| 00:00.07 | lardman|home | nah, my connection lag became very large |
| 00:01.14 | Flandry | I've been looking at HAM and it uses "multiple lines" as the criterion for an extended description. I'm wondering why strlen isn't a simpler, better metric. |
| 00:01.44 | Flandry | Especially because i changed it to strip newlines elsewhere :P |
| 00:02.07 | lardman|home | lol |
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| 00:03.13 | Flandry | it does a string copy, strips initial and trailing whitespace, splits it into an array of lines, and then checks that there are more than one |
| 00:03.20 | Flandry | i mean, is that really necessary? :P |
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| 00:05.47 | derf | lardman|home: Not usually correlation on images (though that is sometimes done). |
| 00:06.21 | lardman|home | I have some rather small numbers I want to OCR |
| 00:06.41 | derf | Usually you transform connected components into outlines or skeletons. |
| 00:06.49 | lardman|home | ok |
| 00:06.58 | lardman|home | and then how is the recog performed? |
| 00:07.07 | derf | Basic template matching. |
| 00:07.18 | lardman|home | using what metric though? |
| 00:07.49 | derf | There's all kinds of metrics. |
| 00:07.50 | derf | You've got a bunch of line segments, you can try to do a one-to-many matching, etc. |
| 00:08.01 | lardman|home | connectedness? |
| 00:08.19 | derf | You can take connectedness into account, sure. |
| 00:08.23 | derf | Or you can just rely on position. |
| 00:08.41 | lardman|home | angle then? or a 2d fft? |
| 00:08.44 | lardman|home | or similar |
| 00:08.46 | derf | Damaged text is often disconnected in places where the template would be connected. |
| 00:08.54 | lardman|home | yep |
| 00:09.03 | derf | The 2d FFT approach assumes a common sampling. |
| 00:09.10 | derf | Which you generally don't have. |
| 00:09.20 | derf | And if you want to recognize very small characters, you'll have significant aliasing problems. |
| 00:09.26 | pupnik | some people here will be like pgrogramming terminator robots in 2015 |
| 00:09.49 | derf | But you can go a long ways just on position/orientation. |
| 00:10.04 | pupnik | or now |
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| 00:10.07 | derf | There's also "shape context" and other similar approaches. |
| 00:10.23 | derf | Which basically builds a histogram of the surrounding area, and uses earth mover's distance on that. |
| 00:10.48 | lardman|home | hmm, I don't have much data to histogram though |
| 00:11.12 | derf | You don't need much. |
| 00:11.18 | derf | You build a separate histogram at every point on the outline. |
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| 00:12.03 | derf | It's similar to matching the line segments directly, but as the name implies, brings in slightly more non-local context. |
| 00:12.12 | lardman|home | ok, but dropped pixels or blurred ones will interfere with that won't they? |
| 00:13.02 | derf | Well, sure, but the idea is that the interference with the match to the correct template will be smaller than the penalty for a match to the wrong template. |
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| 00:13.56 | lardman|home | ok |
| 00:14.00 | lardman|home | sounds interesting anyway |
| 00:14.02 | Flandry | are you working on OCR lardman, or just curious? |
| 00:14.25 | lardman|home | well I don't work on it, in fact I just need to post-process some shearography data |
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| 00:14.57 | crashanddie_ | should we be worried? http://cms.web.cern.ch/cms/Media/CMSeye/cam4.html |
| 00:15.00 | lardman|home | unfortunately it's stored in an avi, with a very small bit of text in the top left giving the freq - which is what I need to know for each frame |
| 00:15.20 | derf | The main problems are not in the classifier, but in everything that goes on around it. |
| 00:15.44 | Flandry | oh |
| 00:15.45 | Flandry | fun |
| 00:15.46 | lardman|home | hey crashanddie_ |
| 00:16.05 | lardman|home | derf: I wrote a correlation based ocr system, which works ok, but not great |
| 00:16.08 | derf | I.e., figuring out where the lines of text are, breaking them into characters, including when characters are touching, figuring out where the word boundaries are... |
| 00:16.12 | crashanddie_ | o/ lardman|gone |
| 00:16.15 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, if it's ending, I doubt we're going to notice it on the cam feed first. :D |
| 00:16.28 | Flandry | crashanddie_: better call in the doom marines |
| 00:16.32 | lardman|home | derf: ah that's easy in my case, I know the spacing and char widths are constant |
| 00:16.36 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles, dunno, we might have been wrong about black holes all along |
| 00:16.42 | derf | The best classifiers are still only going to get you 97-98% accuracy on printed text. |
| 00:16.52 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, or here http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html ;) |
| 00:17.05 | derf | But after that the results get fed into a language model. |
| 00:17.06 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles, I know that one :) |
| 00:17.13 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles, just saw it on slashdot 5 minutes ago |
| 00:17.16 | lardman|home | that's fine, I know how the freqs should proceed, so can process the ocr'd text to correct it if it doesn't fit in |
| 00:17.17 | derf | And there you can start doing very sophisticated things to improve results. |
| 00:17.48 | derf | Anyway, I thought Google recently open-sourced some OCR engine. |
| 00:18.05 | lardman|home | ideally I want to implement this in MATLAB |
| 00:18.07 | derf | Dunno how good it is. |
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| 00:18.33 | crashanddie_ | derf, it probably dials home and sends keywords of what you're scanning |
| 00:18.36 | lardman|home | I'll have a look at your histogram/earth mover idea |
| 00:18.51 | crashanddie_ | "Hang on, why does the OCR app need socket.h?" |
| 00:19.08 | derf | crashanddie_: The beauty of open source. |
| 00:19.11 | derf | lardman|home: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_context |
| 00:19.28 | crashanddie_ | derf, the beauty of having everyone think you're contributing to Open Source |
| 00:19.39 | crashanddie_ | derf, newsflash: Chrome isn't Open Source |
| 00:19.44 | derf | I ain't saying nothing about contributing. |
| 00:19.55 | derf | I'm just saying you can get the source for their OCR engine. |
| 00:20.03 | derf | You don't need to lecture me. |
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| 00:20.30 | crashanddie_ | True, I just enjoy it :) |
| 00:20.46 | derf | Yes, but I don't. |
| 00:20.52 | derf | lardman|home: http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Research/Projects/CS/vision/shape/sc_digits.html has a Matlab demo. |
| 00:20.53 | lardman|home | derf: cool, thanks |
| 00:21.02 | derf | Don't know how useful it is. |
| 00:21.11 | derf | (i.e., if it really includes all the code needed) |
| 00:21.20 | lardman|home | I won't learn anything using someone else's code too ;) |
| 00:21.21 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles, you need to start writing about OSX |
| 00:21.26 | tadthebuilder | isnt chormium open source which is 90 percent of chrome? |
| 00:22.18 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles, Because: Darwin book worth up to $100,000 found on shelf |
| 00:22.25 | crashanddie_ | tadthebuilder, the magic lies in those 10% |
| 00:22.27 | Flandry | wonders if using chromium and mercurial will make him go mad |
| 00:23.12 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, shush. |
| 00:23.16 | tadthebuilder | i use chrome from time to time. i know it means google knows what i do, rather them thn the govt haha |
| 00:23.25 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles, I shall find you: http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20091119&t=2&i=14583449&w=450&r=2009-11-19T185021Z_01_GM1E5BH0FBH01_RTRRPP_0_MEXICO |
| 00:23.54 | derf | Anyway, the Google OCR engine is Tesseract: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract_(software) |
| 00:23.59 | derf | No idea what it uses internally. |
| 00:24.24 | Flandry | i don't think Google developed that anyway |
| 00:24.33 | Flandry | it's supposed to be pretty good iirc |
| 00:24.39 | derf | Flandry: No, UNLV did. |
| 00:24.40 | mikhas | it is |
| 00:24.54 | lardman|home | hmm, I've looked at all the free ones a while back as I needed to scan some FORTRAN code in from an old thesis |
| 00:25.01 | lardman|home | trying to remember which one I chose in the end |
| 00:25.15 | crashanddie_ | anyway |
| 00:25.16 | crashanddie_ | I'm out |
| 00:25.20 | derf | Err, sorry, not UNLV, HP. |
| 00:25.21 | lardman|home | cu |
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| 00:29.37 | lardman|home | bed time for me, thanks for the pointers derf |
| 00:29.41 | lardman|home | night all |
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| 00:42.07 | Shapeshifter | So, is there a way to send SMS from the command line, or at least via dbus? |
| 00:44.13 | crashanddie_ | lol http://kurtgreenbaumisapussy.com/ |
| 00:44.35 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, Telepathy. |
| 00:44.43 | GeneralAntilles | Should be a dbus recipe for it. |
| 00:45.22 | Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: cool :) |
| 00:45.40 | Shapeshifter | ahh. so telepathy handles all of the communication stuff? |
| 00:45.56 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 00:46.09 | Shapeshifter | brilliant. |
| 00:46.34 | Shapeshifter | and I guess gps data can also be read out from the cli? |
| 00:46.39 | Shapeshifter | via dbus. |
| 00:47.25 | Shapeshifter | mh. where would I best find the documentation on this anyway? is there some official nokia-made-apps manual stuff somewhere? I find the wiki is not really that brilliant on specific info. |
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| 00:55.21 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, should be in the developer docs. |
| 00:55.27 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, probably the wrong person to ask, though. |
| 00:57.10 | Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: ahh, thanks. |
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| 00:59.50 | Shapeshifter | ah yes, liblocation. |
| 01:00.02 | Shapeshifter | and someone has written a python thin client. nice. |
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| 01:00.44 | Shapeshifter | this is all very nice. |
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| 01:12.52 | timeless_mbp | help |
| 01:12.59 | timeless_mbp | is there any reason i shouldn't use sbox in Mer? |
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| 01:30.42 | qole | b-man17, hi! |
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| 01:35.48 | b-man17 | qole: how´s your easy-debian port for the N900 going? :) |
| 01:39.38 | qole | b-man17, I can't get the keyboard working in Xephyr LXDE! |
| 01:39.53 | b-man17 | hmm |
| 01:40.52 | qole | The packages are in Fremantle Extras-devel, I'm just waiting for some more hackers to get the N900 to help me test |
| 01:41.13 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12 knows the method. |
| 01:41.22 | b-man17 | is willing to test once he gets his N900 :) |
| 01:41.29 | qole | (I'm on my N900 now, riding the bus home from work) |
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| 01:41.51 | qole | GeneralAntilles, tell me more! |
| 01:41.53 | timeless_mbp | should /dev/null work in sbox? :( |
| 01:42.16 | qole | (note I have Tab mapped now :) |
| 01:42.18 | b-man17 | possibly |
| 01:42.38 | b-man17 | i believe it´s linked to /dev on the host... |
| 01:42.48 | timeless_mbp | something tried to: |
| 01:43.09 | timeless_mbp | open("/dev/null", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_DIRECTORY) |
| 01:43.24 | timeless_mbp | and got ENOTDIR |
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| 01:43.58 | qole | qwerty12 pointed out that windows must ask explicitly for input focus in Maemo 5, but I can't seem to get that working for me... |
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| 01:44.40 | lcuk | hey qole |
| 01:44.41 | pupnik | .can we pipe gstreamer mpeg4 from camera to a network port |
| 01:44.53 | qole | lcuk, hey! |
| 01:45.15 | lcuk | yeah, you in your chroot and trying to get keyboard? |
| 01:45.21 | b-man17 | have you tryed checking if /dev/null is in your scratchbox dir? |
| 01:45.49 | lcuk | does contacts pop up instead qole |
| 01:45.53 | qole | lcuk, yes, trying to get keyboard on display :1 |
| 01:45.57 | b-man17 | @timeless_mbp |
| 01:46.21 | lcuk | yeah practically every toolkit has had to do some mudging on m5 |
| 01:46.59 | qole | lcuk, yeah I think I'm not grabbing the keyboard and I don't know how to do that from command line |
| 01:47.17 | lcuk | its not so much grabbing the keyboard |
| 01:47.32 | lcuk | lemme see if i can dig up the reason and code fixes put in place |
| 01:47.41 | lcuk | then we can see if theres a console way |
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| 01:49.25 | qole | lcuk, I think it is XSetInputFocus() needing to be explicitly called... |
| 01:49.59 | qole | Can you do that for a gtkWindow in python? |
| 01:49.59 | lcuk | yeah, but someone else offered another suggestion at some point |
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| 01:50.45 | qole | The dead keyboard issue is the current showstopper for EasyDebian. |
| 01:51.44 | qole | I can get everything else working (if you are willing to be a stylus jockey) |
| 01:52.48 | qole | I even have a great idea for simulating the dashboard button on the top right corner in LXDE |
| 01:56.40 | qole | is flashing to sales firmware tonight! |
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| 01:57.16 | lcuk | qole, oooh |
| 01:57.27 | lcuk | http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-maemo-developers/qt/qt-maemo/commit/fbf22e64599b220cf95ca90d27d0eb6cdeaa91fe |
| 01:57.32 | lcuk | qt caught the patch |
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| 01:58.09 | lcuk | but you are right its gonna be tough from within python, what app creates the root window for you? is it the python one |
| 01:58.27 | qole | lcuk, I found that already... http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/re-mapping_the_n900_keyboard-001/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nemein_discussion_posts_page=1#0df75e68d5ab11deb701f9b9eeaa12ed12ed |
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| 01:59.02 | GeneralAntilles | qole, not a big upgrade. |
| 01:59.20 | fernando_ | so, uh, hi. I just got a N800. while playing with it I noticed the file manager auto discovered my SMB shares on my computer. thing is, it only displays the public folder, and not the home folder (which would need a login) |
| 01:59.37 | lcuk | hehe |
| 01:59.50 | fernando_ | is there anywhere to type a login or something? |
| 01:59.51 | qole | I dunno, write me a C app that opens a window and fullscreens+sets input focus, let me pass the window name as a parameter. |
| 02:00.24 | Flandry | What's the community interface for development on app manager? |
| 02:00.26 | lcuk | how do you inject yourself into the process? |
| 02:00.33 | Flandry | garage, bug tracker... |
| 02:00.36 | Flandry | ? |
| 02:00.43 | qole | fernando_, no you cannot use the filemanager to access protected shares |
| 02:00.56 | fernando_ | I see. shame, but thanks! |
| 02:01.37 | qole | lcuk, I use wmctrl to find the window ID, and the -parent param on Xephyr |
| 02:02.50 | lcuk | gtk should have the fix in intrinsically |
| 02:03.04 | lcuk | create an empty pygtk app? |
| 02:03.15 | fernando_ | okay, new question (:P), mime type associations in the file manager, is there a way to change those? |
| 02:03.25 | fernando_ | as in open all .avis with mplayer, etc |
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| 02:06.58 | qole | fernando_, dbus-switchboard http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=17757 |
| 02:07.21 | fernando_ | thanks again! |
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| 02:08.16 | lcuk | fernando_, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=15194 qole oyu get around, in this thread too |
| 02:08.52 | fernando_ | defaults.list in /usr/share/applications? that sounds simpler :P |
| 02:09.02 | lcuk | it doesnt work tho lol |
| 02:09.14 | fernando_ | baw, lol |
| 02:09.23 | lcuk | :D |
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| 02:10.04 | lcuk | qole, not on unlimited 3g anymore? |
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| 02:14.56 | Flandry | ah it's on gitorious |
| 02:15.06 | Flandry | that was so completely obvious... |
| 02:15.28 | Flandry | not |
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| 02:23.44 | fernando_ | is it kosher to set a password for "user" or should I just stick with "root" for SSH? |
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| 02:26.14 | GeneralAntilles | fernando_, stick with root. |
| 02:26.20 | GeneralAntilles | fernando_, not sure what the status is right now. |
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| 02:26.33 | fernando_ | alright, will do |
| 02:27.31 | GeneralAntilles | fernando_, on Diablo it could cause certain boot scripts to fail. |
| 02:27.38 | GeneralAntilles | ferdna, haven't tested it yet for Fremantle. |
| 02:27.43 | fernando_ | not messing with it then :P |
| 02:28.08 | ferdna | GeneralAntilles, what is that? |
| 02:28.19 | GeneralAntilles | ferdna, what is what? |
| 02:28.22 | hotaru2k3 | use public key auth, and disable root login over ssh |
| 02:28.31 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames |
| 02:28.38 | ferdna | i dont know, you tell me... |
| 02:28.49 | fernando_ | (wrong username highlight :P) |
| 02:28.53 | GeneralAntilles | ferdna, what are you asking about? |
| 02:28.57 | qole | lcuk, Canada only has 2.5 G for the N900 |
| 02:28.57 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, oops. |
| 02:28.59 | GeneralAntilles | Sorry multitasking. |
| 02:28.59 | fernando_ | haha |
| 02:29.07 | ferdna | hehehhe, cool... =) |
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| 02:30.33 | fernando_ | haha, the N800 codename is Gagarin? awesome |
| 02:30.36 | fernando_ | sets device name |
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| 02:32.08 | iDialekt | I wonder when the north American AT&T 3g maemo device is coming? |
| 02:34.04 | qole | iDialekt, I don't forsee an NAM version of the N900 |
| 02:34.26 | Flandry | we haven't seen FCC approval so: probably no time soon |
| 02:34.32 | iDialekt | Neither do I. Maybe the next maemo device |
| 02:35.02 | qole | I'm not looking forward to that device. |
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| 02:37.14 | qole | Capacitive screen means no stylus. |
| 02:37.57 | chicks| | I really wish the n900 was usable on a network with decent 3G coverage in my area in the US |
| 02:38.31 | fernando_ | there will never be 3g coverage in my neck of the woods, michigan, so I particularly don't mind :P |
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| 02:39.40 | hotaru2k3 | if you want decent 3g coverage in the us you have to go cdma instead of gsm |
| 02:40.40 | chicks| | Yeah, that's why I have a crappy phone, it works on Verizon which actually has coverage at both my house and college, where as AT&T doesn't have 3G at my college and although it does at my house, for some reason inside the house I can't get AT&T signal. |
| 02:41.36 | chicks| | Not to mention T-mobile just has poor coverage compared to any of the other major providers. |
| 02:42.28 | microlith | it wouldn't be so bad if verizon weren't cdma :/ |
| 02:42.48 | fernando_ | the whole US phone market is kinda sucky, oh well. I'm fine with just using wifi |
| 02:43.56 | pupnik | good call |
| 02:44.06 | pupnik | haha pun |
| 02:44.08 | chicks| | Yeah, i'll just stick with my n810 for now. I hope verizon getso ff of CDMA and on to something else by the time my contract ends in 1.5 years. |
| 02:44.14 | fernando_ | lol |
| 02:44.32 | microlith | chicks|: if they go LTE like everyone else, we might actually have a worldwide standard |
| 02:44.44 | fernando_ | ah no, I get cool phones, I just don't use the data part :P |
| 02:45.44 | iDialekt | Almost got a droid |
| 02:46.00 | chicks| | microlith: that would be great, as their network is currently working amazingly for me, but the cost of getting tethering is way to expensive |
| 02:46.02 | iDialekt | But couldn't ditch the apple Eco system |
| 02:46.04 | iDialekt | :( |
| 02:46.20 | iDialekt | Hard to pull away from the MobileMe and lifestyle of apple |
| 02:46.26 | fernando_ | :( |
| 02:46.37 | microlith | my only problem is with nokiausa's failure of an ordering system |
| 02:46.44 | microlith | otherwise I might have had my N900 this week |
| 02:47.26 | iDialekt | I can't do tmobile . Not here |
| 02:47.39 | iDialekt | AT&T is the best option for gsm here |
| 02:47.44 | iDialekt | Verizon for CDMA |
| 02:47.51 | GeneralAntilles | qole, Nokia caved to the popularity pressure. |
| 02:48.00 | GeneralAntilles | qole, I can't believe they wouldn't go with Stantum. |
| 02:48.01 | iDialekt | ? |
| 02:48.08 | GeneralAntilles | Nor that they wouldn't ship both types of touchscreens. |
| 02:48.23 | GeneralAntilles | Neither technology has an absolute advantage. |
| 02:48.35 | GeneralAntilles | So it seems quite silly to choose one or the other and alienate other customers. |
| 02:48.36 | GeneralAntilles | But oh well. |
| 02:48.42 | microlith | what is Stantum? |
| 02:48.49 | GeneralAntilles | Multitouch resistive. |
| 02:48.53 | microlith | ahh |
| 02:49.11 | fernando_ | what about haptikos, wish that'd come back |
| 02:49.15 | fernando_ | lol vaporware |
| 02:49.20 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
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| 02:53.57 | qole | GeneralAntilles, I would *love* a Stantum touchscreen device |
| 02:54.50 | qole | Does anyone know how to make the N900 XChat notify the user? |
| 02:55.24 | qole | flash the LED, make a noise, anything. |
| 02:55.52 | fernando_ | doesn't it minimize to tray (or notification area) (or whatever they call it on maemo 5) |
| 02:56.14 | qole | no such thing on Maemo 5 |
| 02:57.08 | qole | OK there is such a thing but it must be non-standard (ooh what a surprise) |
| 02:57.19 | fernando_ | haha |
| 02:57.44 | fernando_ | root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 02:57.50 | fernando_ | whoops? |
| 02:58.07 | pupnik | n900 direct cam stream |
| 02:58.09 | b-man17 | qole: i´m shure you could use a d-bus message ;) |
| 02:58.26 | pupnik | for vlc / mplayer ... how? |
| 02:58.27 | fernando_ | nvm, worked now |
| 02:58.33 | qole | fernando_, Yes, I just got that report. Stop it. |
| 02:58.42 | fernando_ | lol |
| 02:59.03 | qole | pupnik, use VLC on N900 |
| 02:59.18 | lcuk | qole, i thought you enjoyed the helicopter trips for those sudo violators |
| 02:59.18 | GeneralAntilles | qole, there's a notification area you can install in Extras. |
| 02:59.28 | pupnik | nice fix on camera - pupnik report made into release maybe |
| 02:59.30 | lcuk | no fun if you tell them over the internet |
| 02:59.38 | GeneralAntilles | qole, either that or bribe qwerty12 to get a libnotify patch in. |
| 02:59.39 | pupnik | how stream cam? |
| 03:00.19 | pupnik | there was a gstreamer hack for n810 |
| 03:00.21 | lcuk | pupnik, you tried it in the same way as n8x0 |
| 03:00.28 | lcuk | ie with gstreamer and stuff |
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| 03:00.48 | qole | v4l2, /dev/video0 for "big" camera, video1 for front facing webcam |
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| 03:00.57 | pupnik | but main cam |
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| 03:01.06 | pupnik | ohhh! |
| 03:01.13 | pupnik | ty! |
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| 03:04.42 | qole | looks like it is called hildon-systray |
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| 03:05.24 | qole | hildon-systray seems pretty lame tho |
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| 03:06.36 | qole | you click on the status area, then a button in the menu, and it shows you a dialog with the systray |
| 03:06.51 | fernando_ | haha |
| 03:07.17 | qole | yeah. hahaha. :-( |
| 03:08.19 | fernando_ | not a smart place to put a tray innit |
| 03:10.08 | qole | I never thought I'd say this but I miss the OS2008 interface... |
| 03:10.11 | lcuk | qole, at least nowadays you dont have to write a 12line shell script to view systray entries. :p |
| 03:11.05 | qole | lcuk, No you can pull up the systray dialog. |
| 03:11.16 | lcuk | there you go |
| 03:11.21 | lcuk | vast improvement |
| 03:11.42 | lcuk | we should make use of qwertys service provider widget |
| 03:11.56 | lcuk | and put a real systray there |
| 03:12.03 | qole | over what exactly? When have we had to write a script to look at systray entries? |
| 03:12.58 | qole | I'm going to go ask for a systray desktop widget. |
| 03:13.50 | lcuk | nods |
| 03:14.03 | lcuk | but like i say, qwerty wrote a hacked widget to replace the provider name |
| 03:14.15 | lcuk | ie one that sits next to the fremantle systray |
| 03:14.16 | qole | yes, I'm using it |
| 03:14.37 | lcuk | yeah, its a better location for systray, since it exists over all 4 desktops |
| 03:14.53 | qole | he just hacked the existing provider name thing. |
| 03:15.13 | lcuk | i thought he made a new mini widget and replaced it |
| 03:15.48 | qole | don't think so.. |
| 03:16.09 | fernando_ | a real tray should be visible systemwide tho, does that widget/hack replace the banner only on the desktop? |
| 03:21.02 | qole | fernando_, yes, just the desktop. |
| 03:21.11 | fernando_ | aw |
| 03:23.17 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=15194 there you go qole, may provide inspiration to someone in a thread you make |
| 03:24.31 | qole | My notification area is totally packed already... http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/4128955395/ |
| 03:24.43 | lcuk | damn damn vnc didnt bring it over |
| 03:25.03 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33638 |
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| 03:38.38 | qole | hildon-systray in action!!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/4130108152/ |
| 03:40.03 | fernando_ | rofl |
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| 03:47.41 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, more idiots on Talk! |
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| 05:02.22 | fernando_ | anyone knows where to find this http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view/internet-tablet-video-converter still? lol |
| 05:02.42 | GeneralAntilles | fernando_, it's discontinued. |
| 05:03.03 | GeneralAntilles | May I recommend mediautils instead, though? http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 05:03.12 | fernando_ | nokia usually keeps discontinued apps just for archival purposes on betalabs, shame they didn't do it for that |
| 05:03.30 | GeneralAntilles | It may very well be somewhere |
| 05:03.33 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know offhand, however. |
| 05:03.48 | fernando_ | Runs on Linux, Mac OS X, Unix and Windows PCs. ooh |
| 05:03.53 | fernando_ | that's cool |
| 05:04.04 | fernando_ | (I liked the official one because of the mac os version) |
| 05:06.57 | fernando_ | aw, requires mencoder, the mplayer port file for os x is screwed up on 10.6... I did compile my own mplayer a while ago, but definitely nothing to be done after midnight :P |
| 05:07.28 | luke-jr | lol |
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| 05:12.17 | kirma | how does the charging logic on n900 choose when charger is ok? |
| 05:15.18 | kirma | I can't charge it from some sources that work well on other devices... does it actually require usb power budget negotiation? |
| 05:15.52 | pupnik | heh |
| 05:16.13 | pupnik | i could never charge n810 in car |
| 05:16.21 | pupnik | two adapters |
| 05:16.25 | luke-jr | ... |
| 05:16.29 | luke-jr | pupnik: why not? |
| 05:17.15 | pupnik | duuno assume voltage spec too low |
| 05:17.25 | pupnik | or something else |
| 05:17.31 | luke-jr | ... |
| 05:17.37 | pupnik | one car adapter from nokia |
| 05:17.41 | luke-jr | oh |
| 05:17.49 | luke-jr | I just use my AC adapter w/ an inverter.. |
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| 05:19.01 | pupnik | heh, i do sometimes but two conversions bugs me |
| 05:26.19 | GeneralAntilles | kirma, yes. |
| 05:26.29 | GeneralAntilles | kirma, dumb chargers are required to not have data pins. |
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| 05:35.23 | kirma | generalantilles: I guess "iphone" usb cable adapter might solve it... on dealextreme, usb-usb |
| 05:40.40 | iDialekt | I wonder what 4g means to CDMA customers ultimately |
| 05:41.35 | fernando_ | will it cause the ushering of a new era of cross compatiblity and network openness unprecedented even by god himself?!?! |
| 05:41.51 | fernando_ | or just new marketing terms and even pricier contracts? :( |
| 05:42.27 | iDialekt | :( im not sure |
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| 05:44.30 | RST38h | "Due to the feedback and demand the N900 has got we decided to have a more polished release targeting a wider audience, even if at the cost of a later sales start. The rest is a consequence of this decision, including some of the problems you are reporting here." |
| 05:45.09 | fernando_ | huh? |
| 05:45.24 | RST38h | That is qgil responding to outcry about delays |
| 05:45.37 | fernando_ | ah, go him |
| 05:46.15 | derf | Let me get this straight. People really wanted it so they decided to delay releasing it. |
| 05:46.38 | RST38h | derf: A bit more complicated, I suspect |
| 05:47.02 | RST38h | derf: They did not expect so much interest, so they planned to release whatever they had and update later, like with previous devices |
| 05:47.10 | derf | RST38h: I'm not speculating on what really happened. I'm just trying to interpret the PR line they came up with. |
| 05:47.10 | fernando_ | if it was just a couple geeks wanting it for hacking, sure, they can handle an incomplete product |
| 05:47.34 | fernando_ | PR language is much like legalese, no one can really understand it |
| 05:47.36 | RST38h | derf: But got scared when they saw crowds at the gates |
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| 05:52.17 | RST38h | curses the thumbnailer |
| 05:52.45 | RST38h | Shit, couldn't they make tracker-related stuff customizable? |
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| 05:53.58 | johnx | it might be, at a gconf level |
| 05:54.03 | johnx | mornin' all |
| 05:54.07 | fernando_ | I've been trying for a while now with other video converter apps, and even in mplayer, stuff gets stuttery |
| 05:54.13 | RST38h | moo johnx |
| 05:54.19 | fernando_ | what is the optimal settings to convert stuff for the N800? :P |
| 05:54.22 | fernando_ | 8are |
| 05:54.24 | fernando_ | * |
| 05:54.53 | fernando_ | I'm even making the video 800px wide so mplayer doesn't have to scale it :( |
| 05:55.04 | johnx | fernando_, divx avi, 400x240 or so (500x??? tops), 800-100kb/s mp3 audio @ 44100kHz |
| 05:55.17 | fernando_ | that works, thanks :P |
| 05:55.24 | tigert | use tablet-encode |
| 05:55.30 | johnx | divx or xvid or whatever |
| 05:55.36 | johnx | but yeah, use tablet-encode |
| 05:55.57 | tigert | 800x480 plays probably if it has low fps/bitrate |
| 05:55.58 | johnx | and change 100kb/s to 1000kb/s |
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| 05:56.20 | tigert | tablet-encode is good for this |
| 05:56.56 | fernando_ | alright, let me try compiling mplayer again :( |
| 05:57.12 | johnx | why are you compiling mplayer? |
| 05:57.58 | fernando_ | dont you need mencoder for tablet-encode? |
| 05:58.37 | fernando_ | (I'm on OS X, and I'm relatively clueless about this kind of stuff, if it matters :P) |
| 05:58.46 | RST38h | johnx: mplayer package contains both afaik |
| 05:59.08 | johnx | fernando_, do you have handbrake? |
| 05:59.17 | fernando_ | I do |
| 05:59.46 | fernando_ | should I just try "divx avi, 400x240 or so (500x??? tops), 800-100kb/s mp3 audio @ 44100kHz" on it, instead of messing with tablet-encode? |
| 06:00.15 | johnx | though I don't remember if handbrake will create an avi ... |
| 06:00.36 | johnx | I was sure there was some nice thing for mac os x as well, but I only use it at work... |
| 06:01.05 | fernando_ | there was the betalabs internet tablet converter or something, can't find a download of it though :( |
| 06:02.55 | johnx | tablet-encode + mplayer/mencoder are probably the easiest way to get guaranteed results |
| 06:03.10 | johnx | it looks like there are mplayer/mencoder binaries for mac os x (second result on google) |
| 06:03.18 | johnx | not sure about the reputability of course |
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| 06:21.49 | RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/23/ti-introduces-the-ez430-chronos-development-platform-and-spor/ |
| 06:21.57 | RST38h | (well, it is not the tablet, but...) |
| 06:22.56 | johnx | wireless wha? |
| 06:23.28 | microlith | ok, screw the n900, I want -THAT- |
| 06:23.29 | microlith | lol |
| 06:23.53 | johnx | seriously though. bluetooth? wifi? xbee (sp?)? |
| 06:23.58 | RST38h | where is my dot matrix LCD with the touch screen though? and can it work as a phone? :) |
| 06:24.01 | microlith | wait, $49 |
| 06:24.03 | RST38h | johnx: A moment |
| 06:24.12 | microlith | that's seriously tempting |
| 06:24.28 | RST38h | CC430 microcontroller |
| 06:25.06 | RST38h | http://focus.ti.com/mcu/docs/mcucodeexnewsltrbuglist.tsp?sectionId=96&tabId=1507&DCMP=Chronos&HQS=Other+PR+chronos_developernetwork-pr |
| 06:25.48 | microlith | ooh |
| 06:25.49 | microlith | http://mspgcc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:26.34 | RST38h | can I ssh to it? =) |
| 06:26.43 | johnx | so, some kind of proprietary wireless link it seems? |
| 06:27.07 | johnx | for my $50 I think I'll pick up a zipit z2. a little bigger, but infinitely more capable |
| 06:27.30 | microlith | looks up |
| 06:27.45 | microlith | oh that |
| 06:27.50 | johnx | http://www.openzipit.org/ |
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| 06:28.07 | microlith | are those still hackable, or are they trying to close the holes? |
| 06:28.25 | RST38h | Onboard Airforce One: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/11/500x_airforceone1.jpg |
| 06:28.35 | fernando_ | and I got tablet-encode working, thanks guys |
| 06:28.50 | johnx | they made a nice public statement about encouraging hackers and then based their z2 on openembedded |
| 06:28.56 | RST38h | (the first who says "they are watching porn" gets the title of Cpt Obvious =)) |
| 06:29.32 | RST38h | johnx: What is wrong with OE? |
| 06:29.34 | microlith | johnx: that's surprising, and good |
| 06:30.09 | microlith | although the thought of touching bitbake is off-putting >_> |
| 06:30.14 | johnx | RST38h, I was saying that in contrast to closing up the hole in their first one, they formally encouraged hacking of the second one |
| 06:30.22 | RST38h | ah |
| 06:30.25 | johnx | microlith, it can boot from mini-sd out of the box it seems |
| 06:30.36 | johnx | kernel+debian fs = win |
| 06:30.39 | RXrenesis81 | they're lookin at: http://bit.ly/6fGIy6 |
| 06:30.40 | johnx | or that's my thinking at least |
| 06:31.01 | microlith | I'm reminded of the iOpener from years back |
| 06:31.07 | johnx | RXrenesis81, right. porn. wait, don't look at me like that! |
| 06:31.12 | microlith | where they got angry at people buying the devices sans contract and putting linux on them |
| 06:31.20 | RXrenesis81 | O.o |
| 06:31.31 | RST38h | contract... |
| 06:32.13 | johnx | microlith, seems they encourage people to pay some monthly fee for using their "IM service" but there's no need to "activate" it or anything like that |
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| 06:33.29 | microlith | johnx: yeah, I didn't think there was |
| 06:34.04 | microlith | heh |
| 06:34.15 | microlith | that watch has a whole 4KB of RAM |
| 06:35.50 | RST38h | and it is not an iPhone! |
| 06:36.15 | johnx | I think RST38h would know, but a TI-83+ has more than 4KB RAM, right? |
| 06:36.23 | RST38h | Of course |
| 06:36.29 | RST38h | lemme check |
| 06:36.58 | RST38h | Config says 32kB RAM |
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| 06:37.30 | johnx | yeah, don't think I'm gonna by a new programmable machine of any type with less RAM than the first device I hacked on... |
| 06:37.34 | johnx | s/by/buy |
| 06:37.36 | RST38h | sighs again at the Maemo6 Qt Compatibility thread |
| 06:37.44 | RST38h | They did it again :( |
| 06:37.55 | microlith | hmm? |
| 06:38.05 | johnx | the compatibility break? or totally mismanaged the announcement that there would be one? |
| 06:38.46 | RST38h | johnx: another pointless quest to create different UIs for each platform |
| 06:39.11 | RST38h | johnx: it is like a quest for a Holy Grail |
| 06:39.13 | johnx | ah, you mean symbian vs maemo? or symbian/maemo vs PC? |
| 06:39.18 | RST38h | yeah |
| 06:39.26 | johnx | the latter? |
| 06:39.37 | RST38h | They have already brken Gtk+ in Maemo5, now doing the same with Qt |
| 06:40.27 | johnx | eh. I had really hoped there would be less hacking of qt apps to work well on the tablets |
| 06:40.31 | RST38h | + I see MVC models. The moment I see MVC mentioned, with a diagram, I start worrying |
| 06:41.00 | RST38h | johnx: well if all goes as it should, qt apps should run on Maemo6, just look a bit less native |
| 06:41.17 | johnx | which is the gtk situation now |
| 06:41.41 | johnx | hopefully they'll look less totally out of place than vanilla gtk apps do on maemo4/5 |
| 06:42.48 | RST38h | Maemo4 played relatively well with vanilla gtk |
| 06:42.58 | RST38h | There is hope Maemo6 will play ok with vanilla qt |
| 06:43.52 | johnx | tell me: does maemo5 play better or worse with gtk than maemo4 did? why do you think maemo6 will play nice with vanilla qt after they're done nokiafying it? |
| 06:44.27 | RST38h | maemo5 does not work well with vanilla gtk, unlike maemo4 |
| 06:44.48 | RST38h | johnx: well, my guess is that it takes time to break things, they won't be able to accomplish this for maemo6 ;) |
| 06:45.12 | johnx | and right now we have pretty vanilla qt that does some neat auto-hildonizing. I assume it will be thoroughly "optimized" by the maemo6 launch ... |
| 06:45.55 | johnx | hopefully it will be able to do a lot of the tweaks automagically |
| 06:47.11 | RST38h | parts of maemo6 are already available from git, afaik |
| 06:47.29 | RST38h | johnx: http://zchydem.enume.net/?p=128 + there is a link to part II |
| 06:47.42 | johnx | ah good. glad part 2 is up |
| 06:47.59 | johnx | sorry, I'm just being pessimistic. must be monday still |
| 06:48.38 | RST38h | But MVC crap is really worrying |
| 06:48.57 | RST38h | It is what has made Symbian/S60 UI so hard to program |
| 06:49.10 | RST38h | Now they are transplanting it into Maemo |
| 06:56.35 | fernando_ | Lol |
| 06:59.15 | johnx | why does public transit in my area suck so horribly? |
| 06:59.59 | johnx | an hour and a half to get 9 freaking miles? really... |
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| 07:10.04 | adeus | use a bike |
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| 07:31.21 | hcarrega | status on n900? |
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| 07:32.01 | pekuja | hcarrega: I hear some people have received theirs |
| 07:32.10 | pekuja | hcarrega: is that what you wanted to know? |
| 07:32.34 | hcarrega | yape |
| 07:32.39 | hcarrega | i pre order to |
| 07:32.42 | hcarrega | i will w8 |
| 07:32.47 | hcarrega | im in europe |
| 07:32.52 | hcarrega | Portugal |
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| 07:47.35 | Myrtti | meh |
| 07:49.34 | kirma | wondering if one could enforce N900 to perform non-USB-compliant charging by software from userland... probably some software hack would allow it, but how deep it would need to go... |
| 07:50.19 | johnx | huh? "non-usb-compliant"? |
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| 07:50.49 | kirma | ignore lack of charger indicator resistors and ignore lack of power budget negotiation |
| 07:51.06 | kirma | just draw the load from USB power wires |
| 07:51.13 | johnx | does it really do that? I thought any 5v line was good enough... |
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| 07:51.40 | jaem | morning |
| 07:51.43 | kirma | I think it does those, and to get USB certification, it needs to |
| 07:52.25 | luke-jr | kirma: hop on the "annoying free software fanatic" bandwagon with me |
| 07:52.27 | johnx | probably be easier to have a little external dongle that "does the right thing" and just carry that around |
| 07:52.31 | kirma | gf has been product manager for many of those accessories at the company, and they take things quite seriously |
| 07:52.34 | luke-jr | as currently all the battery-handling code is closed |
| 07:52.41 | jaem | does anyone know how to get in touch with Shane Bradley (sbradley) - the guy who's maintaining the libqt4-maemo5-* packages in extras-devel? |
| 07:52.58 | kirma | usb certification I mean |
| 07:53.12 | jaem | for some reason, his armel packages have an i386 qmake binary, and I have working packages I can post |
| 07:53.18 | luke-jr | yeah, wasn't OTG required to drop for USB charging cert? |
| 07:53.24 | johnx | luke-jr, no |
| 07:53.26 | kirma | johnx: I know it's just three resistors on correct places, but software override would be possible too |
| 07:53.39 | kirma | luke-jr: yep. |
| 07:53.43 | johnx | kirma, where should i look in /sys for it? |
| 07:54.16 | kirma | well... AB connector used with OTG mandates that the device actually can provide some useful functions as a USB host |
| 07:54.29 | kirma | johnx: oh, I wish I knew :) |
| 07:54.31 | jaem | kirma, talking about hacking OTG functionality? |
| 07:54.33 | johnx | right, and the software wasn't there at that point, so ... |
| 07:54.49 | johnx | talking about charging from any plain old 5v without doing USB negotiation |
| 07:55.48 | jaem | johnx, ah, so that's why it doesn't work :/ |
| 07:55.50 | kirma | the fact that the phone doesn't charge with plain USB-microusb cable from powered USB hub (disconnected from computer) strongly suggest me that it relies on negotiation when it doesn't see the "charger" resistors on data lines |
| 07:55.53 | johnx | I have a /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger entry that has a 0 in it right now |
| 07:55.57 | tigert | the device comes with the plug dongle for small plug nokia chargers |
| 07:55.58 | jaem | I was wondering why chargers rated at 1A didn't work |
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| 07:56.06 | tigert | that should take any 5v? |
| 07:56.15 | jaem | so the Nokia charger has Magic (TM) in it? |
| 07:56.20 | johnx | tigert, it does. I ... verified that :> |
| 07:56.26 | kirma | the same hub is ok to charge e90 with passive adapter cable |
| 07:56.30 | tigert | it has some kind of regulator at least |
| 07:56.46 | wazd | hello maemo |
| 07:56.49 | tigert | so maybe that would work with just plain DC |
| 07:57.04 | tigert | dunno, but at least that charges ok |
| 07:57.08 | kirma | jaem: I believe the "dumb" method is to have some resistors wired between USB lines to indicate that the device is a charger |
| 07:57.10 | johnx | tigert, works quite well with anything you can get to fit in either of the holes |
| 07:57.16 | tigert | and the old chargers dont speak any usb |
| 07:57.21 | kirma | "smart" way is to negotiate load |
| 07:57.36 | tigert | right |
| 07:57.36 | kirma | obviously two of these can't coexist on the same device... |
| 07:58.04 | tigert | there are also those diy usb charger projects |
| 07:58.12 | tigert | those likely have some resistors too |
| 07:58.13 | kirma | well, can't coexist unless designed for it in advance |
| 07:58.23 | tigert | has considered building one of those |
| 07:58.32 | timeless_mbp | what does "unable to create updated files list for package xxx: No such file or directory" mean? |
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| 07:58.44 | johnx | the cool thing is one could put a mini-micro converter and the required resistors in the same little converter cable |
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| 07:58.59 | johnx | timeless_mbp, context |
| 07:59.18 | timeless_mbp | i'm trying to use apt-get install xxx in a scratchbox |
| 07:59.25 | timeless_mbp | but the scratchbox is broken :) |
| 07:59.34 | kirma | I have 10 euro battery pack from dealextreme/focalprice... which doesn't charge the phone from usb-out, but it works with usb-oldnokia + oldnokia-usb adapter combination ;) |
| 07:59.40 | johnx | ah, you're trying to do something useful in sb. that's your problem |
| 07:59.46 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: fakeroot apt-get |
| 07:59.48 | timeless_mbp | yeah yeah |
| 07:59.49 | Jaffa | Morning all |
| 08:00.05 | jaem | kirma, really? For the N900? |
| 08:00.08 | timeless_mbp | i'm using fakeroot, i think |
| 08:00.12 | jaem | morning, Jaffa |
| 08:00.28 | timeless_mbp | ah, i'm missing /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 08:00.34 | kirma | jaem: which specific part you refer by "really" ? :) |
| 08:00.35 | timeless_mbp | and the error message was incredibly unhelpful |
| 08:00.36 | jaem | heh... that might be an issue |
| 08:01.14 | jaem | kirma, I have a (presumably) similar battery pack, with the same problem, and was curious as to why the adapter made it work |
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| 08:01.39 | jaem | also, are those the adapters that are almost impossible to get these days, or other ones? |
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| 08:02.11 | timeless_mbp | nice |
| 08:02.24 | timeless_mbp | cp: cannot create regular file `/var/backups/infodir.bak' |
| 08:02.50 | kirma | either the adapter is intelligent and acts as USB host and negotiates power budget (extremely unlikely) or has just couple magic resistors between USB pads (much more likely, as far as I remember it's an extension to USB spec that indicates dumb charger on the end of the cable) |
| 08:04.03 | kirma | disconnected but powered usb hub doesn't work for me, neither does the battery pack directly; but cheapo chinese usb-"iphone" charger works, as well as hub when connected to computer, or the battery pack with adapter combination |
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| 08:05.24 | johnx | the good news is we get to piggy back off all of those usb-iphone chargers |
| 08:06.09 | kirma | devices that work with iphone 3GS are probably "good" ... but ones that don't claim to do so can be less certain. |
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| 08:08.10 | johnx | except when they're broken :) |
| 08:08.14 | johnx | (I wondered why someone left a "free" iphone charger on my desk at work. now I know.) |
| 08:08.29 | jaem | johnx, altruism? |
| 08:08.36 | johnx | it doesn't work :) |
| 08:08.41 | jaem | heh... I gathered |
| 08:09.03 | johnx | sometimes things that get left on my desk magically start working. and when that happens *sometimes* I give them back :> |
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| 08:22.13 | rmrfchik | damn.. in Russia the n900 price is $1k... fail. |
| 08:22.27 | Stskeeps | $1k? not bad |
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| 08:24.41 | kirma | rmrfchik: you know: there's widely spread knowledge of the fact that russia is one of those countries where higher price actually *improves* the customer perception of a product. |
| 08:25.30 | rmrfchik | fuck the perception. |
| 08:25.30 | kirma | at least in the eyes of the financially potential customers |
| 08:25.38 | rmrfchik | and nokia's price politic |
| 08:26.17 | rmrfchik | will buy competitor. it's sad. |
| 08:26.38 | kirma | regarding the chances of getting a cheap N900 with cyrillic keypad... well, that pricing is unfortunate. |
| 08:27.21 | kirma | anyway, price differences between markets are not arbitary |
| 08:31.16 | rmrfchik | Stskeeps: moreover, the first internet shop sells on price $2.1k. But I think this just greed |
| 08:32.10 | johnx | heh, speaking of pricing in different markets. I hear the PS2 just (officially) made it to Brazil for the equivalent of $500USD or so |
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| 08:34.16 | lardman|home | morning |
| 08:34.35 | lardman|home | can items be removed from a GtkTable? |
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| 08:34.56 | lardman|home | or, how can I make an empty V/HBox has zero wodth/height? |
| 08:35.01 | lardman|home | s/has/have |
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| 08:36.25 | lardman|home | I need to switch my screen items from horizontal to vertical to handle changes in orientation. Moving them between H/VBox containers works, but I get an ugly blak space where the empty container is |
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| 08:38.35 | lardman|home | ah, gtk_container_remove |
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| 08:40.22 | L0cutus | re |
| 08:40.33 | lardman|home | morning L0cutus |
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| 09:02.39 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
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| 09:08.05 | Stskeeps | i wonder how many times some sentence containing the words "n900" "waiting" "making" "me" "crazy" has been uttered |
| 09:08.33 | johnx | the people waiting for the n900 are making me crazy |
| 09:08.34 | Stskeeps | the device certainly has the potential to turn normally sane people into madmen :P |
| 09:10.07 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 09:10.09 | timeless_mbp | i object |
| 09:10.22 | timeless_mbp | counsel is asserting sanity of unknown people |
| 09:10.46 | timeless_mbp | pokes sbox until it has enough file system structure to let things install |
| 09:11.38 | [dmp] | Stskeeps: That would explain why my N900 got instanity test pre-installed :-) |
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| 09:20.31 | hrw | morning |
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| 09:48.09 | timeless_mbp | bad day |
| 09:48.17 | timeless_mbp | my sbox doesn't like me |
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| 09:49.59 | timeless_mbp | the x86 sbox works fine |
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| 09:59.04 | Stskeeps | morning javispedro |
| 09:59.17 | javispedro | moo |
| 09:59.22 | javispedro | what a nice day |
| 09:59.29 | javispedro | more trolls in tmo, more excuses in the DDP... |
| 10:00.21 | nomis | javispedro: where do you get excuses from the DDP? |
| 10:00.35 | javispedro | tmo of course. |
| 10:00.44 | Stskeeps | javispedro: it'll be interesting to see where the FN NDA&low level stuff could lead |
| 10:01.06 | javispedro | specially if they're completely serious about it |
| 10:01.15 | javispedro | since initially I disregarded that too quickly seems |
| 10:02.17 | Stskeeps | if they want us to treat FN seriously, FN should treat us seriously :) |
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| 10:03.00 | javispedro | exactly. I want them to AIR MAIL me instead of emailing me, and they have to refer to me as "sir". |
| 10:03.03 | ShadowJK | fn? |
| 10:03.08 | ShadowJK | oh |
| 10:03.22 | javispedro | and spell proof their mails so I can actually learn english from them. |
| 10:03.42 | javispedro | ;) |
| 10:04.37 | Stskeeps | but anyway, the weird attitudes is another step in making maemo a first degree player, also inside the company, -i think- |
| 10:04.47 | Stskeeps | that this fight is one that has to be taken :P |
| 10:05.04 | javispedro | heh, nice PoV |
| 10:05.17 | Stskeeps | cos you can't have two departments doing the same thing |
| 10:06.02 | javispedro | the issue is that it seems "it's not the same thing" |
| 10:06.09 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 10:06.49 | Stskeeps | in denmark we have the saying there needs to be dead bodies on the table before something is done about it |
| 10:07.22 | Stskeeps | and i think FN/MD can learn a lot from this encounter with open source developers |
| 10:07.34 | Stskeeps | and hopefully in the end work out for the better :P |
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| 10:08.48 | javispedro | as for myself though, I don't want to fight it -- I want the device :P 1 week warranty is more than what I had with this n810 :) |
| 10:09.21 | Stskeeps | well, it's also a learning process for open source developers |
| 10:09.45 | javispedro | guess so. |
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| 10:11.10 | javispedro | I just hope the "not as primary device" moniker is dropped entirely. |
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| 10:11.32 | Stskeeps | i bought my first n800 from US, and hence no warranty. |
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| 10:12.15 | timeless_mbp | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/685683 |
| 10:12.19 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: what did i do wrong? |
| 10:12.45 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: the shell looks really really messed up if it's scratchbox |
| 10:13.18 | timeless_mbp | it's scratchbox |
| 10:13.22 | Stskeeps | also, that's cs2005q3, aren't we at later version now? |
| 10:13.24 | timeless_mbp | there's a 'script' session |
| 10:13.46 | timeless_mbp | how would i know? |
| 10:14.07 | Stskeeps | i'm quite confident your target is malconfigured |
| 10:14.16 | timeless_mbp | oh sure |
| 10:14.27 | timeless_mbp | i had to make it from 'scratch' w/o following any directions |
| 10:14.36 | timeless_mbp | because the image i downloaded didn't have *anything* |
| 10:15.23 | Stskeeps | did you use the shiny installer? |
| 10:15.56 | timeless_mbp | i used the shiny zip that had a vmdk+vmx |
| 10:16.04 | timeless_mbp | what it didn't seem to have was a scratchbox |
| 10:16.06 | timeless_mbp | or anything else! |
| 10:16.20 | timeless_mbp | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 10:16.28 | timeless_mbp | claims i want scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 |
| 10:16.57 | Stskeeps | you will be a lot happier if you just downloaded a ubuntu vmdk and ran the installer in there |
| 10:17.08 | timeless_mbp | i think i'd be happier if i installed it into your Mer |
| 10:17.20 | Stskeeps | might work |
| 10:17.22 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 10:21.11 | javispedro | oh, they finally documented that vdso=2 also works |
| 10:21.21 | javispedro | still believes vdso=2 should be the default and not vdso=0 |
| 10:21.44 | javispedro | well, tbh, the default should be to apply the glibc patch to sbox already dammit. |
| 10:22.54 | Stskeeps | sb1 should just die |
| 10:22.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 10:23.07 | ccooke | *yawn* Morning |
| 10:24.10 | javispedro | not until sb2 gets up to speed |
| 10:24.13 | javispedro | morn ccooke |
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| 10:27.14 | Ford_Prefect | Hello! Has anybody managed to get pulseaudio running on Fremantle x86? |
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| 10:28.56 | timeless_mbp | woohoo |
| 10:29.03 | timeless_mbp | switching to cs2007 fixed it |
| 10:29.06 | timeless_mbp | i now have a cpa |
| 10:29.47 | Ford_Prefect | Put another way, is anyone facing problems with applications not being able to resolve the symbol "eventfd" |
| 10:30.27 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 10:30.33 | timeless_mbp | how do i make interesting targets? |
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| 10:34.31 | [1]crown | hi @all i have a little Problem with the install of SDK5.0 could anybody help me? i get the following error message in both ways (.py wizard and .sh install script) failed to fetch http:// (repo) /Packages.gz with a 401 Unautorized |
| 10:35.56 | [1]crown | i tried to fetch the file by wget directly this works i dont know why it wont work inside the script |
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| 10:37.04 | tigert | you run the script as root and wget as non-root? |
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| 10:37.23 | tigert | root does not have http_proxy set? |
| 10:37.25 | [1]crown | it tells me that i shouldnt run the script as root |
| 10:37.30 | tigert | ah |
| 10:37.33 | tigert | ok |
| 10:37.45 | [1]crown | so i dont used root for wget and the script |
| 10:37.47 | tigert | which script? |
| 10:38.24 | [1]crown | i have downloaded the maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sdk and he maemo-install-wizard_5.0.py |
| 10:38.30 | tigert | ok |
| 10:38.33 | qwerty12 | qole: (Since you "read the IRC logs") No, I did not hack the existing operator name widget. I wrote a new one. Unlike you, I used C for this task and not some bash scripts |
| 10:38.42 | [1]crown | both scripts stuck at the same time |
| 10:39.00 | Shapeshifter | lordy chromium is fast |
| 10:40.27 | [1]crown | but tigert you could be right i just see the wizard needs to run under root |
| 10:40.38 | [1]crown | i try the install script without root again |
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| 10:42.18 | [1]crown | @tigert i use the maemo sdk vm |
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| 10:43.25 | tigert | ok |
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| 10:48.37 | tigert | see what the sh script is trying to do and where it fails? |
| 10:48.42 | tigert | I dunno what else it could be |
| 10:48.43 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 10:48.59 | tigert | do you need a proxy in your network etc? |
| 10:49.06 | timeless_mbp | tries to remember how to distinguish between armel and (intel?) from debian/rules |
| 10:49.08 | [1]crown | @tigert i see that i cant reach the repo when iam root (tryed sudo su and then direct opend the link in bowser |
| 10:49.26 | [1]crown | @tigert so how can i solve this Problem generally |
| 10:49.27 | timeless_mbp | DEB_BUILD_ARCH_CPU ? |
| 10:52.04 | _berto_ | timeless_mbp: dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU |
| 10:52.17 | timeless_mbp | _berto_: from debian/rules ? |
| 10:52.22 | _berto_ | not sure if DEB_BUILD_ARCH_CPU is defined automatically |
| 10:52.29 | tigert | [1]crown: sorry, I dont know the script |
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| 10:52.42 | tigert | [1]crown: see what it is trying to do and where it fails |
| 10:52.43 | _berto_ | DEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU) |
| 10:52.46 | _berto_ | that could work |
| 10:52.51 | tigert | I cannot help more |
| 10:53.07 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 10:53.20 | [1]crown | @tigert it seems not to be a problem in the script itselve i cant reach the repository when iam root if iam not root i can download the files well |
| 10:53.23 | timeless_mbp | how do i get debian/rules to show me the commands it's actually running? :( |
| 10:53.50 | Stskeeps | it's a makefile? |
| 10:54.17 | timeless_mbp | that's helpful :) |
| 10:54.57 | _berto_ | timeless_mbp: you mean which targets are called ? |
| 10:55.24 | timeless_mbp | _berto_: not really sure |
| 10:55.27 | tigert | [1]crown: do you need to use a proxy? |
| 10:55.35 | timeless_mbp | i'll post a deb-src someday |
| 10:56.55 | timeless_mbp | dpkg-genchanges: warning: duplicate files list entry for file foo-ver_all.deb |
| 10:59.20 | _berto_ | timeless_mbp: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html |
| 10:59.51 | _berto_ | the targets that are called are 'debian/rules build' and 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' |
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| 11:03.53 | lardman | re |
| 11:04.06 | Stskeeps | wb lardman, qwerty12 |
| 11:04.16 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12: so, your cpa compiled in my stupid sbox |
| 11:04.32 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Thanks |
| 11:04.34 | lardman | hi Stskeeps |
| 11:04.40 | timeless_mbp | wonders how to get the deb to be built |
| 11:04.44 | qwerty12 | timeless_mbp: Woo. |
| 11:05.53 | lardman | I'm thinking of adding a barcode recogniser, e.g. MAEMO-INSTALL: to allow .install files to be contained in a 2D barcode. Any thoughts? |
| 11:05.56 | timeless_mbp | oh... |
| 11:06.02 | timeless_mbp | someone asked why i didn't use dpkg-trigger |
| 11:06.07 | timeless_mbp | the reason is that maemo doesn't support it |
| 11:06.23 | timeless_mbp | (seems to be a pretty good reason not to use it) |
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| 11:08.00 | timeless_mbp | that leads me to the "chasing my tail" path |
| 11:08.09 | timeless_mbp | so... |
| 11:08.16 | timeless_mbp | anyone understand 'apt-worker'? |
| 11:08.31 | timeless_mbp | is it: ham => apt-worker => dpkg => _me_ |
| 11:08.44 | timeless_mbp | and apt-get => dpkg => _me_ ? |
| 11:11.13 | lardman | also, if anyone wants a particular type of 2D barcode handled, please let me know what it is and how it should be handled |
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| 11:18.06 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 11:18.34 | timeless_mbp | wait |
| 11:18.43 | timeless_mbp | if i call foo & |
| 11:18.47 | timeless_mbp | and then i die |
| 11:18.53 | Stskeeps | then foo might die with you |
| 11:18.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:18.57 | timeless_mbp | foo's PPID will eventually become 1 |
| 11:19.24 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: if i don't actively orphan it? |
| 11:19.38 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 11:19.42 | Stskeeps | it is very dirty, fwiw |
| 11:19.48 | Stskeeps | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 11:19.59 | timeless_mbp | i need to suggest to the user that they reboot |
| 11:20.05 | timeless_mbp | but not until dpkg and friends finish |
| 11:20.07 | Stskeeps | isn't there a function for that? |
| 11:20.15 | timeless_mbp | triggers don't work on maemo |
| 11:20.18 | timeless_mbp | (tested) |
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| 11:21.49 | zaheerm | please test zoutube from extras-testing and vote/comment here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/zoutube/0.1-18/ |
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| 11:27.35 | ShadowJK | heh, verkkokauppa.com screen protector seems somewhat dubious. I think it has glue |
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| 11:28.06 | timeless_mbp | is the n900 available there? |
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| 11:28.25 | Stskeeps | oh no no .. |
| 11:28.27 | Stskeeps | http://www.themaemo.com/taking-the-red-pill/ |
| 11:28.54 | Stskeeps | i thought we had killed red pill by now :) |
| 11:28.58 | ShadowJK | timeless, 4.12 like everywhere else .fi !nokiashop |
| 11:29.18 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: nope, red pill is still very important |
| 11:30.19 | timeless_mbp | qole++ |
| 11:37.02 | lardman | does red pill actually do anything now? |
| 11:38.35 | timeless_mbp | it enables the install from file item |
| 11:38.40 | timeless_mbp | it shows packages which aren't user/ packages |
| 11:38.50 | timeless_mbp | it gives you settings which lets you tweak various caching bits |
| 11:39.05 | lardman | ah, I wondered where the install from file had gone |
| 11:39.07 | timeless_mbp | afaict, it hasn't been particularly neutered |
| 11:39.19 | zaheerm | i see maemo6 packages |
| 11:39.20 | lardman | but I didn't see millions of system packages like in the old days |
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| 11:39.43 | timeless_mbp | you probably haven't used settings to enable them |
| 11:39.49 | qwerty12 | That's because "Show all packages" is turned off by default |
| 11:39.53 | lardman | ah, that may well be it |
| 11:39.54 | lardman | cool |
| 11:39.59 | lardman | thanks |
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| 11:40.06 | timeless_mbp | i think the default advanced might be saner than it was in the past |
| 11:41.29 | Stskeeps | any here with windows 7 and flasher-3.5? |
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| 11:42.19 | Stskeeps | hello felbutss |
| 11:42.31 | felbutss | hi im working if someone can help me. i have a bricked N900 |
| 11:42.59 | Stskeeps | felbutss: could you start with telling us where you downloaded flasher-3.5? |
| 11:43.10 | lardman | Stskeeps: should have a laptop with Win7 sometime this week |
| 11:43.19 | felbutss | i ran this command on flasher which i downloaded from maemo.org |
| 11:43.20 | felbutss | C:\Program Files (x86)\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-1 1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 11:43.25 | felbutss | hey guys by the way |
| 11:43.35 | SpeedEvil | i assume there is also a linux flasher? |
| 11:43.45 | lardman | indeed |
| 11:43.49 | felbutss | and it keeps saying Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 11:43.52 | lardman | felbutss: is this a production device? |
| 11:43.53 | felbutss | im on windows 7. |
| 11:43.54 | Stskeeps | felbutss: is this a 64-bit windows, by the way? |
| 11:44.02 | SpeedEvil | needs to actually start reading shit now his device is prolly on the way. |
| 11:44.02 | felbutss | yes |
| 11:44.16 | lardman | felbutss: ok, that usb device not found is normal, until you plug in the device |
| 11:44.23 | Lynoure | felbutss: that does not sound like bricking, yet. |
| 11:44.46 | hrw | another question I have: maemo5 is compiled for armv7a with neon or just armv5te like it was in past? |
| 11:44.48 | lardman | felbutss: you attaching it to the root hub? |
| 11:44.59 | Stskeeps | hrw: armv7a |
| 11:45.13 | Stskeeps | felbutss: do you have a non-64 bit windows by chance? |
| 11:45.17 | felbutss | ill try that again. just a sec. ps: this is so stresful |
| 11:45.21 | hrw | Stskeeps: thx |
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| 11:45.29 | Stskeeps | felbutss: hehe, it's like your pet being sick :) |
| 11:45.31 | hrw | Stskeeps: so finally someone updated qemu in sbox? |
| 11:45.37 | Stskeeps | hrw: yeah |
| 11:46.03 | Stskeeps | felbutss: i think the problem is that flasher-3.5 does not work on 64-bit windows |
| 11:46.08 | felbutss | it is lol been waiting so long for this thing |
| 11:46.25 | felbutss | ye i thought soo. dammm need to find a xp machine |
| 11:46.41 | lardman | or a Linux box ;) |
| 11:46.41 | Lynoure | felbutss: Or linux live cd? |
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| 11:46.58 | felbutss | brb guys im going to work. ill try it on their machines |
| 11:47.06 | felbutss | see ya in 10 |
| 11:47.07 | Stskeeps | felbutss: the good news is that your device is probably not dead :) |
| 11:47.08 | Stskeeps | k |
| 11:47.15 | felbutss | i hope so |
| 11:47.21 | SpeedEvil | Is there a pedometer app? |
| 11:47.40 | lardman | SpeedEvil: no, but would be interesting |
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| 11:47.52 | lardman | hey javispedro |
| 11:48.13 | javispedro | hiyo lardman |
| 11:48.34 | SpeedEvil | I clipped my pedo to my boot, and lost it. |
| 11:49.23 | lardman | I've not looked at the raw accelerometer data, but should be easy enough to stick something together assuming the steps can be detected |
| 11:49.36 | javispedro | note that, at least on vista, command line windows in admin mode do clearly say so in the title bar |
| 11:49.50 | SpeedEvil | yeah. It's lots easier if you stick it to your ankle - but not hard even if not. |
| 11:50.16 | SpeedEvil | What's the 'always on' - running with low CPU usage battery life I would wonder though. |
| 11:50.24 | lardman | depends how ninja-like your steps are ;) |
| 11:50.31 | javispedro | ouch, I've been late :P |
| 11:50.32 | SpeedEvil | Well - that too. |
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| 11:50.49 | lardman | well it will last all day, certainly longer than I'll be walking |
| 11:50.53 | lardman | I imagine |
| 11:51.01 | lardman | not sure of the exact draw of the accelerometers |
| 11:51.21 | SpeedEvil | lardman: a miliamp or so, based on similar data. |
| 11:52.35 | lardman | plus the extra processor use |
| 11:52.43 | SpeedEvil | Zero. |
| 11:52.46 | lardman | but if it's a mA, that sounds not very much |
| 11:52.50 | SpeedEvil | Well - it should be |
| 11:52.59 | lardman | cpu will need to wake to read the hw |
| 11:53.32 | SpeedEvil | yes, I suppose I need to find the docs for the hw and read it. I've been putting off doing that until my order was confirmed. |
| 11:53.43 | lardman | derf: good that wikipedia page on shape matching, thanks |
| 11:54.02 | lardman | SpeedEvil: reading the accelerometer is quite easy, it's in the wiki |
| 11:54.12 | SpeedEvil | reading the accel is quite easy - yes. |
| 11:54.17 | lardman | SpeedEvil: you should be able to put together an app in about 10min, using python for example |
| 11:54.40 | SpeedEvil | I was more meaning working out if the current current draw is optimal, based on fundamental hardware limitations. |
| 11:54.53 | SpeedEvil | Or if it's software in any aspect. |
| 11:55.16 | lardman | I'd just test and see |
| 11:55.29 | SpeedEvil | for example - going through an interrupt handler and doing pedometer in kernel is going to be cheaper than doing it with dbus+python. |
| 11:55.46 | hrw | other question: as maemo5 is more or less based on Debian 'lenny' does it accept packages from it (when deps are fullfilled)? |
| 11:56.53 | lardman | hmm, my headphone indicator is not showing up, even tho noise is going through them.... |
| 11:58.42 | javispedro | hrw: they won't be optified, but of course, deps fullfilled is enough for any package to be accepted. |
| 11:59.04 | Stskeeps | hrw: i think it's still fairly etch based, but who knows.. |
| 11:59.05 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:59.17 | hrw | javispedro: personally I do not care about optify - will find out a way D: |
| 11:59.34 | lardman | hrw: what do you want to install? |
| 11:59.38 | javispedro | and of course most GUI packages will fail to appear on the menu |
| 11:59.59 | hrw | javispedro: maemo5 do not have menu. it just have crappy launcher |
| 12:00.06 | hrw | lardman: time will show |
| 12:00.22 | hrw | lardman: no device, no installing |
| 12:00.30 | lardman | ah, yes |
| 12:00.44 | hrw | lardman: and sdk image nearly collapsed when I installed half of extras in it |
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| 12:01.17 | fiferboy | hi all |
| 12:01.24 | Stskeeps | heya fiferboy |
| 12:01.30 | hrw | Stskeeps: maemo community team should get nokia to sponsor proper autobuilder based on Debian builder. |
| 12:01.37 | lardman | hi fiferboy |
| 12:01.48 | hrw | Stskeeps: now extras contain packages which are not installable due to lack of deps |
| 12:01.50 | lardman | fiferboy: how's fiferbaby 2.0? |
| 12:01.59 | Stskeeps | hrw: we are from Mer side pushing OBS personally |
| 12:02.00 | fiferboy | hi lardman, stskeeps |
| 12:02.11 | fiferboy | lardman, asleep in my arms now |
| 12:02.28 | lardman | gentle typing |
| 12:02.48 | fiferboy | I thought I would try to catch up with things, but talk is hopeless |
| 12:03.39 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: What packages in Extras aren't installable? |
| 12:03.44 | Jaffa | s/Stskeeps/hrw/ |
| 12:03.47 | hrw | Stskeeps: for me it can be even using qemu under qemu under qemu and all on 386sx with 2MB ram as long as result will be proper feeds |
| 12:04.00 | hrw | Jaffa: let me run vbox |
| 12:04.15 | fiferboy | anything big going on lately? |
| 12:04.51 | lardman | I've managed to get mbarcode into extras-devel |
| 12:04.56 | lardman | not done anything with emerillon |
| 12:05.07 | lardman | so not really :) |
| 12:05.14 | hrw | lardman: 'mbarcode' because it is 'maemo barcode'? |
| 12:05.23 | Stskeeps | oh dear |
| 12:05.40 | Stskeeps | qwerty12 and qwertyberty on t.m.o |
| 12:05.43 | Stskeeps | this is going to get complicated |
| 12:05.43 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:05.48 | w00t_ | blinks |
| 12:06.04 | Stskeeps | both from UK |
| 12:06.04 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:06.11 | lardman | hrw: yeah, and not allowed to use maemo in the name |
| 12:07.08 | hrw | lardman: if your app is onl for maemo platform then what sense is in adding 'm' to name? |
| 12:07.36 | hrw | if I will write modplayer then it will be hmqmodplay |
| 12:07.37 | fiferboy | it is weird not doing any programming for so long |
| 12:07.50 | hrw | to follow naming of other devs |
| 12:08.34 | lardman | hrw: who knows |
| 12:08.35 | derf | lardman: Yer welcome. |
| 12:09.00 | hrw | so instead of just 'Module player' it will be 'Hrw M.emo Qt Module Player' |
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| 12:09.39 | fiferboy | time to go put the baby down |
| 12:09.50 | lardman | hrw: yeah I understand, but decided not to name it after a noun |
| 12:10.00 | lardman | or something ;) |
| 12:10.16 | fiferboy | later all |
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| 12:11.05 | lardman | cu fiferboy |
| 12:12.56 | hrw | heh.. sbox do not have killall command |
| 12:14.51 | Stskeeps | sb-conf |
| 12:15.14 | hrw | Jaffa: fmradio deends on n900-fmtx-enabler which is not installable |
| 12:15.41 | adeus | be carefull with your kills inside the scratchbox |
| 12:15.53 | adeus | host processes are visible :) |
| 12:16.02 | hrw | Stskeeps: I did configured it for fremantle-x86 already |
| 12:16.05 | hrw | adeus: I know |
| 12:16.16 | hrw | adeus: and I use crapbox inside of vbox |
| 12:16.17 | adeus | good |
| 12:16.25 | Stskeeps | hrw: sb-conf has a kill all processes in target thing |
| 12:17.09 | adeus | yeah that's handy |
| 12:17.21 | hrw | and I love SBOX/etc/resolv.conf not being used for dns |
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| 12:18.15 | hrw | whoever created crapbox had some nice weed to smoke |
| 12:18.50 | hrw | if I do 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' INSIDE of sbox then it should show me what it uses for dns - right? |
| 12:19.00 | Stskeeps | or cat /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:19.21 | hrw | Stskeeps: they are different files |
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| 12:22.09 | derf | cat /etc/resolv.conf inside sb should just show 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:22.28 | hrw | ~hail @####$@#$@ who killed tab cycle in maemo5 gtk |
| 12:22.28 | infobot | ACTION bows down to @####$@#$@ who killed tab cycle in maemo5 gtk and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
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| 12:22.39 | felbutss | hey guys |
| 12:22.39 | Stskeeps | welcome back felbutss |
| 12:22.44 | felbutss | just got to work |
| 12:22.56 | derf | (which is users/<user>/targets/<target>/etc/resolv.conf) |
| 12:23.24 | felbutss | i prlug it in and it vibrats and the yellow light comes on, then i see nokia on the screen really faint with no back light |
| 12:23.29 | felbutss | its like the firmware is half there. then it keeps restarting |
| 12:23.38 | lardman | did it flash? |
| 12:23.55 | felbutss | suitible usb device now found |
| 12:24.02 | felbutss | suitible usb device not found |
| 12:24.08 | Stskeeps | felbutss: how was the battery state before this happened? |
| 12:24.22 | felbutss | about 20% |
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| 12:25.02 | Stskeeps | OK, did you bring your USB wall charger? |
| 12:25.12 | felbutss | shit |
| 12:25.14 | felbutss | no |
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| 12:25.18 | felbutss | lol |
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| 12:25.29 | felbutss | ok ill have to do it at my mates house now |
| 12:25.36 | Stskeeps | one reason why it might not flash may be due to low battery |
| 12:25.38 | felbutss | so u think i should charge it first |
| 12:25.39 | Stskeeps | it's a safety thing |
| 12:25.51 | Stskeeps | basically leave it in charger for a while, even if it continues rebooting |
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| 12:26.04 | felbutss | ok good point. very good point |
| 12:26.20 | felbutss | ill go home now and charge it. ill let u guys know how i went in the morning |
| 12:26.25 | Stskeeps | also, where do you plug in the usb cable? |
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| 12:26.30 | Stskeeps | in a usb port or directly in the PC? |
| 12:26.34 | Stskeeps | err, usb hub |
| 12:26.35 | guysoft_nokia | hey all, gpe calendar on my nokia n810 stopped resolving google calendars. is there anythinhg worng with it? |
| 12:26.38 | felbutss | in the back |
| 12:26.40 | felbutss | not the hub |
| 12:26.47 | Stskeeps | ok, good |
| 12:26.49 | lardman | even in the back it might be thro an internal hub |
| 12:26.59 | lardman | so you might need to switch the socket you use |
| 12:27.01 | felbutss | the battery really could be flat. makes sense. im just so panaking |
| 12:27.17 | felbutss | ok ill try that now brb |
| 12:27.17 | Stskeeps | felbutss: don't worry about it :) it's a managable problem for sure |
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| 12:27.38 | Stskeeps | you did everything by the book it seems, so |
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| 12:28.57 | guysoft_nokia | anyone uses here gpe calendar? |
| 12:30.54 | Stskeeps | felbutss: good luck with it - just come and poke me here when you have it more charged |
| 12:31.50 | tekojo | Hi, could someone check if they can run apt-get update in a Fremantle scratchbox environment |
| 12:31.56 | tekojo | preferrably outside Finland |
| 12:32.07 | hrw | Jaffa: extras-devel contains uninstallable stuff |
| 12:32.19 | hrw | Jaffa: abus-frabs depends abuse which is missing |
| 12:32.41 | hrw | apt-file, barrage, dfontmgr, aisleriot-card-theme-paris etc... |
| 12:33.17 | felbutss | ye im trying it on a diferent machine. still no luck. might need the wall charger. will it charge no matter the state of the firmware? |
| 12:33.29 | hrw | doc-base is required for few packages and is not available |
| 12:33.33 | Stskeeps | tekojo: i have issues |
| 12:33.45 | Stskeeps | felbutss: yes, the bootloader helps charging a little |
| 12:34.06 | felbutss | ok. im off home then. fingers crossed for the morning |
| 12:34.14 | felbutss | thanks for ur help stskeeps |
| 12:34.26 | tekojo | Stskeeps 401 ? |
| 12:34.26 | felbutss | if it works i o u |
| 12:34.32 | Stskeeps | tekojo: jabber |
| 12:34.50 | Stskeeps | felbutss: nah, just help out other people that has similar problems, and i'm happy :) |
| 12:34.57 | felbutss | cya |
| 12:39.45 | guysoft_nokia | hey all, gpe calendar on my nokia n810 stopped resolving google calendars. is there anythinhg worng with it? (repost) |
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| 12:49.40 | cenwesi | hello |
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| 13:03.16 | Davide | OMG where is my N900!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:03.22 | Davide | ZOMG!!!! |
| 13:04.58 | lardman | I just saw one fall past the window, perhaps it was yours? |
| 13:05.04 | Davide | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 13:05.22 | Davide | why didn't you catch it!!!!!! |
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| 13:05.30 | lardman | already got one |
| 13:05.35 | Myrtti | Davide: how about you have a cup of chill |
| 13:05.36 | lardman | don't want to be greedy |
| 13:05.56 | Davide | lol Myrtti |
| 13:06.18 | Davide | Myrtti, do you have an N900? |
| 13:07.42 | Myrtti | no, I' |
| 13:07.49 | Myrtti | m waiting for the prices go down a bit |
| 13:08.34 | Davide | I would have paid more to have it a month ago! |
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| 13:09.47 | Myrtti | and you are paying exactly how much now? |
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| 13:14.03 | Davide | $529 hopefully - $50 rebate = $479 USD |
| 13:14.04 | Myrtti | hm? |
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| 13:14.46 | Myrtti | and the prices here are currently around 830 USD, withtout rebates |
| 13:15.05 | Myrtti | so, while you'll be prepared to pay more, I'll just wait here patiently, thank you very much. |
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| 13:17.17 | toggles_w | Davide: apparently newegg is going to hav 10% off tomorrow bringing base price to $504 - $50 rebate, $455 or so.. |
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| 13:18.33 | toggles_w | Davide: http://gizmodo.com/5409755/newegg-black-friday-deals-leak |
| 13:18.55 | SpeedEvil | I think I end up at $444 - once my final rebate comes through. |
| 13:18.58 | toggles_w | no idea if it's actually true though but $450 is ok |
| 13:19.00 | SpeedEvil | Which isn't bad. :) |
| 13:19.08 | Davide | thanks... |
| 13:19.20 | Davide | my problem is with newegg I pay taxes here in California |
| 13:19.22 | Davide | with amazon I dont |
| 13:19.31 | Davide | so its still a little cheaper with amazon, but most of all |
| 13:19.37 | Davide | I don't want to delay the shipment any longer |
| 13:19.40 | toggles_w | yeah, i'm on the amazon list too |
| 13:19.43 | SpeedEvil | You pay taxes either way, you mean, you just have to remember to pay them one way you mean. |
| 13:19.45 | Davide | has newegg started shipping? |
| 13:19.47 | toggles_w | wonder when they will ship |
| 13:20.00 | Davide | SpeedEvil, riiiiiiite |
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| 13:20.08 | Davide | let me rephrase |
| 13:20.12 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:20.20 | Davide | with Amazon I can evade the IRS... with newegg I have to pay the taxes |
| 13:20.28 | SpeedEvil | That includes VAT at 17.5% - for me. |
| 13:20.40 | SpeedEvil | I wonder what's involved in setting up my own fake company. |
| 13:20.53 | glass_ | filling a form |
| 13:20.55 | toggles_w | SpeedEvil: you in the (y)UK? |
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| 13:20.55 | SpeedEvil | (vat registered) |
| 13:20.56 | Davide | is newegg shipping? |
| 13:20.58 | SpeedEvil | toggles_w: yes |
| 13:21.04 | SpeedEvil | toggles_w: actually. |
| 13:21.07 | SpeedEvil | checks. |
| 13:21.13 | toggles_w | SpeedEvil: where did you get it and are you locked into a contract? |
| 13:21.16 | SpeedEvil | toggles_w: yes, house hasn't been moved. |
| 13:21.27 | SpeedEvil | toggles_w: nokia.co.uk - with no contract - with several voucher codes. |
| 13:21.32 | toggles_w | i'll be in London thursday, if i can buy one cash for that price i might cancell newegg |
| 13:21.37 | Davide | toggles_w, do you have any info on when anazon is shipping? |
| 13:21.39 | SpeedEvil | toggles_w: You can't |
| 13:21.44 | toggles_w | Davide: nope, sorry |
| 13:21.50 | SpeedEvil | toggles_w: it was a one-off - expiring Oct 21 |
| 13:21.53 | toggles_w | SpeedEvil: blah.. you're a tease |
| 13:21.56 | Davide | Dell is shipping I read! |
| 13:22.02 | SpeedEvil | toggles_w: you can today get IIRC 15% off only. |
| 13:22.09 | Davide | shoulda gone with dell! |
| 13:22.22 | Davide | toggles_w, when did you order from amazon? |
| 13:22.25 | toggles_w | yeah, saw that yesterday |
| 13:22.49 | toggles_w | about a week ago, then reordered on sunday when they dropped the price again |
| 13:23.03 | Davide | you dont have to do that when they drop the price they'lll just adjust it |
| 13:23.09 | Davide | I'm afraid of re-ordering |
| 13:23.11 | toggles_w | yeah, i wasn't sure |
| 13:23.22 | Davide | I ordered on Oct. 17th |
| 13:23.31 | Davide | and I might not get the rebate cause of that |
| 13:23.38 | toggles_w | reorder! ;-) |
| 13:23.43 | Davide | but I"m afraid of re-ordering cause I don't want to lose my spot |
| 13:23.45 | SpeedEvil | (however - I am planning on eventually getting a contract which will work out - if it goes right - 'free'.) |
| 13:23.48 | SpeedEvil | (through rebates) |
| 13:23.52 | toggles_w | i'm sure it's ship date not order date |
| 13:23.59 | Davide | idk I hope so |
| 13:24.08 | Davide | I called nokia and they seemed to think it was the order date |
| 13:24.28 | Davide | idk |
| 13:24.39 | toggles_w | order another and ship it back ;-) |
| 13:24.40 | Davide | I dont care anyomre just want the damn thing |
| 13:24.45 | Davide | thought about that too |
| 13:25.06 | Davide | that means I cant open this one if it arrives first |
| 13:25.13 | Davide | lol |
| 13:25.27 | auenf | just accidentaly ship it to me |
| 13:26.35 | zaheerm | SpeedEvil, 15% in uk for a little while :) |
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| 13:26.52 | SpeedEvil | zaheerm: oh - true. |
| 13:26.56 | toggles_w | nokia.co.uk? |
| 13:27.04 | zaheerm | 15% vat |
| 13:28.27 | SpeedEvil | toggles_w: yes - me. |
| 13:29.28 | toggles_w | still works out to 415UKP or ~USD670, little much |
| 13:30.01 | toggles_w | i'll spend my money at the borough markets |
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| 13:44.41 | blwwar | hi |
| 13:44.45 | blwwar | is maemo based on OO |
| 13:45.00 | Stskeeps | err. |
| 13:45.10 | Stskeeps | parse error, please restate your question :) |
| 13:45.12 | CShadowRun | OO...OpenOffice? |
| 13:45.48 | CShadowRun | Whatever OO is, no. It's based on Debian :P |
| 13:46.59 | blwwar | object oriented |
| 13:47.51 | lardman | it's not C atm no |
| 13:47.54 | lardman | C++ even |
| 13:48.09 | blwwar | then what is it |
| 13:48.17 | Stskeeps | GObject may be consider OO.. |
| 13:48.21 | lardman | I guess so |
| 13:48.32 | blwwar | what language is it programmed in |
| 13:48.34 | lardman | blwwar: your question doesn't really make much sense you know |
| 13:48.57 | lardman | blwwar: mixture of asm, c for the most part, tho you can program in whatever lang you want |
| 13:49.05 | blwwar | ooh in C? |
| 13:49.09 | blwwar | and asm |
| 13:49.09 | blwwar | wow |
| 13:49.09 | lardman | it is Linux after all |
| 13:49.18 | blwwar | whats this thing abaout it being debian based? |
| 13:49.54 | lardman | the maemo ui stuff is in C, but is moving to Qt, which therefore means C++ |
| 13:51.18 | lardman | it's based on debian.... |
| 13:51.31 | lardman | uses the same tools, .deb files, apt-get, etc, etc |
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| 13:54.08 | blwwar | ah ok |
| 13:54.18 | blwwar | so this is something of a debian project? |
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| 13:54.56 | lardman | no |
| 13:55.02 | blwwar | ah k |
| 13:55.07 | blwwar | but wow asm and c |
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| 13:55.12 | blwwar | thats gotta be fast |
| 13:55.24 | lardman | blwwar: Linux is written in C and ASM |
| 13:55.29 | lardman | it is Linux |
| 13:55.30 | blwwar | right |
| 13:55.56 | lardman | a Linux which is based on Debian, with a UI called maemo |
| 13:56.02 | lardman | which is written in C |
| 13:56.02 | blwwar | ah |
| 13:56.07 | lardman | using GTK+ |
| 13:56.11 | blwwar | ok |
| 13:56.12 | lardman | but which will move to using Qt |
| 13:57.48 | blwwar | so isnt android partly based on linux ytoo? |
| 13:58.00 | lardman | yes, Linux is actually only the kernel |
| 13:58.01 | zaheerm | blwwar, it has a linux kernel |
| 13:58.06 | zaheerm | blwwar, but that is it |
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| 13:59.12 | blwwar | ok |
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| 13:59.48 | adeus | well... |
| 13:59.52 | adeus | maemo is based on debian |
| 14:00.01 | adeus | ..with a ui fw called hildon |
| 14:00.05 | lardman | ah yes |
| 14:00.40 | adeus | and Hildon is a set of GTK extensions |
| 14:00.45 | blwwar | so whats the objective? |
| 14:00.48 | blwwar | primary objective |
| 14:00.50 | blwwar | be fast? |
| 14:00.58 | lardman | be useful on a phone |
| 14:01.15 | blwwar | well most phones are |
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| 14:01.20 | blwwar | android is , iphone is |
| 14:01.25 | lardman | is what? |
| 14:01.25 | blwwar | whats going to be different about maemo |
| 14:01.29 | blwwar | useful |
| 14:01.37 | yuizy | open source |
| 14:01.38 | lardman | no, you asked what maemo's was goal was |
| 14:01.54 | blwwar | will the phones be equipped with a cam ? |
| 14:01.57 | lcuk | compatibility with desktop level libraries (and to some degree uis too) |
| 14:02.21 | lcuk | 2 cameras |
| 14:02.28 | blwwar | k |
| 14:02.42 | lcuk | go read http://maemo.nokia.com :) |
| 14:02.56 | glass_ | blwwar: main differences philosophically with android: native apps are encouraged. main difference with iphone: you don't need apple |
| 14:03.15 | glass_ | nor appstore shenigans |
| 14:03.35 | blwwar | will maemo come with a kill switch too? |
| 14:03.54 | lardman | if you hit someone really hard with it |
| 14:04.05 | glass_ | if you let someone to rm -rf |
| 14:04.09 | glass_ | dunno why would |
| 14:04.14 | vesa | you can kill processes =P |
| 14:04.15 | lcuk | glass_, "would you like a hannah montana screensaver with that?" |
| 14:04.18 | lardman | what's a kill switch? |
| 14:04.19 | blwwar | well |
| 14:04.21 | blwwar | what i mean is |
| 14:04.23 | cenwesi | does any one have any info on when Newegg will recieve and start shipping? |
| 14:04.29 | blwwar | android said you could install watever apps |
| 14:04.31 | glass_ | lcuk: hannah montana screensaver done in flash |
| 14:04.35 | blwwar | only later to find out they had a kill switch |
| 14:04.41 | derf | cenwesi: Yes. Someone does. |
| 14:04.43 | lardman | hmm, I see |
| 14:04.45 | blwwar | if they wanated to they could use the kill switch to erase your app |
| 14:04.52 | blwwar | or something of that degree |
| 14:04.57 | blwwar | it made big headlines im sure you all know |
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| 14:05.18 | lcuk | blwwar, only because they removed 1984 or something |
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| 14:05.27 | blwwar | whats 1984 |
| 14:05.31 | lardman | they can remotely remove apps from your Android phone? |
| 14:05.35 | blwwar | yeah |
| 14:05.38 | blwwar | it came in the newqs |
| 14:05.42 | lcuk | ahhh hang on, that was kindle |
| 14:05.46 | blwwar | and they were like " all phones have it but they dont admit to it" |
| 14:05.48 | lcuk | im getting my digital overlords mixed up |
| 14:05.54 | glass_ | they can remotely decide to do anything with your android, provided you install their updates |
| 14:06.02 | lardman | blwwar: service messages you mean? |
| 14:06.04 | VDVsx | discovered this pearl via qgil post about ovi.sore: http://store.ovi.com/content/77A1756EAB12B3EFE040050A87320E87?clickSource=search |
| 14:06.12 | VDVsx | ifart is doomed :P |
| 14:06.18 | blwwar | i dont remember what exactly |
| 14:06.19 | cenwesi | derf who? |
| 14:06.21 | blwwar | they called it a kill switch |
| 14:06.38 | lardman | I'm thinking about the implemention |
| 14:06.49 | lardman | specifically with reference to their comment about every phone having the ability |
| 14:06.52 | blwwar | so like |
| 14:06.53 | lcuk | VDVsx, you seen the vid/pic of someone with iphone with multiple pages of fart apps |
| 14:06.53 | blwwar | for support |
| 14:06.56 | lcuk | long way to go yet |
| 14:06.58 | glass_ | blwwar: anyhow, with maemo, you don't need appstore-someone-else-manages-your-apps shit, unless you want |
| 14:06.59 | blwwar | on maemo |
| 14:07.02 | blwwar | we come here? |
| 14:07.12 | VDVsx | lcuk, no, lol |
| 14:07.14 | blwwar | or mail nokia i suppose? |
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| 14:07.20 | lcuk | lemme just see |
| 14:07.36 | suihkulokki | who's going to do the first fart app for maemo? |
| 14:07.43 | lcuk | blwwar, depends on app source and stuff, usually theres support channels of some variety, whether it be bugtrackers or something |
| 14:07.57 | lcuk | well khertan already made light sabre and of course moobox exists |
| 14:08.05 | lcuk | so you could just change the pic and sounds |
| 14:08.07 | lcuk | and have fun |
| 14:08.07 | VDVsx | lcuk, that one is very advanced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiZNp65QWv8 |
| 14:08.19 | blwwar | ok |
| 14:08.25 | lcuk | suihkulokki, we need a doorbell widget |
| 14:08.38 | blwwar | no i mean issues with the phone besides hardware |
| 14:08.39 | glass_ | panic button widget |
| 14:08.46 | blwwar | i'd be looking at support from maemo right |
| 14:08.47 | glass_ | i a big button that would erase all your data |
| 14:08.48 | blwwar | for the n900 |
| 14:08.55 | lcuk | just a simple pic and a sound when pressed |
| 14:09.09 | lcuk | so kids can make variations without needing tonnes of knowledge |
| 14:09.29 | lcuk | it should be autopackagable and use khertans pypackager as well |
| 14:09.36 | lcuk | so you can download a "fart making app" |
| 14:09.40 | lcuk | and make as many as you want |
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| 14:09.49 | zaheerm | VDVsx, i updated the travel part for bcn long weekend, just check if it makes sense to you pls |
| 14:10.00 | lcuk | all configured correctly to pass the -testing criteria |
| 14:10.04 | VDVsx | zaheerm, let me see :) |
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| 14:10.36 | lcuk | are we arranging our own travel for long weekend or waiting for the .fi agency as usual? |
| 14:10.39 | zs | can I install latest maemo sdk on 64-bit architecture? |
| 14:10.44 | zaheerm | VDVsx, i replaced the fixmes that i added last week |
| 14:10.55 | zaheerm | lcuk, the fi agency already booked my flights |
| 14:11.20 | VDVsx | lcuk, me too |
| 14:11.26 | Ford_Prefect | Is libOMX_Core.so supposed to be available on the x86 part of the SDK? |
| 14:11.26 | lcuk | i best look back through my list then :S ive been a bit sidetracked gettin job |
| 14:11.58 | VDVsx | zaheerm, sound good, thanks :) |
| 14:12.02 | VDVsx | *sounds |
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| 14:25.52 | serenity | hi |
| 14:26.12 | t_s_o | hmm, so no warranty on discount devices... |
| 14:26.27 | serenity | is there a possibility to use the fm-transmitter for telephoning? |
| 14:26.41 | zaheerm | VDVsx, i should put a link to a google map from cornella station to the hotel i guess |
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| 14:31.03 | Jaffa | hrw: Does it give a reason as to why n900-fmtx-enabler is not installable? (apt-get might give more info) |
| 14:34.01 | hrw | Jaffa: that was all what it said |
| 14:34.12 | hrw | and I shutdowned that vbox |
| 14:34.23 | pillar | is there no unrar for maemo? |
| 14:35.08 | pillar | I can find unzip from extras-devel, but couldn't find anything mentioning rars |
| 14:38.01 | wazd | RST38h: ping |
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| 14:43.28 | lardman | hmm, just received a message from maemo.org about mbarcode, just containing a comment |
| 14:46.13 | lardman | hmm, never realised apps have their own pages |
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| 15:00.12 | mgedmin | pillar, unrar 1:3.5.4-1 exists in extras-devel |
| 15:00.17 | mgedmin | for fremantle |
| 15:00.35 | pillar | mgedmin hmm I wonder why I didn't see it then |
| 15:00.38 | pillar | thanks for the info |
| 15:01.11 | Stskeeps | pillar: command line application, so not in user/ |
| 15:01.14 | Stskeeps | apt-get would get it |
| 15:01.18 | pillar | ok |
| 15:03.11 | tigert | sigh, always this problem with extras-devel |
| 15:03.45 | tigert | ..and now it worked again once i whined about it |
| 15:03.46 | mgedmin | uses command-line just because app manager is soooo slooow |
| 15:04.00 | pillar | now I found it, but when trying apt-get install unrar it says unauthorized |
| 15:04.00 | tigert | some mirror being broken? |
| 15:04.56 | tigert | hah |
| 15:05.06 | tigert | apt-get install anarchism |
| 15:05.11 | tigert | sounds scary :) |
| 15:05.24 | tigert | apt-get life ;) |
| 15:05.48 | Stskeeps | pillar: there's a export filter problem on repositories right now |
| 15:06.39 | pillar | Stskeeps: I thought something might be going on - in app manager I kept receiving this failed error even on testing |
| 15:06.55 | mgedmin | pillar, it _always_ says unauthorized, dunno why nobody ever set up package signing properly for maemo |
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| 15:08.11 | lardman | it was removed wasn't it as it annoyed people |
| 15:08.27 | DocScrutinizer | in case anybody cares: Nokia Germany starts shipping preorders tomorrow, express first |
| 15:08.27 | sjaensch_ | mgedmin: there seems to be a problem with the repositories right now, at least for me. maybe that is what pillar is seeing? check out http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/free/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 15:08.34 | Ford_Prefect | It was weird - I got a 401 quoting an IP that wasn't mine |
| 15:08.38 | sjaensch_ | mgedmin: I'm getting a 401 (not authorized) |
| 15:08.41 | sjaensch_ | that used to work |
| 15:08.42 | Stskeeps | Ford_Prefect: that's the mirror's |
| 15:08.43 | mgedmin | ah, *that* 401 |
| 15:08.46 | mgedmin | sorry, I misunderstood |
| 15:08.51 | pillar | yep that's what I'm getting as well |
| 15:08.52 | tigert | yea repos doen for me too |
| 15:09.01 | tigert | 401, ditto |
| 15:09.19 | Ford_Prefect | Hum, worked for me after a while |
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| 15:09.27 | Ford_Prefect | Think I might have logged off and logged back in |
| 15:09.27 | pillar | now it worked for me |
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| 15:10.15 | VDVsx | jeremiah, ping |
| 15:11.10 | hrw | bye |
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| 15:15.47 | wazd | ok, I'm out to the nokia meetup |
| 15:16.04 | Stskeeps | have fun |
| 15:16.23 | wazd | Stskeeps: I think it's gonna look like a tragedy for me :D |
| 15:16.43 | Stskeeps | depends on who's there :P |
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| 15:17.32 | wazd | Stskeeps: I really hope they invited some genuine maemo guy, not just some russian PR manager |
| 15:17.51 | wazd | Stskeeps: that measures built-in memory in songs and DVD-quality movies :D |
| 15:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 15:20.59 | lardman | bmidgley: are you about? |
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| 15:29.08 | Juzna | is it possible to use latin9 with xterm somehow? |
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| 15:32.32 | zaheerm | VDVsx, thx for the bug report :) |
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| 15:33.24 | VDVsx | zaheerm, also the play/pause buttons seems a bit blurred, you're using stock icons right ? |
| 15:33.33 | zaheerm | VDVsx, yep |
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| 15:34.01 | zaheerm | VDVsx, i have experimental code here that changes the playing ui to be more like the media player one |
| 15:34.16 | zaheerm | but not all hooked up etc. |
| 15:34.22 | VDVsx | zaheerm, I've seen other apps in the same issue |
| 15:34.39 | VDVsx | maybe a bug or maybe there some other way to use the icons |
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| 15:35.10 | zaheerm | could be |
| 15:36.09 | VDVsx | zaheerm, did you tried to increase the video size ? looks bad ? |
| 15:36.30 | zaheerm | VDVsx, ? |
| 15:37.29 | zaheerm | VDVsx, i just made it appear in the size of the widget, so yes it resizes but it should preserve aspect ratio |
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| 15:38.03 | VDVsx | zaheerm, forget, I tried with a video that has black bar on the sides, lol |
| 15:39.06 | VDVsx | zaheerm, another feature request, probably you've it implemented yet :p |
| 15:39.32 | VDVsx | the controls should be add when you tape the screen |
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| 15:39.51 | zaheerm | VDVsx, yes that is in my experimental code |
| 15:39.54 | VDVsx | S/should be/ should be hided / |
| 15:40.24 | zaheerm | ie full screen by default, video full screen, controls come over the video when screen is tapped and then after a timeout of inactivity they go away |
| 15:40.49 | VDVsx | zaheerm, exactly :) |
| 15:40.58 | zaheerm | yep that i am working on |
| 15:41.06 | VDVsx | :) |
| 15:41.35 | zaheerm | maybe something that could be given some thought in barcelona |
| 15:41.52 | zaheerm | with some ux guys to suggest what would work best |
| 15:44.14 | lcuk | zaheerm, pics |
| 15:44.24 | zaheerm | lcuk, pics? |
| 15:44.43 | lcuk | of your app and ui and stuff |
| 15:45.01 | zaheerm | well the current released app you can install from extras-testing |
| 15:45.18 | zaheerm | and play with it |
| 15:45.36 | zaheerm | here is package page: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/zoutube/0.1-18/ |
| 15:45.55 | zaheerm | the experimental code is horribly broken currently :) |
| 15:46.06 | lardman | does it open YouTube videos? |
| 15:46.06 | zaheerm | so can't really show pics of that |
| 15:46.17 | zaheerm | lardman, yep it is a youtube browser |
| 15:46.35 | pupnik_ | did you see the fast forest scene using volumetric billboarding? |
| 15:46.41 | lardman | do you accept dbus requests? |
| 15:46.51 | pupnik_ | sorry wrong paste |
| 15:47.05 | zaheerm | lardman, no but i can add that in without much trouble i think |
| 15:47.25 | lardman | just that some barcodes can contain youtube://id data |
| 15:47.46 | zaheerm | lardman, yah no worries, can do that pretty easily i think |
| 15:47.46 | lardman | so was thinking what app should handle that |
| 15:48.02 | lardman | ok, no rush though, still other things to get sorted too :) |
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| 15:48.42 | dmj726 | hehe, was just going to let you know that it's broken |
| 15:48.58 | lardman | what's that? |
| 15:49.51 | dmj726 | zoutube |
| 15:50.00 | lardman | ah, not me then |
| 15:50.02 | zaheerm | dmj726, it is? :) |
| 15:50.05 | lardman | goes back to work |
| 15:50.11 | zaheerm | dmj726, what's broken in it? |
| 15:50.45 | zaheerm | and are you using the latest version in extras-testing? |
| 15:51.16 | dmj726 | it seems to get stuck loading the video |
| 15:51.35 | dmj726 | yeah...latest version in it's either testing or devel |
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| 15:52.19 | dmj726 | When I click to load a video it freezes |
| 15:52.31 | zaheerm | dmj726, on n900 or scratchbox? |
| 15:52.38 | dmj726 | scratchbox |
| 15:52.44 | dmj726 | I don't have an n900 yet |
| 15:52.56 | VDVsx | qwerty12, with your new app name we've the full set :P lol |
| 15:53.07 | zaheerm | dmj726, if you run it with: run-standalone.sh /opt/zoutube/zoutube can you paste me the stdout in a pastebin |
| 15:53.13 | qwerty12 | VDVsx: Blame thp :P |
| 15:53.19 | VDVsx | Modest Petrovich Mussorgsky lol |
| 15:53.57 | derf | Haha. |
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| 15:54.25 | Juzna | umm |
| 15:54.40 | Juzna | n900 has only utf8 charsets compiled? |
| 15:55.44 | nomis | Juzna: what do you mean? |
| 15:55.48 | Robot101 | non-utf8 is loss |
| 15:55.54 | bilboed-pi | omg, no utf16 ! we're doooomed |
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| 15:56.10 | Juzna | id prefer latin9 currently |
| 15:56.11 | bilboed-pi | maemon not compatible with 1990's windows software |
| 15:56.31 | Juzna | or it would be nice have proper charset with ssh |
| 15:56.39 | Ceron^ | thats why Juzna prefers windows mobile! |
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| 15:56.44 | Robot101 | if your ssh is broken, its because your remote end is broken |
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| 15:56.58 | Robot101 | it's 2009, unicode has been around for a looooong time |
| 15:57.01 | Ceron^ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat use this on your maemo! |
| 15:57.06 | Robot101 | phone your sysadmin and tell them to toughen up |
| 15:57.09 | Juzna | :D |
| 15:57.15 | Juzna | yes but it aint a solution |
| 15:57.33 | Robot101 | patch maemo-xterm to support other encodings then |
| 15:57.40 | Robot101 | vte probably supports it |
| 15:57.43 | benno2 | hi, I have a N810. does anyone know how I can set the speaker volume to maximum using a script ? thanks. |
| 15:57.57 | Robot101 | you don't need the locale on your device to decode terminal output differently |
| 15:58.05 | Robot101 | but really, where are you SSHing to? the 70s? |
| 15:58.15 | Juzna | sweet 80s |
| 15:58.42 | pupnik_ | Enigma is a "perfect" marble game for N900 |
| 15:58.45 | Robot101 | don't you need an x3270 terminal emulator? |
| 15:58.57 | Robot101 | you could be the first mainframe sysadmin from your N900 |
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| 15:59.18 | dmj726 | Heh...now I'm confused |
| 15:59.36 | dmj726 | zaheerm: it was totally freezing up not 5 minutes ago. |
| 15:59.52 | pupnik_ | we couldn run the ibm z-series emu on N900 |
| 15:59.56 | dmj726 | Perhaps the restart of scratchbox fixed it. |
| 16:00.14 | pupnik_ | whats it called |
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| 16:03.07 | zaheerm | dmj726, lol |
| 16:03.16 | zaheerm | dmj726, if you reproduce it let me know |
| 16:03.23 | dmj726 | sorry to waste your time there! |
| 16:04.45 | dmj726 | ...yeah it might've been some weirdness between my bastardtube and your zoutube |
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| 16:06.28 | dmj726 | ...nope that's not it |
| 16:07.07 | dmj726 | ...fyi bastardtube is just zoutube with a bastardized gui |
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| 16:19.54 | Stskeeps | heya qole |
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| 16:20.12 | qole | Stskeeps, hey |
| 16:20.21 | Stskeeps | how's it going? |
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| 16:21.36 | qole | heading off to work... |
| 16:21.54 | Stskeeps | hehe :P i'm never really sure when i'm at work these days |
| 16:22.17 | qole | on the bus, restoring my N900 from the full reflash I gave her last night... |
| 16:22.57 | qole | I miss your style of job, working from home |
| 16:23.15 | Stskeeps | i like it occasionally but i don't get to use my n900 so much as a mobile device :P |
| 16:23.53 | AdmiralUD | could anybody provide some pointers on where to look for APIs to access SMS information in maemo5 (n900)? |
| 16:24.00 | Stskeeps | qole: btw, weird idea i had.. it should technically be possible to grab open source .deb packages of diablo, drop them in a chroot, and have diablo chroot on fremantle P |
| 16:24.27 | qole | I notice my battery level was significantly higher after reflash, so one of the things they've done is lowered the "Empty" level... |
| 16:24.37 | Stskeeps | that's probably good :P |
| 16:25.27 | qole | Stskeeps, my experience is that you can't have two hildon desktops running simultaneously. |
| 16:25.48 | Stskeeps | well, for apps, not HD itself |
| 16:25.58 | Stskeeps | then again may be too much effort :P |
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| 16:27.25 | qole | no, Diablo chroot works, but there isn't a huge need for it, except to save rootfs space... |
| 16:27.48 | Stskeeps | nods |
| 16:28.35 | qole | that development chroot idea of yours was a big hit with qwerty12... |
| 16:29.00 | Stskeeps | yeah, someone else made it too didn't they? |
| 16:29.23 | jeremiah | VDVsx: pong |
| 16:30.32 | VDVsx | jeremiah, about the repos, but you perhaps are already taking care of this :9 |
| 16:30.33 | qole | Stskeeps, yes. |
| 16:30.38 | lardman | jeremiah: hey |
| 16:30.41 | jeremiah | hi |
| 16:30.48 | jeremiah | VDVsx: Yeah, diablo packages not getting in? |
| 16:31.03 | lardman | jeremiah: Any thoughts as to how to remove python as a runtime dep for zbar (is a build-time dep as it builds bindings)? |
| 16:31.07 | VDVsx | jeremiah, not fremantle ones are a bit broken these days |
| 16:31.10 | VDVsx | *nop |
| 16:31.14 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: the 401 stuff is not jeremiah's fault i think :P |
| 16:31.21 | qole | ha, keyboard remapped! Fn-right = Tab |
| 16:31.26 | Stskeeps | qole: how? :P |
| 16:31.37 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, yeah, but I'm getting other errors in the last days |
| 16:31.38 | Stskeeps | would like to move things on his kbd a bit |
| 16:31.51 | jeremiah | VDVsx: What kind of errors are you getting? |
| 16:31.55 | VDVsx | -devel is most of the time with issues |
| 16:32.07 | VDVsx | something about a hash key |
| 16:32.10 | VDVsx | let me check |
| 16:32.41 | jeremiah | hash key? Interesting. |
| 16:32.53 | qole | see dev mailing list ... now all I have to do is, "xkbcomp qole.xkb :0" as root to get my custom mappings. |
| 16:33.07 | Stskeeps | cool |
| 16:33.10 | qole | should I find the post? |
| 16:33.16 | Stskeeps | so they actually do use xkb |
| 16:33.18 | Stskeeps | that's nice |
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| 16:34.18 | Stskeeps | so, when is X-Fade back from vacation? :P |
| 16:35.17 | VDVsx | jeremiah, works know :p |
| 16:35.20 | VDVsx | *now |
| 16:35.47 | jeremiah | Well - I'll be taking a look at the repos later tonight |
| 16:35.58 | qwerty12 | andre__: pcntuation iz optinal u no |
| 16:36.02 | jeremiah | I'll poke into the fremantle repos and logs to see if I can find something. |
| 16:36.20 | andre__ | qwerty12, you're stalking me! ;-) |
| 16:36.22 | jeremiah | Stskeeps: Heh, we all want to know |
| 16:36.35 | jeremiah | When does the X man return? |
| 16:36.43 | qwerty12 | andre__: Look behind you, or rather... don't |
| 16:36.53 | VDVsx | jeremiah, I had a lot issues during the weekend :( |
| 16:36.55 | Stskeeps | should register for qaiku |
| 16:36.58 | jeremiah | Since he has not documented his code very well, he is needed badly. |
| 16:37.08 | jeremiah | Stskeeps: You're not on maemork? |
| 16:37.16 | Stskeeps | jeremiah: no, but i guess i should be :P |
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| 16:37.48 | Stskeeps | been doing reporting another place so :P |
| 16:37.59 | andre__ | qwerty12: behind me I can only see my pool and my golf course. you invisible?! |
| 16:38.04 | jeremiah | That is the thing - one ends up reporting in so many places |
| 16:38.11 | jeremiah | Kind of frustrating. |
| 16:38.11 | andre__ | +1 |
| 16:38.31 | jeremiah | But I think maemork is semi-official and both Tero and Quim are there so . . . |
| 16:38.45 | qole | thank you all for reporting to the community. |
| 16:38.51 | qwerty12 | andre__: Your golf course provides lots of places from which I can see you but you cannot see me |
| 16:39.14 | andre__ | hmm. hmm, hmm. i should have built a way cheaper one. |
| 16:39.30 | qole | and yes, Stskeeps, get on maemork |
| 16:39.45 | Stskeeps | qole: i am, suddenly realized something wasn't quite right :) |
| 16:41.05 | derf | lardman: Should the Python bindings maybe be in a separate package? |
| 16:41.35 | benno2a | is it possible in maemo 4 (n810) to autostart an application when the desktop comes up ? |
| 16:41.44 | benno2a | I need to start a shell script |
| 16:41.45 | jeremiah | qole: :) Thank you for saying thanks - it may seem like a small thing but it is nice to know that one does not go unnoticed. |
| 16:42.15 | qwerty12 | jeremiah: Mmm, you know we all hate you, right? |
| 16:42.22 | jeremiah | Well, that I knew. |
| 16:42.43 | jeremiah | I just want ackowledgement of that. =D |
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| 16:45.02 | qole | jeremiah, I have my packages in "free" now, they are going through the autobuilder! |
| 16:45.16 | qole | beams with pride |
| 16:46.14 | jeremiah | qole: You rock! |
| 16:46.27 | jeremiah | And you are haning out here! |
| 16:46.34 | jeremiah | s/haning/hanging |
| 16:46.45 | jeremiah | qole == serious dev |
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| 16:47.49 | VDVsx | jeremiah, btw, I replied to your email about better doc for the maemo.org infra, but the mail got stuck in the approval list of the maemo-work private list, dunno who's the admin :( |
| 16:48.25 | jeremiah | I will hunt that down - that kinda sucks |
| 16:48.54 | jeremiah | I think the council needs to gently remind Nokia / Nemein / maemo.org devs that the servers are really community property |
| 16:49.04 | jeremiah | And they need to be dealt with in a transparent matter |
| 16:49.11 | jeremiah | Which means lots of documentation |
| 16:49.36 | qole | jeremiah, not a serious dev yet, but learning.... I can run git on my N900 too, push commits to garage and everything. |
| 16:49.54 | AdmiralUD | I am trying to read SMS messages in maemo 5 from code, am I on the right track with the telepathy APIs and the rich text interface? |
| 16:50.20 | jeremiah | qole: Actually, you're package is pretty complex |
| 16:50.50 | jeremiah | sorry, I meant your package is pretty complex |
| 16:50.52 | VDVsx | jeremiah, I've asked nemein guys & dneary & Tero, but no luck :P |
| 16:51.19 | jeremiah | VDVsx: Okay - it should be ferenc who knows that bit, since he is being X-Fade while X-Fade is away |
| 16:51.31 | VDVsx | jeremiah, no is not |
| 16:51.39 | jeremiah | No? |
| 16:51.41 | jeremiah | hunh |
| 16:51.43 | jeremiah | weird |
| 16:52.05 | VDVsx | jeremiah, nop, was the first one that I poked :) |
| 16:52.19 | jeremiah | yeah, that is who I would have poked. |
| 16:53.06 | jeremiah | I can take a look, but generally X-Fade handles the mailing lists. |
| 16:53.16 | jeremiah | Maybe we need a listmaster too. :( |
| 16:53.58 | andre__ | yes, as I still have not seen my posting from 5 weeks ago which was bigger than 40KB :-( |
| 16:56.19 | jeremiah | Yeah, the lists have been kinda light lately |
| 16:56.26 | jeremiah | And there has been some weird mail going out |
| 16:56.45 | jeremiah | So someone who likes to look through mail logs might be useful right now. |
| 16:56.52 | jeremiah | Guess that is me for the time being. :) |
| 16:57.05 | Klowner_ | bah, I should have pre-ordered at Nokia Chicago and just drove 3 hours to pick up the darned thing |
| 16:57.43 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:59.57 | Stskeeps | wb |
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| 17:00.28 | javispedro | hi |
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| 17:04.04 | TheInternet | Hello all! |
| 17:04.10 | Stskeeps | hello |
| 17:06.17 | TheInternet | I won a computer at work the other day (with no operating system on it)! |
| 17:06.37 | TheInternet | I installed ubuntu and thought I would give linux a try |
| 17:06.46 | qwerty12 | Man, everyone knows MS-DOS is the shit |
| 17:06.52 | Ceron^ | http://i.imgur.com/56FnX.jpg |
| 17:06.54 | VDVsx | is also creating a qaiku account for maemork :) |
| 17:07.09 | TheInternet | I ran into the Maemo 5 SDK and decided to install it |
| 17:07.20 | TheInternet | now, having never done anything in linux before |
| 17:07.21 | Stskeeps | that's a strange turn of events, TheInternet |
| 17:07.24 | TheInternet | im completely lost |
| 17:07.50 | Klowner | TheInternet: if you've used osx extensively you're probably not too lost |
| 17:08.08 | TheInternet | My main machines are Windows-based |
| 17:08.17 | Klowner | oh, well then, you're probably pretty lost |
| 17:08.21 | TheInternet | (work, play, etc.) |
| 17:08.25 | jeremiah | qwerty12: lulz |
| 17:08.28 | kalikiana | TheInternet, that's an odd way to learn linux, but an unusual idea, I like that :-) |
| 17:08.29 | pupnik_ | linux 101 |
| 17:08.34 | jeremiah | MS-DOS is the shit |
| 17:08.42 | pupnik_ | welcome to the shell |
| 17:08.48 | dmj726 | Don't worry, many of us were once Windows users. |
| 17:08.56 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 17:08.56 | TheInternet | haha |
| 17:09.05 | SpeedEvil | I used it till about 1998. |
| 17:09.05 | TheInternet | bring me to the light |
| 17:09.09 | TheInternet | gentlemen |
| 17:09.10 | SpeedEvil | maybe 99. |
| 17:09.17 | Klowner | heheh, 10 years ago, yea |
| 17:09.32 | qwerty12 | is typing from an XP machine |
| 17:09.41 | jeremiah | stares at qwerty12 |
| 17:09.51 | dmj726 | TheInternet: Don't be afraid of the terminal (In windows it's the command line). |
| 17:09.53 | pupnik_ | i quit windows after developing for sql server 6.x |
| 17:09.58 | jeremiah | fires his eyeball lasers at qwerty12 |
| 17:10.05 | qwerty12 | jeremiah: That stare... Man. */me hides* |
| 17:10.06 | TheInternet | anyone care to elaborate as far as installation goes |
| 17:10.14 | kalikiana | dmj726, command line != terminal |
| 17:10.26 | kalikiana | the command line is inside the terminal ;) |
| 17:10.33 | jeremiah | watches as qwerty12's XP machine goes up in smoke. |
| 17:10.37 | Klowner | TheInternet: you haven't installed ubuntu yet? |
| 17:10.38 | pupnik_ | TheInternet: there is a sdk wiki and docs |
| 17:10.50 | TheInternet | yeah i installed ubuntu |
| 17:10.54 | pupnik_ | if something is unclear lets fix wiki |
| 17:10.58 | jeremiah | presents qwerty12 with a brand new debian machine |
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| 17:11.12 | dmj726 | They're analogous concepts linux "terminal" >> windows "command line" |
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| 17:11.36 | dmj726 | TheInternet: What is causing you trouble? |
| 17:11.52 | VDVsx | do you use any app to follow #maemork ? :) |
| 17:12.06 | VDVsx | jeremiah, ^ |
| 17:12.18 | VDVsx | is new to Qaiku :) |
| 17:12.22 | TheInternet | i am trying to install the sdk using the .py GUI installer |
| 17:12.24 | kalikiana | dmj726, they're not. a terminal is just what's around the interpreter. think terminal *emulator* if that helps |
| 17:12.27 | qwerty12 | VDVsx: Not #maemork, but I'd recommend the following: eyes, an internet browser, and the F5 button |
| 17:13.17 | VDVsx | kicks qwerty12's cat -> http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/138843-1/Cat_attacks_Breakdancer.gif :P |
| 17:13.48 | qwerty12 | Heh |
| 17:13.53 | dmj726 | kalikkiana: Okay, I get that. My point was that the from the new user perspective the going to the "terminal" is like going to the "command line" on windows |
| 17:14.06 | Klowner | TheInternet: which instructions are you following? |
| 17:14.39 | TheInternet | the ones at the maemo.org wiki |
| 17:15.22 | Klowner | TheInternet: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners is the one for maemo 5, or are you setting up maemo 4? |
| 17:15.22 | TheInternet | 5 |
| 17:15.41 | TheInternet | what is scratchbox |
| 17:16.06 | Klowner | part of the cross compiling stuff I think |
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| 17:16.27 | TheInternet | oh riht |
| 17:16.29 | TheInternet | right |
| 17:16.34 | TheInternet | it says it on the site you linked me to |
| 17:16.38 | TheInternet | thanks Klowner |
| 17:16.43 | jeremiah | VDVsx: You know, I have tried with several apps, but the best tool I think is an RSS reader |
| 17:16.52 | TheInternet | I'll give this a try and let you know whats up |
| 17:16.59 | jeremiah | Since Quaiku doesn't really work in Mauku from fremantle for some reason |
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| 17:17.36 | jeremiah | Scratchbox is a development environment, part of the SDK for Maemo |
| 17:17.54 | TheInternet | got it, thanks! |
| 17:18.06 | TheInternet | i'll be back later gentleman |
| 17:18.16 | TheInternet | hopefully with a successful status update |
| 17:18.21 | TheInternet | (and more questions) |
| 17:18.33 | jeremiah | Good luck! |
| 17:18.35 | Klowner | I'm going through the instructions as well |
| 17:18.38 | Xisdibik | sighs |
| 17:18.43 | Xisdibik | yet another day of rage against qwerty12 |
| 17:19.02 | Klowner | hrm, authorization required for http://repository.maemo.org/unstable/5.0beta2/maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0beta2.sh |
| 17:19.22 | qwerty12 | <soliloquy> They all hate me. *sniff* </soliloquy> |
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| 17:20.35 | Xisdibik | ;) |
| 17:20.48 | Klowner | the maemo-sdk-install_5.0beta2.sh downloads fine, but the maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0beta2.sh is returning a 401 |
| 17:21.27 | Klowner | anyone around that has access to prod repository.maemo.org's innards? |
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| 17:23.03 | kalikiana | Klowner, I can open that file just fine. Is it just empty for you? |
| 17:23.22 | Klowner | it's giving me a 401 auth required response |
| 17:23.45 | Klowner | now it works.. |
| 17:23.46 | Klowner | wtf |
| 17:24.12 | Stskeeps | there's an issue at the moment, Klowner |
| 17:24.27 | Klowner | Stskeeps: ah k, just so I'm not losing my mind.. it downloaded now just fine |
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| 17:25.28 | lardman | re |
| 17:25.28 | Klowner | although that's no proof I haven't already lost my mind |
| 17:26.01 | realitygaps | is getting 401 Unauthorized [IP: 213.155.157.9 80] on sdk repository |
| 17:28.22 | lardman | wills the 770 serving the maemo.org pages to go a little faster |
| 17:28.39 | Klowner | heh |
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| 17:29.45 | lardman | anyone got a pointer to some dbus calls to send an email, off hand, while I wait for maemo.org? |
| 17:31.40 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: ping |
| 17:31.54 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Aye? |
| 17:32.08 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: what happens if only mbxaccess.ko is loaded? not omaplcd |
| 17:32.19 | kalikiana | lardman, does hildon mime not do that? |
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| 17:32.34 | kalikiana | or maybe I'm remembering wrongly |
| 17:32.47 | lardman | kalikiana: I've not tried, but again was hoping to keep everything in memory rather than writing to disk |
| 17:32.57 | lardman | though in this case I may not need to I suppose |
| 17:33.10 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: No idea, my N810 is upstairs |
| 17:33.12 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:33.19 | lardman | Stskeeps: output-wise? |
| 17:33.19 | qwerty12 | Think its battery is dead, actually |
| 17:33.27 | kalikiana | lardman, you want to send one including the message body? |
| 17:33.31 | qwerty12 | lardman: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Data_Sharing/SendVia_Functionality |
| 17:33.31 | lardman | or what the module actually does? |
| 17:33.36 | kalikiana | if it's just the address it should be fine |
| 17:33.46 | lardman | kalikiana: no, just open one a la mailto: |
| 17:33.58 | qwerty12 | (/me finds libsharingdialog more fun...) |
| 17:34.22 | lardman | libmodest_dbus_client_compose_mail() |
| 17:34.24 | lardman | ah ha |
| 17:34.27 | lardman | thanks qwerty12 |
| 17:35.04 | lardman | qwerty12: join us |
| 17:35.18 | qwerty12 | Never! The Dark Side is not for me! |
| 17:35.24 | kalikiana | will the above work if you have different client? |
| 17:35.32 | kalikiana | hardcoding modest seems ugly |
| 17:35.36 | javispedro | join us, and we can rule the galaxy, like father and son! |
| 17:35.43 | lardman | in 3D |
| 17:39.03 | lardman | hmm, need to charge my N810 too |
| 17:40.15 | _berto_ | I like how this thing records videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odUVFjP3HmA&fmt=35 |
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| 17:40.24 | _berto_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNwhEotvyBs&fmt=35 |
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| 17:51.45 | johannes1 | hi, is it possible to install maemo on an i386 PC? |
| 17:52.41 | Flandry | hi. Why? |
| 17:53.40 | Stskeeps | ~mer |
| 17:53.41 | infobot | mer is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer |
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| 17:54.34 | johannes1 | I want to use an itx via board and a touchscreen with maemo and mmpc |
| 17:54.50 | johannes1 | shall I have a look at mer? |
| 17:55.20 | Flandry | yeah that's what you're looking for |
| 17:55.34 | Flandry | sounds fun :) |
| 17:56.33 | johannes1 | thx |
| 17:57.27 | kalikiana | Hm... why does it feel like opening an app from console is faster than from an icon |
| 17:57.49 | kalikiana | Or maybe my perception is wrong |
| 17:58.41 | lcuk | kalikiana, you are right, opening "ls" from the command line is faster than clicking on its .desktop file. parsing it starting up a new console session, passing in parameters and running "ls" |
| 17:58.42 | muep__ | I'd guess the amount of code that runs when you launch directly from a running shell is a lot smaller than that of pressing an icon |
| 17:59.08 | kalikiana | lcuk, :P |
| 18:00.34 | lcuk | some apps are started with dbus services when you click them dont they? |
| 18:00.42 | lcuk | and if you run the binary it just runs |
| 18:01.13 | kalikiana | everything is started via dbus, that is fine. it just seemed the different was more than just dbus overhead |
| 18:01.33 | kalikiana | but I'm not sure anymore if I see the difference, it's hard to estimate |
| 18:02.22 | lcuk | will need to check |
| 18:02.33 | lcuk | scientifically |
| 18:02.41 | wiretapped | SCIENCE! |
| 18:03.12 | kalikiana | "I'm sciencing as fast as I can" ;) |
| 18:03.17 | Flandry | start waving your hands then |
| 18:03.31 | derf | That's mathematics. |
| 18:03.34 | derf | It's not the same. |
| 18:03.55 | Flandry | has lost faith in the academic science establishment, of which he is a small cog. |
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| 18:04.12 | derf | Why did you ever have faith in it? |
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| 18:04.29 | Flandry | I'm an idealist i guess |
| 18:07.20 | aSIMULAtor | good evening. |
| 18:07.51 | Flandry | a SIMULAted good evening to you |
| 18:07.51 | Stskeeps | good evening |
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| 18:08.56 | lardman | is it possible to dial a telephone number programmatically? |
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| 18:09.24 | kalikiana | lardman, yep, via dbus |
| 18:09.30 | lardman | cool |
| 18:09.37 | kalikiana | let me look up the name |
| 18:09.45 | lardman | thanks |
| 18:09.50 | kalikiana | dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.CallUI --type=method_call /com/nokia/CallUI com.nokia.CallUI.CreateCall string:"tel:0123456" |
| 18:09.51 | wazd | You wouldn't beleive it |
| 18:09.52 | lardman | is there a list somewhere? |
| 18:10.02 | lardman | wunderbar, thanks |
| 18:10.13 | wazd | My pal won n900 :) |
| 18:10.26 | lcuk | if(alcohollevel>9000) call_holly_tell_her_im_stuck_in_office(); |
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| 18:10.58 | lardman | lol |
| 18:11.12 | lardman | nah, I'm walking to avoid becoming my name |
| 18:11.34 | lardman | but I have just read tel: is a valid "URI" in some barcodes, so I'm writing a handler |
| 18:12.13 | VDVsx | wazd, lol |
| 18:12.23 | VDVsx | you're a lucky guy :p |
| 18:12.27 | wazd | I'm still dry |
| 18:12.37 | qwerty12 | wazd: Congratulations! |
| 18:13.07 | wazd | qwerty12: no, not me, my friend) |
| 18:13.11 | lcuk | wazd :D you are n900 event! |
| 18:13.21 | qwerty12 | wazd: I know; but I could not resist being a cunt |
| 18:13.23 | Juzna | is there something wrong with the repositories? |
| 18:13.24 | kalikiana | Disappointing, hildon mime indeed doesn't know email |
| 18:13.27 | lcuk | that was quick it seems like only 1/2 hour ago you said you were goin |
| 18:13.33 | Klowner | I can't seem to hunt down any info on doing OpenGL ES stuff in the SDK, I'm wonderin' if I *need* a device to test that kind of stuff |
| 18:13.34 | lcuk | who was on and presenting and what did you seee? |
| 18:13.46 | lardman | looks for some C code |
| 18:13.47 | Juzna | my n900 says all the time that sync failed because unauthorised access from some akamai proxy |
| 18:14.12 | Stskeeps | wazd: kill him and steal his n900? :P |
| 18:14.41 | Stskeeps | or just knock him out and claim someone stole his n900 |
| 18:14.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:14.42 | VDVsx | wazd, I think your dog/cat has more chances to won one, that you trough any possible loan/discount program :P |
| 18:14.59 | VDVsx | s/that/than |
| 18:15.17 | qwerty12 | wazd: Make him drink a shitton of vodka, you do the same, take the N900, and blame it on the vodka if you get caught |
| 18:15.45 | lcuk | the nokians werent meant to give the n900 away in the first place lol, they also blamed it on the vodka :D |
| 18:15.48 | lardman | use a chainsaw |
| 18:15.58 | qwerty12 | thinking of http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7353025.stm |
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| 18:17.11 | lardman | hmm, in dbus_message_new_method_call() how do I pass arguments? |
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| 18:17.16 | lardman | e.g. the tel:0000 stuff |
| 18:17.50 | javispedro | thinks of sméagol vs déagol scene. my birthday preseeeeent!! my preciousssssssss n900!!! |
| 18:18.49 | lardman | dislikes DBus docs |
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| 18:22.25 | VDVsx | lardman, humm ? |
| 18:22.41 | lardman | trying to convert the dbus-send call above into C |
| 18:22.44 | VDVsx | msg = dbus_message_new_method_call( args) |
| 18:22.52 | lardman | yeah, but which is which? |
| 18:23.41 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.41 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.41 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.41 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.42 | lardman | ? |
| 18:23.47 | VDVsx | normally: destination, obj_path, interface, .. (extra stuff) |
| 18:24.38 | lardman | copies from here: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus/libdbus-tutorial.html |
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| 18:24.48 | VDVsx | so what's the problem, that looks correct |
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| 18:25.28 | VDVsx | dunno about the interface and object name |
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| 18:26.57 | lardman | not tried it yet |
| 18:26.58 | VDVsx | lardman, ah, you probably want to append the args to the message |
| 18:27.02 | VDVsx | ? |
| 18:27.07 | lardman | was just a random guess at which bits to put where |
| 18:27.14 | zaheerm | you know if a phone call dbus message can be intercepted by an app |
| 18:27.35 | zaheerm | was pondering on writing an app that would suggest a number from saynoto0870.co.uk |
| 18:27.44 | lardman | :) |
| 18:27.53 | zaheerm | if someone called a 08* number |
| 18:28.22 | zaheerm | but ideally it'd be transparent |
| 18:28.25 | lardman | should probably hook into the phone app though, before they've dialled |
| 18:28.37 | lardman | let them choose to dial that one, etc |
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| 18:30.07 | zaheerm | well what i was thinking is if the phone app sends a dbus message to make the call, i could just add a ui on intercepting it to choose from number specified and a list from saynoto0870 |
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| 18:30.46 | zaheerm | though plugging into the phone app seems like a reasonable other option |
| 18:31.35 | zaheerm | third option, create a telepathy plugin like the skype one that could translate the number transparently so you can choose dial with saynoto0870 instead of cellular or skype |
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| 18:31.51 | zaheerm | man too many ideas, too little time.... |
| 18:32.23 | hrw | re |
| 18:32.38 | konttori | lardman: how about starting dbus-monitor and make a call |
| 18:32.53 | konttori | the you'll see that dbus call is made (and the params) |
| 18:33.00 | Stskeeps | anyone here who happen to have a OMAP2 non-N8x0 device? |
| 18:33.20 | Stskeeps | which runs linux :P |
| 18:33.33 | hrw | like old omap2-sdp? |
| 18:33.56 | Stskeeps | for instance yeah |
| 18:33.59 | Stskeeps | 2420 or 2430 |
| 18:34.16 | suihkulokki | omap2 doesn't seen like hit SoC |
| 18:34.31 | kalikiana | wonders if hildon_uri_open works |
| 18:34.36 | kalikiana | goes to try it |
| 18:34.47 | hrw | Stskeeps: ask on #beagle - there are some TI people |
| 18:34.51 | Stskeeps | mmk |
| 18:35.04 | suihkulokki | omap3 is much more popular |
| 18:37.53 | kalikiana | lardman, I think you want to try out hildon_uri_open |
| 18:38.16 | kalikiana | It recognized mailto successfully |
| 18:38.34 | kalikiana | And it might just spare you a lot of code/ work |
| 18:40.22 | GeneralAntilles | heads out for the 5-hour drive. |
| 18:40.44 | andre__ | garr. i sometimes wonder if people file duplicates by purpose |
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| 18:41.01 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, of course they do. |
| 18:41.03 | GeneralAntilles | They're out to get you. |
| 18:41.06 | fernando_ | now for something a little more meta: anyone has any tips in washing the little pouch that came with the N800? |
| 18:41.07 | fernando_ | :P |
| 18:41.20 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, it's probably Nokia hiring people to do it to make us less efficient. ;) |
| 18:41.28 | qwerty12 | fernando_: Give it to the cat to lick |
| 18:41.32 | fernando_ | lol |
| 18:41.41 | GeneralAntilles | fernando_, let it go through the wash in a pants pocket like I do whenever I forget to take it out about once every 6 months? |
| 18:41.47 | VDVsx | andre__, yes, because they know that you've a lot of spare time :P |
| 18:41.48 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, gnarf. I expected that. Truth is hard to bare :-/ |
| 18:41.49 | VDVsx | hides |
| 18:42.01 | fernando_ | haha, I might do that |
| 18:42.28 | javispedro | lololololol more trolls in tmo |
| 18:42.38 | lardman | konttori: yeah, good suggestion, though ideally I'd just like to line the call up and not make it |
| 18:42.44 | lardman | kalikiana: you reckon that will work? |
| 18:42.49 | VDVsx | javispedro, good ones ? |
| 18:43.01 | lardman | kalikiana: no docs |
| 18:43.02 | javispedro | good selection of thread titles indeed. |
| 18:43.12 | VDVsx | javispedro, link please |
| 18:43.22 | javispedro | see latest topics in tmo :) |
| 18:43.33 | kalikiana | lardman, I'm testing. mailto works |
| 18:44.02 | kalikiana | And given that it would be nicer than having to write 100 lines of code... |
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| 18:44.20 | kalikiana | And avoid hardcoding apps |
| 18:44.23 | VDVsx | javispedro, "yes it sucks" ? |
| 18:44.28 | VDVsx | lol |
| 18:44.48 | javispedro | VDVsx: and "has Maemo always been so buggy" and the other one that has dropped off now |
| 18:45.21 | lardman | kalikiana: I quite agree, thanks |
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| 18:46.11 | lardman | kalikiana: does "tel:" work by chance....? |
| 18:46.37 | kalikiana | lardman, I tried tel://, but let me try tel:, maybe it's different |
| 18:46.45 | kalikiana | tel:// didn't work |
| 18:47.09 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, we need to pad out the response rates by posting some of our shillery. :P |
| 18:47.16 | VDVsx | javispedro, wow, very good :p |
| 18:48.27 | lardman | :( |
| 18:48.34 | VDVsx | wow, he wants a bug-free software : "Seems there are some legitimate software issues which have been identified now that the device can be found in the wild." |
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| 18:48.53 | lardman | kalikiana: what's the backend? What decides on the handled MIME/uri types? |
| 18:49.07 | javispedro | software issues! omg! |
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| 18:49.40 | kalikiana | Stupid me, my code is too smart. Tells me tel:123 is an invalid port number O_o |
| 18:49.56 | lardman | :) |
| 18:50.02 | Flandry | what we need is a t.m.o. bot that spits out the same canned responses to these same complaints. |
| 18:50.21 | lardman | kalikiana: it's your code is it? libhildon-mime, or are you talking about the test code? |
| 18:50.25 | Flandry | ~kill spammers |
| 18:50.26 | infobot | ACTION shoots a charged pseudophoton gun at spammers |
| 18:50.39 | javispedro | "Thanks for your information. It has been forwarded to the appropiate person (Mr. Dev Null). Have a nice day." |
| 18:50.44 | kalikiana | lardman, my test code. :-] |
| 18:50.45 | Flandry | lol |
| 18:50.52 | lardman | kalikiana: ok :) |
| 18:51.15 | javispedro | "P.S. In case you ever have a proper bug report, please redirect your complains to bugs.maemo.org ." |
| 18:51.47 | kalikiana | lardman, Confirmed, tel:123 shows me a dialpad with 123 |
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| 18:51.56 | javispedro | (where they will be also forwarded to /dev/null but clients shouldn't know that) |
| 18:52.09 | andre__ | javispedro, or ask them to come here and have a beer with me :-P |
| 18:52.10 | pH5 | kalikiana: yay, that's what I wanted to know, too |
| 18:52.17 | lardman | kalikiana: great :) |
| 18:52.38 | kalikiana | lardman, I'm happy you led me to accidentally notice that unknown header file and try it out :D |
| 18:53.02 | javispedro | andre__: do you have a long standing tradition of killing bug reporters? just in case. it would be nice to annotate it somewhere to let customers know that ;) |
| 18:53.13 | lardman | lol :D |
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| 18:55.36 | lardman | kalikiana: was that using hildon_uri_get_default_action() or hildon_uri_get_default_action_by_uri()? |
| 18:56.08 | andre__ | javispedro: you are invited to take a look at my graveyards in GNOME Bugzilla |
| 18:56.51 | kalikiana | lardman, hildon_uri_open |
| 18:57.06 | kalikiana | and tel:// also works |
| 18:57.10 | javispedro | :) |
| 18:57.17 | kalikiana | (no idea if there is any difference) |
| 18:57.17 | lardman | do you not need the get_action stuff beforehand? |
| 18:57.32 | lardman | works from here http://efforts.embedded.ufcg.edu.br/maemo/ |
| 18:57.39 | kalikiana | Nope, simply return hildon_uri_open (uri, HILDON_URI_ACTION_NORMAL, error); |
| 18:57.54 | lardman | ah ok |
| 18:58.05 | lardman | andre__: bug coming your way re hildonmime |
| 18:58.27 | kalikiana | hm... I wonder what difference that action would make |
| 18:58.28 | javispedro | "I don't have the n900 yet, but I expect the n900 to do the same things I do on my n800 but better and faster." ah, hope you don't use handwriting much... |
| 18:58.43 | kalikiana | The comment in the header just says something vague |
| 18:58.55 | lcuk | i do and it does |
| 18:59.01 | andre__ | lardman: but I already have two open libhildonmime tickets! there's more bugs?! |
| 18:59.06 | lardman | yeah, needs some docs me thinks |
| 18:59.13 | lardman | andre__: are they related to no docs? |
| 18:59.46 | andre__ | lardman, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3890 ? |
| 18:59.48 | povbot | Bug 3890: Missing libhildonmime API documentation |
| 18:59.53 | lardman | ah ok |
| 19:00.02 | lardman | goes to vote for that one if he's not done so already |
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| 19:00.36 | andre__ | lardman, pinged internally last week. still no news :-/ |
| 19:00.45 | lardman | hmm, I've already voted too |
| 19:00.48 | lardman | andre__: thanks |
| 19:00.53 | lardman | kalikiana: thanks too :) |
| 19:01.03 | hrw | time for me |
| 19:01.04 | hrw | bye |
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| 19:01.13 | kalikiana | You're welcome, we're in the same boat :) |
| 19:01.48 | convulted | hey all: anyone having out of storage error messages in fremantle? |
| 19:01.48 | andre__ | realizes that gtk-devel irc meeting and girlfriend appointment collide. hmm, tough, tough! :-P |
| 19:01.55 | kalikiana | Hm... I could use a "silent" option for alarms |
| 19:02.04 | kalikiana | My girlfriend is asleep |
| 19:02.09 | lcuk | andre__, n900+xchat solves problem |
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| 19:02.33 | lcuk | hey convulted \o |
| 19:02.34 | derf | lcuk sure knows how to entertain a girl. |
| 19:02.47 | kalikiana | pictures andre__ starting at the n900 while in a deep hug. |
| 19:02.48 | Flandry | convulted: are you installing packages from extras-devel? |
| 19:02.57 | TomaszD | aargh, so irritating, I have QStarDict working on the N900, but it doesn't detect dictionaries ;( |
| 19:02.57 | andre__ | lcuk: thanks. if it does not work you'll pay for my divorce lawyer |
| 19:03.05 | convulted | lcuk: hoy |
| 19:03.06 | VDVsx | javispedro, I'm always learning in this troll threads :) : " Jobsian trolls are mythical creatures, that supposedly feed on the tears of people waiting for their n900s." " |
| 19:03.13 | lcuk | easier to just buy her an n900 as well |
| 19:03.20 | lardman | wonders about converting everything to use hildonmime |
| 19:03.21 | Flandry | lol what? |
| 19:03.21 | lcuk | we can develop a vibration sharing app |
| 19:03.22 | VDVsx | s/this/these/ |
| 19:03.25 | andre__ | she has one already |
| 19:03.27 | lcuk | shake one device and have the other shake in harmony |
| 19:03.28 | convulted | Flandy: just one, my own and it's optified |
| 19:03.30 | lardman | then thinks perhaps one thing at a time |
| 19:03.42 | javispedro | VDVsx: yet more dangers for those adventurers.... grues and now this. |
| 19:03.55 | Flandry | ok, just going for the low-hanging fruit :P |
| 19:03.56 | lcuk | convulted, you dropped your big db somewhere you shouldnt? |
| 19:04.07 | lardman | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/libhildonmime/docs/hildon-mime-open.txt |
| 19:04.16 | lardman | https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/libhildonmime/docs/hildon-uri-open-rev-2.txt |
| 19:04.20 | Flandry | grues? Is there Zork for Maemo? |
| 19:04.21 | javispedro | can't stand neither tmo fanboys nor tmo trolls |
| 19:04.24 | lardman | something like docs |
| 19:04.37 | lcuk | has the outside world learnt of the n900 yet |
| 19:04.54 | javispedro | what's this outside world you speak of? |
| 19:05.05 | convulted | lcuk: db is tiny :P |
| 19:05.07 | lcuk | i dunno, someone posted on tmo the other day |
| 19:05.09 | kalikiana | lardman, good find! |
| 19:05.24 | javispedro | wow, aliens on tmo! |
| 19:05.25 | lcuk | convulted, it contains every single station along the london underground doesnt it |
| 19:05.29 | lcuk | thats gotta be at least 20kb |
| 19:05.34 | lardman | heads for some food |
| 19:05.36 | lardman | bbiab |
| 19:05.40 | convulted | hahaha |
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| 19:05.48 | convulted | i have gigs free |
| 19:05.58 | lcuk | do df from the console |
| 19:06.00 | convulted | and can't download anything |
| 19:06.05 | lcuk | and see how much you have properly |
| 19:06.15 | javispedro | wonders what's so special about the screen "scrolling smoothly" |
| 19:06.15 | convulted | df gives loads of free space |
| 19:06.20 | lcuk | on all partitions? |
| 19:06.34 | lcuk | is surprised |
| 19:06.39 | convulted | do you want a paste? |
| 19:07.00 | greenfly | is there a way to trigger libevent from dbus, or the command line in general? the regular tools for that don't seem to be ported yet |
| 19:07.02 | javispedro | convulted, why not, just in case. cause if it's something else: O.o |
| 19:07.07 | lcuk | might be an idea |
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| 19:07.31 | lcuk | also, check which version of flash you are on: settings/about product |
| 19:07.38 | convulted | rootfs 233224 173784 55160 76% /nubi0:rootfs 233224 173784 55160 76% /ntmpfs 1024 112 912 11% /tmpntmpfs 256 80 176 31% /var/runnnone 10240 72 10168 1% /devntmpfs 65536 4 65532 0% /dev/shmn/dev/mmcblk0p2 2064208 46980 1912372 2% /h |
| 19:07.42 | convulted | whoops |
| 19:07.51 | lcuk | coughs up a pastebin.ca url |
| 19:07.57 | convulted | lol |
| 19:08.00 | convulted | yeah. sec |
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| 19:09.13 | convulted | http://pastebin.ca/1685812 |
| 19:09.16 | lcuk | convulted, whilst you are i nthe console give it an apt-get update too |
| 19:09.33 | lcuk | extras devel and testing have been a bit flaky |
| 19:09.45 | javispedro | in a few hours every tmo user will be in a single thread. |
| 19:09.51 | convulted | yeah i noticed... it was working a few mins ago |
| 19:10.07 | lcuk | javispedro, unity? |
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| 19:10.18 | lcuk | which one |
| 19:10.40 | lcuk | convulted, i wonder if apt is stuck trying to install something and app man isnt telling you |
| 19:10.47 | convulted | lcuk: devel seems to have stopped working... |
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| 19:11.09 | lcuk | might explain why you cant install anything |
| 19:11.14 | javispedro | unity through fanboyism. fanboyism through trollism. trollismm through faith. |
| 19:11.24 | convulted | ah, but i get the error when i download things in the browser :) |
| 19:11.30 | lcuk | thread link if you want us in there |
| 19:11.34 | convulted | or try and add a ringtone |
| 19:11.34 | lcuk | stress test |
| 19:11.50 | javispedro | lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35009 |
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| 19:15.11 | convulted | lcuk or anyone: any thoughts? |
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| 19:15.30 | lcuk | convulted, are you by chance plugged into usb |
| 19:15.36 | lcuk | and you werent before |
| 19:15.59 | lcuk | ie has your MyDocs been taken for evil desktop computer |
| 19:16.19 | convulted | lol no pcs in sight |
| 19:16.27 | convulted | i'm charging... |
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| 19:17.39 | lcuk | convulted, i ask because sometimes i go to get at photos and to save files and things and realist my usb has taken my partition away to show it to windows |
| 19:17.43 | lcuk | just a thought |
| 19:17.54 | convulted | yeah happens very often over here too |
| 19:17.55 | convulted | yeah happens very often over here too |
| 19:18.04 | convulted | i'm baffled by this... |
| 19:18.26 | convulted | went to save a pdf this morning and saw that error |
| 19:18.50 | convulted | then i tried changing ringtone to an mp3 that is already in MyDocs and got the same error |
| 19:19.01 | convulted | hmmm... confused... |
| 19:20.40 | lcuk | convulted, im not a console wondergod, but go and check if everything is writeable |
| 19:21.01 | convulted | sec... |
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| 19:23.17 | convulted | no problems there |
| 19:23.30 | convulted | i can write files there |
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| 19:23.41 | serenity | hi |
| 19:23.45 | lcuk | convulted, are you root |
| 19:23.53 | convulted | nope |
| 19:23.55 | serenity | how can i update my sdk in scratchbox? |
| 19:24.04 | convulted | ruined too many boxes :D |
| 19:24.11 | lcuk | how bizarre |
| 19:24.42 | convulted | it is isn't it? |
| 19:25.03 | convulted | wonder if i should reboot |
| 19:25.40 | serenity | or must i installed it from scratch to get the newest version? |
| 19:25.43 | serenity | -ed |
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| 19:25.57 | convulted | be back in a few mins |
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| 19:29.11 | convulted | back |
| 19:29.25 | convulted | still can't add a ringtone that's on the device |
| 19:29.32 | convulted | bizarre |
| 19:30.41 | convulted | i'm guessing no one else had this problem |
| 19:30.49 | convulted | and i dunno how to debug it |
| 19:31.14 | javispedro | I STILL can't understand why "smooth scrolling" is such an important feature. |
| 19:31.37 | greenfly | javispedro: it gives the impression that the device has ample resources |
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| 19:31.48 | greenfly | if scrolling stutters, it gives the impression that the CPU can't keep up |
| 19:31.56 | greenfly | (or possibly GPU) |
| 19:32.30 | javispedro | your computer is most probably "stuttering" all day. |
| 19:32.35 | convulted_ | greenfly: is that referring to my prob? |
| 19:32.47 | serenity | on a pre scrolling is nasty |
| 19:33.03 | greenfly | convulted_: I was replying to javispedro's question of why some people might want smooth scrolling |
| 19:33.21 | convulted_ | ah whoos sorry... closed window by mistake |
| 19:33.26 | convulted_ | so i got confused |
| 19:33.30 | greenfly | javispedro: it's not a killer feature for me, just playing devil's advocate |
| 19:33.58 | greenfly | javispedro: if any other comparable device does have feature X, and the n900 doesn't, there will likely be a comparison made |
| 19:34.13 | javispedro | couldn't they say "battery life sucks" or something more reasonable,but no, they have to say "scrolling stutters". |
| 19:34.30 | greenfly | scrolling seems to be pretty smooth for me for most things |
| 19:34.37 | javispedro | wonders what kind of world is this one.. |
| 19:34.40 | Flandry | not in a post-apociphone world |
| 19:34.58 | serenity | how can i update my sdk in scratchbox? |
| 19:35.06 | greenfly | I'm doing a battery life test today where I kept the IM offline |
| 19:35.09 | javispedro | serenity: apt-get update |
| 19:35.12 | javispedro | && upgrade |
| 19:35.17 | greenfly | so far it has made a dramatic change |
| 19:35.18 | serenity | ah, ok |
| 19:35.46 | javispedro | IM online/offline shouldn't do a dramatic change. |
| 19:35.50 | javispedro | Wi-Fi might. |
| 19:36.04 | serenity | serenity@mangolassi:~$ apt-get update |
| 19:36.05 | greenfly | javispedro: agreed, but anecdotally, it seems to |
| 19:36.06 | serenity | E: The method driver /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found. |
| 19:36.28 | javispedro | serenity: then, aim for reinstall instead of upgrade. |
| 19:36.42 | greenfly | javispedro: I suppose my next test will be to enable it but only one IM network at a time |
| 19:36.45 | serenity | gna |
| 19:36.47 | convulted_ | i give up. if anyone knows why i'm getting senseless device storage full messages, let me know :) |
| 19:36.48 | greenfly | it's possible one polls more than the others |
| 19:36.49 | crashanddie_ | whatup? |
| 19:36.55 | greenfly | convulted_: what does df -i say? |
| 19:37.11 | greenfly | if you stored a large amount of files on the file system you could have run out of inodes even though you didn't run out of space |
| 19:37.48 | convulted_ | df -i says invalid option :) |
| 19:38.00 | greenfly | doh |
| 19:38.06 | crashanddie_ | I highly doubt inodes is an issue |
| 19:38.26 | greenfly | yeah, you'd have to have millions of files on there |
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| 19:38.43 | crashanddie_ | convulted_, do you use apt-get a lot? |
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| 19:38.58 | Flandry | what *does* df output on N900? |
| 19:39.00 | convulted_ | apt-get update a couple of times |
| 19:39.12 | crashanddie_ | convulted_, apt-get doesn't remove the .deb it downloads |
| 19:39.17 | paroneayea | arg |
| 19:39.22 | paroneayea | tilt sensor on my phone broke |
| 19:39.30 | Flandry | oO |
| 19:39.38 | crashanddie_ | paroneayea, have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 19:39.43 | convulted_ | crashanddie_: true, but i have lolads of free space |
| 19:39.59 | paroneayea | crashanddie_: I did, I will try again however. |
| 19:40.00 | convulted_ | downloading manually is ok |
| 19:40.05 | crashanddie_ | convulted_, how about we start over and you give us a real error message? |
| 19:40.13 | crashanddie_ | convulted_, my balls ain't made out of crystal |
| 19:40.14 | convulted_ | ok |
| 19:40.23 | crashanddie_ | well, mine or anyone's, I would hope |
| 19:40.38 | Flandry | speak for yourself |
| 19:40.42 | convulted_ | mine are :P |
| 19:40.47 | Flandry | is a silicon-based life form |
| 19:40.47 | crashanddie_ | Flandry, you're hoping to have crystal balls? |
| 19:41.16 | convulted_ | i have an mp3 on the device |
| 19:41.20 | Flandry | You may call me Cristobal |
| 19:41.24 | convulted_ | and tried to add it as a ringtone |
| 19:41.39 | paroneayea | is there something I can try reading in /dev/ to see if any information is coming out? |
| 19:42.01 | convulted_ | and i got a "device storage full error" |
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| 19:42.09 | Flandry | /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord |
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| 19:42.32 | Flandry | see: http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers |
| 19:42.39 | convulted_ | and i still have gigs free here |
| 19:42.43 | crashanddie_ | paroneayea, everytime you open it, it will give you one readout |
| 19:43.01 | crashanddie_ | convulted_, there are two separate partitions |
| 19:43.15 | crashanddie_ | convulted_, could you pastebin the output of df -h? |
| 19:43.20 | crashanddie_ | ~pastebin |
| 19:43.21 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 19:43.22 | convulted_ | right |
| 19:43.22 | convulted_ | sec |
| 19:43.29 | paroneayea | crashanddie_: thanks, I will try reading that |
| 19:44.05 | crashanddie_ | ok, I'm on fire, who else has a problem? |
| 19:44.37 | convulted_ | http://pastebin.ca/1685856 |
| 19:45.01 | toggles_w | crashanddie_: the tilt sensor in my n810 has stopped working |
| 19:45.13 | crashanddie_ | toggles_w, that's because there isn't one ;) |
| 19:45.22 | crashanddie_ | convulted_, good, at least you didn't run out of space |
| 19:45.22 | toggles_w | damn, you are good |
| 19:45.25 | Jaffa | Ev'ning. |
| 19:45.33 | qwerty12_N900 | toggles_w: What does /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord say? |
| 19:45.36 | qwerty12_N900 | ;P |
| 19:45.37 | Jaffa | crashanddie_: did you see my description of the MWN UI tooling, btw? |
| 19:45.47 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa, I'm afraid I didn't, link? |
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| 19:46.42 | crashanddie_ | convulted_, where do you add it as ringtone (/me shamefully realises he never actually used the device as a phone) |
| 19:47.02 | convulted_ | in the phone settings |
| 19:47.18 | convulted_ | umm... settings then phone |
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| 19:47.42 | Jaffa | convulted_: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2009-November/003363.html |
| 19:47.47 | crashanddie_ | shite, you need cellular to be able to access that |
| 19:47.52 | Jaffa | s/convulted_/crashanddie_/ |
| 19:48.21 | Juzna | hmm |
| 19:48.41 | Juzna | is there nokia base repo available somewhere? |
| 19:48.43 | paroneayea | crashanddie_: Flandry: well, I restarted, tried running cat on that file, and it gave output |
| 19:48.51 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa, cool |
| 19:48.52 | paroneayea | I tried bounce again, it works, but seems off |
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| 19:48.57 | Flandry | oh good |
| 19:48.57 | crashanddie_ | Juzna, base repo? |
| 19:48.58 | Juzna | if i break some root packages |
| 19:49.00 | paroneayea | like, the calibration of it seems off |
| 19:49.06 | convulted_ | Jaffa: that confused me :) |
| 19:49.10 | Flandry | weird |
| 19:49.21 | paroneayea | if I hold it level the ball flies forward very quickly |
| 19:49.24 | crashanddie_ | paroneayea, try the "attitude" application |
| 19:49.25 | paroneayea | wasn't doing that before |
| 19:49.27 | Juzna | ex. where i could get posix-locales ;) |
| 19:49.33 | paroneayea | crashanddie_: ok, trying |
| 19:49.46 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa, see, I'm even advertising your apps ;) |
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| 19:50.15 | paroneayea | :) |
| 19:50.24 | Flandry | watches plasma go down in flames again after Quassel notifications |
| 19:50.51 | fernando_ | how much do the cool kids set their swap file on a N800? |
| 19:51.13 | Flandry | ~seen coolkids |
| 19:51.17 | infobot | i haven't seen 'coolkids', Flandry |
| 19:51.22 | Flandry | ;) |
| 19:51.23 | crashanddie_ | Juzna, don't think there is one publicly available |
| 19:51.24 | fernando_ | haha |
| 19:51.37 | convulted_ | gives up again. thanks for your help guys, but this error message seems to originate for no reason |
| 19:51.53 | crashanddie_ | Juzna, however, as long as you have downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle in your repo list (aka, the official nokia repos), you should be fine |
| 19:52.05 | crashanddie_ | convulted_, hang on |
| 19:52.12 | paroneayea | crashanddie_: got it running. When holding it level, what should I see? |
| 19:52.26 | convulted_ | crashanddie_: :D |
| 19:52.29 | paroneayea | hm |
| 19:52.43 | crashanddie_ | paroneayea, when holding it like you would a camera, you should see a horizon line |
| 19:52.58 | crashanddie_ | convulted_, give me a few minutes to chuck a sim card in there |
| 19:53.39 | crashanddie_ | is trying to eat at the same time as well, not necessarily the easiest scenario |
| 19:53.39 | Jaffa | paroneayea: And ~0 deg |
| 19:53.39 | convulted_ | cheers |
| 19:54.06 | paroneayea | crashanddie_: that seems to happen until it eventually crashes and becomes unresponsive :) |
| 19:54.10 | Juzna | kjeh :D |
| 19:54.12 | Juzna | i made to mess locales |
| 19:54.16 | paroneayea | or, stops moving |
| 19:54.32 | paroneayea | not sure if it is a crash or if input is being cut off |
| 19:54.39 | Jaffa | paroneayea: It shouldn't move if the device isn't moving |
| 19:54.41 | crashanddie_ | paroneayea, the app isn't necessarily tuned for speed |
| 19:54.53 | Jaffa | paroneayea: It's like a spirit level (and yes, I need to make it more responsive) |
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| 19:56.43 | crashanddie_ | it's a shame the n900 doesn't have a digital compass though |
| 19:57.17 | Flandry | it is |
| 19:57.22 | paroneayea | Jaffa: well I mean, eventually I am no longer able to move it at all, even when moving the camera |
| 19:57.28 | paroneayea | however |
| 19:57.30 | qwerty12_N900 | convulted_: You trying to set a ringtone? If so, http://pastebin.com/d7ac7172b in /home/user/.profiled/custom.ini would be the manual way of doing it |
| 19:57.51 | paroneayea | I seem to be able to complete a level in bounce, and that is a good sign that things are better than they were before (not working at all) :) |
| 19:58.20 | convulted_ | querty12_N900: the point is that i keep getting out of storage error messages (i am happy with my ringtone :) |
| 20:00.05 | paroneayea | thank you for your help Jaffa and crashanddie_, you two are awesome ;) |
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| 20:00.38 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa is awesome, I'm not |
| 20:00.56 | crashanddie_ | Well, actually, I am awesome... with the ladies |
| 20:01.00 | crashanddie_ | ii |
| 20:01.02 | crashanddie_ | ;D |
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| 20:01.52 | crashanddie_ | paroneayea, are you getting the error somewhere else? |
| 20:02.54 | crashanddie_ | paroneayea, I go into settings > phone, and can't change the ringtone though... |
| 20:03.04 | crashanddie_ | paroneayea, as in, there's no option for that... you sure it's there? |
| 20:03.37 | convulted_ | crashanddie_: lemme check |
| 20:03.54 | paroneayea | crashanddie_: are you meaning to talk to convulted_ ? |
| 20:04.03 | crashanddie_ | paroneayea, I am indeed |
| 20:04.04 | Juzna | eh |
| 20:04.06 | convulted_ | sorry settings and then profile |
| 20:04.10 | convulted_ | my bad :) |
| 20:04.11 | Juzna | any ideas how i could fix my locales |
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| 20:04.27 | Juzna | tried to compile wrong locales and now device is quite fucked :D |
| 20:04.37 | jeremiah | Juzna: Did you go through the regular language and region settings? |
| 20:04.53 | Juzna | locale-gen ;) |
| 20:05.00 | jeremiah | Juzna: Feel like setting the device back to factory defaults? |
| 20:05.16 | Juzna | should it fix whole operating system? |
| 20:05.22 | jeremiah | Well, that is an option, but I suppose there are other ways. |
| 20:05.28 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa, I like the idea... I could see, for example, a window on the left, taking most of the screen, which would display all the posts for a specific source (chosen at the top of the screen) |
| 20:05.50 | Juzna | yup |
| 20:05.53 | jeremiah | Juzna: It would restore the entire device back to its original state |
| 20:05.57 | Juzna | i would love that deb |
| 20:06.05 | lcuk | ddeerrrtrrrtr |
| 20:06.18 | jeremiah | I think that is available through the GUI interface in preferences |
| 20:06.18 | lcuk | hyrfrhfhhthrehfurofifufhjufyrhyeytrtetc trw6w6ds6 6s65s6w6s6t |
| 20:06.27 | jeremiah | umm, lcuk |
| 20:06.30 | penguinbait | what he said |
| 20:06.31 | convulted_ | lcuk: i agree |
| 20:06.33 | qwerty12_N900 | The aliens are invading |
| 20:06.33 | jeremiah | Is your cat talking? |
| 20:06.47 | crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N900, nope, that's just the northerner accent without the nice filter |
| 20:06.55 | fernando_ | http://blog.oneplusinfinity.com/?p=4476 haha |
| 20:06.55 | convulted_ | lo |
| 20:07.05 | qwerty12_N900 | crashanddie_: Ah, makes sense |
| 20:07.21 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa, each post would have it's own specific little box, with in short the author, summary of the text. Hovering over a post would display it in a bigger screen. |
| 20:07.31 | penguinbait | north or south, your all a bunch of silly wankers ;P |
| 20:07.57 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa, on the right, a bar which would contain "selected" posts. A post is selected by dragging or double clicking on it |
| 20:07.59 | qwerty12_N900 | *you're |
| 20:08.09 | penguinbait | no you are |
| 20:08.15 | penguinbait | ;) |
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| 20:08.32 | crashanddie_ | s/penguin/flame/ |
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| 20:08.51 | Chiku | hello |
| 20:09.00 | penguinbait | mmmmmmmm, roasted penguin |
| 20:09.05 | ds3 | ' |
| 20:09.06 | penguinbait | needs garlic |
| 20:09.09 | jeremiah | well hello thar |
| 20:09.10 | Chiku | what will be the after N900 ? |
| 20:09.18 | crashanddie_ | Chiku, n901 |
| 20:09.22 | penguinbait | rx-71? |
| 20:10.01 | crashanddie_ | Chiku, actually, probably n920, we have a picture of it somewhere |
| 20:10.01 | penguinbait | 920 was hoax |
| 20:10.01 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa, another page would then show all the selected posts, allow you to organize them, and add the leading/leaving text |
| 20:10.01 | crashanddie_ | penguinbait, no, we saw it in London |
| 20:10.01 | crashanddie_ | I took a picture of it |
| 20:10.01 | pillar | hmm, how can I change xterm to understand utf-8 |
| 20:10.01 | Juzna | didnt help |
| 20:10.02 | crashanddie_ | hang on, let me dig it up |
| 20:10.05 | Chiku | crashanddie_, what about spec? just few changes? |
| 20:10.27 | Juzna | any way of recompiling those locales? |
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| 20:10.48 | crashanddie_ | Chiku & penguinbait: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4114828376/ |
| 20:11.00 | Chiku | thx |
| 20:11.10 | penguinbait | nice |
| 20:11.17 | qwerty12_N900 | crashanddie_: That's effin' awesome |
| 20:11.19 | Chiku | I want this one |
| 20:11.26 | qwerty12_N900 | throws his N900 out the window |
| 20:11.33 | crashanddie_ | I think Nokia pushed the "retro" idea a bit too far though |
| 20:11.41 | Chiku | oh wait My grand perents got the same one, I will ask to give one |
| 20:11.43 | penguinbait | <----- runs under qwerty12's window |
| 20:11.51 | penguinbait | bah, missed |
| 20:12.01 | qwerty12_N900 | penguinbait: Sorry, we don't want wankers from MI |
| 20:12.16 | crashanddie_ | michigan? |
| 20:12.25 | penguinbait | No No, we are stupid americans |
| 20:12.34 | penguinbait | you are the wanker |
| 20:12.41 | penguinbait | or tosser if you prefer |
| 20:12.48 | convulted_ | is offl to eat. might flash new firmware to get rid of the message... kinda annoying tho. thanks for the ideas |
| 20:12.52 | penguinbait | <------ in Michigan |
| 20:13.28 | crashanddie_ | penguinbait, you live in the same state as lovely MIT? How the fuck could a place that spawned a university that brilliant produce an individual so stupid? |
| 20:13.36 | crashanddie_ | Oh well, law of averages, I guess |
| 20:13.53 | crashanddie_ | in other words: stop flaming |
| 20:14.15 | Flandry | rofl |
| 20:14.24 | Flandry | "Michigan Instititue of Technology" is it? |
| 20:14.26 | penguinbait | MIT is not in Michigan stupid? |
| 20:14.31 | paroneayea | http://dustycloud.org/tmp/n900-nethack.png |
| 20:14.33 | fernando_ | lol |
| 20:14.36 | paroneayea | that's over ssh though |
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| 20:14.43 | crashanddie_ | oh, my bad |
| 20:14.47 | Flandry | dunno wtf i'm living in Cambridge then... |
| 20:14.55 | penguinbait | Massachusetts Institute of Technology ;p |
| 20:14.58 | crashanddie_ | Flandry, they have oxford there, right? |
| 20:15.10 | Flandry | other Cambridge :P |
| 20:15.22 | crashanddie_ | Flandry, duke then? |
| 20:15.35 | penguinbait | Sorry, was only joking, use to listening to qwerty12's cheeky a55 |
| 20:15.48 | crashanddie_ | penguinbait, yeah well, can't blame you for that, everyone wants to hit him |
| 20:16.11 | crashanddie_ | penguinbait, should've seen the kid when I arrived, I put my hand forward to shake his, he jumped away |
| 20:16.37 | Flandry | BU BC Harvard MIT Wellesley Brandeis etc but no, no Duke |
| 20:17.05 | jeremiah | Harvard and MIT are on the same street! :P |
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| 20:17.39 | Flandry | yeah. Well, cowpath. |
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| 20:18.07 | crashanddie_ | sod it, universities are useless anyway, as lardman|afk knows |
| 20:18.53 | Flandry | yeah, that's pretty much my conclusion |
| 20:19.13 | qwerty12_N900 | Ooh, do they have nerd fights? "I know Pi to a million places. Can you beat that?" |
| 20:19.37 | crashanddie_ | my boss is a prick |
| 20:19.46 | crashanddie_ | I'm pretty sure he thinks he knows the last 3 numbers of pi |
| 20:19.56 | Flandry | lol |
| 20:19.57 | crashanddie_ | s/numbers/digits/ |
| 20:20.09 | fernando_ | where does tear saves bookmarks? |
| 20:20.27 | crashanddie_ | [drumroll] in the bookmark menu |
| 20:20.28 | qwerty12_N900 | fernando_: /home/user/.tear/tear.db |
| 20:20.33 | fernando_ | thanks |
| 20:20.40 | fernando_ | and :P @ crashanddie_ |
| 20:25.22 | wazd_ | they gave me a t-shirt |
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| 20:25.30 | wazd_ | tee. shirt. |
| 20:25.43 | Xisdibik | tries to ignore qwerty12's full name when it appears on the channel |
| 20:25.55 | qwerty12_N900 | "I wanted the N900, and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt" |
| 20:26.14 | wazd_ | qwerty12_N900: nono |
| 20:26.22 | wazd_ | qwerty12_N900: 14 apps = 1 t-shirt |
| 20:26.39 | qwerty12_N900 | Ah. Shit |
| 20:27.11 | wazd_ | now I'm gonna to drink as much alcohol as I need to forget all of this |
| 20:27.38 | fernando_ | sqlite? I can handle this |
| 20:27.42 | fernando_ | also hahaha |
| 20:27.52 | fernando_ | oh nokia |
| 20:28.01 | fernando_ | is it at least the laser penguin shirt? that one is prett awesome :P |
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| 20:28.31 | wazd_ | fernando_: no |
| 20:28.39 | crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N900, tell that to anidel |
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| 20:28.59 | crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N900, his girlfriend got drawn on the N900 giveaway in London |
| 20:29.08 | crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N900, but she wasn't there, so they had to redraw |
| 20:29.14 | qwerty12_N900 | crashanddie_: Meh, he's got a loaner |
| 20:29.17 | qwerty12_N900 | OW |
| 20:29.49 | crashanddie_ | there's a picture of that very moment, where he looks at me like he's going to die |
| 20:29.54 | wazd_ | my friend won an n900 today :D |
| 20:29.55 | fernando_ | ooh, I like how tear stores stuff, neat |
| 20:30.12 | Milhouse | For some reason I remembered this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA9iPadxE0U as I was thinking about the DDP... :) |
| 20:30.18 | qwerty12_N900 | wazd_: Killed him yet? |
| 20:30.22 | fernando_ | lol |
| 20:30.27 | kynky | how he win ? |
| 20:30.34 | wazd_ | and the funniest fact that he wasn't even registered, he took a badge of another guy that didn't come |
| 20:30.43 | fernando_ | meet ups? |
| 20:30.50 | wazd_ | fernando_: yes |
| 20:31.06 | wazd_ | qwerty12_N900: no, it isn't a matter of the device |
| 20:31.23 | kynky | got shipping email today :) |
| 20:31.38 | qwerty12_N900 | wazd_: Ah, you hate him either way and plan on killing him anyway? |
| 20:31.40 | wazd_ | qwerty12_N900: it's a matter of "14 apps = 1 t-shirt" |
| 20:32.18 | wazd_ | I'm not sure if I hate someone right now |
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| 20:33.31 | Milhouse | wazd_: good luck to him, lets hope he spreads the good word :) |
| 20:33.35 | wazd_ | Btw, as I predicted, there was some dumb PR guy instead of real maemo people |
| 20:33.38 | Jaffa | crashanddie_: Yeah, that's the kind of thing I was thinking. Might try and do a mockup. |
| 20:33.43 | Xisdibik | qwerty12_N900: yes, yes i plan to kill him |
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| 20:33.52 | wazd_ | Milhouse: yeah, he's not the worst candidate to get it |
| 20:33.55 | Xisdibik | sharpens his Dagger of qwerty12_N900 bane +5 |
| 20:33.58 | Milhouse | wazd_: sounds just like the london meet up |
| 20:34.17 | Milhouse | wazd_: no techies, no programme managers - just marketing types |
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| 20:34.33 | AndrewFBlack | Hey you guys remember when t.m.o was fun to ready? |
| 20:34.36 | qwerty12_N900 | Xisdibik: You can have my N800; just ignore that it has an '8' instead of a '9' |
| 20:35.00 | wazd_ | Milhouse: fortunately, there was a guy from nokia whom I met in SPB, lot's of interesting discussions |
| 20:35.11 | wazd_ | like maemo 6 and multitouch :) |
| 20:35.45 | Jaffa | crashanddie_: Or, after you've dragged a post from the palette on the right; it becomes click to enrich a la http://www.appelsiini.net/projects/jeditable/default.html |
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| 20:37.03 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa, nice |
| 20:37.18 | Xisdibik | qwerty12_N900: for free? |
| 20:37.40 | AndrewFBlack | I wonder if Reggie can make it so we can Filter Posts by people with less then 100 Posts lol |
| 20:37.41 | crashanddie_ | I offered a guy to come and pick up my n810 for free at my office |
| 20:37.47 | crashanddie_ | he didn't come |
| 20:37.49 | qwerty12_N900 | Xisdibik: For a deposit of blood and your right eye |
| 20:38.04 | Xisdibik | qwerty12_N900: make it my left eye and u got a deal |
| 20:38.20 | crashanddie_ | AndrewFBlack, then you wouldn't see my posts ;) |
| 20:38.37 | crashanddie_ | AndrewFBlack, plus, look at zerojay, he's got well over a 100 posts, but still talks a lot of crap :) |
| 20:38.39 | qwerty12_N900 | AndrewFBlack: I like that idea already |
| 20:38.53 | qwerty12_N900 | Xisdibik: For that, both eyes |
| 20:39.06 | AndrewFBlack | YeahI guess post count really donesn't matter how about anyone who is an idiot |
| 20:39.17 | crashanddie_ | indeed |
| 20:39.21 | crashanddie_ | it just means you talk a lot |
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| 20:39.53 | Xisdibik | qwerty12_N900: no dice, my left eye is magical though, it can see lies |
| 20:39.55 | paroneayea | crashanddie_: might I ask you if you know where I can read debugging info from the gps? |
| 20:40.11 | paroneayea | trying ot figure out if it's working, running the maps app doesn't give a position even after standing outside for a bit |
| 20:40.16 | paroneayea | trying *to |
| 20:40.25 | qwerty12_N900 | Xisdibik: Damn |
| 20:40.28 | AndrewFBlack | I kinda got offened been people started Giving Dan in USA Crap |
| 20:40.32 | crashanddie_ | paroneayea, you should be able to run gpsd in debug mode |
| 20:40.34 | wazd_ | funny fact |
| 20:40.43 | wazd_ | every demo device had foreca installed |
| 20:40.52 | paroneayea | crashanddie_: aha, cool, thanks :) |
| 20:41.00 | wazd_ | every owned device had OMW :D |
| 20:41.05 | crashanddie_ | paroneayea, http://gpsd.berlios.de/gpsd.html |
| 20:41.22 | qwerty12_N900 | wazd_: The firmware from tablets-dev has an Foreca installer installed, but not Foreca itself |
| 20:41.30 | qwerty12_N900 | *a |
| 20:42.02 | konttori | does transmission support DHT, PEX or magnet links? |
| 20:42.10 | wazd_ | qwerty12_N900: no, I mean on the desktop |
| 20:42.19 | Xisdibik | qwerty12_N900: my right eye you dont want though |
| 20:42.33 | Xisdibik | qwerty12_N900: it sees truth, pureness, and good. it has never seen a single thing :D |
| 20:43.15 | crashanddie_ | Xisdibik, he's going to eat it with bacon and cheese, do you seriously think he gives a fack about what it's seen? |
| 20:43.21 | Chiku | openoffice on n900? |
| 20:43.27 | qwerty12_N900 | I am? |
| 20:43.37 | crashanddie_ | Chiku, please, no |
| 20:44.10 | qwerty12_N900 | Xisdibik: Right eye or nothing |
| 20:45.09 | Xisdibik | crashanddie_: my eye is uneatable. :D |
| 20:45.27 | Xisdibik | but bacon and cheese. mmmmm |
| 20:45.29 | crashanddie_ | inedible would be the word you're looking for |
| 20:45.53 | Xisdibik | nope, i wanted to say uneatable. just like i love the incorrect word UNPOSSIBLE :D |
| 20:45.53 | wazd_ | http://s39.radikal.ru/i084/0911/ee/4a01a40c2205.jpg |
| 20:46.07 | crashanddie_ | no word is incorrect |
| 20:46.08 | paroneayea | crashanddie_: excellent, thx |
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| 20:46.38 | Xisdibik | wazd_: is that yours? |
| 20:46.49 | wazd_ | Xisdibik: yes, all of them |
| 20:46.51 | qwerty12_N900 | wazd_: Did the iPhone owner get shot with an AK-47? |
| 20:46.52 | Xisdibik | diaf :P |
| 20:47.07 | wazd_ | Xisdibik: that's actually stuff from my left pocket only |
| 20:47.13 | Ceron^ | wazd_: can you give me one of those n900 <3 |
| 20:47.15 | andre__ | qwerty12_N900, errrr which one? |
| 20:47.19 | wazd_ | qwerty12_N900: no, cause he hates it :D |
| 20:47.24 | andre__ | confused and lost in all those communication channels |
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| 20:48.05 | wazd_ | quality is godawful cause my sister used camera before and I was too upset to re-set it |
| 20:48.17 | qwerty12_N900 | andre__: The owner of the iPhone featured in wazd's picture :p |
| 20:48.24 | qwerty12_N900 | wazd_: Good choice :p |
| 20:48.26 | andre__ | ehehehe |
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| 20:48.41 | wazd_ | Ceron^: one is RST38h's and other is the winner's :) |
| 20:48.54 | konttori | ah, I found the magnet support ticked in transmission: http://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/2096 |
| 20:49.02 | Ceron^ | wazd_: what winners? |
| 20:49.25 | wazd_ | Ceron^: my friend won n900 at the meet-up |
| 20:49.31 | Ceron^ | .... |
| 20:49.34 | andre__ | qwerty12_N900, hmm. let's try to find out who he is. there's a sushi advertisement on his desk! |
| 20:49.37 | paroneayea | crashanddie_: sorry to pester again, but should gpsd be bundled on the phone by default? It doesn't appear to be |
| 20:49.39 | Ceron^ | wazd_: :( i want one |
| 20:49.49 | paroneayea | running "ps auwwwx | grep gps" yields nothing |
| 20:49.50 | andre__ | (and antisushi. interesting term.) |
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| 20:50.04 | qwerty12_N900 | andre__: You stalker, you |
| 20:50.06 | konttori | looks like magnet support is going to come pretty soon, as the patch is actively worked on and seems to be almost complete from technical pov |
| 20:50.07 | lcuk | wazd_, is your friend an existing maemo developer? |
| 20:50.12 | lcuk | or are you well pissed that an outsider got it |
| 20:50.18 | wazd_ | lcuk: he's a techie guy |
| 20:50.39 | wazd_ | lcuk: and a developer anyway :) |
| 20:50.50 | wazd_ | lcuk: e97 is his |
| 20:50.51 | lcuk | say hi to RST38h for us |
| 20:50.51 | lcuk | or have you left now |
| 20:50.59 | andre__ | so, the guy asking in talk.maemo.org if his favorite porn video website works on the N900 - who wants to answer him? is it only me testing this for him, now watching things and practices that I never ever wanted to see? |
| 20:51.08 | wazd_ | lcuk: we're all at home now :) |
| 20:51.12 | qwerty12_N900 | andre__: link, please |
| 20:51.12 | Stskeeps | andre__: pink pages? |
| 20:51.14 | andre__ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35016 |
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| 20:51.46 | wazd_ | #maemo is featured in this shot too btw :D |
| 20:51.46 | lcuk | why oh why did that photo have to be polluted by iCrap |
| 20:51.48 | qwerty12_N900 | andre__: Ask the GF to test it, you being on the maemo.org team and all |
| 20:52.13 | wazd_ | if you'll look carefully at my n800's screen |
| 20:52.16 | lcuk | its like putting a ford fiesta down at a ferrari convention |
| 20:52.46 | qwerty12_N900 | wazd_: Wrong client =) |
| 20:53.04 | wazd_ | qwerty12_N900: x-chat stopped working for me somehow |
| 20:53.11 | wazd_ | qwerty12_N900: it just doesn't start |
| 20:53.17 | wazd_ | qwerty12_N900: and I'm too lazy to reflash |
| 20:53.28 | qwerty12_N900 | Heh |
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| 20:54.33 | wazd_ | lcuk: I'm pissed casue I got nothing |
| 20:54.45 | lcuk | you got to take part! |
| 20:54.48 | wazd_ | lcuk: why shoud I be pissed at the people who just won |
| 20:55.27 | wazd_ | I got nothing, then I got nothing, and after that I got nothing |
| 20:55.39 | wazd_ | that's all that is humilating |
| 20:55.41 | lcuk | but you were 1 friend away from an n900 |
| 20:55.54 | lcuk | qwerty is right |
| 20:55.59 | lcuk | go with the sneak vodka attack |
| 20:56.03 | wazd_ | lcuk: it's NOT a matter of actually having n900 at all cost |
| 20:56.31 | wazd_ | lcuk: I'm fine without it |
| 20:56.42 | aSIMULAtor | :/ |
| 20:56.44 | derf | It's about respect. |
| 20:57.13 | lcuk | wazd that sounds like the sorta talk a person with a crateful at home would say :D |
| 20:57.32 | qwerty12_N900 | ...next to the AKs |
| 20:57.37 | wazd_ | I'm actually quite happy for my friend, never seen anyone fammiliar winning in a lottery before |
| 20:57.45 | paroneayea | looking through `ps auwwwx` it doesn't look like *anything* gps related is running. Likewise, running `find / -name '*gps*'` does not seem to yield anything that looks like it would be a program for running the gps? |
| 20:58.29 | paroneayea | maybe I am wrong in assuming it would be named "gps" something? :) |
| 20:58.39 | crashanddie_ | paroneayea, gpsd only runs when you have an app that uses the gps running, IIRC |
| 20:58.48 | crashanddie_ | paroneayea, however, this was on the n810, never checked it out on the n900 |
| 20:58.57 | wazd_ | oh yeah, and Nokia Maps ABSOLUTELY SUCK BALLS |
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| 20:59.12 | qwerty12_N900 | konttori: Transmission still has its problems, so I'm hesitant to hit the promote button |
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| 20:59.39 | wazd_ | I mean, you should be a tallented guy to make an app that slow on such powerful hardware |
| 21:00.08 | paroneayea | crashanddie_: started up nokia maps, ran `ps auwwwx | grep gps`, still yields nothing |
| 21:00.18 | paroneayea | I am starting to suspect that gpsd is not bundled on here |
| 21:00.20 | paroneayea | which would be odd. |
| 21:01.36 | Stskeeps | there's gypsy on n900 |
| 21:01.38 | Stskeeps | not gpsd |
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| 21:01.50 | Stskeeps | wazd_: yes, ovi maps sucks |
| 21:02.00 | paroneayea | Stskeeps: aha! |
| 21:02.03 | paroneayea | thanks :) |
| 21:02.11 | andre__ | night everybody :) |
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| 21:03.24 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: fwiw |
| 21:03.32 | timeless_mbp | in many cases, the problem isn't ovi maps |
| 21:03.38 | timeless_mbp | it's ovi maps' data :) |
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| 21:03.46 | timeless_mbp | (a guy from maps came to visit) |
| 21:03.46 | wazd_ | Stskeeps: I can't even imagine why is it so slow |
| 21:03.54 | crashanddie_ | wazd_, html |
| 21:04.05 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: interaction is bizarre. maps are fine |
| 21:04.35 | suihkulokki | ehm. s60 maps is just fine with same data. |
| 21:04.36 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 21:04.42 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Did you ask him where Detroit is? |
| 21:04.43 | timeless_mbp | write up your problems |
| 21:04.47 | timeless_mbp | yeah |
| 21:04.52 | crashanddie_ | if it's any consolation, by the looks of it, Ovi Maps on the N900 is a good approximation of how WebOS is going to suck |
| 21:04.59 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, he even knows that Maine isn't just north of Florida! |
| 21:05.12 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie_: webos shouldn't suck |
| 21:05.19 | timeless_mbp | unless they hired nokians to write pieces of it |
| 21:05.26 | crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp, it will as much as jenna jameson |
| 21:05.51 | Jaffa | The tech behind WebOS might not suck, but the screenshots I've seen have a really crap, cluttered UI |
| 21:07.29 | RST38h | moo all |
| 21:07.58 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: urls? |
| 21:08.25 | paroneayea | Stskeeps: so that's interesting, gypsy seems to work but I had to start it manually |
| 21:08.29 | paroneayea | starting up maps didn't start it |
| 21:08.37 | paroneayea | or, it seems to be "searching" :) |
| 21:08.40 | paroneayea | it still hasn't found me. |
| 21:08.41 | wazd_ | ùðá Ø öôû öêùòï |
| 21:08.46 | wazd_ | oh, I was wrong |
| 21:08.54 | Dantonic | wtf! amazon price went back up! |
| 21:08.56 | wazd_ | it's actually a t-shirt with penguins |
| 21:08.59 | crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp, http://www.mobilewhack.com/wp-content/pics/2009/06/webos-screenshot-sdk-3.png |
| 21:09.01 | wazd_ | and lazers |
| 21:09.07 | crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp, check out the app bar on the top |
| 21:09.29 | qwerty12_N900 | Why does, to me, mobilewhack sound wrong? |
| 21:09.40 | Stskeeps | mobile pink? |
| 21:10.03 | crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N900, I think it's illegal to masturbate in a taxi |
| 21:11.02 | qwerty12_N900 | Damn, no ogc there, then |
| 21:11.06 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie_: so the lightning bolt is a bit too close to the screen edge for my taste |
| 21:11.12 | timeless_mbp | but it's very clean |
| 21:11.20 | crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp, it's stupid |
| 21:11.25 | crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp, check out some videos |
| 21:11.27 | timeless_mbp | it reminds me of diablo |
| 21:11.51 | crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp, they try to invent new gestures, like having an arrow on the left hand of the screen to go back in a menu, completely disabling that area |
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| 21:11.59 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: http://www.zone-numerique.com/uploads/Logiciels/Palm/WebOS/palm_webos_450_3.jpg and http://www.zone-numerique.com/uploads/Logiciels/Palm/WebOS/palm_webos_450_3.jpg |
| 21:12.10 | crashanddie_ | the screen is so sensitive that you cancel your stuff very quickly and stuff |
| 21:12.15 | hotaru2k3 | hmmm... i found a site supposedly selling the n900 for $250... think it's legit? |
| 21:12.31 | Arkenoi | hotaru: i doubt |
| 21:12.35 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: all things considered, i like that calendar view better than ours |
| 21:12.40 | timeless_mbp | a lot better actually |
| 21:12.51 | crashanddie_ | hotaru2k3, sure, they buy it from Nokia at $580 and sell it for $250, what's not legit? |
| 21:13.23 | Arkenoi | here in russia n900 is $1k, looks quite crazy |
| 21:13.32 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: that shows me which parts of my day is busy |
| 21:13.32 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa, damn you for posting the same URL twice |
| 21:13.35 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Bits of it seem a bit overdone; but I can't find any examples right now |
| 21:13.37 | timeless_mbp | instead of just having random lines |
| 21:13.46 | jaska | $500 in corruption fees? |
| 21:13.52 | timeless_mbp | i like the way they collapsed time on the right too |
| 21:13.53 | paroneayea | hey |
| 21:13.58 | Jaffa | crashanddie_: Ah, I thought it was two separate images |
| 21:13.59 | lcuk | pillar, talk in here about your n900! |
| 21:14.00 | paroneayea | it works! :) |
| 21:14.10 | paroneayea | I had to start gypsy-daemon manually, but now it works :) |
| 21:14.15 | lcuk | talk everywhere about it :D glad you are liking it |
| 21:14.19 | paroneayea | /usr/libexec/gypsy-daemon --no-daemon |
| 21:14.23 | mzz | in http://www.mobilewhack.com/wp-content/pics/2009/06/webos-screenshot-sdk-3.png I don't understand why most things are right-to-left |
| 21:14.24 | Ceron^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF3WfHWzzOU&feature=player_embedded |
| 21:14.30 | timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: the european list price is roughly 750USD |
| 21:14.42 | timeless_mbp | so seeing it for 1000USD in russia wouldn't shock me |
| 21:14.42 | Ceron^ | mzz: in china you read from right to left |
| 21:14.53 | mzz | Ceron^: yes, but this is english |
| 21:14.59 | Ceron^ | :D |
| 21:15.06 | Jaffa | beds |
| 21:15.07 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: so.... Clear 56F / F | 13C / C |
| 21:15.13 | mzz | it can't be chinese, I can read it |
| 21:15.14 | timeless_mbp | any idea why it has 2 Fs and 2 Cs ? |
| 21:15.18 | konttori | qwerty12_N900: ah, I have been just enjoying so much that I would gladly see it show up in random users catalogues as well |
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| 21:17.36 | qwerty12_N900 | konttori: Ah, well, glad to hear it :) |
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| 21:19.43 | n6pfk | Are there any video chat apps for the N810? |
| 21:21.07 | fernando_ | should tear.db have a specific owner? ...wait nvm I think I just have it owned by root |
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| 21:21.09 | fernando_ | lol |
| 21:22.08 | wazd_ | timeless_mbp: we have a fair 600 euros price |
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| 21:23.55 | krfkeith | hey |
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| 21:24.03 | krfkeith | just got my new N900! |
| 21:24.06 | krfkeith | yay! |
| 21:24.10 | Stskeeps | cool, welcome to the crowd :) |
| 21:24.25 | krfkeith | Stskeeps: thanks! |
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| 21:24.54 | krfkeith | however, for some reason everytime I try to use one of the emulators I got from maemo.org, the program crashes |
| 21:25.01 | denky | what's up with the maemo repos? I'm getting 401's both in the n900 aswell as in scrachbox. |
| 21:25.14 | crashanddie_ | denky, could they be down? |
| 21:25.34 | Stskeeps | denky: there's reported issues with them |
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| 21:25.37 | krfkeith | denky: I've been using them fine atm |
| 21:25.46 | Stskeeps | there's a talk thread on them. refresh a couple of times and you may avoid them |
| 21:25.57 | crashanddie_ | denky, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/e/eightyone/ looks fine from here |
| 21:26.07 | paroneayea | one thing I really appreciate about the n900 |
| 21:26.17 | crashanddie_ | paroneayea, yeah, me too |
| 21:26.23 | paroneayea | it is 100% usable without command line and programming skills |
| 21:26.24 | denky | Yeah, retrying seems to work sometimes. But my scratchbox can't get dick done. |
| 21:26.24 | paroneayea | but |
| 21:26.34 | paroneayea | having those skills augments that |
| 21:26.52 | crashanddie_ | denky, apt-get install dick? |
| 21:26.54 | Veggen | how is it to use as a phone? |
| 21:26.58 | qwerty12_N900 | denky: scratchbox <======8 |
| 21:27.00 | crashanddie_ | Veggen, awesome, really |
| 21:27.01 | Veggen | compared to, say, the iPhone? |
| 21:27.03 | denky | :-) |
| 21:27.04 | paroneayea | Veggen: it's fantastic |
| 21:27.05 | Arkenoi | just got my n900 as well, won one on maemo meetup ;-) |
| 21:27.10 | paroneayea | it works great as a phone |
| 21:27.16 | paroneayea | also works great as a computer |
| 21:27.17 | pupnik_ | nice win |
| 21:27.20 | paroneayea | it works great as both |
| 21:27.26 | lcuk | Arkenoi, coool are you .ru? |
| 21:27.28 | denky | awesome, I've only had it for a day. (long time n810 user though) |
| 21:27.28 | krfkeith | it jsut works great |
| 21:27.31 | Arkenoi | yep |
| 21:27.33 | timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: sorry, make that 900USD |
| 21:27.33 | crashanddie_ | Veggen, skype calls are good, even over 3g |
| 21:27.39 | Veggen | I'm considering one, when I can get to one in physical store. I do want to look and touch one before I buy, though. |
| 21:27.40 | timeless_mbp | i'm tired |
| 21:27.42 | timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: ... |
| 21:27.44 | lcuk | it works well as a hammer too and sometimes as a mirror |
| 21:27.49 | timeless_mbp | the list price in europe is 600EUR |
| 21:27.55 | krfkeith | has anyone had this issue with the emulators? |
| 21:27.58 | timeless_mbp | at 1.5USD per 1EUR, that's 900USD |
| 21:28.12 | timeless_mbp | so your 1000USD is only 100USD more than the european list price |
| 21:28.12 | pupnik_ | what issue |
| 21:28.14 | Veggen | (I do have the n810, but buying a n900 depends on its phone usability - if I want to use it as my primary phone or not) |
| 21:28.17 | qwerty12_N900 | krfkeith: What emulator, and what's the file name? |
| 21:28.18 | timeless_mbp | which is really not that bad |
| 21:28.24 | paroneayea | too bad blender mostly requires being able to right click |
| 21:28.30 | paroneayea | would be fun to use on the device |
| 21:28.32 | paroneayea | I may port it over anyway |
| 21:28.32 | krfkeith | qwerty12_N900: iNES, and VGBA |
| 21:28.34 | denky | Took a while to find the usual packages. Still haven't found screen, tcpdump and other such tools, though. Wouldn't mind porting them myself, but I'm sure someone has already done all that. |
| 21:28.38 | Arkenoi | won't sell it, the keyboard is not as good as e90, but that's maemo and s60 sucks |
| 21:28.41 | lcuk | krfkeith, if you are having problems with the emulators (or any apps) try to follow the bug reporting url specified iwth the app and file bugs. |
| 21:28.44 | timeless_mbp | ok, help |
| 21:28.49 | qwerty12_N900 | krfkeith: Trying to load a zip file? |
| 21:28.51 | pupnik_ | how bout a hack to map camera button to right-click on n900 |
| 21:28.52 | lcuk | help make maemo better and more stable for yourself and those that follow |
| 21:28.53 | Arkenoi | so i keep this one |
| 21:28.53 | krfkeith | lcuk: ok,will do |
| 21:28.57 | timeless_mbp | anyone here familiar w/ mmap? |
| 21:28.58 | denky | rsync -ave ssh --progress k@10.0.0.8:eos . |
| 21:29.09 | pupnik_ | for that specific app |
| 21:29.15 | denky | oops |
| 21:29.17 | krfkeith | qwerty12_N900: DUH! I'm an idiot! is there an unzip utility for maemo? |
| 21:29.30 | lcuk | krfkeith, normally theres lots of emu guys in here for the different ones, if you explain specifically which app and what you did |
| 21:29.39 | denky | and hey, what's up with maemomapper? |
| 21:29.42 | Arkenoi | is there better contact search application that works well without qwerty? |
| 21:29.46 | lcuk | someone should at least be able to try and find out |
| 21:29.49 | qwerty12_N900 | krfkeith: Not outside of extras-devel :\ |
| 21:29.50 | paroneayea | whoa |
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| 21:29.56 | paroneayea | just discovered the zoom in/out buttons |
| 21:30.00 | paroneayea | hmmm |
| 21:30.04 | paroneayea | oh hey |
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| 21:30.08 | timeless_mbp | krfkeith: unzip is kinda included in the backup app |
| 21:30.15 | Arkenoi | it's really great nokia did not drop irda, i like irda ;-) |
| 21:30.17 | timeless_mbp | since it uses .zip files for backups :) |
| 21:30.22 | timeless_mbp | but i've never tried to abuse it |
| 21:30.59 | krfkeith | timeless_mbp: so you can use it to unzip or not? |
| 21:31.01 | Arkenoi | do you compile on-device, without cross toolchain? |
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| 21:31.20 | qwerty12_N900 | Arkenoi: For sharing files? |
| 21:31.22 | Arkenoi | i like to have my development environment with me |
| 21:31.37 | paroneayea | Arkenoi: I've been considering doing that too |
| 21:31.44 | krfkeith | will OS2008 apps work on Freemantle? |
| 21:31.50 | timeless_mbp | krfkeith: i've never tried to abuse it |
| 21:31.53 | timeless_mbp | but i suspect i could |
| 21:31.55 | krfkeith | sorry for such a stupid ? |
| 21:32.14 | qwerty12_N900 | zap: Port Xarchiver :) |
| 21:32.20 | Arkenoi | qwerty: for sharing files it is too slow, but for sending contact cards it is better than bt as there is no need to search and pair (yes, some crazy devices cannot receive without pairing) |
| 21:32.41 | Arkenoi | and i do not want to pair with anyone, that's damn insecure ;-) |
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| 21:33.24 | krfkeith | I'm going to try and compile 0 A.D. (age of empires clone) for Maemo5 |
| 21:33.24 | qwerty12_N900 | Arkenoi: Ah, Nokia haven't provided support for sending files using it and I'm not entirely sure it can recieve signals, either... |
| 21:33.34 | krfkeith | maemo is debian based right? |
| 21:34.19 | paroneayea | krfkeith: correct, it is a debian derivative |
| 21:34.26 | krfkeith | ah good |
| 21:34.29 | paroneayea | packages are not quite the same as debian |
| 21:34.35 | krfkeith | oh darn |
| 21:34.37 | Arkenoi | qwerty: does it work as remote control? |
| 21:34.43 | krfkeith | so debian stuff won't work directly I guess |
| 21:34.50 | Stskeeps | krfkeith: give it a try and see if it works, best way |
| 21:34.51 | paroneayea | correct |
| 21:34.52 | krfkeith | i.e., I can't use debian arm repositories |
| 21:34.55 | Stskeeps | armel |
| 21:34.56 | qwerty12_N900 | Arkenoi: Sure; check irreco |
| 21:35.03 | denky | maemomapper for n900, where on earth is it? |
| 21:35.05 | paroneayea | krfkeith: well, there is apparently an optify thing |
| 21:35.08 | Stskeeps | denky: garage.maemo.org |
| 21:35.10 | krfkeith | Stskeeps: will do |
| 21:35.15 | Arkenoi | qwerty: sounds quite strange as sending files is standard linux irda stack capability |
| 21:35.24 | krfkeith | paroneayea: what's optify? |
| 21:35.27 | denky | right, ofcourse |
| 21:35.29 | Stskeeps | denky: the guy who made it is now working for google.. |
| 21:35.32 | krfkeith | does it convert .deb to whatever maemo uses? |
| 21:35.33 | pillar | lcuk, sorry been busy trying to configure things on it :) |
| 21:35.45 | paroneayea | krfkeith: not sure if that's the name, but maemo .deb files install in /opt instead of /usr |
| 21:35.51 | paroneayea | to keep /usr flashable and other optimizations |
| 21:36.04 | paroneayea | so if you install an arm package into /usr |
| 21:36.04 | krfkeith | paroneayea: ok |
| 21:36.06 | qwerty12_N900 | Arkenoi: Think it's there for developers to use as they wish, so if someone does hack it to allow it to send files :) |
| 21:36.08 | paroneayea | you'll run out of space |
| 21:36.09 | paroneayea | fast :) |
| 21:36.24 | paroneayea | I haven't tried it, someone recommended that I do though |
| 21:36.42 | paroneayea | I am trying to learn packaging so I can be useful |
| 21:36.51 | pillar | lcuk trying to make xterm utf-8 friendly and adding up/down/alt to xterm virtual button list |
| 21:37.10 | greenfly | pillar: don't need alt |
| 21:37.21 | lcuk | cool, qole posted a set of keys he uses lots for term |
| 21:37.22 | pillar | greenfly how come? |
| 21:37.39 | greenfly | pillar: in a terminal, Esc and Alt are interchangeable, apparently |
| 21:37.39 | denky | Stskeeps: figures... :) |
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| 21:37.44 | pillar | lcuk yeah, noticed that one :) |
| 21:37.58 | qwerty12_N900 | pillar: Nokia, being the genii that they are, removed the dialog for adding shortcuts in the X Terminal app itself. You'll have to edit its GConf keys |
| 21:38.09 | lardman | hmm, anyone know how I can rip a CD using Ubuntu Karmic Koala? |
| 21:38.27 | greenfly | lardman: various options but I still like grip the best |
| 21:38.32 | greenfly | there's also soundjuicer |
| 21:38.38 | lardman | I can't find the mount point for the drive |
| 21:38.39 | paroneayea | so the "slider" that is next to the headphone port |
| 21:38.42 | paroneayea | what is that for? |
| 21:38.47 | paroneayea | it clearly isn't for opening the case |
| 21:38.53 | greenfly | paroneayea: locks the screen |
| 21:38.55 | qwerty12_N900 | Locking the tablet |
| 21:38.57 | paroneayea | greenfly: aha |
| 21:39.23 | paroneayea | that makes screen locking much easier :) |
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| 21:39.33 | paroneayea | hey, maybe I can remap that one to an alt key ;) |
| 21:39.41 | paroneayea | still searching for a good way to get alt |
| 21:40.17 | greenfly | why do you need alt? |
| 21:40.27 | paroneayea | I guess I can just remap execute-extended-command in emacs (M-x) |
| 21:40.34 | paroneayea | emacs nerd :) |
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| 21:40.51 | pekuja | is it easy to remap keys on Maemo? does xmodmap work? |
| 21:40.52 | qwerty12_N900 | Use vi - problem solved =) |
| 21:40.55 | greenfly | ahh. Esc works in a terminal but I don't know about in emacs |
| 21:40.58 | pillar | qwerty yeah that's what I'm trying, I'm such a newbie with this kind of things |
| 21:40.59 | paroneayea | qwerty12_N900: never! :) |
| 21:41.09 | Arkenoi | looks like i canoot access sim toolkit from maemo |
| 21:41.12 | paroneayea | actually I do use vi |
| 21:41.13 | paroneayea | sometimes |
| 21:41.22 | greenfly | paroneayea: how are you going to do all the emacs combo keys with your thumbs? |
| 21:41.23 | pillar | greenfly: you are probably right, I remember using esc on mac |
| 21:41.48 | hotaru2k3 | real vi, busybox vi, or vim? |
| 21:41.54 | paroneayea | greenfly: most "emacs combos" are just successions of two keys pressed at once |
| 21:41.55 | pillar | green: I wanted alt for changing channels on irssi |
| 21:42.00 | paroneayea | either ctrl+key or alt+key |
| 21:42.11 | paroneayea | so, you already are doing ctrl+key with the n900 keyboard |
| 21:42.19 | greenfly | pillar: yeah I use Esc for that in irssi |
| 21:42.29 | greenfly | works just fine |
| 21:42.34 | pillar | greenfly: nice, thanks |
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| 21:43.02 | krfkeith | what's the defualt root password |
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| 21:43.28 | paroneayea | krfkeith: if you type "sudo gainroot" you don't enter one |
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| 21:43.45 | qwerty12_N900 | ~root-access |
| 21:43.46 | infobot | i heard root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 21:43.47 | paroneayea | and when you install ssh-server it'll prompt you for a password for root |
| 21:44.01 | paroneayea | ah, every channel needs an infobot of some sort hm ? :) |
| 21:44.03 | pillar | krfkeith: also, installing ssh-server ... paroneayea beat me to it |
| 21:44.11 | greenfly | no ssh as root! :) |
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| 21:45.04 | paroneayea | greenfly: not my fault! Those are maemo defaults :) |
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| 21:46.10 | crashanddie_ | just deactivate password login and slam a certificate in there |
| 21:46.18 | greenfly | at least it prompts you to enter a password... |
| 21:46.23 | greenfly | glares at jailbroken iphones |
| 21:46.43 | pillar | :) |
| 21:47.04 | paroneayea | crashanddie_: assuming you meant using public key auth, that's certainly the right route |
| 21:47.17 | felbutss | hey guys. i dont know if u guys remebr me from a few hours ago what i was having problems flashing my n900 with flasher, as my firmware update with NSU stoped half way. |
| 21:47.46 | felbutss | flash still cant detect my N900. i was reading the redme file and notice i have to put it in flashing mode |
| 21:48.00 | crashanddie_ | felbutss, no, not really |
| 21:48.02 | Stskeeps | felbutss: you can try to hold down 'u' |
| 21:48.04 | felbutss | i hold down u then plug the USB cable in but nothing happens |
| 21:48.18 | Stskeeps | u on the n900 i assume? |
| 21:48.25 | felbutss | yep |
| 21:48.31 | timeless_mbp | paroneayea: afaik installing into /opt doesn't make your system flashable |
| 21:48.38 | timeless_mbp | in fact, it should make your system hosed |
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| 21:48.47 | timeless_mbp | because when you flash, we forget that you have stuff in /opt |
| 21:49.03 | timeless_mbp | and if you try to install or update those packages, afaik, you should get awful conflicts |
| 21:49.05 | Stskeeps | felbutss: any success charging it? |
| 21:49.30 | felbutss | ye its charged |
| 21:49.30 | felbutss | lemi try a few things |
| 21:49.34 | felbutss | fingers crossed |
| 21:50.11 | hcarrega | hi |
| 21:50.28 | paroneayea | timeless_mbp: well, there was some justification for the incompatible-opt-silliness |
| 21:50.33 | paroneayea | I assumed that was some part of it :) |
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| 21:51.55 | Stskeeps | felbutss: could you for fun try to do flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode -R |
| 21:52.01 | Stskeeps | and see if that changes anything |
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| 21:52.16 | pillar | green: yep, esc works! now if I could only get the xterm show scandinavic keys right in irssi.. they do work fine in the shell |
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| 21:53.59 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: saw there's now a 'qwertyberty' on t.m.o? ;p |
| 21:54.25 | hcarrega | hi |
| 21:54.26 | qwerty12_N900 | Damn these fakes! |
| 21:54.48 | krfkeith | I was looking at xarchiver, and it said I needed to install certain utilites, so I used apt-get and it doesn't show them |
| 21:54.50 | Stskeeps | i thought it was like a retarded qwerty ;) |
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| 21:55.05 | VDVsx | qwertyberty == trolling qwerty12_N900 :P |
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| 21:56.05 | lcuk | where is xchat |
| 21:56.09 | Shapeshifter | lol n900 crybabies |
| 21:56.20 | lcuk | and why is -devel down and is it stopping the autobuilder |
| 21:56.55 | felbutss | C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode -R flasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009) Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 21:57.09 | felbutss | :( |
| 21:57.22 | Stskeeps | felbutss: original USB cable? |
| 21:57.27 | felbutss | yep |
| 21:57.30 | felbutss | was in the box |
| 21:57.38 | Stskeeps | felbutss: and try to pull battery, plug in battery, insert usb |
| 21:58.04 | felbutss | running out of ideas. tryed that two about 30 times lol. |
| 21:58.14 | felbutss | ill do a few more things |
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| 21:58.31 | felbutss | it just keeps restarting and doing weird things. |
| 21:58.36 | Stskeeps | felbutss: so did you buy or did you win it, btw? :P |
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| 21:58.50 | felbutss | win |
| 21:59.10 | felbutss | how can i check if its a pre prod |
| 21:59.27 | Stskeeps | under the cover usually, under battery |
| 21:59.35 | Stskeeps | but it sounds weird that this happens :P |
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| 21:59.58 | felbutss | it does lol |
| 22:00.34 | Stskeeps | so i'm going to assume it didn't come with warranty? :P |
| 22:01.16 | felbutss | wasnt mentioned? it said i won a brand new n900 if it didnt then thats dodgy |
| 22:01.22 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 22:01.30 | felbutss | on nokia behalf |
| 22:01.31 | Stskeeps | can you explain more about the circumstances? :) |
| 22:01.43 | felbutss | wht part |
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| 22:01.53 | Stskeeps | as in, how did you win it/what competition/etc :P |
| 22:01.53 | lcuk | which event, competition etc? |
| 22:02.12 | SpeedEvil | Single combat? |
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| 22:02.36 | SpeedEvil | Though that's frowned on as a means of aquisition in some cases. |
| 22:02.50 | javispedro | it is? :( |
| 22:03.13 | VDVsx | runs and hides from the mega trolling attack at tmo :) |
| 22:03.15 | Stskeeps | felbutss: basically you might have some degree of luck contacting nokia care.. if your device went that hosed in a NSU flash/died in the midst, it might be of interest to developers |
| 22:03.34 | Stskeeps | felbutss: NSU doesn't react to it now? |
| 22:03.44 | felbutss | on blogs.nokia.com/nseries i won the nokia cityman contest. it was like a little OVI promotion thing nokia were doing. they just contact me through email and im in australia by the way |
| 22:04.12 | lcuk | ahhhh holding your n900 upside down invalidates even the strongest of warranties |
| 22:04.25 | javispedro | VDVsx: why? we're safely hidden here. just grab some popcorn and enjoy the show :) |
| 22:04.33 | felbutss | hhhmmm |
| 22:04.34 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: The same can be said for taking it to the north |
| 22:04.58 | lcuk | lol |
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| 22:05.35 | lcuk | i need to get my head into liqbase |
| 22:05.36 | VDVsx | javispedro, :) |
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| 22:05.52 | lardman | decides to boot windows to rip cd, sad he knows |
| 22:05.56 | lardman | bbl |
| 22:05.59 | javispedro | and hpe the trolls don't invade this place, or else we have to retreat to #maemo-bunker |
| 22:06.00 | VDVsx | lcuk, are you porting liqbase to the Iphone ? |
| 22:06.02 | lcuk | cya simon |
| 22:06.22 | lcuk | VDVsx, nahhh i might port iphone as an app inside liqbase one day tho |
| 22:06.29 | qwerty12_N900 | VDVsx: Nah, he's bringing iPhone to liqbase |
| 22:06.30 | qwerty12_N900 | Heh |
| 22:06.34 | qwerty12_N900 | +the |
| 22:06.35 | lcuk | afterall, its just a posh browser |
| 22:06.37 | VDVsx | lcuk, buhhhhhh |
| 22:06.45 | melmoth | bah |
| 22:06.46 | melmoth | oups |
| 22:06.47 | VDVsx | that's a deal breaker |
| 22:06.54 | Arkenoi | pdf reader is surprisingly smooth on n900. it was quite a nightmare on n770 |
| 22:06.55 | Stskeeps | felbutss: right. for good measure, try to mail back to them. Explain that you wanted to reflash using NSU, and it failed mid-way. Tell them that you downloaded a firmware image manually, got advice by maemo.org community to try out flashing using flasher-3.5, and even tried to enable R&D mode, all of which failed. If they could advise you a way to get your N900 back in shape - maybe the problem would be of interest to them. |
| 22:06.56 | lcuk | snot really VDVsx |
| 22:07.01 | lcuk | iphone on n810 sounds appealing |
| 22:07.32 | qwerty12_N900 | Arkenoi: Wasn't everything a nightmare on the 770? :) |
| 22:07.33 | VDVsx | lcuk, with sooth scrolling ;) |
| 22:07.33 | felbutss | im was writing somthing up now lol |
| 22:07.39 | felbutss | thanks ill add to that |
| 22:07.41 | lcuk | felbutss, listen to Stskeeps, he is out dist-master. |
| 22:07.50 | lcuk | our |
| 22:07.56 | felbutss | lol i can tell he is amazing |
| 22:08.16 | Stskeeps | felbutss: i'd be at a loss if i was in your situation too. i would be able to dig out a little more info but that's that :P |
| 22:08.20 | lcuk | heh shush you just made his head grow a bit more |
| 22:08.44 | Stskeeps | felbutss: also mention you have tried to charge it etc :P |
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| 22:09.16 | lcuk | has anyone tested whether n900 is blendproof yet? |
| 22:09.20 | lcuk | or waterproof? |
| 22:09.25 | lcuk | or any of the things people try |
| 22:09.38 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I have submitted it to the BlendTek people as a suggestion. |
| 22:09.39 | qwerty12_N900 | ladies first, *nudges lcuk* |
| 22:09.49 | lcuk | :D hahaha SpeedEvil great! |
| 22:09.55 | *** join/#maemo panaggio (n=panaggio@200-158-190-234.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 22:10.10 | lcuk | brb moving boxen |
| 22:13.12 | *** join/#maemo sjaensch (n=sj@mgdb-4db8d955.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 22:13.34 | felbutss | wait a minute. i was able to turn it on a few minutes ago for a few seconds. now it wont turn on at all if i press the power button. so maybe the phone didnt charge at all last night with the wall charger. it was charging with the flashing yellow light in my car last night |
| 22:13.51 | felbutss | will it not enter flashing mode by holding U with a low battery |
| 22:13.56 | felbutss | ? |
| 22:14.03 | Stskeeps | felbutss: i personally don |
| 22:14.12 | Stskeeps | 't use 'u' for flashing.. :P |
| 22:14.22 | felbutss | lol |
| 22:14.22 | felbutss | ooo |
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| 22:14.57 | Stskeeps | felbutss: ok, now try to plug it in, hold down power button after plugging it in |
| 22:16.41 | felbutss | nothing. brb guys im off to the nokia care centre. ill let u guys know later how i go. the device isnt even in australia yet. they problem have not seem one before |
| 22:16.59 | felbutss | probley* |
| 22:17.10 | Stskeeps | felbutss: good luck - they may have flashing stations for it |
| 22:17.22 | Stskeeps | felbutss: keep us updated OK? |
| 22:17.23 | felbutss | hope so. i hope they have the image |
| 22:17.27 | felbutss | i will |
| 22:17.30 | felbutss | brbrb cyas |
| 22:18.39 | GAN900 | Arkenoi, it's not IRDA |
| 22:18.52 | javispedro | notes that some tmo trolls write similarly styled posts |
| 22:19.03 | Arkenoi | GAN900: what is it then? |
| 22:19.40 | GAN900 | CiR |
| 22:19.55 | Arkenoi | gan900: wow. is it powerful enough? |
| 22:19.58 | GAN900 | Same type of thing that's on your remote control. |
| 22:20.02 | kynky | the kind you find on a tv remote control |
| 22:20.17 | Arkenoi | i know what cir is and wonder why it is so rare in gadgets ;-) |
| 22:20.20 | GAN900 | I don't have a room big enough to test the range. |
| 22:20.35 | kynky | more useful imho, especially considering wifi and bt for data |
| 22:20.39 | GAN900 | shrugs |
| 22:20.52 | javispedro | I wanted IrDA :( |
| 22:20.52 | Stskeeps | javispedro: i vote for masked IP addresses on tmo |
| 22:20.54 | GAN900 | Probably because Palm made IRDA so popular. |
| 22:21.11 | GAN900 | Bluetooth. |
| 22:21.58 | Stskeeps | javispedro: either that, or the ability to punch people in the face over IP. |
| 22:21.59 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:22.12 | javispedro | the worst part is that sometime it is trolls who bring in some sanity... |
| 22:22.15 | kynky | irda is slow for data i thought. compared to wireless g |
| 22:22.27 | SpeedEvil | kynky: yes - generally very slow |
| 22:22.49 | javispedro | irda is slow, obsolete and useless. but I still want, I'm a geek dammit. |
| 22:23.09 | kynky | javispedro, so its just the geek factor :) |
| 22:23.17 | SpeedEvil | IRDA is however _easy_ |
| 22:23.22 | javispedro | exactly. |
| 22:23.24 | SpeedEvil | in that all you need is a UART |
| 22:23.38 | kynky | and direct line of sight ? |
| 22:24.00 | SpeedEvil | that too. |
| 22:24.06 | GAN900 | and time |
| 22:24.22 | GAN900 | Lots of time for anything not utterly trivial. ;) |
| 22:24.23 | kynky | and compatability |
| 22:24.28 | crashanddie_ | line it up, just a bit more, a, i got something, shit, it failed |
| 22:24.33 | SpeedEvil | And it also fails if you're at >0.3C with regards to the reciever, due to doppler. |
| 22:24.44 | SpeedEvil | oops. |
| 22:24.49 | kynky | cir has wider angle i thought |
| 22:24.51 | SpeedEvil | holds up a pen, which flashes. |
| 22:25.00 | GAN900 | bemoans Florida drivers |
| 22:25.02 | javispedro | thanks for the information, I will make sure to test IrDA while on a spaceship |
| 22:25.33 | crashanddie_ | javispedro, thought exactly the same ;) |
| 22:25.45 | crashanddie_ | javispedro, though that would be lowercase c |
| 22:26.00 | crashanddie_ | is bored |
| 22:26.05 | crashanddie_ | no shows to watch, nothing to do |
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| 22:26.10 | hotaru2k3 | bt and wifi have the same problem with doppler, tho |
| 22:26.10 | javispedro | OH SHIT |
| 22:26.18 | javispedro | too late for a show. |
| 22:26.20 | javispedro | too bad. |
| 22:26.29 | GAN900 | crashanddie_, go counter-troll Talk. |
| 22:26.50 | Stskeeps | yes, we need to employ some of the former trolls to counter the incoming ones :P |
| 22:27.13 | kynky | well n900 should be more powerful than computers used for original spaceshuttle program, so all you need now is some rocket fuel and some metal and a launchpad |
| 22:27.13 | GAN900 | and don't hate on zerojay |
| 22:27.13 | crashanddie_ | GAN900, I said I was bored, not wanting to change my habits |
| 22:27.13 | crashanddie_ | GAN900, I didn't hate on him |
| 22:27.13 | lcuk | im gonna do something i havent done in a long time. |
| 22:27.14 | crashanddie_ | lcuk, wank? |
| 22:27.23 | qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: I like this strategy. You first? |
| 22:27.25 | lcuk | nahh im doin that now, shurrup |
| 22:27.33 | lcuk | i meant try fbreader |
| 22:27.36 | crashanddie_ | lcuk, stop wanking then? |
| 22:27.39 | crashanddie_ | oh |
| 22:27.40 | lcuk | and go through some new books |
| 22:27.52 | GAN900 | needs to find more books. |
| 22:27.54 | lcuk | and if im unhappy i might take the backend of fbreader |
| 22:27.56 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: i was thinking PB could be put to use |
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| 22:27.57 | javispedro | so, microb has now an ugly and unthemed "addons" window? |
| 22:27.58 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: You're gonna toss on books? |
| 22:28.01 | lcuk | and do stuff to it |
| 22:28.02 | Stskeeps | javispedro: yes |
| 22:28.03 | qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: heh |
| 22:28.05 | GAN900 | I keep finishing them and running out. |
| 22:28.11 | greenfly | javispedro: "now" ? |
| 22:28.22 | crashanddie_ | GAN900, that sounds bad, in the wanking context |
| 22:28.24 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: Is your library sticky? |
| 22:28.28 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: for facilitating them, of course |
| 22:28.33 | lcuk | qwerty12_N900, yes |
| 22:28.33 | javispedro | greenfly: Well on Diablo the extensions window was themed... |
| 22:28.39 | greenfly | javispedro: ahh |
| 22:28.44 | lcuk | it is the only reason why people want portrait phones |
| 22:28.57 | crashanddie_ | wanking with the other hand while browsing porn? |
| 22:29.22 | javispedro | you perverts, why I assume that is 90% of the n900 usecases |
| 22:29.26 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: Yeah, lol, there was a guy on Talk asking for portrait mode support in the video player |
| 22:29.32 | lcuk | nahhh javispedro its not |
| 22:29.32 | qwerty12_N900 | I had to reply |
| 22:29.33 | crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N900, LMAO |
| 22:29.36 | GAN900 | . . . |
| 22:29.40 | lcuk | the iphone users want it |
| 22:29.44 | Juzna | hmm |
| 22:29.45 | lcuk | they are used to one handed use |
| 22:29.51 | crashanddie_ | yeah but they're wankers anyway |
| 22:29.54 | crashanddie_ | not literally though |
| 22:29.57 | lcuk | lololol |
| 22:29.57 | greenfly | heh |
| 22:30.05 | lcuk | qwerty12_N900, me n tracy were making a video the other day |
| 22:30.07 | Juzna | is there a way to create shortcuts for ssh hosts? |
| 22:30.11 | Stskeeps | the question is rather if n900 qualifies as a proper pink page viewer |
| 22:30.13 | Juzna | or there is but is there some guide |
| 22:30.16 | javispedro | At last, a troll who looks the part, at last, a gadget which looks good naked. |
| 22:30.30 | lcuk | and fell about laughing at the capabilities of the device |
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| 22:30.32 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: lol |
| 22:30.39 | lcuk | Stskeeps, testing is a hard job |
| 22:31.05 | crashanddie_ | "hard" indeed |
| 22:31.12 | kynky | lcuk, especially for pimps |
| 22:31.22 | julianoliver | hi, i am getting continuous 401: Unauthorized IP errors while running the 'maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh' script. it appears to be the same problem as others are expressing here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5622 |
| 22:31.24 | povbot | Bug 5622: extras-devel: apt-get install complains about unauthorized IP |
| 22:31.26 | GAN900 | Barcelona is getting closer and I still don't know what's what. |
| 22:31.31 | crashanddie_ | julianoliver, more people have reported it |
| 22:31.40 | crashanddie_ | GAN900, it's a city in spain |
| 22:31.52 | lcuk | GAN900, just come over and talk with us, will be good to meet you finally |
| 22:31.55 | javispedro | GAN900: ah, me neither. I don't even know what to do on friday... |
| 22:31.58 | crashanddie_ | GAN900, though technically, it's not moving, so not really "getting closer" |
| 22:32.06 | GAN900 | lcuk, travel arrangements. |
| 22:32.06 | julianoliver | crashanddie_: is there a workaround? the IP listed is not my own, probably an ISP proxy. |
| 22:32.44 | crashanddie_ | julianoliver, not that I'm aware of |
| 22:32.44 | GAN900 | Need a hotel for Sunday night. |
| 22:32.45 | lcuk | im gonna be givin a run through of liqbase and explain what its capable of so we can see some upgrades and ideas spin off based on the calendar |
| 22:32.45 | lcuk | oh cripes GAN900 |
| 22:32.46 | GAN900 | Also need to see where everything in the city is located. |
| 22:32.52 | crashanddie_ | "A man in Taiwan was robbed of more than $2 million in cash that he had just withdrawn from the bank, a police official said on Tuesday." |
| 22:32.53 | lcuk | confirm in blood before you fly |
| 22:33.16 | javispedro | ah well, you have ovi maps don't you? >:) |
| 22:33.17 | hotaru2k3 | crashanddie_: technically, it is moving |
| 22:33.19 | lcuk | crashanddie_, you still got any left? |
| 22:33.19 | crashanddie_ | He just withdrew $2M? |
| 22:33.23 | GAN900 | crashanddie_, he so deserves it. |
| 22:33.25 | julianoliver | GAN900: have to act early - sort out accommodation in BCN now. |
| 22:33.28 | *** join/#maemo jaem (n=jaem@69.90.55.72) |
| 22:33.38 | lcuk | NOW |
| 22:33.43 | javispedro | OR ELSE. |
| 22:33.53 | lcuk | you sleep on javispedro's couch |
| 22:33.56 | crashanddie_ | As in what, "Hi there, I'd like to make a withdrawal" "Ah, Mr Chenoi, your weekly $2M?" "Yes indeed Julia" |
| 22:33.56 | GAN900 | I sleep in the airport. ;) |
| 22:34.03 | julianoliver | GAN900: if desperate can look into the 'pensions'. sometimes dodgy but generally cheap if hotels are booked out. |
| 22:34.28 | greenfly | anyone know of a way to send libevent-style notifications via the command line? the standard Linux apps for it don't seem to be ported yet |
| 22:34.30 | javispedro | hotels booked out? |
| 22:34.31 | greenfly | maybe dbus? |
| 22:34.35 | lcuk | how do i bag a room at barca im covered |
| 22:34.49 | lcuk | quim posted something about 16 rooms |
| 22:35.01 | javispedro | yeah, in NH Cornellà which is at a few meters |
| 22:35.04 | lcuk | do we need to do anything special or just turn up and play musical beds |
| 22:35.14 | julianoliver | well it's a popular city for conferences and so on occassion you can find yourself either looking for accom at the lowest of the low end or the highest of the high end. |
| 22:35.17 | GAN900 | Christ, this is the 6th accident that's stopped traffic dead in the past 20 miles. |
| 22:35.21 | crashanddie_ | "A study from two Swiss human rights organizations, Trial and Pro Juventute, has found that some video games depict war and battle actions that in real life would violate international human rights laws." <-- THAT'S WHY IT'S A GAME |
| 22:35.33 | GAN900 | 20 mph average here. |
| 22:35.39 | crashanddie_ | GAN900, stop using your N900 while driving, you'll cause less accidents |
| 22:35.43 | greenfly | crashanddie_: heh, I wonder if they are going to outlaw team killing |
| 22:35.52 | GAN900 | crashanddie_, not driving. |
| 22:36.19 | IcanCU | fring ads skype videochat for s60 .. nice |
| 22:36.24 | GAN900 | crashanddie_, WHAT? |
| 22:36.35 | javispedro | so I guess the hour of the "it sucks" threads has finally arrived. |
| 22:36.37 | GAN900 | Yeah, they let you nuke games in MW2. |
| 22:36.48 | javispedro | hopes everything to die early and nokia to go back to tablets ;) |
| 22:36.57 | GAN900 | got nuked the other night. :( |
| 22:36.59 | lcuk | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000IZGIA8?ie=UTF8&tag=random-good-stuff-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B000IZGIA8 |
| 22:37.03 | crashanddie_ | greenfly, "You are charged with the murder of bl0kbust3r during an Elite Co-op mission of Modern Warfare 2, what do you plead?" |
| 22:37.05 | lcuk | GAN900, did oyu get one of these? |
| 22:37.14 | lcuk | crashanddie_, read that link |
| 22:37.24 | lcuk | and mostly the customer reviews |
| 22:37.25 | krfkeith | where do I get the python package? |
| 22:37.28 | Stskeeps | javispedro: the key is to say "if you want to throw out your window, let us know where you live so we can grab a free N900".. |
| 22:37.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:37.35 | crashanddie_ | lcuk, old |
| 22:37.43 | crashanddie_ | lcuk, saw that on slashdot, plus a quote of the comment some time ago |
| 22:37.48 | lcuk | so |
| 22:37.51 | lcuk | :D |
| 22:38.00 | lcuk | its worth laughin again |
| 22:38.11 | crashanddie_ | there's one on TDW that made me laugh hard earlier today, lemme find it |
| 22:38.11 | javispedro | Stskeeps: "but remember to add receipt, invoice,... whatever is needed for warranty stuff". |
| 22:39.02 | crashanddie_ | lcuk, http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200907/errord/wtf_domain_queen.jpg |
| 22:39.22 | javispedro | haha |
| 22:39.25 | lcuk | :D |
| 22:39.28 | lcuk | cool |
| 22:39.32 | javispedro | is big fan of tdwtf |
| 22:39.34 | lcuk | i havent ready dailywtf in ages |
| 22:39.48 | julianoliver | hmm.. N900/Maemo get's a pretty incredible review on the German Engadget: http://www.gizmodo.de/2009/11/23/test-nokia-n900-darauf-hat-die-welt-gewartet.html |
| 22:39.49 | jaem | me neither |
| 22:39.50 | crashanddie_ | I mean, I understand you want your website to be user friendly |
| 22:39.57 | crashanddie_ | but seriously, catering for every single person on the planet? |
| 22:40.02 | julianoliver | s/Engadget/Gizmodo |
| 22:40.11 | crashanddie_ | gets |
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| 22:40.28 | javispedro | crashanddie_: what if for whatever reason I'm a King? |
| 22:40.29 | lcuk | hey timeless |
| 22:40.38 | crashanddie_ | javispedro, then it means you're useless |
| 22:40.51 | javispedro | even better |
| 22:40.56 | javispedro | more reason to register useless domains |
| 22:40.59 | crashanddie_ | javispedro, name a kind alive today who has any power? There aren't any, so you're not even legally allowed to write your name down |
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| 22:41.21 | Arkenoi | is there an office application for maemo? |
| 22:41.36 | crashanddie_ | Arkenoi, At the moment there are document readers |
| 22:41.57 | crashanddie_ | Arkenoi, however no full blown office app as of yet, not compatible with MS Office, if that's your question |
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| 22:42.03 | GAN900 | This is worse than California traffic. |
| 22:42.10 | kynky | Arkenoi, there is google apps, if a webapp for editing word files is ok for you |
| 22:42.11 | crashanddie_ | GAN900, california traffic is OK |
| 22:42.11 | Arkenoi | no editors? does google documents work ok with browser? |
| 22:42.19 | *** join/#maemo cure` (n=cure@rzavelli.demon.nl) |
| 22:42.24 | Arkenoi | well, not quite ok but better than nothing |
| 22:42.30 | hotaru2k3 | there's |
| 22:42.33 | GAN900 | crashanddie_, not to a Florida driver. |
| 22:42.48 | lcuk | whos driving you |
| 22:42.53 | GAN900 | Traffic delays are a very rare thing for me. |
| 22:42.54 | lcuk | or on bus? |
| 22:42.54 | crashanddie_ | lcuk, the bus |
| 22:43.10 | crashanddie_ | GAN900, do you have a driving license? |
| 22:43.11 | qwerty12_N900 | GAN900: Out of all the things wrong with Florida, you choose to complain about the traffic? |
| 22:43.22 | GAN900 | My roommate. |
| 22:43.41 | GAN900 | crashanddie_, since I was 16 |
| 22:43.45 | crashanddie_ | GAN900, no car? |
| 22:43.52 | GAN900 | Oh |
| 22:43.54 | GAN900 | Uh |
| 22:43.56 | kynky | the women in florida dont wear enough clothing :) |
| 22:43.57 | GAN900 | 5 hour drive |
| 22:44.00 | GAN900 | my car |
| 22:44.02 | crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N900, you live in east london, you're not allowed to complain about other parts of the world |
| 22:44.10 | crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N900, not until you've chosen to live somewhere |
| 22:44.15 | GAN900 | My roommate and I split the driving time. |
| 22:44.43 | crashanddie_ | kynky, your nickname sounds strangely weird with that statement |
| 22:44.46 | lcuk | i hope to godyou didnt high 5 as you started your roadtrip |
| 22:44.55 | kynky | crashanddie_, lol |
| 22:45.01 | Arkenoi | is there a torch application that uses camera flash? |
| 22:45.13 | crashanddie_ | lcuk, no, he used a cheesy line, put on his glasses and walked off-camera |
| 22:45.20 | crashanddie_ | YEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH |
| 22:45.24 | GAN900 | Arkenoi, no, but dbus should be easy enough. |
| 22:45.34 | lcuk | Arkenoi, :'( not yet tho one has been seen. liqtorch will include it in v2 |
| 22:45.49 | crashanddie_ | I would love to hear a frenchman ask "I can not find the location of dbus" |
| 22:46.15 | lcuk | "dbus" is common language up north |
| 22:46.16 | julianoliver | ok, that won a smile. |
| 22:46.21 | *** join/#maemo MrGoose1 (n=cache@5ac515c3.bb.sky.com) |
| 22:46.24 | lcuk | "im goin catchin dbus" |
| 22:46.40 | crashanddie_ | lcuk, that's just because "the" isn't part of the dictionary in those parts of the world |
| 22:46.49 | lcuk | :D |
| 22:47.13 | GAN900 | Hrm, if you used a desktop widget to switch the flash on and off with a switch, could you catch the dbus signal to Camera and keep it from launching? |
| 22:47.52 | lbt | no - dbus is broadcast in that sense |
| 22:48.15 | julianoliver | interestingly it's <http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free Sources> that fails with the "401 Unauthorized [IP: ..]" |
| 22:48.24 | javispedro | but it is really a signal? the camera app is down by then |
| 22:48.54 | lcuk | javispedro, e means because you need to open the cover to see the flash |
| 22:49.07 | lcuk | and that starts the camera app |
| 22:49.29 | lcuk | the camera app should simply have a flashbulb button |
| 22:49.38 | lcuk | to turn it on |
| 22:49.44 | lcuk | sometimes when im trying to do macro photos at night i would like the light on |
| 22:49.59 | lcuk | instead of hjust a brief pulse as i half press button |
| 22:50.00 | qwerty12_N900 | To help locate your tiny knob? |
| 22:50.09 | julianoliver | does anyone else have other than "hosts: files dns" in /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 22:50.13 | lcuk | that way torch app is intrinsic to camera |
| 22:50.13 | lcuk | yes qwerty |
| 22:51.02 | julianoliver | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.11 | lcuk | GAN900, that ^ will work for the camera |
| 22:51.22 | lcuk | nice and simple and gives a way to do always on flash/torch utility |
| 22:51.30 | crashanddie_ | I'm going to start a new website |
| 22:51.33 | crashanddie_ | registering the domain now |
| 22:51.35 | lcuk | whilst not breaking camera app or needing to curse or block |
| 22:51.36 | *** join/#maemo benh (n=benh@202.81.18.30) |
| 22:51.39 | javispedro | maemohaters.com ? |
| 22:51.40 | crashanddie_ | sitonmyfacebook |
| 22:52.02 | *** part/#maemo jayabharath (n=a0866114@nat/ti/x-dtwwhmwsqiunahtk) |
| 22:52.02 | toggles_w | crashanddie_: lol too late.. |
| 22:52.06 | timeless_mbp | hi lcuk |
| 22:52.11 | crashanddie_ | shit |
| 22:52.12 | crashanddie_ | indeed |
| 22:52.20 | crashanddie_ | sitonmyfacebook.com Estimated Worth $489.1 USD |
| 22:52.30 | julianoliver | "myface.com", like facebook, but just you. |
| 22:52.53 | crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N900, lcuk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDwjw6U2FIs |
| 22:53.16 | crashanddie_ | just the few 5 seconds is enough |
| 22:55.33 | crashanddie_ | and at 2:40 |
| 22:55.44 | crashanddie_ | "the word the" |
| 22:56.17 | wazd_ | ok, now alcohol can suspend all my hate :) |
| 22:56.41 | wazd_ | or surpress |
| 22:56.45 | wazd_ | whatever :D |
| 22:57.27 | wazd_ | suppress* |
| 22:59.18 | julianoliver | wazd_: while simultaneously suspending your ability to spell. perfectly normal ;) |
| 22:59.21 | GAN900 | lol |
| 23:00.43 | lcuk | wow qwerty12_N900 http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/11/24/2025212/UK-File-Sharing-Laws-Unenforceable-On-Mobile-Networks?art_pos=3 |
| 23:00.47 | lcuk | who woulda known |
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| 23:02.21 | SpeedEvil | Umm bullshit. |
| 23:03.23 | SpeedEvil | Ah - 'we don't want to spend the money to enforce' - slightly different thing. |
| 23:03.55 | SpeedEvil | Also the fun thing is that the spy comminunity hates this. |
| 23:04.19 | SpeedEvil | As of course a non-negligable fraction of people will decide they'd rather VPN to russia, and do their sharing there. |
| 23:07.41 | w00t_ | as a matter of course thanks to things like the IWF and other rather scary trends rumbling around in the news, all my traffic goes via ssh port forwarding, and has done now for quite some time |
| 23:07.45 | w00t_ | </tinfoilhat> |
| 23:07.55 | julianoliver | SpeedEvil: realistically though it is pretty tricky.. surely all you can do is log MAC addresses on the router and try and later pair those up with OS and browser fingerprints on another surveilled network, later. even if the infringer's domestic ISP is in on it, it's a hard case to push.. |
| 23:08.12 | SpeedEvil | julianoliver: 3G |
| 23:08.19 | SpeedEvil | julianoliver: that was - largely - addressing |
| 23:08.26 | SpeedEvil | julianoliver: well - and GPRS |
| 23:08.41 | SpeedEvil | julianoliver: though I think anyone ripping movies over GPRS deserves them free! |
| 23:08.41 | julianoliver | right.. still waiting for the article to load. poor bandwidth. |
| 23:08.47 | julianoliver | hehe indeed! |
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| 23:12.28 | julianoliver | w00t_: have you got a link on this 'IWF'? |
| 23:13.20 | SpeedEvil | IWF - the Internet Watch Foundation. |
| 23:13.20 | SpeedEvil | Set up to deal with child porn, and of course, its remit has grown. |
| 23:13.32 | lcuk | whats the closest thing to the visual basic form editor for linux? |
| 23:13.40 | julianoliver | SpeedEvil: right |
| 23:14.42 | w00t_ | yup |
| 23:14.55 | krfkeith | anyone else have problems with their N900 not turning on? |
| 23:15.04 | w00t_ | things like wikipedia, rapidshare, and other rather huge things going through the IWF made me feel rather uncomfortable about all that |
| 23:15.22 | krfkeith | my shows the nokia logo, then the backlight goes off, and then it goes off |
| 23:15.47 | krfkeith | so I pugged it into to charge, and it turns on without the backlight, then shuts off every minute or so |
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| 23:15.58 | krfkeith | it does hav*pugged |
| 23:16.01 | mikhas | krfkeith, try removing the battery? |
| 23:16.05 | krfkeith | yeah |
| 23:16.12 | mikhas | I only had those problems after reflashing |
| 23:16.13 | krfkeith | still has the same problem |
| 23:16.20 | krfkeith | but I'll try it again |
| 23:16.34 | mikhas | perhaps leave battery outside for a bit |
| 23:16.36 | wazd_ | iiiinside my heart is breaking, my makup maybe flaking but my smile still stays on |
| 23:16.44 | mikhas | or perhaps the battery really is empty |
| 23:17.43 | krfkeith | well, does it need to charge a little before it can turn on? |
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| 23:17.49 | Stskeeps | krfkeith: yex |
| 23:17.55 | Stskeeps | bbl |
| 23:18.19 | krfkeith | Stskeeps: thanks |
| 23:18.50 | krfkeith | so is that turn off and on thing the normal cycle for charging? |
| 23:19.39 | kalikianatoli | what do you mean with turn off and on? |
| 23:20.03 | kalikianatoli | it does turn on, and stays on as far as I realize |
| 23:20.03 | krfkeith | well, it will show the nokia logo without the backlight and buzz |
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| 23:20.13 | mikhas | it takes a while |
| 23:20.26 | krfkeith | and then the screen goes balck for a few seconds and it shuts off |
| 23:20.33 | kalikianatoli | krfkeith, if you turn it on on low power, of course it will fail to boot :) |
| 23:20.42 | mikhas | give it 15-30 minutes, I never really checked how long it really takes before I can power it up once it was really flat |
| 23:20.45 | kalikianatoli | that's a natural problem |
| 23:20.48 | krfkeith | kalikianatoli: its plugged in |
| 23:21.09 | kalikianatoli | krfkeith, Still it will try to use battery, for whatever reason |
| 23:21.15 | lcuk | n900 is always plugged in |
| 23:21.24 | lcuk | its like the technoviking of mobile phones |
| 23:21.47 | javispedro | because it has 3 minutes of battery life? |
| 23:22.04 | krfkeith | kalikianatoli: well, what happens is whenever I plug in the USB cable it automatically goes into this cycle |
| 23:22.40 | kalikianatoli | ^^ that sounds odd then. if it's normally charged it should just make a "zoom" sound and charge |
| 23:22.49 | lcuk | try power from power socket |
| 23:22.55 | Arkenoi | what's microUSB advantage over miniUSB? from my POV micro sucks |
| 23:23.05 | kalikianatoli | Arkenoi, tinyness |
| 23:23.19 | Arkenoi | it is almost the same size, does not really matter |
| 23:23.32 | mikhas | more diversity, more connectors, more profit =) |
| 23:23.45 | mikhas | USB was too universal when it came out |
| 23:23.49 | krfkeith | lcuk, for some reason they didn't send me an american charger |
| 23:24.05 | krfkeith | which sucks |
| 23:24.16 | kalikianatoli | Arkenoi, for all I know it may have allowed the device to be 1mm thinner :) |
| 23:24.30 | kalikianatoli | other than that I agree |
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| 23:24.53 | Arkenoi | oh really? n900 is about the same thickness e90 is |
| 23:24.57 | Arkenoi | not thin at all |
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| 23:25.02 | Pavlov | it is pretty thick |
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| 23:25.15 | iDialekt | Feels way better than the e90 hands down |
| 23:25.22 | iDialekt | Compact, smooth. |
| 23:25.33 | Arkenoi | the keyboard is far superior on e90 |
| 23:25.34 | kalikianatoli | it's thin for a phone with a keyboard imho |
| 23:25.58 | Arkenoi | i'd prefer n900 to be clamshell also |
| 23:26.33 | kalikianatoli | you seriously want the keyboard at the side of the display? |
| 23:26.34 | Arkenoi | the only design that allows the keyboard to be the same size the screen is |
| 23:26.34 | crashanddie_ | well |
| 23:26.36 | crashanddie_ | it's not |
| 23:26.38 | crashanddie_ | so... tough? |
| 23:26.39 | krfkeith | I'd kinda like to get an e90 |
| 23:26.49 | krfkeith | honestly, I kind of like the thickness |
| 23:26.58 | CyZooNiC | I'm selling mine as soon as I get the N900 |
| 23:27.06 | krfkeith | I don't want something that breaks in half when you at it crossed eyed |
| 23:27.25 | Arkenoi | thinks i am going to sell e90 as well, but i will surely miss its keyboard ;-) |
| 23:27.41 | krfkeith | how much do e90's go for these days? |
| 23:27.53 | CyZooNiC | I love my E90 but it's time to move on. |
| 23:27.58 | mikhas | all I can say is that the n900 couldnt have been any smaller for my hands |
| 23:28.09 | CyZooNiC | I think around $200 on ebay, used |
| 23:28.16 | mikhas | I cant imagine using the keyboard on a thinner device |
| 23:28.27 | Arkenoi | i guess $300 is what i'd like and $200 is more like what i gonna get ;-) |
| 23:28.39 | CyZooNiC | :) |
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| 23:29.48 | krfkeith | ah good to know |
| 23:30.12 | krfkeith | well I wonder what the heck is wrong with my N900 |
| 23:30.36 | krfkeith | I wonder if the USB isn't really charging it, and it jsut thinks it is, thus it turning off and on |
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| 23:30.37 | mikhas | you try to charge it with a normal USB cable |
| 23:30.44 | mikhas | that's most likely the problem |
| 23:30.53 | krfkeith | oh, you need a special one? |
| 23:30.58 | mikhas | no |
| 23:31.05 | mikhas | usually it *works* |
| 23:31.11 | CyZooNiC | Are you using a laptop? |
| 23:31.13 | mikhas | but it depends also on the other end, rihgt? |
| 23:31.25 | javispedro | ha ha ha ha ha hah |
| 23:31.26 | javispedro | hahaha |
| 23:31.27 | javispedro | ha |
| 23:31.34 | krfkeith | yeah, I'm on a laptop |
| 23:31.35 | javispedro | someone just said the Palm LifeDrive could do torrents |
| 23:31.44 | crashanddie_ | krfkeith, use the power outlet cable |
| 23:31.46 | javispedro | for god's sake, the tcp stack had an accept bufer size of 1. |
| 23:32.01 | javispedro | just opening the port would have reduced your handheld to ash |
| 23:32.01 | krfkeith | crashanddie_: unfortunately I was accidently sent a UK outlet cable |
| 23:32.07 | crashanddie_ | krfkeith, USB is a lot less powerful |
| 23:32.20 | crashanddie_ | krfkeith, so basically, USB isn't providing enough power to boot the n900 |
| 23:32.24 | CyZooNiC | Some laptops do not provide enoght power via their USB ports |
| 23:32.31 | krfkeith | ah |
| 23:32.40 | crashanddie_ | krfkeith, you can leave it charging, but you're gonna burn out your battery |
| 23:32.45 | krfkeith | do you guys think a desktop might make a difference? |
| 23:32.51 | ShadowJK | burn out the battery? |
| 23:32.51 | crashanddie_ | krfkeith, not really |
| 23:32.56 | krfkeith | ok |
| 23:33.02 | crashanddie_ | yeah, charging/uncharging too fast |
| 23:33.06 | ShadowJK | eh? |
| 23:33.09 | crashanddie_ | I already killed a n900 battery like that |
| 23:33.22 | ShadowJK | good thing it has 6month warranty then I guess |
| 23:33.25 | krfkeith | shoot, did I kill mine? |
| 23:33.42 | krfkeith | I had it doing that for ~10min |
| 23:33.44 | crashanddie_ | n900 was completely empty, put it on the laptop, left it 2 days connected or so, got charged, but now it holds its charge for 6 hours |
| 23:34.05 | ShadowJK | suspects the completely empty part has more to do with it |
| 23:35.30 | krfkeith | wait |
| 23:35.55 | krfkeith | could I use the USB cable with one of those generic usb outlet chargers? |
| 23:35.57 | crashanddie_ | krfkeith, just get a blackberry charger or something |
| 23:36.04 | crashanddie_ | yeah, if it's microusb |
| 23:36.47 | wazd_ | N900 shipping delayed (4,159) - oh my |
| 23:36.48 | krfkeith | crashanddie_: no I mean one of the ones where you just plug in the usb A into it instead of a computer |
| 23:37.29 | crashanddie_ | krfkeith, i use a blackberry charger at work, nokia at home, nokia travel when I travel (mini nokia connector + adapter to microusb provided with the N900) |
| 23:37.29 | crashanddie_ | anything works really |
| 23:37.52 | crashanddie_ | krfkeith, you can even use an N810 charger with that adapter |
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| 23:38.53 | Arkenoi | does n900 still have usb host? i need a special cable to use it, right? |
| 23:39.04 | crashanddie_ | USB host is not supported ATM |
| 23:39.50 | SpeedEvil | USB host may or may not work. |
| 23:39.57 | SpeedEvil | Nobodies actually done the tests. |
| 23:40.33 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it. The proclamations that it's not supported so far seem to indicate that it's at least partially broken, but don't say that it won't work with external power. |
| 23:40.50 | SpeedEvil | I'll have an answer this week with luck - unless anyone else does. |
| 23:42.32 | javispedro | I'm pretty certain people have tried. |
| 23:42.41 | javispedro | iirc it's also a software issue. |
| 23:42.47 | krfkeith | SpeedEvil: great! |
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| 23:43.17 | krfkeith | so theoretically it *might* work with external power and software patching? |
| 23:43.38 | krfkeith | the question is how we supply the extra power |
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| 23:44.45 | krfkeith | I wonder if the headphone port could be used, atleast to power simple flashdrives |
| 23:46.11 | crashanddie_ | eh? |
| 23:46.17 | crashanddie_ | Are you on crystal meth? |
| 23:46.38 | krfkeith | I guess not :-( |
| 23:46.53 | krfkeith | do flashdrives use a lot of power? |
| 23:47.16 | crashanddie_ | more like, does the jack provide a lot of power? |
| 23:47.24 | crashanddie_ | I mean, it's a signal port, not power |
| 23:47.25 | krfkeith | I suppose not |
| 23:47.40 | crashanddie_ | Have you ever heard your momma say "Don't put your fingers in the audio jack?" |
| 23:47.46 | krfkeith | I'm not well versed in that sort of thing |
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| 23:48.07 | krfkeith | I don't think I could fit my finger into an audio jack ;-) |
| 23:48.33 | crashanddie_ | Well, try to look at it this way: The audio jack provides just enough power to move those tiny inny bitty speakers in the earbuds |
| 23:48.43 | krfkeith | yeah I know that |
| 23:48.50 | crashanddie_ | which is the tiniest of membranes mounted on a very small magnet |
| 23:48.52 | krfkeith | I just wasn't sure how much power that takes |
| 23:49.12 | crashanddie_ | we're talking milliwatts here at loudest I think |
| 23:49.22 | krfkeith | ok |
| 23:49.26 | toggles_w | what about a solar panel infront of liqtorch? |
| 23:50.00 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: I've seen no reports saying 'I connected a USB device, applied power to it, and frobbed /proc - and it diddn't work' |
| 23:50.02 | CoreFusion- | lol |
| 23:50.40 | SpeedEvil | You can probably get at least 60mW from the headphone jack. |
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| 23:50.54 | SpeedEvil | But it's going to be somewhat annoying to extract it. |
| 23:51.35 | crashanddie_ | krfkeith, these professional headphones (http://smarthomesolution.net/buy-Sell/AKG-K141M.jpg) use 80mW |
| 23:51.58 | krfkeith | ok |
| 23:52.02 | Arkenoi | and there is video out as well |
| 23:52.14 | crashanddie_ | which has no power output at all |
| 23:52.18 | SpeedEvil | The video out won't supply meaningful power. |
| 23:52.29 | SpeedEvil | a half a milliwatt or so |
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| 23:53.08 | crashanddie_ | So I think the audio jack power outlet -- even though a pretty good idea -- is dead |
| 23:53.22 | crashanddie_ | also, it would mean outputting a very specific sound or image the whole time to keep the power steady |
| 23:53.45 | Arkenoi | n900 takes looong to charge, e90 did much faster. though i am charging it via old charger and connector, maybe that does matter? |
| 23:54.08 | crashanddie_ | n900 charges in a about 2 hours for me, I think |
| 23:54.48 | Arkenoi | ah, so it really *does* matter as it already charges 3 |
| 23:54.54 | Arkenoi | switched to original one |
| 23:55.02 | CoreFusion- | sure it does... |
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| 23:56.42 | krfkeith | I thought I saw somewhere that the power output of a standard USB 2.0 port is ~100mA |
| 23:56.47 | krfkeith | is that correct? |
| 23:57.49 | SpeedEvil | krfkeith: no |
| 23:57.56 | CoreFusion- | yes it it |
| 23:57.58 | SpeedEvil | krfkeith: It's somewhat complex. Basically |
| 23:57.59 | CoreFusion- | is* |
| 23:58.02 | till- | 500mA is the specifiaction afaik |
| 23:58.08 | till- | and there is a low power mode as well |
| 23:58.20 | krfkeith | ah, I meant low-power |
| 23:58.21 | krfkeith | sorry |
| 23:58.44 | SpeedEvil | krfkeith: The device should ask for no more than 100mA before negotiation. It can negotiate for up to 500mA - but the host may not grant this if it determines it can't supply it. |
| 23:59.12 | krfkeith | SpeedEvil:got it |
| 23:59.45 | krfkeith | so I'm assuming a bog standard flashdrive should be able to run on low power-mode? |
| 23:59.47 | CoreFusion- | 150mA and 900mA in USB 3 |
| 23:59.59 | SpeedEvil | The device can say that it can use 100mA or 300mA - for example a camera may be able to browse the FS with 100mA, but take pictures with 300mA |
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