IRC log for #maemo on 20100211

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00:02.27SandmanFreedom of software are important for me. DRM might halt the evolution.
00:02.33konfoohowever if you control the device, that's another story
00:02.44crashanddieSandman: if you believe that, you don't understand the principle
00:02.53crashanddieSandman: go read the wiki about maemo security
00:02.55crashanddie~security
00:02.56infobotSecurity is way over rated, Heck I imagine you still run windows on your regular PC don't lecture about security
00:03.00crashanddie~maemosecurity
00:03.01luke-jrSandman: if freedom of software is important to you, then why do you demand to use non-free software? ;)
00:03.17GAN900lol
00:03.25GAN900Let's play spot the trolls, kids!
00:03.32crashanddiethat quote form infobot is pretty good actually
00:03.36zerojay^5's GAN900
00:03.41Sandmanwell.. i want to use all the good software
00:03.51Sandmanlike i do now on Linux
00:04.02luke-jrSandman: the DRM'd software simply won't exist if there's no DRM.
00:04.04tripzeroi like chicken
00:04.12Sandmanwhy should a telephone be different'?
00:04.14konfoouseless debate
00:04.16zerojayluke-jr: Exactly.
00:04.23crashanddieSandman: do you own a maemo device?
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00:04.41zerojaySandman: Don't worry. The ability to run free software on Maemo isn't disappearing.
00:04.52SandmanNo, but i am a potential buyer.. i adding the plus and minus
00:04.57luke-jrzerojay: that ability has never existed
00:05.14crashanddieSandman: then stop trolling
00:05.19zerojayluke-jr: Right... you and your delusions.
00:05.27konfoohaha
00:05.29konfoowow
00:05.38Sandmanhow can a valid question be trolling?
00:05.47crashanddieSandman: because you're ignoring what we're saying
00:05.52crashanddieit's like walking to a friggin wall
00:06.03crashanddieeither you ask questions and you listen to the replies you get, or you don't ask 'em
00:06.04Sandmani have not
00:06.11crashanddie... my point exactly
00:06.13konfoocrashanddie: s/like//
00:06.42luke-jrSandman: #FreeHandheld might be of interest
00:06.44SandmanDRM is not free... and i like it to be free
00:07.11konfoogo take your neighbor's car then
00:07.19konfoowouldnt you like that to be free too?
00:07.26konfoo(unless its a pos)
00:07.45crashanddieor a holden
00:07.47luke-jrSandman: DRM is not free. proprietary is not free. but they exist.
00:07.51crashanddiethey'd have to pay me to steal it
00:07.58Sandmanimmatriell things are not the same as materiel
00:08.07crashanddieno, definitely not
00:08.12Sandmanyeah, i know luke
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00:08.15crashanddieyou added a bunch of letters to the second word
00:08.18crashanddieso they're not the same
00:08.26konfoohaha
00:08.49mavhcso there's no drm today, and in the future there may be, who's forcing you to upgrade?
00:09.10konfooand if you upgrade, who's forcing you to download drm-based content?
00:09.12crashanddieSandman: please stop trolling
00:09.13luke-jrit can be argued that simply lack of source is a form of DRM
00:09.19crashanddieSandman: second time I ask you
00:09.23luke-jrso there is DRM today too :)
00:09.26Sandmancrash.. the only one trolling is you
00:09.34crashanddiefair enough
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00:09.43konfoohes the only one talking sense
00:09.49konfoothe rest of you are insane
00:09.53zerojayDon't.
00:09.55zerojayPlease.
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00:10.03luke-jr..
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00:10.12luke-jrlol?
00:10.55luke-jrwonders if that was intentional or just FAIL...
00:12.46Sandmanwell.. android just got more intresting by this
00:13.10luke-jrSandman: the problem with Android is that it reinvents everything
00:13.12jebbacan you change bootloader & kernel etc on android?
00:13.18MouseySandman: don't forget WebOS!
00:13.19Mousey^_^
00:13.19zerojayDoesn't Android have DRM too?
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00:13.38luke-jrjebba: bootloader is not part of Android
00:13.43Sandmandon't know
00:13.53Sandmani am still learning
00:14.08jebbawhat bootloader does it use then? gotta use something
00:14.17GeneralAntillesSandman, if you're thinking Android is a more open platform Maemo you're deluded.
00:14.28luke-jrjebba: the phones use various bootloaders, but I don't think there's anything consistnet
00:14.39Sandmani am not... but if nothing is free why bother
00:14.41luke-jrGeneralAntilles: it is, with some phones
00:14.46luke-jrsupposedly
00:14.58GeneralAntillesluke-jr, open isn't just code.
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00:15.24luke-jrif you can replace componentX, then componentX is irrelevant :p
00:15.47Sandmanhow well will Ubuntu work on a N900?
00:16.04GeneralAntilles~mer
00:16.04infobotmer is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer
00:16.22luke-jrMer != Ubuntu
00:16.27Sandmanyeah.. Mer could be something
00:16.28b-man17is working on getting a bootable version of ubuntu lucid going on the N900
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00:16.37jebbai have fedora going OK.
00:16.40Sandmancool!
00:16.46jebbaCan't recharge the fukin battery though. Totally lame.
00:17.04jebbai've been trying to get ofono going for hours, but no go so far.
00:17.14b-man17although lucid has some serious bugs with apt and dpkg :(
00:17.31Sandmanlucid is in aplpha ;)
00:17.45b-man17hence why ;)
00:17.48Sandmani am rinning it on my computer
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00:18.16Sandmanmost works good... though grub faild me once
00:18.34Sandmanand had to be reinstalled
00:18.46SandmanLucid is the shit!
00:19.05luke-jrSandman: btw, Ubuntu supports DRM
00:19.10SandmanI know
00:19.11b-man17it seems that the apt/dpkg bug is only specific to the arm version
00:19.43AethaerynSandman: Iirc, the reason Android can't install apps onto the MicroSD card is because Google is still working on DRM to prevent you from pirating via the SD card, or something like that. So don't think Android is "pure" if you hate DRM.
00:19.47b-man17Luke-jr: so? :P
00:20.07b-man17doesnt touch drm
00:20.21SandmanNo, i would like to keep me off android
00:20.31zerojayDRM just touches you in your no-no spot.
00:20.37AethaerynSandman: It's also not a GNU/Linux implementation. Normally, I'm not a big proponent of calling Linux "GNU/Linux" but here it's pretty key. Yeah, Android uses the Linux kernel but it doesn't really use anything like a standard Linux distro. Maemo is more like a distro.
00:20.45Sandmani will probably go Mer or Ubuntu on the device
00:21.00b-man17zerojay: lol
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00:21.09zerojaylol
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00:21.32AethaerynSandman: I'm not a big fan of Ubuntu, and them starting to default to Yahoo (Bing) for search is a big negative.
00:21.49Sandmanyeah.. i hate that shit
00:21.52crashanddieYahoo != Bing
00:21.53crashanddieBing == Microsoft; Yahoo wasn't aquired
00:22.20Sandmani was close to change dist due to that
00:22.22Aethaeryncrashanddie: Google "Yahoo Bing"
00:22.51AethaerynMicrosoft is making a deal with Yahoo, where basically Yahoo Search goes away in favor of Bing, and Yahoo returns to being mostly email/portal.
00:22.55crashanddieAethaeryn: wow, three company names and the grammatical sense of your sentence is still correct!
00:23.07Lumpio-I'm gonna go google with Yahoo.
00:23.25zerojayI don't think I've been to a yahoo site in 10 years.
00:23.30Sandmangotta sleep.. later
00:23.45zerojayeh... guess Flickr counts.
00:23.45crashanddieSandman: don't let the /quit hit you in the ass
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00:24.35Sandmangrow up crash...
00:24.37konfooman this place is gettin hostile
00:24.47AethaerynI used to have a Yahoo email, several hotmails (had them for forever so changed name multiple times as I grew up), and several Gmails. Now I just have a hotmail and a Gmail and I rarely check the hotmail. Oh, I also had a Netscape email I used several times because it came with AIM many years ago.
00:25.05AethaerynGmail just has the best interface/storage solutions for free webmail, at least among the ones I've used.
00:25.18crashanddieSandman: you've been ignoring everything I've been saying. All the arguments I've provided you flew past. The only thing is you can't go past the word "DRM", even though you're completely wrong about what it means for the platform and yourself
00:25.53GeneralAntilleskonfoo, too many trolls.
00:26.07crashanddieSandman: don't tell me to grow up, because as far as I'm concerned, at least I've understood what Maemo Security is about, and I'm contributing to it through my expertise and knowledge with regards to expertise and key distribution
00:26.22konfooGeneralAntilles: i prefer to call them the insane/deranged
00:26.25crashanddieerr, that second expertise should be "encryption"
00:26.32Aethaeryncrashanddie: The problem with DRM on things like music and movies is that the pirates just circumvent it, whereas legitimate users are locked down to one device and/or application.
00:26.48crashanddieAethaeryn: that is only the case with poor implementations
00:26.54AethaerynSo it basically becomes an incentive to pirate if there's DRM.
00:26.58SandmanNo, crash.. you have been ignoring me. And you are true. I am noob when it comes to Maemo. Thats why i asked
00:27.10Sandmandidn't think ppl would get upset
00:27.12AethaerynIf there was some kind of universal DRM, I wouldn't mind, but most DRMs lock you down to iTunes and iDevices :P
00:27.34crashanddieAethaeryn: a proper implementation that has an open algorithm is not bad at all, for it can be implemented on any device. Sure, it requires to have a new device, but you did buy a new blu ray player, or a new dvd player ten years ago, right?
00:27.43crashanddieAethaeryn: so why would it be any different now?
00:28.05crashanddieAethaeryn: If I can offer you an algorithm, freely, that will allow you to securely decrypt the files you own, then where's the problem?
00:28.11Aethaeryncrashanddie: The one problem is if it requires a new computer, since computers are supposed to last for years...
00:28.26crashanddieit won't
00:28.41AethaerynBut my point is, if I buy a book, a movie, or a song, I want to be able to use it anywhere, anytime, with any player/reader.
00:28.44crashanddiewell, it may not run on the N900, but that's because the N900 doesn't have a HSM
00:29.06crashanddieAethaeryn: I agree, and in order to achieve that we need to setup a standard encryption format
00:29.18AethaerynAnd I won't share on peer-to-peer networks, since I don't like sharing.
00:29.28AethaerynI'm selfish in that sense. If I paid $5, you should pay $5 too
00:30.13AethaerynI just really don't like how basically DRM locks you to one vendor, device, or application
00:30.26crashanddieyup
00:30.43AethaerynIt would both need to be open and royalty-free, since you wouldn't want to exclude freeware or open source software.
00:30.56prontoyay, newegg is proccessing my replacement n900 ^_^
00:30.56crashanddieagreed
00:31.07Mouseyfreeware isn't the same as free software
00:31.08crashanddiepronto: how long did it take?
00:31.10Mouseyrandom clarification
00:31.17prontoit took a few days for it to get there
00:31.34prontobut once it got there, it seems to be going fast
00:31.40prontoit was UPS ground from maryland to cali
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00:32.33crashanddiepronto: so... pronto presto?
00:32.44prontohuh?
00:33.07Aethaerynpronto: Maryland is being hit with a major series of snowstorms that's crippled us for basically all week
00:33.10prontoah
00:33.15AethaerynSo if it's being shipped from Maryland, that's probably why there's problems.
00:33.16prontoi got it out the day before the first storm
00:33.16prontolol
00:33.20crashanddie"pronto presto": ready soon
00:33.32prontonewegg got my n900
00:33.42prontoand is probally gonna ship the new one ina  day or so
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00:34.06AethaerynAmazon has the N900 for $529.99, which is $20 cheaper than Newegg.
00:34.17prontoi had to RMA my n900 lol
00:34.29prontothe micro usb port broke on it
00:34.38Mouseywonders how hard it'll be to find the n810 now
00:35.04crashanddieMousey: I can sell you one
00:35.09prontoi ordered my n900 on jan 8th, it broke like feb 1st
00:35.18Mouseycrashanddie: new in box?
00:35.25crashanddieMousey: nha, well used
00:35.29crashanddieand abused
00:35.41crashanddieand without a pouch
00:35.44crashanddienor charger
00:35.44Mouseyhad one like that already. need a new one
00:35.55crashanddieand the battery is a crap chinese one
00:36.01crashanddie(chinese wan?)
00:36.18jebbapronto: i had to do exact same thing.
00:36.41prontoi'm just happy newegg was cool about it
00:37.03jebbaya, amazon processed return immediately
00:37.19AethaerynSo is the successor for the n900 going to be the n910 or the n1000?
00:37.40GeneralAntillesRumor mill says N920
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00:38.41AethaerynAnd would it have a 1 Ghz processor like most top-of-the-line phones rumored this year?
00:38.50AethaerynActually, one phone's now rumored to have 1.5 Ghz
00:39.22GeneralAntillesI find OMAP3630 more likely
00:39.24GeneralAntillesBut you never know.
00:41.02ShadowJKAgain, does anyone have benchmarks snapdragon vs omap3? or even snapdragon vs a8...
00:41.13AethaerynWhy not OMAP3640?
00:41.19GeneralAntillesAethaeryn, power consumption?
00:41.22pupnikmhz wars in phones.  o noes!
00:41.37GeneralAntillesShadowJK, don't, but I'd be very interested to see.
00:41.47Aethaerynpupnik: Not mhz wars, ghz wars... keep up with the times :P
00:42.02AethaerynThey're just starting to break the 1ghz barrier.
00:42.05pupnikti should make one that does something useless at 2ghz
00:42.21Mouseyholds out for the nSeries steno pad
00:42.27AethaerynA dual core 2.x ghz one might in fact outpower my laptop
00:42.31AethaerynThat would be scary.
00:42.41AethaerynEven with only 10 min of battery life
00:43.03pupnikAethaeryn: it is wrong to look at mhz.  that is where you will waste battery
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00:43.39AethaerynI'd look at Mhz and RAM, but for some reason RAM is a lot less publicized in phones than PCs
00:44.00GeneralAntillesAethaeryn, neither really tells you very much.
00:44.01crashanddieI'd look at the speed of the storage
00:44.16GeneralAntillesAethaeryn, for instance 512MB on Android aint quite the same as 512MB elsewhere.
00:44.16crashanddieboost the NAND speed enough and you don't need RAM :P
00:44.23GeneralAntillesSince Android tends towards RAM hungriness.
00:44.24pupnikid look at the speed of the apps and the battery life
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00:44.35SpeedEvilI'd look at the touchscreen technology.
00:45.01AethaerynIdk, I guess I'm too much of a geek... the first thing I look at in a phone is the raw horsepower
00:45.06SpeedEvilMore practically - I'd really like a replacement for my toshiba Portege 3110ct.
00:45.25SpeedEvil10" screen, 8h battery life, 1.1Kg, good keyboard with trackpoint
00:45.26GeneralAntillesAethaeryn, that's stupid.
00:45.34GeneralAntillesFirst thing I look for is that it's running the right software platform.
00:45.41ShadowJKsuspects the 720 MHz version of the cpu in n900 uses more power than the 600MHz version, even when both run at 250
00:45.44SpeedEvilYou don't care about raw horsepower.
00:45.49konfoo.. and that it can make calls
00:45.52SpeedEvilUnless you're going to be running blender on it.
00:45.57GeneralAntillesA 2GHz quad-core Cortex A9 with a fuel cell doesn't help you if it's running WinMob.
00:46.09AethaerynGeneralAntilles: And if you're looking for Maemo, you get... 1 current option?
00:46.12GeneralAntillesShadowJK, 45 vs 60nm, though.
00:46.18SpeedEvilThe software can make easily a 3 order of magnitude difference in performance.
00:46.43ShadowJKoh i didnt know there was process difference
00:46.55ShadowJKhigher leakage on 45nm I'd expect tho
00:47.06SpeedEvilCompare browsers forex. microb - 10s to render - lynx - .05s
00:47.11SpeedEvil(of course...)
00:47.12sar3thSpeedEvil: does gcc count, too?
00:47.14sar3th:P
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00:47.24GeneralAntillesShadowJK, well, OMAP36x vs OMAP34x is 45 vs 60nm. Not sure about the recent revisions of OMAP35x stuff.
00:47.30GeneralAntillesThey may just be speed binned or something.
00:47.39GeneralAntillesIn which case, yeah, battery life is going to be worse.
00:47.48AethaerynDon't get me wrong, I like the concept of Maemo and it looks like a fun toy, but I'm kind of waiting for the newest version...
00:47.59SpeedEvilsar3th: teh compilr is very, very important in extracting the last 50% of performance/battery life.
00:48.12sar3thSpeedEvil: ^^
00:48.19AethaerynThe Engadget review kinda convinced me that it's a work-in-progress, so I hope it's more polished with Maemo 6
00:48.26SpeedEvilWell - performance anyway.
00:48.49SpeedEvilFor most mobiles - battery life is not so dominated by CPU in most users usecases
00:49.06ShadowJKstandby battery life is all about wakeups anyway
00:49.14SpeedEvilyes
00:49.17AethaerynAfaik, though, Maemo would probably be the best mobile platform to play on since it can basically support anything Linux can support and Linux is a developer's paradise.
00:49.27SpeedEvilwakeups are misleading.
00:49.52SpeedEvilA fast wakeup - do something - and back to sleep - on some arches can be very cheap
00:49.57SpeedEvilAnd on others very expensive
00:50.05AethaerynIs there going to be any successor to the tablet devices like the n810?
00:50.22SpeedEvilAethaeryn: the n900 pretty much is it  isn't it?
00:50.23GeneralAntillesYes, it's called N900.
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00:50.32AethaerynThe N900 is a full phone.
00:50.37AethaerynAll the phone stuff adds to the price.
00:50.41SpeedEvilNot that much.
00:50.49SpeedEvilPerhaps 20%
00:50.59GeneralAntillesMostly the price hike is thanks to more parts
00:51.02GeneralAntillesand higher quality parts.
00:51.03AethaerynIf I'm not going to use T-Mobile in the US, I don't see the point of getting a phone that only fully supports T-Mobile.
00:51.11AethaerynAnd 20% is over $100 :P
00:51.18SpeedEvilMove to somewhere better then.
00:51.26SpeedEvilClearly the US sucks for not supporting the n900.
00:51.59AethaerynIronically, somewhere better might be Mountain View, since Google pays for free wifi there. That'd be funny, using a non-Google phone on it.
00:52.31SpeedEvilIt depends what ytou use it for.
00:52.36SpeedEvilFor much use edge is OK
00:52.50SpeedEvilas you've already got 58G or so of media on the device
00:53.01AethaerynI'd be okay on edge, but more and more applications are moving toward the "cloud"
00:53.11Aethaeryni.e. streaming services to you rather than actually providing the service on the device
00:53.17SpeedEviland can dl podcasts over dsl
00:53.26SpeedEvilignores those applications.
00:53.26Aethaerynin other words, they basically assume you have internet
00:53.50AethaerynUnfortunately, you can't stop a trend. Especially when it has its own buzzword (cloud)
00:54.06SpeedEvilI was amused when someone realised how abysmally slow for some workloads amazon clouds can be.
00:54.21AethaerynAnd unfortunately, AT&T basically wants you to get an iPhone or a dumbPhone.
00:54.22SpeedEvilFor example large db accessed lots.
00:54.26AethaerynThey don't want any competition on their 3G bands.
00:54.50SpeedEvilYou can't as one device stop a trend no.
00:55.00SpeedEvilLook at how popular active-x is.
00:55.21AethaerynIt's sad, even the "Am I eligible for an upgrade?" page on AT&T is basically a giant ad for the iPhone
00:55.31AethaerynThey push it to you because they get higher profit margins
00:55.34jebbaAethaeryn: i use AT/&T in USA with n900 ok
00:56.09SpeedEvilI got lucky and have ended up with a heavuily discounted n9000. on t-mobile UK as it's cheapest
00:56.09redeemani enjoy 3g on the N900 in .dk :P
00:56.23SpeedEvil$30 for 6 mo internet at 1G/mo
00:56.49AethaerynAnyway, does Nokia have any plans on continuing its mini-tablet-with-Maemo line or have they been obsoleted by a smartphone that's smaller and a phone?
00:56.58SpeedEvilWe don't know.
00:57.12SpeedEvilThere are currently no announcements or rumors of such.
00:57.16AethaerynI think a 5-inch device that barely fits in your pocket might actually be more appealing than the N900
00:57.25SpeedEvilThere may be plans ruight now being made by naked people in saunas.
00:57.39microliththe saunas are more likely than the plans
00:58.00AethaerynNokia should release the nPad
00:58.08SpeedEvilThey have
00:59.04SpeedEvilhttp://shop.nokia.co.uk/nokia-uk/product.aspx?sku=10198003&culture=en-GB
00:59.48microliththat' just a netbook, I think he means a giant version of the tablets
00:59.58AethaerynBoo... Windows 7
01:00.18AethaerynGoogle News rumors says it eats up netbook batteries and Microsoft is downplaying it, blaming the hardware
01:00.21AethaerynOr something that
01:00.22Aethaeryn*something like that
01:00.25jebbaOMFG i think i got ofono working on fedora
01:00.36microlithzomg
01:01.07AethaerynBut yes, I'd be tempted to pay $500-$800 for a giant N900
01:01.11SpeedEvilI want a similar thing to the above - but with a trackpoint.
01:01.49jebbacan someone run this for me on maemo5/n900?   dpkg -S /sbin/phonet
01:01.54SpeedEvilAnnoyingly I already have on e - which is slightly lighter - but it's PII/300
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01:02.11tripzerojebba, do you know if handsfree works with ofono yet?
01:02.21jebbatripzero: no
01:02.32SpeedEvilphonet-utils jebba
01:02.34tripzeroi'd love to use handsfree with my n900 and my car (which runs linux)
01:02.36jebbaSpeedEvil: thz
01:02.53jebbaSpeedEvil: hmm, that looks closed  :(
01:03.04jebbagoddammit
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01:03.34jebbai was hoping to get something along the lines of a free software fone call on n900.
01:04.15tripzerohmm
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01:04.25tripzerothe n900 may not be the target for ofono
01:04.29tripzeromaybe the n900+1?
01:06.06jebbawhy?
01:06.28acidjazzsup
01:06.32acidjazzofono?
01:06.34acidjazzwhats that
01:06.42satmdwhich is a reason we love open protocols like sip
01:06.47satmd:(
01:07.06satmdhow does ofono communicate with the phone?
01:07.08jebbasatmd: ofono and SIP are  totally different.
01:07.23jebbaacidjazz: http://ofono.org/
01:07.25satmdspends some time to find out
01:07.36jebbasatmd: ofono uses phonet kernel driver
01:08.01satmdoh, I see
01:08.09satmdyeah, my sip was totally off, sorry
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02:09.27DocScrutinizerduh, >60min quiet planet
02:09.47DocScrutinizerjebba: open GSM interface? forget it
02:14.03andresDocScrutinizer: one can dream...
02:15.07DocScrutinizerI (co)created MOKO11 calypso FW. I forgot how to dream :-S
02:15.42DocScrutinizerand FR has a tty AT interface, no phonet pnatd crap
02:18.25DocScrutinizerwhen I see pnatd I guess the N900 TI modem has one of those nasty shared-mem interfaces
02:19.18crashanddieDocScrutinizer: and that sentence is exactly why you weren't hanging out with the cool kids at school.
02:19.31DocScrutinizerthe specs for those will be disclosed when we start communicating via corelated quantum
02:19.58pupnikdidnt know your background had some low level phone stuff DocScrutinizer - what was most of your work in?
02:20.04DocScrutinizercrashanddie: I *was* the cool kid :-D
02:20.19jebbaDocScrutinizer i'm not using pnatd crap
02:20.34jebbano AT interface. Using isimodem driver.
02:22.08DocScrutinizercrashanddie: though back when cool had a different meaning than today
02:22.23crashanddieDocScrutinizer: as in frigid? You didn't put out?
02:23.23DocScrutinizercrashanddie: nah, cool as in we've been the hippies
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02:25.01jebbaDocScrutinizer the kernel driver is free software and ofono is free software.  The thing that does the setup is non free.  It just runs:  /sbin/phonet -a 0x6C -i phonet0
02:25.55DocScrutinizerjebba: err, the kernel driver for talking to the modem is free?
02:26.10jebbaall n900 kernel drivers are free AFAICT.
02:26.43DocScrutinizerso what's pnatd doing then?
02:27.09jebba<PROTECTED>
02:27.42jebbapnatd is when people are trying to use the AT interface, which it also emulates. But you can just access phonet0 directly with ofono
02:27.50DocScrutinizerhmm, to tired and foul mood today to dive into that
02:28.21DocScrutinizerjebba: /dev/opono0 ??
02:28.36DocScrutinizererr
02:28.45DocScrutinizerjebba: /dev/phonet0 ??
02:28.53jebbano, with isimodem there is no /dev, since it *doesn't* act like a regular modem.
02:29.31jebbanote, ofono doesn't come with n900/maemo, its a different phone stack than what comes on the phone
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02:29.45N900evila network interface inste*d?
02:29.45DocScrutinizerI know
02:30.07jebbaN900evil: yes, there is   ifconfig phonet0, for instance
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02:30.30DocScrutinizerofono is the "middleware" stack that shouted "NIH" to FSO
02:30.30N900evilhmm
02:30.42jebbaFSO?
02:30.52DocScrutinizerfreesmartphone.org
02:30.57jebbaah.
02:31.11GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, as far as I'm aware they addressed that pretty conclusively.
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02:31.32jebbawhat does FSO use in place of ofono?
02:31.52GeneralAntilleshttp://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2009/05/20/too-many-platforms/
02:32.20DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: addressed what? FSO? I read a statement of ofono ppl like "FSO is just talking AT over dbus", which is definitely a lie
02:33.20DocScrutinizerjebba: probably fsogsmd
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02:35.42jebbacan the FSO parts above ofono interact with it?
02:36.04DocScrutinizernot (yet?)
02:36.48jebbaor even isimodem could be ported to fsogsmd
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02:37.55DocScrutinizerhttp://linuxtogo.org/~mickeyl/misc/FOSDEM2010.pdf
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02:38.27jebbadamn, big pdf ;)
02:39.05DocScrutinizeryo
02:40.40DocScrutinizerjebba: p37ff
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02:41.41jebbap37ff?
02:42.30DocScrutinizerpage 37 and following. on p46 you see fsogsmd for FSO2
02:42.53DocScrutinizerfor FSO1 it's been fso-abyss
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03:20.44mtd/win 19
03:20.48mtdoops :)
03:21.17DocScrutinizerwonders what /win might do :-)
03:22.22DocScrutinizerhmm prolly irssi switch-chan
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03:27.43AethaerynDocScrutinizer: You'll win IRC.
03:30.32DocScrutinizerI got the loser's ticket: /win: Error: unknown command
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04:15.54pupniksnybody figure out how to resolder the mini usb to n900 board?
04:17.45luke-jrpupnik: send it back to retailer for a replacement
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04:22.00b-man17hmm :(
04:22.20b-man17i hope this does not happen to me :(
04:22.57b-man17is verry careful with the usb port
04:23.56ShadowJKif what texrat says that it's not the port getting teared off the solder pads, but the solder pads getting teared off the PCB, then there's nothing left to solder the port to :/
04:24.33luke-jrb-man17: it's the AC adapter hooks IIRC
04:24.35luke-jrthat get stuck
04:24.43ShadowJKI got a DC-10 today. Its microusb plug is frighteningly tight fit in n900...
04:24.47luke-jrb-man17: workaround seems to be making the hooks weaker
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04:28.22microlithhmm
04:28.29microlithhow do you remove scratchbox and the maemo sdk?
04:31.31b-man17pulls up the sdk guide
04:32.47b-man17http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk_installation/#uninstall
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04:33.11b-man17that should help
04:33.18microlitheven with the current, non-beta sdk?
04:34.03b-man17it should work - the setup is the same
04:39.31b-man17luke-jr: btw i'm experimenting with an omap3 optimized port of gentoo on my n900 :)
04:39.42luke-jr...
04:39.59b-man17neuvoo
04:40.08b-man17?
04:40.55b-man17luke-jr: ?
04:41.10crashanddieGeneralAntilles: ping
04:41.19luke-jrb-man17: ?
04:41.27b-man17lol
04:41.33luke-jrb-man17: btw, you're not in #gentoo-embedded :P
04:41.49b-man17i know :P
04:42.13crashanddieluke-jr: you're not a moderator of this channel
04:42.46luke-jrcrashanddie: huh?
04:43.28crashanddieluke-jr: don't tell people off because they talk about something not specific to maemo, but still around a maemo-based device
04:43.44luke-jr... i was just suggesting a channel to him -.-
04:43.47crashanddieluke-jr: plus, the channel is dead as ever... 20 lines of speach in the past hour ^^
04:43.58crashanddiewe might as well invite bots to keep it alive :P
04:44.04luke-jroh do it
04:44.04GeneralAntillescrashanddie, pong?
04:44.12luke-jrcrashanddie: invite Miyu, Little_Death, and toobparts
04:44.14luke-jrthey're fun
04:46.28luke-jrcrashanddie: I wasn't saying "you shouldn't be saying that here", but rather "oh, then you might be interested in that channel, too"
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05:09.31ShadowJKhm, maemo-mplayer needs a sane default conf file
05:09.41ShadowJKao=pulse in it atleast
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05:10.27villagerwasn't that slower?
05:10.49ShadowJKYeah but using alsa direct and you block everything else that'd want to use audio
05:10.53ShadowJKlike, uh, phone
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06:03.46LuciusMarewow
06:04.05LuciusMaremy alarm just went off
06:04.12LuciusMareand i couldnt snooze it
06:04.34LuciusMarethe touchscreen was not reacting, i had to muffle it
06:06.01Proteousheh
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06:06.55LuciusMareit was vibrating on touch, but didnt do anything
06:07.01Proteousstrange
06:07.05Proteoushow did you kill it?
06:07.13LuciusMarei waited a minute
06:07.21Proteousheh
06:07.51LuciusMareit stopped ringing, but the dialog was still there, not reacting
06:09.56GeneralAntillesLuciusMare, you can snooze by turning it over.
06:10.16Proteousthrowing it against the wall sometimes works too, you gotta give it some backspin though
06:11.31LuciusMareoh.
06:12.16LuciusMareand, when it magically started working there was this dialog "turn the offline mode off?"
06:12.19tigertmorning!
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06:17.47LuciusMareGeneralAntilles: that's a nice feature
06:21.31LuciusMarebut i felt silly when muffling a phone with a pillow
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06:35.47RST38hmoorning tigert
06:36.48tigertmorning
06:36.57tigertback to work :)
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06:50.52JaffaMorning, all
06:52.33timeless_mbpis playing games w/ mercurail
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06:56.12Passeliwhat video formats are hardware accelerated in N900 ?
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07:26.08konttoriPasseli: everything that is on by default on the device.
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07:26.47konttorithey have different quality in layers between  gst and dsp, but they all all hw accelerated.
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07:46.44WZhanganyone with N800 @ Diablo here? need the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list - would be nice if someone could pastebin it (can be with custom sources ot standard, just working) :D
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08:10.45cpasjustecould someone "light" me on the online builder ? what does he do ? does it just do a "make && make install", or does it ran configure
08:13.02Stskeepsit runs a dpkg-buildpackage, within sbdmock/scratchbox
08:13.29cpasjustebut what dpkg-buildpackage does ?
08:13.44Stskeepsit builds a debian source packages into one or more binary packages
08:13.46cpasjustei mean i really dont know if i have to pass the configure switch somewhere
08:14.10Stskeepsgo read up on debian packaging :)
08:14.20cpasjustei'm doing that since 2 days now
08:14.49cpasjustei'm lazy :)
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08:16.10cpasjusteall this crap is way to complicated
08:16.16cpasjusteto release something
08:16.30Stskeepsit is worth it
08:16.46cpasjusteand tje maemo wiki (building package) is way not enough explaned
08:17.15Stskeepsyou need to read 'make package' before 'build package'
08:17.41cpasjustewell i did read the whole maemo crappy documentation
08:18.01cpasjuste"http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing"
08:18.28cpasjustethis is enough for a normal project
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08:18.54cpasjustebut this answer nothing about build configuration etc
08:18.55Stskeeps"Creating Debian packages"
08:19.14Stskeepsif you look at debian/rules, there's a call for configure possible i think
08:22.39ifreqcpasjuste: google:  maemo jebba package
08:22.59cpasjusteyeah i did read that too
08:23.15ifreqthats what ive been using lately. simplified and works ok ++
08:24.02cpasjustei'll re-read and re-trry :)
08:24.08cpasjusteok thanks
08:25.14cpasjustelets try
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08:38.18cpasjusteifreq, this still don't explain how i pass options to the configuration
08:38.33cpasjustei mean, for the armel build, i need to pass --enable-n900
08:38.51cpasjustejebba say :
08:38.52cpasjuste# Compile!
08:38.52ifreqoh okay n900 is some special option? :)
08:38.52cpasjustedpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc
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08:39.19cpasjusteyeah it's a configuration option i added to wesnoth for setting special n900 rules/defines
08:39.38cpasjusteelse the thing is clear
08:39.45cpasjustethe jebba explanations
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08:40.24cpasjustewell
08:40.27adeusthe rules file build opts
08:40.31adeus+contains
08:41.27cpasjusteyeah but then it wont build on i586
08:41.30cpasjustex86
08:41.47cpasjusteif i set the configuration option in the rules file ?
08:42.05cpasjustei need to determine there on which host we are then pass (or not pass) the configuration option ?
08:42.39cpasjustewell for now i'll go the hackish way
08:43.09cpasjustei will enable my "--enable-n900" in my configuration file as soon as it detect an armel host
08:43.19cpasjusteseems easier .. :)
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08:51.04LantiziaLo I've enabled usb networking on my N900 as per the wiki but the expect new "unknown device" doesn't show up on windows for me to give it drivers
08:51.07Lantiziaany ideas?
08:51.12Lantizia*expected
08:51.54Lantiziagot this in my interfaces file... http://pastebin.com/m67a92639
08:52.13Lantiziaand usb-network-modules is installed and have restarted the n900 after
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08:54.31hrwmorning
08:57.02konttorimorning
08:57.59Lantiziaah I didn't have it in pc suite mode to do the usb networking - so now I've got 4 devices... which do I apply my usb networking driver on?
08:58.23LantiziaNokia USB Generic / OBEX / OBEX / Phone Parent
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09:12.06crashanddieebay is going nuts
09:12.14crashanddieI purchased 3 separate items, all from the same vendor
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09:12.30crashanddie1 was charged in pounds, the other in euros, and a last one in australian dollars...
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09:12.49crashanddieAnd the website interface randomly shows messages in spanish, french or english
09:13.25adeusmaybe it calculated the way you loose the most in currency exchanges :)
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09:17.30crashanddieadeus: currencies aren't loose
09:17.49mgedminthey've been tightened around the turn of the century
09:18.27hrwcurrency exchange rates matters
09:18.46hrwUSD->PLN in states is lower then USD->PLN in Poland
09:19.30fralsah, finally less in -devel <3
09:20.04adeus-o
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09:49.07gouverneurceh900: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8965
09:49.10povbotBug 8965: Battery discharges with wall-charger connected
09:49.17gouverneurguten morgen
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09:50.41MaikBHello Maemo world
09:51.35MaikBDo you have some insight on when the N900 gets delivered in germany, other than to amazon?
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09:53.25meceHi, perhaps some of the people who know anything about ssh keys this and that could help sio2interactive out with this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=520610&postcount=108
09:54.31adeusincorrect permissions, extra spaces
09:56.29adeusalthough I think newer openssh versions give warnings about permissions
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09:57.42adeusI don't know about garage specifically, but I've seen mysterious key erros when the public keys have been copied incorrectly
09:57.56adeusi.e. an extra space space in the end for example
09:59.51meceadeus, should the public key include "ssh-rsa " at the beginning?
10:00.43adeusno
10:00.52adeusor wait
10:00.55meceok so it's just the jibberish.. or?
10:00.58adeusI'll look
10:01.02mecethanks
10:01.43mecewhen I cat id_res.pub I get "ssh-rsa <the key gibberish> mece@guybrush"
10:01.56adeusthe whole thing
10:02.02adeusinto gitorious at least
10:02.06meceok.
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10:10.13adeusalso, it takes a while after the key upload
10:10.21adeusbefore it is available
10:14.59hrwis there vala compiler in autobuilder?
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10:15.51X-Fadehrw: it is in extras-devel
10:16.35hrwthx
10:16.39timeless_mbpX-Fade: is there a way for me to send something to the autobuilder for it to privately build but not post?
10:16.45timeless_mbpi just want to know if it's happy
10:16.51timeless_mbpi don't really want it to go anywhere
10:17.03X-Fadetimeless_mbp: No, not atm.
10:17.59timeless_mbpok
10:18.01timeless_mbpfrowns
10:18.11timeless_mbpcould someone here w/ 51-1 check some stuff for me?
10:19.15fragmentsure
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10:21.25timeless_mbpdpkg -l osso-icons-default libcityinfo0-0
10:21.43timeless_mbpX-Fade: can i do this:
10:22.08timeless_mbpDepends: osso-icons-default (> 0.4) || (foo),
10:22.21timeless_mbp<PROTECTED>
10:22.26hrwii  libcityinfo0-0                   0.5.9-1+0m5                      Cities information library.
10:22.29hrwii  osso-icons-default               2.4.1+0m5                        OSSO UI icons
10:22.32timeless_mbpoops, that first line shouldn't have ()s around foo
10:24.13X-Fadetimeless_mbp: yes, you should.
10:24.21timeless_mbpshould?
10:24.43timeless_mbp+ osso-icons-default (>= 2.4.2) || clock-map-fix (>= 0.1-4),
10:24.43timeless_mbp+ libcityinfo0-0 (>= 0.5.10) || clock-map-fix (>= 0.1-4),
10:25.09timeless_mbpgoes to look for some useful samples
10:25.15timeless_mbpsuspects one only needs a single pipe
10:28.14pupnikthat's what _she_ said  (har har)
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10:31.06pupnikthat does simplify the question!
10:31.26viszshakespear's problem
10:31.42pupnikhe should have met boole
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10:34.59Markus23is the game "Go" available for n900?
10:35.28Markus23dont know how to search for the game "go"
10:35.36Markus23it finds anything but not the game
10:35.59Markus23strange that google called a programming language so too, it won't be googleable :-)
10:36.55pupnikmarkus it might be in the bsdgames collection
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10:38.16pupnikhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/10/hackers-shut-down-austral_n_457071.html   Hackers fire a sh*tstorm of porn at .au government.
10:38.33Markus23pupnik: thx, in which repo are the bsdgames collection?
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10:38.51threshmmh, my scratchbox suddenly does not have network working
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10:39.10threshalthough it works from the debian machine that has scratchbox installed
10:39.29pupniksearch for go-moku, will give metter results
10:39.50RST38hasks the Tentacled One to punish Autoconf authors, then eat Xorg people for desert.
10:39.53cpasjustetresh, try updating your dns server : "nano /etc/resolv.conf" inside scratchbox, and "nano /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf" outside scratchbox
10:39.58cpasjustethresh
10:40.16RST38hFucking bastards, can't come up with a working makefile =(
10:40.40RST38hAnd autoconf makes it possible for them
10:41.22viszyuck, nano
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10:43.39pupnikMarkus23: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnomoku/ could be ported
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10:46.09threshcpasjuste: of course i did
10:46.25cpasjusteyou did update both ?
10:46.34threshah duh
10:46.39threshit is not the same from the outside
10:46.42threshthank you
10:46.43cpasjusteyep
10:47.04threshnice, works
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10:50.48timeless_mbpheh
10:50.58timeless_mbpthe error i get when doing a search is just a blank info banner
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10:54.50mtdif anyone's feeling generous, I'd like to grab a cpu & memory usage graph of my n900 for a few days, along with a ps-list.  Is there any way to do this that people have already come up with?
10:55.08mtdif not, I'll just run vmstat + ps or something silly like that.
10:55.29mgedminsounds almost like bootchart, except that it doesn't chart memory
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10:57.00mtd.oo( I saw some bug report where the guy had an rrdtool graph of his n900's battery usage - should ask him)
10:57.24mgedminbattery usage? seriously?
10:57.31mgedminI thought there was no way to get that info
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10:57.52mgedminactually, I'm obviously wrong, since the battery applet displays something
10:57.58mgedminmust've been thinking about estimates
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11:01.33LuciusMareNo dropbox for maemo?
11:01.42Stskeepsclosed source binary
11:01.49Stskeepsnot for armel
11:02.10LuciusMarei know
11:02.20Stskeepsgo pester them for it :)
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11:02.21LuciusMarei meant, not compiled for arm yet
11:02.26mtdmgedmin: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8004
11:02.28povbotBug 8004: PR1.1 has introduced a battery drain bug (not wifi related)
11:02.33mtdmgedmin: https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=2097
11:02.44LuciusMarethey dont stay at freenode, right?
11:03.05mgedminit should be possible to port the Ubuntu One client to maemo
11:03.20mgedminopen-source client, closed-source server; afaiu it's essentially the same thing as dropbox
11:03.23mtdemre saglam - you here?
11:03.39mgedminsilly name, though -- nothing Ubuntu related in it, other than the company who develops it
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11:04.06cityLightshi all, how can I tell how is in-charge of a package?
11:04.22mgedmincityLights, in theory, apt-cache show packagename will show you that in the Maintainer field
11:04.36mgedminin practice, people upload other people's packages to extras and forget to put themselves as the maintainer
11:05.03mgedminlast entry in debian/changelog can be very useful
11:05.18mgedminshame that docpurge makes it impossible to see the changelogs of installed packages
11:05.21cityLightsok, I just upgraded the lighttp http server and found a simple bug
11:05.50mgedminalso, there's the bugtracker field that's supposed to be mandatory
11:06.09mgedminin the same package metadata shown by apt-cache show
11:06.32LuciusMareOr there could be a script using the web interface (using html parser)
11:07.14mgedminthere is, actually, I think
11:07.17mgedminon maemo.org
11:07.31mgedminhttp://maemo.org/packages/
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11:08.39cityLightsthnkas
11:09.05timeless_mbpoh the irony
11:09.12timeless_mbpi just called a nokia symbian guy
11:09.19timeless_mbphe answered from his iPhone
11:09.31timeless_mbpand said he couldn't receive mms/vcards
11:09.36Stskeepsthe least people can do is to eat their own dogfood
11:09.36Stskeeps:P
11:09.58timeless_mbpi got his name by using my n900 to sip call another nokian in England
11:10.04cityLightslooks as Rob Williams is the maintainer of this package lighttpd
11:10.08cityLightsright?
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11:10.13lardmanmorning
11:10.23timeless_mbpand used my n900 to look up both of their contact cards
11:10.26cityLightslardman? the one since OE?
11:10.33timeless_mbpStskeeps: yeah seriously...
11:10.34lardmanindeed
11:11.30cityLightsok, as I am new to contrib, how can I tell the maintainer to fix the /etc/init.d file?
11:11.35cityLightsshould I email him?
11:11.39lardmanyep
11:11.58lardmanpreferably with a patch and explanation
11:12.01lardmanetc
11:12.38timeless_mbpcloses the w7 vm and opens mer
11:12.41timeless_mbpStskeeps: speaking of mer
11:12.45timeless_mbpwhat's the latest version?
11:12.46lardmanhmm, interesting that bug 8004, I'm seeing very variable battery drain
11:12.48povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8004 PR1.1 has introduced a battery drain bug (not wifi related)
11:12.48cityLightswhen I click the link in maemo I get from here: http://maemo.org/packages/view/lighttpd/
11:13.00cityLightsto here: http://maemo.org/profile/view/jolouis/
11:13.05cityLightsbut his email is missing
11:13.21lardmanshould be in the control file
11:13.24cityLightsI can see it in the apt-cache show lighttpd
11:13.27lardmanor has it not been updated?
11:13.30timeless_mbpStskeeps: oh... one thing
11:13.33timeless_mbphttps://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.16
11:13.39timeless_mbpcan you please add a RELEASED ON DATE
11:13.40cityLightsMaintainer: Rob Williams <rob@naturalexplorations.ca>
11:13.41timeless_mbpto each release?
11:13.50lardmanyou can also comment on the packages page and he should receive that
11:13.55timeless_mbpStskeeps: without it, it's incredibly hard to figure out when a release was interesting :(
11:14.03lcukhey simon \o
11:14.06Stskeepstimeless_mbp: our releases are never interesting :P
11:14.08lardmanhi gary
11:14.18timeless_mbpStskeeps: "when it wasn't vaporware"?
11:14.19Stskeepstimeless_mbp: current URL for your string set btw?
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11:14.40cityLightslardman: thanks
11:14.59lardmannp
11:16.23cityLightsis maemo.org down ?
11:16.36X-FadecityLights: no?
11:16.57cityLights<PROTECTED>
11:17.20X-FadecityLights: That is not down :)
11:17.53X-FadeThat is just an error message about that package?
11:18.30cityLightslardman: I signed in and I dont see where I can comment on the package page
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11:19.50LudiaOk
11:19.50pupnikuae4all and picodrive need finishing-up
11:19.53Ludia#Sofiq
11:19.59Ludiachannel Sofiq
11:20.03Ludia#sOFIQ
11:20.04Ludia;]
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11:20.16Stskeepsdidn't channel spamming go out of fashion in the 90s?
11:20.26lardmancityLights: hmm, let me have a look
11:20.34cityLightsthanks mate
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11:21.26suihkulokkiI just joined to remind about free thursday in helsinki but clearly this is the wrong moment :P
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11:21.28lardmancityLights: from here http://maemo.org/packages/view/lighttpd/ click on the relevant release
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11:21.47lardmane.g. Fremantle Extras-testing free armel
11:21.55cityLightsthanks
11:21.56lardmanthen you can comment on the page that it goes to
11:21.59pupnikmedia player should display full thumbnail list on startup, not display a few then add them slowly while re-sorting
11:22.10X-Fadelardman: He just made a typo in the url.
11:22.20lardmanX-Fade: ah ok
11:22.26lardmanand hi :)
11:22.38X-Fadelardman: lighttp_s_d ;)
11:22.51X-Fadeand hi too ;)
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11:23.38pillar_this maemo6 security stuff sounds like symbian capabilities, don't like them at all. I'll probably run the device in open mode and ignore drm stuff if at all possible
11:23.55Stskeepsand you'll be free too
11:24.07hrwbug #8989 - someone got it?
11:24.08Stskeepsand able to use the chip for your own gain, heh
11:24.09Stskeeps:P
11:24.09povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8989 Facebook contact ID is used as phone number in messages
11:24.09X-Fadepillar_: If you want to run experimental stuff, that is your best bet it seems, yes.
11:24.25X-Fadepillar_: Although in open mode you might have capabilities too?
11:24.45pillar_X-Fade: it seems so, but you are able to make your own security policies
11:24.50X-Fadeyes.
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11:26.12timeless_mbphrw: is facebook a nokia supported thing?
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11:26.36timeless_mbpoh!
11:26.38timeless_mbpgets it
11:26.40timeless_mbpyeah um
11:26.46timeless_mbpcaller id works that way :)
11:26.53X-Fadepillar_: But it all depends on which capabilities are set and how strict they are.
11:27.02timeless_mbpcaller id matches on the last 7 or 8 numbers
11:27.12pillar_X-Fade: yeah
11:27.12hrwtimeless_mbp: but should check phone fields only
11:27.12timeless_mbpbecause not all providers send more numbers
11:27.14timeless_mbpso it has to
11:27.31suihkulokki1. Add Facebook contact for Joe - it will be listed as number
11:27.52timeless_mbpsuihkulokki: i wanted to pong ping poke or kick you
11:27.55timeless_mbpbut i don't remember why :)
11:28.12timeless_mbpponders
11:28.19pillar_I don't get  how they now say that location needs to be that kind of restricted capability - apps can abuse it and so on - that's how it is with maemo5. Haven't noticed too much abuse
11:28.22timeless_mbpmy hg repo is ~20mb as a bundle
11:28.34suihkulokkihrw: that is confusing, what kind of contact field did it add? did you use the telepathy-haze thingy or the yesterday announced facebook jabber server?
11:29.01suihkulokkitimeless_mbp: I'm sure you'll poke again if was important :)
11:29.19timeless_mbpwhat were we talking about yesterday? :)
11:29.20hrwsuihkulokki: check 'extra software installed' field - I am using Facebook from haze plugin
11:29.23timeless_mbpooh, 24mb
11:30.09X-Fadepillar_: Depends on how you define privacy I guess.
11:30.15hrwsuihkulokki: added note
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11:30.35X-Fadepillar_: If maemo.org gets the location capability, then there is nothing to worry about for instance.
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11:30.48pillar_X-Fade: yeah
11:31.16pillar_Also having to reboot to switch modes is a pain..
11:31.20X-Fadepillar_: And be assured that I'm already on that case ;)
11:31.32pillar_X-Fade: good to hear!
11:31.53satmdreports ludia
11:32.50X-Fadepillar_: I don't know if you really want to switch modes.
11:32.56X-Fadepillar_: More than once at least.
11:34.37pillar_X-Fade: well, as much as I would like to think I won't need any of the DRM'd stuff, the reality most likely will be that I will get something under drm and then switching is needed
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11:34.56pillar_.. since I don't want to give up all the open stuff just for that
11:34.59hrwsuihkulokki: even added screenshots
11:35.26X-Fadepillar_: We'll need to see how that is implemented, not much is known about that.
11:35.42dnearyOooh
11:35.45cpasjusteso, do i really need a configuration file to upload to autobuilder ?
11:35.47dnearybug #8990 just created
11:35.49povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8990 Standard MediaWiki tables don't get any CSS styles without "wikitable" attribute
11:35.50cpasjustefor the data ..
11:35.54dneary10 away from the turnover...
11:35.55pillar_X-Fade: about what? the switching?
11:36.02dnearyX-Fade, Hi there
11:36.20dnearyAre the changes that were made to the standard Mediawiki install all in version control somewhere?
11:36.54dnearyOr is the system install of mediawiki really the unchanged distro version?
11:36.56X-Fadedneary: I think they are in a garage project, but I didn't do them.
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11:37.16dnearyThere are some strange things I can't explain (re. "You have new messages" bug w/ User_talk pages)
11:37.21suihkulokkihrw: right. now it is less confusing.
11:37.30dnearyThere is some stuff in midgard2maemo
11:37.36dnearyBut not everything, I think
11:38.00dnearyAt least, I have not been able to reproduce MaemoWiki bugs using a base mediawiki + midgard2maemo
11:38.14dnearywho's the best person for that topic? Ferenc?
11:38.48X-Fadedneary: Just search for wiki on garage?
11:39.10dnearyI mean, do you know who made any changes to mediawiki that were done?
11:39.36dnearyI *have* the Maemo2009 style for the mediawiki - it's in maemo2midgard
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11:39.39X-Fadedneary: The only change is the auth module.
11:39.53dnearyI don't see why there'd be two different places where we'd put stuff
11:39.54X-Fadedneary: Afaik. And ferenc did that one.
11:40.00dnearyOK
11:40.09dnearyAnd the actual roll-out & install, that was you?
11:40.19dnearyI mean, you know where it's deployed?
11:40.19X-FadeNo, Ferenc.
11:40.24dnearyOK
11:40.29dnearyIs he still away this week?
11:40.41X-FadeYes, ofcourse we have a separate vm for that and I have full access.
11:41.21X-Fadedneary: What do you want to do btw?
11:41.31hrwsuihkulokki: and now have to wait for maemo7 to get fix
11:41.39dnearyI want to make sure that bug #8791 gets fixed
11:41.40povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8791 After editing User_talk: page, two "You have new messages (last change)." banners are on each wiki page.
11:42.21bilboed-pianyone knows the proper command to format the micro sd card from the device ?
11:42.23dnearyAnd I want to understand how the wiki is deployed, what changes we've made, and document all that so that people can fix similar bugs in the future without having to annoy you or Ferenc
11:42.23X-Fadedneary: That is just a style issue.
11:42.24bilboed-pi(if possible at all)
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11:42.49doubleukaybilboed-pi: sfdisk /dev/mmcblk1
11:43.02doubleukaythen mkfs.$fstype
11:43.03dnearyNot just a style issue, because there is content generated in the html which depends on a variable which should be unset when you arrive in the user_talk page
11:43.29X-Fadedneary: Ah, well then it should be an upstream bug already?
11:43.31dnearyAnd if we're messing with things like that in the theme & style, then there are serious issues to fix
11:43.41dnearyNo - upstream doesn't have the same problem
11:43.48dnearyThus, I'd like to investigate
11:43.51doubleukaybilboed-pi: if you format the first partition not as vfat, you'll get an annoying (but harmless) error message each time you boot or insert the card
11:44.06dnearyAnd as I said, I haven't been able to reproduce a Maemo wiki with upstream + midgard2maemo
11:44.11X-Fadedneary: Well we use upstream + our styles :)
11:44.17suihkulokkihrw: well at least with that bugreport ;) people will only see "facebook" and "haze acoounts" and assume it is 3rd party plugin issue...
11:44.20dnearySo I'd like to have a look at what's installed & deployed
11:44.24dnearyWithout changing it
11:44.28dnearyOf course
11:44.38dnearySeems reasonable to me
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11:45.13hrwsuihkulokki: suggest better naming then?
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11:45.16X-Fadedneary: ii  mediawiki                         1:1.12.0-2lenny3           website engine for collaborative work
11:45.20X-Fadeii  mediawiki-extensions              1.4                        set of extensions for MediaWiki
11:45.23X-Fadeii  mediawiki-math                    1:1.12.0-2lenny3           math rendering plugin for MediaWiki
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11:46.22cityLightscan anyone pls explain why google calender doesnt sync?
11:46.38suihkulokkimaybe "number -> name decoding for sms should only be decoded from sms fields of contacts"
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11:46.44dnearyThanks
11:46.50dnearyDo you know what host they're on?
11:47.02X-Fadedneary: wiki
11:47.17X-Fadedneary: Obviously :)
11:47.29MohammadAGis pairing with a blank passkey allowed on the n900?
11:47.30dnearyI assumed that was a vhost
11:47.32wazdheya all
11:47.42ifreqheya wazd
11:47.47X-Fadedneary: No, all services are separate vms now.
11:47.49suihkulokkialternative fix is the "document it", eg tell IM plugin writers not store account id's as plain numbers
11:47.49dnearyStylesheets come from static though, right?
11:47.56dnearyAnd are deployed from midgard2maemo?
11:48.17cityLightsI was about to ask this!
11:48.24X-Fadedneary: View source.
11:48.25cityLightsdneary: cool
11:48.26bilboed-pidoubleukay, ... I formatted the card as vfat... but it complains it's not supported
11:49.18dnearyX-Fade, Doesn't answer the second question (how they get there) but that's OK. Thanks
11:49.20X-Fadedneary: There you see that the default styling is maemo.org and a few wiki specific ones in the style and ones you can edit in the wiki.
11:49.28hrwsuihkulokki: good idea
11:50.14doubleukaybilboed-pi: hm ok. what's the exact error message?
11:50.27hrwsuihkulokki: "number -> name decoding for sms should only be decoded from phone number fields of contacts" is much nicer
11:50.40X-Fadedneary: But basically everything lives in maemo2midgard for styling and needs to be deployed by pinging an admin.
11:51.07bilboed-pidoubleukay, Memory card corrupted
11:51.24dnearyX-Fade, So it's an svn up somewhere on wiki?
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11:51.31RST38hX-Fade: BTW, maemo.org started losing logins again. Have to relogin every hour or so
11:51.52doubleukaybilboed-pi: hmm.. not sure if i can help you there
11:51.59X-Fadedneary: for the wiki style part, yes. Static obviously needs an update on static.
11:51.59doubleukayperhaps put it into a desktop and format it?
11:52.34X-FadeRST38h: Looking into it. Sessions seem to be very short.
11:55.45amigadavelcuk: are http://wiki.maemo.org/Liqbase_library_overview and http://wiki.maemo.org/Liqbase still relevant?
11:55.49amigadavethey look out of date
11:56.53pillar_is it possible to share many photos at the same time or just one by one? over service (facebook for example) ?
11:58.43adeusis
11:58.43lcukamigadave, yes, but do me a favour, just send me a reminder mail about the pages to liquid@gmail.com  the information is correct in them it just needs refreshing
11:59.00adeuspillar_, in the icon view
11:59.17amigadavelcuk: cool, thanks :)
11:59.48pillar_adeus: hmm, where is that
12:00.07adeusthe icon view?
12:01.04lcukamigadave, you know what would be better
12:01.08adeusor thumbnail view maybe a better term
12:01.14pillar_adeus: oh ok
12:01.16lcukfile bugs against them - theres liqbase components now
12:01.19adeusthere click "all images"
12:01.22lcukbugs.maemo.org
12:01.32adeusthere's an share option
12:01.37adeus-n
12:01.46amigadavelcuk: that does sound better, will do
12:01.50pillar_adeus: nice that works
12:02.01lcuknods
12:02.14murraycGot some echo there.
12:02.19murraycAh, wrong channel.
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12:03.45pillar_adeus: that doesn't seem to let me define title and description though
12:04.07Gadgetoid_mbpIs anyone else finding push gmail excruciatingly slow on the N900?
12:04.33Gadgetoid_mbpI should say "delayed" I suppose, emails seem to hit my phone long after they hit my inbox
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12:07.51adeuspillar_, well then you're probably stuck back with the individual send..
12:07.57adeusor set them on the other side
12:08.36Gadgetoid_mbpShucks, it's not even push! that might be why
12:08.42pillar_adeus: ok, just wanted to make sure it's not just me, thanks
12:10.14adeuseasier on the comp anyway
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12:11.13bilboed-pimust not freak out at always seeing "Memory card corrupted"
12:12.35pupnik... maybe we can take the voice recorder and add tracks.  monitor existing tracks with headphones
12:13.04cehtehbilboed-pi: eeks
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12:13.16DocScrutinizerpupnik: see http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/n810_disassembly/snc00298_jpg.jpeg.html  maybe it helps. Probably you need hot air reflow to esolder the micro-USB if it s same type as on N810. OTOH watch the powerjack receptacle same picture. It's spring contacted. Maybe they used same technics for usb on N900
12:13.33cehtehset the commit interval to 600 and laptop_mode to 3600 ... less writes to the mmc
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12:15.10pupnikDocScrutinizer: i dont have the tools to dissect nokias n900.  will ujse external charger for now
12:15.38pupnikexternal universal charger is a great tool for all devices
12:16.17cehtehgrinded the hooks from the power supply connector down .. now its much easier to insert/remove
12:16.19DocScrutinizerespecially for those that don'T boot on flat bat, and don't charge flat bat without booting ;-P
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12:16.55pupniksomeone needs to make micro usb cables with flexible leads and no lever arm
12:17.02pupnik!!!
12:17.08DocScrutinizer(talking bout OM devices here)
12:17.18ruskiehaven't seen any third party microusb cables around here yet
12:17.23DocScrutinizerpupnik: ack
12:17.46pupniki searched the net ruskie - no results
12:18.08pupnikjust many with regular length stiff lever arms
12:18.55ruskieI tend to quickly but gently unplug the microusb
12:19.03adeusI have a 3rd party cable at home
12:19.09DocScrutinizerobviously the cradle approach has advantages
12:19.31cehtehyeah .. some external charging contacts would be nice ..
12:19.39ruskieeasy to do.. insert fingernails+fingers between the lever arm and the n900... squeeze and pull evenly
12:20.00X-Fadecehteh: wireless would be even better :)
12:20.14cehtehput it into the microwave oven :)
12:20.26X-Fadecehteh: Works for my toothbrush for 15 years already or so.
12:20.39RST38hThe best thing would be nothaving to charge at all
12:20.58DocScrutinizercheck your toothbrush for volume of component!
12:21.03X-FadeRST38h: Portable nuke :)
12:21.03RST38hnucular bateris
12:21.04cehtehruskie: with grinded down connector it feels much better now, at least for the charger, i dont want the usb data cable to slip accidentally out
12:21.19ruskieI use either one
12:21.20cehtehbut even the charger didnt slipped out yet
12:21.46cehtehRST38h: i dont want plutonium near my balls
12:22.03ruskiedon't think that would provide enough power really
12:22.28cehtehwaht?
12:23.11cehtehhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator  see 2nd pic
12:24.03tybollttimeless?
12:24.25lopzhi ;I
12:24.55DocScrutinizerthe gloving pill?
12:25.07DocScrutinizerglowing even
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12:25.27siriusnovathe N900 needs a nuclear battery
12:25.28siriusnova!
12:25.38siriusnovaany new interesting apps for my N900 :D
12:25.55siriusnova?
12:26.05X-Fade"A kilogram of pure 210Po in the form of a cube would be about 48 mm (about 2 inches) on a side and emit about 140kW."
12:26.16ruskiecehteh, ~10% efficiency... and reduced to the size that would fit the N900... == not enough power to run it :)
12:26.16DocScrutinizeryeah, glowing pellet. Somebody pointed to that a few weeks ago :-D
12:26.17X-FadeMore than enough ;)
12:26.58RST38hcehteh: why plutonium?
12:27.16cehtehruskie: well instead 238Pu you can use 210Po ... that provides way eough power: P
12:27.20satmdgets a hampster run in a wheel
12:27.20tybolltruskie: You're near tjernobyl, just go there, dip N900 in water and it will be always on device!
12:27.29RST38hcehteh: You probably want an alpha-source, well sealed
12:27.33DocScrutinizerwonders how TF they build those nuclear detonators o.O
12:27.37ruskietybollt, where the f do you consider my geolocation to be at?
12:27.48cehtehRST38h: 238Pu is a alpha source
12:27.50ruskietybollt, you are most likely closer then me
12:27.50Stskeepstybollt: hence explaining the urban legend of the n800 dipped into a lake and it kept on playing music
12:27.51cehteh(iirc)
12:27.52tybolltruskie: no idea, I judged from the nick... :)
12:27.58cehtehits not the weapon stuff
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12:28.06RST38hcehteh: ok, ok, a *sane* alpha-source :)
12:28.13RST38hcehteh: tritium, etc
12:28.27tybolltStskeeps: >:)
12:28.32cehtehpolonium .. but uhm :)
12:28.36RST38hPu is just way too crazy piece of chemistry
12:28.38tybolltStskeeps: I bet all the N800-users tried that too? :)
12:28.45siriusnovaN900 needs moar apps
12:28.46siriusnova:(
12:28.53siriusnovawhy is DrSnoSnes still in -devel ?
12:28.54glassbut you can get polonium for free if you play your cards "right"
12:28.55RST38hsirius: write one.
12:28.56tybolltMOAR!
12:29.01siriusnovait should be in testing
12:29.07tybolltyeah
12:29.09ruskiesiriusnova, start coding ;)
12:29.10siriusnova"drsnoksnes"
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12:29.18cehtehA kilogram of pure 210Po in the form of a cube would be about 48 mm (about 2 inches) on a side and emit about 140kW.
12:29.18siriusnovawhy is it in still in -devel
12:29.21ruskieis still waiting for Free Software emus
12:29.22tybolltin SOVIET RUSSIA ... you get plenty oif polonium free :)
12:29.28RST38hglass: Same for americium
12:30.26RST38htybollt: http://www.gradremstroy.ru/news/ostorozhno-radiaciya-vokrug-nas.html
12:30.30RST38hHere. FEED.
12:31.30RST38his actually going to give this URL to every idiot who mentions getting radioactive sources
12:31.41Stskeepsscary, facebook xmpp actually is nice
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12:32.25cehtehwhat happend to this micro gas turbines which should power phones and laptops by now?
12:32.32RST38htoo noisy
12:34.43dazofiled a bug report to facebook xmpp ... for not supporting SSL :-P
12:35.02Stskeepswhy bother thinking facebook has privacy :P
12:35.30dazoStskeeps:  not about privacy ... but to protect my login password
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12:35.53dazodon't like the idea of sending username and password in clear text over the Internet
12:36.47tybolltRST38h: Na z'dorovje tovarish!
12:37.21cehtehRST38h: there where some developement smaller than a matchbox, i doubt that these are loud
12:37.52RST38hcehteh: All were loud last time I heard of them
12:37.59smaugtimeless_mbp: do you happen to know if someone is actually going to fix the email client?
12:38.01suihkulokkiwould like a matchbox-sized nuclear reactor
12:38.02RST38hcehteh: apparently, as they get smaller, pitch rises :)
12:38.06tybolltdazo: xmpp can/should be encrypted... is facebook version not
12:38.10timeless_mbpsmaug: which part of it?
12:38.22smaugthe slowness part
12:38.25dazotybollt:  exactly my point
12:38.29timeless_mbpsmaug: the mail client in a future version should stop auto collecting addresses
12:38.30cehtehyes prolly above hearable rage in ultrasound for the small ones
12:38.40ruskielol...
12:38.44RST38hMore portable cancer makers here: http://blogs.mail.ru/mail/klerik2/6482C66199726A0D.html
12:38.46timeless_mbpsmaug: what mail server are you using it w/ ?
12:38.56timeless_mbpi use it w/ MfE and a small window
12:38.57amigadavedazo, tybollt: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.php/Integrating_with_Facebook_Chat says that DIGEST-MD5 is used
12:38.59ruskiejust give us an option to actually be able to select what app is used for what
12:39.02timeless_mbpwhich makes it quite tolerable
12:39.05smaugwell, I need imap too
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12:39.39ruskielike if someone wants to use claws they could assign to open all mailto: links with: claws-mail --compose $mailto
12:40.03cehtehRST38h: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2001/11/48400
12:40.06cehtehold articke
12:40.16timeless_mbpsmaug: there's a third party that supposedly makes an MfE interface
12:40.21timeless_mbpthey seem to do a very good job
12:40.30cehtehwhat happend to those .. looked quite promising, prolly failed
12:40.31timeless_mbp(i think it's commercial, but the support seems good)
12:40.45timeless_mbpsmaug: but otherwise, please don't expect much from the mail side
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12:41.01smaug:(
12:41.02RST38hcehteh: Yea, that is the MIT project.
12:41.04tybolltRST38h: btw there are some controversy the russian navy apparently dumped a bunch of containers w/ radioactive shitz into the baltic sea in .se territory when they pulled out of lithuania/latvia/whatever...
12:41.05cehteh2.4 million rpm  << i doubt you can hear that
12:41.20timeless_mbpsmaug: mobile mail clients afaict all suck
12:41.27smaugemail client is the one I've heard most complaints
12:41.29tybolltRST38h: that was big deal in .se just last week :P
12:41.32tybollttimeless_mbp!
12:41.48RST38htybollt: Oh Russian Navy is the least of local radioactive problems
12:41.56tybolltoh?
12:41.57tybollthow so
12:42.40RST38htybollt: 150+ nuclear power sources powering autonomous meteo stations along the northern border, quite a few of them still unaccounted
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12:43.19RST38htybollt: industrial radiation sources (the ones that look like heavy electric motors at those pictures) - thousands of these
12:43.19tybolltRST38h: Yikes :-S
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12:44.20RST38htybollt: Canisters used to irradiate rye during experiments conducted in 50s-60s (these look like 3-5l butane tanks) - lots of these are lost
12:45.00tybolltprobably ol in Iran by now? ;)
12:45.00RST38htybollt: And then we have got the generic rubbish - medical equipment, watches, military equipment, etc
12:45.19RST38htybollt: Why would Iran need someone else's rusting radiactive junk?
12:45.19suihkulokkianyone competent in xmpp awake?
12:45.23pupnikwonders when the next nuclear terror strike will happen
12:45.34ruskiedefine compentent
12:45.58tybolltRST38h: what's they call it... you know what they do at sellafield in UK. "Enrichment" or something...
12:46.03suihkulokki1) does the facebook xmpp vcard include phonenumber/address/etc
12:46.37suihkulokki2) or does the n900 IM app simply not pull the vcard syncing contacts
12:46.44RST38htybollt: that is uranium or plutonium enrichment. Nothing to do with general radiation sources
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12:47.46tybolltRST38h: ah these are just radioactive metal or whatever, doesn't contain uranium... of course
12:47.51tronxhello,
12:48.13tronxhow can this link here http://pastebin.com/d585878f be user defined ?
12:48.36tybollttimeless_mbp: Care for a bug report? :)
12:49.12hrwandre__: thx
12:49.24andre__sure
12:49.24tronxnot http://pastebin.com/d585878f but the one in what is pasted.
12:49.26tronx:)
12:53.52tronxis Zenity gui possible on the n900 ?
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13:02.59tronxso, is Zenity supported on the n900 ?
13:06.44dazotronx:  do you have zenity installed?  Does it exist packages ready for it, at least in extras or devel repositories?  If not, then not .... when? when somebody implements it
13:07.03dazocould even be you :)
13:07.14tronxi already found it!
13:07.19sandmandoes n900 got Emesene? Or is it just Pidgin? Am not very found of Pidgin...
13:07.19tronxthanks a lot :)
13:07.52tronxdamn this is good, 2 line GUIs !
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13:08.07tronxis love'n it!
13:08.10tronx:P
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13:13.16sandmanIs there a link where i can see whats in the repos? How easy is it to port a *.deb to Maemo? I have understood it should be easy or are compiling the only way?
13:14.44mgedminsandman, I've no clue what Emesene is; I think Pidgin was ported, but is not preinstalled; the default IM is a proprietary Nokia app (AFAIU) built on top of Telepathy
13:14.54mgedminmaemo.org/packages can show you what's in the repos
13:14.58ShapeshifterHas anyone managed to sync multiple calendars from google calendar using mfe?
13:15.04Shapeshifterseems like it syncs only the first
13:15.15Shapeshifter(yeah I know its unsupported)
13:15.19koala_mansandman: if you have a x86 .deb you want to install on an arm device, you have to recompile it
13:15.24mgedminporting a deb is moderately easy: get a Linux system, set up the SDK, download the source deb, do magic, compile, upload to extras assistant
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13:19.04fragmenthow can I disable hildon banners in my fullscreen app? for example the volume bar when pressing the volume keys
13:19.40RST38hyou cannot
13:19.47RST38hbut of course you can take over keys
13:20.13fragmentRST38h: they are not showing in bounce or angry birds, for example
13:20.35cehtehprolly switching the non-composite mode on prevents that
13:20.40RST38hfragment: hmmm...actually, yes...
13:20.45cehtehyou want that anyways for fullscreen
13:21.00RST38hcehteh: Kinda doubt it: when I go to full screen and use fb0, they still TRY to appear
13:21.05fragmentcehteh: I have it
13:21.14cehtehok then, just a guess
13:21.32RST38hmust be another super secret XAtom
13:22.13RST38hOMG, Toshiba ships some of its R600 notebooks with OpenSolaris
13:22.22RST38hThe end of the world must be near indeed
13:22.49cehtehstill no ssh/sftp/rsync sharing plugin .. hey come one anyone do that please :/
13:22.52sandmanthanks mge :)
13:23.18sandmanand koala too =)
13:23.21Shadikkacehteh: scp works wonders.
13:23.52cehtehShadikka: i meant for the sharing api
13:23.57ShadikkaAh
13:24.01ShadikkaMy bad.
13:24.30cehtehjust set up your own server as sharing endpoint and let it use some ssh capable file transfer
13:24.43cehtehi dont care if it will be scp or rsync or sftp
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13:27.29vallhalla81Good day all
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13:40.10tronxcan scripts run from /home/user/MyDocs ?
13:40.25mgedminif you run them explicitly with sh, yes
13:40.31mgedminotherwise, the noexec mount option kicks in
13:40.50tronxoh
13:41.03tronxi had to move it to /opt to get it to work
13:41.26tronxmgedmin : whats the best place to put stuff like this ?
13:41.37mgedminstuff like what?
13:41.41mgedminI put my scripts in /home/user/bin
13:41.50mgedminand I have a ~/.profile that adds $HOME/bin to my $PATH
13:42.02tronxscripts
13:42.03mgedmin/usr/local/bin might also be a good place
13:42.24tronxright, thanks a lot.
13:42.50mgedminactually, the default $PATH doesn't include /usr/local, so there's no advantage of that over ~/bin
13:43.00Shapeshifterhow can I delete calendars?
13:43.38MiXu-The GPS on N900 ROCKS \o/
13:44.06MiXu-10 seconds to fix inside a building
13:44.13tronxMiXu- : whys that? \o/
13:44.16tybolltMiXu-: probably does - but what can it be used bfor? :)
13:44.17Stskeepsfine accuracy or coarse?
13:44.19tronxoh, thats nice.
13:44.26MiXu-vs. 3 minutes outside on an older Nokia
13:44.43MiXu-Stskeeps: I don't know and don't really care. :)
13:44.52hrwMiXu-: try to do that without online connection
13:45.05MiXu-But it's not "+-500meters" if that's what you're suggesting
13:45.23tronxmgedmin : i dont have /home/user/bin if i create it, would i be able to run stuff from there ?
13:45.30mgedminMiXu-, I _bet_ you're getting location data from a cell tower
13:45.47mgedminpull the SIM card and you'll enjoy 15-minute GPS fix times with no chance inside or near buildings
13:45.57mgedmintronx, yes
13:46.12tronxgreat.
13:46.24MiXu-mgedmin: It's not just the cell tower
13:46.38MiXu-There's real gps data in it too
13:47.12mgedminagps, yes
13:47.14MiXu-But the point here is that now it's fast enough to be actually used for geotagging.
13:47.17MiXu-Yeah.
13:47.22MiXu-And things like that
13:47.48Shapeshiftermh. the builtin mail app kinda doesn't really do a good job. I tried using claws mail on the n900 but that is kinda cramped. does anyone use a mail app different to the builtin one?
13:48.12MiXu-Shapeshifter: What is it that you're missing?
13:48.37hrwShapeshifter: after 51.1 I moved to default one. but it still does it poorly
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13:48.43hrwwants ProfiMail/maemo5
13:48.52ShapeshifterMiXu-: proper IMAP
13:48.55Stskeepsandre__: pro or con a 'Licensing' category in bugzilla, where we'd maintain a 'open sourcing' queue through generating reports sorting by votes/priority?
13:49.22ShapeshifterMiXu-: and rule based sorting of incoming mails into folders
13:49.43ShapeshifterI receive tons of mailing list mails and I don't want them all in my inbox but in subfolders and marked as read automatically.
13:49.44MiXu-I use gmail so I don't have that problem
13:50.03ShapeshifterMiXu-: you mean you have the moving rules online?
13:50.13MiXu-Shapeshifter: Yes
13:50.17Shapeshifterand they show up on the device in the subfolders? mh, that's a good idea
13:50.46MiXu-I haven't checked the subfolders though, since it's all junk :)
13:51.17andre__Stskeeps, interesting idea... though I'm wondering whether a keyword might make more sense
13:51.20MiXu-They seem to be there like you'd expect.
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13:54.48Stskeepsandre__: general idea is to have it ability to have reports like http://tinyurl.com/ykfexsb where an internal can then see what's currently a hot topic in open sourcing and can select the different priorities/or go by the popular vote etc
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13:55.23Stskeepsandre__: and then the internal would assign bug to him/herself, work the internal procedure for the stuff, return with an answer, etc :P
13:55.47Stskeepsalso, if it's possible, a custom bug description template (no idea if we support that)
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13:56.53andre__uhm, that's a bit more complicated
13:57.02andre__but could be done after having bugzilla 3.4
13:57.05Stskeepslike, the plain text one
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13:57.20Stskeepsotherwise i can always ask people to use a certain one and copy-paste it :P
13:57.25andre__hehe
13:57.41andre__so, either new product, or keyword. I prefer the latter, but I can't really provide arguments :)
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13:57.54Lumpio-...oops
13:59.10Shapeshiftermh. no mutt package
13:59.25mgedminmutt's imap is painful
13:59.34mgedminbetter ssh directly onto your server and run mutt remotely
13:59.52mgedminshame about screen screwing things up
14:00.06mgedminon a n810 I could open osso-xterm, ssh to my server, run screen, run mutt and all worked perfectly
14:00.23Shapeshiftermhh
14:00.25mgedminon a n900 if I try that, non-ascii characters bork everything, and my enter key doesn't work (sends <esc>OM which mutt ends up not understanding)
14:00.33mgedminif I remove screen from the equation, things work fine
14:00.36mgedminI don't understand why
14:00.50mgedminanyway, I find n900's modest to be acceptable for reading mail
14:01.01MiXu-I use a utf-8 screen on a remote host and everything works fine
14:01.01Shapeshiftermgedmin: odd. I accessed my server using ssh from the n900 and attached to screen running irssi and enter works fine
14:01.12Stskeepswell, i guess keyword would make bugs flow into the right product, but otoh, a 'Licensing' is a nice place to keep it all organised and have the licensing request end up at first tier (me) and then later get assigned to another.. and then priority etc being switched
14:01.27MiXu-You can try running screen in UTF8 mode like 'screen -U -r'
14:01.30xtmgedmin: try screen -U
14:01.36Stskeepsand those who are interested in licensing wars can add themselves to that product ;)
14:01.58mgedminxt, what does that mean?
14:02.01mgedminUTF-8?
14:02.04xtyes
14:02.05mgedminis there a ~/.screenrc option for that?
14:02.08xtyes
14:02.12xtdefutf8 on, iirc
14:02.41mgedminstrangest of all, from my laptop (gnome-terminal => same libvte as osso-xterm really) things work fine
14:03.18mgedminscreen -U helps
14:03.27Stskeepsandre__: think i'll make a proposal on community for it and then return with implementation details when people stopped arguing :P
14:03.42mgedminbut Enter still won't work
14:03.44mgedminunder screen
14:03.47andre__Stskeeps, okay :)
14:04.13mgedmindefutf8 on makes screen destroy my characters (č becomes ?)
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14:04.48mgedminlocale issue?
14:05.21mgedminbut locale charmap correctly prints UTF-8 (after complaining about LC_MESSAGES and LC_ALL)
14:05.38mgedminhates GNU screen
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14:07.16mgedminyep, locale issue
14:07.28mgedminadding en_GB en_GB.UTF-8 to /etc/locale.alias fixed screen
14:07.30mgedminstupid screen
14:07.41mgedminyou're supposed to pay attention to LC_CTYPE which already had the .UTF-8
14:07.43mgedminstupid screen
14:07.44Shapeshifterfor some reason one of my email accounts (a gmail account) always is bold. But I don't have any new mail. I don't really have any mail at all there
14:07.45mgedminstupid
14:08.43mgedminI suppose the "Enter is an unknown key" issue arises from some vt100 init sequence that screen emits
14:09.04amigadaveShapeshifter: the default email account (for sending i think) is highlighted in bold
14:09.19tybollthmm any users of Tweakr around here
14:09.21tybollt?
14:09.27Shapeshifteramigadave: ahh
14:09.42xtmgedmin: it's not screen's fault
14:09.49mgedminoh?
14:09.49amigadaveShapeshifter: confused me too :)
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14:12.43libbenany app for recording sound with the phone?
14:12.48libbenlike a dictaphone
14:13.00libbeni want to record a sound in my office.
14:13.06libbenbut cant find any app for it really
14:14.08satmdrecorder?
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14:14.24satmdI'd have to check which repo
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14:15.44libbenrecorder is in repos
14:15.46libbenill take that
14:15.47libbenthxs
14:15.52libbenwas looking in the app manager
14:16.10mgedmina-ha!
14:16.17ifreqapp manager uses repos :P
14:16.22mgedmininfocmp -l1 xterm|grep kent -> kent=\EOM
14:16.27ifreqyou can search inside of appmanager
14:16.29hrwhttp://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/02/11/mdbus2-for-maemo5/
14:16.30mgedminbut infocmp -l1 screen|grep kent -> it's not defined!
14:16.47mgedminthat's why mutt and all other apps cannot recognize my Enter key under screen
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14:17.33libbenis there any nice little sound editor in the repos also that works decent on n900 ?
14:17.43libbenso you can cut etc etc
14:17.49pupnikno
14:18.21aswatHy everyone !
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14:19.15aswatI am a happy N900 user and I was wondering if there was a way to display/control the media play while the phone is locked
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14:19.40dazoaswat:  don't think so .... but how would you imagine that?
14:20.14dazoaswat:  it's not necessarily a bad idea ... just how it could be implemented ... if possible, I dunno
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14:23.07pupniki need 3-4000 mAh for one day with n900
14:23.16pupnikif using it a lot
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14:24.39Shadikkadazo: Accelerometer, iPod-style. :P
14:25.32dazoShadikka:  actually, there is a accelerometer controller for media player already in one of the extras repos, iirc .... but iPod style ... hey, that should be doable though ;-)
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14:26.28dazoShadikka:  just wonder if it's possible to override the normal "lock" screen which you get when hitting the power key .... changing that with "iPod style" controller would be nice
14:26.31Shadikkadazo: Why am I not actually even surprised.. :D
14:26.47dazo:)
14:26.56ShadikkaI don't know that much about the OS's inner workings, but I'd expect it to be possible.
14:27.07dazopupnik:  3-4000mAh ~ 3-4 batteries :-P
14:27.14sandmanlibben: try to convice someone to port Audacity to Maemo http://audacity.sourceforge.net/?lang=sv
14:27.45pupnikor two mugens
14:27.51dazoShadikka:  it's just about catching the right hook and override the application being run, and run another one .... shouldn't be worse ... in theory
14:28.02pupnikwill buy them asap
14:28.09dazopupnik:  considered a hat with solar panels? :-P
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14:28.48ShadikkaIndeed, in theory.
14:29.25tybolltI want a  hat w/ an iron rod innit so I can go out when there's thuinder outside and find out if I'll get struck
14:29.45tybolltIt'll likely kill me but then I will atleast get the satifaction of knowing if it "works" or not :)
14:30.00dazotybollt:  and if you do .... it would charge your N900 rapidly quickly too!!!!
14:30.15dazo:-P
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14:30.32tybolltdazo: cactly!
14:31.50dazotybollt:  but in fact ... if that iron rod is grounded .... in theory, you would be inside a Faraday's cage, which means you should not be hit .... that's why it's safe to be inside a car .... the lightning strike is directed around you
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14:32.21dazobut please, don't blame me if you decide to test it out!!!!!
14:32.43satmd(faraday: electrons push each other away, thus trying to form a "hull" instead of going to the center)
14:34.59pupnikmugen now shipping 2200mAh battery! (?) http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/rss/catalog/category/cid/854/
14:35.42pupnikjust added today
14:35.46satmdrss'ed link
14:35.47mikhaspupnik, seems like a good deal to me
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14:36.20mikhasand its 2.4 Ah, not 2.2
14:36.38pupnikhttp://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/nokia/nokia-n900/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html
14:36.42rangeYeah, but doesn't it make the machine look a little fat?
14:36.50pupnikdont care!
14:36.57rangeI do, it's a phone :)
14:37.01nid0no, it makes the machine look a *lot* fat
14:37.43pupnikwow 7mm
14:38.07pupniktoo bad the larger batt doesnt spread over the whole case width
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14:39.07rangecan't really see what they do with the camera, though.
14:39.16pupnikmakes for a nice hiding place for herb
14:39.16nid0it seems a very unpolished design to just have a mammoth oblong battery and huge back cover for the entire device with tons of wasted volume inside
14:39.57pupnikthe sliding cover has no lens range
14:40.15inzyou could have your movie collection on microsds inside!
14:40.30nid0rather just carry on lugging my 2000mAh solar recharger with me and keep the phone itself half sensible, and still get more total power
14:40.33libbenis there anyway to get the phone to disconnect internet if it's not being used for like 3-4 minutes?
14:41.05libbencause right now, if u do something that requieres online, it goes online. But it's a bit of a hassle to disconnect everytime
14:41.18satmdwireless or 2g/3g?
14:41.35libbenwifi
14:41.38libbenand 3g i guess
14:41.46libbencause it drains the battery also
14:42.00libbenmy 3g only connects when im outside the office and starts to stream in mediaplayer
14:42.10libbenthen it pops up, and when im done, i need to disconnect.
14:42.32libbenwould be nice with something that checked if anything happens within a time range.
14:42.40pupnikone click and one tap to disconnet
14:42.51satmdwould love to trigger wireless on when plugging in usb
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14:43.42satmdhm
14:43.44sandmanshouldn a bash-script be able to do that
14:43.56satmdsure, probably
14:43.56libbenpupnik: well its 2 clicks 2 many =)
14:44.07satmdI have installed the sdk, but not played with it yet
14:45.04satmdso I'd not know where to poke at /proc or /sys
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14:45.45satmdwait a sec
14:45.54satmdlibben: maybe longpress is something for you
14:46.14satmdtoggles offline mode with the slide on the right side
14:48.25pupnikapparently mugen could not produce a battery with a stepped design.
14:48.29libbenu mean the lock button on the right side ?
14:48.52satmdyes
14:49.07satmdif you hold it long, it'll toggle
14:49.36libbeninstalling it now
14:49.37libbento try it
14:49.41satmd:D
14:50.08satmdit seems longpress caused our company access point to crash right now when I was trying
14:50.09libbenhmm
14:50.25libbenlongpress is disabling 3g
14:50.38libbenwhats the icon thats popping when surfing without wifi?
14:50.40satmdit's disabling every connectivity
14:50.49libbenso no phone calls?
14:50.52satmda white ball with 2 arrows
14:50.57satmdyes
14:50.57libbenyeah
14:51.04libbenwhats that 2 arrows?
14:51.12libbeni taught that was the 3g thing
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14:51.24satmdwell, if longpress and shortcutd would merge and have more choice - that'd be great
14:51.45sandmanlibben: i would try to make a bash-script that activates on click or screensaver. Am not sure how to do it on N900 but this could help you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=383392
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14:56.29libbenso whats the ball with two arrows?
14:56.29Tronxit seems because bash isnt installed i cant get zenity to work well
14:56.42Tronxfor example i cand define $something
14:57.28crashanddieTronx: environment variables work fine
14:57.33Tronxif i run      zenity url=`zenity --title="Axel GUI" --text="Enter url" --entry` axel --num-connections=8 http://"$url"
14:57.40aswat<dazo>: well, a friend of mine as a android device that has this feature, and I really believe it could be nice
14:57.43SpeedEvillibben: that's a internet-over-phone icon
14:57.47Tronx$url is always blank at the end.
14:58.08Tronxcrashanddie : any suggestions ?
14:58.11SpeedEvilyou can't do that
14:58.13crashanddieTronx: export lol="how to learn using environment variables"
14:58.14SpeedEviloh
14:58.16luke-jrTronx: that's not how you define url in the first place
14:58.40Tronxluke-jr : thats not mine http://www.discala.co.uk/shell_scripts/axelgui
14:58.41aswat<dazo>: the idea is to display the media player when short pressing a button
14:59.02Tronxit works on my laptop just doesnt on the n900
14:59.07luke-jrTronx: you copied it wrong
14:59.12libbenSpeedEvil: so when i got connected and stop doing stuff over the net, whats the status of it then? Battery drainer or what?
14:59.15cpasjustecan i completly remove a package i uploaded to devel ?
14:59.42SpeedEvillibben: fairly innocuous.
14:59.52SpeedEvillibben: it drains a bit - not a lot more power
14:59.52Tronxluke-jr : the one in the link doesnt even run, i had to add zenity before the first line and remove #!/bin/sh
15:00.20mgedmineek
15:00.21libbeni still would feel better if the wifi and the phone over internet went and disconnected
15:00.22ShapeshifterI can't install liqbase-playground as apparently libliqbase1 is missing.
15:00.27SpeedEvillibben: you can however set 'always ask'
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15:00.34Shapeshifter(^ lcuk?)
15:00.36SpeedEvillibben: in settings -> network
15:00.38luke-jrTronx: then your system is not POSIX compliant
15:00.42SpeedEvillibben: and it will never reconnect
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15:00.53lcukShapeshifter, which repo
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15:01.09Tronxluke-jr : it works on my system, just doesnt on the n900.
15:01.22SpeedEvilTronx: were you trying to run it in MyDocs?
15:01.25libbenSpeedEvil: the connection aint the problem. its that it dont disconnect automatically after some minuts of inactivity
15:01.25mgedminTronx, what exactly are you running and how are you running it?
15:01.49Shapeshifterlcuk: extra-devel
15:01.53TronxSpeedEvil : no in /home/user/bin as some user here suggested , it runs.
15:02.09Tronxmgedmin : its just some gui zenity script for axel
15:02.11lcukShapeshifter, should be there
15:02.12SpeedEvillibben: ah
15:02.31Shapeshifterlcuk: Application packages missin libliqbase1(>=0.3.57)
15:02.35mgedminTronx, that's not specific enough if you want me to help solve your problem
15:02.36lcukyou could always grab all the latest from my github   github.com/lcuk   much later than the stuff in repo
15:02.42Tronxmgedmin: here it is http://www.discala.co.uk/shell_scripts/axelgui
15:02.49Shapeshifterlcuk: okay
15:03.25Tronxmgedmin : just asks the user for a link and puts it in a command
15:03.49lcukShapeshifter, the playground is being smashed to pieces slowly tho, and more and more of the loose components in the widget soup are being pushed into standalone apps and packages
15:04.03lcukso if you want to play, start with something like liqflow as a standalone
15:04.20Shapeshifteryep I see
15:04.46mgedminTronx, but you said you modified the script
15:04.49SpeedEvilwfm
15:04.54mgedminand you said you had problems running the original
15:04.59SpeedEvilreplacing the last line with echo --num-connections=8 http://"$user":"$pass"@"$url"
15:05.02mgedminwhat problems exactly?
15:05.07SpeedEvil./axelgui
15:05.08SpeedEvil--num-connections=8 http://B:C@A
15:05.12mgedminwhat exactly did you run and where?
15:05.13SpeedEvilafter entering a b c
15:06.20TronxSpeedEvil : did you do that on your n900 ?
15:06.26SpeedEvilyes
15:06.43Tronxmgedmin : i had the script in /home/user/bin it didnt even run
15:06.56mgedminhow did you run it? what were the error messages?
15:07.02SpeedEvilworks as root or user
15:07.10Tronxdamn it
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15:07.15mgedminremarks that this feels like pulling teeth
15:07.17cpasjustewhoa, we can't make big packages since apt-cache is on nand ?
15:07.37SpeedEvilTronx: pastebin the exact error messages you get with the above script - unchanged
15:07.43mgedmincpasjuste, HAM uses /home/MyDocs/ for downloaded packages, doesn't it?
15:07.45Tronxok let me go try it agian, i'll come back to bother you guys if it doesnt :)
15:07.57cpasjustemgedmin what do you mean ?
15:08.05cpasjustecan i say autobuilder to do that ?
15:08.14mgedminHildon Application Manager doesn't use /var/cache/apt/archives, as far as I know
15:08.19cpasjustehaaaa
15:08.22cpasjustewoot
15:08.29mgedminsudo apt-get, however, does use /var
15:08.36cpasjustewould be great, i did try with apt-get ... stupid me :)
15:09.08Shapeshifterlcuk: liqcalendar is soo smooth
15:09.12cpasjusteso cool thanks :x
15:09.14cpasjustewas nervous :)
15:10.58lcukShapeshifter, lots of things are :)
15:11.03cpasjustecool mgedmin it work :p
15:11.12lcukon n900 its a dream
15:11.20lcukon n810 its fabulous too
15:11.37Shapeshifterlcuk: But I'm guessing that's also due to nice code
15:12.44lcukthe framework was designed to run as fast/smooth as possible on n810 - at the time i started it i didnt even know the next nokia device number ;)
15:13.20Tronx:D
15:13.22Tronxit works!
15:13.26lcuki knew though that the improvements would directly benefit n900
15:13.31Tronxthanks for the help guy.
15:13.47Shapeshifterlcuk: :)
15:13.51Shapeshiftergood stuff.
15:14.29Tronxwhats the shortcut to complete filenames in cli ?
15:14.35Tronxctrl+what ?
15:14.38ShapeshifterTronx: TAB
15:14.54Tronxright, thx
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15:16.47mgedminTronx, ctrl-i is the same thing as tab in xterm
15:17.07Tronx:)
15:17.14Tronxthats the one i had read, thx
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15:18.06Tronxmgedmin : you think it would be possible to add a progress bar to this script ?
15:18.19mgedminno clue
15:19.40dazoaswat:  exactly my thought as well ... unfortunately, I'm useless with writing GUI apps ... but if I get some spare time, I'll have a look at it :)
15:20.44guysoft42hey all,
15:20.46satmdhmmmmmmmm
15:21.31guysoft42i thought i might draw your attention to the fact that sygic, specifically sygic in Israel are selling GPS software with a claim it supports some kind of linux. when it supports none at this time
15:21.36guysoft42is this against the law?
15:22.11ShapeshifterSo I looked up how to configure ash, and apparently its supposed to source .profile. But it does not on the n900. Where do I put my config for ash?
15:22.52Stskeepshttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44127 - Proposal for open sourcing queue
15:24.25satmdfound out that he can use the n900 as a bug
15:24.33satmdnot much use however :D
15:26.26Shapeshifternevermind, figured it out
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15:39.09Tronxmgedmin : could format effect scripts and cause them not to run ?
15:39.19mgedminwhat?
15:39.24mgedmindo you mean affect?
15:39.29mgedminand what do you mean by "format"?
15:39.34Tronxfor example the same script i was trying to get to work a moment ago didnt when i copied it from windows to the n900
15:39.36mgedminMS-DOS newlines?
15:39.46mgedminyes, CRLF instead of LF _will break your shell scripts_
15:40.05Tronxbut did work when i saved it from the site to the n900 directly
15:40.44mgedmincompare file sizes
15:40.54Tronxthat must be it
15:41.01mgedminif the script gets larger when you copy from windows than when you download directly, you'll know what it is
15:41.49sar3thit's impossible to run java apps on the n900, right?
15:42.15sar3theG big java apps, as NetBeans, or small java apps, which were developed for mobile phones
15:42.34tybolltugh
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15:43.45aswat@<dazo> : I am trying to set up the SDK on Fedora 12 x68_64 to see what I can do
15:44.37dazoaswat:  neat!  Let me know how your SDK setup will work out ... I'm going to that on my own laptop soon, F12/x86_64 :)
15:44.55adalalanyone here knows what gateway the msn haze plugin uses to connect to the live messenger servers?
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15:46.19aswat@dazo: no luck there
15:46.39aswatstuck with this :
15:46.54dazoaswat:  It's not going to be easy, I've understood .... my "plan b" is to do it in a VM
15:47.03aswatInconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!
15:47.25ShapeshifterI think I've broken microb. it doesn't load any pages (while midori does), and when I click on Web↓ "Options" or "New Window", nothing happens
15:47.29aswatE: Scratchbox command 'sb-conf setup' returned error 0.
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15:47.58X-FadeShapeshifter: Browser switcher of something like that installed?
15:48.00aswatI installed the Scratchbox successfully
15:48.05aswatbut not the SDK
15:48.22mikhasguys, do yourself a favour and use the GUI installer from Forum Nokia, really ...
15:48.35ShapeshifterX-Fade: nope
15:48.52aswat@mikhas: does it work on x86_64 platerforms ?
15:49.20mikhasit works here
15:49.40mikhasbut yeah, I might just have been lucky with that
15:50.26sandmansar3th: do you know why java wont work? Isn't the debian libs working?
15:51.14sar3thsandman: i haven't tried it yet, i was asking if anyone already did ;)
15:51.27sandmanhehe ok :)
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15:52.02aswatnot working for me
15:53.43aswatI am getting this error : TypeError: QWizardPage.registerField(QString, QWidget, str property=None, SIGNAL() changedSignal=0): argument 4 has unexpected type 'str'
15:58.41mikhasthat looks like a python error to me, aswat
15:58.58mikhasyou might need to run the installer with python2.5 or 2.6?
15:59.13aswatok
15:59.18aswatI have python 2.6
15:59.23aswatthat might be it
16:00.23sar3ththat looks like something with qt :O
16:00.55aswatmight be that I am running QT 4.6.1 with KDE 4.4. ;)
16:01.31aswattoo bad
16:01.36mikhasno, it is python or your python bindings
16:02.06w00tor it could be that you've made a mistake in what you're doing
16:02.08mikhassay, it didn't try to apt-get the missing packages?
16:02.17w00twhat is your code for that line?
16:02.41aswat./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py
16:02.48aswatpretty simple as root
16:02.55w00toh, sdk
16:03.01w00thrm.
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16:03.24w00twhere'd you get it from?
16:03.29aswatactually I have tried the manual install described here : http://www.martindengler.com/index.html#2010-02-03
16:03.31sar3thhm, then it's an error in the script maybe :|
16:03.42aswathttp://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html
16:03.58aswatthat's where I got the python script
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16:05.54aswatI'm not sure if it is supposed to work on x86_64
16:09.02mikhasaswat, ask the maintainers then
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16:17.12StskeepsDocScrutinizer51, jebba, PaulFertser_, luke-jr: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44127
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16:17.39LuciusMareohai
16:17.53threshOHAI
16:18.04LuciusMarecan the light or proximity sensor in n900 be used to sense motion?
16:18.48ifreqLuciusMare: why not the webcam?
16:19.07LuciusMarewell
16:19.20LuciusMareright, i didnt thought of it, it might be the paranoia, i am afraid of being spied
16:19.26ifreqive built motion (linux security webcam) app for maemo5 and it worked just nicely
16:19.39tripzeromm... motion is nice
16:19.42LuciusMarehm
16:19.51LuciusMaremotion also triggers on light change, doesnt it?
16:19.55ifreqtho didnt upload it to repos as it needs quite much console work to be usable.. and maybe some sms etc..
16:20.03ifreqguess so
16:20.14Lumpio-You could make it ignore slow changes in light
16:20.21Lumpio-Like the sun
16:20.27ifreqits quite configurable
16:20.29mgedminoh, cool, PR1.1 lets me merge more than two contacts at once!
16:20.42LuciusMarewell, but my lightbulbs does not dim slowly
16:20.43aswatIs there a way to raise the number of "displayed" applet on the N900 ?
16:21.08aswatI am limited to 9
16:22.09aswatthere is enought space for 2 additionnal ones
16:22.12aswaton my opinion
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16:22.27hrwre
16:22.48Stskeepslo qole
16:23.04qoleStskeeps,  good morning
16:23.14hrwhej Stskeeps
16:23.24qoleor whatever it is for  you :)
16:23.34hrw~ugt
16:23.35infobotugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
16:23.35hrw;d
16:23.46mgedminheh
16:23.49luke-jrStskeeps: posted a question
16:23.58LuciusMaremorning,then
16:24.04qolehrw, thanks
16:24.12dracflamlocis there any good way to avoid the dreaded microusb breaking?
16:24.42mgedmindoesn't the Facebook XMPP thing kina make Hermes obsolete?
16:24.48qoletreat the microusb connector like it e
16:24.49lcukyes, do not use nokia charging cable as skipping rope
16:24.50|Rdon't try to catch a cow by spinning your n900 with the usb cable? :)
16:24.58Stskeepsluke-jr: thanks
16:25.02qolelike it is made of paper
16:25.05hrwmgedmin: hermes got obsoleted some time ago I think
16:25.13lcukhi qole
16:25.24hrwmgedmin: when facebook and twitter support for contacts landed
16:25.26qolelcuk, good morning
16:25.39lcukoffers bacon and coffee
16:26.07qolethere's twitter support for contacts?!?
16:26.34mgedminoh, the telepathy plugins?
16:26.40qolelcuk, just had breakfast, on the bus to work
16:26.52hrwmgedmin: yes
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16:27.31Shapeshiftermh. how can I reset the microb config? I looked at the home dir but I'm scared of just deleting /home/use/.mozilla/microb
16:27.32qoleso anyone know why lzma decompressing is slower than bzip2 on the N900?
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16:30.11LuciusMareuh huh, the fremantle version of sleep says "sleep: invalid number 0.1", while it parses correctly on my desktop
16:30.45qoleStskeeps, about the openness numbers you compiled... have they gotten better for Diablo in the past year, or have they remained stable?
16:31.21Stskeepsqole, in terms of opening components/developed openly, of course.. but i only have limited data
16:31.48qoleSt
16:32.04Stskeepsqole, worth checking out my newest post about open sourcing queue
16:32.32qoleStskeeps, so Diablo's a moving target, even after abandonment. Good to know.
16:32.46LuciusMareShapeshifter: then move it somewhere else
16:33.22Stskeepsqole, it is still on my list yes and still being prioritised for open sourcing
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16:36.39qoleStskeeps, do you mean http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html
16:37.17qoleStskeeps, could you link to open sourcing queue post?
16:37.26Stskeepsqole, nop, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44127
16:37.34qolethanks
16:38.18petteriis there a way send messages to specific jabber resource from the built in instant messanger app
16:38.50petterifor example if my friend has logged in from his desktop and n900 and I wanted to send message to the n900
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16:39.34qoleStskeeps, wow, that sounds great!
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16:39.57hrwpetteri: internal one does not support it
16:40.11petterihrw: ok thanks :(
16:41.16Stskeepsqole, hopefully it means we will be able to churn more things open source - and have a sober discussion doing this
16:41.26DocScrutinizerStskeeps: cool
16:43.22qoleStskeeps, DocScrutinizer, very very cool... adds some much needed focus to the process, as well as clarity. Getting clear answers component by component will be nice.
16:44.29Stskeepsand we also provide proper arguments for why it would be a good idea and showing it won't just be crickets sound if opened
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16:47.33DocScrutinizerwell to me it seems the suggestion to open a ticket for open up source of some component is not all new, but Stskeeps implemented a much clearer hirarchy and precise roles and standard operation procedures
16:48.50StskeepsDocScrutinizer: i have been on the community side enough to be really frustrated over things :)
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16:51.39poitsunice to see qole
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16:53.49qolepoitsu, are you saying hi, or was that part of another discussion?
16:55.01tripzeroqole, he's just sniping you
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16:55.32poitsujust semi-rare to see you in irc
16:56.08qolepupnik, yes it is :)
16:58.32shinkamuihey pup
16:58.33shinkamuinik
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17:01.27osxxPlease rate video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOUGWeN2amY
17:01.40qoleI am hoping to hang out more in IRC, especially if I fgure out the 240 second disconnect.
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17:04.30hrwbug #8989 got better pictures
17:04.32povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8989 number -> name decoding for sms should only be decoded from phone number fields of contacts
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17:05.08hrwnow waiting for nokia devs to check it
17:05.52woglinde_trainhaha
17:06.08hrwwoglinde_train: in other words: maemo7 at least
17:07.11wazdwow, nokia ressurected n800 :D
17:07.25woglinde_trainhm?
17:07.33wazd12mpix camera, 720p video, HDMI :)
17:07.50wazdhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/11/nokia-n8-00-first-symbian-3-handset-with-12-megapixel-camera-7/
17:07.52woglinde_trainguruplug video?
17:07.53hrwN8
17:08.03woglinde_trainguruplug rockz
17:08.10tripzerodoes look quite awesome
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17:11.58qoleN8-00 will still only have a 3.5" screen!
17:12.16X-Fadeqole: It is a phone.
17:12.30pupnikany haxxor know if there's a larger screen compatible with n900 ?
17:12.40pupniksame cable, signals?
17:12.42X-Fadeqole: Phones can't get a lot bigger than that without looking silly :)
17:12.56qoleBAH.
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17:13.12X-Fadeqole: For that it need to be a _tablet_ :)
17:13.14pupniki have a broken psion netbook that would enjoy a n900 inside
17:13.17woglinde_trainhi x-fade
17:13.22qoleYou Europeans and your skinny jeans and tiny pockets.
17:13.49woglinde_trainpupnik we have a nopt broken psion for alle the fairs and the openembedded stand
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17:14.14pupniknopt woglinde_train "?
17:14.20woglinde_trainno
17:14.28woglinde_traineepc 901 keys
17:14.30woglinde_trainand train
17:14.33pupnikhah
17:14.38woglinde_trainnopt=no
17:14.43woglinde_trainareh not
17:14.47woglinde_trainargs
17:15.03pupnikcomplains to DB about the suspension
17:15.18woglinde_trainI am typing to fast
17:15.49pupnikdo you want my netbook for parts?
17:16.00woglinde_trainhm ask florian
17:16.12woglinde_trainhe maintains the stuff
17:16.20pupniknickname is florian?
17:16.25lcukwoglinde_train, what are you training for?
17:16.27woglinde_trainyes
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17:16.39jose_manriquehello
17:16.43woglinde_trainlcuk *g*
17:16.53jose_manriquedoes N900 support L2CAP??
17:18.00woglinde_RE7lcuk better now?
17:18.08woglinde_RE7its the train number
17:18.13fiferboyIn case anyone here is not aware: losing your job sucks :(
17:18.26woglinde_RE7fiferboy uh
17:18.27woglinde_RE7yes
17:18.27lcuk:D haha
17:18.32lcuk:O fiferboy
17:18.34lcuk:(
17:18.35qoleI think BT headsets are making handset size more irrelevant. A big 4.3" screen would be fine if it had a headset in the box for those who don't like sticking a big device against their ear...
17:18.42Stskeeps:( fiferboy
17:19.00qole:( fiferboy
17:19.11fiferboyThanks guys.  My new full-time job is looking for a new full-time job
17:19.15woglinde_RE7fiferboy you will get a new one
17:19.28qoleIt happened to you? With a little baby?
17:19.40fiferboyqole: Yeah, not the best timing
17:19.47dracflamloc=(
17:19.54woglinde_RE7fiferboy even lcuk found something new
17:19.58woglinde_RE7hides
17:20.00qolehahahaha
17:20.09fiferboywoglinde_RE7: True :)
17:20.19pupnikhow about sunglasses that magically overlay a 19" 800x600 screen on my FOV
17:21.00derf19"?
17:21.05derfThose would be big sunglasses.
17:21.13qolepupnik, as long as the screen really is 800x600...
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17:21.38Stskeepsfiferboy: you were a qt'er too weren't you?
17:21.40qolemost of those display glasses have woeful resolution
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17:21.46pupnikyes
17:21.55fiferboyStskeeps: Yes, I have done lots of work with it and some work on it
17:22.00fiferboyStskeeps: But not professionally
17:22.08GAN900fiferboy, man, that's brutal.
17:22.13jose_manriquesorry, I would like to know if N900/fremantle supports L2CAP.... anynone knoes?
17:22.24fiferboyGAN900: Yeah, I'm not coming down to Florida now :(
17:22.30Stskeepsfiferboy: well at least that's an advantage
17:22.30qolefiferboy, would you move to the states for a job? Or europe?
17:22.38fiferboyAlthough my manager nicely gave me the time off to book it a week before I was let go
17:22.38GAN900fiferboy, I can imagiine.
17:23.20pupniknext conference: somewhere with sun, beach and cheap food please
17:23.26fiferboyqole: We might consider Europe.  My wife doesn't want to go to the States
17:23.28pupnikfreezes in the dark
17:24.07qolefiferboy, In many ways I don't blame her. But California is nice...
17:24.40qoleVancouver is nice too :D
17:25.02GAN900What in the world is up with all those Latin pronunciation advocates?
17:25.18GAN900me-mo has to be the lamest sounding way to say it.
17:25.36fiferboyIf anyone wants to add me on linked in: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/andrewjolmsted
17:25.49GAN900fiferboy, the states depends entirely on where you move to. ;)
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17:25.58SpeedEvilI pronounce it to rhyme with pilchard.
17:26.07fiferboyGAN900: True.
17:26.14GAN900EU is just going to be freaking expensive.
17:26.20GAN900qole, CA sucks.
17:26.26Firebirdwell, according to my latin, maemo would be my-mo
17:27.25qoleI hear mountain view, CA is nice
17:28.25pupniksays "may-mo" but gets evil looks from the "my-mo" people
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17:29.07qoleGAN900, Florida stuck me as odd, beautiful weather, but little pockets of super-rich, vast swaths of quite poor.
17:29.45pupnikneeds paintball autoturrets for the house
17:29.58lcukfiferboy, linkedin, i added "maemo (community)" as a company and put some of my stuff there.  you have no notification about your excellent community work
17:30.37qolefiferboy, yes, your apps are huge, everyone uses them.
17:31.21fiferboylcuk: Good idea.  I was trying to think of a place to put that
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17:36.38fiferboylcuk: You should add that as an actual company on LinkedIn so all maemo.org people can "work" there
17:36.49GeneralAntillesqole, er, and CA struck you as anything different? :)
17:36.57GeneralAntillesqole, CA has that but worse.
17:37.11GeneralAntillesqole, Mountain View is unaffordable.
17:37.30GeneralAntillesqole, where were you in Florida?
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17:38.05qolelcuk, fiferboy, I agree, just looking at Linkedin right now.
17:38.36GeneralAntillesqole, the vast majority of CA is in fact rather poor.
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17:38.46uhsfgoogle buzz > linkedin
17:38.47timeless_mbpfrowns
17:38.51pupnikhttp://hacknmod.com/hack/diy-paintball-machine-gun-turret/  mmmm
17:38.52timeless_mbpStskeeps: help?
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17:39.06timeless_mbpMy Mer insists that my working directory is a read-only file system
17:39.43GeneralAntillesqole, both states have massive immigrant populations.
17:39.46timeless_mbpactually, it insists my home directory is a readonly file system too
17:39.46Stskeepstimeless_mbp: pwd?
17:39.58Stskeepstimeless_mbp: hmm.
17:40.06Stskeepstimeless_mbp: dmesg may reveal FS errors?
17:40.13timeless_mbptouch: cannot touch `/home/timeless/hjkhjkhk': Read-only file system
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17:40.48timeless_mbpwow
17:40.54qoleGeneralAntilles, you're probably right, I have very little first-hand experience of California...
17:40.57lbtfiferboy:  :(
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17:41.10timeless_mbpi have something that looks like a kernel panic "warn_slowpath+0x60/0x80"
17:41.11GeneralAntillesqole, thus why it's a bad idea to throw opinions around. ;)
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17:41.17Stskeepstimeless_mbp: excellent
17:41.47VDVsxjose_manrique, bluetooth l2cap ? of course that the base for 'everything' :D
17:42.38GeneralAntilles223 new posts on Talk in just over 11 hours.
17:42.44GeneralAntilless/posts/threads/
17:42.44qoleGeneralAntilles, I didn't realise that my observations about Florida would upset you.
17:42.49GeneralAntilless/new/updated/
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17:43.26BluesLeeyeah, its hard to follow all the threads
17:43.30qoleinfobot, what did GeneralAntilles really mean?
17:43.39GeneralAntillesqole, it didn't, but Florida and California suffer from a lot of similar problems.
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17:43.59GeneralAntillesqole, so a "CA is nice" and "Florida has vast swaths of poor" doesn't really compute.
17:44.19VDVsxliked Mountain View CA :)
17:44.29VDVsxNokias has a office there
17:44.33VDVsx*nokia
17:44.35qoleGeneralAntilles, I see where you're going here.
17:44.49GeneralAntillesVDVsx, yes, Mountain View is nice, but it's complete unaffordable. :P
17:45.00GeneralAntillesqole, in general, I disagree with the sort of location-based opinion slinging that so many people tend to participate in from positions of no experience.
17:45.05VDVsxhousing ?
17:45.12GeneralAntillesqole, I don't have a lot of opinions about Canada since I've never been there. ;)
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17:45.18GeneralAntillesVDVsx, living expenses period.
17:45.24GeneralAntillesGas, taxes, housing, food, etc.
17:45.28VDVsxthings aren't that expensive, at least for a european
17:45.45qoleGeneralAntilles, California has more high-tech jobs... but you're right, my opinion of California is not based on personal experience.
17:45.51GeneralAntillesVDVsx, yeah, well, relative to most of the rest of the US. ;)
17:45.59VDVsx:)
17:46.11fiferboyGeneralAntilles: I'm sure it is expensive my Canadian standards too
17:46.13GeneralAntillesqole, Alabama has a lot of tech jobs, too. ;)
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17:46.35GeneralAntillesVDVsx, MOST of us aren't taxed completely to hell and back. :P
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17:46.51VDVsxeheh
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17:49.09GeneralAntillesBy the way, you should all probably vote here lest you end up with a mascot you don't want. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=521024
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17:49.38GeneralAntillesnotes that Talk is poised to make a decision affecting the whole community unilaterally.
17:49.41timeless_mbp[117998.238241] EXT3-fs error (device sda1): ext3_journal_start_sb: Detected aborted journal
17:49.53fiferboyGeneralAntilles: I want the Naked Mole Rat mascot
17:50.24Trizttimeless_mbp; thats on your n900?
17:50.32timeless_mbpTrizt: Mer-vbox
17:51.19GeneralAntillesJaffa, how do you deal with all of those inane enhancement requests for Catorise?
17:51.42JaffaGeneralAntilles: By hoping against hope that you'll jump in and slap 'em down before I get to them ;-)
17:51.56JaffaGeneralAntilles: And being thankful they ignore the other posts which say "raise a bug" ;-)
17:52.17Jaffaparticularly like "I just open 15 apps... and it triggers a glitch in Catorise.... that's all man!"
17:52.20GeneralAntillesJaffa, hey, I did it once. I think that probably makes us even for the en_US enhancement. *g*
17:52.22Jaffas/like/likes/
17:52.31GeneralAntillesDefinitely an h-d bug
17:52.33GeneralAntillesI've seen it, too.
17:52.54GeneralAntillesHigh CPU load seems to make the application menu render its items very slowly.
17:52.55JaffaI've seen the weird "menu layers overlaid" bug, but didn't think it was related to number of open windows
17:53.15timeless_mbpit isn't
17:53.20timeless_mbpwell
17:53.21timeless_mbpactually
17:53.24timeless_mbpit kinda is
17:53.29timeless_mbpit's a race condition
17:53.34Jaffatimeless_mbp: Fun
17:53.41timeless_mbpbut if the system is pegged, you have a better chance of winning the race
17:53.45timeless_mbpotherwise you just need to practice
17:53.49GeneralAntilles<3 Application Menu race conditions
17:53.59GeneralAntillesWe'll never be rid of them.
17:54.00timeless_mbpwith practice, you get faster, and can have a better chance of winning the race
17:54.18timeless_mbpTherac-25
17:54.22timeless_mbpwinning races ^^
17:54.48timeless_mbpwonders what portion of people get that reference
17:55.42GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, wikipedia to the rescue. ;)
17:56.45timeless_mbpat this point i can at least sometimes remember the name w/o having to google for it
17:58.03GeneralAntillesI really wish we had the userbase to support slashdot-style moderation.
17:58.15GeneralAntillesReading threads these days feels like wading through raw sewage.
17:58.47hardakerforums are a pain in every way shape and form no matter the topic.
17:59.00GeneralAntilleshardaker, well, back in the old days. . . .
17:59.08hardakerI've always wanted to have a good long conversation with the guy that thought up the idea that a web page is a good place to hold a conversation.
17:59.13timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: sadly, even mozilla.org doesn't have a userbase to moderate bugs
17:59.15pupnikyou only have to invest as much time on t.m.o. as you want, no?
17:59.32t-tanhi all, hi qole!
17:59.32lcukGeneralAntilles, what about this for a quick fix http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=521010&postcount=1
17:59.36GeneralAntillespupnik, problem is, I hate missing important things.
17:59.41hardakersolution: get everyone on slashdot to buy a n900
17:59.56timeless_mbpStskeeps: hey, can you try building my package? :)
17:59.56VDVsxGeneralAntilles, "Maemo is not a Latin word, therefore Latin pronunciation really doesn't apply.", well I say it using latin pronunciation and is exactly the same thing as the finns (I guess :D)
18:00.04timeless_mbpsince i can't given the current state of my vm
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18:00.10pupniknice idea lcuk
18:00.27t-tanqole: lzma is slower than bzip2 on your device??
18:00.32GeneralAntillesVDVsx, the Latin pronunciation I've seen proposed is "me-mo".
18:00.35GeneralAntillesWhich is just inane.
18:00.49Stskeepstimeless_mbp: if you tell me how to use a hg bundle :P
18:00.57timeless_mbpStskeeps: hg clone bundle dest
18:01.08VDVsxGeneralAntilles, ah right, we're read the "a" here that's the difference
18:01.11qolet-tan, yes, I don't know why yet
18:01.11pupniksay it like the finns do.  m-ah-e-mo
18:01.19timeless_mbpor hg init; hg unbundle bundle
18:01.27GeneralAntillespupnik, as do I.
18:01.38GeneralAntillespupnik, though it took me months to fix my Americanized pronunciation.
18:01.45t-tanqole: weird! and you really mean decompression?
18:01.48pupniksame here. "may-mo"
18:02.20GeneralAntillesStskeeps, you know Talk offers a real list markup, right? :P
18:02.29pupniki'd like a maemo.org cap or jacket
18:02.34GeneralAntilles[list][li][/li][/list]
18:02.44GeneralAntillespupnik, I've been pushing for caps for a while with no success.
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18:02.50GeneralAntillespupnik, damn Europeans just don't seem to get them.
18:02.57qolet-tan, yes, I am trying to find a better way to distribute the Easy Debian image
18:03.03StskeepsGeneralAntilles: yeah, but the original idea was to cross-post it on ML too but my wife came home and dragged me outside to get food :P
18:03.14pupnikdoesn't need to be a baseball cap - could be a thuggish black cap too
18:03.25t-tanqole: I've also uploaded xz-utils, maybe that's even better?
18:03.45GeneralAntillesStskeeps, copy-paste laziness.
18:04.00timeless_mbphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86
18:04.11Stskeepswonders why on earth tieto is demoing maemo 5.0 -alpha- on MWC and why they think triple-booting a beagleboard is conference-worthy
18:04.29timeless_mbpthat suggests M@ mo
18:04.52timeless_mbpmwc?
18:05.07qolet-tan, I am trying lzma, it took an hour to decompress...
18:05.48VDVsxtimeless_mbp, mobile world conference
18:05.56VDVsxnext week at Barcelona
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18:06.16t-tanqole: it took 8mins for the debian img on my device.
18:06.17qolet-tan, maybe using -9 for compression ratio made the decompression take longer, although I read that it shouldn't be that way for lzma
18:06.48qolet-tan it took 8 minutes to decompress what?
18:06.54t-tanqole: lzma is ideal for embedded devices.
18:07.22t-tanqole: the your easydeb image recompressed with lzma -9
18:08.04t-tanqole: did you decompress via pipe or directly? pipe seems to be much slower on N900
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18:09.16qolet-tan, I used "time" and went to bed, it said "real: 1 hour" maybe I should do it while watching...
18:10.01t-tanqole: interesting
18:10.03qoleI just used "lzma -kd" command,
18:10.48t-tanqole: could it be the filesystem? I decompressed on ext3
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18:11.51qolet-tan, using MyDocs, so vfat
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18:12.51qolet-tan, bzip2 takes 45 minutes in MyDocs... Trying again now, I'll watch it...
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18:13.03t-tanqole: ok. I'm going to decompress it on my SD later tonight
18:13.24t-tanqole: IIRC bzip2 took 15mins on ext3
18:13.29Unmenschlichhello, is there a repository with normal cli tools like less and nano
18:13.42JaffaStskeeps: You should see my shonky Perl script which turns the HTML of the MWKN front page into BBCode markup :-)
18:13.53Unmenschlichfor the n800 btw.
18:13.54t-tanUnmenschlich: extras*
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18:14.08qolet-tan, you don't have vfat MyDocs?
18:14.58t-tanqole: no, I repartitioned and only kept a very small vfat for testing
18:15.46timeless_mbpStskeeps:
18:15.53timeless_mbpbash: /usr/bin/lsb_release: Input/output error
18:16.01timeless_mbpi guess my file system is f*cked?
18:16.25Unmenschlicht-tan: I have extras enabled but it doesn't seem to provide me with packages that contain those programs
18:16.54Unmenschlichor do you mean extras devel?
18:17.01t-tanUnmenschlich: sorry, I thought you meant n900
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18:17.19ifreqUnmenschlich: prob on extras-testing or extras-devel
18:17.35ifreqyou enable them at your own risk
18:18.04Stskeepstimeless_mbp: looks like it, but also on a virtual HW wise
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18:18.08gjlI'm getting an hash sum mismatch error when I try to refresh the extras-devel repo. Am I the only one?
18:18.40qoleUnmenschlich, you did an apt-cache search with extras enabled?
18:19.46t-tanUnmenschlich: how searching on http://maemo.org/packages/ ?
18:20.39GeneralAntilleslol, talk.maemo.org is "Maemo forums" according to Engadget. . . .
18:21.09Unmenschlichqole: thanks, I forgot about using apt directly. Less has been found, nano hasn't, however, I'll look if more of my needed packages are available throught apt
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18:21.29timeless_mbpgjl: it happens regularly
18:21.38GeneralAntillesHopefully this means Nokia isn't going to continue blaming it on user-abuse. http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/nokia-n900-micro-usb-connectors-prone-to-failure/
18:22.55qoleUnmenschlich,  you could also try gronmayer, google gronmayer maemo
18:23.15GeneralAntillespico is in tools, isn't it.
18:23.18GeneralAntillesqole, gross.
18:23.49qole:rolleyes:
18:24.19GeneralAntillesGronmayer has caused me more support pain than any single other site on the internet.
18:25.32qoleIt says nano is in Chinook and Diablo/tools
18:25.48timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: heh
18:26.12t-tanqole: I've just finished decompressing the lzma debimg on SD - both input and output on the class 6 SD. time: real 7m 23.95s
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18:26.50t-tanqole: what's wrong with your device?
18:26.58timeless_mbprotfl
18:27.02timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: that's so bogus
18:27.15jacekowskidoes n900 have any power consumption measuring thingy?
18:27.17timeless_mbpMarkS's claim that is
18:27.25GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, yeah, clearly.
18:27.28timeless_mbpjacekowski: you can install some software
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18:27.45jacekowskii need something in hardware
18:27.48matthew-yo yo
18:27.53matthew-frals: here?
18:28.02matthew-or anyone, how do you create new APN ?
18:28.05jacekowskithat would show current draw from battery
18:28.15jacekowskimatthew-: you need to install app for it
18:28.32matthew-the fapn ?
18:28.38jacekowskiyeah
18:28.38matthew-no other choice?
18:28.44matthew-:/
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18:28.53jacekowskiyou can do it by editing files by hand
18:29.56matthew-lemme see./
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18:30.46qolet-tan, Mine's still going.... cpu is drowning here!
18:31.19t-tanqole: mine was on USB power
18:32.08lcukqole, wth are you running in there?
18:33.08lcukis it possible something like the network connection you are sshing in with is causing holdup
18:33.40lcukcos when debugging over ssh liqbase goes slow and has hangups because of wifi net traffic
18:33.48lcukt-tan, did you test over wifi or direct from console on device
18:33.55qolelcuk, I' trying to decompress a big file on my N900
18:34.03lcukyeah i know what you are trying to do
18:34.05t-tanlcuk: ssh over wifi
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18:34.28lcukim trying to see why one of you is flying through and the other isnt
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18:34.49t-tanlcuk: if you want to participate: download http://maemory.com/N900/easydeb/debian-m5-v2.img.ext2.lzma
18:35.30t-tanlcuk: install lzma from extras-devel, move the file to MyDocs, and then run "time lzma -kd file"
18:35.38lcuki cant im just trying to make sense of it
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18:36.18wizkoderhy everybody
18:37.08qolelcuk, are you tlking to me about ssh?
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18:40.03RST38h<yawn>
18:43.37sejohmm can you send pictures with mauku?
18:44.03sejoI'm looking for a maemo5 app that does twitter/identica and images and that works
18:46.29t-tanqole: BTW, the xz compressed file is 11MB smaller
18:47.30t-tanqole: bzip2 is already at 50% here
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18:53.31qolet-tan, I have a pre-production device, maybe I/O is slow
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18:54.14t-tanqole: I see. that could explain a lot
18:55.37t-tanqole: it's still interesting that it reverses the order of bzip2 and lzma
18:56.31qolet-tan, but I wish you had a stock MyDocs to test on.
18:57.25t-tanqole: do you have a SD card to test with? class 6 should be the same performance as eMMC
18:57.34dracflamlocwohh
18:57.35dracflamlocwtf
18:57.50dracflamlocmy phone battery after a reboot went from ~40% to 13%
18:58.22SpeedEvilThe percentage is dramatically inaccurate at best
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18:59.36dracflamlocyea thats the first time ive seen that kind of jump though
19:00.09qoleI guess I that my N900 isn't normal here...
19:00.33RST38hqole: slow emmc?
19:00.55t-tandracflamloc: yes, booting takes a lot of energy and the voltage decay is non-linear
19:01.21SpeedEvil30% jumps are not uncommon
19:01.30dracflamlocyikes
19:01.45dracflamlocwelli thought i was good for the day... guess not =(
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19:03.32t-tanqole: bzip2 decompression, same conditions: real13m 20.78s
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19:08.50lingling92hi, anyone know, how to write this symbol with the n900:  ^
19:09.28fralsfn + ctrl and pick it from the dialog that pops up?
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19:10.46lingling92thank you, i will try it
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19:12.14lingling92ok thx it works... never knew about this function
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19:17.11qoleRST38h, apparently yes, I have a slow emmc. But I think it is system wide, because my class 6 microSD is slow too
19:17.56qolekilling decompression, my system is too slow...
19:19.12Shapeshifteruhm the wiki says installing ssh and accessing from remote using root@<ip> should be enough, but I still need to enter a pw obviously. do I need to passwd as root or something?
19:19.18Shapeshifteror is there a default password?
19:19.44RST38hqole: It is most likely the controller again
19:19.54t-tanqole: xz CPU load is < 10%
19:20.07RST38hqole: On N8x0, class6 was kinda useless as the controller has not reached class4 speeds
19:20.44qoleRST38h, is there something I can do here to diagnose my problem?
19:21.04qolet-tan, xz is what?
19:21.29t-tanqole: xz is the latest and best compressor, successor of lzma
19:21.59qoleMaybe I should try that? In extras-devel?
19:22.15t-tanqole: yes, package xz-utils
19:22.38aSIMULAtorevening
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19:25.18RST38hqole: Not much. It is same for eveyrone
19:25.22RST38hHello, Asimula
19:25.42RST38hwonders if there are class4 or class6 16GB microSDs
19:25.44fralsShapeshifter: you shouldve gotten a dialog asking you to set a rootpass when installing openssh-server, i imagine
19:25.48RST38hFroogle does not show any
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19:26.37luke-jrmaybe the handheld world should have stuck with CompactFlash :(
19:27.04qoleRST38h, t-tan is claiming very fast decompression speeds, 4x or 5x faster than mine...!
19:27.25luke-jrqole: on flash?
19:27.39luke-jrdecompress it to RAM perhaps
19:27.47qoleluke-jr, eMMC and flash
19:27.54Shapeshifterfrals: I didn't. Now I' just did passwd as root and set one
19:28.00Shapeshifterseems like that's okay.
19:28.04ShapeshifterHow can I reinstall microb?
19:28.22Shapeshifterand get rid of all the configs? moving .mozilla didn't solve my problem (microb not loading anything)
19:28.26qoleluke-jr, this is a 2GB file :)
19:28.52RST38hqole: what are yours?
19:29.03ShadowJKmaybe yours is swapping out alot
19:29.12RST38hoh wait
19:29.19RST38hqole: Have you tried rebooting the device?
19:29.59qolesomeone on talk just reported 2 hours to extract the bzipped 2G file !!
19:30.07t-tanRST38h: I've just rebooted as xz decompression on SD got stuck. weird
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19:30.16drizztbsdhi
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19:30.21qoleRST38h, yes and I wiggled the cables.
19:30.26drizztbsdcan I remove the album name in RDS?
19:30.30RST38hA Radio Shack just exploded with a big ball of fire in Manhattan
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19:30.43t-tanqole: does that mean I got the N900++, the fast Nokia phone on earth? :)
19:30.55RST38hweird
19:31.00qolet-tan, apparently YES
19:31.17ShadowJKvmstat is great :-(
19:31.49ShadowJKor you could echo 1 >/proc/sys/vm/swappiness
19:31.54ShadowJKbefore uncompressing
19:32.17wazd's bored and making an iTheme
19:32.32Shapeshiftermh. the n900's apt/package management is messed up http://pastie.org/820584
19:32.35RST38hahahaha
19:32.35t-tanafter rebooting top reports Mem: 213392K used, 31980K free, 0K shrd, 22936K buff, 73028K cached
19:32.43RST38hwazd: Screenshot or it didn't happen! =)
19:32.46t-tannow I'm repeating xz decompression
19:32.52Shapeshifterhow can a package which is even provided by default by nokia contain such info
19:32.52qolewazd, do you have an N900 finally?
19:33.03wazdqole: no
19:33.22qolewazd, what?! why?
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19:33.34luke-jr...
19:33.41luke-jrqole: you didn't give us one
19:33.45Stskeepswazd: when are you coming by poland btw? :)
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19:33.47qolehahaha
19:33.52Stskeeps(congrats on the passport)
19:33.59wazdqole: cruel world :D
19:34.05wazdStskeeps: thx :)
19:34.08wazdStskeeps: asap :)
19:35.12wazdRST38h: well, http://s003.radikal.ru/i204/1002/35/5f1388beb169.png
19:35.19wazdRST38h: kinda :)
19:36.04RST38hwazd: cooolio =)
19:36.27RST38hglad to see Vista-like glossy buttons being replaced by plain iphone heresy
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19:36.52johnsqhi
19:36.53wazdRST38h: it's relatively easy to make a theme that's based on something existing :)
19:37.05wazdRST38h: no need to play with properties for hours :)
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19:37.54RST38hsteampunk! steampunk! =)
19:37.55cehtehuhm ... if you a bored do a 'outdoor' theme .. white background, black text high contrast colored buttons, big readable fonts
19:38.47wazdRST38h: Well, steampuk requires not only hours of playing with properties, but also weeks of drawing artwork :)
19:39.01threshwaves
19:39.08wazdRST38h: not sure that this masterpiece will worth it
19:39.16wazdthresh: heya
19:39.46threshvlc for n900 compiled: check
19:39.51threshtime to have fun
19:41.34zashthresh: omg!
19:41.35qolet-tan, VERY INTERESTING, my microsd just returned a 10 minute decompression time!!!
19:42.20t-tanqole: you must have a turbo charged SD! :)
19:42.34RST38h\~
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19:42.59threshbrb, gran turismo calls
19:43.12RST38hthresh: has it got ui too?
19:43.14t-tanqole: so it's only your eMMC that is so slow
19:43.49threshRST38h: that's what i'm trying to compile now
19:44.19t-tanqole: I think the noob in the forum tried to extract it on his PC
19:45.08qoleso how to fix eMMC?
19:45.18t-tanqole: interesting: xz is slower than lzma:  real9m 26.28s
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19:46.33luke-jrt-tan: so?
19:46.40luke-jrbetter compression is slower
19:46.43luke-jrthat's not exactly news
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19:47.27t-tanluke-jr: no, it's just decompressing, and has to process less input
19:48.00Stskeepsluke-jr: but regarding those components, feel free to start preparing forms as described
19:48.13Stskeepsi don't mind having content available when we start having a queue
19:48.24t-tanluke-jr: both lzma and xz are optimized for high-speed decompression
19:49.30qolefsck.vfat -fy /dev/mmcblk0p1 returned no errors...
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19:52.32Stskeepsneat, finland is on google street view
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19:54.48JaffaGah, I've got so much Maemo work to do this weekend. Must avoid tmo to avoid disspiritation (that could be a word)
19:55.55GeneralAntillesJaffa, good plan.
19:56.34JaffaGeneralAntilles: I'll stick an interim issue.txt up tonight so we can avoid the traditional Sunday rush
19:56.44GeneralAntillesCool
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19:56.46t-tanqole: you could try the fs benchmarks bonnie++, postmark or iozone3
19:56.57zashcould vlc stream the camera + audio over udp to some host?
19:56.58Jaffa's thought is that council election timetable may be fronted
19:57.09zashcause that's what we use for broadcasting tv here
19:57.51SpeedEvilpasses Jaffa some strong spirits to help with avoiding dispiritation.
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19:59.31JaffaSpeedEvil: Exceeeeleent :)
19:59.47RST38hsuggests "transdickification" for this occassion
20:00.14qolezash, yes, it could, AFAIK
20:00.30RST38hAs in "Have been busy proving tmo posters wrong, when I suddenly felt myself a dick"
20:00.36JaffaRST38h: Surely that'd involve the movement of dickishness?
20:00.43RST38hJaffa: see above
20:01.20RST38hkeeps from commenting on tmo lately due to this exact feeling
20:01.36qolegoing onto wifi...
20:02.01Jaffaread the quote wrong the second time. But then he has a bad mind.
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20:17.37mashiarapython gtk geniuses around ?
20:18.48threshRST38h: well, gui kinda works
20:18.57threshi see nothing on buttons though
20:19.16mashiaraI'm trying to change background of a button but the eventbox tricks do not seem to work
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20:19.36mashiaraand yes, I have a good reason to break the theme
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20:21.05petterii made as simple windget based on the example widget found from repositories (lib-timeout-home-winget), it uses GtkVbox and GtkLabel with text in it. Any tips how to get the windget transparent, or where to look for examples/documentation?
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20:39.17gjlwhat package provides qtgui?
20:39.29gjlthe python module
20:40.20tripzeropython-qt4?
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20:48.07gjlfound it: python2.5-qt4-gui
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20:48.34jaemgood morning, folks
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20:49.21qolet-tan, I just got 23 mins on eMMC. Would the size of /tmp have any effect on speed?
20:54.35jacekowskihow to make video call on n900?
20:54.38tripzeroqole, shouldn't, unless /tmp was a ramdrive thingy of some sort
20:55.02Stskeepsit's a tmpfs
20:55.18tripzerowhich is in memory right?
20:55.49jacekowskiyes
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20:56.16jacekowskibut i think tmpfs have builtin purge feature of some kind
20:56.28jacekowskithat it starts deleting files when more memory is required
20:56.39qoleI want to know if lzma decompression would speed up with a bigger /tmp
20:56.45jacekowskino
20:56.50jacekowskiit's done in ram
20:57.08qoleI wonder why it got faster for me.
20:57.14jacekowskionly thing that could speed it up is faster cpu/memory/source disk/destination disk
20:57.38jacekowskiwhat have you done to make it faster?
20:58.09qolelast night, on an otherwise idle N900 it took over an hour. Today, it took 23 minutes.
20:58.53jacekowskimaybe there was something using memory?
20:58.57qolethis is MyDocs. .. mmc1 was even faster 10 mins...
20:59.03jacekowskilzma needs quite a bit memory to decompress stuff
20:59.28jacekowskiand how do you know that it was idle?
20:59.34jacekowskihave you checked load average?
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21:02.11jaemwhoever fixed this is my hero :) => https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635
21:02.12povbotBug 1635: Eduroam (EAP-TTLS+PAP) WiFi auth
21:02.14pupnikmy load average is 3.5 koreks
21:02.31jaemit's only been, what... 2 years?
21:02.31jaemlol
21:02.39pupniknice fix
21:02.40jaemqole, question for you
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21:03.18jacekowskikoreks?
21:03.22qolejaem, hey
21:04.07jaemqole, I took a look at the FM TX datasheet, and 118 was listed as "typical", not maximum.  Did you find any other documents that clarified that?
21:04.13pupnik<PROTECTED>
21:04.21jaemthe notation in the table was a bit unusual, in my experience
21:05.19qolejaem, no, I know very little about the matter, I just packaged a hack from talk.maemo.org
21:05.30jaemah, okay
21:05.37jaemI thought you'd looked it up in the first place
21:05.45jaemwho was it that published the hack in the first place?
21:06.09jaemdo you recall the username?
21:06.27qolejaem, I saw reports that setting any hugher value has no extra benefit
21:06.30SpeedEviljaem: 118 is maximum
21:06.41SpeedEviljaem: it does not allow - the kernel driver - >118 to be set
21:06.45jaemSpeedEvil, for the N900, or in the hardware?
21:06.48jaemor do we not know?
21:06.49jaemah, I see
21:07.03SpeedEvilthere are comments in the driver code that 118 is hardware max
21:07.10Shapeshifterso, anyone else noticed the icq telepathy plugin is not working atm?
21:07.14jaemI wasn't sure how much abstraction the kernel layered onto the I2C devices
21:07.16SpeedEvilhowever - the datasheet for the fmtx is not published
21:07.23qolethread 38582
21:07.24Shapeshifterhappens from time to time, just asking if I'm not the only one
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21:07.42jaemSpeedEvil, maybe not the full one, but I'm pretty sure I found a decent product brief with technical information
21:07.46SpeedEvilhttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter - has some comments and real-world tests of low-power FM transmitters
21:07.54SpeedEviljaem: more than 2 pages?
21:07.56jaemqole, SpeedEvil thanks
21:08.03jaemSpeedEvil, no
21:08.06jaemso not the full one
21:08.23jaembut it was better than some briefs I've seen, which were solely written by the marketing department ;)
21:08.49qolehttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38582
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21:09.13threshwhere does apt fetches the lists on update?
21:09.48jaemthresh, do you mean where from, or where does it store them?
21:10.07threshoh, sorry for not being clear. where does it store those.
21:10.15jaemI believe it's /var/lib/apt/lists
21:10.21jaemyep
21:10.30jaemI just checked on Kubuntu, and it should be the same for Maemo, methinks
21:10.39threshshould probably move that to /opt somewhere
21:10.53threshthanks
21:14.04jaemyou're welcome ;)
21:14.14jaemI didn't actually know off the top of my head, so I'm glad you made me check
21:14.15jaemheh
21:14.55threshi'm hitting https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8702 also, any idea?
21:14.56povbotBug 8702: GPG error when updating Extras from repository.maemo.org
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21:19.56ShapeshifterSo, I still can't get microb to work again on my n900. I don't know what triggered it, but it's broken. It doesn't load anything and I can't get into the options menu or use any other menu entries. I tried reinstalling microb-engine and microb-engine-common but that didn't do anything. I also moved ~/.mozilla away but that didn't even reset the config
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21:20.25ShapeshifterI only surfed about 10 minutes since I got it. Maybe installing ABP triggered the problem. I uninstalled ABP already, though.
21:20.26luke-jrmutters about non-free software.
21:20.56Stskeepswhat about it?
21:21.57sandmanShapeshifter: what does it say when you run it from terminal?
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21:24.28luke-jrStskeeps: it's negatively impacting my ability to troubleshoot my connection
21:25.59ShadowJKlol
21:26.39ShadowJKwhat kind of connection?
21:27.27luke-jrcable
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21:28.06ShadowJKI thought the software stack didn't even know how to use a cbale
21:28.14lcukluke-jr, why havent you got a wrt-45XB super linux router thing
21:28.15ShadowJKatleast it doesn't know how to use my usb-ethernet adapter :/
21:28.29luke-jrlcuk: because no such thing exists
21:28.41ShadowJKwrt-54gl
21:28.44lcuki thought everyone put linux on their router things
21:28.47ShadowJKmine kinda sucks in range
21:28.49luke-jrlcuk: and it's not my router that's the problem anyway
21:28.53luke-jrit's the cable modem
21:28.58ShadowJKbut im not sure if it's running at 10mW instead of 100 or something
21:28.59luke-jrwhich runs some proprietary blob
21:29.27lcukmy old 56k modem was like that
21:29.30ShadowJKIt's probably your neighbours fault, they're trying to steal free cable
21:29.33lcukit would make funny noises
21:29.34luke-jrand I can only get Linux to boot w/ serial console, not talk to teh ISP
21:29.34luke-jr:/
21:29.39lcukand internet would happen
21:29.56MohammadAGtrting to disassemble my qwerty assy
21:30.09MohammadAGit's not going too well
21:30.22ShadowJKare you following the instructions?
21:30.33MohammadAGstill don't see a reason for it leaking or creaking
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21:30.46tremnite all, sweet dreams
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21:30.50lcukluke-jr, im sure if my mum can make her modem work without source, you can
21:30.55Shapeshiftersandman: uhmm, what's the name of microb? it's not "microb"
21:31.00MohammadAGi don't want to disassemb;e the whole phone
21:31.03ShapeshifterI mean the executable for launching from the term
21:31.04luke-jrShadowJK: possible, but I'm too lazy to get my public AP working, so it's encrypted atm
21:31.23luke-jrlcuk: key word is reliable
21:31.23ShadowJKShapeshifter, browser
21:31.34ShapeshifterShadowJK: ah thanks
21:31.39MohammadAGbrowserd?
21:31.52ShapeshifterIt says "error: invalid string constant "osso-combobox-entry-arrow", expected valid string constant
21:32.29MohammadAGthinking about gluing it lol
21:32.46Shapeshiftersandman: ^
21:32.52MohammadAGor just breaking the assy and buying another one
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21:34.30sandmani am not a n900 user yet... but there is your problem. Is there a package called osso-"something"
21:34.44sandmani can't check it up
21:35.22sandmanmaybe reinstalling the osso-thing solves it
21:35.30satmdwonders who fuggy_n900 is
21:35.43satmdbecause that one appeared on another net in my chan
21:36.06Shapeshiftersandman: there'se dozens of "osso-things" in apt
21:37.06sandmanohh..
21:38.00sandmani googled it and found this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-10-29.log.html
21:38.19sandmanit talkes about a qdesktopservices
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21:38.42Shapeshifteryeah I also found that
21:38.49ShapeshifterI think he wants to launch an external url or something
21:38.58Shapeshifteranyway, I see ps -a | grep browser shows a couple of processes
21:39.02ShapeshifterI guess I'll just kill them
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21:39.36Shapeshifterbrowserd -s 1934 -n browserui and browserd -d and browserd -s 14183 -n RTComMessaginServer
21:39.39Shapeshifterand two browser
21:40.36Shapeshifterhuh why are they still there. pkill -9 browser; pkill -9 browserd didn't kill them
21:40.42Shapeshifterbut they're not defunct
21:41.07Shapeshifterkillall only killed one of them -..-
21:41.24Kegetysor they got restarted after getting killed?
21:41.43gouverneurShapeshifter: killed my system yesterday with killing stuff i thought should not be running
21:41.54ShapeshifterKegetys: that's it, yes. if I 'kill' the pid manually I see another one relaunching
21:42.16ShapeshifterI just want the damn browser "backend" or whatever is running to restart ^^
21:42.21Shapeshifterlooks in /etc/init.d
21:42.59Shapeshifter-.-
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21:44.14SpeedEvilShapeshifter: you're looking for bme-lauch
21:44.18ifreqeyes the channel
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21:45.06SpeedEvil#/usr/sbin/dsmetool -c 3 -T 180 -m -17 -t "/usr/sbin/browserd -d"
21:45.06SpeedEvil/usr/sbin/dsmetool  -m -17 -o "/usr/sbin/browserd -d"
21:45.32SpeedEvil<PROTECTED>
21:45.34SpeedEvilerr
21:45.49SpeedEvil<PROTECTED>
21:45.58ShapeshifterSpeedEvil: interesting article ;)
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21:46.46SpeedEvildsmetool is the thing that does the main restarting of crap
21:46.48mak89kcan i write applications for maemo using QT or do i need esbox.
21:46.55ShapeshifterSpeedEvil: okay
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21:48.09Shapeshifterwell that pretty much rebooted my device
21:48.43Shapeshiftermak89k: you can use Qt
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21:49.01mak89kwhich is more user friendly?
21:49.03SpeedEvilif you've been killing browserd - then after 180s window in which it's died 3 times - it will reboot
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21:49.20mak89ki am noob i have jus downloaded the maemo 5 sdk
21:49.31SuPrSluGcan i update the maemo from the cli?
21:50.13lcukSuPrSluG, you could try, its not the recommended way tho
21:50.13Shapeshiftermak89k: "user"? you mean, for you to code?
21:50.25Shapeshiftermak89k: it's complete matter of taste. I prefer Qt over gtk for once.
21:50.27mak89kyes yes :)
21:50.52mak89kthere will be no poratability issues rt?
21:50.58mak89kportability*
21:51.03lcukrt?
21:51.14Shapeshiftermak89k: ah, I just looked up esbox. I don't like eclipse. No clues about it really.
21:51.33Shapeshiftermak89k: you can code anything you like really, any way you like, as long as it runs/compiles on ARM.
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21:52.00mak89k(esbox) i don like it either ... it very heavy ..
21:52.16Shapeshiftermak89k: you sure don't have to use it.
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21:52.49lcukmak89k, what development stuff have you done in the past?  is it your job?   what do you work in
21:52.58SuPrSluGlcuk, what way is best?
21:53.33lcukSuPrSluG, after backing up everything using the backup tool, i just use app manager
21:53.35mak89ki am in UG ... was jus checking out the environment.. have lil experience in android
21:53.44lcuki use console for extras-updates and things
21:53.48lcukbut not for OS ones
21:53.57lcukUG?
21:54.08mak89kunder graduate.
21:54.11mak89k:P
21:54.40SuPrSluGlcuk, I thought I did that, but it show Nokia-N900-42-11 which is old?
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21:55.24Shapeshiftermak89k: If you want to do some GUI stuff, I'd recommend coding in python and pyside (Qt)
21:55.29lcukumm you know, i use those numbersevery day
21:55.38lcukbut i havent got a clue which is which
21:55.48lcukwrt released/name
21:55.58fralsif you want something fast, you dont want python
21:56.00w00t42- is initial release, 51- is pr1.1
21:56.10lcukthanks w00t
21:56.11fralshostname isnt updated when you upgrade to pr1.1
21:56.27mak89kShapeshifter: ok .. il have to learn python now!!
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21:56.58lcukfrals, its possible to use python quickly
21:57.01SuPrSluGfrom a terminal how can I tell which version I'm running?
21:57.10lcukits just not ever done
21:57.17frals;)
21:57.41frals~curse semaphores and java
21:57.42infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, semaphores and java !
21:57.47Shapeshiftermak89k: very easy.
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21:59.01mak89kShapeshifter: :) i shld get started with it!! recommend any tutorials for python?
21:59.27lcukmak89k, all the regular python tuts should work
21:59.43lcukand most of the time they will just work on your desktop and your tablet
22:01.14Shapeshiftermak89k: for python I recommend the official tutorial (http://docs.python.org/tutorial/) and I don't know any pyside tuts as I learned using qt with pyqt, but I'm guessing pyside is rather similar. A nice pyqt tutorial is here: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/
22:01.53mak89kShapeshifter: awesome thanks a lot!!! :)
22:02.00Shapeshifterand I'd say for Qt just stick to the C++ API docs, I'd say the Qt API is superb
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22:07.34ShapeshifterMh. No curl in the repos :(
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22:08.27port21Yo
22:08.48port21Wondering if anyone can help me with a youtube problem on the n900 :)
22:09.03SpeedEvilport21: What problem?
22:09.21port21Basically, ive seen on youtube how people have access youtube and its displayed how it would display on a desktop, but i cant get it to come out of mobile view
22:09.26pupnikbtw, mytube works great on PC if you don't want to install flash
22:09.43SpeedEvilAlso. Woo! Angrybirds all 21 level 1 and 2  ***.
22:09.52port21tfor some reason im stuck with the mobile view stylesheet
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22:10.29port21SpeedEvil, you got any ideas?
22:10.46SpeedEvilport21: what do you mean 'mobile view stylesheet'
22:10.51SpeedEviloh
22:10.58SpeedEvilI'd try clearing any cookies?
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22:11.41jaemmmm... cookies
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22:11.57sandmanpoert21: could it have been with another browser? (i am a noob on n900)
22:12.30port21ive tried clearing cookies, ive tried it with the n900 built in browser and firefox on there too
22:12.39jaemport21, I"m not aware of a mobile page for Youtube.  Is there one, are are you just referring to CSS layout modifications?
22:12.52jaeme.g. removing sidebars, etc.
22:12.54port21m.youtube.com i think if the url
22:12.57jaemah
22:13.00port21*is
22:13.04jaemand it redirects you to there?
22:13.07port21yep
22:13.10jaemhmm
22:13.12jaemmaybe that's new
22:13.12port21even if i click to change to destop
22:13.40port21hmm
22:13.40jaemI've found some sites that don't know what to do with the Maemo 5 browser, because it reports itself as a desktop-class browser on a mobile device
22:13.43port21pretty lame if it is
22:13.43jaemsome sites get confused
22:13.48jaemcan you try with Tear?
22:13.55port21Tear?
22:14.05jaemTear lets you set the useragent string to anything you want, say, desktop Firefox
22:14.18jaemyeah, it's another browser which isn't stable for the N900 yet
22:14.32jaembut it works more or less, and it would allow you to check a few things
22:14.47port21nice. i'll check it out
22:15.02jaemport21, do you know how to change useragent strings?
22:15.10port21cant say i do
22:15.11port21lol
22:15.15GeneralAntillesJaffa, you need to con some more sub-editors. :P
22:15.40jophishwhat conditions must be met in order for MyDocs to show up in any standard save dialog, or file manager. Or better yet, is there any way in which I can get /home/user to show up in them (apart from with a symbolic link on the external card.
22:15.48port21<PROTECTED>
22:15.57sandmanport21: if you write "about:config" in firefox you could change the useragent
22:16.04simuladoes anyone know of a tutorial for packaging a simple Qt project into a .deb?  x86 to start with... working my way to arm
22:16.07jaemport21, it's in the Tear options.  Essentially, a useragent string is what the browser sends with web requests to identify itself and/or the device
22:16.12greenflythere's also a package in either testing or devel that lets you change useragent easily
22:16.21jaemthat's how sites know if you're using a dumbphone, an iPhone, or a real phone
22:16.23jaem;)
22:16.25jaemor a desktop
22:16.32jaemetc.
22:16.35jaemgreenfly, I vaguely thought I'd heard of that
22:16.39port21yeah, i got ya, ive used it before. :)
22:16.42jaemthat might be worth trying first, port21
22:17.05jaemsimula, Debian packaging specifically, or Maemo's guidelines?
22:17.12jaemalso, which language is your app in?
22:17.30simulajaem, i was thinking generic debian to start with... c++
22:17.52port21jaem, what am i looking for in about:config?
22:18.05jaemsimula, well, there are some tutorials, and I'll try to find one, but you'll want to read up one the actual Guidelines, too
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22:18.12sandmanport21: write useragent
22:18.23jaemDebian has theirs, and Maemo has a slightly modified set of Guidelines on top of it, IIRC
22:18.43port21jaem, no results for useragent
22:18.54jaemsimula, as for ARM, if you're using Qt, and nothing weird, then it shouldn't be much work to cross-compile
22:19.08jaemport21, this is in microB, or whatever they call the stock browser these days?
22:19.19jaemsimula, give me a sec
22:19.30simulajaem... i'm working my way through the "Debian New Maintainers' Guide", but it's relatively slow going
22:19.46jaemyeah, Debian packaging is quite pedantic, unfortunately
22:19.49jaembe glad you're not doing RPMs
22:19.50jaemheh
22:19.55simulaheh :)
22:20.24jaemme, I like my Arch packages... nice and simple, no frills, and quick to write and test
22:20.29port21got 4 results from useragent, im assuming useragent.vendor is what im after?
22:20.39jaemport21, I'll check
22:20.53port21thats the only one that mentions maemo and N900
22:20.59lcukjaem, can say the same about debian once you understand it
22:21.06sandmanport21: strange.. when i write it shows "general.useragent.extra.firefox" and is set for "Firefox/3.6" on my Ubuntu machine
22:21.09jaemhmm, it looks like FF breaks the string down into pieces
22:21.20port21it sasandman, jaem told me to use the stock browser
22:21.23jaemlcuk, oh, probably, but I still would argue that's it's more pedantic
22:21.36sandmanport21: ahh ok
22:21.47jaemport21, well, you can try Tear or something else - I was just advising you try what you have first
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22:22.00port21i googled around and couldnt find anyone else having the same problem
22:22.02port21tis odd
22:22.12jaemcan you paste (or pastebin, if it's long) what shows up for a query of "useragent" in about:config
22:22.20jaemI'll doublecheck with a couple of browsers now
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22:22.34jaemsimula, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html looks decent
22:22.40jaemI think that's what I used originally
22:22.48jaemI'm not sure how up to date it is, though
22:23.13port21jaem, it says "Firefox/3.5 Maemo Browser 1.5.6 RX-51 N900"
22:23.18jaemport21, out of curiousity, are you logged into Google/Youtube when you're visiting this page?
22:23.21simulaok, thanks jaem, i appreciate the help
22:23.24lcuksimula, lots of people take an existing package thats similar and hack from there
22:23.32port21jame, ive tried both, clearing cookies between tries
22:23.37jaemlcuk, good point
22:23.38simulai'm considering that lcuk :)
22:23.46lcukits not hte best approach
22:23.54lcukbut along with your reading
22:23.56lcukit might help
22:24.04jaemlcuk, isn't there also a command to autogenerate a skeleton set of buildscripts?
22:24.17lcukyeah lol
22:24.20lcuki cant remember tho
22:24.27jaem...so, the Olympic torch went through my campus this morning... it made me late for my exam
22:24.31lcuki have a clicky button inside visual basic to do that for me
22:24.42simulajaem, i think it's dh_make
22:24.50jaemand all it was was a guy running with a burning stick :P  The sponsors put on a better show
22:24.53jaemstill neat, though
22:24.58jaemsimula, sounds about right
22:25.51lcukponders ogl liqbase
22:26.34jaemport21, hmm... worksforme in the stock browser
22:28.00port21thats so weird
22:28.07port21so you get the full desktop experience?
22:28.26port21scroll to the bottom to mobile and click that, and you'll see howi see it.
22:28.29jaemport21, up
22:28.32jaemsure, give me a sec
22:28.48port21i click on a video, and it opens up my media player to play it fullscreen, thats nice, but i want in browser viewing
22:28.49port21=P
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22:29.10port21jaem, are you using firefox or the maemo browser that came with the phone?
22:29.17jaemthe stock browser
22:29.24jaemI'll try it with Tear momentarily
22:29.28jaemI don't have Firefox installld
22:29.36port21ive tried with the stock browser and firefox
22:29.43port21both same result
22:29.49port21i doubt tear would be any different?
22:30.09jaemprobably not, but I'm curious
22:30.11jaemhmm
22:30.13jaemthat really is odd
22:30.27jaemwhen did this start?
22:30.59port21since i got the phone 2 days ago
22:31.06jaem-shrug-
22:31.11sandmanmaybe if he delete everything but "Firefox/3.5"?
22:31.23sandmaninabout:config
22:31.24jaemthat might be worth trying, actually
22:31.24SpeedEvilport21: odd. Does it do it over wifi and cell?
22:31.32jaemSpeedEvil, I was just going to ask that
22:31.33port21yeah. same result
22:31.51jaemgiven the site, I wouldn't be surprised if some carriers might think of messing with your requests
22:31.54SpeedEvilport21: is this a generic n900 - or is it bought theough an opeatror?
22:31.56jaemto save bandwidth
22:32.03jaemit would be evil, but it wouldn't surprise me
22:32.05port21bought through vodafone.
22:32.09SpeedEvilaha!
22:32.19port21gah, i was afraid of that, lol
22:32.24SpeedEvilI would next try flashing it to the stock firmware
22:32.38jaemnods
22:32.43SpeedEvilDoes it have any explicit branding / vodafone apps?
22:33.06jaemand if it suddenly magically works, then go raise heck about it
22:33.06jaemthat sort of thing isn't cool, if that's what they're doing
22:33.06Shapeshifterif I delete ICQ (or other IM protocol) contacts from the n900 contacts list, will they get deleted from the ICQ,... servers?
22:33.09port21rather frustrating cos i sign out of my youtube account and it says "this page does not have a mobile version, view desktop version?", then i tap it and it takes me back to the home page in mobile version.
22:33.26jaemseriously, though, if they're messing with your web requests, make noise about it
22:33.33port21no, its just a normal n900 just on contract
22:34.13SpeedEvilwhat does settings->about list as the softwareve reiosn?
22:34.13SpeedEvilversion
22:35.14port21in the phones settings or browser settings?
22:35.32sandmancould it be a filter vodafone are using for mobile devices?
22:35.38SpeedEvilphones
22:35.45SpeedEvilsandman: he/she said it did it on mobile and fixed line
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22:36.04port212.2009.51-1.205.1
22:36.12qolejaem, I'm considering going to see the torch come thru my campus tonight... Not worth it?
22:36.12port21maemo 5
22:36.35SpeedEvilInteresting
22:36.40jaemqole, unless there's more fanfare than there was up on the hill, I wouldn't say it's worth going anywhere
22:36.50SpeedEvilmy version is 51-1.203.2
22:36.53jaemif you live nearby, then it might be worth it just to say you saw it
22:37.05jaembut as I said, it really comes down to a guy running past with a burning stick
22:37.05port21any way to force an update? thats how i updated my old t mobile G1
22:37.28port21hell, i'll run pas your campus with a burning stick :D sounds like fun.
22:37.35SpeedEvil205.1 would seem to be more recent
22:37.41jaemwhen does it go through at YouBeeSee?
22:37.41jaemer... UBC
22:38.23port21oh, would also like to mention by the way that im in the UK. =P
22:38.39port21not sure how that might effect it, but its a possibility
22:38.42jaemport21, it'd be a long run
22:38.52jaemand yes, I know you're in the UK, thanks to the Wonders of Technology
22:38.56port21lol, that wasnt in reference to the torch, more my problem
22:39.01port21lol
22:39.07jaemwell, it would affect both matters
22:39.10jaem:)
22:39.11port21yeah dude, wasnt sure if you'd seen.
22:39.14port21haha
22:39.30port21pay me the same amount as the olypic dude and i'll run across water to ya
22:39.31port21lol
22:39.42jaemhmm, well, there was another carrier in the UK that was doing evil things to save bandwidth, so I don't suppose it's out of the question
22:39.58port21yeah
22:40.26jaemI forget who, but they got some bad press a year or so ago when they proxied all images through a server running high-level GIF compression
22:40.32jaemit was painful, from the pictures I saw
22:40.50jaemand that was the basis of their ad campaign saying that they had the fastest Internet service on their phones
22:40.52jaemyikes
22:41.08SpeedEvilIs there any way to get a textual output of all package versions?
22:41.12SpeedEvilapt-cache somehow?
22:41.19jaemSpeedEvil, you'd want dpkg-query, and yes probably
22:41.21jaemoh wait
22:41.24jaemall installed, or in the repos?
22:41.54SpeedEvilI meant on the phone
22:42.03jaeminstalled, then?
22:42.04SpeedEvilso we could compare port21's versions with the normal
22:42.07jaemyou'd have to use dpkg-query
22:42.10port21jaem, yeah, i think that was T mobile.
22:42.19jaemand I always forget the switches, because they were non-obvious
22:42.32jaemport21, I think I heard of something different, but it also sounds like something T-Mo would pull
22:42.47jaem...when they're not suing bloggers over colour schemes
22:42.49jaemhaha
22:43.01port21actally, it could be vodafone, theyve been going crazy with advertising lately about their internet speeds ;/
22:43.03SpeedEvilport21: dpkg-query -l >out
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22:43.16SpeedEvilthen pastebin or copy out somewhere public might be interesting
22:43.34port212 secs, restarting phone.
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22:43.36jophishwhat conditions must be met in order for MyDocs to show up in any standard save dialog, or file manager. Or better yet, is there any way in which I can get /home/user to show up in them (apart from with a symbolic link on the external card.
22:43.47jaemSpeedEvil, do the carriers have their own repos for custom things, then, or does Nokia host them?
22:43.54jaemor do they just not update things...
22:43.55SpeedEviljaem: I have no idea.
22:44.09SpeedEviljaem: The version on port21s phone is later than on mine
22:44.13SpeedEvilor apparantly
22:44.15jaemhmm... I'm wondering because it might affect the versioning
22:44.20SpeedEvilyeah - true
22:44.35jaemSpeedEvil, I think that's a version suffix, similar to n.n.n-xmaemoy
22:44.48SpeedEvilsounds not implausible
22:44.56port21SpeedEvil, it might, in that case, be carrier specific firmware
22:44.57jaemthe last part probably isn't set by Nokia, at least not in the same sense
22:45.02jaemport21, that's my guess
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22:45.16jaemthe suffix doesn't fit with Nokia's usual versioning scheme, as far as I've seen
22:46.07jaemI'm going to grab some lunch, but I'll be around - poke me if you figure out anything, please
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22:46.35jon1012ui-wise, on maemo, what is the best way to represent tabs ?
22:46.54jaemjon1012, hmm... it's not a common UI element
22:46.57jaemdid you check the HIG?
22:47.03jon1012yeah
22:47.07jon1012and I don't find anything like that
22:47.18jaemdid it disallow them, or just not mention them?
22:47.34wazdwho wants to test an iTheme for maemo 5? :P
22:47.34jon1012just not mention and somehow tell its discouraged
22:47.46jon1012wazd: itheme ?
22:47.51jaemwazd, I would, but I'd have to burn my phone afterward :P
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22:47.56jaemscreenshots?
22:48.07jon1012my problem : user can do a search for places (bars/restaurants) in an area... and I want to let the user switch betwen map and listing views
22:48.11wazdjaem: don't forget to take a shower :D
22:48.26jaemjon1012, would the normal "stacked window" approach be unsuitable?
22:48.31jaemas in the mail client
22:48.31jon1012jaem: yeah :(
22:48.41jon1012jaem: as there is search, then place view
22:48.41wazdjaem: I actually can't take a screenshots, as you remember, so I ask to test somebody in the crowd :D
22:48.47jon1012but search can be either map or listing
22:48.52wazdjon1012: iPhone theme for maemo5 :)
22:48.58jaemwazd, fire me a linnk, and I'll see what I can do
22:49.02jon1012wazd: lol why not
22:49.09jon1012wazd: could be fun to test
22:49.32jaemjon1012, is this in Qt or GTK?
22:49.38jon1012gtk
22:49.42port21Hmm. this is odd. im gonna go do a bit of googling. i'll be back soon :)
22:49.47port21thanks for your help so far guys
22:49.48port21:)
22:49.58jaemhmm... okay, I'm not familiar with GTK, so I can't suggest specific widgets
22:50.01jaemport21, no problem - good luck
22:50.08jon1012let me show screenshots of what I mean
22:50.13wazdjaem: I hope the link will be ready in like 30 minutes
22:50.18jaemjon1012, sure, that would be good
22:50.20port21chers mate
22:50.28jon1012wazd: when you have I would test too
22:50.32port21*cheers
22:50.39jaemwazd, okay - I may be gone at that point, and my scrollback isn't set up properly, so PM me with it just in case, please
22:50.40wazdjon1012: good
22:50.54wazdjaem: sure
22:51.40jon1012this is the listing search result : http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5279/screenshot04n.png
22:51.40jon1012this is the map search result : http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8255/screenshot10v.png
22:51.40jon1012both views can lead once a place has been selected to this stackable view : http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5515/screenshot05q.png
22:52.57jon1012(I tried to keep the ui look as native as possible)
22:53.03jaemright... I see your issue
22:53.08jaemare you designing this for Maemo, or porting?
22:53.18jon1012designing for maemo
22:53.38jon1012(the main website is done in python and I have a connector class for distant mvc thourgh json already in python too)
22:53.45jon1012(so making this in pygtk isn't that hard :))
22:53.51jaemokay
22:53.52jaemwell...
22:54.26jaemTabs are ugly and not phone-ish, to be sure.
22:54.30jon1012yeah
22:54.47jaemFailing any HIG mentions, you could always try something tabbish
22:55.00jaemsuch as having a bar on the left side of the map that slides the other page across when clicked
22:55.06jaemand vice-versa
22:55.12jaemI've seen UI's like that, and I think it would fit better
22:55.20jaembut for Maemo, I'm not sure
22:55.53jaemI mean, it would probably be usable, and look better than normal tabs, but it isn't really something that I've seen on Maemo yet
22:55.58jaemwazd, any opinions?
22:56.01jacekowskii'm just wondering
22:56.09jaemjon1012, do you know what I mean?
22:56.11jacekowskiif tomtom is running linux on ARM
22:56.21jon1012jaem: not really
22:56.26jacekowskihow complicated it would be to run it on n900
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22:57.13jaemjon1012, you know those old mini tabbed binders that quick reference guides for computers and such came in?
22:57.26jaemactually, never mind with that
22:57.30jaemone sec
22:57.56wazdoh
22:58.36jaemI'm not sure where I've seen it, but they sometimes will put a vertical bar on the side of a content pane that represents another "page", or some such
22:58.40jaemand you click it, and that page comes to the top, slides across, flips, or whatever
22:58.51jon1012btw, I'll probably release a big chunk of that app (minus the specific connector for my website network) as open source
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22:59.10jaemand the other view minimizes to a bar on the opposite side
22:59.18jaemjon1012, yay, thanks!
22:59.20wazdshots look clean :)
22:59.34jaemyeah, you've done a good job, from what I can see
22:59.51jaemwazd, do you understand what I'm trying to express?
22:59.54jaemor am I just crazy?
23:00.27GeneralAntillesfrals, ping?
23:00.34wazdjaem: It's 2 AM here, don't expect much :D
23:00.34fralsGeneralAntilles: pong
23:00.39jaemwazd, ha, sure
23:01.09jon1012(btw, is python with qt enoguh stable to use today on n900 apps ?)
23:01.20jon1012(or is it better to stick with gtk ?)
23:01.58jaemjon1012, I'm not sure.  Qt 4.6 technically isn't stable yet, but it should be soon that I wouldn't rule it out
23:02.06jaemas for the Python bindings, I have no idea
23:02.11jaemsoon enough*
23:02.16jon1012ok
23:02.22jaemword is that it will be "supported" in the next PR version
23:02.26jaembut I don't know for sure
23:02.29jon1012hehe ok
23:02.31SpeedEvilhttp://resources.zdnet.co.uk/articles/0,1000001991,40022669,00.htm - interesting. (chip and pin broken)
23:02.46jon1012I'll stick to gtk for now, I know gtk a lot, so I guess it's better until maemo 6 :)
23:02.50jefferaithis might be of interest to people here: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=2086ed382621c57f&hl=en
23:02.53luke-jrgtk = fail
23:03.18jon1012gtk = good :) but won't be the default in the future, that's why I start to look at qt :(
23:03.29jaemjon1012, well, no, Qt is in late beta now
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23:03.58jaemthe N900 will be an officially supported platform quite soon (they said Q1 sometime originally), and is already quite usable
23:04.16jaemwe've been using it for a research project at my university since October
23:04.52simulai'm so excited about qt-creator / madde integration and 4.6 on the phone :)
23:05.28jon1012so, anybody has an idea of gtk widget for my selector problem ? :)
23:05.38jefferaisimula: apparently there's still some cmake problem, narf
23:06.11simulahehe :)  hopefully it gets fixed soon jefferai
23:06.14jon1012(well, selector/tab/ etc)
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23:06.43nomisjon1012: I missed the original question, what is the problem?
23:07.20jon1012I have a search result view, that can be of two types, either result list or map
23:07.39jon1012and when you select a place on one of those views, it opens a stackablewindow with the place you selected
23:07.52jon1012thing is, is there an equivalent for tab to switch between the view types
23:08.11jon1012(23:51:39) jon1012: this is the listing search result : http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5279/screenshot04n.png
23:08.12jon1012(23:51:39) jon1012: this is the map search result : http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8255/screenshot10v.png
23:08.12jon1012(23:51:39) jon1012: both views can lead once a place has been selected to this stackable view : http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5515/screenshot05q.png
23:08.16simulajeffarai... does it sound like cmake bugs are the only thing holding back qt-creator madde integration?  if so, that's great!
23:09.38jefferaiwell, no
23:09.43simulaheh
23:09.47jefferaiqmake certainly works with qt-creator/madde
23:09.55jefferaibut if you're like me, and working on porting bits of KDE programs over
23:09.56jefferaiyou want cmake
23:09.57jefferai:-)
23:09.58nomisjon1012: you actually could use a notebook and place the tabs on the side.
23:10.14jon1012nomis: yeah, but it's not recommended by HIG
23:10.33Shapeshiftermhh, no lftp in the repos.
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23:10.51nomisjon1012: Ok, I am not an expert on the HIG  :)
23:11.04jaemjefferai, what are you porting now?
23:11.10jaemI thought I recognized your nick :)
23:11.26jefferaijaem: I'm going to hold off on saying anything yet
23:11.30Shapeshiftermhh, I don't see anything providing "ftp" either. What package contains a simple small cli (scriptable) ftp client?
23:11.34jefferaiuntil I figure out how much of it is at all possible
23:11.55jaemjefferai, ah, fair enough
23:12.13jaemwas it you that did the initial KOffice, etc. on the N810, or something else?
23:12.15jaemI can't remember
23:12.26jefferaiNope
23:12.29jefferaiI didn't have a n810
23:12.35simulaif i have a dependency in a .deb package for qt 4.6 or greater and 4.6 doesn't exist in any repo, how do i handle that?  should i put those libs into my deb?
23:13.34luke-jrsimula: you're aware you can't just use a .deb from one OS and install it in a different OS?
23:14.54simulaluke-jr... what OS specific things besides arch do i have to worry about luke-jr?
23:16.40luke-jrsimula: ABIs, library versions, etc
23:16.58luke-jrfor embedded architectures like ARM, also stuff like optimizations
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23:17.21jaemyay! X Bailed for no apparent reason
23:17.23jaemwoohoo
23:18.36simulaso luke-jr, i was expecting to handle the library version with Depends: qt (>= 4.6), but i hadn't thought of the ABI being different because of what compiler it was compiled with
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23:20.05luke-jrugh
23:20.07luke-jr#GNU is terrible
23:20.46tripzeroyou are terrible
23:20.47tripzero;)
23:20.57jaemluke-jr, is that anything GNU?
23:21.06jaem*rimshot*
23:21.10luke-jrjaem: haha
23:21.17simulahehe
23:21.30luke-jrseriously though, the oper there has a huge bug in his logic program
23:21.35Shapeshifterdoes someone know how to silence ncftpput?
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23:21.40Shapeshifterthere's no quiet switch or anything
23:21.52tripzerowell, if i go in there trying to explain to them why the bsd license is more free, i'd come to the conclusion that its terrible too
23:22.04luke-jrtripzero: nah
23:22.09tripzero:P
23:22.15luke-jrtripzero: I was just pointing out that FSF approved a non-free license.
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23:23.25jaemluke-jr, that's impossible
23:23.32simulawhat license?
23:23.37gouverneurno news I had to day.. just recognized that EU Swift negotiations are canceld!
23:23.39luke-jr"SIL Open Font License 1.1"
23:23.53jaemif Stallman's cool with it, then it is Free.  Or are you saying you're more rabid than rms? ;)
23:23.59jaemhmm
23:24.04luke-jrjaem: Stallman has no authority
23:24.06gouverneurno US MI will be granted access directly
23:24.09jaemluke-jr, it was a jest
23:24.09luke-jrhe's just a figurehead
23:24.19luke-jrSIL forbids selling
23:24.24tripzeroi thought he was a harry monkey
23:24.26jaemluke-jr, I know, I wasn't actually wanting to get into it
23:24.32jaemtripzero, naw
23:25.11jaemtripzero, actually never mind... his Google Images ranking for "unix beard" has climbed back up
23:25.16jaem...it's based esr now
23:25.17jaemXD
23:25.22jaems/based/past/
23:25.31tripzerolol
23:25.33redlo
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23:25.44redso whats hot at maemo? :)
23:25.59redbeeen busy for a while so gotta catch up
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23:26.03jon1012jaem: I'll try to use visually grouped toggle buttons in the search bar at bottom...
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23:26.17jon1012One saying "List" and the other saying "Map"
23:26.25jaemjon1012, that might work
23:26.37jon1012I'll try to see how it is visually...
23:26.37jaemif you do a mock-up or screenie, I wouldn't mind seeing it
23:26.47jon1012I'll add it right now and do a screenie
23:27.03jaemred, didn't you hear?  The new N100000 has come out
23:27.07jaemeverything else is obselete
23:27.13jaem-snerk-
23:27.28luke-jrI got the N100000 with 4 GB RAM :)
23:27.47jaem...and yes, that was an arbitrary amount of key-mashed trailing 0's
23:28.24jaemhmm... Google ads for the query "unix beard"
23:28.33jaemdo I click on the HP-UX one, or the Braun Shaver one
23:28.36jaemdecisions, decisions
23:28.49jaem"Which path will YOU choose"
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23:32.17tripzerom
23:32.53jaem?
23:33.01Shapeshifterthe desktop command execution widget is one of the best things that happened to my desktop.
23:33.15tripzeroheh, wrong window.  m == an alias for make -j5 :P
23:33.22jaemhehe
23:33.27jaemsudo passwd
23:33.29jaemsahdfldsjlfks
23:33.31jaem;)
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23:34.41wazdjaem: package is baking now
23:35.23wazdjaem: it's now a weird combination of Marina and an iPhone, but some elements should look fine :)
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23:35.26jaemsmells the oven
23:35.26jaemmmmm
23:35.34jaembiiiiiits
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23:36.15wazdanyway, converting process is much faster than creating :)
23:36.42jon1012bwahh
23:36.52jon1012visually grouped toggle buttons aren't implemented in defaulttheme
23:37.01jon1012(both buttons have all rounder corners)
23:37.11jon1012(giving no clue they are a one-or-other chooser)
23:37.20jon1012:(
23:37.57jon1012this is what the widget ui spec says: "Implemented with the GtkToggleButton class using hildon_gtk_toggle_button_new(). Visually grouped toggle buttons are packed inside a GtkHBox with homogeneous set to TRUE and spacing set to 0."
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23:52.37ShadowJKI used Ovi Maps for turn by turn navigation today
23:52.46ShadowJKunfortunately it was on my symbian phone :-(
23:52.56wazdShadowJK: and survived? :D
23:52.59ShadowJKhad to drive extra to go get it
23:53.07ShadowJKwazd, barely
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23:53.15ShadowJKIt's pretty the opposite of tomtom
23:53.30ShadowJKtomtom is highly allergic to small roads.. the kinds that were covered by 60cm snow today
23:53.34ShadowJKand ovi seems to love those
23:53.49ShadowJKjust drove until it suggested a big road
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23:55.10jacekowskithat depends on settings
23:55.34wazdShadowJK: maybe you've used "ped. mode"?
23:55.42Shapeshifterdoes someone know which package contains less?
23:55.48N900evilless
23:55.49Shapeshifterthe app, "less".
23:55.55jaemShadowJK, if it's allergic to small roads, see if the symptoms improve while driving off of downed bridges, or unbuilt freeways
23:55.55Shapeshifteroh
23:55.57jaemI hear that works
23:56.02N900evilapt get install less
23:56.12jaemN900evil, that's called remove
23:56.15ShadowJKless is in sdk tools repo
23:56.16jaemhehe
23:56.24jaemapt-get install more!
23:56.37ShapeshifterN900evil: thanks. apt-cache search's behavior of listing everything even remotely related to what you search for is still confusing me
23:56.41ShadowJKwazd, jacekowski: it wasn't in pedestrian mode.. it even had "fastest", not "shortest" selected..
23:56.41N900eviloh - it's in the tools repo
23:56.48N900evilnp
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