| 00:00.00 | V13 | is slirp doing a kind of port redirection ? |
| 00:00.03 | ds3 | V13: think of it as a userland network stack |
| 00:00.22 | V13 | yes.. i believe i've used slirp about 15 years ago |
| 00:00.43 | V13 | and i've just read some docs about it.. but i don't get it... |
| 00:00.51 | V13 | it seems like it does a kind of port redirection. |
| 00:01.00 | ds3 | it effectively does that |
| 00:01.00 | V13 | it says it runs in user-space. |
| 00:01.12 | ds3 | so what it does is reads/writes PPP frames on STDIO |
| 00:01.18 | V13 | well.. |
| 00:01.30 | V13 | one alternative is to use google dns (8.8.8.8) :) |
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| 00:01.40 | ds3 | then it parses the frames to get TCP or UDP connections... for each one, it gets, it does a connectio or a send |
| 00:02.46 | V13 | massive port forwarding :) |
| 00:02.55 | V13 | don't you like the open-dns approach ? |
| 00:03.07 | ds3 | which open dns are you talking about? |
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| 00:03.12 | V13 | google's dns |
| 00:03.15 | V13 | 8.8.8.8 |
| 00:03.18 | ds3 | no, I don't |
| 00:03.26 | V13 | lol :) |
| 00:03.39 | V13 | you said you're hacking slirp.. right ? |
| 00:03.47 | ds3 | yes |
| 00:03.58 | V13 | you can add a small exception. |
| 00:04.17 | V13 | for udp segments with destination port 53 to set the destination address to 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:04.32 | ds3 | that's not the problem |
| 00:04.34 | V13 | and vice-versa |
| 00:04.47 | V13 | it should work if I understand it correctly |
| 00:04.48 | ds3 | the problem is the treo seems to think 127.0.0.0/8 is really local |
| 00:04.53 | ds3 | i.e. it never hits the wire |
| 00:04.57 | V13 | no... |
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| 00:05.06 | V13 | i didn't said that. |
| 00:05.14 | V13 | hack slirp on n900's end to do this |
| 00:05.33 | V13 | so all udp datagrams for a dns server would be redirected to n900's dnsmasq |
| 00:05.44 | V13 | the 127.0.0.1 will be n900's 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:05.52 | ds3 | Or map *:53 to 127.0.0.1:53? |
| 00:05.54 | V13 | you'll have to also handle the reverse i believe |
| 00:05.57 | V13 | er.. yes |
| 00:05.58 | ds3 | s/Or/Oh/ |
| 00:06.11 | ds3 | that could work |
| 00:06.14 | V13 | or just a specific address: 1.2.3.4:53 |
| 00:06.23 | V13 | and user that address ass dns |
| 00:06.28 | V13 | (With one s :) |
| 00:06.38 | ds3 | there are hooks in there to do that already... telnets to a magic address can be used to configure slirp remotely |
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| 00:07.59 | ds3 | this seems more solveable then other options |
| 00:16.08 | jX | so, is PR 1.2 dead, or what? This MeeGo situation has me confused, mostly because I haven't been paying attention, waiting for the dust to settle. |
| 00:17.37 | ShadowJK | MeeGo makes no difference for PR1.2 |
| 00:18.05 | V13 | yes... it is still not released :) |
| 00:18.16 | ptl_demands_PR12 | shame on Nokia for that. |
| 00:18.23 | V13 | lol :) |
| 00:18.41 | V13 | the silent observer who reacts on PR1.2 conversations :) |
| 00:18.55 | ptl_demands_PR12 | you bet! |
| 00:19.32 | V13 | demands that maemo-extras download be fixed to be able to upload a screenshot |
| 00:19.39 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I've not paid the equivalent of US$ 1000 (with taxes and such) to be abandoned like that |
| 00:19.43 | ptl_demands_PR12 | bugs are fixed. Release the fixes, dammit. :( |
| 00:19.57 | jX | agreed. |
| 00:20.18 | V13 | find n900 a great toy even with pr 1.1.1 |
| 00:20.29 | jX | the more time passes the less satisfied with my 900 I become. I somehow thought Nokia was really going to put effort into this one. |
| 00:20.39 | jX | it's too fuckign expensive to be a toy. |
| 00:20.52 | jX | it's supposed to be a tool, a competitor to the iphone and android. |
| 00:20.53 | V13 | it surely isn't a phone |
| 00:21.01 | jX | and while it is, there are things they're failing to do right. |
| 00:21.01 | V13 | an alternative i'd say |
| 00:21.08 | jX | it sure as hell IS a phone. |
| 00:21.11 | haltdef | is it just me completely blown away by the n900? |
| 00:21.14 | V13 | it is also supposed to be stop 4 of 5 |
| 00:21.33 | jX | Oh, step 4 of 5, so I should forgive spending $500 and getting a half assed device. |
| 00:21.43 | jX | haltdef: I was, but the rough edges start to irritate. |
| 00:21.48 | MohammadAG_ | No one forced you to spend 500 bucks on it |
| 00:21.53 | haltdef | like what |
| 00:22.02 | V13 | they released it as a "beta" device it seemed. even now they don't have enough production |
| 00:22.03 | jX | That is correct, I didn't say anyone did, let's not go reductio ad absurdum |
| 00:22.28 | jX | They also made promises about the MAemo roadmap that are no lnoger true. |
| 00:22.33 | V13 | noone expected n900 to sell that much. |
| 00:22.37 | MohammadAG_ | what promises? |
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| 00:23.24 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I disagree with the extended implications. I am disappointed but I don't think Nokia has completely blown away. I think the case in point it simple and solvable. Just release the damn update. |
| 00:23.47 | jX | Maemo 6, for one, regular updates to maemo 5 for two, features lacking at launch to come later for three. |
| 00:23.48 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Nokia has to adapt to the open-source way. Release early, release often. |
| 00:24.02 | ptl_demands_PR12 | And don't mark something as fixed if you're not willing to release the fix. |
| 00:24.13 | MohammadAG_ | ptl_demands_PR12, they kinda over-learnt from the N97, they released a FW that made it worse once |
| 00:24.42 | V13 | I've got mine 4 months ago and now it is more expensive than then !!! |
| 00:24.43 | MohammadAG_ | V20 - added kinetic scrolling, made the browser crash |
| 00:24.44 | jX | bah, that may be but they were never fast with updates to previous Maemo devices either |
| 00:25.52 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Well, it's making worse for the N900 right now, MohammadAG_. There are broken packages on the repositories due to the long wait. |
| 00:26.06 | _llll_ | you talk about "the open source way" yet you expect an external company to do all the work for you. i predict disappointment |
| 00:26.11 | MohammadAG_ | ptl_demands_PR12, it was a stupid move to update the autobuilder imo |
| 00:26.32 | V13 | llll: has a point |
| 00:27.02 | jX | _llll_: But it was so successful with Netscape! ;) |
| 00:27.11 | _llll_ | hehe |
| 00:28.06 | ahynes1 | So, who here has done any interesting development or bug fixing? |
| 00:28.09 | ptl_demands_PR12 | _llll_: no, not all the work, but since they DID some work (fixing some bugs, marked as such in bugzilla), RELEASE it. I can't mess with system packages because updates break what I do. |
| 00:28.09 | ptl_demands_PR12 | _llll_: in other words, the problem is that, I have to rely on them and they let me waiting. |
| 00:28.59 | jX | oh, another reason I'm irritated today, I discovered the back cover magnetic switch. How? Because the magnet somehow came off my back case, rendering the camera lense door and microSD reader useless. |
| 00:29.11 | jX | I called Nokia, they're sending me out a new back case. |
| 00:29.23 | jX | but why mount that magnet so poorly, and on the OUTSIDE? |
| 00:29.36 | ptl_demands_PR12 | jX: ugh! |
| 00:30.00 | ptl_demands_PR12 | ahynes1: I'm about to. Waiting for PR1.2... I delayed until now because I had my master's dissertation to finish first. |
| 00:30.01 | V13 | how exactly did it break the microsd reader ? |
| 00:30.12 | _llll_ | why not mess with the stuff and re-flash when/if they update |
| 00:30.14 | jX | the OS dismounts the SD card when it detects the door is open |
| 00:30.33 | MohammadAG_ | (and that's doine by the magnet) |
| 00:30.36 | jX | so without that magnet, my back cover is always sensed as being off, thus it won't mount the SD card |
| 00:30.54 | jX | UNLESSI hold a magnet to the back, that's how I verified that was it. |
| 00:30.57 | V13 | you mean the magnet that's holding the stand ? |
| 00:31.04 | jX | yes, dual purpose magnet. |
| 00:31.12 | V13 | wtf... |
| 00:31.19 | jX | although the stand stays shut fine without the magnet, too. |
| 00:31.22 | V13 | and i wandered how it was done :) |
| 00:31.35 | V13 | ah.. there is a plus on that :) |
| 00:31.57 | jX | they should have put the magnet on the inside, the stand (useless as it is) stays shut fine without the magtnet. |
| 00:32.13 | V13 | if you open the lens cover it just lights the display.. |
| 00:32.17 | jX | the stand, god, how retarded. it's fine if you can get the device on a level surface and have no intention of tapping on the right side of it. |
| 00:32.20 | V13 | it won't start the camera |
| 00:32.23 | jX | right |
| 00:32.27 | jX | with the magnet, that works |
| 00:32.33 | jX | (too) |
| 00:32.41 | jX | without, the display comes on but the camera app won't launch |
| 00:32.58 | V13 | you've lost the magnet ? |
| 00:33.17 | jX | yeah, it fell out sometime last week, I didn't even know it was there till today |
| 00:33.51 | jX | my theory is that while the door sensor still works (the black/white panels on the inside of the camera door slide are detected) the door sensor says "you only see the white part because of outside light, don't bother turning on the camera app." |
| 00:34.10 | MohammadAG_ | jX, try holding the camera key |
| 00:34.17 | V13 | i'd say it's a software bug. |
| 00:34.21 | MohammadAG_ | it should turn on the camera without a cover |
| 00:34.23 | V13 | you can have the same effect using your hand |
| 00:34.45 | jX | meh, I jsut launch teh camera app, taht's a minor detail to me |
| 00:34.49 | V13 | if you remove the back-cover and move your fingers across the camera, it will light the display at some points |
| 00:35.01 | jX | V13: That's what I'm saying |
| 00:35.06 | jX | look at the inside fo the camera slide |
| 00:35.14 | jX | there's a black patch and a white one for when it's open |
| 00:35.15 | V13 | not exactly. |
| 00:35.16 | MohammadAG_ | V13, if you put your hand on the IR emitter it will light the display |
| 00:35.33 | V13 | MohammadAG: at the top? |
| 00:35.35 | jX | there's a sensor that looks for light from the white patch, BUT if the case is open, that will be a false positive |
| 00:35.41 | V13 | jx: it only works with *some* parts of the hand/finger |
| 00:35.43 | jX | so open case + light == no camera app |
| 00:35.45 | MohammadAG_ | V13 it's next to the camera |
| 00:35.47 | V13 | jx: the hard parts. |
| 00:35.52 | V13 | ah.. so it's ir :) |
| 00:35.58 | MohammadAG_ | left side |
| 00:36.10 | V13 | that's why it doesn't work with the end of the fingers :) |
| 00:36.19 | jX | covering the IR sensor does nothing for me |
| 00:36.23 | MohammadAG_ | odd enough, it works for me |
| 00:36.29 | V13 | jx: use other parts of your fingers |
| 00:36.40 | jX | I jsut used an aluminum business card case, still nada |
| 00:36.42 | V13 | the hard parts, with the bone |
| 00:36.55 | V13 | bottom side of the finger.. hold it close |
| 00:37.01 | V13 | (press a bit) |
| 00:37.18 | V13 | for me it works with the points the finger bends |
| 00:37.24 | V13 | which are hard |
| 00:37.25 | MohammadAG_ | jX, remove the battery cover, lock the screen, put your finger on the IR part then remove it, it should light up the display |
| 00:37.55 | V13 | ok... that's the problem of not releasing pr 1.2 |
| 00:38.00 | jX | nope |
| 00:38.05 | V13 | instead of talking about pr 1.3 why talk about this :) |
| 00:38.13 | jX | ooohhhh |
| 00:38.14 | jX | THAT one |
| 00:38.15 | V13 | jx: try using other parts of your hand |
| 00:38.16 | V13 | :) |
| 00:38.22 | jX | I thought you meant the IR port |
| 00:38.25 | jX | not the camera door sensor |
| 00:39.05 | MohammadAG_ | so it works with my finger but not my desk |
| 00:39.21 | V13 | it works with my desk |
| 00:39.35 | MohammadAG_ | Matte/glossy? |
| 00:39.44 | V13 | but not the outside of the back-cover |
| 00:39.49 | V13 | glossy is shinny right? |
| 00:39.58 | MohammadAG_ | yeah |
| 00:40.04 | V13 | yes.. glossy and white |
| 00:40.14 | MohammadAG_ | matte and black :P |
| 00:40.21 | V13 | :P |
| 00:40.32 | MohammadAG_ | V13, not being racist but are you white? |
| 00:40.34 | V13 | am i the only one that finds n900 much thinner without the back cover ? |
| 00:40.40 | V13 | MohammadAG: yes... |
| 00:40.46 | MohammadAG_ | V13, lol I noticed that when I first got it |
| 00:40.54 | MohammadAG_ | it's thicker than the screen |
| 00:41.12 | MohammadAG_ | V13, I wonder if it'd work with a dark-coloured person |
| 00:41.16 | MohammadAG_ | again not being racist |
| 00:41.30 | V13 | i don't believe it's the color |
| 00:41.34 | V13 | but lets try |
| 00:41.43 | MohammadAG_ | so the IR (if it's even) IR detects colour |
| 00:41.52 | MohammadAG_ | so the IR (if it's even IR) detects colour* |
| 00:42.05 | V13 | yes it works with color |
| 00:42.20 | V13 | i've a cover that has black and white and it lights-up when passing over the white part |
| 00:42.29 | V13 | (cover from a note book) |
| 00:42.34 | MohammadAG_ | interesting |
| 00:43.11 | V13 | lol... indians will also do it :) |
| 00:43.15 | V13 | it works with red too :) |
| 00:43.38 | MohammadAG_ | works with red here too |
| 00:43.48 | V13 | notes |
| 00:43.51 | V13 | "too much free time" |
| 00:43.55 | V13 | all of us |
| 00:44.01 | MohammadAG_ | I think it's safe to assume that any colour other than black would turn it on |
| 00:44.11 | MohammadAG_ | (RACISTS) :p |
| 00:44.38 | V13 | indeed |
| 00:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | heh, proximity sensor works as well, and there's no paragraph in manual saying 'stick a white batch to your ear if you're colored' :-P |
| 00:44.49 | MohammadAG_ | V13, it's 3:44 AM and I have nothing else to do :P |
| 00:44.55 | MohammadAG_ | LOL |
| 00:45.18 | ptl_demands_PR12 | it's 21:45 here |
| 00:45.29 | V13 | it's 3.44 here too... |
| 00:45.29 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I'll soon take a bath and go to the disco, get some chicks and such |
| 00:45.37 | V13 | and i'm going to sleep... so gn8 |
| 00:45.45 | ptl_demands_PR12 | it's just too warm |
| 00:45.46 | MohammadAG_ | ptl_demands_PR12, see if you can find PR1.2 with the DJ |
| 00:45.51 | ptl_demands_PR12 | lol |
| 00:45.59 | MohammadAG_ | nn V13 |
| 00:46.02 | uhsf | weird time you have ptl_demands_PR12 |
| 00:46.05 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I can't dance, too bad at dancing |
| 00:46.10 | ptl_demands_PR12 | uhsf: Brazil! |
| 00:46.14 | DocScrutinizer | 2:46 here, considering a coffee |
| 00:46.35 | MohammadAG_ | for some reason, I'm assuming you're from Germany? |
| 00:46.35 | ptl_demands_PR12 | friday night... come on, people! get some fun :) |
| 00:46.43 | uhsf | i thought i was the latest american in quebec |
| 00:46.47 | ptl_demands_PR12 | impress some girls at the local bar with your N900 and get laid |
| 00:46.54 | uhsf | i guess brazil is later |
| 00:47.09 | MohammadAG_ | ptl_demands_PR12, that's not usually the case with a linux device :P |
| 00:48.05 | ptl_demands_PR12 | it is, really, it is, trust your buddy linux |
| 00:48.07 | crashanddie | for all its qualities, the N900 is *not* cool |
| 00:48.30 | ptl_demands_PR12 | use liqflow, mirror, whatever |
| 00:48.33 | MohammadAG_ | ptl_demands_PR12, it might get you a date with tux |
| 00:48.47 | MohammadAG_ | :P |
| 00:49.01 | crashanddie | something where you have to explain "Do you know Linux? It's an operating system written by individuals all over the world, and it's completely free, and it runs on this device <insert big lame self-contempt-smile here>" |
| 00:49.03 | ptl_demands_PR12 | trust it |
| 00:49.07 | crashanddie | just isn't cool. |
| 00:49.11 | ptl_demands_PR12 | crashanddie: never do that, lol |
| 00:49.28 | DocScrutinizer | always gets puzzled when it comes to comparativ 'late' regarding TZ. The later ones have earlier in the day, or ... ? |
| 00:49.41 | crashanddie | yup |
| 00:49.48 | ptl_demands_PR12 | just show your cellphone, slide the keyboard open, close it and show a few cute apps like liqflow and mirror |
| 00:49.55 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: it's 10:49 for me here, so 12:49 in NZ |
| 00:50.02 | ptl_demands_PR12 | crashanddie: that's enough to start a conversation and that's all you need, if you know how to talk |
| 00:50.08 | ptl_demands_PR12 | starting it is the hardest part |
| 00:50.13 | MohammadAG_ | ptl_demands_PR12, if you have a Symbian phone then you could show them the Vibrate app |
| 00:50.13 | crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: please don't give me advice on datng |
| 00:50.16 | crashanddie | dating** |
| 00:50.27 | ptl_demands_PR12 | crashanddie: why not? |
| 00:50.30 | MohammadAG_ | (I really don't know why that was made available on the Ovi Store) |
| 00:50.42 | crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: because I *really* don't need it? |
| 00:50.44 | ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG_: what does it do? |
| 00:50.56 | MohammadAG_ | it turns on the vibrator :P |
| 00:50.59 | ptl_demands_PR12 | crashanddie: you're are too angry, everything I said makes you mad :P |
| 00:51.03 | MohammadAG_ | err, the motor |
| 00:51.05 | ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG_: doh... lol |
| 00:51.07 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: so in NZ it's earlier late, so they're early :-P |
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| 00:51.17 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: eh? |
| 00:51.25 | DocScrutinizer | as they're late while we in EU are early |
| 00:51.49 | MohammadAG_ | is slightly confused |
| 00:51.56 | crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: just ask Jaffa, he still can't figure out how I got 3 phone numbers at a Nokia flagship store evening. |
| 00:51.57 | DocScrutinizer | hehe me too |
| 00:52.27 | cehteh | any news in meego land? :) |
| 00:52.34 | crashanddie | cehteh: probably in #meego |
| 00:52.47 | ahynes1 | is going to have to create an Etchings app.... |
| 00:53.01 | MohammadAG_ | never knew women visited flagship stores :P |
| 00:53.03 | uhsf | yes big news fuck meego we're fed up with that already |
| 00:53.07 | cehteh | jk .. just rhymes on lego land :) |
| 00:53.13 | MohammadAG_ | but then again we don't have any (flagship stores that is) |
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| 00:53.41 | crashanddie | MohammadAG_: well, it was the N900 events, so there was a bunch of Nokia-marketing chicks. And waitresses, too. |
| 00:53.54 | ahynes1 | The #meego channel is pretty quiet. I installed MeeGo on my N900 earlier today... yawn... |
| 00:54.03 | MohammadAG_ | crashanddie, thought they were customers :p |
| 00:54.19 | cehteh | meand you have an not useable n900 now? :) |
| 00:54.26 | ahynes1 | I'm finding Mer much more interesting right now... I'll check Meego again sometime later. |
| 00:54.41 | uhsf | wow, your n900 must be unusable for the next few months at least now good move |
| 00:54.45 | crashanddie | cehteh: your english sounds to me like a teacher running her nails over the blackboard |
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| 00:55.16 | ahynes1 | cehteh: Actually, its very usable... I can boot Maemo or Mer and can chroot to Fedora or MeeGo |
| 00:55.17 | cehteh | crashanddie: thats ok, i thought its worse |
| 00:55.45 | crashanddie | cehteh: it's just that sometimes it sounds fine, and I couldn't even detect you're a foreigner (maybe a slow/lazy teen) |
| 00:55.51 | MohammadAG_ | Mer is quite good, if only it had LXDE as the default desktop manager it would've saved me a lot of trouble |
| 00:56.06 | crashanddie | and then sometimes it's like you get a bunch of word, and throw them together, not caring about the order they fall in |
| 00:56.26 | cehteh | crashanddie: lol ... i was very bad at school in english but thats long ago :) |
| 00:56.45 | ahynes1 | MohammadAG_: Have you gotten LXDE to work with Mer? I loaded it, but now it brings in an LXDE login prompt and won't accept the Return Key |
| 00:57.26 | MohammadAG_ | ahynes1, try using an external keyboard, the return key on the N900 is actually the numpad return key |
| 00:57.31 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: all depends on whether you improved meanwhile, or even forgot the few you learnt |
| 00:57.44 | cehteh | possibly |
| 00:58.23 | ahynes1 | MohammandAG_: I was hoping I could figure out some way to change the default modmap for the N900 return key |
| 00:58.33 | DocScrutinizer | good pigin you not learn in school |
| 00:59.12 | cehteh | ahynes1: you mean from kp-enter to real return? |
| 00:59.41 | ahynes1 | cehteh: Yeah, I think so |
| 01:00.18 | cehteh | iirc that will break some maemo5 apps .. but you can easily try there is a config .. moment |
| 01:02.12 | cehteh | bah forgotten where the config is |
| 01:03.07 | MohammadAG_ | /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51? |
| 01:03.12 | ahynes1 | cehteh: Yeah, I've been looking but haven't found what I'm looking for... |
| 01:03.23 | cehteh | backup/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 |
| 01:03.26 | cehteh | yes |
| 01:03.34 | ahynes1 | Especially, since I want to do it in Mer |
| 01:04.10 | cehteh | mer should install the keytables in a similar location .. doesnt it? |
| 01:04.22 | ahynes1 | Yeah... That's what I'm thinking... |
| 01:04.26 | ahynes1 | I'm checking right now. |
| 01:04.45 | ahynes1 | If I can change it there, I may be in good shape |
| 01:05.23 | cehteh | as long you can ssh to the device you are not lost at least when making an error :P |
| 01:05.41 | ahynes1 | Yeah, I do more of my work from ssh than any other way on my device |
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| 01:06.33 | MohammadAG_ | why is there an rx-44 keymap on the N900? |
| 01:06.48 | cehteh | they prolly put all they found on it :P |
| 01:11.33 | ahynes1 | Well, I made the change. However, I started installing Easy_Deb on Maemo a while ago, so my machine is pegged unpacking the files. I'll boot to Mer sometime later and see if the change to the keymap fixes my problem |
| 01:14.22 | ds3 | hmm crazy idea for a USB host proxy - use a 770 or N800 and have that act as the USB host and then use that to tether back to the N900 via BT |
| 01:15.31 | Proteous | but.... why? |
| 01:15.40 | MohammadAG_ | what's the > key called? |
| 01:15.49 | Proteous | wacka |
| 01:15.54 | MohammadAG_ | ds3, it was already posted |
| 01:15.57 | ds3 | some of us need/strongly desire to being able to read USB devices on the OTG |
| 01:16.00 | Proteous | sorta looks like pacman |
| 01:16.00 | MohammadAG_ | or suggested |
| 01:16.08 | MohammadAG_ | o.o |
| 01:16.08 | ds3 | MohammadAG: sorry... I am behind on the forums |
| 01:16.09 | ml-mobile | usb over IP :) |
| 01:16.31 | MohammadAG_ | I really need to kill the other me |
| 01:16.41 | Proteous | kill kill kill |
| 01:17.31 | ds3 | MohammandAG: does the suggest have a package suitable for the 770 or 800? |
| 01:18.23 | MohammadAG | ds3, not really sure, I think it was only suggested |
| 01:21.23 | ds3 | ah |
| 01:22.39 | ahynes1 | MohammadAG: I believe in the xkb symbol table it would be 'greater' |
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| 01:27.47 | ds3 | anyone got the link to the page that describes how you get characters like '|' from the keyboard on the N900? |
| 01:28.38 | uhsf | i installed pc-connectivity to see if it could solve my usb networking problem and now i want to get rid of it completely. what's the command to remove maemo-pc-connectivity and all dependency packages that were installed at the same time? |
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| 01:29.07 | uhsf | ds3: fn+ctrl, but i don't know the page |
| 01:29.33 | ds3 | is that the only way? that pops up a soft keyboard |
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| 01:29.52 | uhsf | that's what i was told earlier today |
| 01:30.09 | uhsf | or remapping another key |
| 01:30.25 | ds3 | hmmm |
| 01:31.08 | ds3 | okay, how does one add a soft key to the Xterm on the 900? it isn't there in the menu anymore |
| 01:31.31 | MohammadAG_ | ds3 it's called remapping n900 keys, it's in wiki.maemo.g |
| 01:31.33 | MohammadAG_ | org* |
| 01:31.54 | MohammadAG_ | fn + up = | for me :) |
| 01:32.28 | ds3 | not in xterm |
| 01:32.40 | uhsf | how to remove a package completely with all it's dependencies? |
| 01:32.51 | MohammadAG_ | ds3, i remapped my keys |
| 01:33.15 | MohammadAG_ | uhsf, assuming the dependencies aren't need by others apps, apt-get autoremove (appname) |
| 01:33.32 | MohammadAG_ | s/need/needed/ |
| 01:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: /msg nickserv ghost MohammadAG |
| 01:34.08 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, other client :) |
| 01:34.21 | DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly |
| 01:34.23 | MohammadAG_ | i use /ns btw, it's much shorter :) |
| 01:34.31 | uhsf | MohammadAG_: you mean this command safely keeps packages that are required by others? or do i need to be sure of this by myself? |
| 01:34.38 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, i'm on the N900 |
| 01:34.47 | ds3 | what about adding other soft keys to the xterm like it is possible with the N800? |
| 01:35.01 | MohammadAGN900 | uhsf, it safely removes stuff |
| 01:35.13 | MohammadAGN900 | apt-get doesn't break dependencies, dpkg otoh... |
| 01:35.34 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAGN900: you said you wanted to kill the 'other me'. Well that's exactly the cmd to do that |
| 01:35.46 | MohammadAGN900 | DocScrutinizer, i killed it :) |
| 01:36.05 | MohammadAGN900 | (then i reconnected since I needed to leave the PC |
| 01:36.34 | frosty` | anyone using IRC plugin for Conversations and Contacts? |
| 01:36.45 | MohammadAGN900 | never liked it |
| 01:36.54 | uhsf | how to kill pc-connectivity? killing the process number doesn't work |
| 01:37.11 | MohammadAGN900 | DocScrutinizer, just wondering, if anything goes wrong on the channel can anyone kick/kill/gline? |
| 01:37.29 | MohammadAGN900 | kill -9? |
| 01:37.45 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAGN900: huh? |
| 01:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | only chanops can kick |
| 01:38.15 | MohammadAGN900 | what about kills? |
| 01:38.32 | MohammadAGN900 | (kills force the client to disconnect) |
| 01:38.33 | DocScrutinizer | what's 'kill' on IRC? |
| 01:38.46 | MohammadAGN900 | thought you were going to say that :) |
| 01:38.49 | DocScrutinizer | that's ghost |
| 01:38.58 | MohammadAGN900 | nomis, it's kill :) |
| 01:39.03 | ds3 | n/m found the thread |
| 01:39.12 | MohammadAGN900 | ghost is to be used by a user to ghost himself |
| 01:39.20 | MohammadAGN900 | kill is used to make someone disconnect |
| 01:39.25 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I hope not |
| 01:39.32 | ptl_demands_PR12 | I am always the first one to be kicked/killed/whatever |
| 01:39.42 | MohammadAGN900 | umm, /kill DocScrutinizer would just disconnect you from freenode |
| 01:39.44 | DocScrutinizer | nope, it's used to ghost other nicks registered to same account |
| 01:40.11 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAGN900: I'd doubt you could do that |
| 01:40.26 | DocScrutinizer | (/kill) |
| 01:40.27 | MohammadAGN900 | DocScrutinizer, well not on this server |
| 01:40.51 | MohammadAGN900 | i'm not an oper |
| 01:41.01 | MohammadAGN900 | was asking if anyone was an oper |
| 01:41.21 | DocScrutinizer | see /cs access #maemo list |
| 01:42.00 | MohammadAGN900 | that only lists channel ops :) |
| 01:42.18 | DocScrutinizer | and what's been your question? |
| 01:42.31 | MohammadAGN900 | * [MohammadAG] is a Network Administrator |
| 01:42.36 | MohammadAGN900 | that ^ |
| 01:43.17 | DocScrutinizer | no, I don't know if we got any freenode staff here |
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| 01:44.52 | MohammadAGN900 | ah kk :) |
| 01:46.29 | DocScrutinizer | see /stats p, or /join #freenode |
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| 01:48.26 | uhsf | bash on the n900 remembers so few history commands it's ridiculous, i wonder who decided this default |
| 01:50.46 | Funnyface | grr my N900 has begun to randomly restart |
| 01:50.55 | Funnyface | and I think it is running the latest firmware |
| 01:54.38 | uhsf | is it just me or ~/.bash_history on the n900 is ~/.ash_history? |
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| 02:01.15 | uhsf | it seems maemo uses ash and not bash that explains why the terminal is so dumb |
| 02:01.31 | uhsf | i need to edit /etc/profile i guess now |
| 02:02.16 | Funnyface | hmm right now it is updating Wormux at around 80KB/s peak, and 25KB/s average (normally I can expect a speed of like 250 bytes per second with a horrible packet loss), yet web browsing and anything else isn't working like normal.. :\ |
| 02:02.46 | DocScrutinizer | uhsf: you're sure you're not talking bout messybox history? |
| 02:03.42 | uhsf | i'm talking about the ~/.ash_history file in my /home/directory |
| 02:03.48 | uhsf | i just noticed that |
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| 02:14.01 | luke-jr | uhsf: /etc/profile doesn't control shell |
| 02:14.14 | luke-jr | you *could* just install bash and change your shell, tho |
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| 02:21.37 | uhsf | luke-jr: so, adding export HISTSIZE="5000" won't increase history size? |
| 02:22.45 | uhsf | ash seems to be enough for my phone, i'd just like the shell to remember more than 10 commands |
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| 03:24.19 | ptl_demands_PR12 | * sigh * |
| 03:24.54 | ml-mobile | still no PR1.2 eh? |
| 03:26.10 | simula | heh |
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| 03:30.10 | auenf | ml-mobile, PR1.2 will be 'launch' firmware for australian stock |
| 03:30.41 | ml-mobile | when is it heading out there? |
| 03:30.59 | auenf | this month |
| 03:31.21 | ml-mobile | cool |
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| 03:42.15 | ptl_demands_PR12 | well, if they promise it to this month, at least that would be a promise anyway. |
| 03:42.26 | ptl_demands_PR12 | where did you see that they promised it to this month? |
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| 03:58.47 | GAN900 | There have been no promises. |
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| 04:04.32 | crashanddie | Corporations don't do promises |
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| 04:14.49 | crashanddie | GAN900: entertain me. |
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| 04:20.50 | GAN900 | crashanddie, you! |
| 04:21.06 | crashanddie | yes, me. |
| 04:21.09 | GAN900 | is too exhausted to fall asleep. |
| 04:21.37 | uhsf | i used route add default gw 192.168.2.14 to be able to ping google.com from my n900 with usb networking earlier today but now it doesn't work anymore. what should i try instead? |
| 04:27.07 | crashanddie | uhsf: route add default gw try 355.355.355.1 |
| 04:27.13 | crashanddie | err, remove that try |
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| 04:29.04 | cehteh | i see .. ipv4 addresses getting short, we have to be clever :) |
| 04:30.25 | uhsf | crashanddie: i still get ping: bad address 'google.com' |
| 04:31.10 | crashanddie | uhsf: that's because IPv4 addresses can only go from 0.0.0.0 to 255.255.255.255 |
| 04:31.20 | crashanddie | uhsf: so get on wikipedia and teach yourself IPv4 |
| 04:31.48 | crashanddie | uhsf: *nobody* can guess what your IP address is going to be. That is only some information that you can find out, and feed yourself |
| 04:32.06 | crashanddie | uhsf: I'm guessing that 192.168.2.14 was the IP address of your computer, correct? |
| 04:33.07 | uhsf | yes |
| 04:33.31 | crashanddie | so, there is a good chance the IP address of your computer has changed |
| 04:33.37 | crashanddie | is it a windows or linux computer? |
| 04:33.42 | uhsf | linux |
| 04:33.53 | crashanddie | type ifconfig in a terminal |
| 04:33.59 | crashanddie | this will show you all the network interfaces available |
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| 04:34.23 | crashanddie | find the IP address of your network adapter (probably starts with 192.168.2 if it's the same network), and use that value in the route command |
| 04:36.41 | uhsf | the ip of usb0 is inet addr:192.168.2.14 |
| 04:37.43 | uhsf | the command route add default gw 192.168.2.14 gives route: SIOCADDRT: File exists |
| 04:39.31 | uhsf | do i have to restart network or something after the command route add default gw? |
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| 04:46.32 | cehteh | mo |
| 04:46.34 | cehteh | no |
| 04:47.09 | cehteh | if there is an error check why .. look at existing routes |
| 04:54.22 | uhsf | maybe i'm too tired. i'll be back tomorrow |
| 05:13.05 | auenf | ptl_demands_PR12, release date WAS mar 31, its now aug 21 |
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| 05:43.58 | |Superci| | ciao |
| 05:44.14 | |Superci| | !list |
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| 06:12.31 | RST38h | "Java has evolved from a groundbreaking, revolutionary language platform to something closer to a modern-day version of Cobol." |
| 06:12.40 | RST38h | Gooooood |
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| 06:17.37 | noobmonk3y | thinks sleep sounds like more fun then a long drive....... |
| 06:23.39 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: got no devices to lend out :P |
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| 06:54.24 | mortal | where are the gpodder settings stored |
| 06:54.37 | mortal | somehow I corrupted them and now I can not use it, reinstall does not work |
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| 06:56.14 | bullet` | hi room |
| 06:56.20 | bullet` | whats a trackerd ? |
| 06:56.28 | bullet` | its taking a lot of my cpu time |
| 06:56.44 | bullet` | trackerd and tracker-indexer |
| 06:58.58 | pupnik | it tells media and photo player where your media is |
| 06:58.59 | bullet` | anybody there ??? |
| 06:59.15 | pupnik | you can disable it in its comfig file |
| 06:59.38 | pupnik | but then you have to use directory based players |
| 07:01.13 | bullet` | why is taking such a long time to do what it does ? |
| 07:01.43 | Stskeeps | it is making thumbnails and such |
| 07:01.46 | Stskeeps | and reading files |
| 07:01.46 | bullet` | i just *kill*ed the tracker-indexer process, usage went down |
| 07:02.17 | bullet` | ok right now |
| 07:02.26 | Surfa | and surprisingly your media player doesn't work correctly anymore :) |
| 07:02.34 | bullet` | osso-addressbook just started doing the same thing |
| 07:02.52 | Surfa | how about rebooting your device? |
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| 07:03.56 | bullet`_ | sorry i'm using the web based freenode client for irc |
| 07:04.04 | bullet`_ | it sometimes stops sending messages i guess |
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| 07:19.49 | kebax | so there is no java |
| 07:20.06 | Surfa | where? |
| 07:20.18 | kebax | in chromiun os |
| 07:20.43 | Surfa | we're not mind readers you know |
| 07:21.12 | auenf | speak for yourself |
| 07:21.18 | nocturnal | what's the deal with MeeGo? what will happen to the Maemo project? |
| 07:21.45 | kebax | wrong |
| 07:21.48 | kebax | sorry |
| 07:21.55 | nocturnal | i just got one of these n900 phones for example. will there be some point in the future where i should update to MeeGo and abandon Maemo? |
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| 07:22.50 | Ken-Young | nocturnal, Perhaps eventually, but meego is a loooong way from usable on the N900 now. |
| 07:23.03 | Arkenoi | fuck. seems that contact merges are *not* processed correctly if MfE sync is enabled. I get damn a lot of duplicates after resync :-((( |
| 07:23.59 | nocturnal | Ken-Young: yeah i figured it was sorta beta status. but thanks for the answer. i guess i'll keep an eye on it |
| 07:24.41 | Ken-Young | nocturnal, The phone portion of meego is not even close to beta yet. |
| 07:25.36 | Appiah | Any idea why the media player cant properly index my .flac files? They end up under unkown. |
| 07:25.45 | Appiah | I know the seek support is a bug... but the tags? |
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| 07:29.03 | Stskeeps | Ken-Young: or it just looks like that, most of the system is there :P |
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| 07:31.04 | Ken-Young | Stskeeps, Yeah, I should shut up. I haven't even tried it yet. |
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| 08:00.40 | AOD_tomaterr | hi guys |
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| 08:08.09 | trumee | is there any way to copy text rom an email? |
| 08:08.29 | pupnik | ow |
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| 08:09.23 | fale | hi |
| 08:09.58 | trumee | i tried to reply to the email and then shift + arrow but it doesnt select the text |
| 08:11.12 | fale | A couple days ago I was wondering here if was still true the deathline for maemo 6... it seems like the first version of meego will be released in may :) |
| 08:11.30 | trumee | is it not the right way to do it? |
| 08:13.56 | pupnik | dunno, i use webmail |
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| 08:46.25 | trumee | anybody uses sip? |
| 08:47.38 | trumee | there is no mwi available. is it possible to implement mwi using an applet |
| 08:48.36 | `0660 | i use sip |
| 08:49.36 | `0660 | but i don't hack it, so i have no idea how open the current implementation is |
| 08:50.20 | trumee | mwi is a core feature of sip |
| 08:50.33 | trumee | what codec do u use? |
| 08:51.03 | `0660 | i suppose they upport it then because i can make calls with my sip |
| 08:51.15 | `0660 | i didn't select any codec, so i'm not sure |
| 08:52.26 | trumee | i have forced g729 on the server. cpu usage is quite high on the phone :( |
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| 08:53.05 | marcus_ | Does the n900 have pygame installed by default, or do you have to install it for using the games made with it |
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| 09:00.33 | RobbieAB | The package manager should install it when it installs any games using it |
| 09:03.46 | marcus_ | tried running a simple textfile with import pygame in it, unfortunately, it wasnt installed |
| 09:04.20 | RobbieAB | That's a bug in the package managers dependency resolution than :p |
| 09:04.41 | MohammadAGN900 | (or in the package itself) |
| 09:05.18 | RobbieAB | Well, I would count the packages dependency listing as part of the same thing. |
| 09:10.06 | Stskeeps | marcus_: have to install it |
| 09:10.26 | marcus_ | Stskeeps: In extras-devel then? |
| 09:10.53 | Stskeeps | yeah |
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| 09:39.24 | auenf | anyone tried using a sip call using their cars bluetooth? |
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| 09:43.02 | Appiah | Would that be different from a normal phone call auenf ? |
| 09:43.32 | marcus_ | hmm |
| 09:43.54 | marcus_ | I just compiled a little SDL game in c++ using mad g++ -o mainnew main.cpp -lSDL -lSDL_image |
| 09:44.04 | marcus_ | but when I try to run it on the n900, it says permission denied :/ |
| 09:44.18 | marcus_ | /bin/sh: ./mainnew: Permission denied |
| 09:44.26 | Appiah | chmod +x mainnew ? |
| 09:44.30 | marcus_ | done that |
| 09:44.32 | marcus_ | in root and normal |
| 09:44.37 | Appiah | hmm |
| 09:45.00 | marcus_ | trying to run it via ./mainnew |
| 09:45.58 | auenf | Appiah, on my n82 it is |
| 09:46.32 | auenf | with n82, a normal call activated the bluetooth stereo properly, a sip call doesnt interrupt the radio, and hence i cant hear the other party |
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| 09:59.08 | frals | marcus_: make sure its not on removable storage as thats mounted noexec |
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| 10:07.28 | BCMM | is there software for the n900 that uses openstreetmap data? |
| 10:07.48 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 10:07.59 | BCMM | can it be used with GPS? |
| 10:08.14 | BCMM | a satnav with cycle routes would be awesome |
| 10:10.14 | BCMM | oh, does it always use the default openstreetmap map? |
| 10:10.48 | BCMM | see, i'd like something to show me were i am on the opencyclemap map |
| 10:11.11 | BCMM | like Marble Desktop Globe would (if my desktop had GPS) |
| 10:11.19 | cehteh | maep mapper ecoach .. and soon to come "Bike Dashboard" |
| 10:11.42 | SpeedEvil | osm2go |
| 10:12.14 | SpeedEvil | osm2go |
| 10:12.16 | SpeedEvil | which is more of an editort hough |
| 10:12.22 | BCMM | i don't need to edit |
| 10:12.29 | SpeedEvil | where are youl BCMM ? |
| 10:12.33 | BCMM | UK |
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| 10:13.16 | BCMM | at the moment, i tend to plan routes using marble desktop globe, which so far is the best program i've found for looking at the sustrans network |
| 10:13.36 | BCMM | National Cycle Network even |
| 10:13.37 | SpeedEvil | in principle osm should get better in some time, due to improts from newly release ordnance survey data |
| 10:13.56 | BCMM | ordnance survey data got usable? |
| 10:14.05 | BCMM | or old OS data that went out of copyright? |
| 10:14.08 | SpeedEvil | also #osm over on irc.oftc.net may be useful |
| 10:14.11 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 10:14.37 | SpeedEvil | google berners ordnance survey april release |
| 10:14.57 | aquatix | is there a memcheck for n810? |
| 10:15.27 | BCMM | does maep use the GPS function? |
| 10:15.58 | SpeedEvil | Ow. Ow. Ow. Do _not_ do manual labour using Prodigy as background music. |
| 10:16.18 | SpeedEvil | just tried to get out of bed. |
| 10:16.30 | cehteh | BCMM: yes |
| 10:16.40 | BCMM | shiny |
| 10:17.19 | BCMM | see, now if i get an n900, i can skip the whole planning in marble thing and just get hopelessly lost first :) |
| 10:18.30 | SpeedEvil | n900 is not ideal for une in sunlight |
| 10:18.41 | SpeedEvil | if handheld, it's ok |
| 10:18.56 | SpeedEvil | strapped to handlebars - maybe not. |
| 10:18.58 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: UK... |
| 10:19.09 | BCMM | i'll run the risk of sunlight :) |
| 10:19.17 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 10:19.19 | BCMM | also, doesn't it have a transflective screen? |
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| 10:19.27 | SpeedEvil | not really |
| 10:19.34 | BCMM | no, not gonna strap it to the handlebars or anything |
| 10:19.47 | BCMM | just get myself completely lost, then consult it |
| 10:19.52 | SpeedEvil | it sort-of works with the backlight off in sunlight |
| 10:19.54 | BCMM | not really? |
| 10:20.18 | BCMM | like |
| 10:20.22 | SpeedEvil | but the display is nowhere near the same. |
| 10:20.25 | BCMM | better or worse than an ipod |
| 10:20.30 | BCMM | (old ones i mean) |
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| 10:20.40 | BCMM | i mean, they are readable, but not really colourful |
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| 10:21.07 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 10:21.33 | SpeedEvil | it is generally visible , if you can point it right |
| 10:21.35 | BCMM | hmm must have a look at that |
| 10:21.53 | SpeedEvil | I should put up some vids. |
| 10:22.01 | BCMM | i'm trying to find a shop that has a display model and will let me see if i can actually use the keyboard before i get one |
| 10:22.08 | SpeedEvil | but my screen protector is shredded. |
| 10:22.12 | BCMM | maybe i'll try and stand right under a light |
| 10:22.26 | SpeedEvil | I'm on n900 at the moment, using its keyboard. |
| 10:22.37 | BCMM | hmm |
| 10:22.39 | SpeedEvil | up to 35 wpm or so. |
| 10:22.50 | BCMM | i was gonna say, i hadn't noticed you lagging much |
| 10:22.57 | SpeedEvil | nope. |
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| 10:23.00 | BCMM | i consider myself fairly clumsy |
| 10:23.06 | BCMM | but i touchtype quickly |
| 10:23.09 | BCMM | and have small fingers |
| 10:23.17 | SpeedEvil | I started at maybe 15 |
| 10:23.18 | lcukn900 | typing on 09 |
| 10:23.21 | BCMM | how does it work? thumbs? |
| 10:23.24 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 10:23.27 | lcukn900 | 900 surorised ppl |
| 10:23.37 | BCMM | hmm |
| 10:23.41 | lcukn900 | sometimes its still screwed lol |
| 10:23.44 | BCMM | 35wpm is pretty good |
| 10:23.57 | lcukn900 | hit enter instead of delte |
| 10:24.08 | BCMM | i've been vaguely considering whether writing LaTeX on one is workable |
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| 10:24.22 | BCMM | how is entry of punctuation? |
| 10:24.30 | BCMM | i mean, things like / and \ |
| 10:24.32 | BCMM | {} |
| 10:24.34 | SpeedEvil | Somewhat annoying. |
| 10:24.36 | nidO | akward |
| 10:24.41 | BCMM | ah |
| 10:24.47 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.56 | SpeedEvil | with a sticky shift |
| 10:25.10 | SpeedEvil | all but ,. are shifted. |
| 10:25.14 | BCMM | does it come with a stylus for the touchscreen? |
| 10:25.20 | SpeedEvil | { |
| 10:25.37 | BCMM | people have mentioned styli, but i can't see the holder in any pictures |
| 10:25.41 | nidO | there is a stylus with holder in the case |
| 10:25.52 | nidO | its along the bottom edge of the device while held in landscape |
| 10:26.01 | SpeedEvil | requires a chorded shiftpress of arrow and sym, then onscreen symbol map |
| 10:26.05 | cehteh | wristband is missing .. but you get an expensive cleaning cloth :P |
| 10:26.19 | SpeedEvil | it's just next to the earphone socket |
| 10:26.25 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: so you press a combo, and an onscreen keyboard with a more comprehensive symbol list appears? |
| 10:26.32 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 10:26.49 | BCMM | expensive cleaning cloth == lintless glasses cloth? |
| 10:26.54 | SpeedEvil | It's not horribly slow. |
| 10:27.03 | BCMM | hmm |
| 10:27.03 | nidO | yeah its just a little microfibre cloth |
| 10:27.15 | nidO | not as nice as the one that came with the e90 |
| 10:27.48 | cehteh | BCMM: i was joking .. well the display surface is plastic because if resistive touchscreen, not glass |
| 10:27.50 | BCMM | well, when i do LaTeX it's assignments for my physics degree, so it has to get pretty slow for me to bottleneck on the typing rather than the maths |
| 10:28.03 | cehteh | you want a screen protector or handle it carefully |
| 10:28.18 | cehteh | you can als reassign keys on the keyboard with some efforts |
| 10:28.22 | SpeedEvil | A screen protector is mandatory for me. |
| 10:28.28 | BCMM | what is a screen protector? |
| 10:28.32 | cehteh | for me too |
| 10:28.32 | nidO | I manage fine with no screen protector |
| 10:28.35 | Arkenklo | if you know linux, almost everything is pretty easy to do |
| 10:28.39 | BCMM | a plastic sticker taht cheaper to replace than the screen? |
| 10:28.40 | cehteh | some dont need it |
| 10:28.47 | nidO | BCMM: its just a plastic sheet that sticks onto the screen |
| 10:28.47 | cehteh | BCMM: yes |
| 10:28.48 | BCMM | ah, i can remap? cool |
| 10:28.59 | Arkenklo | I managed to edit the keymap to my liking in <30 minutes, because I already know how to |
| 10:29.01 | nidO | they come in varying qualities, some are just there to take the scratches then replace |
| 10:29.02 | cehteh | well and there are good and horrible screen protectors :P |
| 10:29.05 | SpeedEvil | I accidentally put seccateurs in wrong pocet when gardening, and bent up and down a few hundred times. |
| 10:29.07 | nidO | decent ones are very hard to damage atall |
| 10:29.08 | Arkenklo | it's linux dude, you can do everything |
| 10:29.21 | SpeedEvil | It's damn near opaque now |
| 10:29.23 | BCMM | yeah, but not everything is easy |
| 10:29.32 | nidO | most make the screen feel pretty nasty to use with a stylus though |
| 10:29.38 | cehteh | the Durasec i had for sure never got scratches .. was more a clear rubber mat, but it didnt feel well |
| 10:29.39 | Arkenklo | not until you know how :) |
| 10:29.40 | BCMM | also, to what extent can you actually do everything? |
| 10:29.44 | cehteh | i thrown it away |
| 10:29.44 | SpeedEvil | these I have work fine. |
| 10:29.46 | BCMM | how much of the stuff running on it is open? |
| 10:29.53 | SpeedEvil | for 2.99 |
| 10:29.59 | BCMM | and can i install a different distro on it (in theory) |
| 10:30.02 | SpeedEvil | ~closed |
| 10:30.03 | infobot | hmm... closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages |
| 10:30.07 | nidO | no not really |
| 10:30.08 | SpeedEvil | see that |
| 10:30.20 | cehteh | BCMM: in theory yes, but you cant access most of the special hardware |
| 10:30.20 | nidO | on the base install, something like 45% (?) is o/s? |
| 10:30.33 | SpeedEvil | that is - 10 protectors for 2.99 |
| 10:30.35 | cehteh | its sufficiently free and there is easy debian |
| 10:30.54 | SpeedEvil | easy debian is a chrooted debian |
| 10:30.56 | cehteh | and a lot free software is ported to it or porting underway |
| 10:31.06 | SpeedEvil | that runs in the background. |
| 10:31.15 | cehteh | for a latex user i can tell you that emacs runs fine :P |
| 10:31.32 | SpeedEvil | I mean - runs on top of normal os |
| 10:31.38 | cehteh | native, not easy debian, its not in the repos but some japanese guy packaged it |
| 10:31.39 | BCMM | heh, i've never really learned emacs |
| 10:31.43 | BCMM | i use vim or kate |
| 10:31.45 | BCMM | usually kate for latex |
| 10:31.49 | cehteh | ok then |
| 10:31.58 | cehteh | well dunno if there is kate for n900 |
| 10:32.02 | cehteh | never used it |
| 10:32.02 | Arkenklo | if I can apt-get whatever app I want, and edit any file in the system, it's sufficently open for me |
| 10:32.10 | lcuk | w00t_, yes i was up late |
| 10:32.20 | BCMM | anyway, i'm happy if i can get syntax highlighting and a keyboard shortcut that compiles the document |
| 10:32.38 | lcuk | gave up trying to type with n900 whilst still in bed |
| 10:32.58 | BCMM | ah, that page makes some sense |
| 10:33.12 | BCMM | given that A-GPS does an awful lot in software, i can see why they want to close that |
| 10:33.28 | cehteh | yeah typing on it is not really comfortable, its way better than most other phones and t9 smsing but i usually ssh to the device from my laptop to do more complicated things |
| 10:33.29 | nidO | there are good reasons for most of the closed packages |
| 10:33.50 | BCMM | anyway, seems like proper linux to me |
| 10:33.52 | cehteh | nidO: i disagree about the 'good' |
| 10:34.04 | BCMM | got suspicous after the huge letdown of android |
| 10:34.06 | cehteh | there are reasons, but open would be better |
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| 10:34.19 | Arkenklo | all the "regular linux stuff" is as open as it usually is |
| 10:34.24 | nidO | well, its a case of open-source puritan meets real world, and real world wins |
| 10:34.34 | Arkenklo | I guess there are like phone drivers that are not, but I don't mess with that |
| 10:34.50 | cehteh | well there is always something i want to hack and the closed stuff prevents it |
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| 10:34.57 | BCMM | i'm not a puritan as such |
| 10:35.07 | cehteh | just raising the battery low warning isnt possible for example |
| 10:35.08 | BCMM | i mean, i can't actually write kernel code anyway |
| 10:35.21 | Arkenklo | cehteh: wow, really? |
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| 10:35.33 | BCMM | i want to know that i can modify stuff taht actually bothers me though |
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| 10:35.43 | nidO | because nokia would have to open up BME, and that's a whole huge can of worms that nokia wont touch with a bargepole, and understandably |
| 10:35.45 | cehteh | its hardcoded in BME or at least hidden somewhere where i didnt found it yet |
| 10:35.45 | BCMM | cehteh: you can't write an app to get battery percentage? |
| 10:35.57 | cehteh | BCMM: thats not the problem |
| 10:36.03 | nidO | granted recoding BME to allow adjusting warnings without opening it up would be a good alternative |
| 10:36.04 | SpeedEvil | there is work goimg on on opensourcing battery |
| 10:36.08 | cehteh | but there is a daemon which manages battery state and charging |
| 10:36.09 | BCMM | that's a shame |
| 10:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ |
| 10:36.12 | nidO | but I can 100% see why nokia wont open it |
| 10:36.26 | SpeedEvil | lshal|grep percent |
| 10:36.26 | BCMM | they wouldn't need to open it up completely, just have an API for an app to get battery state |
| 10:36.26 | cehteh | this piece is closed for reasons that users cant damage the device |
| 10:36.49 | BCMM | it could be all kinds of useful, like if you wanted a fullscreen game or broweser with a little battery indicator somewhere |
| 10:36.58 | Stskeeps | it's all on dbus |
| 10:36.59 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: but there is a battery low warning which is system wide and well defined |
| 10:37.00 | Arkenklo | if I want to damage my device, I should be able to |
| 10:37.01 | SpeedEvil | the battery state chip has _no_ reason to be closed and hidden |
| 10:37.09 | cehteh | i just want to raise it a bit |
| 10:37.16 | nidO | Arkenklo, no not really, the real world doesnt work like that |
| 10:37.19 | Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: go look at matan's post on this issue on talk.maemo.org |
| 10:37.24 | Arkenklo | nidO: it should |
| 10:37.24 | BCMM | hmm |
| 10:37.25 | Stskeeps | Arkenklo: and sue nokia afterwards? |
| 10:37.26 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:37.34 | BCMM | depends what it would do if you kept it running as the voltage gave out |
| 10:37.39 | DocScrutinizer | nidO: prepare fot bme to vanish though |
| 10:37.50 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: I don't really do tmo. Can you link to thread? |
| 10:37.53 | BCMM | i mean some bits of hardware might behave strangely instead of just shutting off |
| 10:38.01 | SpeedEvil | does bme do smartreflex? |
| 10:38.02 | nidO | as highly unlikely as it may be, "its my device and i want to damage it if i want" doesnt stant up to tomorrow's newspaper headline: "geek's nokia phone catches fire, burns his mother's house down, 2 die" |
| 10:38.02 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: in meego or pr1.2? |
| 10:38.04 | Arkenklo | I think there are enough ways to make linux fuck it self up already, one more way wouldn't hurt |
| 10:38.08 | nidO | = a headline nokia can do without. |
| 10:38.10 | BCMM | maybe lose some data or send stupid replies to the network and frighten it |
| 10:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: not clear. meego for sure |
| 10:38.36 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: the modem is a different computer/os |
| 10:38.37 | pupnik | zoutube broken? i cannot pull up videos i search |
| 10:38.38 | Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: post includes that bq chip number, can't recall it |
| 10:38.46 | SpeedEvil | it's not linux |
| 10:38.50 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: eh? |
| 10:38.50 | Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48964&highlight=bq27200 |
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| 10:39.02 | Arkenklo | SpeedEvil: that doesn't make any sense at all |
| 10:39.05 | crashanddie | lol... |
| 10:39.05 | cehteh | well you can actually fry the device with bad programming .. voltage and frequency controls and other hardware controls are done in hardware |
| 10:39.11 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: the modem is a different cpu. It does not run linux |
| 10:39.12 | crashanddie | I think cnet is a bit apple-oriented |
| 10:39.21 | BCMM | you mean it has it's own tiny little processor and firmware, like my wifi card? |
| 10:39.25 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 10:39.26 | crashanddie | http://reviews.cnet.com/tablets/apple-ipad-16gb/4505-3126_7-33958447.html <-- scroll down, to the "Compare this tablet to:" |
| 10:39.32 | BCMM | or something more than that |
| 10:40.06 | DocScrutinizer | nidO: the burning phone is an urban legend, when it comes to n900 |
| 10:40.15 | BCMM | hmm |
| 10:40.28 | BCMM | adapting to being careful with a phone might be a bit of work |
| 10:40.33 | BCMM | my current phone is a 3410 |
| 10:40.38 | SpeedEvil | insurance |
| 10:40.42 | BCMM | i can't count how many drop-kicks its had |
| 10:40.43 | ShadowJK | bme doesn't use bq27200's charge tracking |
| 10:40.46 | SpeedEvil | 50 quid a year |
| 10:40.46 | nidO | DocScrutinizer: i'd never even heard the legend, i'm just being generic. |
| 10:40.58 | Arkenklo | BCMM: get one of those super mega plastic skins |
| 10:41.10 | SpeedEvil | for accidental damage and loss insurance |
| 10:41.11 | nidO | opening up BME would give, however unlikely, coders the possibility of buggering up the battery management and causing it |
| 10:41.28 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: you can insure it against *loss* for £50 a year? |
| 10:41.35 | crashanddie | BCMM: yeah |
| 10:41.36 | ShadowJK | bq27200 has been stuck at 6% battery for 9 hours with the mugen battery, bme is saying 17% :-) |
| 10:41.39 | BCMM | wow |
| 10:41.51 | SpeedEvil | nidO: or extending battery life by charging to only 90% |
| 10:41.55 | BCMM | i'm kinda suprised that's economical |
| 10:42.04 | crashanddie | BCMM: my bank insures my blackberry + n900 for 17 quid a year |
| 10:42.36 | DocScrutinizer | nidO: no, thats BS. You got a bq24150 to care for battery, and you can do all nasty you every *could* do no matter bme is open or not |
| 10:42.54 | BCMM | crashanddie: for enough to replace them, including loss? |
| 10:43.11 | crashanddie | BCMM: loss and theft |
| 10:43.13 | DocScrutinizer | bq24150 reduces the amount of nasty you could do very considerably though |
| 10:43.14 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: that is seperate insurance. google cusc foneguarg |
| 10:43.24 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: that is seperate insurance. google cusc foneguard |
| 10:43.25 | crashanddie | BCMM: not wear and tear though |
| 10:43.28 | BCMM | how much of the battery stuff is in software? perhaps it is possible to overcharge it? |
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| 10:43.40 | BCMM | it would be a kinda stupid not to have a hardware device stopping that |
| 10:43.42 | BCMM | but not unheard of |
| 10:44.08 | ShadowJK | I suspect you could probably trickle-charge the battery, which wouldn't be good on its life |
| 10:44.11 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: btw do you know where one can (cheaply) order charger plugs for the adapter, either 2.5 or 3.5mm? |
| 10:44.31 | ShadowJK | cehteh, you mean like the one included? |
| 10:44.32 | cehteh | i dont know exactly what variant that is in length and diameter of the pin and so on |
| 10:44.42 | Arkenklo | cehteh: try dealextreme |
| 10:44.45 | nidO | you're missing the point. bq24150 reducing the possibility, it being unlikely, = irrelevant. Nokia want to be as absolutely positive as possible that some tinkerer doesnt manage to burn their house down, as incredibly unlikely as it may be or not. |
| 10:44.49 | Arkenklo | they've got loads of cheap crap |
| 10:44.56 | cehteh | germany |
| 10:45.04 | Arkenklo | they ship for free world wide |
| 10:45.06 | ShadowJK | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.29208 |
| 10:45.13 | SpeedEvil | or ebay |
| 10:45.16 | cehteh | ShadowJK: the things which fit into the adapter |
| 10:45.22 | nidO | newspaper headlines wont give a shit that the geek that died heavily modified their phone, the headline will only go as far as "its a nokia" |
| 10:45.38 | nidO | we all saw exactly that with the exploding-batteries-in-nokias a year or two ago |
| 10:45.40 | ShadowJK | is starting to suspect bme is talking to cellmo |
| 10:45.41 | DocScrutinizer | nidO: mission impossible |
| 10:46.03 | nidO | where almost every headline conveniently didnt mention they were all aftermarket batteries, and badly hurt nokia's reputation as a result |
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| 10:46.17 | DocScrutinizer | nidO: anyway, some nokia guys were positive about getting sysfs nodes for both bq-chips |
| 10:46.25 | cehteh | mhm maybe i have some plugs from a old ac adapter |
| 10:46.31 | BCMM | where they "proper" exploding batteries, like the dell fireballs? |
| 10:46.32 | DocScrutinizer | which would kill bme implicitly |
| 10:46.38 | Khertan | Hello all ! |
| 10:46.49 | BCMM | ^were |
| 10:46.56 | nidO | BCMM in a lot of cases they were blow-the-phone-apart exploding batteries yeah |
| 10:47.00 | BCMM | heh |
| 10:47.14 | BCMM | those are kinda awesome; wouldn't want one in my pocket |
| 10:47.25 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: conrad electronic |
| 10:47.34 | BCMM | yeah, i can imagine the media wouldn't want to let details interfere with something that eye-catching |
| 10:47.37 | SpeedEvil | ponders the making of fireproof pocket liners. |
| 10:48.00 | Arkenklo | that would be an awesome demonstration on how open a device is; "and now, I will initiate a malfunction that will cause the device to explode" |
| 10:48.07 | cehteh | meh .. means 20 cent for the plug and 8Eur shipping or so |
| 10:48.13 | BCMM | heh |
| 10:48.17 | BCMM | hmm |
| 10:48.19 | BCMM | malware |
| 10:49.08 | BCMM | i mean, one reason to be really careful is so that it isn't possible to blow up people's phones over IRC |
| 10:49.21 | BCMM | "yeah, just type curl FOO | sh" |
| 10:49.26 | BCMM | "should fix it" |
| 10:50.07 | SpeedEvil | you can destroy the flash led |
| 10:50.15 | Arkenklo | that's no reason to completely disable the function |
| 10:50.22 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: how come? |
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| 10:51.21 | Khertan | battery can be drain fast too by some apps ... which will reduce his life ... i suggest to unactivate it to avoid such problem |
| 10:51.23 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:51.32 | RST38h | "And now, the penguin standing at your TV will explode..." |
| 10:51.48 | RST38h | Moo, Khertan |
| 10:51.55 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: the flash is only rated for 0.5s |
| 10:52.01 | Khertan | Hi Rst38h! |
| 10:52.18 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: if you flash 7200 times in a row, it will melt |
| 10:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | nidO: and you bet a set of proper sysfs nodes allowing to talk to the usb charger chip without doing something bad - this for sure is less dangerous than guys hacking away with nondocumented bme and making all kinds of mistakes (though even those can't simply make the cell go boom) |
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| 10:53.00 | BCMM | see, it seems to me that the logical thing to do is let the software do whatever it wants, but have a very simple chip or circuit in the flash that doesn't let that happen |
| 10:53.37 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: there is simple, and there is 'adds $.10 to the price.' |
| 10:53.44 | BCMM | yeah |
| 10:53.55 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenklo: not possible |
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| 10:54.03 | SpeedEvil | Bulletproof everything, and those .10s add up |
| 10:54.27 | Arkenklo | DocScrutinizer: huh? |
| 10:54.33 | BCMM | would have the advantage that faults in their own software wouldn't kill things either |
| 10:54.44 | BCMM | for example, my computer is running a completely open-source system |
| 10:55.01 | BCMM | but if i overheat it, the BIOS is going to poweroff regardless |
| 10:55.05 | BCMM | this is a good thing |
| 10:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenklo: ""initiate a malfunction that will cause the device to explode"" |
| 10:55.14 | DocScrutinizer | not possible |
| 10:55.49 | Arkenklo | DocScrutinizer: obviously, that's just an example |
| 10:56.12 | BCMM | why not? it's at least theoretically possible to mishandle a battery till it explodes |
| 10:56.28 | DocScrutinizer | NO it's NOT |
| 10:56.51 | SpeedEvil | the hardware enforces the not explode condition. |
| 10:57.08 | SpeedEvil | the worst you can do is wear the battery. |
| 10:57.20 | DocScrutinizer | unless you take a soldering iron and short all the saftety chips in phone and battery |
| 10:57.23 | Arkenklo | what if I've built in a small explosive charge that goes off when the load goes above a certain treshold? |
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| 10:58.33 | DocScrutinizer | that's clearly a very nasty case of "take a soldering iron and short all the saftety chips in phone and battery" |
| 10:58.34 | BCMM | well, if the hardware actually does have a "don't explode" function, then i can indeed see no reason not to open it up |
| 10:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | exactly, now we talk |
| 10:59.14 | BCMM | you know, nearly any software-controlled explosion is amusing |
| 10:59.21 | BCMM | exploding USB stick |
| 11:00.11 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: seem hardware has at least 3 such dont-explode safeguards |
| 11:00.24 | BCMM | heh, what was it? |
| 11:00.37 | BCMM | and for the battery, or something explodey-er |
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| 11:02.33 | BCMM | oh, you said seem, not seen |
| 11:03.29 | SpeedEvil | leaves to spread his (grass) seed on the ground. |
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| 11:04.16 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: seems was for the '3'. Maybe I'll count 5 in the end |
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| 11:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | everybody dreaming of exploding batteries: get http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/lit/getliterature.tsp?genericPartNumber=bq24150&fileType=pdf |
| 11:10.36 | DocScrutinizer | this chip is designed for no-explode. from very beginning down to every single transistor |
| 11:11.28 | derf | What fun is not exploding? |
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| 11:17.26 | RST38h | RX-99! |
| 11:17.36 | RST38h | hides |
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| 11:20.08 | RST38h | http://mynokiablog.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/nokia-rx-992.jpg?w=536 |
| 11:20.41 | RST38h | Looks like N900 with power button at the other side |
| 11:21.05 | pupnik | 64GB |
| 11:21.10 | aquatix | nom |
| 11:21.22 | kapu | am nom nom nom |
| 11:21.37 | RobbieAB | Awww... I shoulda waited a few months to get my N900 :p |
| 11:22.10 | pupnik | > 1200 mAh plsssss |
| 11:22.21 | kapu | what does n900 pays these days? |
| 11:22.23 | pupnik | gets on knees |
| 11:22.44 | RST38h | descends from the skies on a power cord |
| 11:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | strips off the isolation from that power cord with his teeth, and attaches the blank ends to a ignition device |
| 11:27.38 | DocScrutinizer | 's contacts |
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| 11:28.16 | Arif_ | yawns |
| 11:28.29 | DocScrutinizer | let's see what's up there to blast away |
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| 11:30.23 | trumee | guys, what part of the desktop is the region which has the date applet |
| 11:30.29 | trumee | is it the status bar? |
| 11:31.16 | janneg | suspects that the RX-99 will be released in 363 days as N0104 |
| 11:32.15 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 11:32.42 | Arif_ | sounds like a great model name |
| 11:33.04 | trumee | is it possible to write a qt application to display a second time applet for a second time zone. |
| 11:33.32 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 11:33.49 | Arif_ | you can set timezones in the clock, so probably yes |
| 11:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | at least in theory |
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| 11:34.21 | pupnik | http://meegonews.com/2010/03/31/meego-summit-2010-in-planning-for-oct-2010/ |
| 11:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | though clock eats up so much space in systray, you probably will hear comments like "why isn't that a widget?" |
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| 11:35.43 | Arif_ | I'd like a battery indicator on the slide to unlock screen ;( |
| 11:35.51 | haltdef | hrm, don't suppose there's a way to reassign the volume and camera button under media player? |
| 11:35.57 | SpeedEvil | I want a puppy. |
| 11:36.03 | haltdef | prev, next and pause would be handy :P |
| 11:36.13 | DocScrutinizer | I want a box full of N900 |
| 11:36.18 | SpeedEvil | is having stir-fry tonight. |
| 11:36.23 | Arif_ | haltdef, use spacebar and arrows! |
| 11:36.32 | haltdef | no, messy |
| 11:36.33 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: but you have one! |
| 11:36.45 | DocScrutinizer | not exactly |
| 11:37.02 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: :/ |
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| 11:37.16 | SpeedEvil | oh - working n900s |
| 11:37.43 | SpeedEvil | actually. the screen in direct sun is ok |
| 11:37.51 | SpeedEvil | colours are a bit wierd |
| 11:37.52 | Arif_ | I want a DSi XL in white :( |
| 11:38.03 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: this example of QStatusbar seems to suggest that the statusbar is a the bottom. http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/How_to_use_QStatusBar_on_Qt_for_Maemo |
| 11:38.51 | trumee | trumee: or am i looking at the wrong class. |
| 11:39.02 | SpeedEvil | in sunlight, backlight off and full on are not differentiable. |
| 11:39.06 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: or am i looking at the wrong class. |
| 11:39.53 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: sw-devel ignorant here, sorry |
| 11:41.11 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: probably that's legacy from desktop-qt doc, if it says status bar is lower end of screen |
| 11:42.33 | RST38h | trumme: This is the application-specific status bar |
| 11:42.36 | RST38h | NOT system wide |
| 11:42.47 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: nah, that's not the systray of N900 desktop |
| 11:42.57 | RST38h | And I doubt it will be included into the UI style guide |
| 11:43.25 | RST38h | looks like a standard status bar found in desktop windows (your desktop FireFox has it) |
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| 11:43.43 | trumee | RST38h: how do i add a second clock using qt code? |
| 11:43.44 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 11:44.19 | RST38h | trumee: How do I know? |
| 11:44.38 | trumee | qt-maemo is all silent today. |
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| 11:46.14 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: I'd suggest you study a few programs that actually add something to systray (e.g. load applet). Dunno if some of them are qt-based yet |
| 11:47.18 | MohammadAG_ | <Arif_> sounds like a great model name |
| 11:47.25 | MohammadAG_ | the N8-00 sounds better |
| 11:47.37 | Arif_ | en eight dash zero zero? |
| 11:47.44 | MohammadAG_ | goes to to local phone shop and says "I want a Nokia N8 dash double 0" |
| 11:47.56 | crashanddie | Arif_: DSi XL is crap |
| 11:48.09 | DocScrutinizer | en eight dash-toilet |
| 11:48.31 | Arif_ | crashanddie, not much choice when the only alternative is a psp with 3 games released for it ;( |
| 11:48.47 | crashanddie | Arif_: go for the regular DSi |
| 11:48.47 | MohammadAG_ | Arif_, get a Pandora :P |
| 11:48.55 | crashanddie | Arif_: and the PSP has heaps of games for it |
| 11:49.06 | Arif_ | most are PS2 ports ;( |
| 11:49.14 | Arif_ | why go for the normal DSi |
| 11:49.17 | Termana | iPad anyone?..... anyone?.... ok maybe not |
| 11:49.18 | MohammadAG_ | Arif_, some of them are awesome |
| 11:49.19 | Arif_ | I want the bigger screens =D |
| 11:49.30 | Arif_ | MohammadAG, yeah there are some good games |
| 11:49.34 | Arif_ | but I already played them :D |
| 11:49.34 | DocScrutinizer | Arif_: get a gameboy |
| 11:49.37 | MohammadAG_ | Arif_, get a PS3 :p |
| 11:49.39 | MohammadAG_ | lol |
| 11:49.48 | Arif_ | I have a GB color sitting here somewhere |
| 11:50.03 | Arif_ | Mario Bros DX <3 |
| 11:50.27 | MohammadAG_ | Get a portable atari |
| 11:50.34 | Arif_ | what about a Nomad |
| 11:50.36 | Arif_ | =P |
| 11:51.00 | DocScrutinizer | Amiga A50K portable |
| 11:51.12 | Arif_ | buys a Dingoo |
| 11:51.18 | crashanddie | just stop being a nerd and playing on go, get yourself a ps3 and a book |
| 11:51.33 | crashanddie | s/ go/ the go/ |
| 11:51.42 | crashanddie | ~thanks |
| 11:51.42 | infobot | crashanddie: no problem |
| 11:51.42 | DocScrutinizer | or even better, a book about ps3 |
| 11:52.01 | Pforce | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Gbck7B7B |
| 11:52.07 | MohammadAG_ | crashanddie, umm, why the book lol |
| 11:52.10 | Pforce | anyone know why that would happen |
| 11:52.23 | crashanddie | MohammadAG_: to have something to do while you're on the go? |
| 11:52.29 | Pforce | ive done apt-get update / dist-upgrade |
| 11:52.34 | Pforce | seems everything is up to date |
| 11:52.36 | Arif_ | I don't want to be a part of killing allt hose trees! :( |
| 11:52.41 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: to test how much the brain degrades from one day to another |
| 11:52.44 | Pforce | but i cant find libqt4 from /usr/lib |
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| 11:53.04 | MohammadAG_ | crashanddie, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9sXhYlIfRY |
| 11:53.08 | crashanddie | Pforce: is the error message not descriptive enough? |
| 11:53.22 | Arif_ | reading a book is a bit hard when your sight is craptastic, too |
| 11:53.23 | Arif_ | ={ |
| 11:53.23 | MohammadAG_ | see crashanddie? a book isn't necessary |
| 11:53.40 | DocScrutinizer | Arif_: ahh yes. I remember |
| 11:53.45 | DocScrutinizer | Arif_: genetic? |
| 11:53.48 | crashanddie | Arif_: oh fuck off with that lame excuse |
| 11:54.07 | crashanddie | Arif_: saying you can't read a book because your eyesight is crap is about as credible as saying you're a fat fuck because of a glandular problem. |
| 11:54.29 | Arif_ | crashanddie, I really can't... |
| 11:54.44 | crashanddie | you don't want to read a book, but you don't mind playing around with an n900 and psp/nintendo ds? bollocks |
| 11:55.08 | Arif_ | they're not exactly the same are they? |
| 11:55.17 | DocScrutinizer | says a lot about how much Arif_ loves the N900 |
| 11:55.49 | Pforce | crashanddie: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ADMfm5jV |
| 11:55.56 | Termana | crashanddie: I think thats a bit rude, what if there were overweight people in this channel. You've just alienated them by calling them fat fucks. And then you insult someone by saying its bullshit that they can't read a book. Sorry Mr. Perfect Vision |
| 11:55.57 | Pforce | i cannot upgrade what it wants |
| 11:56.03 | Pforce | thats why im asking why is that |
| 11:56.27 | crashanddie | Termana: no I insulted obese people who use stupid excuses for their lack of will |
| 11:56.28 | Pforce | and why qt is not coming to me with dist-upgrade |
| 11:57.04 | crashanddie | Termana: why can't people just admit they can't be bothered to read a book? Get a kindle and you can have the print size you want, regardless of the book |
| 11:57.31 | lcuk | humans have macro zoom capabilities |
| 11:57.40 | lcuk | just bring the book closer or further away from their eyes |
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| 11:57.57 | Pforce | did qt have its own maemo channel |
| 11:57.59 | Pforce | i cant remember |
| 11:58.07 | Pforce | or a dev channel for maemo |
| 11:58.11 | lcuk | yes Pforce #qt-maemo |
| 11:58.14 | lcuk | but whats your boggle |
| 11:58.15 | Pforce | thanks |
| 11:58.28 | lcuk | did it get lost in the boofight |
| 11:58.31 | lcuk | book |
| 11:58.42 | Pforce | yes :) |
| 11:58.43 | crashanddie | it was a boofight too :P |
| 11:58.56 | Pforce | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ADMfm5jV + http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ADMfm5jV |
| 11:59.09 | Pforce | so i think i got the pr1.2 stuff |
| 11:59.20 | Pforce | but i cant find libqt* from /usr/lib |
| 11:59.33 | Pforce | when i try get it manually it says that |
| 11:59.38 | lcuk | ahh on the device? |
| 11:59.49 | Pforce | no in sdk |
| 11:59.54 | Pforce | scratchbox |
| 12:00.12 | Pforce | ive must have fucked something up with the deps |
| 12:00.25 | lcuk | looks that way - but those links are about sqlite |
| 12:00.26 | lcuk | not about qt |
| 12:00.40 | Pforce | yes well libqt4-dev needs sqlite |
| 12:01.04 | Pforce | at its too old in my scratchbox, when i go to update it it says sqlite is latest version |
| 12:01.09 | Pforce | kind of a funny situation |
| 12:01.34 | lcuk | which sqlite does it need |
| 12:01.48 | lcuk | cos it is the latest for maemo at least |
| 12:01.50 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=libsqlite3 |
| 12:02.53 | Pforce | yeah 3.6.14 seems not to be enough for libqt4. ugh |
| 12:03.06 | Pforce | is there an easy way to reset scratchbox :) |
| 12:03.17 | Pforce | could do remove to sqlite stuff and try dist upgrade then |
| 12:03.29 | Pforce | qt should come with that but its not doing that |
| 12:03.44 | Pforce | i have extras and devel-extras as sources |
| 12:03.58 | lcuk | doesnt qt have its own sqlite? |
| 12:04.22 | Pforce | i think when you build qt, you can define it you want it to use sys sqlite |
| 12:04.30 | Pforce | in configure |
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| 12:08.28 | lcuk | Pforce, mmm perhaps you are caught up in the sdl upgrade |
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| 12:08.53 | lcuk | but the qt sqlite requires the correct version of sqlite3 |
| 12:08.58 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libqt4-maemo5-sql-sqlite/4.6.2~git20100212-0maemo1/ |
| 12:09.22 | lcuk | (dependencies shown there etc) |
| 12:09.48 | lcuk | maemo packages interface is quite nice and helpful :) |
| 12:09.49 | Pforce | yeah, i think thats old due name has maemo5? wasnt it that they are now without maemo5 |
| 12:10.01 | Pforce | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/04/01/pr-12-sdk-for-maemo-released-with-qt-46/ |
| 12:10.11 | Pforce | but anyways deps are prolly the same |
| 12:10.29 | Pforce | so according to that 3.6.14 should be enough, and i have that |
| 12:10.46 | Pforce | maybe i just boot up a new VM sdk and try with a fresh start :) |
| 12:11.03 | Pforce | i just build a lot of stuff inside that like ogre, boost, poco etc :( |
| 12:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=379649&postcount=6 |
| 12:11.15 | Pforce | will have to go trought the trouble again |
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| 12:12.32 | Pforce | thats messed up to shout to him without knowing the full situation :P |
| 12:12.57 | Pforce | he left too without saying anything |
| 12:14.25 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: and? |
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| 12:15.27 | lcuk | crashanddie, i think the general feeling is you shout at people and generally act in an arrogant and condescending manner |
| 12:17.04 | DocScrutinizer | probably books tend to be problematic, without some additional help like a N900-magnifying-glass app |
| 12:17.04 | Pforce | people come here for help, you saying read a book blind bat or something doesent really help :) just saying |
| 12:18.02 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 12:18.21 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, a proper using camer magnifier for real world stuff, or an onscreen app to magnify onscreen stuff |
| 12:18.25 | lcuk | morning jaffa \o |
| 12:18.37 | Jaffa | Morningish, I guess |
| 12:18.42 | lcuk | or should i say, morning sith-lord jaffa \o |
| 12:19.08 | Jaffa | At last we shall reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we shall have our revenge. |
| 12:19.33 | lcuk | as long as jarjar binks snt around we are ok |
| 12:20.02 | Jaffa | Anyone got, or know of, any photos of javispedro or achipa? Possibly from the summits? |
| 12:20.39 | lcuk | javispedro is illusive, i tried taking a photo of him but it turned out blank |
| 12:20.46 | lcuk | and for some reason i couldnt see him in a mirror |
| 12:20.52 | Ken-Young | I have uploaded a number of new screenshots to a wiki.maemo.org wiki page. They replace screenshorts from an earlier version of my program. THe updated images appear on the wiki page for a few minutes, afterwhich the wiki reverts to showing the old version of the images. Does anyone have any idea what might cause that? The log for the image file lists the newly uploaded versions, but the old versions are still displayed, even after clearing the brows |
| 12:20.52 | Ken-Young | er cache, etc. |
| 12:21.37 | lcuk | Ken-Young, i know the description fields do that - cos it automatically refreshes them from the package itself |
| 12:21.43 | lcuk | but i'd not heard of it for photos |
| 12:21.56 | lcuk | ahh on the wiki, not sure |
| 12:21.58 | lcuk | link? |
| 12:22.01 | Jaffa | Ken-Young: Done a shift-reload in your browser to ensure that no intermediary caches are the problem? |
| 12:22.12 | Ken-Young | lcuk, Yeah - the problem is image only. THe text changes on the wiki work properly. |
| 12:22.58 | SpeedEvil | Ken-Young: what sort of isp |
| 12:23.34 | SpeedEvil | Ken-Young: some vcell prolviders do dodgy image compression, which might break |
| 12:23.35 | Ken-Young | Jaffa, shift-reload doesn't fix it. The very odd thing is that the new versions show up for a while, 10 minutes or so, and then the wiki starts fetching the old versions again. |
| 12:23.47 | nidO | you're on a uni network? every possibility theres a proxy cache in your way |
| 12:24.09 | RST38h | suspects proxy cache has nothing to do with this |
| 12:24.14 | lcuk | Ken-Young, this thread is useless without links |
| 12:24.19 | SpeedEvil | limk, with description of new img? |
| 12:24.21 | RST38h | Ken-Young: try accessing that page via https:// |
| 12:25.09 | Ken-Young | lcuk, This is the page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Orrery |
| 12:25.29 | nidO | whatre the differences between the new/old pictures |
| 12:26.11 | lcuk | Ken-Young, which pics specifically |
| 12:26.12 | crashanddie | lcuk: checked the name of my blog lately? |
| 12:26.30 | Ken-Young | nidO, both new and old are screenshots. The differences are minor changes introduced in a newer version of the app. |
| 12:26.43 | lcuk | yes crashanddie :) i know thats how you are, but plenty of people dont like that sort of attitude when they want to talk with others |
| 12:27.17 | crashanddie | To quote the great Jeremius Clarksonius, "Not my problem". |
| 12:27.19 | Ken-Young | lcuk, https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:OrreryOtherPagesMenu.png among others. |
| 12:27.35 | nidO | Ken-Young - I see the new images fine |
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| 12:28.34 | Ken-Young | nidO, How do you know you're seeing the new version? |
| 12:29.07 | nidO | because im looking at what you uploaded 2 hours ago according to the recent changes, and whats on the page itself is the same |
| 12:29.28 | lcuk | i see 3 variations of the same file in history - appear to be identical |
| 12:29.49 | Ken-Young | lcuk, Yup, that's the problem. They aren't identical. |
| 12:29.55 | lcuk | nods |
| 12:30.13 | crashanddie | "My neighbourhood has been overrun by baboons" |
| 12:30.18 | Ken-Young | lcuk, It's just fetching the same, old image, no matter which you select. |
| 12:30.35 | nidO | Ken-Young: we need specifics on a change in at least one image here. |
| 12:30.37 | lcuk | ken, just as a test - upload the new image but with a new filename |
| 12:30.50 | nidO | the easiest way is to tell us the time shown in the old image and new one |
| 12:30.50 | lcuk | so we can see its difference |
| 12:30.59 | crashanddie | http://imagebin.com |
| 12:31.15 | crashanddie | woops |
| 12:31.18 | crashanddie | http://imagebin.org |
| 12:33.04 | Ken-Young | http://imagebin.org/91450 shows what *should* appear. |
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| 12:35.53 | nidO | mind if I try re-upping that image? |
| 12:36.18 | Ken-Young | nidO, Please do! |
| 12:36.40 | lcuk | jaffa fancy taking a quick poll :D http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49076 |
| 12:37.39 | nidO | right iv reuploaded OrreyOtherPagesMenu.png and the new image is displaying fine in both the file history and main wiki page for me atm |
| 12:38.13 | Ken-Young | nidO, It works when I upload it too, but then reverts to the old version 10 or 15 minutes later. |
| 12:38.23 | nidO | lets give it 10 or 15 mins then :p |
| 12:39.25 | frals | give it an hour for the change to propagate over the cdn/cache? |
| 12:39.28 | Ken-Young | nidO, I wonder if the fact that I've updated about a dozen images in quick succession triggers some sort of spam protection that kicks in and deletes my new versions. |
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| 12:39.40 | SpeedEvil | Ken-Young: browsershits.org |
| 12:39.42 | SpeedEvil | Ken-Young: browsershots.org |
| 12:39.54 | lcuk | waves at frals o |
| 12:40.05 | frals | waves at lcuk o/ |
| 12:40.08 | Ken-Young | frals, I did the original image uploads 8 hours or so ago. |
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| 12:40.28 | frals | ah, id poke X-Fade or whoevers responsible for the wiki in that case |
| 12:40.55 | lcuk | well lets see if it just doesnt like ken first |
| 12:41.09 | Ken-Young | SpeedEvil, Wow - browsershits seems available. I'm gonna register that puppy. |
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| 12:41.56 | frals | lcuk: good point ;) |
| 12:42.16 | crashanddie | lcuk: answered to your virii/fora questions :) |
| 12:42.25 | lcuk | :D |
| 12:42.28 | lcuk | i saw seb |
| 12:42.49 | RST38h | Ah, the ritual of poking X-Fade has finally been invoked |
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| 12:43.10 | crashanddie | X-Fade poke X-Fade poke X-Fade poke X-Fade poke X-Fade poke X-Fade poke X-Fade poke X-Fade poke X-Fade poke X-Fade |
| 12:44.14 | VDVsx | ~poke crashanddie |
| 12:44.14 | infobot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind crashanddie, pokes crashanddie repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 12:44.20 | VDVsx | :DE |
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| 12:45.12 | RST38h | And ehlo VDVsx |
| 12:45.32 | VDVsx | hey RST38h :) |
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| 12:45.51 | Jaffa | lcuk: Is that the fora one? Missing option: "depends how pretentious, smug and superior I'm feeling" ;-) |
| 12:45.54 | LuciusMare | hi, i enabled the "tools" repository at my tablet, what key do i need? (following packages could not be authenticated...) |
| 12:46.07 | lcuk | isn't poking x-fade like talking about candleja |
| 12:46.20 | Jaffa | LuciusMare: Doesn't really matter, you can ignore the warning. |
| 12:46.26 | lcuk | lol jaffa |
| 12:46.46 | Jaffa | LuciusMare: To make the warning go away you'd need to import the GPG key of the repo (if there is one) |
| 12:47.06 | LuciusMare | Yes, I know, I just dont know what key :) |
| 12:47.55 | MaikB | After I mv'ed and ln -s'ed /var/cache/apt and /var/lib/apt to /home I started playing with what's to install. I found the qdebusviewer and like to thank who ever packaged it! |
| 12:48.01 | lcuk | mmm i used to add sdk and tools all the time for my device? |
| 12:48.17 | lcuk | or was that in app manager? |
| 12:48.17 | MaikB | it will make things much easier |
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| 12:53.46 | crashanddie | lcuk: where's the odz app? Is it in extras or extras-test? |
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| 12:54.45 | lcuk | testing as well as devel |
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| 12:54.56 | lcuk | i have been busy with other matters recently |
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| 12:59.12 | pupnik | what are they really. ... what.... matters |
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| 12:59.47 | lcuk | goes feeding ducks |
| 12:59.51 | lcuk | and to the fair |
| 12:59.56 | crashanddie | enjoy gub |
| 12:59.58 | crashanddie | guv** |
| 13:00.07 | Arkenoi | how much does n900 cost in emirates? |
| 13:00.32 | crashanddie | didn't see it |
| 13:00.44 | Arkenoi | i purchased one here in Russia for $620, and it was imported from emirates |
| 13:01.06 | Ken-Young | nidO, The version of the image you uploaded is still being displayed. I'm going to try modifying one image per hour, and see if that works. Thank you for your help! |
| 13:01.11 | Arkenoi | so it must be really cheap there |
| 13:01.19 | lcuk | Arkenoi, you should be on the map then! http://pininthemap.com/maemo |
| 13:01.44 | lcuk | (theres a lack of russian participation when we know russians have devices) |
| 13:02.03 | lcuk | cya later seb \o and everyone else too |
| 13:02.12 | crashanddie | in soviet russia, n900 participates you? |
| 13:02.16 | crashanddie | take care lcuk |
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| 13:08.30 | LuciusMare | Oh, and, anybody successefully dualbooted a different system at n900 off the microsd card? |
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| 13:10.00 | pupnik | go for it |
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| 13:11.25 | Ken-Young | nidO, I spoke too soon. Now the wiki has reverted to the old image, ignoring the new version that you uploaded for me. |
| 13:12.16 | Ken-Young | So it lasted about 1/2 hour. |
| 13:13.44 | MohammadAG_ | so, the N900 was overclocked |
| 13:14.31 | MohammadAG_ | wonders how long it will be till the poster says it got fried |
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| 13:14.55 | LuciusMare | you overclocked your n900? |
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| 13:21.38 | MohammadAG_ | LuciusMare, not me |
| 13:21.58 | MohammadAG_ | LuciusMare, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=592745#post592745 |
| 13:22.21 | crashanddie | anyone gotten the odz app working? |
| 13:22.52 | crashanddie | on snow leopard, that is |
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| 13:30.53 | RST38h | asks the Tentacled One to suck whatever passes for the brain in Gizmodo editors |
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| 13:32.28 | RST38h | Engadget too, please. |
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| 13:35.04 | vasily_pupkin | Hi! |
| 13:35.14 | VDVsx | RST38h, ipad stuff ? :D |
| 13:35.15 | vasily_pupkin | I have annoying problem with hildon |
| 13:35.41 | vasily_pupkin | if application is written in plain X wthout toolkit |
| 13:35.59 | vasily_pupkin | then no application button on task manager pannel appeared |
| 13:36.09 | vasily_pupkin | and i could find it only with wmctrl |
| 13:36.27 | vasily_pupkin | anybody knows how to fix this shit? |
| 13:39.29 | RST38h | VDVsx: Yep. I wonder if they have got an appl-efree rss feed. This is getting ridiculous. |
| 13:40.53 | SpeedEvil | any progress on running iphone apps? |
| 13:41.08 | VDVsx | RST38h, I think you can do that for engadget at least |
| 13:41.09 | SpeedEvil | I mean projects aiming at. |
| 13:43.01 | adalal | hey, anyone aware of a card transaction gateway application |
| 13:43.51 | RST38h | VDVsx: Searching for the proper feed url as we speak, but no doughnut so far |
| 13:45.06 | VDVsx | RST38h, there's like a exclude link, not sure how it work with rss, but works in the website |
| 13:45.30 | RST38h | hmmm |
| 13:45.37 | VDVsx | I've seen this for M$ stuff, I hope there's one for apple as well :D |
| 13:46.13 | VDVsx | RST38h, http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/02/sick-of-all-the-apple-news-were-here-for-you/ |
| 13:46.15 | VDVsx | ehehe |
| 13:46.27 | adalal | hey a quick question, any idea as to why i can't install quite a lot of stuff in the repositories? |
| 13:46.43 | Arkenklo | adalal: are you root? |
| 13:47.01 | adalal | Arkenklo: yeah... this is through the app manager |
| 13:47.18 | adalal | Arkenklo: apparently, the dependencies aren't being fulfilled, i've installed them before |
| 13:49.12 | Arkenklo | it sounds like a problem you'd get by messing around with repositories |
| 13:49.14 | RST38h | VDVsx: cooooooooooool |
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| 13:51.05 | MohammadAG_ | LOL /exclude/exclude switches to Apple only news |
| 13:52.43 | RST38h | All righty, Apple is gone. |
| 13:52.55 | RST38h | Now just need to do the same with Gizmodo... |
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| 14:02.55 | pupnik | why is microb text-select broken? i click on arrow then drag over text ... and the WEBPAGE MOVES |
| 14:04.26 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, because the arrow state is fscking confusing? |
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| 14:04.36 | GeneralAntilles | The icon makes no sense, the action when you activate it makes no sense. |
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| 14:05.37 | ShadowJK | if the icon goes away then you're not using the arrow |
| 14:06.53 | Jaffa | Ken-Young: I'm seeing the same problems with photos I updated yesterday |
| 14:07.13 | Jaffa | Ken-Young: X-Fade: the wiki photos I updated yesterday (such as http://wiki.maemo.org/images/e/e9/Mcc-andrew_flegg.jpg) have completed reverted |
| 14:07.15 | GeneralAntilles | wonders why the Android trolling blog post on Planet is getting so many hearts. |
| 14:08.14 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: yo! i mean whats the deal? it is seriously up to chance whether it selects or drags |
| 14:08.31 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, UI designers being too clever. |
| 14:08.41 | pupnik | and i dont see people complaining |
| 14:09.41 | Ken-Young | Jaffa, I finally gave up, and am taking the sledgehammer approach. I'm uploading the images with new names, and updating the wiki text to point to the new names. |
| 14:10.00 | Jaffa | wonders if X-Fade is awake. |
| 14:10.02 | RST38h | General: Maybe everyone is fed up with critical Maemo bugs and shortcomings going unresolved for months? |
| 14:10.04 | Jaffa | ~seen X-Fade |
| 14:10.07 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 170 messages. Is idling for 1d 4h 33m 12s, last said: 'talmai: Can you try again?'. |
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| 14:13.35 | Ken-Young | Jaffa, Thanks for letting me know you see the same problem. I was starting to feel picked on. |
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| 14:22.34 | VDVsx | OMG: "However people had travelled to the US from around the world to purchase a device. " -> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8601679.stm |
| 14:23.06 | GAN900 | RST38h, meh |
| 14:23.39 | Jaffa | GAN900: Do you know if there are some MIME type icons in the wiki already, for little icons for http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Javispedro/Community_Council#Media |
| 14:23.54 | MohammadAG_ | VDVsx, it would've been easier if they imported it lol |
| 14:24.15 | GAN900 | Jaffa, should be |
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| 14:24.38 | Jaffa | GAN900: Know how/where? :-) |
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| 14:25.07 | GAN900 | Jaffa, we lost all of the CSS for that stuff when X-Fade nuked the default stylesheet to keep it from trampling all over the maemo.org CSS |
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| 14:25.19 | GAN900 | um, not sure they're actually in the db |
| 14:25.26 | GAN900 | May just be on the server. |
| 14:25.39 | GAN900 | Check the mediawiki stylesheet. |
| 14:25.57 | Jaffa | GAN900: Aha: http://wiki.maemo.org/skins/common/images/icons/ |
| 14:25.59 | Jaffa | GAN900: Ta |
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| 14:27.25 | cityligh1s | hi all , I need some programing help |
| 14:27.53 | cityligh1s | I plan to use dbus-script to trigger openvpn connection when connected via gprs or wifi |
| 14:28.34 | cityligh1s | who can I tell if I move from a gprs to a wifi connection and I am still connected - and dont need to stop openvpn? |
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| 14:30.54 | cityligh1s | so I basicly want to make a note and leave openvpn running as long as one connection is up |
| 14:31.28 | cityligh1s | but dbus last messge is that a connection went idle.... |
| 14:36.30 | MohammadAG_ | is the CPU physically near the camera? |
| 14:38.07 | w00t_ | lcuk: hehe, me too :) |
| 14:41.23 | cityligh1s | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.43 | MohammadAG_ | shoot |
| 14:42.07 | cityligh1s | I want to control openvpn from a bash script |
| 14:42.25 | cityligh1s | I am using dbus-script to call a bash script |
| 14:42.50 | cityligh1s | when gprs is CONNECTED I spin openvpn with start |
| 14:42.58 | lcuk | bah shortest trip ever - its raining |
| 14:43.04 | lcuk | w00t_, you too what? |
| 14:43.26 | cityligh1s | but , when I switch to wifi, first the script is called with - CONNECTED |
| 14:43.41 | cityligh1s | then the script is called when gprs goes idle |
| 14:44.15 | w00t_ | lcuk: stayed up rather late/early |
| 14:44.20 | cityligh1s | so, I want to keep opevpn runing , yet I got a idle call - which usually trigers openvpn stop |
| 14:44.35 | MohammadAG_ | well atm I'm following, but I'm not sure if I can help with this |
| 14:44.38 | cityligh1s | how can I keep a record and know what to do? |
| 14:44.41 | lcuk | w00t_, not really extra late/early i just posted for once instead :) i read most nights |
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| 14:45.20 | w00t_ | another nightowl, eh? |
| 14:45.21 | cityligh1s | how can I make a note? echo "gprs whent idle">>/var/tmp/openvpn.status |
| 14:45.37 | cityligh1s | and how to edit it ? |
| 14:46.42 | MohammadAG_ | cityligh1s, you're better off asking someone else, and I'm sure if anyone knew they'd answer :) |
| 14:46.45 | cityligh1s | MohammadAG_: I mean that if my script is , it makes a note that wifi is connected, then when gprs goes idle it will remeber that wifi is on and leave openvpn running |
| 14:46.54 | MohammadAG_ | Personally, I don't know, :( |
| 14:47.05 | cityligh1s | thaks |
| 14:47.23 | cityligh1s | I need some why to store status |
| 14:48.38 | cityligh1s | s/why/way |
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| 14:48.46 | kpel | cityligh1s: do you already know how to detect if gprs is idle? |
| 14:49.13 | cityligh1s | kpel: dbus-scripts will call my script with gprs and idle |
| 14:49.35 | cityligh1s | then I can create a file that will act as a flag |
| 14:49.51 | cityligh1s | otherwise I can read gconf - right? |
| 14:49.54 | kpel | cityligh1s: ok, then once you get the indication that gprs is idle can't you grep the output of ifconfig to see if wlan is on? |
| 14:50.18 | cityligh1s | hmm - good idea |
| 14:51.27 | kpel | i'm not sure what exactly you want but you can grep the output of ifconfig either to check if wifi is on or if it is on and connected (i.e. an IP is assigned to the wlan interface) |
| 14:51.47 | kpel | if you have iwconfig installed you can even check the nme of the wlan you are connected to. |
| 14:52.01 | cityligh1s | kpel: I want openvpn to run when there is an internet connection |
| 14:52.17 | cityligh1s | so after gprs is established - openvpn wil start |
| 14:52.39 | cityligh1s | otherwise if wifi is connected ->openvpn will start |
| 14:53.30 | cityligh1s | issue is when one of them goes idle. I first get a msg that the other is connected and then I get a msg that the other went odle |
| 14:53.33 | cityligh1s | idle |
| 14:53.50 | cityligh1s | so I need to keep track of them both |
| 14:53.51 | kpel | i wonder if there is already a way to call scripts/commands right after a network interface comes up. i think there is setup script somewhere |
| 14:54.05 | cityligh1s | dbus-scripts |
| 14:54.24 | kpel | ok, you solved that problem then |
| 14:54.32 | cityligh1s | not yet |
| 14:55.00 | cityligh1s | I need to supply a script to fugure out the situation |
| 14:55.17 | cityligh1s | so as to stop openvpn only when no connection is present |
| 14:55.23 | kpel | what happens if you start gprs, start openvpn, and then for some reason(e.g. poor signal) the gprs connection is lost? |
| 14:55.49 | cityligh1s | I corrently act by the last msg I got |
| 14:55.56 | kpel | do you shutdown openvpn, then scan for available wlan? |
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| 14:55.59 | cityligh1s | so when I get idle - I stop openvpn |
| 14:56.41 | cityligh1s | I dont know how to store info in a file |
| 14:57.07 | cityligh1s | I will just touch files then see if they exist , and remove them |
| 14:57.20 | kpel | i don't understand why an idle connection should be the same thing as a lost connection. |
| 14:57.24 | cityligh1s | I rather have all this info in one file |
| 14:57.46 | cityligh1s | kpel - this is the sort of messgaes dbus supplies |
| 14:58.17 | kpel | cityligh1s: what device do you have? N900? |
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| 14:58.34 | cityligh1s | N900 |
| 14:59.02 | kpel | is there anything in /etc/network ? |
| 14:59.06 | javispedro | moo |
| 14:59.34 | lcuk | hello javispedro \o |
| 15:00.05 | cityligh1s | kpel: yes , ovcoiurse |
| 15:01.03 | kpel | cityligh1s: i don't have an N900 but I think you can add your scripts in /etc/network if all you care about is the state of the interfaces (up or down) |
| 15:01.04 | javispedro | btw, how to add screenshots to Fremantle apps in downloads? For some reason, Midgard tells me I don't have enough permission to neither add new products nor edit existing ones. |
| 15:01.05 | pupnik | plays a fanfare for javispedro |
| 15:01.41 | javispedro | morning pupnik |
| 15:02.04 | kpel | i'm not sure i understand the reason dbus reports a connection as idle if it is actually gone |
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| 15:04.16 | noobmonk3y | ooooo good news is joikuspot works :D yay! |
| 15:04.31 | kpel | woohoo |
| 15:04.39 | noobmonk3y | :D :D - and pretty good speeds to :D |
| 15:05.07 | noobmonk3y | wonders how long his battery will last ;) |
| 15:05.09 | kpel | does it affect the battery of the phone too much? |
| 15:05.11 | javispedro | thinks someone messed his midgard permissions |
| 15:05.16 | kpel | ah, though the same |
| 15:05.21 | kpel | thought* |
| 15:05.29 | noobmonk3y | saying that, the latest update seems alot better on the battery] |
| 15:05.49 | noobmonk3y | its only using 1% cpu |
| 15:06.24 | noobmonk3y | think the first version sat around 4-%, so definite improvement |
| 15:06.29 | noobmonk3y | 40% |
| 15:06.30 | kpel | good stuff |
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| 15:09.12 | javispedro | ah well, somebody already posted the 800mhz omap3 kernel to the crazy overclockers thread |
| 15:09.20 | javispedro | was counting down for that |
| 15:10.12 | noobmonk3y | will brb |
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| 15:14.36 | Jaffa | Ken-Young: Can you raise a high priority bug against the wiki for the picture thing? |
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| 15:15.56 | pupnik | javispedro: got any news about OC tests on an actual N900? |
| 15:16.28 | javispedro | pupnik: you will be able to read them when all the crazy overclockers start frying theirs :) |
| 15:16.37 | Ken-Young | Jaffa Not right this moment, because I must dash off to change my work location, but I will later. |
| 15:16.57 | Jaffa | Ken-Young: Thanks. If you could ping me the bug number when you have, I'd appreciate it. |
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| 15:17.47 | pupnik | wonder if we will see mobiles with upgradeable cpus |
| 15:18.36 | javispedro | naaa, at least not until they are +$1200 |
| 15:18.59 | Ken-Young | Jaffa, Will do. |
| 15:19.43 | SpeedEvil | the n900 has an upgradable cpu |
| 15:20.09 | SpeedEvil | admittedly, not user replaceable. |
| 15:20.18 | SpeedEvil | (for most users) |
| 15:20.35 | sheepbat | really? |
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| 15:21.21 | amstan | hey guys, i appologise if this is offtopic, but does anyone here know which stores in the US carry the n900? |
| 15:21.43 | sheepbat | fry's used to carry it, but I don't know if any have supplies left |
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| 15:23.14 | lcuk | do i have to keep battery-graph / battery-eye open to do its logging, or do they have daemons? |
| 15:24.09 | valdyn | SpeedEvil: in a socket? |
| 15:24.40 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 15:24.56 | SpeedEvil | which is why I said most users can't |
| 15:25.15 | amstan | sheepbat: yeah.. i don't think there's any nearby here |
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| 15:33.38 | noobmonk3y | yup... joiku eats the battery lol |
| 15:33.44 | noobmonk3y | 10% in about 20 mins ;) |
| 15:33.44 | JZA | hi i got issues wit my n900 |
| 15:33.53 | JZA | it marks low memory |
| 15:33.55 | noobmonk3y | JZA, it needs to see a doctor ;) |
| 15:34.15 | JZA | and not sure how it got filled put |
| 15:34.15 | noobmonk3y | low memory, or low rootfs space? :D |
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| 15:34.59 | JZA | well itmarks low memory but i think thats what it really means |
| 15:35.10 | ShadowJK | lcuk, battery-eye has a daemon atleast |
| 15:35.11 | noobmonk3y | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space |
| 15:35.27 | JZA | what i wonder is how it got filled so quickly |
| 15:35.32 | ShadowJK | lcuk, the values are kinda lazily updated by bme when screen is off though.. like once every 2-4 hours or something |
| 15:35.34 | lcuk | yeah ShadowJK i just found out on the forums too thanks |
| 15:35.36 | ShadowJK | and never updated when charging |
| 15:35.37 | JZA | i hyavent installed much |
| 15:35.43 | noobmonk3y | jza - lots of things can cause it |
| 15:35.48 | lcuk | tis ok :) just trying different things |
| 15:35.52 | noobmonk3y | have you got extras devel and testing enabled? |
| 15:36.02 | JZA | yes |
| 15:36.14 | noobmonk3y | just disabling them saves 10mb + :D |
| 15:36.22 | noobmonk3y | only enable them when needed :D |
| 15:36.35 | JZA | ok |
| 15:36.41 | noobmonk3y | install python optify :D |
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| 15:36.53 | noobmonk3y | but theres other things you can do - all on the wiki page :D - http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space |
| 15:36.57 | RST38h | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnO4o3HuEzM |
| 15:37.08 | noobmonk3y | RST38h, posting porn again? |
| 15:37.15 | noobmonk3y | lcuk, Hello btw! |
| 15:37.20 | JZA | ok good advicel I'll try that |
| 15:37.27 | lcuk | oh hai noobmonk3y |
| 15:37.32 | noobmonk3y | JZA, More then welcome :D |
| 15:37.44 | noobmonk3y | lcuk, on joiku in butlins, pretty impressed with it :D |
| 15:38.13 | lcuk | o_O nice |
| 15:38.25 | lcuk | why arent you chasing the red coats around |
| 15:38.27 | noobmonk3y | tis 3g, but getting 600k/b a sec, so more then happy |
| 15:38.32 | noobmonk3y | lol cos they aint here |
| 15:38.40 | lcuk | yellow coats? |
| 15:38.40 | noobmonk3y | christians....... |
| 15:38.42 | noobmonk3y | took over |
| 15:38.49 | lcuk | its butlins? |
| 15:40.08 | noobmonk3y | yeah, christian festival |
| 15:40.18 | noobmonk3y | 20k of them |
| 15:40.22 | noobmonk3y | so lots of bibles |
| 15:42.18 | javispedro | Jaffa: testing the rss -> forum feature? |
| 15:42.53 | Jaffa | javispedro: Yeah ;-) |
| 15:43.29 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, ahhh so they cleared out and you are just using the site |
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| 15:44.02 | noobmonk3y | yup, still got some entertainment...... so will be swimming later :D - and the bowlong alley etc still open.... |
| 15:44.06 | noobmonk3y | bowling* |
| 15:44.16 | noobmonk3y | rest of the time is pyqt and photography, with a bit of kiting |
| 15:45.38 | Jaffa | Yay, it worked :-) |
| 15:46.10 | noobmonk3y | :D |
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| 15:47.36 | javispedro | Jaffa: yeah. the use of "big brother"-like fictional usernames backs me off a bit though |
| 15:48.03 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, which butlins are you at then |
| 15:48.13 | javispedro | Jaffa: (reminds me of bmo's "qa" user) |
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| 15:50.36 | Noobmonk3y_ | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 15:50.47 | Noobmonk3y_ | first joiku reboot....... |
| 15:51.02 | Noobmonk3y_ | actually first forced n900 reboot :( |
| 15:51.29 | Noobmonk3y_ | had to remove the battery to kick it back in too.... |
| 15:51.33 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y_, what are oyu using joiku for? 3g net tethering? |
| 15:51.39 | Noobmonk3y_ | yeah :) |
| 15:51.57 | lcuk | just plugs n900 into usb and runs from that, it charges and tethers at same time |
| 15:52.04 | Noobmonk3y_ | need to remembe to add bootreason to the healthcheck |
| 15:52.18 | Noobmonk3y_ | not figure out how to do that |
| 15:52.27 | lcuk | its just an option in ubuntu |
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| 15:52.32 | Noobmonk3y_ | will try it later. |
| 15:52.47 | lcuk | on the network list when i connect in pc suite mode i tihnk |
| 15:52.53 | lcuk | it just comes up and offers o2 prepaid |
| 15:53.13 | Noobmonk3y_ | cool. will reinstall nokia suite then |
| 15:53.21 | lcuk | i never put pcsuite on |
| 15:53.29 | lcuk | thats just on the n900 when i pluginusb |
| 15:53.53 | Ken-Young | Jaffa, The bug is 9833 |
| 15:54.16 | lcuk | bug 9833 |
| 15:54.18 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9833 maemo wiki does not allow image files to be replaced |
| 15:54.48 | lcuk | wishes that worked on all irc channels |
| 15:54.57 | lcuk | but i suppose a plugin on xchat would do that |
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| 16:00.12 | RST38h | Shit, how do I disable apple spam on Gizmodo? |
| 16:00.17 | RST38h | (in the rss feed that is) |
| 16:00.50 | javispedro | you hire a hitman and tell them not to post more apple ... news? |
| 16:01.38 | RST38h | javispedro: Is there a cleaner way, one that does not involve dirtying oneself with their bodily fluids? |
| 16:01.43 | pupnik | "apple's new iCon!" |
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| 16:02.59 | javispedro | takes a quick look at gizmodo only to find the proportion of apple-non apple news to be "average" |
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| 16:03.15 | javispedro | (aka 95% ;) ) |
| 16:03.57 | RST38h | these people are seriously sick |
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| 16:04.38 | RST38h | *or* it is a cargo cult |
| 16:05.12 | cityligh1s | sorry to ask : was pr1.2 releed? |
| 16:05.15 | cityligh1s | relesed? |
| 16:05.52 | RST38h | no |
| 16:05.52 | javispedro | RST38h: a suggestion: do not argue with Arch people ;) |
| 16:06.05 | RST38h | am I arguing? =) |
| 16:06.10 | RST38h | winks |
| 16:06.14 | Ken-Young | cityligh1s, I don't think so. |
| 16:06.40 | cityligh1s | RST38h : say I wanted to store the connection status for gprs and wifi in a bash script |
| 16:06.52 | cityligh1s | should I write it to a file and update that file? |
| 16:07.04 | cityligh1s | or is there a better way? |
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| 16:07.20 | cityligh1s | I am gettign the status on dbus events |
| 16:08.09 | RST38h | so what is wrong with writing it to a file? |
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| 16:09.00 | cityligh1s | RST38h: I am using dbus-scripts to catch dbus connection events, and using it to trigger openvpn stat/stop |
| 16:09.55 | cityligh1s | when I get gprs went idle it may mean that I switched to wifi, so I need to keep openvpn alive and not stop it |
| 16:10.17 | cityligh1s | yet sometimes gprs is done and no wifi is avail |
| 16:10.32 | cityligh1s | then I need to stop openvpn |
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| 16:12.28 | javispedro | must be dreaming. "why my next smartphone will be an android" in planet maemo |
| 16:13.15 | SpeedEvil | wants an android running maemo. |
| 16:13.16 | ptl_demands_PR12 | has read that and Nokia has been really dropping the ball. |
| 16:14.54 | ShadowJK | mameo.org content isn't decided by nokia.. |
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| 16:17.41 | ptl_demands_PR12 | PR1.2 content is :) |
| 16:18.17 | ShadowJK | The content is decided since february or something, and then they have to make it actually work :D |
| 16:18.59 | RST38h | ShadowJK: They have got More Important Things than making it work, remember that! |
| 16:19.13 | ShadowJK | like what |
| 16:19.57 | SpeedEvil | coke and hookers. |
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| 16:24.08 | lcuk | yeah, hookers make you thirsty |
| 16:24.38 | lcuk | eats chocolate |
| 16:24.40 | SpeedEvil | just be cateful. someone might slip you a bad one. |
| 16:24.50 | SpeedEvil | with corn syrup sweetner. |
| 16:25.00 | RST38h | Be catful, lcuk |
| 16:25.01 | lcuk | yeah, i once asked for a coke and was given a pepsi instead |
| 16:25.04 | lcuk | i had such a bad night |
| 16:25.13 | RST38h | as in, full of cats, I guess |
| 16:25.29 | javispedro | catful. I like it. |
| 16:25.43 | RST38h | ...let that picture haunt you in your bad dreams... |
| 16:25.46 | lcuk | :D our cats brought us a gift this morning :D |
| 16:25.55 | lcuk | one of them had actually managed to catch a mouse |
| 16:26.04 | cityligh1s | does anyone know if hrw is emplied by Nokia? |
| 16:26.12 | lcuk | i think however hte mouse gave up and sat infront of cat |
| 16:26.16 | lcuk | they are normally too lazy |
| 16:26.19 | javispedro | did I show you that nice piece of Haiku someone posted to tmo? |
| 16:26.26 | lcuk | no |
| 16:26.27 | javispedro | The Comparable is that the video running on 16 bit Windows, you become like the image appears in the photo gallery of the N900. |
| 16:27.01 | javispedro | it's missing the carrier returns, feel free to put them where you see fit. |
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| 16:28.12 | javispedro | pure poetry. |
| 16:29.49 | pupnik | wtf |
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| 16:31.05 | lcuk | javispedro, link! |
| 16:31.19 | javispedro | http://www.google.com/search?q=%22you+become+like+the+image%22 ;) |
| 16:33.13 | Jaffa | Ken-Young: Thanks |
| 16:35.05 | RST38h | attempts to become like the image of Christ, fails to attain bidimensionality |
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| 16:35.50 | SpeedEvil | lends RST38h 4 nails. |
| 16:35.51 | javispedro | at least you managed to gain the required color bit depth? |
| 16:36.15 | RST38h | Shouldn't require much, should it? |
| 16:36.17 | javispedro | (or to use 16-bit Windows like 3.11. It was never clear what the intention was to me.) |
| 16:37.16 | javispedro | has an stupid idea |
| 16:37.44 | RST38h | If Bochs is involved, don't. |
| 16:38.40 | MohammadAG_ | suppose I update the source of package, would it conflict with the original uploader if I uploaded it? or would the maintainer just change |
| 16:39.01 | lcuk | javispedro, playing video usually happens in yuv mode which has full 24bit gamut |
| 16:39.39 | pupnik | gonna name my dog gamut |
| 16:39.40 | javispedro | lcuk: exactly. xv goes straight to the omapc and thus can set even a 32bpp depth (that is, with an alpha channel) |
| 16:39.59 | javispedro | lcuk: thus my last question of a "test image" I can use to verify 16bpp vs 18bpp. |
| 16:40.05 | javispedro | cause clearly, it's not 24bpp (I can test that) |
| 16:40.10 | lcuk | but there is no alhpa overlay - i believe its just 24b |
| 16:40.36 | javispedro | lcuk: the omap dispc can be set up to do alpha blending |
| 16:40.46 | javispedro | on multiple "video windows" |
| 16:40.49 | RST38h | MohammadAG: To promote, the original maintainer has to press the button OR you should be added as maintainer |
| 16:40.51 | lcuk | which video mode/data format is yuva ? |
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| 16:40.56 | RST38h | then either of you can promote |
| 16:41.02 | lcuk | and is the alpha channel at full or half resolution? |
| 16:41.15 | javispedro | lcuk: dunno ;) I only saw rgba |
| 16:41.24 | lcuk | yes rgba is different |
| 16:41.36 | RST38h | javispedro: it is a 16bpp panel |
| 16:41.39 | lcuk | 32bit per pixel chunky format is nice |
| 16:42.00 | RST38h | lcuk: Not really, when you need to move 30 screenfuls a second |
| 16:42.00 | javispedro | RST38h: it might actually be 18bpp -- I have at this moment no way to deny or approve that. |
| 16:42.19 | RST38h | javispedro: Find the panel part number and check the net? =) |
| 16:42.24 | javispedro | RST38h: have the docs? |
| 16:42.34 | RST38h | javispedro: just specs should be sufficient |
| 16:42.35 | lcuk | RST38h, from a technical perspective the alignment and everything is a nice pure format |
| 16:42.45 | lcuk | i totally understand the limitations from bandwidth |
| 16:42.54 | RST38h | lcuk: Yea, but it is unnecessarily huge :) |
| 16:43.04 | lcuk | *nod* |
| 16:43.13 | RST38h | curses Nokia for moving to 32bpp for the latest Symbian phones |
| 16:43.15 | lcuk | this battle was run on desktops years ago |
| 16:43.26 | lcuk | voodoo stuck with 16bit whilst nvidia went full 32bit |
| 16:43.42 | RST38h | never had neither voodoo nor nvidia... |
| 16:43.55 | RST38h | Missed the war =) |
| 16:43.57 | lcuk | runs all desktops in 16bit mode still |
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| 16:44.11 | RST38h | yea, the LCD does not show more, on this laptop |
| 16:44.14 | javispedro | RST38h: the model no is acx565akm according to lma |
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| 16:44.57 | javispedro | all I cound find is that it is from the "low power" sony series, thus chances of it being higher than 16 are dim (i wouldn't be surprised if it's even lower) |
| 16:44.59 | RST38h | a'ok |
| 16:45.20 | RST38h | ah, javis, but the answer is in the model number! |
| 16:45.27 | RST38h | 5:6:5 :))) |
| 16:45.37 | javispedro | I though that, but seems it's just coincidence |
| 16:45.42 | RST38h | doubt it |
| 16:45.52 | javispedro | there's acx500akm model |
| 16:45.54 | javispedro | etc. |
| 16:46.08 | lcuk | so how come sending over a greyscale gradient looks better in yuv than rgb :p |
| 16:46.30 | javispedro | I guess it depends on who does the dithering |
| 16:46.47 | lcuk | well i can send over full 8bit values from 0 to 255 |
| 16:46.53 | lcuk | no dithering |
| 16:46.58 | lcuk | closest on 565 is 32grey |
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| 16:47.59 | lcuk | i suppose i should try it agai nand attempt to count the bands |
| 16:48.08 | lcuk | to get tru visible depth |
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| 16:48.22 | VDVsx | hits lcuk with a b&w Tv :P |
| 16:48.37 | lcuk | then ill start adding color to the UV channels |
| 16:48.42 | javispedro | heh http://www.mobile-phone-lcd.com/nokia-n900-lcd-display-screen-hr-idus-p-331.html |
| 16:49.17 | lcuk | i needed high res simple grey plane when i got 810 |
| 16:49.26 | lcuk | i thought it would be the fastest mode for rendering what i wanted |
| 16:49.38 | lcuk | i would have actually been happy with a true single bitplane b&w |
| 16:51.37 | pupnik | who here has tried meego |
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| 16:52.27 | VDVsx | *strange silence* :D |
| 16:52.41 | lcuk | well theres not a whole lot to try just yet? |
| 16:53.32 | javispedro | acx704akm model for example has "only" 4096 colors according to datasheet |
| 16:53.35 | VDVsx | there's a shell, if emacs is available, you got a entire OS :D |
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| 16:54.05 | lcuk | VDVsx, its not got touchable apis yet |
| 16:54.29 | VDVsx | ah true, but the n900 has a kb :D |
| 16:54.45 | lcuk | i thought you needed escape key for emacs and vi and stuff |
| 16:54.58 | VDVsx | lcuk, touch emacs needs mutitouch for sure |
| 16:55.06 | VDVsx | yes you need :) |
| 16:55.43 | VDVsx | you need a third hand for some emacs commands :D |
| 16:55.59 | lcuk | the dreaming void book has a third hand |
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| 16:56.26 | lcuk | telekinetic abilities described in a novel way :) |
| 16:56.33 | VDVsx | lol |
| 16:57.47 | lcuk | javispedro, ill try and grab photos of greyscale color outputs and see if i can find actual depth |
| 16:58.00 | javispedro | it's a bit hard |
| 16:58.11 | javispedro | to guess optically |
| 16:58.12 | javispedro | i was thinking |
| 16:58.14 | lcuk | its feasible with a little app i think |
| 16:58.30 | lcuk | make one which shows gradient |
| 16:58.37 | lcuk | with a slider to "skip" values |
| 16:58.42 | javispedro | what if I just fill a rectangle outside of the most common rgb565 palette but inside the most common 18bpp palette. |
| 16:58.43 | lcuk | so you can increment in 1,2,3,4 etc |
| 16:59.01 | javispedro | *rectangle colored with a color |
| 16:59.02 | lcuk | see which has minimal visual difference |
| 16:59.35 | lcuk | i actually think Noobmonk3y_ could make such an app nicely :P |
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| 16:59.40 | lcuk | at least for rgb transfer |
| 16:59.58 | javispedro | you can't do the app the normal way |
| 17:00.01 | Noobmonk3y_ | wasnt listening?! |
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| 17:00.12 | lcuk | javispedro, ? |
| 17:00.13 | javispedro | because the Xorg output is 16bpp, and that's fact. |
| 17:00.14 | lcuk | why not |
| 17:00.21 | lcuk | yeah - yuv isnt tho |
| 17:00.22 | javispedro | the only thing that bypasses Xorg is Xv |
| 17:00.58 | javispedro | (that, and creating a new fb, setting up the lcd controller, etc.) |
| 17:01.07 | Noobmonk3y_ | gets back to the butlins arcade |
| 17:01.09 | javispedro | (which is what xv does :) ) |
| 17:01.33 | lcuk | doesnt drnok? |
| 17:02.02 | lcuk | how about any of yours RST38h - are all your apps limited to 16b? |
| 17:02.02 | javispedro | nope. drnok current versions either go to the sgx (16bpp) or go through xshm (16bpp) |
| 17:02.32 | lcuk | ok lemme see if i can hack something together and put this to bed once and for all |
| 17:02.46 | javispedro | heh |
| 17:02.55 | lcuk | cant get at the other thing he was trying to look at this weekend |
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| 17:03.29 | javispedro | i'm sure the tmo people will thank you accordingly :) |
| 17:04.03 | lcuk | im sure they would be thankful for the other thing too :) |
| 17:08.22 | Noobmonk3y_ | blinks |
| 17:08.44 | lcuk | i thought i glued your eyes shut |
| 17:08.58 | lcuk | searches for his slidebar control |
| 17:09.07 | Noobmonk3y_ | i blinked through my nose..... a complicated procedure |
| 17:09.18 | lcuk | and messy |
| 17:11.11 | Noobmonk3y_ | tmo down or just me? |
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| 17:15.08 | MohammadAG | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 17:15.12 | MohammadAG | damn he quit |
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| 17:16.18 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 17:16.28 | noobmonk3y | lol ;) |
| 17:16.36 | MohammadAG | nah I'm serious |
| 17:16.38 | noobmonk3y | twas just me i think |
| 17:16.39 | MohammadAG | it works lol |
| 17:16.56 | MohammadAG | "It's just you. http://talk.maemo.org is up. " |
| 17:17.11 | noobmonk3y | :D |
| 17:17.19 | noobmonk3y | was on the n900 - lappy is working fine |
| 17:17.36 | MohammadAG | did anyone try overclocking the N900? |
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| 17:17.48 | MohammadAG | can't seem to find any problems with it, running stable @ 800 |
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| 17:17.57 | noobmonk3y | nice :D |
| 17:18.03 | noobmonk3y | battery lasting 10 minutes? |
| 17:18.20 | MohammadAG | nah it's actually pretty good |
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| 17:19.46 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, just found out the Apps tab in Healthcheck |
| 17:19.55 | noobmonk3y | hehehe |
| 17:19.58 | noobmonk3y | tis very slow |
| 17:20.01 | noobmonk3y | but a work in progress |
| 17:20.20 | noobmonk3y | need to work on a loading banner or something similar |
| 17:20.28 | noobmonk3y | do you prefer the buttonless screens? |
| 17:20.39 | noobmonk3y | well buttonless sys/comms/app screens |
| 17:22.01 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, I was kind of confused |
| 17:22.08 | noobmonk3y | awwwwwww |
| 17:22.08 | MohammadAG | it took me 5 secs to see the blue arrow |
| 17:22.12 | noobmonk3y | hehe |
| 17:22.19 | noobmonk3y | cos i had only just learnt how to add them |
| 17:22.24 | noobmonk3y | need to tidy that bit up though :D |
| 17:23.40 | MohammadAG | get rid of the / lol |
| 17:24.40 | noobmonk3y | if i knew how ;) |
| 17:24.47 | noobmonk3y | took me 10 hours to figure that oone out ;) |
| 17:24.52 | noobmonk3y | one* |
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| 17:25.19 | noobmonk3y | want to add a few separators really |
| 17:25.34 | noobmonk3y | but overall i personally prefer the cleaner screens |
| 17:26.28 | lcuk | we should see what gsoc initiatives are suggested for optimizing python |
| 17:26.38 | lcuk | and qt too |
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| 17:26.40 | lcuk | but thats ongoing |
| 17:26.53 | noobmonk3y | ooo yay :D |
| 17:27.13 | lcuk | yeah - python has a lot of potential benefits - as seen by the many apps using it |
| 17:27.21 | lcuk | but it has real drag cos of speed |
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| 17:27.49 | noobmonk3y | hmmm... not so sure its python slowing mine down |
| 17:27.51 | noobmonk3y | more just me |
| 17:28.02 | lcuk | yeah you arent helping :p |
| 17:28.05 | noobmonk3y | i keep tweaking code and speeding it up ;) |
| 17:28.07 | lcuk | but python has been slow forever |
| 17:28.08 | RST38h | lcuk: I still do not have python installed |
| 17:28.12 | noobmonk3y | but first things first is to get it working ;) |
| 17:28.25 | RST38h | lcuk: After seeing what it does to the mount table, removed the goddamn monster |
| 17:28.28 | lcuk | RST38h, religious reasons? |
| 17:28.33 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 17:28.39 | MohammadAG | <noobmonk3y> if i knew how ;) |
| 17:28.39 | lcuk | mmm RST38h ? |
| 17:28.42 | RST38h | lcuk: No, but I would guess, aesthetic |
| 17:28.44 | MohammadAG | lol just the remove it from the text |
| 17:28.45 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, ;) |
| 17:28.46 | lcuk | wheres the mount stuff |
| 17:28.49 | MohammadAG | Update / All |
| 17:28.52 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.53 | lcuk | documented |
| 17:28.53 | RST38h | lcuk: df |
| 17:28.59 | noobmonk3y | not that easy MohammadAG |
| 17:29.02 | RST38h | lcuk: Do a df in xterm |
| 17:29.05 | lcuk | chooses a device to df |
| 17:29.06 | noobmonk3y | its under a title menu Update |
| 17:29.08 | lcuk | i know |
| 17:29.09 | noobmonk3y | sub menus are all etc |
| 17:29.10 | MohammadAG | downloads the source |
| 17:29.20 | noobmonk3y | can paste bin it if you want |
| 17:29.21 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, oh |
| 17:29.30 | MohammadAG | nah no need lol |
| 17:29.36 | MohammadAG | I got you |
| 17:30.02 | lcuk | RST38h, thats a lot |
| 17:30.20 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, http://pastebin.com/Q7rt3BEb |
| 17:30.23 | noobmonk3y | too late |
| 17:30.37 | RST38h | lcuk: I wonder why the hell it has to be this ugly |
| 17:30.40 | noobmonk3y | RST38h, python optify is better though? |
| 17:30.45 | RST38h | lcuk: Surely there should be some other way? |
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| 17:35.57 | javispedro | clearly, a python to C compiler and ship all python apps as C binaries :P |
| 17:36.57 | noobmonk3y | could autobuilder do it for us lazy folks? |
| 17:37.00 | noobmonk3y | :D |
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| 17:39.29 | ShadowJK | RST38h, yes, having the base system's PATH and ld.so.conf properly setup so that you could use ./configure --prefix=/opt/maemo |
| 17:39.36 | ShadowJK | and /opt/maemo renamed/moved to /usr/local/ |
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| 17:41.01 | javispedro | AFAIK that wouldn't help python |
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| 17:41.43 | noobmonk3y | is praying for joiku not to randomly reboot again, 5 people using it now lol |
| 17:41.46 | ShadowJK | I had python working from $HOME/python on my desktop... |
| 17:41.52 | ShadowJK | so dunno why it wouldn't work |
| 17:44.55 | javispedro | same reason why installing it to /opt/python didn't work |
| 17:45.04 | javispedro | (which I don't know) |
| 17:45.06 | RST38h | ShadowJK: And short of that? |
| 17:45.28 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Python really cannot be configured to take modules from an arbitrary path? |
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| 17:48.11 | javispedro | this explains the python issue: g it to /opt/python didn't work |
| 17:48.12 | javispedro | <javispedro> (which I don't know) |
| 17:48.12 | javispedro | <RST38h> ShadowJK: And short of that? |
| 17:48.15 | javispedro | oops |
| 17:48.23 | javispedro | now: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-October/021348.html |
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| 17:49.13 | pupnik | ooh new name for microsoft users? "winfidel" |
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| 17:52.42 | RST38h | javispedro: So, why don't these wonderful people explicitely set PYTHONPATH? |
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| 17:53.40 | MohammadAG_ | noobmonk3y, just noticed something, why are you using a different icon for app manager and the menu icon |
| 17:53.53 | javispedro | RST38h: dunno. I would have just moved everything (interpreter and apps) to /opt |
| 17:54.00 | noobmonk3y | Because app builder hates me |
| 17:54.10 | noobmonk3y | its a bug in py2packager |
| 17:54.14 | lcuk | RST38h, not for python, but trying other things to clea out rootfs space |
| 17:54.22 | noobmonk3y | i'm not cleverererer enough to fix it yet ;) |
| 17:54.24 | javispedro | maybe changing maemo-optify to handle a special "python" module to ensure that no .py file ends up in / instead of /opt |
| 17:54.29 | javispedro | s/module/mode |
| 17:54.38 | javispedro | thus bypassing the issue. |
| 17:54.49 | javispedro | then again I do not do python either :P |
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| 17:56.26 | javispedro | RST38h: of course, you have to consider that the bind solution, other than cluttering your df output and consuming kernel memory, uses the least amount of symlinks |
| 17:56.35 | noobmonk3y | lmfao teaches me to let my mate use my joiku internet - 58mb in 5 minutes..... |
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| 17:56.39 | noobmonk3y | porn porn porn........... |
| 17:57.18 | mece | LOL |
| 17:57.33 | RST38h | javispedro: if moving the whole python to /opt helps, then why the hell not??? |
| 17:57.45 | javispedro | dunno. ask the guy :) |
| 17:57.58 | RST38h | mhm |
| 17:58.01 | RST38h | BTW who is the guy> |
| 17:58.26 | mece | yay easter! Life of Brian is on tv! |
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| 17:58.42 | javispedro | lizardo I guess. |
| 17:59.00 | marcusmoller | what msn do you guys recommend? |
| 17:59.06 | noobmonk3y | msn msn? |
| 17:59.09 | RST38h | yellow one |
| 17:59.15 | RST38h | green one is kinda bitter |
| 17:59.17 | noobmonk3y | better then potato msn... it's a bit plain...... |
| 17:59.23 | mece | Our reptilian friend is the guy who administrates pymaemo? |
| 17:59.27 | marcusmoller | what about pink? |
| 17:59.36 | mece | marcusmoller, seriously though, Pecan. |
| 17:59.39 | noobmonk3y | pink is a bit to erm........ pink |
| 17:59.42 | RST38h | pink is soooooooooogay |
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| 17:59.55 | mece | noobmonk3y, pink ftfw! |
| 17:59.58 | marcusmoller | mece: and that is for n900? |
| 18:00.07 | noobmonk3y | groans |
| 18:00.13 | mece | marcusmoller, yep. sorry Where did you want it? |
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| 18:01.10 | noobmonk3y | lol x-chat is telling me i have 1.8secs of lag........meh - it's that darn porn again |
| 18:01.27 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, stop uploading it for a while then |
| 18:01.38 | mece | lol |
| 18:01.43 | noobmonk3y | ;) - stop watching it then... christian porn is just not the same lol |
| 18:01.51 | marcusmoller | mece: for n900 aye :p but why arent you using pidgin etc |
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| 18:01.58 | lcuk | why not, vibrating crosses are all the rage |
| 18:02.06 | noobmonk3y | lcuk, - do you only wake up when the words porn or eyelids are mentioned? you scare me! |
| 18:02.15 | lcuk | i justgot back from tea |
| 18:02.23 | noobmonk3y | :D |
| 18:02.29 | lcuk | and now im goin back with tracy, i have been super computer fixer dude |
| 18:02.32 | noobmonk3y | talking of which time for tea :D |
| 18:02.55 | lcuk | her laptop no longer goes BEEP BEEP every 3 seconds |
| 18:02.59 | lcuk | cos i fixed the psu |
| 18:03.00 | noobmonk3y | yay! |
| 18:03.05 | RST38h | 22-3=19 |
| 18:03.12 | pupnik | nice job. what was borked |
| 18:03.12 | noobmonk3y | it now goes Beep...........beepbeepbeep.......BEEP........... |
| 18:03.14 | RST38h | lcuk: you are 2 hours late with your tea! |
| 18:03.23 | noobmonk3y | 2 hours late?! |
| 18:03.37 | lcuk | no, i made the loose connection tight again :) |
| 18:03.43 | mece | marcusmoller, why would I run a separate application when I can have msn intergrated into the system? |
| 18:03.49 | lcuk | and ordered her a new battery to restore her uptime |
| 18:03.56 | mece | marcusmoller, or did you mean the haze plugin? |
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| 18:04.15 | marcusmoller | mece: uhm i cant find it :p where do you install it? |
| 18:04.31 | lcuk | RST38h, 18:30 is a reasonable time for lasagna |
| 18:04.33 | mece | oh.. its in some of the dangerous repos- |
| 18:04.35 | marcusmoller | tried looking for an integrated one, but no success |
| 18:04.51 | mece | marcusmoller, right hold up. |
| 18:05.02 | marcusmoller | sure thing |
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| 18:05.51 | ptl | Rumors of the successor of the Nokia N900 are already here, it is some pictures of what is believed to be the Nokia N9 or N920, the first Nokia with MeeGo. |
| 18:05.52 | ptl | Apparently, this new âmonsterâ would, among other things, 64 GB of internal memory, 3.7-inch capacitive screen and QWERTY keyboard. The N900 was RM-51, this would be the RM-99, will it be able to overcome the N900?. |
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| 18:06.35 | trumee_ | guys, anybody uses a upnp server with N900? |
| 18:06.36 | lcuk | o_O 79% in favour of "furums" over "fora" http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49076 |
| 18:06.46 | MohammadAG_ | ptl, i'm more interested in cpu/ram specs :) |
| 18:06.48 | trumee_ | oops wrong channel! |
| 18:06.56 | trumee_ | uggh |
| 18:07.04 | trumee_ | right channel. mybad |
| 18:07.13 | mece | marcusmoller, It's in testing |
| 18:07.24 | MohammadAG_ | noobmonk3y, how do I edit the description part of the deb? |
| 18:07.46 | trumee_ | i tried mediatomb but that didnt work well with N900 |
| 18:07.46 | MohammadAG_ | p.description shows a short description |
| 18:07.48 | marcusmoller | how can it be integrated when its in testing? :p extras-devel? |
| 18:07.59 | trumee_ | video froze and only auio came through |
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| 18:08.08 | trumee_ | anybody tried knots? |
| 18:09.32 | mece | marcusmoller, well, you need to enable the repository and install the program, that's how. |
| 18:09.49 | mece | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing or more specifically http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing#How_to_activate_Extras-testing |
| 18:10.59 | nidO | trumee_ |
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| 18:11.09 | trumee_ | nidO: yup |
| 18:11.10 | nidO | thats a bug with the n900, not the fault of the upnp server |
| 18:11.20 | trumee_ | nidO: oooh! |
| 18:11.30 | nidO | all avi streaming is broke atm, the n900 will just play the first video frame and stall, then only play the audio |
| 18:11.44 | trumee_ | nidO: is there any other client i can use? |
| 18:11.58 | RST38h | will this be fixed in 1.2? |
| 18:12.15 | nidO | yeah the bug's marked as fixed since january sometime, so should be in 1.2 hopefully |
| 18:12.44 | trumee_ | nidO, RST38h:there is a changelog of 1.2 somewhere |
| 18:12.56 | RST38h | 3 months from fixing to delivery? |
| 18:13.00 | RST38h | cackles |
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| 18:13.33 | javispedro | reminds the 24 months from fixing to delivery bugs I'm sure someone will have in mind |
| 18:13.51 | RST38h | not to mention fixed-in-fremantle... |
| 18:13.57 | RST38h | but I guess it is ancient history now |
| 18:13.59 | trumee_ | here http://maemoarena.com/2010/03/nokia-n900-pr1-2-changelog-released/#more-211 |
| 18:14.38 | javispedro | a "changelog" that comes from w.m.o, and was generated automatically from bugzilla |
| 18:15.03 | trumee_ | nidO: any idea of the bug number for that? |
| 18:15.09 | nidO | sec |
| 18:15.29 | hrw|gone | ~seen cityligh1s |
| 18:15.31 | infobot | cityligh1s is currently on #maemo (3h 48m 22s) #gllug (3h 48m 22s). Has said a total of 56 messages. Is idling for 1h 49m 27s, last said: 'does anyone know if hrw is emplied by Nokia?'. |
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| 18:16.00 | hrw|gone | cityligh1s: why such question? (18:26 < cityligh1s> does anyone know if hrw is emplied by Nokia?) |
| 18:16.19 | javispedro | clearly, he's Eldar and is inquiring for his "report" about the N920 |
| 18:16.37 | javispedro | ;) |
| 18:16.53 | nidO | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8043 |
| 18:16.54 | povbot | Bug 8043: AVI Streaming broken. Local playback works fine. |
| 18:17.08 | pupnik | hrw? |
| 18:17.22 | nidO | that one relates specifically to streaming over the web, but there're a few similar/related ones purely for upnp |
| 18:17.27 | nidO | which is the same fault |
| 18:17.52 | hrw|gone | pupnik: I was suprised too |
| 18:18.12 | trumee_ | nidO: thanks |
| 18:18.24 | trumee_ | guys, when is the Nokia World conference next? |
| 18:19.09 | pupnik | Hand Riting Wreckognition? |
| 18:19.44 | hrw|gone | ;d |
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| 18:20.02 | trumee_ | nidO: is there any exisiting client which can play upnp avi files? i tried Mediabox as well, had the same problem |
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| 18:21.55 | pupnik | do you want seeking trumee_ ? |
| 18:22.11 | PhonicUK | im a little confused about the N900 SDK |
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| 18:22.16 | pupnik | knots2 serves up media with seeking |
| 18:22.28 | PhonicUK | if ive got to be inside scratchbox to use the appropriate compiler, how can i tell my IDE to use it? |
| 18:22.34 | VDVsx | trumee, london, around September |
| 18:23.10 | valdyn | PhonicUK: the command to enter a scratchbox shell supports running any program instead of that shell |
| 18:23.18 | PhonicUK | ah ok |
| 18:23.23 | LiraNuna | wow, nano/N900 just crashed |
| 18:23.37 | marcusmoller | possible to delete all contacts from a group? |
| 18:23.41 | PhonicUK | so i'd set GCC to be "scratchbox gcc" etc etc? |
| 18:23.49 | valdyn | PhonicUK: i dont remember exactly, itll be something like that yes |
| 18:23.53 | PhonicUK | righto |
| 18:24.06 | javispedro | PhonicUK: with absolute "inside" sbox paths, which might hurt. |
| 18:24.18 | PhonicUK | ah ok |
| 18:25.01 | valdyn | PhonicUK: thats not a scratchbox thing btw, thats a mechanism used in linux/unix forever |
| 18:25.11 | PhonicUK | righto |
| 18:25.45 | LiraNuna | http://pastie.org/private/liuiq51u2izsjzk2mge7g |
| 18:25.49 | LiraNuna | any idea what that means? |
| 18:26.34 | valdyn | LiraNuna: i think you didnt read the README |
| 18:26.55 | LiraNuna | I did, and this used to work |
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| 18:28.59 | valdyn | LiraNuna: vm.vdso_enabled = 0 ? |
| 18:29.13 | LiraNuna | I already set it |
| 18:29.16 | valdyn | LiraNuna: ok |
| 18:29.22 | LiraNuna | I said, it used to work |
| 18:29.37 | hrw|gone | bye |
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| 18:30.23 | marcusmoller | i have an unused n900 contact group called (null). can i delete that? |
| 18:30.26 | PhonicUK | arg so my sourcecode has to visible from within scratchbox :\ |
| 18:30.36 | valdyn | PhonicUK: thats not hard |
| 18:30.38 | Noobmonk3y | lol....... |
| 18:30.51 | PhonicUK | i tried symlinking the maemo user home directory to my normal one xD |
| 18:30.57 | valdyn | PhonicUK: you cant use symlinks |
| 18:31.00 | RST38h | 7060 Sometimes photos are very green <=== fixed! |
| 18:31.00 | LiraNuna | PhonicUK, you can compile compile GCC targeting maemo |
| 18:31.02 | PhonicUK | i found htat out |
| 18:31.03 | valdyn | PhonicUK: you can use mount --bind |
| 18:31.03 | RST38h | OMG |
| 18:31.09 | javispedro | LiraNuna: I have something you might want to test: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/sbox/libc-2.3.2.so |
| 18:31.16 | javispedro | LiraNuna: put it in /scratchbox/host_shared/lib |
| 18:31.19 | Noobmonk3y | twasnt porn lcuk ... they were watching dr.who via iplayer...... |
| 18:31.24 | javispedro | LiraNuna: keep the existing file there in case you want to restore it |
| 18:31.26 | Noobmonk3y | impressed as they are 2 chalet's awy! |
| 18:31.38 | LiraNuna | javispedro, libc? |
| 18:31.40 | LiraNuna | interesting |
| 18:32.17 | valdyn | PhonicUK: hardlinks would work too, but those work at all only if you dont cross fs boundaries |
| 18:32.19 | javispedro | LiraNuna: this is the libc I use with randomized vdso enabled ( http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-devel/2009-August/000457.html ) |
| 18:32.32 | LiraNuna | "randomized vdso enabled"? |
| 18:32.35 | PhonicUK | it also doesn't like spaces in directory names too much using codeblocks :s |
| 18:33.00 | LiraNuna | javispedro, giving it a spin |
| 18:33.08 | javispedro | LiraNuna: you probably updated your kernel or sth like that |
| 18:33.18 | LiraNuna | yes, I did |
| 18:33.31 | LiraNuna | do I need to re-disable vdso_enabled? |
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| 18:33.46 | PhonicUK | weird... |
| 18:33.54 | valdyn | LiraNuna: if you edited sysctl.conf once, thats enough |
| 18:33.58 | PhonicUK | Fatal error: can't create obj/Debug/main.o: No such file or directory |
| 18:33.59 | LiraNuna | javispedro, the patched libc deosn't seem to work |
| 18:34.00 | pupnik | *nice* find javispedro |
| 18:34.02 | LiraNuna | valdyn, I did, actually |
| 18:36.22 | LiraNuna | javispedro, it doesn't seem to work, http://pastie.org/private/vq4ktgnyhkseycvu1ibmvq |
| 18:36.31 | LiraNuna | can you check your libc's md5? |
| 18:36.57 | javispedro | yeah, matches |
| 18:37.26 | javispedro | tries to find where that string is |
| 18:37.31 | PhonicUK | i hate scratchbox xD |
| 18:37.46 | LiraNuna | PhonicUK, I compiled GCC 4.4.3 targeting maemo5 |
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| 18:37.57 | javispedro | sorry LiraNunca, it's not in libc but ld.so (stupid me) will upload |
| 18:37.58 | LiraNuna | works great, and I don't need scratchbox to compile |
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| 18:38.11 | LiraNuna | javispedro, no problem, we are all humans |
| 18:38.18 | LiraNuna | PhonicUK, the only thing is testing... |
| 18:38.57 | PhonicUK | ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up! |
| 18:38.57 | PhonicUK | lol |
| 18:39.02 | PhonicUK | i dunno how ive managed that xD |
| 18:39.15 | LiraNuna | PhonicUK, would you like me to guide you on how to compile GCC for maemo5? |
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| 18:39.30 | PhonicUK | why would i need to compile gcc for maemo? |
| 18:39.44 | LiraNuna | targeting maemo, not running on maemo |
| 18:39.59 | LiraNuna | so you can have arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc as a compiler for maemo5 |
| 18:39.59 | PhonicUK | 1 tick, my scrachbox is messed up |
| 18:40.02 | javispedro | LiraNuna: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/sbox/ld-2.3.2.so ( /scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ld-2.3.2.so) |
| 18:40.05 | PhonicUK | and the install script is fubar'd |
| 18:40.37 | PhonicUK | LiraNuna, http://pastebin.com/LRMwtvKq |
| 18:40.59 | LiraNuna | oh you're writing in python |
| 18:41.02 | PhonicUK | no im not |
| 18:41.11 | pupnik | LiraNuna: maybe a quick wiki would help more folks |
| 18:41.20 | PhonicUK | im trying to run maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py |
| 18:41.27 | LiraNuna | pupnik, is it encouraged by maemo though? |
| 18:41.30 | PhonicUK | so i can sort out a build environment for use with code::blocks |
| 18:41.33 | PhonicUK | brb |
| 18:41.48 | LiraNuna | pupnik, GCC version in scratchbox is 4.1.2 :/ |
| 18:42.01 | pupnik | what do you mean "encouraged"? sounds fun and newer gcc would rock |
| 18:42.05 | LiraNuna | and it has MANY bugs with NEON and cortex-a8 as a target in general |
| 18:42.10 | pupnik | yes! |
| 18:42.27 | pupnik | also see MADDE |
| 18:42.39 | LiraNuna | pupnik, when I compiled GCC 4.4.1 for maemo4 I got yelled at "you're doing it wrong" |
| 18:42.50 | LiraNuna | javispedro, horray |
| 18:43.00 | LiraNuna | javispedro, that seems to do it |
| 18:43.37 | javispedro | LiraNuna: nice to hear. |
| 18:44.11 | PhonicUK | id prefer to do it the way i normally do ARM cross compiling, just with the compiler installed as normal and a copy of the ARM libs somewhere... |
| 18:44.25 | LiraNuna | PhonicUK, I can help you do that |
| 18:44.30 | javispedro | the issue is that crosscompiling works fine for simpler packages |
| 18:44.37 | javispedro | but tends to break nastly for bigger ones |
| 18:44.47 | PhonicUK | i only want to make something (fairly) small |
| 18:45.01 | PhonicUK | 1 sec im gna go get the codesourcery compiler |
| 18:45.09 | LiraNuna | javispedro, you can ignore autotools and write your own makefile |
| 18:45.43 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.47 | javispedro | LiraNuna: it's not autotools the real culprit here, but usually carelessness by upstream |
| 18:45.48 | LiraNuna | javispedro, http://pastie.org/private/le0hzhr7or42reg9imjdoq |
| 18:45.59 | PhonicUK | hmm or not |
| 18:46.07 | LiraNuna | add set CROSS to arm-linux-gnueabi- and you're set! |
| 18:46.15 | LiraNuna | s/add// |
| 18:46.45 | javispedro | LiraNuna: again, that works for simple enough packages. things would start to break when, for example, you need CCHOST |
| 18:47.16 | PhonicUK | i hate python, why does every script im given break every other python version :\ |
| 18:48.05 | LiraNuna | javispedro, I know, but I found it works great for personal projects |
| 18:48.14 | javispedro | agreed |
| 18:48.32 | LiraNuna | I understand that for batch compiles, there's no alternative to chroot |
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| 18:50.54 | LiraNuna | PhonicUK, if you're familiar with cross compiling and don't have collision with another arm-linux-gnueabi target on your host, you can build a cross compiler |
| 18:51.03 | PhonicUK | righto |
| 18:51.14 | LiraNuna | would you like help? |
| 18:51.20 | javispedro | ah, note also that there might be some weirdo interactions between the different libgcc versions |
| 18:51.23 | PhonicUK | yeah in a mo, gotta rebuild my virtual machine |
| 18:51.29 | javispedro | but most of the time that is not a serious problem. |
| 18:51.30 | LiraNuna | javispedro, I took care of that |
| 18:51.53 | LiraNuna | as well as libc and libstdc++ |
| 18:52.23 | javispedro | interesting |
| 18:52.31 | pupnik | ever see a nice speedbump on dosbox with newer gcc? |
| 18:52.41 | LiraNuna | I didn't try to compile dosbox |
| 18:52.43 | LiraNuna | but I can |
| 18:53.07 | LiraNuna | let me get the source |
| 18:53.12 | javispedro | pupnik: iirc dosbox binary is still compiled with -Os. Did you play with CFLAGS? |
| 18:53.23 | pupnik | for days |
| 18:53.23 | LiraNuna | wow -Os!? |
| 18:53.38 | javispedro | LiraNuna: -Os was fastest on N810, at least. |
| 18:53.45 | LiraNuna | wow |
| 18:53.48 | javispedro | (this was cs2005 toolchain) |
| 18:53.50 | pupnik | i didnt have a good benchmark setup |
| 18:53.51 | LiraNuna | binary loading issues? |
| 18:54.02 | LiraNuna | javispedro, N810's toolchain was GCC 3.x |
| 18:54.04 | pupnik | was hoping maybe doom timedemo |
| 18:54.47 | LiraNuna | let me get latest dosbox |
| 18:54.48 | pupnik | also 3.x broke with -fprofile-generate on dosbox |
| 18:55.00 | javispedro | heh |
| 18:55.07 | javispedro | on cs2007 profile-generate and use seem to work |
| 18:55.28 | LiraNuna | yeah but NEON is broken |
| 18:55.35 | LiraNuna | as well as -mcpu=cortex-a8 -O2 |
| 18:55.42 | javispedro | in what sense? |
| 18:55.42 | LiraNuna | generates an ICE |
| 18:55.47 | LiraNuna | ^ |
| 18:56.24 | javispedro | well that's the default |
| 18:56.26 | LiraNuna | javispedro, try to compile http://pastie.org/private/jk4kbqcskgrrdoqwiyjba |
| 18:56.38 | ptl_demands_PR12 | besides #maemo and #maemo-devel, which other maemo channels are available? |
| 18:56.48 | javispedro | LiraNuna: I think I saw this previously, did you upgrade to the latest SDK? |
| 18:56.55 | LiraNuna | javispedro, I am using it |
| 18:57.10 | LiraNuna | I gave up and compiled my own GCC |
| 18:57.20 | LiraNuna | GCC's 4.4 optimizer is sick |
| 18:57.24 | javispedro | LiraNuna: heh |
| 18:57.27 | javispedro | LiraNuna: works here! |
| 18:57.32 | LiraNuna | "works on my machine" |
| 18:57.35 | LiraNuna | javispedro, try adding -O2 |
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| 18:57.59 | javispedro | touché :) |
| 18:58.01 | LiraNuna | ^_^ |
| 18:58.19 | dnaumov | hey, are there any maemo apps for the n900 that can turn it into a WLAN AP? |
| 18:58.21 | LiraNuna | maemo should really take advantage of NEON |
| 18:58.40 | javispedro | LiraNuna: well they do it already -- with asm. |
| 18:58.44 | LiraNuna | heh |
| 18:59.04 | LiraNuna | intrinsics give the compiler a better edge |
| 18:59.07 | LiraNuna | especially GCC |
| 18:59.08 | javispedro | actually first versions of the toolchain didn't even allow inline asm |
| 18:59.13 | valdyn | dnaumov: joikuspot |
| 18:59.15 | LiraNuna | ouch |
| 18:59.15 | dnaumov | I am pondering getting an iPad and some phones do seem to have applications that turn them into a WLAN access point, so the connecting device goes through whatever connection the phone is using, this sounds like quite a tempting combination for N900 + iPad :) |
| 18:59.16 | javispedro | -- with neon. |
| 18:59.24 | javispedro | this was fixed in a later SDK. |
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| 18:59.52 | LiraNuna | javispedro, I know this is SSE, but GCC uses the same 'GIMPLE' representation for both SSE and NEON |
| 18:59.55 | LiraNuna | javispedro, http://www.liranuna.com/sse-intrinsics-optimizations-in-popular-compilers/ |
| 19:00.06 | dnaumov | valdyn: thanks |
| 19:00.32 | pupnik | interesting stuff |
| 19:00.34 | LiraNuna | compiles dosbox |
| 19:00.47 | LiraNuna | GCC 4.4 is even better in this regard |
| 19:01.57 | LiraNuna | they recoded the register selection code |
| 19:02.28 | LiraNuna | heh |
| 19:02.29 | LiraNuna | /usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabi/4.4.3/../../../../arm-linux-gnueabi/include/bits/mathcalls.h:154: error: previous declaration of 'float powf(float, float)' |
| 19:02.40 | LiraNuna | why does dosbox redeclares it? |
| 19:03.32 | LiraNuna | we got a perfectly capable math coprocessor, why recode the fpu? |
| 19:03.51 | javispedro | LiraNuna: broke because you skipped autoconf |
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| 19:04.01 | javispedro | [AC_MSG_RESULT(yes)], [AC_DEFINE([DB_HAVE_NO_POWF],[1],[libm doesn't include powf])]) |
| 19:04.52 | pupnik | i remember when powf was broken |
| 19:05.09 | wizkoder | Is there a faster way to connect to my bluetooth speaker than to open the bluetooth menu->devices->speakername->connect ? |
| 19:05.22 | wizkoder | Would like to have a button for that |
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| 19:05.46 | supertramp | hi |
| 19:06.28 | supertramp | is it possible to emulate serial connection through usb cable - n900? |
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| 19:07.45 | LiraNuna | ugh I hate autotools |
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| 19:08.45 | LiraNuna | I just patched the source |
| 19:08.46 | LiraNuna | \:D/ |
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| 19:08.59 | ssvb | LiraNuna: register allocator still seems to be not very good in gcc 4.4 for NEON, at least for a few samples I tried |
| 19:09.30 | LiraNuna | ssvb, I didn't get to play much with NEON, but I know they are both _vs4f types for GCC |
| 19:09.56 | LiraNuna | pupnik, does dosbox have an ARM dynarec? |
| 19:10.08 | javispedro | LiraNuna: where did you get the tarball from? |
| 19:10.08 | pupnik | it should now |
| 19:10.18 | LiraNuna | official site |
| 19:10.23 | javispedro | then, no. |
| 19:10.29 | javispedro | (0.73) |
| 19:10.33 | LiraNuna | oh |
| 19:10.33 | ptl_demands_PR12 | do you guys know of a battery charger for the N900 that I can buy? |
| 19:10.48 | pupnik | glad to see you're alive ssvb :) |
| 19:10.54 | LiraNuna | ptl_demands_PR12, any of 'em supporting microusb |
| 19:11.02 | LiraNuna | javispedro, which one should I compile then |
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| 19:11.31 | ssvb | LiraNuna: NEON has 128-bit NEON registers, which can be also accessed as 64-bit halves, maybe it makes them a bit more difficult for gcc to handle |
| 19:11.41 | LiraNuna | ssvb, mmx |
| 19:11.43 | trumee_ | pupnik: sorry didnt see your message. u around? |
| 19:11.51 | javispedro | LiraNuna: you could grab mine (from apt-get source dosbox) but at this point I prefer you start afresh (mine keeps autoconf and I've changed it a bit) |
| 19:11.55 | LiraNuna | SSE overloads MMX (mm0+mm1 = xmm0 |
| 19:12.05 | trumee_ | pupnik: oh yes you are :), yes seeking will be good |
| 19:12.15 | LiraNuna | javispedro, I'd like to compile with the ARM jit at the very least |
| 19:12.19 | trumee_ | pupnik: knots works on N900? |
| 19:12.24 | pupnik | yep! |
| 19:12.34 | ssvb | pupnik: yes, I'm still alive :) |
| 19:12.42 | javispedro | LiraNuna: then get mine or (afaik) dosbox cvs |
| 19:12.47 | trumee_ | pupnik: cool. so broken avi streaming doesnt affect knots? |
| 19:13.25 | LiraNuna | hmm, now libSDL is broken |
| 19:13.32 | LiraNuna | must be some ld scripts instead of libs again |
| 19:13.37 | LiraNuna | libm and libc are like that |
| 19:13.49 | pupnik | trumee_: you can test on pc with VLC player |
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| 19:14.05 | ssvb | LiraNuna: really? as far as I know, MMX and SSE registers do not overlap and are stored separately |
| 19:14.06 | ptl_demands_PR12 | LiraNuna: not a wall charger... I want a battery charger, that charges the battery independently of the phone |
| 19:14.10 | ptl_demands_PR12 | a BL-5J charger |
| 19:14.20 | trumee_ | pupnik: what do you mean? knots is a upnp server isnt it? |
| 19:14.23 | pupnik | ptl_demands_PR12: i got a universal charger. it works |
| 19:15.21 | pupnik | trumee_: i havent followed knots2 closely, sorry. feel free to ask in #knots later |
| 19:16.14 | ptl_demands_PR12 | pupnik: I'll try, thanks. |
| 19:16.28 | LiraNuna | oh, oh god |
| 19:16.29 | LiraNuna | -L/usr/lib -lSDL |
| 19:16.30 | LiraNuna | ... |
| 19:17.26 | pupnik | usr/lib??? |
| 19:17.40 | LiraNuna | yeah, sdl-config doesn't really like cross compilers |
| 19:17.56 | pupnik | oh great |
| 19:18.26 | javispedro | sdl-config is a prime example of something requiring HOSTCC :) |
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| 19:19.18 | pupnik | so do the autoconf in scratchbox first, then tweak output? |
| 19:19.58 | LiraNuna | no, it'll use `gcc` then instead of arm-linux-eabi-gcc |
| 19:20.11 | javispedro | LiraNuna: HOSTCC ;) |
| 19:20.19 | LiraNuna | I've never used HOSTCC |
| 19:20.36 | LiraNuna | liranuna@monster:~/Desktop/dosbox-0.73$ export HOSTCC=arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc |
| 19:20.36 | LiraNuna | liranuna@monster:~/Desktop/dosbox-0.73$ sdl-config --libs |
| 19:20.36 | LiraNuna | -L/usr/lib -lSDL |
| 19:20.36 | LiraNuna | ? |
| 19:20.36 | javispedro | LiraNuna: btw, if you ever find yourself with lots of freetime, you could try "porting" gcc4.4 to sbox |
| 19:20.57 | LiraNuna | I don't know about scratchbox's arch |
| 19:21.06 | javispedro | LiraNuna: opposite thing: HOSTCC is the C compiler that produces host arch binaries |
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| 19:21.30 | LiraNuna | why would it need it |
| 19:21.58 | javispedro | you cross build SDL, and require sdl-config to be x86 (for future sdl application builds) but libSDL to be armel |
| 19:22.14 | LiraNuna | what if I want libSDL to be locally |
| 19:22.35 | LiraNuna | x86, x86_64 and armel |
| 19:23.05 | javispedro | notes that sdl-config is a bash script thus his point is .. pointless :( |
| 19:23.14 | javispedro | s/notes/realizes |
| 19:23.18 | ptl_demands_PR12 | order it. US$8 |
| 19:23.20 | ptl_demands_PR12 | *ordered |
| 19:23.25 | LiraNuna | oh dear god |
| 19:24.29 | pupnik | :) |
| 19:24.35 | pupnik | has popcorn |
| 19:24.49 | LiraNuna | SDL is the most cross-compiler unfriendly library out there |
| 19:25.16 | javispedro | a weird thing to say considering it's probably one of the most cross built libraries :) |
| 19:25.26 | LiraNuna | sad truth |
| 19:27.21 | LiraNuna | horray |
| 19:27.28 | LiraNuna | a 10.3MB dosbox executable |
| 19:27.38 | LiraNuna | liranuna@monster:~/Desktop/dosbox-0.73/src$ file dosbox |
| 19:27.38 | LiraNuna | dosbox: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, not stripped |
| 19:27.42 | pupnik | so this headache would occur in MADDE also javispedro ? |
| 19:28.03 | pupnik | sounds about right LiraNuna |
| 19:28.37 | LiraNuna | dosbox doesn't use any .so's right? |
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| 19:28.44 | LiraNuna | so I can saftly copy the exec alone? |
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| 19:30.41 | javispedro | LiraNuna: strip it |
| 19:31.05 | pupnik | yes no .so |
| 19:31.05 | javispedro | pupnik: never tried with SDL & DosBox. But I'm used to the cross compiling headaches |
| 19:31.29 | LiraNuna | javispedro, oh right |
| 19:31.30 | LiraNuna | -O2 -g |
| 19:31.52 | javispedro | well, brb. |
| 19:32.00 | pupnik | do you just do builds for yourself that way? or does madde.. ah shoot |
| 19:32.03 | LiraNuna | down to 2.5MB! |
| 19:32.15 | pupnik | huh? that is very small |
| 19:32.23 | LiraNuna | I stripped it |
| 19:32.27 | LiraNuna | no debug or anything |
| 19:33.25 | pupnik | hmm javis' is also that tiny |
| 19:34.21 | pupnik | do you have oprofile kernel installed LiraNuna ? |
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| 19:34.46 | LiraNuna | on my N900? no, stock |
| 19:36.09 | LiraNuna | pupnik, where is dosbox normally installed |
| 19:37.50 | pupnik | l /opt/maemo/usr/bin/dosbox |
| 19:38.47 | LiraNuna | ha, it's ~2.5MB as well |
| 19:38.58 | LiraNuna | 2.1MB |
| 19:39.10 | pupnik | looks like doom timedemo may be the only way to get reliable comparisons |
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| 19:39.55 | LiraNuna | where can I get it |
| 19:40.21 | pupnik | wrap the dosbox invocation in a 'time' test. and invoke a batch file that "exits" |
| 19:40.29 | pupnik | hmm ill google a bit |
| 19:41.09 | LiraNuna | pupnik, your version doesn't have ARM jit, right? |
| 19:43.16 | pupnik | not afaik |
| 19:43.40 | LiraNuna | then I doubt it'd do major speed up |
| 19:43.58 | LiraNuna | maybe 15% or so |
| 19:44.03 | pupnik | maybe here http://www.brothersoft.com/games/doom.html |
| 19:44.14 | LiraNuna | I think app manager crashed |
| 19:44.15 | pupnik | 15 pct would be major |
| 19:44.20 | LiraNuna | hanged, more likely |
| 19:44.50 | pupnik | a lot of work has gone into small mprovements |
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| 19:47.49 | embedded | Hi all |
| 19:47.55 | brik | morn |
| 19:48.02 | LiraNuna | where is gainroot |
| 19:48.11 | LiraNuna | why did I remove it yesterday :| |
| 19:48.50 | embedded | Is there someone who knows when will be available an OpenGL library for Maemo 5? |
| 19:49.19 | LiraNuna | embedded, OGL ES is already available |
| 19:49.26 | LiraNuna | -lOGLESv2 |
| 19:49.33 | LiraNuna | or -lGLESv2 |
| 19:49.33 | embedded | yeah |
| 19:49.34 | LiraNuna | I think |
| 19:49.40 | embedded | and |
| 19:49.41 | LiraNuna | OpenGL != OpenGL ES |
| 19:49.52 | LiraNuna | and no, you can't magically have OGL on an OGL ES system |
| 19:49.55 | embedded | yep |
| 19:50.09 | LiraNuna | so the answer is 'never' |
| 19:50.10 | embedded | it's exactly what I was saying |
| 19:50.28 | LiraNuna | you were asking a question, not stating a fact |
| 19:50.29 | embedded | ok :/ |
| 19:50.31 | LiraNuna | confused |
| 19:50.55 | LiraNuna | why do you need OGL anyway? |
| 19:50.57 | embedded | I was just thinking if someday it will be developed |
| 19:51.06 | LiraNuna | for glVertex? :) |
| 19:51.13 | LiraNuna | embedded, you can't magically have OGL on an OGL ES system |
| 19:51.26 | embedded | just to port some little games to Fremantle which make use of OGL |
| 19:51.33 | pupnik | hmm? |
| 19:51.35 | embedded | I know |
| 19:52.05 | LiraNuna | embedded, he difference isn't huge |
| 19:52.15 | LiraNuna | it's possible to write OGL code that is compatible with OGL ES2 |
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| 19:54.27 | LiraNuna | pupnik, it runs! |
| 19:55.45 | pupnik | well another speedup - which would only be an option for hardcore gamers - would be to suspend pulseaudio and write to alsa device. but that has issues with sdl mixer and contention that are too much for me |
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| 19:56.22 | LiraNuna | or use the ARM dynarec... |
| 19:56.50 | pupnik | i think javispedro did |
| 19:57.17 | LiraNuna | let me copy doom over |
| 19:57.57 | LiraNuna | eh, keyboard doesn't work |
| 19:58.41 | LiraNuna | oh oops, |
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| 19:59.59 | pupnik | some mappings arent implemented by default |
| 20:00.10 | LiraNuna | I didn't use the config file |
| 20:00.17 | pupnik | javis fixed it with a dos mapper config |
| 20:00.22 | pupnik | k |
| 20:00.34 | LiraNuna | does the application list run /opt/maemo/usr/bin/dosbox? |
| 20:00.42 | LiraNuna | I replaced it (and saved an -old version) |
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| 20:02.11 | LiraNuna | ugh, I can't use the Fn key |
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| 20:03.08 | LiraNuna | where's the config file located |
| 20:03.44 | pupnik | the one in dos? |
| 20:03.55 | LiraNuna | no, dosbox's |
| 20:04.28 | javispedro | ~/.dosbox/dosbox-0.73.conf |
| 20:04.47 | javispedro | both in my builds and dosbox upstream. |
| 20:04.49 | pupnik | ~/t .dosbox/dosbox-0.73.conf |
| 20:04.50 | LiraNuna | on my version, I can't seem to use the Fn key |
| 20:05.08 | javispedro | because I fixed that on a lower layer |
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| 20:05.08 | LiraNuna | it works like a return |
| 20:05.20 | ptl_demands_PR12 | X-COM: UFO defense works in dosbox? |
| 20:06.14 | javispedro | LiraNuna: you won't be able to use most of the Fn keys in the upstream dosbox -- but the config file has an autoexec section where you can put the bench commands in |
| 20:06.33 | LiraNuna | ah |
| 20:07.42 | pupnik | ptl_demands_PR12: too slow i think |
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| 20:08.12 | ali1234 | it doesn't need a fast PC, it should work. although scrolling might be difficult with touchscreen |
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| 20:13.42 | LiraNuna | pupnik, how can I time it |
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| 20:14.45 | pupnik | um um um... there Was a "timedemo commandline but i dont have it handy |
| 20:14.54 | pupnik | and searching on n900 is a bit slow |
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| 20:15.20 | LiraNuna | the screenshot seem to take a while to load |
| 20:15.27 | LiraNuna | s/screenshot/splash screen/ |
| 20:15.33 | pupnik | yes load is significant |
| 20:15.50 | pupnik | and i think timedemo runs through a fixed number of frames |
| 20:16.10 | javispedro | frameskip helps if non fullscreen |
| 20:16.18 | pupnik | so it cant be fooled by internal dos clock mistakes if we use external invocation to time it |
| 20:16.19 | LiraNuna | fullscreen |
| 20:17.00 | LiraNuna | still splashscreen |
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| 20:17.41 | javispedro | what game is this? |
| 20:17.46 | LiraNuna | DOOM :/ |
| 20:17.52 | javispedro | ah, never tried :P |
| 20:17.58 | pupnik | javispedro: do you think your default config is appropriate to it? |
| 20:18.22 | javispedro | pupnik: "my" default config is the same as upstream :S |
| 20:18.32 | pupnik | i would imagine a frameskip of 3 to .... what9! |
| 20:19.08 | LiraNuna | touchscreen stopped responding |
| 20:19.09 | javispedro | and the one I use on my n900 just has a frameskip of 5 and sound disabled |
| 20:19.15 | javispedro | ah, and less memory reserved |
| 20:19.30 | pupnik | hmmm. thats a bad idea unless wou want users to tweak that themselves |
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| 20:19.51 | javispedro | if you have a suggestion for a better default... :) |
| 20:20.07 | javispedro | the only thing I dislike is touching the cycles |
| 20:20.09 | javispedro | counter. |
| 20:20.37 | LiraNuna | javispedro, is the version in extras-devel featuring ARM dynarec? |
| 20:20.45 | javispedro | LiraNuna: yes |
| 20:20.55 | javispedro | LiraNuna: for protected mode only though |
| 20:20.59 | LiraNuna | oh |
| 20:21.28 | javispedro | any dos extender "extended" app (doom is?) is most probably using 286 protected mode, so no problem here. |
| 20:23.32 | LiraNuna | oh, now it has sound |
| 20:23.39 | LiraNuna | weird |
| 20:24.13 | LiraNuna | sound is smooth |
| 20:24.29 | LiraNuna | so, how can I run the timedemo |
| 20:24.53 | LiraNuna | oh great, arrows don't work |
| 20:24.54 | LiraNuna | :P |
| 20:25.09 | LiraNuna | sound is smooooth |
| 20:25.55 | LiraNuna | now I can't quit it :D |
| 20:26.00 | pupnik | sure it is, it is going thru pulse :) |
| 20:26.15 | pupnik | power btn and end current task |
| 20:26.15 | LiraNuna | pupnik, I mean, no lag |
| 20:26.39 | LiraNuna | there's no 'end current task' |
| 20:26.52 | LiraNuna | and touchscreen isn't working |
| 20:26.59 | LiraNuna | for some reason |
| 20:27.11 | LiraNuna | any real benchmark I can check? |
| 20:27.13 | pupnik | oh dear. on n900 power btn gives me that as an option |
| 20:27.34 | LiraNuna | mine does too, just not in (my version of) dosbox |
| 20:27.40 | javispedro | because it's unhildonized |
| 20:27.46 | pupnik | there are some. "checkit.com" |
| 20:27.49 | LiraNuna | figured |
| 20:27.49 | pupnik | ohh |
| 20:28.25 | LiraNuna | http://ftp.aanet.ru/pub/dos/checkit/ |
| 20:28.49 | pupnik | maybe some benchmarks work if you set cycles to "auto" or "max" |
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| 20:31.32 | lcuk | o-O doctor who |
| 20:33.14 | pupnik | but if they do internal timing and dosbox occasionally tries to grab more cycles than it can emulate... then the benchmark is fooled. from my understanding |
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| 20:48.49 | dan2003 | in some of the n900 apps (which i assume are gtk based), such as the media player, and the app manager - choosing an option brings up a new page with a back arrow to get back to the previous one - does anybody know if it is possible to get this behavoir with Qt and if so how? i'm currenlt using dialogs but they don't provide as much screen space |
| 20:50.25 | frals | its called stackablewindow in hildon/gtk at least, dunno bout qt |
| 20:50.31 | javispedro | it should be in 4.6 |
| 20:51.15 | javispedro | http://qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-stackedwindows.html |
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| 21:07.09 | dan2003 | javispedro: thanks |
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| 21:13.57 | ShadowJK | DocScrut-borked, I guess your laptop didn't survive? |
| 21:13.59 | marcusmoller | heya guys |
| 21:14.16 | marcusmoller | what is the newest firmware version? |
| 21:15.32 | noobmonk3y | Pr 1.1.1 or v 3.2010.02-8 |
| 21:15.46 | LiraNuna | javispedro, where can I get your version of dosbox to compare? |
| 21:15.54 | javispedro | LiraNuna: extras-devel |
| 21:15.55 | LiraNuna | (source) |
| 21:15.59 | javispedro | same |
| 21:16.09 | javispedro | inside sbox with extras-devel enabled, apt-get source dosbox |
| 21:16.17 | LiraNuna | E: Couldn't find package dosbox |
| 21:16.21 | LiraNuna | is it ARMEL or X86 |
| 21:16.24 | javispedro | you need to enable devel |
| 21:16.25 | javispedro | both |
| 21:16.32 | LiraNuna | I did enable devel |
| 21:16.39 | javispedro | that's weird, let me see |
| 21:16.44 | LiraNuna | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get install dosbox |
| 21:16.44 | LiraNuna | bash: /usr/bin/apt-get: No such file or directory |
| 21:16.44 | LiraNuna | wtf |
| 21:17.00 | javispedro | 0.73-7maemo5 in extras-devel |
| 21:17.31 | LiraNuna | oh duh |
| 21:17.36 | LiraNuna | I activated extras, not devel |
| 21:17.38 | LiraNuna | shoots self |
| 21:17.45 | javispedro | apt-get not found? |
| 21:17.51 | LiraNuna | in armel |
| 21:17.57 | javispedro | uhhh |
| 21:18.03 | javispedro | it is in the debian devkit |
| 21:18.26 | LiraNuna | I'm on ubuntu 9.10 64bit |
| 21:18.40 | javispedro | shouldn't matter |
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| 21:20.02 | javispedro | LiraNuna: output of sb-conf show FREMANTLE_ARMEL should contain "debian-etch" |
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| 21:21.02 | FireStorm| | if i can't find a package in the download app manager what else can i do |
| 21:21.07 | LiraNuna | javispedro, devkits: none |
| 21:21.18 | FireStorm| | i did apt-get install package but get package not find |
| 21:21.20 | FireStorm| | found* |
| 21:21.35 | FireStorm| | tried for a apt-get update aswell |
| 21:21.43 | javispedro | LiraNuna: bad install. either gui installer failure or you missed that step in manual install |
| 21:21.59 | LiraNuna | can I still do it from within scratchbox? |
| 21:22.10 | javispedro | yeah |
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| 21:22.20 | javispedro | sb-menu |
| 21:22.23 | LiraNuna | sb-menu -> Install? |
| 21:22.24 | javispedro | and go on |
| 21:22.31 | javispedro | setup |
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| 21:22.58 | javispedro | Compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 Devkits: qemu perl debian-etch doctools svn git CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb |
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| 21:24.10 | FireStorm| | ay one ideas? |
| 21:24.16 | LiraNuna | then extract rootstrap? |
| 21:24.31 | javispedro | LiraNuna: no need to if you did already |
| 21:25.31 | LiraNuna | there we go |
| 21:25.33 | LiraNuna | now it works |
| 21:25.35 | LiraNuna | thanks javispedro |
| 21:25.38 | uhsf | yesterday i used route add default gw 192.168.2.14 to be able to ping google.com from my n900 with usb networking but now it doesn't work anymore. what should i try instead? |
| 21:25.50 | LiraNuna | I was wondering why my armel has problems |
| 21:26.23 | javispedro | FireStorm|: search for it here maemo.org/packages/ or http://ageofikon.info/packrat/ |
| 21:26.33 | ech0Nokia | anyone tested aircrack-ng on n900? saw on some googlin it was locked to only chan 6? that still an issue? |
| 21:27.16 | FireStorm| | nothing javispedro |
| 21:27.38 | javispedro | FireStorm|: then most probably doesn't exist. |
| 21:27.45 | uhsf | i was told i was missing the route via the pc to ping google.com from my n900, how to set this route? |
| 21:28.03 | ech0Nokia | lol what? |
| 21:28.03 | FireStorm| | there must be a mms software ? |
| 21:28.12 | ech0Nokia | yes fmms |
| 21:28.20 | FireStorm| | FFS |
| 21:28.26 | FireStorm| | slaps self round face with cricket bat |
| 21:28.31 | FireStorm| | rmms is not fmms |
| 21:28.49 | till- | uhsf try rebooting |
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| 21:30.04 | FireStorm| | http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/ |
| 21:30.07 | FireStorm| | so if i got it there |
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| 21:30.42 | FireStorm| | and i download the ,deb file |
| 21:30.44 | FireStorm| | how would i install it |
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| 21:32.18 | uhsf | till-: what do you think rebooting will restart? i hate rebooting my n900 not only because of the gay splashscreen jingle but mostly because it's a real pain to set up usb networking back everytime |
| 21:32.36 | pupnik | dpkg -i whatever.deb |
| 21:32.45 | javispedro | i wouldn't (dependencies!) |
| 21:35.36 | till- | uhsf as long as you havn't changed any files the route and network should be resettet |
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| 21:37.15 | FireStorm| | ? |
| 21:39.33 | LiraNuna | javispedro, how can I know I got your version of the code? |
| 21:39.51 | javispedro | LiraNuna: does it have a debian/patches directory? :) |
| 21:40.01 | LiraNuna | yes |
| 21:40.06 | javispedro | then you did :) |
| 21:40.11 | javispedro | do debian/rules patch inside sbox also |
| 21:41.35 | LiraNuna | what does that mean? I'm not familiar with debian packaging system |
| 21:41.40 | LiraNuna | build* |
| 21:41.56 | LiraNuna | I know about checkinstall, but that's about it |
| 21:42.11 | uhsf | till-: i still get ping: bad address 'google.com' after rebooting. what is wrong? |
| 21:42.14 | javispedro | LiraNuna: all my patches to the upstream source are in debian/patches |
| 21:42.38 | uhsf | till-: my /etc/network/interfaces is exactly like in the wiki |
| 21:42.47 | javispedro | LiraNuna: to apply them all, you have to run "debian/rules patch" in the src dir |
| 21:43.12 | LiraNuna | ../debian/rules:13: /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make: No such file or directory |
| 21:43.15 | LiraNuna | :| |
| 21:43.21 | javispedro | LiraNuna: apt-get install quilt |
| 21:43.26 | dan2003 | i have my sdk upgraded to pr1.2 and it seems i cannot presenlty test apps on the phone from wihtin eclipse - is this due to a conflict between 1.2 and the phone being 1.1.1 ? |
| 21:43.40 | LiraNuna | ah, that's what it is |
| 21:43.45 | javispedro | LiraNuna: you can also apply the patches separately, in your own dir |
| 21:43.53 | javispedro | LiraNuna: in case you want to reuse your "bork autoconf" setup ;) |
| 21:44.07 | LiraNuna | I don't mind |
| 21:44.08 | dan2003 | (it segfaults when i try on the phone) runs fine on pc |
| 21:44.11 | uhsf | does it change something if it's usb1 on my pc instead of usb0? |
| 21:44.14 | LiraNuna | I want to compile it just as you do |
| 21:44.18 | LiraNuna | just with 4.4.3 |
| 21:44.53 | javispedro | LiraNuna: then do "apt-get build-dep dosbox" |
| 21:44.59 | javispedro | and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 21:45.04 | till- | uhsf no idea, i just had to tweak my n800 to support pptp-vpn some time ago |
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| 21:45.58 | lcuk | ponders |
| 21:46.42 | uhsf | in /etc/network/interfaces, the auto usb0 iface usb0, is it the usb0 on the n900 or the pc? |
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| 21:48.46 | LiraNuna | oh wow, javispedro the dynarec is armv4 |
| 21:48.58 | LiraNuna | // choose your destiny: |
| 21:48.59 | LiraNuna | hahaha |
| 21:49.13 | javispedro | LiraNuna: no wonder, original target was gp2x |
| 21:49.20 | LiraNuna | oooh |
| 21:50.00 | uhsf | why i can't ping google.com? is it possible there's a package missing? |
| 21:50.11 | LiraNuna | I believe that on N900 you need root to ping |
| 21:50.34 | uhsf | i tried as root |
| 21:50.54 | LiraNuna | javispedro, will the ARM dynarec be automatically build upon ARM target? |
| 21:51.04 | dan2003 | does anybody know if the n900 native medi player decodes mp3 on the CPU or in the DSP / whatever the media processor thing is |
| 21:51.07 | LiraNuna | or is there a magic undocumented configure switch |
| 21:51.10 | javispedro | LiraNuna: i don't remember the autoconf magic from the top of my head |
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| 21:51.42 | lcuk | uhsf, how long have you had your arch system up and running? and do you find it easy to do all your administration tasks in it? |
| 21:51.48 | dan2003 | i assume the flac/ogg addon support is cpu based - some has just compiled the existing libs |
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| 21:53.32 | javispedro | LiraNuna: from a quick look to the arm-target patch, you need to #define C_TARGETCPU ARMV4LE, #define C_DYNREC 1 |
| 21:53.33 | uhsf | lcuk: i'm using arch linux exclusively since 2005 |
| 21:54.02 | LiraNuna | #define C_TARGETCPU ARMV4LE |
| 21:54.03 | LiraNuna | horray |
| 21:54.04 | LiraNuna | already there |
| 21:54.27 | javispedro | LiraNuna: weren't you building it using dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 21:54.35 | LiraNuna | no |
| 21:54.45 | uhsf | arch is really my favorite distro. it's the most up to date for all software |
| 21:54.48 | LiraNuna | just wanted the source |
| 21:56.23 | ssvb | LiraNuna: btw, does dynarec use thumb? |
| 21:56.28 | uhsf | i think it's easy to do admin tasks in arch, even if many things often break after updates. |
| 21:57.07 | LiraNuna | ssvb, I didn't look at the code |
| 21:57.38 | javispedro | ssvb: thumb (1), iirc. |
| 21:57.46 | ssvb | thumb is problematic on OMAP3 |
| 21:58.04 | javispedro | and thumbee? |
| 21:58.26 | ssvb | javispedro: all kind of thumbs |
| 21:58.47 | javispedro | that's weird, they cripple jazelle then thumbee (the supposed "alternative"?) |
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| 22:00.01 | ssvb | javispedro: they did not intend to cripple it, these are just HW bugs in the first Cortex-A8 revisions (OMAP3430 uses Cortex-A8 r1p3) |
| 22:01.05 | uhsf | i think i solved the ping problem by changing nameserver to my router's ip in /etc/resolv.conf, what kind of an ugly hack is this? |
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| 22:02.25 | LiraNuna | ugh, why does my N900 disconnects from skype/gtalk every 10mins or so |
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| 22:06.15 | javispedro | ssvb: oh god. have linky? |
| 22:07.08 | ssvb | javispedro: cortex-a8 errata list, but it is not available for free download |
| 22:07.56 | ssvb | javispedro: here is one link http://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2009-05/msg00297.html |
| 22:08.47 | javispedro | fortunately, that's thumbee only |
| 22:09.12 | ssvb | javispedro: it's thumb2 bug |
| 22:09.38 | ssvb | javispedro: and it's only one of the bugs |
| 22:09.51 | ptl_demands_PR12 | signal sender=:1.37 -> dest=(null destination) serial=353 path=/org/bluez/889/hci0; interface=org.bluez.Adapter; member=PropertyChanged string "Powered" variant boolean false |
| 22:09.56 | ptl_demands_PR12 | how do I turn this into a dbus call? |
| 22:10.07 | ptl_demands_PR12 | dbus-send ...? |
| 22:10.19 | ptl_demands_PR12 | [user@n900 user]% dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply /org/bluez/889/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.PropertyChanged string:"Powered" boolean:true |
| 22:10.21 | dan2003 | got a weird effect with qpushbuttons with png icons on, anything red comes out blue, and the same buttons that should have red on are all messed up |
| 22:10.22 | ptl_demands_PR12 | Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "PropertyChanged" with signature "sb" on interface "org.bluez.Adapter" doesn't exist |
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| 22:12.23 | ssvb | javispedro: and the problem with this bug is that it can be workarounded in the linker for the statically compiled code, but any JIT engine also has to avoid problematic instruction sequences |
| 22:12.43 | javispedro | yeah |
| 22:12.58 | javispedro | well, I though you were talking about performance problems |
| 22:13.24 | javispedro | dosbox in -devel has had the thumb1 jit enabled for months with no visible crash complaints |
| 22:14.04 | LiraNuna | that's cause it's armv4 |
| 22:14.56 | javispedro | the what? |
| 22:15.18 | LiraNuna | I think the problematic instructions are only in thumb2 |
| 22:15.38 | javispedro | for the record, thumbee=thumb2 for me ;) |
| 22:16.06 | javispedro | (that's not exactly the case afaik but doesn't really matter much here) |
| 22:17.14 | ssvb | javispedro: no, they are a bit different: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0406b/index.html |
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| 22:17.32 | ssvb | LiraNuna: thumb1 also has HW bugs |
| 22:18.03 | LiraNuna | oh dear |
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| 22:21.02 | ssvb | LiraNuna: this one - http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=7ce236fcd6fd45b0441a2d49acb2ceb2de2e8a47 |
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| 22:21.53 | ssvb | LiraNuna: it can be workarounded, but it hurts context switch performance, which is bad for pulseaudio, dbus, etc. |
| 22:21.58 | LiraNuna | how do I Esc in dosbox, javispedro |
| 22:21.59 | JZA | anyone here have a cool opml that they want to share about Maemo/MeeGo |
| 22:22.13 | javispedro | LiraNuna: map it (-startmapper) |
| 22:22.18 | LiraNuna | ah |
| 22:23.58 | pupnik | i still wouldnt mind sdl-mixer working with rx51 alsa driver |
| 22:24.19 | ssvb | LiraNuna: if dosbox jit can be switched to generate just normal arm code, that would be the best choice |
| 22:25.04 | LiraNuna | first, pupnik wants me to see if switching to GCC 4.4.3 speeds anything up |
| 22:25.36 | ssvb | LiraNuna: gcc 4.4.3 sometimes generates much slower code than 4.3 for arm |
| 22:25.59 | LiraNuna | it's better than 4.1.2 :) |
| 22:26.18 | ssvb | LiraNuna: the biggest problem of gcc 4.4 is that the binaries are generally larger, and it is bad for I-cache |
| 22:26.54 | ssvb | LiraNuna: is it? do you have any benchmarks? |
| 22:27.18 | ssvb | LiraNuna: and I guess 4.1 is old and irrelevant anyway |
| 22:27.20 | LiraNuna | well, 4.1.2 hates NEON and ICEs for me if you use -O2 |
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| 22:28.23 | ssvb | LiraNuna: 4.1 even does not support NEON at all, NEON was only introduced in upstream gcc 4.3, codesourcery had it since 4.2 |
| 22:28.31 | ptl_demands_PR12 | found it by trial and error :P |
| 22:28.48 | ptl_demands_PR12 | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/889/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.SetProperty string:Powered variant:boolean:true |
| 22:30.05 | ssvb | LiraNuna: and ICE is better than silent generation of a broken nonworking binary :) |
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| 22:30.27 | LiraNuna | true, but it's not the compiler's code, now is it |
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| 22:31.06 | ssvb | LiraNuna: most of the problems are related to gcc autovectorization, this is buggy to different extent on all platforms |
| 22:31.27 | ssvb | LiraNuna: so it is always safer to explicitly disable it |
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| 22:31.35 | corecode | what's up with that overclocking talk |
| 22:31.44 | corecode | anybody have kernel patches? |
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| 22:31.53 | MohammadAG_ | waves hand |
| 22:32.00 | corecode | share? |
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| 22:34.14 | ptl_demands_PR12 | added to Phone Control page |
| 22:34.27 | ssvb | LiraNuna: about gcc optimizations quality: http://hardwarebug.org/2009/08/05/arm-compiler-shoot-out/ |
| 22:34.51 | GAN900 | wants his cloak. |
| 22:35.08 | ssvb | LiraNuna: I can confirm that gcc 4.4 generates up to 30% slower code (also on the software other than ffmpeg) |
| 22:35.23 | LiraNuna | oh wow |
| 22:35.25 | javispedro | LiraNuna: btw, I just noted that fremantle_armels gcc version is 4.2.1 |
| 22:35.31 | javispedro | not 4.1 |
| 22:35.34 | LiraNuna | oh whoops |
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| 22:36.00 | JZA | corecode: yeah I wonder if there is some kind of planet for maemo folks |
| 22:36.08 | JZA | to keep current with the tips and tricks |
| 22:36.37 | JZA | or an opml that I can just add to my blog reader |
| 22:38.23 | ptl_demands_PR12 | ssvb: Wow, ARM RVCT beats every compiler out there. I don't know this compiler, is it free as in free speech? |
| 22:39.00 | javispedro | no. |
| 22:39.01 | ptl_demands_PR12 | corecode: planet maemo? talk.maemo.org ? |
| 22:39.23 | ptl_demands_PR12 | JZA: I've got a list of good maemo blogs, if you want. I can send it to you in OPML format. |
| 22:40.03 | JZA | great... ptl_demands_PR12 |
| 22:40.23 | JZA | you can dcc it if you want |
| 22:41.29 | ssvb | ptl_demands_PR12: about free as speech gcc alternative for arm, clang/llvm might become interesting in the future |
| 22:42.43 | ptl_demands_PR12 | ssvb: but right now, ARM RVCT isn't? |
| 22:42.43 | ssvb | ptl_demands_PR12: but today its arm target is highly experimental, and maybe only suitable just for simple helloworld applications |
| 22:42.47 | ptl_demands_PR12 | JZA: sent |
| 22:43.24 | ssvb | ptl_demands_PR12: ARM RVCT is a quite expensive commercial compiler |
| 22:43.25 | JZA | thanks |
| 22:43.49 | ptl_demands_PR12 | ssvb: I see :/ |
| 22:45.27 | lcuk | starts a breeding program |
| 22:45.59 | lcuk | (context: http://twitter.com/sjgadsby/status/11555976697) |
| 22:49.37 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: so, any idea where bme's % comes from? |
| 22:50.26 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, not really, though I'd point out that half of bq27200's sense resistors are connected to the cellmo side EM |
| 22:50.45 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:51.01 | corecode | moh |
| 22:51.13 | MohammadAG_ | does anyone know how to get the name of the song playing from terminal? |
| 22:51.28 | MohammadAG_ | corecode, was that a broken ping? :p |
| 22:51.42 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, amusingly, with an original nokia battery, bq27200 does pretty okay, as long as you keep in mind that what it's trying to accomplish is something different than the user-facing meter |
| 22:51.56 | corecode | MohammadAG_: sorta |
| 22:52.10 | corecode | seems the 2.6.34 kernel has been restructured |
| 22:52.14 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, with third party batteries, bq27200 starts to fail, with the mugen battery, it fails hard... and whatever bme does, despite being quirky, is far more usable |
| 22:52.16 | corecode | on the omap clocking |
| 22:52.30 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, bq27200 is really designed to be in the battery and not in the phone :) |
| 22:52.44 | SpeedEvil | what's it trying to do? |
| 22:52.51 | SpeedEvil | I know. |
| 22:53.00 | MohammadAG_ | corecode, restructured? |
| 22:53.01 | dan2003 | is there some var i can putin project.pro to get the SDK to built against qt 4.6.2.instead of 4.5? i thought i had updated to PR1.2 but i seem to still have both with 4.5 under /usr and 4.6.2 under /opt |
| 22:53.12 | corecode | MohammadAG_: header files changed |
| 22:53.23 | SpeedEvil | but the batteris could not be so inexpensive if they put chips in them |
| 22:53.29 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 22:53.36 | corecode | how's the usb host status? |
| 22:53.59 | MohammadAG_ | corecode, well he edited the omap .h file |
| 22:54.13 | MohammadAG_ | which is a header |
| 22:54.18 | javispedro | oh, I was looking for the omap34xx technical manual the other day |
| 22:54.21 | dan2003 | hmm, in fact i have 4.6.2 i both paces but the maemo5 integration is only on the /opt version |
| 22:54.21 | SpeedEvil | I'm running a USB toaster from my N900 now. |
| 22:54.21 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, well basically bq27200's perception of energy is different. It's stated goal is to show 6.25% remaining capacity when the battery is at EDV1 threshold voltage. That's 0.025 volts higher than the point at which the device shuts down, or in other words, same point. |
| 22:54.27 | javispedro | and I find it now that I wasn't looking for it |
| 22:54.30 | corecode | MohammadAG_: yea, which does not exist in 2.6.34 anymore |
| 22:54.38 | SpeedEvil | I only get 8 slices per charge. |
| 22:54.40 | MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, but does it blend? |
| 22:54.46 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, bme's goal seems to be to show 0% (ish) at first battery low warning |
| 22:54.52 | javispedro | the OMAP34xx manual: http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/SWPU223A_FinalEPDF_03_17_2010.pdf |
| 22:55.21 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:55.22 | ShadowJK | So just the different goals give widely different opinions on the state of charge of the battery |
| 22:55.30 | MohammadAG_ | corecode, so nokia restructured it? |
| 22:55.54 | ShadowJK | Also, bq27200 will happily show 6% for 2 days if it thinks hte battery is full |
| 22:56.07 | ShadowJK | or happily show 100% for 2 hours while charge current is 500mA, if it thinks the battery is full |
| 22:56.23 | ShadowJK | s/hte battery is full/the battery is empty/ |
| 22:56.25 | ShadowJK | ;-) |
| 22:57.07 | pupnik | weird |
| 22:57.09 | ShadowJK | BME thinks the mugen 2400mAh batteyr's capacity is 800mAh...1200mAh, due to a design error in the mugen battery, and will use current consumption to drive the capacity meter |
| 22:57.30 | ShadowJK | but, at certain voltage thresholds, it does some sort of sanity check, and will correct itself |
| 22:58.04 | ShadowJK | This all gives me the impression, that whatever bme is doing, is 10 years of people adding tons of heuristics to it |
| 22:58.53 | ShadowJK | bme is the hollistic approach, bq27200 is the high-tech approach. |
| 22:59.14 | ShadowJK | high-tech wins as long as you use the original battery, and let the device run down until it shuts down once a month or so. |
| 22:59.55 | ShadowJK | It's not designed to adapt to users swapping batteries, so when it tries to learn the properties of a battery, it will reject new data if it's out of line with previous information |
| 23:00.04 | ShadowJK | Which would happen if you change batteries |
| 23:01.15 | ShadowJK | If it's really confused, it will fall back to the constants stored in the eeprom, which, as far as I can tell, are tailored for a brand new BL-5J battery |
| 23:02.05 | ShadowJK | But anyway, one of the nice things bq27200 gives us, is a current meter |
| 23:02.09 | ShadowJK | it's updated every 5.12 seconds |
| 23:03.16 | ShadowJK | And as long as you're inside 6...100% of what bq27200 considers charge level to be, the coloumb counter is accurate too. |
| 23:03.55 | lcuk | lol w00t_ |
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| 23:09.51 | w00t_ | :) |
| 23:10.30 | SpeedEvil | wants a task list widget. |
| 23:10.43 | SpeedEvil | and camkeyd able to go to a desktop |
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| 23:12.59 | pupnik | can we see total current current drain in mA? |
| 23:14.19 | ShadowJK | pupnik, when not on charger, yes |
| 23:15.23 | trumee_ | is there a graphical client for scp on maemo? |
| 23:15.29 | trumee_ | something ike winscp |
| 23:15.44 | pupnik | do you know how ShadowJK ? or have a search term for this? |
| 23:15.45 | trumee_ | manually scping is a bit off a hassle |
| 23:16.18 | trumee_ | pupnik: thanks for the pointer to knots. it is perfect |
| 23:16.24 | ShadowJK | pupnik, I have a binary and a script. I consider it extremely experimental, and would take no responsibility if it bricks your N900. If you understand this you can have it |
| 23:17.09 | trumee_ | i am missing fish:// on n900 |
| 23:17.13 | ShadowJK | So far it has once made my N900 stop charging while connected to charger :) |
| 23:17.23 | ShadowJK | (it resumed charging when I unplugged and replugged charger) |
| 23:17.26 | pupnik | great trumee_ ! |
| 23:17.44 | pupnik | well im curious enough ShadowJK |
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| 23:21.47 | ShadowJK | pupnik, http://enivax.net/jk/bq27200.sh http://enivax.net/jk/i2cget |
| 23:21.56 | ShadowJK | Download those two |
| 23:22.08 | ShadowJK | Put them in a directory somewhere (I have them in ~) |
| 23:22.18 | ShadowJK | In that directory, be root. execute ./bq27200.sh |
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| 23:22.23 | ShadowJK | To get a dump of the current situation |
| 23:22.32 | ShadowJK | (Where current means "present") |
| 23:22.39 | ShadowJK | ./bq27200.sh 5 |
| 23:22.50 | ShadowJK | And you get a vmstat-like view that is updated every 5 seconds |
| 23:24.07 | ShadowJK | with time, battery voltage, Relative state of charge, Compensated state of charge, current drain/charge in mA, Nominal Available Capacity, discharge current compensated available capacity, discharge and temperature compensated available capacity, Time to full in minutes, Time to empty in minutes, temperature in kelvin, and EDV1 flag |
| 23:27.00 | ShadowJK | pupnik, the script itself has some comments of the different values, if there's anything you want to know feel free to ask |
| 23:27.57 | ShadowJK | Worth keeping in mind: When bq27200 is 100% accurate and correct, the device will, after a period of beeping low battery, shut down when bq27200 says 6-7% remaining capacity |
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| 23:29.26 | pupnik | awesome |
| 23:30.03 | pupnik | ty. finally a window into what im using |
| 23:30.05 | luke-jr | mutters |
| 23:30.25 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, HELLO |
| 23:30.35 | luke-jr | hi |
| 23:30.50 | luke-jr | luke the fool is trying to make his N810 vaguely useful today |
| 23:30.53 | ptl_demands_PR12 | ShadowJK: but do you know the actual trigger? Is it 6 or 7 percent? |
| 23:30.55 | luke-jr | and getting more pissed |
| 23:31.12 | ShadowJK | ptl_demands_PR12, the actual trigger is voltage based. N900 will shut down at 3200mV |
| 23:31.26 | ShadowJK | Battery Low warning comes at 3550mV or in that region |
| 23:31.27 | b-man|n900 | boots up Windows 95 in dosbox on his N900 to test the integrity of his N900's 800mhz overclocked cpu |
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| 23:31.58 | luke-jr | b-man|n900: that won't test it properly |
| 23:32.03 | ShadowJK | With a fresh-ish battery, the time between battery low and shutdown is about an hour |
| 23:32.14 | luke-jr | in general, overclocking is only noticable long-term |
| 23:32.18 | luke-jr | eg, CPU dies sooner |
| 23:32.26 | b-man|n900 | indeed |
| 23:32.28 | ShadowJK | With a very old/degraded battery, time between battery low and device shutdown could be a matter of seconds |
| 23:32.49 | ShadowJK | electromigration or whatever it was called... |
| 23:32.57 | ShadowJK | electron-migration? |
| 23:33.16 | b-man|n900 | i'm mostly doing it for testing purposes |
| 23:33.34 | SpeedEvil | electromigration |
| 23:33.34 | ShadowJK | http://pastebin.com/BcxNcLiM <- current output of my script |
| 23:33.48 | SpeedEvil | the electrons don't migrate |
| 23:33.57 | ShadowJK | It's becoming massive spaghetti-code bash though... I'm considering a C rewrite :/ |
| 23:33.57 | b-man|n900 | Lluke-jr: how should i test it? xD |
| 23:34.14 | b-man|n900 | *luke-jr |
| 23:34.15 | luke-jr | b-man|n900: I just wouldn't do it. :p |
| 23:34.30 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: neat! |
| 23:35.03 | ShadowJK | In this paste my N900 is consuming ~35mA to run 2 bq2700.sh scripts (one locally on device, one over ssh and wlan), openvpn and xchat, over wlan. |
| 23:35.06 | ShadowJK | screen off |
| 23:35.33 | SpeedEvil | sounds ballpark |
| 23:36.12 | ShadowJK | Battery voltage is 3.724 volt. At this low load, bq27200 says battery is at 23% |
| 23:36.12 | SpeedEvil | now - gnuplot! |
| 23:36.23 | pupnik | wh did you already delete them ShadowJK ? |
| 23:36.32 | ShadowJK | pupnik, I did not? |
| 23:36.32 | pupnik | i was multitasking |
| 23:36.33 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 23:36.41 | luke-jr | so anyhow |
| 23:36.47 | luke-jr | Nokia has screwed me still |
| 23:36.52 | ShadowJK | pupnik, hold on |
| 23:37.02 | luke-jr | GPS doesn't work at all. And today's new thing is NOLO doesn't either. |
| 23:37.06 | luke-jr | f u Nokia >:O |
| 23:37.49 | ShadowJK | pupnik, http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar |
| 23:37.53 | b-man|laptop | luke-jr: what do you think of that new MID Sharp just announced? |
| 23:37.55 | ShadowJK | my webserver is too smart |
| 23:37.56 | ShadowJK | sorry |
| 23:38.20 | luke-jr | b-man|laptop: didn't see it...? |
| 23:38.32 | b-man|laptop | grabs the link |
| 23:38.53 | ShadowJK | TTF: 65535 <- there's no charging, so time to full is "infinite"=65535. TTE: 434 minutes <- 434 minutes estimated until empty at the current (last 5 seconds) load |
| 23:39.22 | ShadowJK | SI: 24 mA STTE: 666 minutes <- Standby consumption estimated as 24mA. In standby, battery would last 666 minutes |
| 23:39.39 | b-man|laptop | luke-jr: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/sharp-is01-snapdragon-powered-3g-mid-introduces-au-to-android/ |
| 23:39.59 | luke-jr | Android? :( |
| 23:40.02 | ShadowJK | MLI: 772 mA MLTTE: 19 minutes <- Max load (either from eeprom, or observed by bq2700) is 772mA. At maximum load, battery would last 19 minutes at current charge level |
| 23:40.35 | b-man|laptop | luke-jr: i sure you could get something else running on it ;) |
| 23:40.41 | luke-jr | b-man|laptop: maybe |
| 23:40.45 | luke-jr | also capacitive ts |
| 23:41.14 | luke-jr | but you know |
| 23:41.25 | luke-jr | if that thing has enough RAM, I might actually be interested |
| 23:41.41 | pupnik | so did you find interesting results so far with it ShadowJK ? |
| 23:41.54 | ShadowJK | Last Measured Discharge: 1154 mAh <- The last time the battery was charged to full, and then discharged in one go to empty (device shutdown), this was the capacity of the energy released from the battery. Very "radical" changes in LMD are rejected, so it doesn't "learn" the new capacity of the huge mugen battery, unfortunately :( |
| 23:42.07 | pupnik | oh cool |
| 23:42.17 | luke-jr | b-man|laptop: any price release? |
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| 23:42.33 | ShadowJK | Cycle Count since Learning: 2 <- The Last Measured Discharge (LMD) was recorded this many cycles ago. |
| 23:42.41 | b-man|laptop | luke-jr: not from what i've seen |
| 23:42.45 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: cheat? |
| 23:42.53 | pupnik | im hoping to get a better feel for which things to avoid to maximize batt life |
| 23:43.03 | ShadowJK | Total Cycle Count since last full reset: 78 <- a "full reset" is very rare, so this is basically the amoutn of charge/discharge cycles the chip has seen |
| 23:43.19 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: dischargbe to q1300, 1400,... |
| 23:44.05 | b-man|laptop | luke-jr: here are a few specs: http://en.akihabaranews.com/41510/phone/hands-on-jn-dk01-and-is01-sharp-and-au-first-android-mid |
| 23:45.34 | ShadowJK | Charge:0 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF: 0 <- IMIN=1 <- charge current has tapered off to such a low level that the battery can be considered full. CI <- 1 means Capacity Inaccurate. VDQ <- 1 means "valid discharge", all the conditions required are met for bq27200 to learn the new capacity when reaching EDV1. EDV1 <- Battery voltage has reached the EDV1 threshold which signals 6.25% battery capacity. If VDQ=1, the accumulated capacity from |
| 23:45.40 | ShadowJK | full to low is a candidate for learning the battery's capacity |
| 23:46.35 | luke-jr | b-man|laptop: that's a blank page |
| 23:46.53 | b-man|laptop | O_- |
| 23:47.01 | b-man|laptop | **O_o |
| 23:47.06 | b-man|laptop | 1 sec |
| 23:47.11 | SpeedEvil | n900 hardware power consumption |
| 23:47.17 | SpeedEvil | page on wiki |
| 23:48.08 | b-man|laptop | luke-jr: http://en.akihabaranews.com/41510/phone/hands-on-jn-dk01-and-is01-sharp-and-au-first-android-mid < the page is completely blank?? - it's rendering fine from my browser... |
| 23:48.21 | luke-jr | i had to scroll to the right |
| 23:48.23 | ShadowJK | ILMD=1370 EDVF=3000 EDV1=3248 ISLC=13 <- ILMD Initial Last Measured Discharge, the default initial last measured capacity of no learning cycle has been completed. EDVF = battery empty voltage, EDV1 = battery 6.25% threshold voltage. ISLC = Initial Standby Load Current. The amount of power consumed in standby. b27200 adjusts this up and down depending on actual load. Consumption "much" higher than SLC will not be considered a standby |
| 23:48.27 | b-man|laptop | ah |
| 23:48.29 | b-man|laptop | lol |
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| 23:50.21 | ShadowJK | DMF=14700 nanoVolt SD=201 AGELMD=1 TAPER=68 mA. The chip will account for 0.201% battery self-discharge per day. AGELMD=1=in the asbence of valid learning cycles, the chip is programmed to estimate the capacity loss of the battery due to age and temperature. TAPER, when the charge current has tapered off to 68mA, the chip will consider the battery fully charged |
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| 23:50.33 | pupnik | wow this is complicated |
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| 23:50.56 | b-man|laptop | luke-jr: what do you think? |
| 23:51.10 | luke-jr | b-man|laptop: I think the RAM is the crucial piece |
| 23:51.12 | luke-jr | also, what of GPS? |
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| 23:52.52 | b-man|laptop | not entirely sure until a more detailed spec sheet is available ;P |
| 23:52.59 | ShadowJK | IMLC=685 mA The maximum programmed load. Initially MLC=IMLC. MLC is used to calculate "Time to empty at maximum load" value. If average current over a 5.12 second period (AI) exceeds MLC, MLC is updated with the value from AI. So, MLC is the max of IMLC and the biggest current drain observed so far |
| 23:53.07 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: www.mauve.plus.com/stats - mine |
| 23:53.25 | ShadowJK | 404 |
| 23:53.37 | SpeedEvil | wow |
| 23:53.43 | b-man|laptop | lol |
| 23:53.48 | SpeedEvil | my connection is being sucky |
| 23:53.53 | SpeedEvil | ftp up stalled |
| 23:53.59 | luke-jr | how do you add to pdadb? |
| 23:55.15 | SpeedEvil | there |
| 23:56.24 | luke-jr | ? |
| 23:56.50 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, you've never let your N900 run down until it shut down :) |
| 23:56.51 | pupnik | interesting |
| 23:57.29 | b-man|laptop | luke-jr: pdadb? |
| 23:57.43 | pupnik | why are MLI and SLI only given as averages? can we get "last 10 seconds" also? |
| 23:57.44 | ShadowJK | 74 charge/discharge cycles that makes your device about as old as mine :) |
| 23:57.44 | luke-jr | ... |
| 23:57.49 | luke-jr | b-man|laptop: .net |
| 23:58.20 | b-man|laptop | not sure on that one.. |
| 23:58.31 | ShadowJK | pupnik, MLI and SLI aren't averages |
| 23:58.35 | ShadowJK | but "average current" is |
| 23:58.43 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 23:58.48 | SpeedEvil | possibly not |
| 23:59.09 | ShadowJK | Maximum load Current is the maximum load, over 5 seconds, ever observed, OR IMLC from eeprom |
| 23:59.21 | SpeedEvil | Interesting. |
| 23:59.41 | ShadowJK | SLI is standby current, there's some heuristics involved in this... |
| 23:59.41 | SpeedEvil | I woonder if that 17ma reading is a bogon |
| 23:59.51 | ShadowJK | I don't remember the heuristics well enough.. |
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