAG | I don't need windows, at all |
| 12:00.27 | smhar_ | what is the default password for root in N900? |
| 12:00.37 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: CHECK YOUR DRIVE!!! |
| 12:00.40 | kerio | there isn't one |
| 12:00.47 | DocScrutinizer | you've seen the link above? |
| 12:00.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, shouldn't a format clean all errors? |
| 12:00.57 | kerio | no |
| 12:00.58 | smhar_ | how to ssh to it then? |
| 12:00.59 | ShadowJK | no |
| 12:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | NOPE |
| 12:01.01 | ilius | smhar_: there is no! install rootsh to became root without password |
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| 12:01.03 | kerio | bad blocks are bad blocks |
| 12:01.16 | MohammadAG | smhar_, install openssh-server |
| 12:01.26 | smhar_ | ilius, both are installed |
| 12:01.27 | MohammadAG | ilius, there is nothing like no password |
| 12:01.38 | ilius | smhar_: the type: rootsh sh |
| 12:01.41 | ilius | *then |
| 12:01.43 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=701&lang=en |
| 12:01.44 | MohammadAG | all users have a pass, no one knows the default one |
| 12:01.51 | MohammadAG | ilius, rootsh is now deprecated |
| 12:02.03 | Venemo | rootsh is deprecated? how so? |
| 12:02.15 | MohammadAG | sec |
| 12:02.17 | ilius | MohammadAG: hmm, thanks |
| 12:02.35 | MohammadAG | okia-N900:~# rootsh |
| 12:02.36 | MohammadAG | rootsh is now deprecated for it poses too much of a security risk. However, you can still obtain a root shell by running the commands 'root' or 'sudo gainroot'. |
| 12:02.36 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# |
| 12:02.46 | kerio | MohammadAG: huh |
| 12:02.47 | kerio | they have no password |
| 12:02.47 | kerio | really |
| 12:02.50 | smhar_ | I normally su to root, but it is not available in N900 |
| 12:03.13 | Venemo | MohammadAG: so "sudo gainroot" now works without rootsh? |
| 12:03.29 | MohammadAG | err, you misunderstood |
| 12:03.35 | MohammadAG | rootsh had a command "rootsh" |
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| 12:03.45 | MohammadAG | on diablo or chinook, idk, but it had one apparently |
| 12:03.49 | DocScrutinizer | you need pkg rootsh, the cmd is "root" |
| 12:03.57 | MohammadAG | it was rootsh apparently |
| 12:04.11 | Venemo | MohammadAG: ah, I didn't know about it. I have the package "rootsh", but I use the command "sudo gainroot" -> is that okay? |
| 12:04.19 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 12:04.20 | DocScrutinizer | sudo gainroot is obsolete and lame |
| 12:04.24 | MohammadAG | indeed |
| 12:04.29 | MohammadAG | sudo su ftw |
| 12:04.29 | Venemo | obsolete? |
| 12:04.37 | MohammadAG | ~ $ sudo su |
| 12:04.38 | MohammadAG | BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso30+0m5) built-in shell (ash) |
| 12:04.38 | MohammadAG | Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. |
| 12:04.38 | MohammadAG | /home/user # |
| 12:04.39 | DocScrutinizer | root |
| 12:04.57 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I thought "sudo gainroot" is equal to "root" |
| 12:05.09 | ilius | MohammadAG: then the package rootsh is not deprecated. the command does. yes? |
| 12:05.10 | smhar_ | mohammadAG, sudo su = root (command) ? |
| 12:05.19 | MohammadAG | err |
| 12:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | strange I always read that as ""1osso30+0m5) bullshit shell (ash)"" |
| 12:05.25 | MohammadAG | sudo su doesn't need rootsh |
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| 12:05.45 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, hmm, might edit the source for busybox, that sounds better |
| 12:05.58 | MohammadAG | su = switch user |
| 12:06.07 | MohammadAG | doesn't work on all N900s, except mine for some reason :P |
| 12:06.08 | ham5 | superuser |
| 12:06.12 | MohammadAG | no |
| 12:06.25 | DocScrutinizer | USE `root` NOOBS! |
| 12:06.26 | MohammadAG | su = switch user, not superuser |
| 12:06.40 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I have an alias for it, R |
| 12:06.53 | MohammadAG | less letters to type |
| 12:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | whats wrong with the four letters r o o t |
| 12:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 12:07.05 | MohammadAG | R is shorter |
| 12:07.12 | DocScrutinizer | bah |
| 12:07.24 | DocScrutinizer | ~mohammadag |
| 12:07.25 | infobot | i guess mohammadag is special |
| 12:07.46 | smhar_ | is there a 'less' command? |
| 12:07.50 | DocScrutinizer | redefines MohammadAG' |
| 12:07.52 | MohammadAG | apt-get install less |
| 12:07.56 | DocScrutinizer | s R to rm -rf |
| 12:08.23 | MohammadAG | alias rm -rf = echo "haha, deprecated" |
| 12:08.46 | smhar_ | mohammadAG, is it in extras? |
| 12:08.51 | MohammadAG | not sure |
| 12:09.07 | FauxFaux | I'm sure there's a pager in the default install. |
| 12:09.11 | DocScrutinizer | smhar_: prolly -devel or even tools |
| 12:09.28 | DocScrutinizer | FauxFaux: yeah, messybox more :-(( |
| 12:09.31 | MohammadAG | nah, not tools |
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| 12:09.37 | smhar_ | docscrutinizer, what is tools? |
| 12:09.42 | MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/view/less/ |
| 12:09.43 | MohammadAG | devel |
| 12:09.47 | MohammadAG | smhar_, SDK repos |
| 12:11.50 | DocScrutinizer | smhar_: that's not tools (though the URL looks alike) - but maybe you like it nevertheless: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 12:12.08 | smhar_ | I want to ssh to my N900, do I need to first establish a usb network? |
| 12:12.23 | DocScrutinizer | smhar_: I always use WLAN |
| 12:12.51 | Venemo | smhar_: it works on any network |
| 12:12.59 | DocScrutinizer | 10^4 time more convenient |
| 12:13.15 | kerio | usb networking isn't worth it imo |
| 12:13.34 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: what |
| 12:14.01 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: tahw¿ |
| 12:14.29 | smhar_ | I want to establish 'connection' between my notebook and N900, I do not have a wifi router here. |
| 12:14.32 | kerio | how can it be 10000 times more convenient? |
| 12:14.35 | kerio | smhar_: hmm |
| 12:14.54 | kerio | usb networking is probably the best idea, yes |
| 12:15.13 | smhar_ | mass storage is ok for copying files but not issuing commands |
| 12:15.26 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: that's the magic of WLAN that makes it more convenient .- compared to USB networking |
| 12:15.34 | kerio | oh, i see |
| 12:15.36 | Venemo | smhar_: you can also use PuTTY |
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| 12:16.11 | smhar_ | Venemo, I run linux, and I need to give N900 an IP somehow first |
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| 12:16.32 | Venemo | smhar_: you can also use WLAN to establish a connection |
| 12:16.39 | Venemo | smhar_: or USB networking of course |
| 12:16.53 | Venemo | smhar_: the "Mad Developer" app can help you with USB networking |
| 12:16.59 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles ad-hoc |
| 12:17.20 | kerio | ad-hoc networks suck |
| 12:17.24 | kerio | hostap ftw |
| 12:17.41 | DocScrutinizer | fsck!! buy a cheap accespoint |
| 12:17.42 | kerio | wait |
| 12:17.57 | kerio | adhoc is the one without an AP, right? |
| 12:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: right, dude |
| 12:19.04 | mirf | usb networking could be better |
| 12:19.05 | mgedmin | kerio, have you managed to turn the n900 into an AP? |
| 12:19.20 | MohammadAG | hasn't everyone? |
| 12:19.35 | MohammadAG | just create a new access point in Settings and set it to ad-hoc, then connect to it |
| 12:19.41 | MohammadAG | to start broadcasting |
| 12:19.42 | mgedmin | oh, right, the joikuspot app |
| 12:19.43 | kerio | mgedmin: hmm |
| 12:19.47 | DocScrutinizer | mirf: atually it *could* be much better, if only they'd specified a decent protocol to set it up |
| 12:19.48 | MohammadAG | you don't joikuspot |
| 12:19.49 | kerio | mobilehotspot! |
| 12:19.50 | mgedmin | MohammadAG: ad-hoc kinda sucks... |
| 12:19.57 | MohammadAG | kerio, or mobilehotspot |
| 12:20.01 | MohammadAG | you don't need either |
| 12:20.11 | DocScrutinizer | joghurt sport??? ;-P |
| 12:20.29 | kerio | MohammadAG: setting up routing and forwarding is a pita |
| 12:20.41 | mgedmin | hadn't known about mobilehotspot |
| 12:20.53 | MohammadAG | ad-hoc doesn't necessarily mean sharing a connection |
| 12:21.04 | MohammadAG | I use it to ssh when I'm away from an AP |
| 12:21.32 | mgedmin | custom kernel? kinda sucks ... |
| 12:21.33 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles "nobody listens to my mumbling" |
| 12:21.46 | nidO | someone say somethin? |
| 12:21.48 | mgedmin | does joikuspot also require a custom kernel? |
| 12:22.11 | DocScrutinizer | no, but liquid nitrogen cooling |
| 12:22.15 | kerio | yes |
| 12:22.21 | kerio | the kernel-power |
| 12:22.29 | MohammadAG | err |
| 12:22.29 | MohammadAG | no |
| 12:22.38 | MohammadAG | joikuspot loads a module |
| 12:22.43 | kerio | oh |
| 12:22.48 | smhar_ | mohammadAG, if not joikuspot and not mobilehotspot then how? |
| 12:22.51 | kerio | lame |
| 12:22.52 | mgedmin | custom module? |
| 12:22.52 | Po0ky | e/w 32 |
| 12:22.58 | mgedmin | or bog standard iptables? |
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| 12:24.01 | MohammadAG | not sure, but it's open source |
| 12:24.02 | MohammadAG | sec |
| 12:24.06 | DocScrutinizer | see, joghurt needs slightly higher temperature to ripe |
| 12:24.15 | MohammadAG | http://www.joikusoft.com/GPL/ |
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| 12:24.39 | DocScrutinizer | that's why joghurt sport has special temperature control to ensure it's riping on N900 |
| 12:25.25 | kerio | joikuspot sucks |
| 12:25.33 | kerio | mobilehotspot ftw |
| 12:25.39 | ruskie | hmm is the limitation of only having a single instance of the cli sharing plugin a feature of the sharing api or the plugin? Also naming different instances would certainly help |
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| 12:28.25 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33568 |
| 12:28.35 | DocScrutinizer | ftw |
| 12:28.45 | DocScrutinizer | joghurt sport for the losers |
| 12:32.10 | ShadowJK | hm, that thing would be cheaper without the adsl |
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| 12:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | sure, didn't find any (figure!) in the time given |
| 12:34.32 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: talking gibberish |
| 12:34.57 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: cli sharing plugin??? |
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| 12:40.39 | DocScrutinizer | damn, looks like joghurt sport is meant to run on laptops tethered to a 3G mobile. Not exactly what we got on N900 |
| 12:41.34 | mirf | has anyone got outlook notes to sync with n900? |
| 12:41.46 | DocScrutinizer | blargh |
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| 12:43.36 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync |
| 12:43.36 | MohammadAG | wow |
| 12:43.41 | MohammadAG | vfat doesn't support symlinks |
| 12:43.41 | MohammadAG | grr |
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| 12:43.51 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
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| 12:44.13 | DocScrutinizer | virtually some words I uttered some days ago |
| 12:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | same |
| 12:44.40 | MohammadAG | hmm |
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| 12:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | though some fits nicely here as well |
| 12:44.47 | MohammadAG | since when does windows use symlinks |
| 12:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | ntfs does |
| 12:45.27 | DocScrutinizer | vfat doesn't |
| 12:45.51 | DocScrutinizer | wnt=vms++ |
| 12:46.04 | MohammadAG | but I thought windows used .lnk files |
| 12:46.06 | MohammadAG | not symlinks |
| 12:46.42 | Venemo | ntfs can have symlinks |
| 12:46.44 | mirf | nice link DocScrutinizer |
| 12:46.49 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, not sure about symlinks linux flavour, maybe they get translated by the ntfs driver |
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| 12:47.16 | mirf | funambol seems to be the answer |
| 12:47.24 | DocScrutinizer | mirf: don't expect more, still puking from that o* word |
| 12:48.04 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: http://ipggi.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/windows-file-junctions-symbolic-links-and-hard-links/ |
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| 12:50.07 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: thanks, but thanks no. Though I still have some ntfs patitions on my laptop, for historical reasons, I nevertheless couln'd care less I guess and have to confess |
| 12:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | couldn't* |
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| 12:52.57 | DocScrutinizer | I basically know (V)FAT structure by heart, at least I know enough to hate it. And NTFS isn't my cup of tea |
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| 12:53.57 | DocScrutinizer | even though it's really versatile |
| 12:54.42 | Jaffa | lcukn900: Does it say that? |
| 12:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | well, there has to be some good things all the VMS programmers bought out by big-evil brought to WNT |
| 12:55.15 | alterego | I've got an abcess the size of a bowling ball on my face. |
| 12:55.20 | alterego | books a dentist appointment. |
| 12:55.41 | alterego | I look like the elephant man |
| 12:55.55 | alterego | PR1.3 would have fixed this .. |
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| 12:56.44 | Jaffa | lcukn900: The headline says "using paper" because "using light" a) doesn't let people know if they've seen it and b) the user is navigating via the paper, even if the device is not ;-p |
| 12:56.48 | DocScrutinizer | joins alterego on his way to dentist :-S |
| 12:57.11 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: you got a dental prob too? |
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| 12:57.24 | alterego | I don't mind check ups, I just hate it when I know they're going to have to do sommething big |
| 12:57.24 | iksaif | hi, |
| 12:57.26 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, prolly killing me next time |
| 12:58.19 | iksaif | anyone know why I got these errors with the i386 target (worked for armel) ? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/lugdulov_0.1.0-1/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 12:58.21 | DocScrutinizer | really big surgery waiting |
| 12:58.36 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: :/ I hope it turns out all good for you |
| 12:59.07 | DocScrutinizer | I hope I move my arse before they have to call the ambulance to get me there |
| 12:59.32 | alterego | iksaif: looks like the i386 target is having some kind of issue with Qt Mobility APIs |
| 12:59.50 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: what's wrong if you don't mind me asking? |
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| 13:00.22 | DocScrutinizer | 3 jackets rotten underneath. Radix surgery, or extraction pending |
| 13:00.34 | alterego | Eek |
| 13:01.09 | DocScrutinizer | maybe jawbone infected, dunno |
| 13:01.13 | alterego | I think I'm going to need three extractions and a root canal |
| 13:01.19 | iksaif | :/ and current Qt Mobility (at least Location) is bugged and can't use network... |
| 13:01.37 | alterego | Which means I'll need a denture for my back molar. |
| 13:01.43 | iksaif | but this is fixed in current git tree :) |
| 13:01.46 | alterego | I suppose it sounds worse than it is .. |
| 13:01.54 | iksaif | alterego: what can I do for the autobuilder ? wait ? ping someone ? |
| 13:02.06 | alterego | iksaif: not sure, still looking into it :) |
| 13:02.50 | alterego | Oh, this is interesting .. |
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| 13:03.58 | alterego | Actually, it looks like libraries that Qt depends on are not being bought into the build process. |
| 13:04.10 | alterego | So the issue is actually Qt libs not being able to link against libs they rely on. |
| 13:04.25 | DocScrutinizer | funny |
| 13:04.39 | alterego | iksaif: maybe ping X-Fade |
| 13:04.59 | alterego | Though I don't know if it's something wrong with what you're doing, from the log though it seems like it might be an issue with builder. |
| 13:05.08 | alterego | wonders if X-Fade isn't on holiday though .. |
| 13:05.27 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen X-Fade |
| 13:05.29 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 35 messages. Is idling for 3h 21m 14s, last said: 'lcuk: pong'. |
| 13:05.41 | alterego | I guess not :) |
| 13:05.53 | iksaif | alterego: I use cmake, and it works on my gentoo, and on my scratchbox (i386 and armel) |
| 13:06.01 | iksaif | and it works with the armel autobuilder |
| 13:06.32 | iksaif | so .. porbably a i386 autobuilder issue ... |
| 13:06.34 | alterego | iksaif: that's because you have all the deps installed :P |
| 13:06.37 | alterego | Yeah |
| 13:07.35 | iksaif | I can probably put a fake build-depend to install required dependencies :-* |
| 13:07.43 | alterego | Yes, probably. |
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| 13:09.21 | iksaif | hum .. liblocation is reported missing .. but is installed |
| 13:09.46 | iksaif | let's try with a make VERBOSE=1 to get the cflags ... |
| 13:10.11 | alterego | Are you running qmake before make? |
| 13:14.02 | iksaif | alterego: I'm using cmake, not qmake :) |
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| 13:20.00 | iksaif | the log are now more verbose ... same url |
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| 13:28.46 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer, there's a cli sharing plugin on tmo and garage |
| 13:29.17 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, sounds odd. what is it supposed to do? |
| 13:29.44 | ruskie | allow to execute an arbitrary command to share |
| 13:29.59 | ruskie | I have it configured for scp upload atm |
| 13:30.12 | ruskie | but I'd like to add others |
| 13:30.16 | DocScrutinizer | ooh share *VIA* cli, not share _the_ cli |
| 13:30.36 | ruskie | :) |
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| 13:34.15 | DocScrutinizer | notices the extreme non-inuitivity of "check for new services" in setting-sharingAccounts |
| 13:35.22 | DocScrutinizer | LOL!! minutes later HAM pops up, with a list of sharing plugins and lots of unrelated crap :-P |
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| 13:36.33 | GAN900 | Ha |
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| 13:36.45 | GAN900 | Section: user/sharing-plugins |
| 13:37.27 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how liqtactoe got in there |
| 13:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | also petrovich probably isn't exactly a plugin |
| 13:39.11 | DocScrutinizer | but meh |
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| 13:41.45 | GAN900 | Meh indeed |
| 13:42.04 | GAN900 | I mean, you could file a bug, but where would it get you? :P |
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| 13:44.44 | barisione | did anybody managed to run pulseaudio in scratchbox? |
| 13:46.38 | DocScrutinizer | did anybody managed to run pulseaudio? |
| 13:46.57 | GAN900 | Nokia? |
| 13:47.03 | DocScrutinizer | did anybody managed pulseaudio? |
| 13:47.16 | GAN900 | Nokia? |
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| 13:47.52 | DocScrutinizer | ponders adding "PA must die" to his signature |
| 13:48.10 | GAN900 | Penny Arcade? :( |
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| 13:48.33 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, I'm gonna process the last round of device requests this week. |
| 13:48.41 | lcuk | Pennsylvania? |
| 13:48.49 | DocScrutinizer | k, I'm out :-) |
| 13:50.01 | smhar | I know I can establish a usb networking to allow N900 to get internet from a computer, but does it work the other way too? making N900 the host and allowing the other computer to get to the net through N900 using usb? |
| 13:50.49 | lcuk | yes smhar thats the "normal" way of doing it |
| 13:50.51 | frals | yes |
| 13:51.05 | lcuk | my ubuntu laptop detects it naturally without any extra drivers |
| 13:51.06 | frals | pc suite mode and let the magic begin! |
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| 13:51.22 | smhar | great |
| 13:51.43 | lcuk | any filesystem guys knocking around? |
| 13:51.53 | lcuk | im pondering things about unionfs |
| 13:52.00 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps: fb_text2screen! |
| 13:56.32 | E0x | smhar: in pc suite mode you can use you phone like a modem |
| 13:57.09 | E0x | debian sid detect it just fine ( debian sid + gnome, network manager |
| 13:57.11 | E0x | ) |
| 13:57.27 | smhar | E0x, any idea about squeeze? |
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| 14:01.45 | E0x | smhar: not sure but i think will work |
| 14:02.26 | E0x | i think just need have installed network-manager for "easy" setup all |
| 14:02.46 | E0x | but you can use wvdial too |
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| 14:03.09 | mirf | wow what a load od balls this sync business is |
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| 14:07.46 | smhar | what editor are available in terminal? |
| 14:08.03 | alterego | vi |
| 14:08.13 | smhar | and? |
| 14:08.32 | FauxFaux | Why would you want anything else? |
| 14:08.35 | DocScrutinizer | mcedit |
| 14:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | emacs |
| 14:08.50 | DocScrutinizer | sed |
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| 14:09.56 | andre__ | nano |
| 14:10.54 | smhar | none in in extras yet |
| 14:11.19 | ieatlint | err, nokia siemens just bought motorola's phone division? |
| 14:11.30 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# ls -l `which editor` |
| 14:11.31 | DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Apr 23 20:02 /usr/bin/editor -> /etc/alternatives/editor |
| 14:11.33 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# ls -l /etc/alternatives/editor |
| 14:11.34 | DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Apr 25 19:32 /etc/alternatives/editor -> /usr/bin/mcedit-debian |
| 14:11.48 | fragment | ieatlint: networks, not phones |
| 14:12.01 | ieatlint | ah, i misunderstood |
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| 14:13.16 | mortini | ed! |
| 14:13.39 | ieatlint | ok, that made me do a real double-take, that makes a lot more sense now |
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| 14:14.26 | DrIDK | How can I make a call from my custom maemo5 application ? Is there an API ? |
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| 14:17.56 | alterego | DrIDK: I believe it's telepathy |
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| 14:20.43 | Dongle | hello |
| 14:20.53 | slonopotamus | ehlo |
| 14:21.26 | Dongle | been using my n900 for like 2 weeks now |
| 14:21.32 | Dongle | i love it |
| 14:21.37 | slonopotamus | okay |
| 14:21.53 | Dongle | u jealous? |
| 14:22.03 | mortini | why? |
| 14:22.17 | Dongle | why what |
| 14:22.29 | mortini | why would i be jealous? |
| 14:22.46 | Dongle | why wouldnt u be? |
| 14:22.52 | slonopotamus | Dongle: been using my n800 for 2.5 years and my n900 since nov. you jealous? |
| 14:23.11 | slonopotamus | (oh, and i love them) |
| 14:23.35 | slonopotamus | fails to get the point of this conversation but whatever |
| 14:23.44 | mortini | nods. |
| 14:24.00 | Dongle | there really wasnt one |
| 14:24.09 | Dongle | just making convo |
| 14:24.15 | slonopotamus | Dongle: oh(2), and nokia granted me n900 for free. |
| 14:24.36 | Dongle | why? |
| 14:24.37 | slonopotamus | 1:0? :) |
| 14:24.51 | lcuk | slonopotamus, you dont wanna start a pissing competition in here ;) |
| 14:25.00 | slonopotamus | Dongle: because "i'm an expert in this area" as they said |
| 14:25.19 | slonopotamus | lcuk: c'mon, it's just funny :) |
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| 14:25.40 | mirf | I can't piss very well but my penis is HUGE |
| 14:25.41 | Dongle | an expert? a phone expert? |
| 14:25.52 | Dongle | nice |
| 14:26.07 | slonopotamus | Dongle: i didn't say i am. |
| 14:26.14 | lcuk | Dongle, what have you been doing with your n900 then |
| 14:26.16 | mirf | unfortunately it won't sync with ovi |
| 14:26.25 | Dongle | are u a blogger? i know some of those guys got free ones |
| 14:26.47 | lcuk | mirf, if it was so big, you would risk trapping it in the ovi |
| 14:26.48 | ieatlint | i got an openmoko freerunner for free... does that make me special? |
| 14:26.55 | Dongle | ive been loading it with games, organizing my work stuff, adding contacts |
| 14:27.15 | lcuk | Dongle, cool, are you a linux user yourself, or is this your first linux device? |
| 14:27.20 | mirf | lcuk: I was coaxed in, I figured I could leave whenver I wanted |
| 14:27.20 | Dongle | @ieatlint yes it does |
| 14:27.32 | Dongle | my first linux device. |
| 14:27.34 | ieatlint | in a hilarious and depressing way.. |
| 14:27.45 | lcuk | cool, what did you have before it |
| 14:27.46 | Dongle | im on it right now at work hehe |
| 14:27.58 | Dongle | iphone 3g |
| 14:28.09 | Dongle | totally feel like a free bird |
| 14:28.18 | mirf | :) |
| 14:28.32 | slonopotamus | ieatlint: that may make Dongle jealous |
| 14:29.02 | Dongle | haha |
| 14:29.17 | ieatlint | slonopotamus: best phone ever! |
| 14:29.21 | Dongle | i probable should change my font color |
| 14:29.57 | Dongle | testing |
| 14:30.05 | Dongle | ...didnt work |
| 14:30.23 | slonopotamus | Dongle: irc doesn't work that way. you can't force your colors on others |
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| 14:30.55 | FauxFaux | Only because the channel is +Cu^Hcnt. |
| 14:30.56 | lcuk | he meant his own - im guessing hte grey of his own text is too light (it is for me at times) |
| 14:31.00 | Dongle | well i was trying to do local but still didnt work |
| 14:31.15 | Dongle | yea exact.y lcuk |
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| 14:32.00 | Dongle | testing |
| 14:32.15 | tybollt | seems to work there buddy |
| 14:33.07 | Dongle | not working for me! |
| 14:33.17 | Dongle | maybe i have to restart irc |
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| 14:38.06 | tybollt | Zagg invisibelshield users around here? |
| 14:38.21 | toggles_w | tybollt: yes |
| 14:38.58 | tybollt | "microbubbles and imperfections will work themselves out in a day or two" <-- this true to the word or should I spoent the extra time to really REALLY get them all out of there? :) |
| 14:39.43 | jacekowski | tybollt: it's true |
| 14:39.44 | ieatlint | if they're "microbubbles", then ignore them.. if they're 1mm or so, work them out |
| 14:39.51 | jacekowski | tybollt: unless bubbles are too big |
| 14:39.55 | tybollt | jacekowski: good stuff |
| 14:40.10 | tybollt | ieatlint: faire nough |
| 14:40.12 | toggles_w | tybollt: sorry, didn't notice any after I put mine on, |
| 14:40.14 | jacekowski | well, microbubless will go |
| 14:40.16 | jacekowski | bubbles no |
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| 14:41.34 | toggles_w | mine has started to lift on various parts, lost the edges at about ~ 6 months, now the back is starting to go, but to be fair, it was washed, and has spent 6 months unproteced in my pocket |
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| 14:42.39 | ieatlint | yeah, the screen is the real one to worry about |
| 14:43.15 | Dongle | where can u buy these? |
| 14:43.37 | SpeedEvil | invisibleshields Dongle? |
| 14:43.46 | Dongle | yes |
| 14:43.56 | SpeedEvil | I would suspect invisibleshield.com |
| 14:44.17 | toggles_w | yeah, i don't think i'll buy anything but the screen when my meego device arrives |
| 14:44.29 | Dongle | i dunno...sounds too exact |
| 14:45.14 | Dongle | does the screen get scratched easily? mine hasnt so far. knock on wood |
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| 14:45.42 | SpeedEvil | I have bought: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NOKIA-N900-PROTECTIVE-CRYSTAL-CASE-SCREEN-PROTECTOR-/220548226786?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item3359b2dee2 and http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/6-PACK-LCD-SCREEN-GUARD-PROTECTORS-NOKIA-N900-/320523762503?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Mobiles_Accessories_RL&hash=item4aa0b47b47 |
| 14:45.51 | SpeedEvil | which work well for me |
| 14:45.56 | SpeedEvil | Dongle: It depends. |
| 14:46.21 | SpeedEvil | Dongle: If you keep it in a pocket with little or nothing else, do not live in a gritty environment, and rarely if ever use the pointer - maybe not. |
| 14:46.39 | kerio | what's a meego device? :o |
| 14:46.48 | SpeedEvil | But one oops with something sharp can otherwise cause major scraching. As can a teeny bit of grit on the edge of the pointer |
| 14:46.59 | Dongle | pointer? u mean stylus? i use it often |
| 14:47.15 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 14:47.27 | Dongle | oh really. i keep the pointer inside away from the grits! |
| 14:47.48 | kerio | i lick the pointer before using it |
| 14:47.50 | kerio | :3 |
| 14:48.03 | Dongle | im gonna check out those protectors. do they make the sensitivity of the screen decrease? |
| 14:48.11 | kerio | Dongle: yes |
| 14:48.14 | SpeedEvil | Personally, the above protectors work fine for me. And not that I noticed. |
| 14:48.15 | kerio | but not that much |
| 14:48.29 | kerio | screen protectors suck |
| 14:48.48 | Dongle | i see. well it would be a good investment anyways for such a valuable device |
| 14:48.49 | toggles_w | kerio: i'll let you know when mine arrives |
| 14:49.13 | kerio | you can just buy another full cover when it gets unusable |
| 14:49.54 | SpeedEvil | Removing the cover is not risk free |
| 14:50.06 | ieatlint | just put a condom over the phone, it's effective and also makes it water resistant |
| 14:50.06 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer bricked his phone that way. |
| 14:50.19 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: ribbed? |
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| 14:50.40 | kerio | SpeedEvil: what if i go to a nokia point? |
| 14:50.42 | ieatlint | for your finger's pleasure |
| 14:51.00 | SpeedEvil | kerio: they will not - as I understand it - replace the case free. |
| 14:51.06 | Dongle | bricked it from a protector? |
| 14:51.08 | SpeedEvil | It's quite an intricate operation. |
| 14:51.11 | DocScrutinizer | afk |
| 14:51.20 | SpeedEvil | Dongle: bricked it by removing the innards from the case |
| 14:51.31 | SpeedEvil | - which you'd need to do to replace a damaged case |
| 14:51.32 | Dongle | why would he do that? |
| 14:51.40 | SpeedEvil | because he's like that. |
| 14:51.44 | Dongle | ohh i see |
| 14:51.49 | bennypr0fane | hello, is it a bad idea to run N900 overclocked at all times? If no, how do do that? I have latest power kernel installed, ideal settings work well, but i'd like to go a little faster still |
| 14:51.53 | SpeedEvil | To take pictures of the insides, for debugging purposes. |
| 14:52.26 | SpeedEvil | bennypr0fane: Overclocking isn't as well tollerated by the CPU. It's only rated at 10000 hours at 600Mhz anyway. |
| 14:52.38 | Dongle | i would only open up the screen to blow out dust that gets trapped. if that happends |
| 14:52.53 | kerio | a little *faster* than 1ghz? |
| 14:52.53 | kerio | the fuck |
| 14:52.57 | SpeedEvil | bennypr0fane: According to spec. goin faster may dramatically reduce this life, and permenantly damage things. |
| 14:52.59 | Dongle | lol |
| 14:53.07 | kerio | overclocking is a bad, bad, bad idea |
| 14:53.21 | Dongle | itll be a good hand warmer for the winter too |
| 14:53.25 | bennypr0fane | i only sert it to 850 |
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| 14:53.59 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, technically where the hours rating coming from? |
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| 14:54.15 | lcuk | i'd just rather we didnt talk about n900 OC whilst we still have lovely warranties |
| 14:54.18 | DocScrutinizer | bennypr0fane: might cause system failure unrecoverable, in several months |
| 14:54.38 | bennypr0fane | some people on talk.maemo.org say it can't be told yet how what the risks are exactly |
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| 14:55.05 | bennypr0fane | it is really going to slow for me |
| 14:55.34 | Dongle | what r u using it for? |
| 14:55.42 | bennypr0fane | everything |
| 14:55.48 | lcuk | then find other ways to improve performance |
| 14:55.53 | Dongle | whaaat? |
| 14:55.58 | kerio | bennypr0fane: do you really need to? |
| 14:55.58 | DocScrutinizer | bennypr0fane: they are idiots that can't read or believe TI specs |
| 14:56.04 | bennypr0fane | like what, for example? |
| 14:56.04 | lcuk | i remember for years having to close EVERYTHING to get reasonable gaming performance |
| 14:56.18 | lcuk | we can now do so much more without being so drastic |
| 14:56.26 | lcuk | infact, i remember havign to do same just to play an mp3! |
| 14:56.27 | Dongle | mines stock and is fastest mobile device ive ever touched |
| 14:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | bennypr0fane: so if they claim 'it' can't be told, they mean they themselves do not understand |
| 14:56.44 | lcuk | Dongle, the n900 kicks ass! |
| 14:56.44 | bennypr0fane | :-D |
| 14:57.04 | Dongle | that is so true lcuk |
| 14:57.06 | bennypr0fane | what bugs me the most is phone reacting so slowly |
| 14:57.16 | kerio | the Phone application? |
| 14:57.22 | bennypr0fane | yes |
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| 14:57.29 | kerio | the rotation delay won't get better with a faster cpu |
| 14:57.37 | bennypr0fane | yes it does |
| 14:57.40 | kerio | and it's a ram problem, not a cpu problem |
| 14:57.42 | bennypr0fane | i tried it |
| 14:57.47 | Dongle | i mean....just cope |
| 14:57.55 | lcuk | no its not, its a set thing, you can tweak rotation times |
| 14:58.05 | lcuk | transitions can be effectively removed |
| 14:58.10 | Dongle | or disable it right? |
| 14:58.14 | ham5 | I want an options in the phone app to just bring up the dial pad when opened |
| 14:58.19 | lcuk | dunno about flat out disable |
| 14:58.21 | kerio | do you really need more than 10Hz to dial a number? |
| 14:58.27 | kerio | :/ |
| 14:58.27 | bennypr0fane | see? ask 2 people, get 2 opinions, ask 10 people, get 10..... |
| 14:58.37 | lcuk | but rotation can occur literally in the blink of an eye, it just doesnt look as good and is more jolting |
| 14:58.41 | ham5 | ask 515 get 515? |
| 14:58.53 | kerio | bennypr0fane: we're all pretty consistant on "overclocking is stupid" |
| 14:58.54 | lcuk | no ham, 516 |
| 14:59.12 | Dongle | i agree the rotation can be annoying |
| 14:59.13 | bennypr0fane | is that true everyone? |
| 14:59.31 | DocScrutinizer | bennypr0fane: it's up to you to estimate the conpetence of the opinion givers |
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| 14:59.34 | bennypr0fane | "all pretty consistant", i mean? |
| 14:59.38 | Dongle | i wouldnt go 1000 |
| 14:59.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell bennypr0fane about joerg |
| 14:59.54 | bennypr0fane | but 850 should be ok.... |
| 15:00.11 | lcuk | bennypr0fane, if 850 was ok, it would have that as top speed when you bought it |
| 15:00.17 | Dongle | "should" |
| 15:00.31 | bennypr0fane | i mean if you get even better battery life....? |
| 15:00.33 | Dongle | well they want good battery life |
| 15:00.53 | bennypr0fane | what about JörG? |
| 15:01.16 | DocScrutinizer | starts to get into OC-kick-them-bastards rage and fury again :-( |
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| 15:01.47 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: nooooo |
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| 15:01.59 | kerio | just let them overclock |
| 15:02.14 | kerio | they'll disconnect after their n900 blows up |
| 15:02.16 | DocScrutinizer | blargh |
| 15:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
| 15:02.34 | kerio | hopefully causing permanent damage |
| 15:02.54 | bennypr0fane | however battery life is not that much of an issue for me, but between using the n900 for other things (browsing,...) you really have to wait a lot for a lot of rotations to make a phone call |
| 15:02.56 | Dongle | haha |
| 15:03.01 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: n900 WILL NOT BLOW UP! it just will act up, by throwing SEGV every 5 minutes |
| 15:03.15 | lcuk | right :) bennypr0fane its off the dicussion board, one more word about it.. |
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| 15:03.19 | jacekowski | bennypr0fane: and how overclock will help with rotation? |
| 15:03.21 | mirf | any nice frontend for overclocking yet? |
| 15:03.27 | DocScrutinizer | rhen they go sobbing "eeew those apps are so crappy" |
| 15:03.30 | bennypr0fane | it is faster |
| 15:03.32 | jacekowski | bennypr0fane: unless you overclock RTC it's not going to help at all |
| 15:03.38 | nidO | bennypr0fane no it isnt. |
| 15:03.42 | bennypr0fane | but it does |
| 15:03.49 | DocScrutinizer | BS |
| 15:03.51 | kerio | just call in landscape |
| 15:03.54 | mirf | used to have a nice clock app on my old htc that would speed up only when needed |
| 15:03.57 | jacekowski | nah, rotation is using timer that's calibrated to RTC |
| 15:04.02 | Dongle | he wants dial pad |
| 15:04.13 | nidO | rotations are specifically controlled by time delays in transitions.ini. upping the cpu speed doesnt change the plain fact that those specifically-set delays are still there |
| 15:04.29 | bennypr0fane | also, fast access to contacts is only there in portrait |
| 15:04.30 | jacekowski | and it's designed to wait a while to make sure that you really turned your phone |
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| 15:04.31 | nidO | you or whoever told you overclocking would change rotation times is talking out their ass |
| 15:04.35 | Dongle | setm delay to 0 |
| 15:04.39 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: and transitions probably done by gles and GFX accel hw anyway |
| 15:04.46 | *** kick/#maemo [bennypr0fane!lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk] by lcuk (bennypr0fane) |
| 15:04.52 | jacekowski | but well, you could overclock RTC |
| 15:04.56 | lcuk | damn where was the kick msg |
| 15:04.57 | jacekowski | that would make rotation faster |
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| 15:05.04 | lcuk | jacekowski, you as well :P |
| 15:05.16 | jacekowski | lcuk: overclocking rtc would make rotation faster |
| 15:05.21 | Dongle | isnt that what u want? fast rotation? |
| 15:05.23 | jacekowski | lcuk: but clock would be faster as well |
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| 15:05.43 | kerio | jacekowski: the n900 is so fast that even the clock does 48 hours a day |
| 15:05.51 | lcuk | jacekowski, drop the subject |
| 15:06.02 | jacekowski | hmm, that would be evil |
| 15:06.02 | kerio | huh... |
| 15:06.08 | drglnx | lol |
| 15:06.12 | kerio | no joking allowed here? |
| 15:06.12 | jacekowski | app that would mess with RTC clock |
| 15:06.13 | *** mode/#maemo [-o lcuk] by ChanServ |
| 15:06.22 | jacekowski | and some marketing BS |
| 15:06.34 | jacekowski | that slowing it down improves battery life |
| 15:06.38 | lcuk | thanks DocScrutinizer :D |
| 15:06.56 | Dongle | does anyone use a case for their n900? |
| 15:07.00 | jacekowski | i'm wondering how many people would buy it |
| 15:07.17 | jacekowski | i would do it just for sake of screwing with people |
| 15:07.32 | lcuk | Dongle, ive got a little bag/pouch |
| 15:07.43 | jacekowski | i've got a pocket |
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| 15:07.55 | Dongle | when u get a call, how do u whip it out in time? |
| 15:08.21 | kerio | when a problem comes along |
| 15:08.26 | kerio | you must whip it |
| 15:08.29 | Dongle | i bought a leather clip case but the n900 is heavy and wobbles on my belt |
| 15:08.46 | Dongle | feels annoying |
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| 15:09.30 | jacekowski | Dongle: nobody calls me |
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| 15:09.36 | Dongle | lol |
| 15:09.38 | jacekowski | Dongle: besides, i have huge pockets |
| 15:09.47 | jacekowski | so it's easy for me to take phone out of it |
| 15:09.54 | jacekowski | i have my phone in left pocket |
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| 15:09.57 | jacekowski | and my wallet in right |
| 15:10.01 | jacekowski | any car keys in right |
| 15:10.03 | luke-jr | Dongle: when someone calls me, I take my phone out, not my tablet |
| 15:10.04 | jacekowski | and house keys in left |
| 15:10.05 | Dongle | well im worried about dust getting under the phone |
| 15:10.17 | Dongle | screen that is |
| 15:10.23 | luke-jr | jacekowski: house keys don't scratch it up? |
| 15:10.42 | jacekowski | not so far |
| 15:10.52 | jacekowski | i've got more scratches from dropping it |
| 15:10.52 | Dongle | protector on it? |
| 15:10.55 | jacekowski | no |
| 15:10.57 | jacekowski | insurance |
| 15:11.10 | Dongle | how much was it? from nokia? |
| 15:11.11 | luke-jr | yeah, I stopped putting it in my shirt pocket because it'd just fall out -.-;; |
| 15:11.15 | jacekowski | no |
| 15:11.25 | jacekowski | from my bank |
| 15:11.29 | Dongle | lol it would look like a square boob |
| 15:11.35 | luke-jr | I keep wallet + both keys in my right pocket |
| 15:11.36 | mtnbkr | speaking of scratches... does anyone else have issues with the stylus causing 'fine' scratches? |
| 15:11.38 | jacekowski | i pay £9/month for travel insurance + phone + AA cover |
| 15:11.42 | luke-jr | and N900, phone, and rosary in my left |
| 15:11.45 | jacekowski | + gold card |
| 15:11.47 | Dongle | bank phone insurance eh? |
| 15:11.53 | TiredWolf | Would you say the 810 is is a good ebook reader? I was thinking it might be because of the pretty hires screen that's kinda bigger than cellphones and transflective, as well as decent battery life |
| 15:12.00 | jacekowski | Dongle: one of "freebies" with my account |
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| 15:12.09 | Stskeeps | TiredWolf: i like it as a ebook reader as i can read it in the sun |
| 15:12.30 | jacekowski | Dongle: so when phone goes wrong/lost/something i just have to pay £30 excess |
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| 15:12.40 | jacekowski | Dongle: which is cheaper than screen protector |
| 15:12.44 | Dongle | wow |
| 15:12.52 | rodald | hi, does anyone knows if theres a way to use the n900 as a web cam? |
| 15:12.54 | luke-jr | if you want something to read in the sun, use GameBoy Colour for ebooks |
| 15:12.55 | luke-jr | <.< |
| 15:12.58 | Dongle | i need to ask my bank for that haha |
| 15:13.03 | jacekowski | Dongle: where do you live? |
| 15:13.05 | TiredWolf | is it big enough? I know the specs in theory but i've never actually seen one |
| 15:13.09 | Dongle | us |
| 15:13.26 | jacekowski | that might be a problem |
| 15:13.32 | Dongle | yea ive seen an app for streaming camera rodald |
| 15:13.34 | luke-jr | TiredWolf: no handheld is big enough for most PDFs, IMO |
| 15:13.43 | Dongle | i use bank of america |
| 15:13.44 | jacekowski | i doubt any bank sells something like that there |
| 15:13.58 | jacekowski | i'm using lloydstsb |
| 15:13.59 | rodald | where and whats the name? |
| 15:14.10 | Dongle | i use bank of america |
| 15:14.14 | Dongle | whoops |
| 15:14.23 | jacekowski | you're repeating yourself |
| 15:14.29 | luke-jr | i use bank of america |
| 15:14.37 | Dongle | i know i hit the down arrow lol |
| 15:14.39 | TiredWolf | Hmm. Although the actual ebook readers, while bigger, are often similar resolution |
| 15:14.49 | Dongle | no the up arrow |
| 15:14.59 | luke-jr | TiredWolf: resolution is about quality, not size |
| 15:15.13 | Dongle | its so close to the enter key on the n900 |
| 15:15.36 | luke-jr | TiredWolf: you could scale PDFs to fit on N810's display, but you wouldn't be able to read it because the print would be so small |
| 15:15.46 | luke-jr | or at least, you'd be straining if you could |
| 15:16.11 | TiredWolf | luke-jr: well but if you have hi res you can fit more stuff without reaching unreadable quality |
| 15:16.14 | Dongle | rodald try google |
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| 15:16.23 | luke-jr | TiredWolf: size matters |
| 15:16.23 | TiredWolf | i see |
| 15:16.47 | Dongle | u could use the tv out and read pdfs on a tv |
| 15:16.55 | TiredWolf | heh |
| 15:17.01 | luke-jr | there is no TV out |
| 15:17.08 | luke-jr | also, that'd be far worse |
| 15:17.11 | Dongle | on the n900 yesss |
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| 15:17.25 | Dongle | worse how? small print gets bigge |
| 15:17.26 | luke-jr | Dongle: but he's talking about N810 |
| 15:17.32 | luke-jr | Dongle: TV resolution is utter crap |
| 15:17.32 | Dongle | ohh my bad |
| 15:17.35 | luke-jr | and interlaced |
| 15:17.56 | luke-jr | so effectively 720x240 |
| 15:17.58 | Dongle | when i tried it watching something it seemed fine |
| 15:18.05 | Dongle | whats interlaced mean |
| 15:18.08 | luke-jr | watching video is not reading |
| 15:18.19 | luke-jr | it means half the height, alternating lines |
| 15:18.51 | lcuk | flickering |
| 15:18.53 | Dongle | oh by the way. can the n900 tv out videos u record on it? i tried but i dont get video, just audio |
| 15:18.58 | lcuk | remembers highresolution amiga |
| 15:19.06 | Dongle | oh i see |
| 15:19.09 | lcuk | 14" tv and flicker |
| 15:19.13 | lcuk | its no wonder i have glasses |
| 15:19.17 | luke-jr | lol |
| 15:19.18 | Dongle | lol |
| 15:19.25 | Stskeeps | mgedmin: ping |
| 15:19.30 | mgedmin | meow |
| 15:19.38 | luke-jr | lcuk: I think my Amiga supported a non-interlaced mode... |
| 15:19.40 | Stskeeps | mgedmin: what kind of web interface does your logs run on? |
| 15:19.47 | ieatlint | doesn't actually mean half height exactly |
| 15:20.01 | mgedmin | Stskeeps, static files served by apache |
| 15:20.01 | ieatlint | interlacing means half the veritcal resolution per update |
| 15:20.01 | lcuk | luke-jr, you were posh and had an RGB monitor with deinterlacer |
| 15:20.21 | ieatlint | ntsc 60hz, so you still get the same full picture with 480 vertical lines |
| 15:20.26 | Stskeeps | mgedmin: ok, so supybot spits out html directly? |
| 15:20.26 | ieatlint | just only 240 at a time |
| 15:20.37 | mgedmin | Stskeeps, cron |
| 15:21.02 | Stskeeps | ok |
| 15:21.13 | Stskeeps | any specific tool to export it like that? |
| 15:21.24 | ieatlint | and the interlacing is essentially required by the composite format it uses |
| 15:21.28 | mgedmin | Stskeeps, http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/ |
| 15:21.32 | Stskeeps | thanks |
| 15:21.39 | mgedmin | incidentally, ever page has a link to the tool in the footer ;) |
| 15:21.53 | Stskeeps | i never read stories to the end ;) |
| 15:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | playback self recorded video? WFM, like any other video does |
| 15:22.15 | mgedmin | the tool badly needs love and attention (e.g. documentation) |
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| 15:24.12 | iksaif | ~seen X-Fade |
| 15:24.16 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 35 messages. Is idling for 5h 40m 1s, last said: 'lcuk: pong'. |
| 15:25.14 | bennypr0fane | which method do you guys use for syncing your calendar? |
| 15:25.36 | Stskeeps | mgedmin: if we were centralising logging for #meego* things, would it be possible to get a tarball of your #meego logs so we have them in one place? |
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| 15:25.46 | mgedmin | Stskeeps, sure! |
| 15:26.06 | Stskeeps | k |
| 15:26.20 | mgedmin | I can help with supybot config and the cron scripts too |
| 15:27.01 | Stskeeps | :nod: will note it in the page, we're working on proposal for IRC setup when servers are set up at OSUOSL |
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| 15:29.36 | hrw | how many people use maemo-mapper/mappero under maemo5? |
| 15:29.47 | trip0 | not me |
| 15:29.58 | Stskeeps | i use maep or sygic |
| 15:30.02 | mirf | anyone in here overclocking? |
| 15:30.17 | trip0 | ~overclocking |
| 15:30.18 | infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" |
| 15:30.38 | smhar | I managed to get usb networking working. I can ping both ends and I can ssh to n900 :-) |
| 15:30.47 | hrw | Stskeeps: is maep stable? |
| 15:30.50 | trip0 | smhar, nice! |
| 15:30.57 | mgedmin | smhar, yay |
| 15:30.57 | Corsac | what's sygic? |
| 15:31.01 | bennypr0fane | Hi mirf, be careful i got kicked out 10 mins ago fro asking about oc |
| 15:31.08 | Stskeeps | hrw: works for me for simple things |
| 15:31.09 | mirf | really? |
| 15:31.10 | mgedmin | I've a shell script that runs dnsmasq configured as a DHCP server on the n900 side |
| 15:31.18 | bennypr0fane | yes, really |
| 15:31.19 | mgedmin | I run it, plug in the USB cable, and my laptop autoconfigures |
| 15:31.32 | mgedmin | combine this with avahi-daemon, and you can ssh your-n900.local without any extra setup |
| 15:31.45 | smhar | nano installed :-) |
| 15:31.47 | mgedmin | (only cables suck, so I use wifi anyway, usually) |
| 15:31.48 | kerio | mgedmin: static IPs do that too |
| 15:31.48 | hrw | Stskeeps: I need a tool for Prague sightseeing - old maemo-mapper like tool with google maps data |
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| 15:32.17 | mgedmin | kerio, static IPs would require me to do static config on my lappy |
| 15:32.23 | Stskeeps | hrw: i pre-cache in maep quite often |
| 15:32.55 | kerio | mgedmin: yeah |
| 15:32.56 | kerio | so? |
| 15:33.10 | luke-jr | mgedmin: why do you need avahi? |
| 15:33.12 | mgedmin | <-- lazy, hates manual work |
| 15:33.27 | mgedmin | luke-jr, so I can access my n900 without knowing its IP address in any network whatsoever |
| 15:33.33 | luke-jr | ... |
| 15:33.39 | luke-jr | didn't you just say dnsmasq? |
| 15:34.20 | smhar | maybe it is time to symlink some directories from rootfs outside to free more space :-) |
| 15:34.23 | mgedmin | luke-jr, eh? that's for when there's no WiFi nearby and I have to use usb/adhoc wifi and need my n900 to become the DHCP server |
| 15:34.51 | luke-jr | mgedmin: dnsmasq is a DNS server |
| 15:35.04 | mgedmin | luke-jr, it has a DHCP server too |
| 15:35.10 | luke-jr | mgedmin: I'm aware. |
| 15:35.24 | luke-jr | it also adds systems that use DHCP to its DNS records |
| 15:35.34 | mgedmin | right, and your point is? |
| 15:35.44 | luke-jr | my point is that you don't need avahi |
| 15:35.55 | luke-jr | since dnsmasq will just resolve whatever for you |
| 15:35.56 | mgedmin | I need it when I'm not using my own dnsmasq |
| 15:36.14 | mgedmin | if there's an existing WiFi network, I connect both my laptop and my n900 to it, then avahi lets them find each other |
| 15:36.31 | mgedmin | if there's no existing WiFi network, only then I need my custom scripts and stuff |
| 15:36.39 | luke-jr | i c |
| 15:36.52 | smhar | because I am have only 53mn left now :-) |
| 15:36.59 | mgedmin | I sometimes wonder how much avahi-daemon costs in terms of battery life |
| 15:37.06 | mgedmin | did anybody ever do any tests? |
| 15:38.10 | smhar | I do have serious problems with battery life. It only lasts for around 4 hours |
| 15:38.34 | mgedmin | ouch |
| 15:38.44 | mgedmin | I'm unhappy because mine lasts maybe 10 hours |
| 15:38.48 | smhar | I am not sure if it is because of some programs running in the background |
| 15:39.09 | Dongle | screen brightness |
| 15:39.36 | kerio | smhar: using 3g data? |
| 15:39.40 | smhar | when the battery is full after charging and I unplug the charger, the battery level immediately drops 2% |
| 15:39.53 | Dongle | whoa |
| 15:40.26 | Dongle | is bluetooth and gsm data on? |
| 15:40.34 | Dongle | is the transmitter on? |
| 15:40.51 | smhar | bloetooth is off but gsm is on |
| 15:41.06 | smhar | the fm transmitter? it is off |
| 15:41.11 | lcuk | using the light sabre attachment? |
| 15:41.20 | Dongle | what app are u using to view battery life? |
| 15:41.20 | smhar | no |
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| 15:42.28 | smhar | desktop command execution widget |
| 15:42.50 | Dongle | hmm. try getting batterygraph and see if they match up |
| 15:43.17 | Dongle | one might say |
| 15:43.49 | Dongle | its lower than it actually is. is ur device oc? |
| 15:44.02 | smhar | what is oc? |
| 15:44.08 | smhar | oh, no |
| 15:44.10 | Dongle | overclocked |
| 15:44.16 | Dongle | strange |
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| 15:44.23 | kerio | broken battery |
| 15:44.27 | smhar | not that I did anyway? |
| 15:44.34 | lcuk | smhar, 4 hours of idle or 4 hours of busy use? |
| 15:44.37 | ShadowJK | The maemo battery meter is somewhat inaccurate. Either it over-estimates charge level (and shows 100% forever) or underestimates it (and shows something less than 100% after you disconnect charger) |
| 15:44.41 | Dongle | yea could be a dying batteey |
| 15:45.11 | smhar | 4 hours of heavy use on and off -with idle gaps- |
| 15:45.21 | FauxFaux | Battey Graph. |
| 15:45.37 | smhar | it is a one month old N900 |
| 15:45.48 | Dongle | ive noticed it sort of overestimates for me. if i do a restart, it becomes accurate |
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| 15:47.22 | bennypr0fane | Hello, last try: can anyone recommend tools for syncing the Meamo 5 calendar OTA? I've tried syncevolution with google, but it doesn't work for me... |
| 15:48.07 | Dongle | sorry i got nothin |
| 15:48.30 | bennypr0fane | thanks Dongle |
| 15:48.47 | alterego | On two different antibiotics and I can't drink on one of them .. :( |
| 15:49.12 | Corsac | bennypr0fane: I think google calendars can be sync'ed with mail for exchange |
| 15:49.23 | Corsac | though I don't use either so I can't help |
| 15:49.31 | Corsac | (but syncevolution worked fine for me) |
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| 15:50.02 | Corsac | bennypr0fane: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync may have some help too |
| 15:50.10 | trip0 | smhar, so how do you get usb-host working? |
| 15:50.33 | dmj726_devel | jrocha: I'm having a hard time building and packaging pygoocanvas. |
| 15:51.05 | jrocha | hi dmj726_devel |
| 15:51.08 | jrocha | why is that? |
| 15:51.39 | Dongle | how |
| 15:51.50 | dmj726_devel | I get errors like this when I ty to make a debian package: http://pastebin.org/405233 |
| 15:51.56 | Dongle | anyone know how to use python-scapy? |
| 15:52.19 | hrw | Stskeeps: maep require user to zoom/pan to cache maps? no option to download ares? |
| 15:52.20 | chem|st | smhar: I just killed my device from 80% with a OTA upgrade of easydebian in 2 hours |
| 15:52.28 | hrw | s/ares/areas |
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| 15:52.46 | luke-jr | my N900 is building WebKit -.- |
| 15:52.53 | bennypr0fane | Corsac thanks, but I don't even have Mail for Exchange |
| 15:52.57 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: see you in 3 days |
| 15:52.58 | luke-jr | 285 MB memory use linking, and it's come to a stand-still |
| 15:53.10 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: that how long it takes? |
| 15:53.20 | chem|st | bennypr0fane: thats build in... |
| 15:53.24 | kerio | luke-jr: hahaha nice |
| 15:53.48 | Corsac | bennypr0fane: look in settings |
| 15:54.01 | bennypr0fane | i mean on my desktop |
| 15:54.12 | luke-jr | seriously, all it's doing is swapping |
| 15:54.20 | luke-jr | I hope it doesn't destroy the eMMC :| |
| 15:54.26 | kerio | luke-jr: ^c |
| 15:54.31 | dmj726_devel | jrocha: I know you got pygoocanvas built, so I was wondering what you did. |
| 15:54.32 | chem|st | bennypr0fane: thats a client-server thing and you don't need anything on your desktop for it |
| 15:54.32 | luke-jr | in fact, screw that... |
| 15:54.39 | luke-jr | activates external SD swap |
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| 15:54.57 | bennypr0fane | does it make sense to use MfE for syncing from the N900 if i don't use it anywhere else? |
| 15:54.59 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, beware, swap on vfat hangs |
| 15:55.05 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: it's not on vfat |
| 15:55.11 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: but it has crashed in the past |
| 15:55.30 | chem|st | bennypr0fane: why shouldn't it? |
| 15:55.33 | ShadowJK | I had biweekly I/O hang/stall with swapfile on ext3 |
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| 15:55.49 | ShadowJK | seems to have gone away either with PR1.2 or with moving to using a swap partition on microsd |
| 15:55.55 | jrocha | dmj726_devel, it might have to do with the attempt to use Python 2.3 |
| 15:55.58 | chem|st | bennypr0fane: sync with whatever you like |
| 15:56.03 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: better to hang than to destroy eMMC :\ |
| 15:56.13 | luke-jr | plus, this way I get the added benefit of faster swap :P |
| 15:56.19 | jrocha | dmj726_devel, I didn't package pygoocanvas |
| 15:56.23 | bennypr0fane | chem|st looks like i'm not understanding this right. so i can get MfE to sync with my google account? |
| 15:56.32 | jrocha | I only compiled it by the time I ported OCRFeeder to Maemo |
| 15:56.35 | chem|st | bennypr0fane: for n900 yes |
| 15:56.45 | bennypr0fane | wow |
| 15:56.55 | dmj726_devel | oh, so you didn't put it on the device with a deb? |
| 15:56.59 | chem|st | what tool you use for your desktop is another thing |
| 15:57.07 | bennypr0fane | i thotught i'd need a corporate e-amil server tot do that |
| 15:57.20 | dmj726_devel | hrm... |
| 15:57.45 | dmj726_devel | I got it to compile. |
| 15:57.59 | dmj726_devel | but the build process fails. |
| 15:58.14 | dmj726_devel | I mean building the package |
| 15:58.15 | chem|st | bennypr0fane: we use communigate so also no MS-Exchange server |
| 15:58.46 | bennypr0fane | aha |
| 15:58.58 | luke-jr | should have set ionice on it |
| 15:59.25 | bennypr0fane | is mfE supposed to be pre-installed? |
| 15:59.50 | chem|st | bennypr0fane: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync#Synchronising_with_Google |
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| 16:03.59 | bennypr0fane | thank you chem|st, this has been very helpful! |
| 16:04.38 | jrocha | dmj726_devel, yes, I think it has to do with the Python 2.3 being used |
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| 16:05.08 | jrocha | dmj726_devel, maybe lizardo might help you |
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| 16:05.19 | dmj726_devel | ok |
| 16:05.43 | madhav | ping jacekowski: |
| 16:06.53 | madhav | jacekowski: how did solve this issue make: *** [out/Release/obj.target/geni/snapshot.cc] Error 126 |
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| 16:08.28 | jacekowski | what are you trying to achieve? |
| 16:08.36 | jacekowski | and it's all published |
| 16:08.38 | madhav | building chrome |
| 16:09.08 | madhav | on maemo |
| 16:09.23 | jacekowski | there is already one build done |
| 16:09.31 | jacekowski | why are you doing it again |
| 16:09.45 | jacekowski | instead of just porting my patches to new version |
| 16:09.47 | jacekowski | or something |
| 16:09.47 | madhav | i need support for pepper plugin |
| 16:10.03 | madhav | where r the patches |
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| 16:10.52 | jacekowski | it's not going to work anyways |
| 16:11.00 | madhav | why? |
| 16:11.04 | jacekowski | it depends on features that had some problems on ARM |
| 16:11.08 | jacekowski | and i just disabled them |
| 16:11.18 | madhav | wat were they.. |
| 16:11.26 | jacekowski | most of JITs are gone |
| 16:11.34 | madhav | did u have documented it |
| 16:11.43 | jacekowski | it's all in my svn repo |
| 16:11.49 | madhav | link? |
| 16:11.58 | jacekowski | google.co.uk |
| 16:12.19 | madhav | is that the svn link> |
| 16:12.22 | madhav | ;) |
| 16:13.02 | madhav | got it |
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| 16:13.48 | madhav | jacekowski: didnt see any patches around |
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| 16:15.43 | jacekowski | that's because it's svn repository |
| 16:15.50 | jacekowski | you have to ask it to give you patches |
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| 16:20.22 | jacekowski | madhav: besides, what sort of machine do you have? |
| 16:20.48 | madhav | jacekowski: n900 and build machine is ubuntu |
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| 16:20.57 | jacekowski | i mean CPU |
| 16:21.07 | madhav | cortexa8 |
| 16:21.11 | jacekowski | on ubuntu |
| 16:21.17 | madhav | intel |
| 16:21.21 | jacekowski | speed |
| 16:21.23 | jacekowski | make and model |
| 16:21.28 | jacekowski | numbers |
| 16:21.42 | madhav | intel quad core 2ghz |
| 16:22.00 | jacekowski | yeah, that might build it in under 2h |
| 16:22.14 | madhav | it builds within 45min |
| 16:22.22 | madhav | im using gold linked |
| 16:22.28 | madhav | its pretty fast |
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| 16:22.42 | jacekowski | well, my machine builds it in under 20 minutes |
| 16:23.06 | madhav | jacekowski: ;) looks to be a super server |
| 16:23.17 | trip0 | my n900 builds it in 10mins |
| 16:23.26 | jacekowski | model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3360 @ 2.83GHz |
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| 16:23.27 | trip0 | jacekowski's mom builds it in 5 |
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| 16:23.30 | jacekowski | 4 cores |
| 16:23.46 | jacekowski | and 8 gigs of ram |
| 16:23.46 | madhav | thats a good syste, |
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| 16:52.57 | kerio | should i buy 3 or 4 mugen batteries? |
| 16:53.55 | SpeedEvil | 8! |
| 16:54.18 | nidO | none. |
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| 17:07.17 | iksaif | ~seen X-Fade |
| 17:07.20 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 35 messages. Is idling for 7h 23m 5s, last said: 'lcuk: pong'. |
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| 17:12.48 | Lateralus | Why would I receive W: GPG error: http:/blabla/bla blabla/bla Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' when I run apt-get update? |
| 17:13.48 | kerio | wtf? xchat switches tab on volup/voldwn? |
| 17:13.51 | kerio | since when? |
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| 17:16.45 | Lateralus | Does anyone know what package contains the contacts application? |
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| 17:18.45 | GAN900 | kerio, last year or so. |
| 17:19.02 | kerio | how do i enable volume keys on xchat? |
| 17:19.02 | kerio | i mean, for the *volume* |
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| 17:21.48 | GAN900 | kerio, dunno how it's implemented (plugin or app) |
| 17:22.01 | GAN900 | Camkeyd or something then use the volume keys? |
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| 17:22.15 | kerio | yeah, like the browser... |
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| 17:22.36 | kerio | but i actually have ctrl+pgup/down working here, so i don't exactly need it |
| 17:23.46 | SpeedEvil | does unbinding 'f7/f8' in the uI do anything/ |
| 17:24.21 | kerio | i did, nothing |
| 17:24.32 | kerio | hold on i'll restart xchat |
| 17:24.53 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if unbinding in the UI not releasing the keys is a bug |
| 17:25.07 | kerio | nope, still doesn't work |
| 17:25.19 | kerio | i bet it's related to that maemo plugin |
| 17:26.06 | kerio | how do i disable a plugin? |
| 17:26.28 | SpeedEvil | dunn |
| 17:26.30 | SpeedEvil | o |
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| 17:34.18 | ColdFyre | is there a better/replacement program for the built in messages application |
| 17:34.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: xchat - settings - key bindings. think it's F7/8 or somesuch. Just unbind them I guess |
| 17:35.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh, sorry for lag |
| 17:36.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: wasn't that you who did research with (shift-)F7/8? |
| 17:37.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess xchat still segfaults on shift-F7, don't like to test now |
| 17:37.22 | Zucca | Is there a way to turn off sim card/phone functionaly other than just offline mode? |
| 17:37.49 | Zucca | Sometime I'd like to have phone functionality turned off while still use WLAN. |
| 17:38.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | unplug sim? switch off phone? what is it you want to do? |
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| 17:38.19 | merlin1991 | zucca turn on phone and don't put in pin |
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| 17:38.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | there's tablet mode button app for that |
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| 17:41.06 | Zucca | DocScrutinizer51: It allows me to do that what I can archieve by not entering pin at startup without rebooting? |
| 17:42.05 | luke-jr | so my N900 is hanging with the LED green solid... any ideas? :| |
| 17:42.22 | nidO | its fully charged? |
| 17:42.26 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 17:42.35 | luke-jr | yes |
| 17:43.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: maybe it's acting_dead? |
| 17:43.17 | luke-jr | ? |
| 17:43.29 | luke-jr | it was about 600 MB swapped |
| 17:43.38 | Zucca | luke-jr: Tried to reboot already? |
| 17:43.44 | luke-jr | Zucca: just pulled the battery |
| 17:44.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: it didn't react to power button? |
| 17:44.20 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: tbh, I didn't try |
| 17:44.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | tzzz |
| 17:44.29 | Zucca | luke-jr: Ah. So you meant that nothing else was happening but led was lit green? |
| 17:44.31 | luke-jr | ps uax hung though |
| 17:44.37 | luke-jr | Zucca: yes |
| 17:44.48 | luke-jr | actually, my active sshd did echo |
| 17:44.49 | luke-jr | but nothing else |
| 17:44.59 | luke-jr | a new ssh got a TCP connect, but no data |
| 17:45.07 | luke-jr | (I gave it hours) |
| 17:45.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: insert battery, plug in charger ->same thing: grenn and doesn't do anything |
| 17:45.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh |
| 17:45.32 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: it was running last I checked :) |
| 17:45.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | ssh of course won't work on acting_dead |
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| 17:47.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | kernel oops |
| 17:48.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | check mtd with dmesg/oops-dump |
| 17:48.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | whatever it's called |
| 17:50.21 | luke-jr | can't find anything liket hat |
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| 18:00.08 | Zucca | DocScrutinizer51: Thanks for the tip btw. Celcullar Modem Control Buttons package was just exactly what I was looking for. :) |
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| 18:02.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | yw |
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| 18:07.33 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: mompls |
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| 18:08.38 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: Nokia-N900-02-8:~# cat /proc/mtd mtd2: 00040000 00020000 "log" |
| 18:08.46 | SpeedEvil | docs; no |
| 18:09.41 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# less -f /dev/mtd2 |
| 18:09.52 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: no? |
| 18:10.43 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: if it's been a kernel oops/panic, then it should show up there, no? |
| 18:11.06 | SpeedEvil | Sorry |
| 18:11.09 | SpeedEvil | contextfail |
| 18:11.18 | SpeedEvil | I was meaning I have done nothing about f7/f8 |
| 18:11.29 | SpeedEvil | i did do some playing with xchat maps - but that is solely userside |
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| 18:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | k, I'll give shift-F8 a try now :-P |
| 18:14.52 | DocScrutinizer | and booom |
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| 18:18.06 | DocScrutinizer | I fail to believe it's anything beyond just keybinding in xchat settings |
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| 18:20.54 | mgedmin | well, xchat has to set a window property to tell the system not to intercept the volume keys |
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| 18:22.53 | DocScrutinizer | yes, and changng kbd shorcuts F7/8 for page up/down from plain F7/8 to ctrl-F7/8 in xchat-settings-advanced-keybordShortcuts, then restarting xchat -> et voila: volume works during xchat. So what, gnetlemen? |
| 18:23.59 | DocScrutinizer | now how hard was it to check out THIS? o.O |
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| 18:26.41 | DocScrutinizer | mganyway thanks for explaining clearly why it needs an xchat restart to make volume keys work, after changing xchat settings |
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| 18:27.59 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless you ewant to restart xchat anyway, after doing such config change, as xchat saves config files on gracefull shutdown only. If you forget this, your changes will be lost after forced shutdown of either xchat or whole engine |
| 18:30.29 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: ^^^ see above for xchat & volume keys |
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| 18:34.29 | DocScrutinizer | LOL!! ctrl-VolUp is bound to show/hide userlist now, on my xchat |
| 18:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | ctrl-volDown works like expected |
| 18:35.32 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, menu is pretty clear about it: "User List Ctrl-F7" |
| 18:36.09 | rookie2010 | hi everyone any one knows how i can install some libraries which i need to install other package |
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| 18:36.49 | DocScrutinizer | how about `apt-get install <libname>` ? |
| 18:38.20 | DocScrutinizer | maybe do a `apt-cache search <libname>` prior to that, to find correct name |
| 18:39.38 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: hmm... volume keys here still don't work, i deleted the keybindings |
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| 18:39.43 | DocScrutinizer | but usually you shouldn't need to deal with dependecies by yourself. Acorrect package should draw all depends aiui |
| 18:39.49 | dmj726_devel | hi lizardo |
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| 18:40.14 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: too bad. I just ticked the 'ctrl' modofier |
| 18:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | maybe deleting them doesn't really work as expected? |
| 18:40.47 | kerio | now i can't even add it back because f7/f8 doesn't work |
| 18:40.52 | kerio | dunno lol |
| 18:41.57 | lizardo | dmj726_devel: hi |
| 18:42.24 | dmj726_devel | lizardo: I've been trying to port pygoocanvas and running into problems making the package for it. |
| 18:42.41 | lizardo | dmj726_devel: which kind of problems? |
| 18:42.42 | dmj726_devel | jrocha suggested you might be able to help |
| 18:43.10 | lizardo | dmj726_devel: can we move the discussion to #pymaemo ? |
| 18:44.07 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: http://paste.debian.net/80923/ HTH |
| 18:44.32 | dmj726_devel | lizardo: sure, just sent you something on #pymaemo |
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| 18:45.29 | kerio | ~wtf hth |
| 18:45.37 | kerio | it probably does |
| 18:45.41 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: ty |
| 18:45.48 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 18:46.02 | slonopotamus | ~wtf wtf |
| 18:46.04 | DocScrutinizer | checkout the 'C' first line of F7/8 |
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| 18:46.51 | slonopotamus | ~lick kerio |
| 18:46.52 | infobot | ACTION licks kerio *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
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| 18:48.09 | slonopotamus | -.- |
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| 18:50.44 | DocScrutinizer | darn |
| 18:50.48 | DocScrutinizer | None |
| 18:50.49 | DocScrutinizer | F9 |
| 18:50.51 | DocScrutinizer | Run Command |
| 18:50.52 | DocScrutinizer | D1:/GUI MENU TOGGLE |
| 18:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | D2! |
| 18:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | gives me ideas |
| 18:51.12 | DocScrutinizer | loooots of ideas |
| 18:51.34 | DocScrutinizer | /notify_mode being just one of them |
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| 18:51.48 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ^^ |
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| 18:52.02 | Dongle | hey can someone explain how the rootfs works? |
| 18:52.16 | DocScrutinizer | it roots and it systems |
| 18:52.32 | Dongle | oh ok thanks |
| 18:52.38 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 18:52.44 | Dongle | .... |
| 18:52.46 | Andy80 | why I can't see an icon in this page: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/lastgo/0.2.1-3/ ? Application icon is correctly shown in Application Manager and N900 menu.... |
| 18:53.17 | DocScrutinizer | the quality of the answer rarely is higher than the quality of the related question |
| 18:53.39 | DocScrutinizer | or simply |
| 18:53.43 | DocScrutinizer | ~question |
| 18:53.43 | infobot | it has been said that question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 18:54.39 | Dongle | how about u guys not be a holes... is there an article for that? |
| 18:54.57 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: funny |
| 18:54.58 | kerio | i meant - is there a physical button that maps to F9 on the n900? |
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| 18:55.18 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: nope |
| 18:55.37 | DocScrutinizer | but we learnt there's buttons like ctrl-F8 ;-) |
| 18:56.27 | DocScrutinizer | or even a simple ctrl-N |
| 18:56.50 | DocScrutinizer | like "NoNoNoNotificationBlieBlinking!" |
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| 18:57.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: are you sure your volume keys work after changing the keybindings? |
| 18:57.31 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 18:57.40 | kerio | they only work the first time here |
| 18:57.55 | DocScrutinizer | at least the notifier bar thingie made me *believe* |
| 18:58.07 | dmj726_devel | Dongle: quick search for "rootfs maemo" yields: http://wiki.maemo.org/Rootfs |
| 18:58.39 | DocScrutinizer | mmmk, don't work now here as well |
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| 18:59.01 | DocScrutinizer | now that's kinda funny |
| 18:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | I still hear keyclicks, and they do nothing in xchat |
| 18:59.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: you lied to me! |
| 19:00.02 | kerio | you didn't have a workaround! |
| 19:00.06 | DocScrutinizer | no, I didn't |
| 19:00.08 | kerio | cries |
| 19:00.15 | alterego | Heh |
| 19:00.23 | DocScrutinizer | I just said I seen them work |
| 19:00.38 | DocScrutinizer | I didn't say I've seen them work multiple times |
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| 19:01.42 | DocScrutinizer | weird!!! now they don't work at all, after xchat restart |
| 19:02.13 | kerio | i might as well just use them |
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| 19:02.28 | itmustbejj__ | hey all |
| 19:02.33 | DocScrutinizer | damn I've seen those buggers work |
| 19:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | FSCK |
| 19:02.44 | itmustbejj__ | is anyone here familiar with the sixad package? |
| 19:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | wonders who's latching up brokenness of volume sliders in xchat :-o |
| 19:03.09 | hno | Not me, What is it? |
| 19:03.28 | DocScrutinizer | reboots |
| 19:03.40 | itmustbejj__ | hno: it's a daemon for connecting ps3 controllers :) |
| 19:04.02 | hno | Ah, that. Sorry, have no ps3 controllers here.. |
| 19:04.38 | itmustbejj__ | I'm actually an android guy, and was wanting to learn more about that daemon for a possible port, cuz it's the last step for me having a ps3 controller on android |
| 19:05.21 | kerio | itmustbejj__: blasphemer! |
| 19:05.29 | alterego | Not sure you can do it on Android |
| 19:05.40 | kerio | why not? :o |
| 19:05.43 | itmustbejj__ | well android supports udev, so that's a start |
| 19:05.56 | hno | Hmm.. what was the scratchbox start command again? |
| 19:06.04 | alterego | I thought PS3 controllers were bluetooth |
| 19:06.13 | sheepbat | they are, alterego |
| 19:06.14 | hno | found.. |
| 19:06.28 | itmustbejj__ | I'm running a rom with full bluetooth hid support |
| 19:06.41 | kerio | wtf is a rom |
| 19:06.43 | itmustbejj__ | so it should be possible |
| 19:06.51 | Dongle | lol |
| 19:06.53 | sheepbat | they require being plugged in to pair though |
| 19:07.16 | alterego | itmustbejj_If you can port the sixaxis handling stuff to a c library (may already be of that f form) you can probably build it for android, then you'll need to write an app in java to start/stop the daemon I'm guessing |
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| 19:07.39 | hno | itmustbejj__: It's not a HID device iirc. |
| 19:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: now THAT *IS* a bug. It works exactly one keyclick either vol-up or down, after reboot |
| 19:07.48 | itmustbejj__ | well it is and it isn't |
| 19:08.01 | itmustbejj__ | hno: it doesn't support traditional bluetooth pairing |
| 19:08.03 | BCMM | how can i manually focus the camera? |
| 19:08.22 | BCMM | (on the n900) |
| 19:08.23 | kerio | after reboot? |
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| 19:08.27 | kerio | of xchat? |
| 19:08.30 | kerio | BCMM: lfocus |
| 19:08.33 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: lfocus |
| 19:08.40 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: zing |
| 19:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: reboot of maemo |
| 19:08.48 | itmustbejj__ | on any other platform: linux desktop, maemo, winmo that have implementations you have to hook it up to a desktop/laptop and set it to the bluetooth mac addy of the phone |
| 19:08.59 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: zing |
| 19:09.03 | kerio | er |
| 19:09.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: huh |
| 19:09.19 | kerio | they work after a restart of xchat here |
| 19:09.20 | kerio | once |
| 19:09.21 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, HUH?! |
| 19:09.31 | itmustbejj__ | alterego: maemo.org says sixad is triggered by udev |
| 19:09.37 | kerio | and they still work on other applications |
| 19:10.19 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: you're right. But wasn't like this before I rebooted |
| 19:10.30 | kerio | what does shift+space do? |
| 19:10.39 | kerio | just space? |
| 19:10.43 | DocScrutinizer | here it expands nicks |
| 19:10.50 | kerio | oh |
| 19:10.51 | kerio | cool |
| 19:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | in xchat |
| 19:11.13 | kerio | another thing that's completely replaced by my kbd remap |
| 19:11.14 | BCMM | also, what is the closest you can focus the camera? |
| 19:11.25 | kerio | i have tab on fn+bksp |
| 19:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: ~10cm iirc |
| 19:12.23 | lcukn900 | if you listen to the youtube comments it can focus at 2mm |
| 19:12.29 | alterego | itmustbejj__: well, grab the sourcec and have a look :P |
| 19:12.29 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: sounds lovely |
| 19:12.44 | DocScrutinizer | lcukn900: muhaha |
| 19:12.51 | kerio | it's epic |
| 19:13.02 | kerio | esc is on shift+fn+bksp |
| 19:13.05 | DocScrutinizer | no it does that with the proximity sensor in reverse gear |
| 19:13.25 | kerio | although i guess that reversed tab is important |
| 19:13.26 | itmustbejj__ | alterego: do you know where I might look to find it? All I've found so far are .installer packages |
| 19:13.28 | Dongle | anybody had success using the ir for a remote? |
| 19:13.43 | kerio | i could put esc on... shift+space? |
| 19:14.19 | DocScrutinizer | I'd love to have esc on sym-bs aka ctrl-ctrl-bs |
| 19:14.40 | kerio | you can map sym? |
| 19:14.45 | DocScrutinizer | it's such a waste to have no special hw key meanings/mapping in sym mode |
| 19:14.53 | DocScrutinizer | alas you can't |
| 19:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | at least I wouldn't know of a way to do, without massive driver tweaks |
| 19:15.52 | itmustbejj__ | alterego: nm found it |
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| 19:16.21 | kerio | how does russian do, with 8 chars on each button? |
| 19:16.32 | DocScrutinizer | no idea |
| 19:16.42 | Dongle | they drink vodka |
| 19:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | ask the Russioans here in this chan |
| 19:16.51 | kerio | i was thinking of *more* remaps |
| 19:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ^^^^? |
| 19:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | iirc Russian is the only double keymap switchable with ctrl-space that actually works |
| 19:17.47 | kerio | hmm... i bet fn+return isn't mapped |
| 19:17.55 | kerio | ooh |
| 19:18.01 | kerio | two keymaps |
| 19:18.03 | kerio | awesome |
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| 19:18.12 | kerio | i could use that |
| 19:18.33 | kerio | screw this, i'm using an external keyboard |
| 19:18.38 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: then FIX IT! :-P |
| 19:18.53 | kerio | i bet it's related to the dumn UI |
| 19:18.57 | kerio | dumb |
| 19:19.15 | kerio | nah, i'd just move my keymaps to russian |
| 19:19.23 | DocScrutinizer | there are a lot of people who'd like to have two arbitrary maybe even proprietary keymaps, switchable by ctrl-space |
| 19:19.34 | hno | itmustbejj__: git://github.com/smokku/sixaxis-support.git |
| 19:19.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: move everything to russian, set russian kbd |
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| 19:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: I don't care if I have to set that stinky settings-gui-setting to "Russian kbd" as long as it in reality does what *I* want |
| 19:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: :D hehe |
| 19:20.57 | DocScrutinizer | see how slow my typing, I started before your last line |
| 19:21.14 | kerio | it's not hard |
| 19:21.14 | kerio | i'll probably do it |
| 19:21.14 | kerio | although... |
| 19:21.30 | kerio | fn+return for escape, add some more symbols... |
| 19:21.42 | kerio | i think i can get away with just one |
| 19:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | BS HELL goddamn die fsck! xchat crap!! |
| 19:21.58 | Dongle | why do u need to remap? |
| 19:21.59 | kerio | lol |
| 19:22.10 | FredrIQ | uh, so ctrl+enter is actually the thing that enables 2-charset-thing... |
| 19:22.11 | kerio | Dongle: more symbols |
| 19:22.13 | DocScrutinizer | /nitify_mode -L seems isn't persistent |
| 19:22.19 | FredrIQ | that was useful information |
| 19:22.23 | Dongle | what do u need symbols for? |
| 19:22.40 | kerio | Dongle: write symbols |
| 19:23.01 | kerio | it's a device for unix nerds with no | button |
| 19:23.02 | DocScrutinizer | crtl-enter afaik is the thing that switches to fullscreen in xterm, xchat... |
| 19:23.11 | Dongle | i see |
| 19:23.23 | kerio | :| |
| 19:23.31 | kerio | plus, the sym vk sucks |
| 19:23.41 | DocScrutinizer | donkey balls |
| 19:23.51 | Dongle | how do u target ppl to talk to them directly in xchat? |
| 19:24.07 | kerio | first few letters then tab |
| 19:24.24 | Dongle | ok thanks |
| 19:24.46 | Dongle | i dont have a tab |
| 19:24.49 | kerio | Dongle: exactly |
| 19:24.53 | kerio | so you see |
| 19:25.06 | Dongle | whats tab on the n900 |
| 19:25.32 | FredrIQ | uhm |
| 19:25.38 | FredrIQ | shift+space works in xchat |
| 19:25.48 | frals | ctrl i |
| 19:25.58 | FredrIQ | but, tab doesn't exists in the layout per default |
| 19:26.14 | itmustbejj__ | hno: thanks |
| 19:26.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | ctrrl-i is just an xterm keymapping |
| 19:27.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | xchat won't take ctrl-i as tab |
| 19:28.20 | kerio | my awesome remapping 1 - nokia 0 |
| 19:30.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonders where's the xmodmap-GUI. There should be such thing, really |
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| 19:35.52 | FredrIQ | remapped Q to tab once before |
| 19:36.19 | FredrIQ | (q isn't used at all in my locale) |
| 19:36.35 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 19:37.01 | FredrIQ | except in some names |
| 19:37.05 | DocScrutinizer | what a weird locale is that, and do you never ask @estions on IRC? |
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| 19:37.12 | FredrIQ | i do |
| 19:37.20 | FredrIQ | fn+c->q |
| 19:37.22 | FredrIQ | :) |
| 19:37.29 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 19:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | fair enough |
| 19:37.34 | FredrIQ | Q exists, but only in the alphabet |
| 19:37.37 | FredrIQ | swe |
| 19:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | I c |
| 19:37.50 | Kegetys | I remapped å to tab |
| 19:38.25 | DocScrutinizer | I dreamt of a keymap-WYSIWYG editor |
| 19:38.39 | FredrIQ | do one! |
| 19:38.44 | Gizmokid2005 | DocScrutinizer: Feature req? :P |
| 19:39.02 | DocScrutinizer | so everybody would just *shrug* on statements like these, and point you to the editor |
| 19:39.11 | FredrIQ | heh |
| 19:39.22 | FredrIQ | btw, doesn't tilde work? |
| 19:39.33 | FredrIQ | or is it just fn+smth that make tilde fail? |
| 19:39.47 | FredrIQ | i use asciitilde atm, but dead tilde would be awesome |
| 19:39.55 | Gizmokid2005 | `` <-- wfm FredrIQ |
| 19:39.56 | DocScrutinizer | just like "I made my alive notifier LED blink blue-red, twice a second" |
| 19:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | so what, use notification LED editor app |
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| 19:40.15 | FredrIQ | ~ = Fn+z |
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| 19:42.43 | DocScrutinizer | then we could resort to more exciting topics here, like creating a rainbow indicator, or mapping ctrl-ctrl-bs to esc |
| 19:42.56 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: write one |
| 19:43.26 | DocScrutinizer | why me??? I'm the system architect and consultant and hw EE duse. Not the coder monkey ;-P |
| 19:44.03 | DocScrutinizer | still consider doing a lil python fancy. kbd mapper ditor looks simple enough to get it right in one day |
| 19:44.06 | FredrIQ | cannot code in any not-fail language except PHP - that would not really help now |
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| 19:44.29 | sp3000 | giggles a not-fail vs php |
| 19:44.32 | sp3000 | at, too |
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| 19:45.15 | FredrIQ | meh, PHP is still waay better than mIRC-scripting |
| 19:45.24 | andrewfblack | konttori: Ping |
| 19:45.30 | konttori | pong |
| 19:45.33 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: you have 37 keys to map |
| 19:45.34 | kerio | go |
| 19:45.34 | DocScrutinizer | just for sentimental old times when I actually was the coder monkey as well |
| 19:45.34 | sp3000 | heh |
| 19:45.44 | sp3000 | I'll admit I haven't experienced the latter |
| 19:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: I actually give a shit how many keys. I have to code exactly one class |
| 19:46.06 | andrewfblack | konttori: Any idea when Theme Maker will be updated to 1.2? Havn't seen a release yet and was thinking of releasing some themes on Ovi |
| 19:46.22 | DocScrutinizer | maybe two, a second one for the qualifier keys |
| 19:46.48 | konttori | hmm... I could do it now. What was your email? I could send it to you for pre-test. |
| 19:46.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: i know |
| 19:46.48 | kerio | i was just saying |
| 19:47.06 | FredrIQ | 37... |
| 19:47.09 | DrGrov | konttori: How about NuvoFre? Will it become finished some day? :) |
| 19:47.21 | konttori | DrGrov: I updated a version just yesterday |
| 19:47.31 | FredrIQ | it is 38 |
| 19:47.39 | DocScrutinizer | 41 |
| 19:47.40 | FredrIQ | minus volkeys, pwr, camera |
| 19:47.41 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 19:47.47 | konttori | DrGrov: did you have issues with it, or why did you ask? |
| 19:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | or even 42 |
| 19:47.59 | FredrIQ | what a coincidence |
| 19:48.03 | kerio | can't remap pwr or camkey |
| 19:48.04 | DrGrov | konttori: I just waited to see whether it will be a finished theme or will it continue to develop?' |
| 19:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: that's what I meant |
| 19:48.42 | FredrIQ | ok, 40 then |
| 19:48.48 | DocScrutinizer | lock slider |
| 19:48.51 | FredrIQ | hm, does the slider count as a buttom? |
| 19:48.51 | DocScrutinizer | is a key |
| 19:48.55 | FredrIQ | ah |
| 19:48.58 | andrewfblack | konttori: andrewfblack@gmail.com |
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| 19:49.35 | DocScrutinizer | plus I think even slide and lens cover are keys :-P So 44 |
| 19:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | err 43 |
| 19:50.04 | FredrIQ | "slide" |
| 19:50.10 | FredrIQ | what slide |
| 19:50.15 | DocScrutinizer | kbd slide |
| 19:50.20 | FredrIQ | ah |
| 19:50.22 | FredrIQ | lol |
| 19:50.33 | FredrIQ | let's remap it |
| 19:50.41 | FredrIQ | nokia programs will be happy |
| 19:50.45 | sp3000 | let's make it Q |
| 19:50.49 | kerio | and you can't even remap shift/fn/ctrl |
| 19:50.50 | kerio | at least, i think |
| 19:50.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: you can't remap those |
| 19:50.50 | kerio | and the camkey is *two* keys |
| 19:50.50 | kerio | let's remap the whole touchscreen |
| 19:51.10 | FredrIQ | make a shuffler! |
| 19:51.19 | FredrIQ | that remaps the touchscreen to randomly |
| 19:51.33 | FredrIQ | very useful indeed |
| 19:51.46 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: I can't remap sh/Fn/ctrl but nevertheless I have to deal with them |
| 19:52.14 | FredrIQ | hm |
| 19:52.28 | FredrIQ | having 2 keysets available |
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| 19:53.17 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: you don't |
| 19:53.17 | kerio | you deal with up to 4 levels for each key |
| 19:53.36 | FredrIQ | up to 8! |
| 19:53.41 | FredrIQ | : < |
| 19:53.51 | FredrIQ | er |
| 19:53.57 | FredrIQ | yeah, fac 8 of course |
| 19:54.29 | kerio | well, for the russian layout |
| 19:54.37 | FredrIQ | well |
| 19:54.43 | FredrIQ | it's just a setting |
| 19:54.44 | FredrIQ | it seem |
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| 19:54.54 | FredrIQ | couldn't be that hard to make for other layouts |
| 19:55.06 | kerio | the ui is dumb though |
| 19:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: in WYSIWYG editor I deal with 35 normal keys plus three qualifier keys that can be checked/unchecked |
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| 19:55.55 | DocScrutinizer | plus maybe two layers, one for orininal and one for alternate keymap |
| 19:55.59 | kerio | with other layouts, you switch dictionaries |
| 19:56.03 | DocScrutinizer | (aka ctrl-space) |
| 19:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | yes, dicts and keymaps are synced |
| 19:56.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: *two* qualifiers |
| 19:56.34 | kerio | ctrl is not a qualifier |
| 19:56.36 | DocScrutinizer | why not 3 ?? |
| 19:56.39 | kerio | it's a mute |
| 19:56.41 | DocScrutinizer | sure it is |
| 19:56.47 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
| 19:57.00 | FredrIQ | kerio, it's just a line that differs russian from other, except the chars |
| 19:57.04 | kerio | ctrl+n is not a character |
| 19:57.14 | FredrIQ | that turn on 2x-charset |
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| 19:57.36 | DocScrutinizer | as long as you accept ctrl as the original qualifier meaning |
| 19:58.16 | kerio | what? |
| 19:58.39 | DocScrutinizer | dunno how keymaps work exactly, had to look into them. But in theory you can assign "hello world!" to ctrl-shift-enter |
| 19:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | so ctrl clearly is a qualifier |
| 19:59.26 | kerio | huh |
| 19:59.32 | DocScrutinizer | see ctrl-shift-P for printscreen |
| 19:59.43 | kerio | you can't set that in a keymap |
| 20:00.06 | DocScrutinizer | maybe not in a keymap, that's why [2010-07-19 21:58:38] <DocScrutinizer> dunno how keymaps work exactly, had to look into them. |
| 20:02.20 | DocScrutinizer | a generic keymapper utility would work with raw key-down/up codes and allow arbitrary 2-key mappings and (due to hw limitations) a selected number of 3-key mappings |
| 20:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | and the best of those mapper utilities I've seen or built myself in the past, had even things like shift-altGR-scrollLock=start/stop macro recording, where on end of macro recording you'd assig the macro to next key-combo you press |
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| 20:05.35 | kerio | lame and boring |
| 20:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | now for N900 we obviously should select better keys than scrollLock or altGr |
| 20:06.13 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: that's xmodmap |
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| 20:06.47 | kerio | or whatever |
| 20:06.47 | kerio | but it's an external program |
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| 20:10.34 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: man xmodmap didn't tell me how to record macros |
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| 20:11.14 | kerio | that's where you kick in |
| 20:11.29 | FredrIQ | <DocScrutinizer> now for N900 we obviously should select better keys than scrollLock or altGr |
| 20:11.35 | FredrIQ | Fn actually is alt+gr |
| 20:12.02 | DocScrutinizer | yep, seems you got a point there |
| 20:13.05 | kerio | that's where you kick in |
| 20:13.38 | kerio | gaah |
| 20:13.38 | kerio | stupid n900 |
| 20:13.38 | kerio | you could also ignore the issue |
| 20:13.39 | kerio | nobody needs macros |
| 20:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | on a totally unrelated sidenode, CA-146C dongle can be used to charge N900 with input voltages as low as 3V |
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| 20:14.02 | kerio | what dongle? |
| 20:14.25 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: exactly, but everybody wants a nice WYSIWYG editor for keymaps |
| 20:14.40 | kerio | not with macros! |
| 20:14.52 | kerio | you want to edit the keymap file |
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| 20:14.53 | DocScrutinizer | lol, mentioning CA-146C made DrGrov go offline?? |
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| 20:15.32 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: I didn't say the m-word in conjunction with WYSIWYG editor |
| 20:16.24 | DocScrutinizer | though afaik you actually can assign multi-'char' sequences to keys, in keymaps |
| 20:17.09 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: in fact Fx keys are multi-char |
| 20:17.24 | DocScrutinizer | something like ~[4 |
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| 20:17.58 | DocScrutinizer | but wait, that's probably xmodmap again |
| 20:18.31 | DocScrutinizer | so, cooked key input, not raw keycodes |
| 20:18.45 | DocScrutinizer | damn that keybord stuff is confusing |
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| 20:19.08 | frikinz | Hi everyone, on diable, how can I get a way to run a command as root, easily (without xterm) like with an icon. personal launcher says "rootsh is a security risk blabla.." |
| 20:19.48 | DocScrutinizer | sudo <your-cms> |
| 20:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | and adapt /etc/sudoers so the command is allowed without password query |
| 20:21.01 | frikinz | ah so that works. and in personal launcher I call "sudo cmd" ? ok I thought sudo did not work. |
| 20:21.10 | frikinz | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 20:21.15 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 20:21.41 | DocScrutinizer | hope it actually works |
| 20:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 20:23.00 | parim | is there a meego room? |
| 20:23.02 | frikinz | I'm leaving for a business trip for a month and my girlfriend has no clue about xterm. the n800 is used as a samba client to play the music which is hosted on a PC |
| 20:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | sudo should work, as sudo gainroot is supposed to work |
| 20:23.45 | Stskeeps | parim: #meego |
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| 20:23.58 | user_ | how do you install whois? |
| 20:24.03 | DocScrutinizer | and in fact installing rootsh does simply add a line to /etc/sudoers |
| 20:24.40 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 20:25.29 | DocScrutinizer | user_: apt-get install whois? |
| 20:25.48 | user_ | doesnt find it |
| 20:25.59 | DocScrutinizer | then probably it's not there |
| 20:26.02 | user_ | didnt root replace rootsh |
| 20:26.32 | user_ | what would be fookin cool is xcalib on maemo |
| 20:26.34 | DocScrutinizer | root is the command supposed to replace the rotsh command coming with package rootsh |
| 20:26.39 | frikinz | hum nice I already have a line "user ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" I wonder how this arrived here |
| 20:26.52 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 20:26.53 | FredrIQ | how can i get rid of OOo in the debian img? what files to remove? |
| 20:27.27 | FredrIQ | (as it isn't installed as a package that can just be removed) |
| 20:27.32 | frikinz | but who cares about the security of a device like this. I'm sure it's full of security holes |
| 20:27.38 | DocScrutinizer | frikinz: don't forget to check / update your SElinux settings ;-P |
| 20:28.07 | DocScrutinizer | frikinz: actually it shouldn't |
| 20:28.27 | DocScrutinizer | but yeah, this is a bit.. err, odd |
| 20:28.44 | user_ | so no whois on maemo? |
| 20:29.14 | DocScrutinizer | if you really care, you install ssh server/client metapkg and remove rootsh :-) |
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| 20:29.39 | jacekowski | maemo is full of security holes |
| 20:29.50 | user_ | to me DocScrutinizer? |
| 20:29.54 | FredrIQ | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 20:29.56 | FredrIQ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.02 | FredrIQ | whois seems to exists yea |
| 20:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: no, OpenEmbedded is realy full of security holes |
| 20:30.08 | frikinz | playing with fragrouter against the n800 was quite funny. after 10 seconds, the tcp/ip stack was _dead_ |
| 20:30.14 | user_ | not sure what ssh has to do with whois |
| 20:30.23 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, remote code execution is bad enough |
| 20:30.27 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: on maemo |
| 20:30.33 | alterego | Managed to compile and flash a kernel. That's phase one ... |
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| 20:31.06 | frommyphone | FredrIQ: how do i install it? |
| 20:31.24 | Funnyface | what is the max total capacity of an EDGE base station when multiple users use it? |
| 20:31.28 | FredrIQ | sudo apt-get install whois |
| 20:31.29 | alterego | Are there any reasons to not use my "custom" kernel over the one in the fiasco? |
| 20:31.35 | jacekowski | Funnyface: depends |
| 20:31.38 | Funnyface | I know that it's 230kbit or so per user, but what's the total capacity |
| 20:31.46 | jacekowski | Funnyface: 8 users on one frequency |
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| 20:31.47 | alterego | Or should they operate identically with rx51 defconfig? |
| 20:31.53 | frommyphone | says no suck pkg FredrIQ |
| 20:32.01 | frommyphone | such* |
| 20:32.05 | FredrIQ | hmm |
| 20:32.10 | FredrIQ | maybe it's in devel |
| 20:32.25 | DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: no simple answer |
| 20:32.25 | jacekowski | Funnyface: but one basestation operates on multiple frequencies |
| 20:32.27 | frommyphone | ohhh |
| 20:32.38 | jacekowski | Funnyface: but number of frequencies is undefined |
| 20:32.40 | Funnyface | hmm oki, because I notice that I get a stable 22k/s on EDGE when I am in any area with good UMTS/HSDPA coverage, but as soon as I get into rural areas where only EDGE is available, it gets really bad |
| 20:32.50 | frommyphone | how to quickly enable/disable devel from cmdline? |
| 20:32.54 | Funnyface | as in even patient people like me get impatient :P |
| 20:33.08 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: you need matching modules |
| 20:33.20 | FredrIQ | dunno, always have it activated (NO, don't complain, i know what i risk, and i know what i must do if something fail) |
| 20:33.29 | jacekowski | Funnyface: these transmitters ussualy have only radio uplink |
| 20:33.44 | Funnyface | hmm |
| 20:33.54 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: oh, but everything seems to be working? |
| 20:34.08 | jacekowski | Funnyface: 3g requires little bit more than just slow radio uplink |
| 20:34.12 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: lucky you |
| 20:34.42 | frommyphone | lol never used irssi on here before |
| 20:34.45 | frommyphone | pretty leet |
| 20:34.46 | alterego | Heh, I would have thought same kernel source? and gcc version would be good enough ... |
| 20:34.48 | Funnyface | yeah I know, it's just a little annoying that EDGE works fine where it is not needed, and doesn't work any well at all where it is needed the most |
| 20:34.52 | FredrIQ | irssi is nice |
| 20:34.59 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: try a modprobe to some arbitrary shit that usually should succeed |
| 20:35.01 | frikinz | Cool it works. Thanks DocScrutinizer for reminding me sudo and for secretly changing my sudoers file |
| 20:35.07 | frikinz | :) |
| 20:35.16 | FredrIQ | Prefer xchat, it's nice to have an UI, but i like irssi |
| 20:35.16 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 20:35.39 | jacekowski | alterego: kernel does a lot of sanity checks before loading module |
| 20:35.44 | DocScrutinizer | frikinz: we do everything to keep you happy |
| 20:35.47 | jacekowski | alterego: and you probably ended up with tainted kernel now |
| 20:36.00 | Funnyface | for example, in this village I was in 2 weeks ago, I got an unstable ~7k/s, where it kept randomly cutting off all transmissions for 30 secs or so, with 3 signal strength bars :P |
| 20:36.24 | jacekowski | voice has priority over data |
| 20:36.36 | frikinz | are there some people still using xmms on n800 or 770? |
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| 20:36.57 | DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: that's related |
| 20:37.08 | frommyphone | xmms!? |
| 20:37.09 | frommyphone | cool |
| 20:37.21 | Funnyface | indeed, I just wish it would allow less slots instead of dropping me completely |
| 20:37.35 | jacekowski | you always get one slot |
| 20:37.39 | Funnyface | I mean, instead of having 7k/s on and off half of the time, I'd rather have a stable 3.5k/s :P |
| 20:37.43 | alterego | DocScrutinizer, jacekowski managed to load and unload usbtest. The kernel config is untouched, I'm using rx51_defconfig .. |
| 20:38.01 | jacekowski | Funnyface: it's uplink that was too slow probably |
| 20:38.37 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: probably as long as you don't change kernel version, the version magic will be happy |
| 20:38.56 | alterego | That's what I was thinking ... |
| 20:38.57 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: and ABI shouln't change |
| 20:39.09 | jacekowski | there are things that change it |
| 20:39.19 | Funnyface | oh well I think I will sign up with this 450MHz CDMA provider |
| 20:39.26 | Funnyface | just too bad the SIM card won't work in our N900s |
| 20:39.32 | alterego | Probably bad form if I plan on modifying usb sources... |
| 20:39.34 | Funnyface | but they offer wifi modems :P |
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| 20:39.51 | DocScrutinizer | the SIM card will, just the N900 modem won't work on 450MHz |
| 20:39.54 | jacekowski | alterego: what are you trying to break? |
| 20:40.09 | alterego | jacekowski: I fancied poking with host mode. |
| 20:40.20 | jacekowski | well, it's working now |
| 20:40.23 | alterego | I've got a little kernel dev experience. |
| 20:40.24 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: musb_core is monolitic |
| 20:40.25 | jacekowski | so what are you breaking? |
| 20:40.29 | frommyphone | the gps seems to be the most lacking |
| 20:40.32 | DocScrutinizer | compiled in |
| 20:40.39 | frommyphone | on the N900 |
| 20:40.51 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: good point |
| 20:40.53 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: you can always force driver to release device |
| 20:40.55 | frommyphone | it lags behind everyone elses it seems |
| 20:41.03 | Funnyface | I can carry this box around in my pocket, along with my N900.. :P http://images.gfx.no/699/699114/ice-251x216.jpg |
| 20:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: even compiled-in ones? |
| 20:41.11 | jacekowski | yes |
| 20:41.14 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: I just don't want to f*ck my device ;) |
| 20:41.32 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: you will, nevertheless |
| 20:41.37 | DocScrutinizer | eventually you will |
| 20:41.49 | jacekowski | these driver still have everything required to support module loading/unloading |
| 20:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | prapre for reflashing, anytime |
| 20:42.02 | alterego | jacekowski: that's not what I heard, I thought there were only a select fews that managed to get it working. |
| 20:42.03 | jacekowski | so you can trigger module unload function in it |
| 20:42.18 | jacekowski | which would cause it to release device |
| 20:42.28 | jacekowski | and your new driver could tak over from there |
| 20:42.43 | jacekowski | or you could end up with kernel panic |
| 20:42.44 | DocScrutinizer | heard "echo moofoo >/sys/moofoo/unload" |
| 20:42.47 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: well, as long as I don't use my user data I don't mind reflashing. I also backup weekly so :) |
| 20:42.56 | frommyphone | how close are we to usb host mode |
| 20:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | idly starts a backup |
| 20:43.07 | frommyphone | i wana use an ultra usb-gps doggle |
| 20:43.21 | jacekowski | frommyphone: that's not going to work |
| 20:43.33 | jacekowski | frommyphone: it requires a lot more power than n900 can deliver |
| 20:43.43 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: sure?? |
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| 20:43.47 | jacekowski | gps? |
| 20:43.54 | jacekowski | that always requires loads of power |
| 20:43.59 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 20:44.05 | SpeedEvil | not really |
| 20:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, then use a Y-cable :-P |
| 20:44.16 | SpeedEvil | I get 18 hous of logging with GPS |
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| 20:44.28 | jacekowski | in n95 you can easily feel it warm up keyboard |
| 20:44.29 | DocScrutinizer | on N900 |
| 20:44.37 | jacekowski | as it's under 0 key |
| 20:44.52 | DocScrutinizer | that would be evidently <100mA then |
| 20:45.02 | jacekowski | and these sticks are probably not the most efficient ones |
| 20:45.02 | DocScrutinizer | @4V |
| 20:45.04 | frommyphone | yeah but n900 gps isnt great |
| 20:45.15 | frommyphone | takes so long to update |
| 20:45.21 | jacekowski | frommyphone: not really |
| 20:45.33 | frommyphone | like when im riding the bus and want to get off on the right stop |
| 20:45.34 | jacekowski | frommyphone: it does like 4 samples per second |
| 20:45.44 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen t-tan |
| 20:45.47 | infobot | t-tan <~tanner@e179094244.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 38d 1h 4m 48s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'. |
| 20:45.47 | SpeedEvil | I've never seen it do >1 |
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| 20:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | wtf? |
| 20:45.59 | SpeedEvil | Oh no! |
| 20:46.02 | SpeedEvil | he caught fire! |
| 20:46.16 | DocScrutinizer | famous last words |
| 20:47.14 | DocScrutinizer | frommyphone: once it has a fix, N900 GPS isn't bad |
| 20:47.56 | DocScrutinizer | frommyphone: the crux is it might take ages TTFF, without 3G data |
| 20:48.20 | jacekowski | well, with 3g data while moving 70mph |
| 20:48.26 | jacekowski | that's not going to happe |
| 20:48.27 | jacekowski | n |
| 20:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | with 3G data (or 2G) it's a matter of ~15s |
| 20:48.50 | jacekowski | try doing same thing while on a train |
| 20:48.56 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: sure? |
| 20:48.57 | jacekowski | that's doing 70mph or more |
| 20:49.30 | ds3 | even at 35mph if you are in a spotty area, it takes forever to get a lock (even with 2G or 3G) |
| 20:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, maybe GPS has real problems getting FF while moving fast |
| 20:50.15 | jacekowski | well, there are some things that don't help |
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| 20:50.38 | jacekowski | 70mph+ and steel roof |
| 20:50.49 | alterego | ds3: I don't have that issue, travelling 70mph get a lock in usually under 30s |
| 20:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | that's somewhat natural, as GPS is listening to several channels to spot a predicted signal, if it does then the sat is found and locked. But if you're moving fast the signal will be quite different to the pattern it's looking for |
| 20:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | the A part of GPS is basically to reduce the set of signal patterns to look for |
| 20:52.39 | alterego | I think that's only really true for sats in front and behind. Though I don't know much about GPS signals. |
| 20:53.13 | SpeedEvil | It's true for all really |
| 20:53.30 | SpeedEvil | due to various factos - such as multipath |
| 20:53.41 | alterego | I can't see velocity adversely affecting signal from sats to your sides. |
| 20:53.53 | SpeedEvil | in a clear sky - no |
| 20:54.09 | jacekowski | alterego: doppler effect |
| 20:54.11 | SpeedEvil | It however affects reflections of rapidly appearing and dissapearing objects |
| 20:54.17 | alterego | I actually really like the GPS on the N900 performance wise |
| 20:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | well, even then. Isn't that code diversity signalling on one frequency? |
| 20:54.38 | alterego | Okay, yeah get that. clouds trees and such |
| 20:54.46 | jacekowski | alterego: gps is based on doppler effect and any fast movement will mess it up |
| 20:55.06 | alterego | I guess I'm lucky living in a boring flat sparsely populated area :) |
| 20:55.11 | SpeedEvil | GPS is jsut fine - when locked - at up to several kilometers a second |
| 20:55.37 | SpeedEvil | It's during certain types of lock it reauires an un-corrupt signal from the satellites to lock to in some cases. |
| 20:55.54 | SpeedEvil | Especially when it's not doing the AGPS thing |
| 20:56.01 | DocScrutinizer | cause when it is, a sat in front would somewhat mangle the signals from sats aside of you as well |
| 20:56.42 | alterego | Interesting |
| 20:56.58 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes - ut's a 1024 point spreading code. With different psuedorandom signals for eachsat. |
| 20:57.07 | alterego | I should look into the workings of GPS I find it all very interesting :) |
| 20:57.12 | SpeedEvil | repeating at 1.024KHz |
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| 20:57.14 | SpeedEvil | MHz |
| 20:57.23 | SpeedEvil | the chip rate that is. |
| 20:57.32 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 20:57.39 | alterego | I also need to work a bit more on my "navigation tool" |
| 20:57.56 | DocScrutinizer | so one completely 'off' signal would ruin the whole pot, no? |
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| 20:58.32 | SpeedEvil | no - all the signals go into a kalman filter or similar, and out pops a position/velocity solution |
| 20:58.52 | DocScrutinizer | lemme put it this way: you can spoil GPS with just one jamming transmitter |
| 20:59.31 | frikinz | http://www.phrack.org/issues.html?issue=60&id=13 |
| 20:59.32 | DocScrutinizer | you don't need to jam each sat in vicinity separately |
| 21:00.08 | frommyphone | and |
| 21:00.11 | frommyphone | oops |
| 21:00.28 | SpeedEvil | http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/gps/gps_f.html |
| 21:00.35 | SpeedEvil | GPS overview - quite good |
| 21:00.45 | frommyphone | does the softqare matter so much on the n900 for gps performance? |
| 21:02.10 | alterego | bsg fansite? |
| 21:02.15 | alterego | chuckles |
| 21:02.53 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 21:03.26 | alterego | f*cking vodafone content control. |
| 21:03.39 | alterego | SpeedEvil: phrack.org, heh |
| 21:04.39 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 21:05.00 | DocScrutinizer | BS!!! N900 shut down with bells and whistles on bat low, without ANY prior warning, and even while connected to charger (which incidentally wasn't detected and I didn't notice) |
| 21:05.03 | SpeedEvil | alterego: you can turn that off |
| 21:05.09 | DocScrutinizer | GRRRRR |
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| 21:05.49 | Psi | anyone else found their n900 flat for no reason? |
| 21:06.12 | frommyphone | mine dies a lot |
| 21:06.14 | ShadowJK | it goes "bong" on batlow shutdown, unless the bong is swapped out :) |
| 21:06.26 | Psi | mine was charged last night and running fine, went to bed and this morning it was dead. tried to turn it on, it booted up but then made a rather strange death sound and died again |
| 21:06.28 | DocScrutinizer | always there's a reason. Just you're not knowing it |
| 21:06.36 | Psi | checked battery, 3.4V, so now its on charged |
| 21:06.46 | frommyphone | no idea how nexus gets updated to get so much better bat life |
| 21:06.46 | alterego | SpeedEvil: I'd rather not, reminds me to use a proxy when I'm looking at dodgy stuff ;) |
| 21:07.34 | FredrIQ | well, DocScrutinizer, at least you can still do things in like 5s |
| 21:07.38 | alterego | I think you should have a look at what's running on you phone ... |
| 21:07.55 | frommyphone | me? |
| 21:08.00 | alterego | My N900 runs for a couple of days with my "normal" usage. |
| 21:08.04 | FredrIQ | perfectly for noticing common chat channel that you're out. :D |
| 21:08.09 | frommyphone | you mean the idle stuff? |
| 21:08.10 | Psi | alterego: yeah, same |
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| 21:08.32 | alterego | fromyeah |
| 21:09.00 | ShadowJK | mine does a day or two with occasional gps and 1-2 hours of camera use (tourist use, I guess) |
| 21:09.06 | Psi | dunno why it ran flat during the night, something must have crashed and used 100%cpu |
| 21:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: mine did a "pioouuuu goblegoble", no "bong" |
| 21:09.34 | Psi | i wonder if it was my smbmount |
| 21:09.46 | Psi | the pc that was mounted was turned off before i went to bed |
| 21:09.54 | Psi | but the n900 still had it mounted |
| 21:10.12 | SpeedEvil | The noise it makes is wierd on battery off. |
| 21:10.15 | ShadowJK | iirc that does crazy things |
| 21:10.19 | SpeedEvil | Sort of explosion in a bell factory |
| 21:10.27 | Psi | haha yeah, thats what it sounded like |
| 21:10.58 | Psi | do you know if that sound is just a wav in the folder or hardcoded in somewhere? |
| 21:11.01 | Psi | id like to hear it again |
| 21:11.10 | DocScrutinizer | Psi: USB mounts lock CPU @ 500 I heard |
| 21:11.21 | Psi | na, this was mounted over wifi |
| 21:11.30 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
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| 21:11.40 | SpeedEvil | Psi: I suspect it may be several sounds all playing at once |
| 21:11.45 | FredrIQ | ah, speaking about battery, i guess i should buy a new charger |
| 21:11.47 | Psi | its normally fine, but then the pc that the mount points too is normally on 24/7 |
| 21:11.54 | FredrIQ | it doesn't like my N900 anymore |
| 21:12.02 | FredrIQ | it _works_, but not good |
| 21:12.13 | alterego | Psi: is your router energy friendly? |
| 21:12.23 | Psi | yes, it has the 802.11e or whatever it is |
| 21:12.41 | Psi | so the phone can sleep and wake up to check for any packets |
| 21:12.55 | alterego | Do you often leave it on wifi and it's fine? |
| 21:13.03 | Psi | yes, i have wifi on all the time |
| 21:13.27 | alterego | I think samba and netbios do a fair amount of polling. |
| 21:13.36 | alterego | Well, publishing |
| 21:14.16 | alterego | Though I don't know for sure. |
| 21:14.19 | Psi | it could have been scanning the folder looking for files and kept hitting the dead samba mount |
| 21:14.21 | ShadowJK | even on desktop the client machine goes bananas if the server goes away |
| 21:14.52 | alterego | indeed |
| 21:14.58 | Psi | its fine if the mount is good tho, cos is been like that for months without issue |
| 21:14.59 | ShadowJK | just leave it on charger overnight anyway |
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| 21:15.27 | Psi | ShadowJK: yeah, i should by a 2nd charger for near the bed |
| 21:16.19 | alterego | I've got loads, of non usb nokia chargers, that and it's mostly always plugged into my laptop |
| 21:16.49 | Psi | yeah, i also have a pile of the old 3.7V nokia packs |
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| 21:21.03 | DocScrutinizer | meh, prefer swapping batteries to leaving my phone at home. Now the second one is highly welcome |
| 21:21.13 | DocScrutinizer | waves and heads off for a beer |
| 21:22.26 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles swearwords as the other battery in other device is down to 65% due to standby test |
| 21:24.09 | DocScrutinizer | mmpf, shutdown -h now did exactly nothing |
| 21:26.11 | ShadowJK | dsmetool somemthing.. |
| 21:26.21 | DocScrutinizer | init 0 :-P |
| 21:27.07 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 21:29.11 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: so are you writing an UI to write a custom keymap? |
| 21:29.33 | kerio | s/an/a/ |
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| 21:36.55 | frikinz | on diablo, how can I do video conference? I've just installed skype but I guess video is still not done or? what do you advice me? |
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| 21:38.42 | _rd | frikinz, googletalk (?) |
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| 21:44.27 | alterego | SpeedEvil: very good desription of GPS that link, thanks :) |
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| 21:52.28 | frikinz | ok I'll try googletalk. I'm not that up to date with these things :) |
| 21:56.20 | frikinz | mmhh only to other tablets.. well no.. I need from PC to n800. So the webcam is quite useless in fact. |
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| 22:24.11 | ToJa92 | Anyone knows if it possible to retrieve the theme dir for the current theme in xterm? |
| 22:30.24 | pronto | pwd |
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| 22:34.41 | ToJa92 | [pronto]: Can you elaborate? In case you replied to me that is. |
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| 23:07.07 | Macer | anybody here have any info on gsm sim cloning? |
| 23:07.18 | ManoftheSea | what of it? |
| 23:07.21 | Macer | i want to be able to just turn off a phone. turn the other one on ... and go |
| 23:07.29 | ManoftheSea | The SIM is supposed to stop you doing that. |
| 23:07.37 | Macer | i hate having to manually swap out the sim all the time |
| 23:07.40 | ManoftheSea | Unless you buy the SIMs pre-loaded to be the same. |
| 23:07.52 | ManoftheSea | and unless you're AT&T, I doubt you can. |
| 23:08.03 | Macer | t-mob |
| 23:08.18 | ManoftheSea | well, unless you're T-Mobile, I doubt you can. |
| 23:08.24 | Macer | heh |
| 23:08.37 | Macer | well. there seems to be ways to do it as far as i can tell but i've never tried it |
| 23:08.42 | Macer | there are apps that crack the ki |
| 23:08.49 | Macer | so you can do a full clone |
| 23:09.07 | Macer | and i really want to do this so i'm not stuck having to keep swapping out the sim |
| 23:09.07 | ManoftheSea | Ah, you hacker you. |
| 23:09.08 | ToJa92 | SIM cloning is illegal in most if not all countries |
| 23:09.26 | ManoftheSea | clone the K_i, sure. But to load it in a different phone? |
| 23:09.28 | Macer | ToJa92: that's not fair :-P even to your own sim where you just want to swap phones? |
| 23:09.37 | ManoftheSea | yeah, like tech laws are reasonable. |
| 23:09.44 | Macer | haha |
| 23:09.50 | ToJa92 | [Macer]: Yup, pretty sure it's illegal |
| 23:09.55 | Macer | lame |
| 23:09.56 | ToJa92 | not said its impossible though :P |
| 23:10.00 | Macer | heh |
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| 23:10.04 | Kegetys | get a service provider that provides multi-sim cards |
| 23:10.05 | Macer | well.. i was looking at this thing... |
| 23:10.09 | ToJa92 | (I dont know any ways though) |
| 23:10.12 | Macer | http://cgi.ebay.com/SIM-Card-Reader-Writer-Adapter-Phone-Backup-Copy-Clone-/190398682498?cmd=ViewItem&pt=SIM_Cards&hash=item2c54a55582#ht_2038wt_1023 |
| 23:10.17 | Macer | ToJa92: i don't either :-P |
| 23:10.23 | Macer | i called tmob and they said they wouldn't do it |
| 23:10.31 | Macer | so i figured i would do it myself |
| 23:10.33 | ManoftheSea | heck, they probably can't. |
| 23:10.44 | Macer | haha |
| 23:10.44 | Kegetys | change to one that does |
| 23:10.47 | Macer | didn't think about that |
| 23:10.50 | ManoftheSea | They store the numbers, but don't add them to SIMs themself. |
| 23:10.53 | Macer | Kegetys: i don't know of any here that do |
| 23:11.00 | Macer | i'm in chicago but maybe i'll look around |
| 23:11.01 | Macer | but |
| 23:11.05 | Kegetys | hmm okay |
| 23:11.07 | Macer | i don't want to lose my 3G on my n900 ;) |
| 23:11.15 | Macer | and swapping providers would cause that |
| 23:11.20 | Kegetys | my service provider does it for free with a 3G package |
| 23:11.28 | Kegetys | I have three sim cards now :P |
| 23:11.33 | Macer | blah |
| 23:11.41 | Macer | tmobile just sucks like that i suppose |
| 23:11.46 | Macer | http://cgi.ebay.com/SIM-Card-Reader-Writer-Adapter-Phone-Backup-Copy-Clone-/190398682498?cmd=ViewItem&pt=SIM_Cards&hash=item2c54a55582#ht_2038wt_1023 |
| 23:11.50 | Macer | i was looking at that to read the sim |
| 23:11.55 | Macer | i'm sure i can find some software to crack the ki |
| 23:12.02 | Macer | and then get a blank one to write the img to |
| 23:12.26 | ToJa92 | not sure if that would actually add all necesary operator stuff etc |
| 23:12.42 | ToJa92 | I'm pretty sure that only copies the user readable part of the memory |
| 23:12.55 | Macer | yeah |
| 23:13.00 | Macer | thats what it seems like too :( |
| 23:13.04 | ManoftheSea | uh, what version sim to get the k_i? |
| 23:13.08 | ManoftheSea | Only version 1? |
| 23:13.11 | Macer | i need to find something that can read all of it |
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| 23:13.21 | Macer | ManoftheSea: not sure what type of sim yet |
| 23:13.33 | Macer | i'm looking for the hardware that allows me to do it first |
| 23:13.38 | Macer | a sim reader/writer |
| 23:14.36 | ToJa92 | heres an article about how it's pretty much impossible to do :P http://www.lazybit.com/index.php/2009/10/05/how-to-clone-a-sim-card-not?blog=2 (not sure about the accuracy though) |
| 23:15.04 | ToJa92 | anway gonna reboot now |
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| 23:22.45 | Dongle | hello all |
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| 23:23.31 | Macer | hm |
| 23:23.42 | Macer | you would think that you could copy the encrypted data from the sim over to some sort of image file |
| 23:23.46 | Macer | and brute force it that way |
| 23:23.47 | Macer | :) |
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| 23:24.03 | Macer | by simply making a complete image of the sim |
| 23:24.07 | kerio | how? |
| 23:24.15 | kerio | the only access you have is the "os" |
| 23:24.19 | Dongle | hello all |
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| 23:24.27 | Dongle | anybody know why the n900 is so bad at playing youtube videos? |
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| 23:26.53 | kerio | flash has the same performance of a drunk hippopotamus in a shopping cart |
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| 23:28.15 | Dongle | theres no way to watch youtube vids easily on the n900? |
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| 23:30.30 | kerio | Dongle: zoutube |
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| 23:37.55 | mortini | hm, is there a way to boost the audio in the headphones? alsactl didnt' seem to help much |
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| 23:40.13 | SpeedEvil | I assume you've tried turning the volume up? |
| 23:40.32 | SpeedEvil | From all apps? |
| 23:40.35 | SpeedEvil | O just one? |
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| 23:42.33 | mortini | what do you mean from all apps? |
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| 23:55.08 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: that doesn't tell me *when* the panic recorded there is from |
