IRC log for #maemo on 20091105

00:00.05ccookeGeneralAntilles: Who are you, then?
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00:00.17GeneralAntillesccooke, I'm me.
00:00.23GeneralAntillesFounding members don't have precursors. :P
00:00.48VDVsxtexrat also needs precursor then ;)
00:01.04ccookeGeneralAntilles: so you're last year's model? :-)
00:01.57GeneralAntillesccooke, indeed. ;)
00:02.17GeneralAntillesVDVsx, probably timsamoff.
00:02.22javispedrohttps://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1537&action=diff
00:02.48javispedro^^^or how I fixed the orange colors in SDK.
00:02.56javispedrosighs
00:03.12GeneralAntillesThere, there, javispedro.
00:05.15javispedrois bored now too.
00:05.40GeneralAntillesKill some time! http://altitudegame.com/
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00:15.59pupnik_is this the Serge we know from Maemo?  Augmented Reality Tower Defense for N97  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyWVH6jkDHg
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00:19.22javispedroGeneralAntilles: not bad! though I wonder if fullscreen Java applets won't cause havoc.
00:19.45GeneralAntillesjavispedro, wish it were open source and not Java.
00:19.54GeneralAntillesAlthough trying to control it on the N900 would be hell.
00:20.18javispedrowell, gnite
00:20.23GeneralAntillesNight
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00:25.52GeneralAntilleshopes TI picks up the Mali.
00:27.49pupnik_do we expect android crapplets will run on n900?
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00:28.18GeneralAntillesIf somebody ports the framework.
00:28.23GeneralAntillesI'd just as soon hope they don't.
00:28.27GeneralAntillesDon't want an OS/2 situation. ;)
00:28.33pupnik_mhm
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01:31.10acidjazzfor hte love of all tahts holy
01:31.15acidjazzwhen is the freaking n900 going to ship already
01:34.11pupnik_when its ready
01:34.52pupnik_third week nov i think
01:35.04GAN900acidjazz, should be soon.
01:35.11pupnik_btw, get a screen protector
01:35.19pupnik_:/
01:35.43acidjazzwell how about i dont drop my phone :)
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01:43.02GAN900pupnik, what'd you do?
01:43.55pupnik_must have set it face-down onto sand and rolled it around a while
01:44.06pupnik_looks it
01:44.12GAN900lol
01:44.16pupnik_one sand piece
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01:44.32GAN900I'm hopinh Boxwave will have a protector out soon.
01:45.21pupnik_summit was fun
01:45.31pupnik_i want to do more meetups
01:45.47pupnik_code vacation
01:46.06GAN900I want to get one in Canada next year.
01:47.45pupnik_mhm
01:51.26GeneralAntillesNearly 5 hours clean!
01:53.13dmj726of what?
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01:56.05GeneralAntillesTalk.
01:56.16dmj726ah
01:57.01dmj726I just made a graph of iphone apps vs popularity
01:57.43lcuk|____
01:57.48dmj726Nothing is visibly used after the top 1%
01:58.03dmj726pretty good approximation.
01:58.10lcukbut thats ok
01:58.17lcukapp stores arent useful for everyone
01:58.38lcukthere are more vertical market apps in the world than popular ones
01:58.56dmj726Shows how the app store isn't a very good business plan for developers
01:59.09lcukthe person that makes a generic hobby spotting (birdwatching/trainwatching/mushroomhunting/fishing) engine will do well
01:59.16lcukit can be
01:59.28lcukcoughs @ fiferboy
01:59.46dmj726lcuk: that's a great n900 app idea!
01:59.57lcukyeah fiferboy already has most of his engine
02:00.03lcukand he needs to make it generic
02:00.10lcukand then it can be used for any hobby
02:00.13lcuktheres 100 apps
02:01.20lcukso 100 of the lowly apps which each have 1000 users...
02:01.20GeneralAntillesI'd like to see that graph correlated with price.
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02:16.09CutMeOwnThroatwould the average iphone user install any additional software anyway?
02:16.17CutMeOwnThroator would that be "too complicated"
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02:42.47GeneralAntillesYuck
02:42.55GeneralAntillesThe Sholes has really sharp edges on its slide.
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02:48.44samadi am confused Maemo_5_developer guide uses  csp_filter = gst_element_factory_make("ffmpegcolorspace", "csp_filter"); for camera  but https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/branches/fremantle-sdk-testing/maemo-examples/example_camera.c dont use
02:51.54samadanybody ? any help ?
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03:46.01pupnik_hilighting text is really stylus work
03:46.14pupnik_yaay for resistive screen
03:48.04GeneralAntillespupnik_, shift+arrow keys.
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03:49.03pupnik_GeneralAntilles: is that implemented somewhere in maemo5?
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03:50.06GeneralAntillesMost text areas.
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04:10.03vladovghi all
04:10.07vladovg:)
04:10.14vladovghttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27735&highlight=opengl
04:10.23vladovgtraing to install this
04:10.30vladovgbut ay am stuck
04:10.44vladovgmkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk1p3
04:11.18vladovgand its gev my a error
04:11.19pupnik_YOUTUBE on N800, N810: mytube users can append  +"&fmt=6" to searchstring and the tubes will play smoothly even while downloading
04:11.46lcukvladovg, b-man isnt around now, but hes obviously the best person to ask
04:11.46pupnik_what error vladovg
04:11.54vladovgbin/sh: mkfs.ext3: not found
04:12.26vladovgits sompting wit the IT
04:12.46pupnik_perhaps you need to install a package to get ext3
04:12.46vladovg?
04:12.51vladovghmm
04:13.19vladovgtink its comming strath wit the diablo
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04:13.35vladovggoogle it but nothing about
04:13.37pupnik_ok i look
04:15.18pupnik_mkfs -t ext3 ?
04:15.27pupnik_does that work?
04:15.49vladovgyes
04:15.56vladovgo noo
04:16.02vladovgay did not test this
04:16.08vladovgmoment
04:17.04vladovgbin/sh: mkfs: not found
04:17.08vladovg:(
04:17.36vladovgmkdosfs /dev/mmcblk0p1
04:17.36vladovgmkswap /dev/mmcblk0p2
04:17.47vladovgworcking fine
04:18.04pupnik_ok found it
04:18.07vladovgbut no luck for ext3
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04:20.30pupnik_install console-toolÃs
04:20.34pupnik_install console-tools
04:20.58vladovgjust apt-get
04:20.59vladovg?
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04:22.10pupnik_yeh
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04:22.50vladovggiv my the package is missing
04:23.38vladovgand ay have all aveilable packege sources on the web for maemo
04:23.43pupnik_http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25714&highlight=mkfs.ext3
04:24.04pupnik_use t.m.o. search also
04:25.31vladovgmm
04:25.39vladovgso ay need to install Bootmenu
04:25.55pupnik_i maybe was wrong sorry
04:26.03pupnik_that threas should help
04:26.14vladovgto get the ext3
04:26.48vladovgwrong fo console-tools
04:26.49vladovg?
04:28.24pupnik_sec
04:29.19pupnik_web is so slow!
04:29.35pupnik_stealing my time...
04:30.37Vulcanisthe web is always stealing your time
04:32.09vladovghah its some true in yo words
04:32.10vladovg:)
04:32.16pupnik_vladovg, i am waiting for a search result from http://gronmayer.com/it maemo repository search
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04:34.05vladovgay am thear wath eksakli yu search
04:35.41vladovgnothig found for ext3
04:35.49vladovgin gronmayer
04:36.30pupnik_apt-get install e2fsprogs
04:36.55pupnik_that is it, i forgot
04:37.02pupnik_cheers
04:37.57vladovgit on qole repo
04:37.59vladovg:)
04:38.33vladovgthak yu veri mach for helping
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04:41.55pupnik_the force is strong with this... qole...
04:42.02vladovghah worck like a charm now
04:42.14vladovg:)
04:42.42pupnik_tell us how ubuntu works for you
04:42.43vladovgmaibi ay will need more help lit dis ubuntu install
04:42.58pupnik_yes
04:43.21vladovgay did not anderstan from wear did ay get the boot menu
04:43.48pupnik_flasher or from a command on device
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04:45.00pupnik_and how are you communicating from chaucer's england?
04:46.05pupnik_"Whan that apryl, with his shores soute, the drought of march hath perced to the roote. and bathed every veyne in sweet liqueur..."
04:47.05wazdmornin' everyone
04:47.19vladovggood morning
04:47.29vladovgpupnik_
04:47.38pupnik_moo
04:47.53vladovgwich wai is the isiest to set up boot
04:47.55vladovgmenu
04:48.07pupnik_i only did it once.
04:48.34samadi am implementing camera for n900 to take a pic i can't understand csp_filter = gst_element_factory_make("ffmpegcolorspace", "csp_filter");
04:49.20pupnik_csp is camera streap processor?
04:49.30pupnik_csp is camera stream processor?
04:50.11samadMaemo_5_SDK user manual uses csp_filter = gst_element_factory_make("ffmpegcolorspace", "csp_filter"); but fremental sdk camera example dont use this
04:50.51samadso i am confuse
04:54.26DerSaidinthat appears to be a filter
04:54.36DerSaidinit might not be required to apply any filters
04:54.43samadwhen i initialize pipeline the following error occure GST_MESSAGE_ERROR message_str = : gstbasesrc.c(2551): gst_base_src_start (): /GstPipeline:pipeline/GstV4l2CamSrc:camera_src:
04:54.43samadCheck your filtered caps, if any
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04:57.21vladovghoooh
04:57.33vladovgdownloading the image now
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04:58.46vladovgay dont see in the Installation description how to set up the boot menu
04:59.03vladovgor its not shown ever in the page
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05:13.53samadwhat is the video source name of N900 ??
05:14.30samad"v4l2camsrc" or  ??
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05:28.39vladovgso
05:28.49vladovgay got to the
05:28.57vladovgLast we need to install sys-env-* to finish the installation of the system, there are currently two options:
05:29.25vladovgdid ay install this in diablo Xterm
05:29.28vladovg?
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05:29.51vladovgand how to boot in the Ubuntu
05:30.04vladovgafter all this
05:30.05vladovg:)
05:30.37vladovgAssuming you've chosen sys-env-x, run the following while chrooted in ubuntu
05:30.44vladovgso it is in ubuntu xterm
05:31.05vladovghmm so now ay nedd to boot up in the ubuntu
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05:31.47vladovgbut how
05:31.53vladovg?
05:35.30|Rhopes that some next update to Maemo will scrap busybox for the real thing now that we will have at least 32GB!
05:37.42vladovgsome one
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05:49.36brbrbris away: I'm busy
05:50.18brbrbris back (gone 00:00:06)
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05:54.56GeneralAntillesbemoans Comcast.
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06:00.07Macern900 in 10 days?
06:00.21Maceris that rumor true?
06:00.30Macerthey are releasing in 10 days
06:03.35tigertyou'll know the answer in ... 10 days! ;)
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06:07.31GeneralAntillesMacer, if you can catch tigert you might be able to get it out of him. :P
06:07.32tigerti am too lazy to read those powerpoints anyway ;)
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06:22.09Macerhaha
06:22.36Maceralready has his debit card ready
06:22.48Maceri will buy one a couple weeks afterwards
06:23.08Macerbecause i got a touchbook and preordering will never be an option ever again :)
06:25.53Stskeepsthat long wait?
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06:43.00RST38hChinese bureaucrats are battling each other for the right to regulate World of Warcraft. They hope to gain the political clout and the revenue that comes along with controlling a new industry with potential for explosive growth.
06:43.13RST38hHohoho
06:44.59brbrbrmove to point blank ;)
06:45.00brbrbror Eve
06:45.17brbrbrfrom weak democracy to complete dictatorship ;)
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06:51.11JaffaMorning, all
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06:55.50luke-jrbrbrbr: democracy? when did China cease to be communism?
06:57.18brbrbrwhy you not ask, what to order turned USA himself, starting exploiting concntration camps labor in 198x ? p.s. let alone "free economical zomes" eupemerism to politicians
06:57.53brbrbrsucking blood from [already overopressed]countrises is not good exmaple for other contries, IMO. and no, i can't call this DENOCRACY
06:59.05brbrbrstop blocking Veimar-Vennic fix! let Americans work for americans and communists lay in own shit
07:00.57StskeepsO_o
07:01.44vladovgcan some one show mi how to config boot menu
07:02.08vladovgto boot up ubuntu
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07:03.34RST38hdid not expect to trigger a tantrum
07:07.23luke-jrbrbrbr: wtf are you talking about?
07:07.35luke-jrAmerica was never a democracy, either.
07:08.14brbrbrAMerica was pawn of same circles , whose made USSR and some other "events"
07:08.30brbrbrpoint is there is no such thing as "democracy"
07:08.40brbrbrits like "good" and "Evil" concept
07:08.50brbrbrand work same way. in people's hearts
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07:08.58brbrbrand exploited too. sadly
07:09.31Stskeepsgets more coffee
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07:12.22Stskeepsglances at laptops to buy
07:13.48Stskeepslenovo still decent quality? :P
07:14.19RST38hNooooo
07:14.22RST38hAVOID.
07:14.39luke-jrLOL
07:15.02Stskeepswell my wife's laptop has been through so much abuse :P
07:15.17StskeepsRST38h: what would you recommend then?
07:15.33Stskeepsand no, not a nokia booklet.
07:15.34Stskeeps:P
07:15.38luke-jrStskeeps: not a N900?
07:15.51luke-jrsee, even you agree the N900 does not satisfy what is needed!
07:15.53Stskeepsi have a loaner n900 and will buy one
07:16.18Stskeepsluke-jr: i need to do a lot of cross-compilation and n900 isn't entirely good for that :P
07:17.04luke-jrStskeeps: ssh somewhere
07:17.07RST38hSts: I am buying Toshiba Porteges
07:17.39RST38hSts: They are pretty decent, and the hardware is dumb enough to use generic drivers
07:17.47Stskeepsluke-jr: when dealing with 400+ mb images to transfer, sshing isn't an option..
07:17.51RST38hSts: People say HP is ok, although not all models
07:18.51Stskeepsyeah but with a lot of crapware on it..
07:18.59Stskeepsnot that i'm not going to install linux anyway
07:19.14RST38hSts: They all come with crapware, the question is whether you can remove it or not
07:19.15luke-jrStskeeps: rsync while it builds
07:19.40RST38hSts: Lenovo's crapware cannot be easily removed as you won't be able to use some of the hardware if you remove it
07:20.05Stskeepsdell is something i want to avoid though.. i am sure it's mishandling of the fan made me unable to have children
07:20.07RST38hSts: Toshibas can be cleaned up with few ill effects, usually.
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07:20.53Stskeepsbasically i just need a workhorse that sits in a corner and has usb keyboard, mouse and screen connected :P
07:20.54dmj7261Linux is the ultimate anti-crapware
07:21.08RST38hSts: What is your target size/weight?
07:21.26Stskeepsweight is not too important.. less than 4 kg :P
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07:21.52luke-jrStskeeps: literally?
07:22.03RST38hSts: Maybe go for a Shuttle?
07:22.23StskeepsRST38h: that box pc thing? no, need to take it travelling :P
07:22.28RST38hok
07:22.43Stskeepsponders mbp.. :P
07:22.49RST38hDell XPS looks usable
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07:23.39RST38hSony has got the same problems with crapware as Lenovo, but may have got a bit better now, not sure.
07:23.40GeneralAntillesStskeeps, ritzy. :P
07:23.58GeneralAntillesStskeeps, but not worth it unless you're actually going to run OS X.
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07:27.53vladovgcd /etc/bootmenu.d
07:28.06vladovgand ay am stuck
07:28.16vladovgITEM_NAME="Jaunty on internal card, p3"
07:28.16vladovgITEM_ID="Jaunty on internal, p3"
07:28.16vladovgITEM_DEVICE="mmcblk0p3"
07:28.16vladovgITEM_MODULES="mbcache jbd ext3"
07:28.16vladovgITEM_FSTYPE="ext3"
07:28.17vladovgITEM_FSOPTIONS="noatime,ro"
07:28.19vladovgITEM_LINUXRC="linuxrc"
07:28.39vladovghow to put all this in the directori
07:28.49Stskeepsmake a file jaunty.item
07:28.54Stskeepsand put that in there
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07:29.41Stskeepshm, guess it would be handy to have a machine with SD reader
07:29.55vladovghow to mace the file
07:30.09vladovgay am a big noob to unix
07:30.10Stskeepsvi? :P
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07:36.00vladovgmy ubunto sits on external sd
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07:36.33vladovgdid ay have to change the Jaunty on internal card, p3
07:36.47Stskeepsinstead of mmcblk0 write ${EXT_CARD}
07:36.48vladovgto Jaunty on external card, p3
07:36.57vladovgok
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07:38.23vladovgbut to live the p3 (partision3)
07:38.24vladovg?
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07:42.08vladovgand how to save the file
07:42.11vladovg?
07:42.51Stskeeps:w
07:42.59vladovg:)
07:43.09vladovgits not funni
07:43.11vladovg:)
07:43.27Stskeepsi'm not kidding
07:43.29Stskeepsescape, :w
07:43.34Stskeeps:wq
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07:44.18Stskeepsooh. a shop that allows me to search for serial port ability
07:44.20Stskeepsi'm sold
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07:49.27RST38hheh
07:49.37RST38hAre there any laptops with rs232 left?
07:50.08Stskeepsseemingily
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07:53.27pupnik_RST38h: do you dislike lenovo compared to ibm thinkpads, or compared to competitor notebooks?
07:54.02RST38hpupnik: Both
07:54.37RST38hpupnik: I disliked IBM Thinkpads for ugly, heavy design and low quality screens, but they were at least sturdy and reliable
07:55.04RST38hpupnik: Lenovo is more or less the same design, just cost-cut by a bunch of Chinese
07:55.08samadwhat is the video source name VIDEO_SRC of N900 ? any help ?
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07:55.37RST38hpupnik: It is no longer sturdy or reliable, made of cheap plastic now, etc
07:56.09johnxRST38h, some are for sure. they still make decent one though
07:56.50RST38hjohnx: I have seen better and worse ones, but in general they look like those chinese "N95s" and "N900s" to me
07:56.52pupnik_samad the v4l device name?
07:57.45samadyes
07:57.52pupnik_i havent felt enough laptios but most feel like toys compared to thinkpads
07:58.16johnxRST38h, I couldn't care less what they look like. the reality is the x series at least is still reliable and comes with an awesome keyboard
07:58.18RST38hoold thinkpads, yes
07:58.21pupnik_i could google for yiu, or wat a sandwich
07:58.25RST38hnew thinkpads are not the same
07:58.25pupnik_eat
07:58.47RST38hjohnx: I have to deal with T series at work. And it sucks.
07:59.07johnxRST38h, and I've gotten some good hands on time with the x200 and I'm *sold*
07:59.09RST38hjohnx: I am almost ready to drop mine to the floor, just to get HP as replacement
07:59.37johnxbut yeah, the difference between ibm's handling of the thinkpad line was that they refused to have a "budget" model
07:59.46johnxbut lenovo is putting together a whole spectrum
07:59.49pupnik_hp/compaq tc4200 / 4400 look interesting against x41t / x61t
08:00.16RST38hjohnx: Not buying any of 'em
08:00.23RST38his used to Porteges now
08:00.30johnxRST38h, I'm not selling you one :)
08:01.06johnxif I'm selling you one you'll see the little "the following IRC message is a paid advertisement for Lenovo (R) ThinkPads" message scroll by
08:01.07pupnik_anybody here used several x-series thinkpads?
08:01.26pupnik_i heat x6? with IPS display is nice
08:01.32pupnik_hear
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08:04.49vladovgafter mace the jaunty and editet
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08:56.23javispedroheya
08:56.41javispedrothere's a rumour now about it being released in less than 10 days... all fansites are exploding in craze and agony
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08:57.15Stskeeps10..9..8...7...6..5..4..3..2...1..boom
08:57.16Stskeeps:P
08:58.10javispedroyes...
08:58.19javispedroless time for something 3d capable!
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08:58.32javispedroand to think I hoped the TI 3D drivers would come first :(
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09:00.26javispedrohey, the Hermes logo is cool.
09:00.47javispedrothere's that quite noticeable missing alpha component in the HildonButtons though :(
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09:01.43pupnik_yes
09:02.02pupnik_ui guideline strikes?
09:02.52javispedroI guess more like a limitation of sapwood...
09:02.58javispedro(but I dunno)
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09:03.32javispedromaybe the HildonAwesomeButtons are transparent. Either way I think they befit the interface better.
09:03.55pupnik_i think the whole shebang came together nice for team maemo, and congratulations are in order.
09:04.46pupnik_javispedro - i know why the caged bird sings ;)
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09:05.00javispedro:)
09:05.42javispedropupnik_: how's your loan? still bricked?
09:05.45johnxmmm...qt means no more sapwood, doesn't it? :D
09:06.41javispedrojonhx: unless they use QGtkStyle :evil:
09:07.22johnxNoooooooo.... *does the luke skywalker fall-off-the-ledge thing*
09:07.25pupnik_can i put 3.9v DC to battery for a couple hours?
09:07.33pupnik_lol
09:07.44javispedrohehe
09:07.56johnxpupnik_, what's put to it during charging?
09:08.22pupnik_dont know - apparently mine isnt getting a charge now
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09:09.07johnxcharging at a fixed voltage will probably kill it in a fiery way
09:09.13pupnik_sad... if a computer needs its OS running to charge its battery
09:09.18pupnik_ok
09:09.28johnxagreed\
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09:10.08javispedropupnik_: pity :(
09:10.08pupnik_maybe a drm feature?
09:10.29johnxahaha...prevents you from using unauthorized electrons
09:10.56javispedroand charging in authorized countries.
09:10.58pupnik_:)  no.  do-not-charge-lockout
09:11.24johnxjavispedro, eh. they already screwed up there by enabling charge from usb
09:11.26javispedrosmells business plan
09:11.55pupnik_smells *something*
09:12.31pupnik_ah yes.  i love the smell of hot rampant speculation in the morning!
09:12.47pupnik_inhales deeply
09:12.48johnxyeah it goes like this: controlling charging through software is cheaper than having a dedicated hardware component
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09:15.25pupnik_are nokia replacement batteries delivered with charge?  i can order a spare BL-5J.
09:15.36johnxthey have some charge usually
09:15.42johnxmaybe 40%
09:15.54pupnik_roger
09:16.41javispedroor probably
09:16.47javispedroyou can take it to a nokia store and have it charged
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09:17.01pupnik_wsis the cell radio modulated by software also?
09:17.10pupnik_how
09:17.32pupnik_i dont usually see chargers for such batteries
09:17.36pupnik_but good call
09:17.39javispedrothere are I'm sure
09:17.46javispedrobut I guess it depends on the mood of the clerk
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09:18.34johnxsleeps
09:18.53javispedroI guess this marks the end of the night shift
09:18.54javispedro::)
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09:34.06javispedrook, according to lwn, the n900' baseband does not use Hayes commands
09:34.09javispedros/ok/oh
09:34.59Stskeepsno, but check cellmo-icp82-headers
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09:59.37tekojopupnik_ what's the battery story?
10:01.51pupnik_i think it doesnt charge
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10:09.26wazdyou wouldn't fucking beleive it
10:09.31wazdNo way
10:09.53wazdIt's a joke
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10:10.23Stskeepsmm?
10:11.02anvith3Any body here worked on flite
10:11.30Stskeepswazd: army playing you again?
10:13.51wazdI came to take my release blank to send it to passport bureau and they said "you know, we think that those doctor summaries bout your health are fake and we need to investigate it"
10:14.07anvith3Flite is working on my n810  but there's a lag. Is there any text to speech voice syntesizer?
10:14.48Stskeepswazd: russia is truely fucked up..
10:14.51wazdI just have no words to comment it
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10:14.53anvith3The lag is a good 5 seconds sometimes
10:16.12Stskeepswazd: you should have asked on what basis
10:16.27Stskeepsand threatened to sue them :P
10:16.32wazdI asked
10:16.39wazdAnd threatened
10:17.40wazdThe case is: 4 years stomatology doctor at the army dep was writing that I'm ok
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10:18.21wazdAnd now, after my pressure and independent analysis he wroteathat I'm not
10:19.09wazdAnd they said that this is actually my problem, not theirs
10:19.32Stskeepsi would sue at this point :P
10:19.37wazdBitches
10:20.27wazdAfter I said that I'm gonn sue them they told that I'm inadequate and they will call police and psycho
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10:20.57Stskeepspsycho? nothing insane in wanting to get out of the army :P
10:21.03wazdI said that I just passed psycho - I'm ok)
10:21.21wazdHe threatened that it can be changed
10:22.04wazdNow I'm waiting for my doctor to get a copy of my diagnosis to be safe
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10:23.17wazdBut it's the most ridiculous fuck up I've EVER faced on this planet
10:24.16pupnik_anvith3: that is longer than my delay on 770
10:24.52pupnik_flite on 770 managed short three word bursts with < 1 second delay
10:25.30Stskeepswazd: so if you suddenly disappear it's cos they took you to bootcamp?
10:25.33pupnik_what length input text?
10:26.03anvith3For one or 2 words it gave about 2 sec
10:26.19anvith3Longer sentence takes longer
10:26.49pupnik_wazd, that is the nature of government
10:26.58wazdStskeeps: more probably I've blown up their office with expllosive belt
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10:27.10anvith3I installed the flite-multi.deb from penguin*'s website
10:27.19RST38hwazd: AGAIN?
10:27.20anvith3I dont remember his full id
10:27.31RST38hNoooo not again?
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10:27.37pupnik_be smart wazd
10:27.46wazdRST38h: yes, yes :D
10:28.01pupnik_penguinbaut?
10:28.04pupnik_bait
10:28.07anvith3Yes
10:28.13anvith3:)
10:28.45anvith3Is there any other package that is optimized
10:28.57pupnik_do you have browser open?
10:29.04pupnik_memory full?
10:29.08anvith3I have an idea of developing a text to sppech app
10:29.14anvith3No
10:29.26anvith3Memory i'll have to chech
10:29.27pupnik_i look here
10:29.29anvith3Check
10:29.39wazdRST38h: dunno what to do, laugh or cry
10:29.41anvith3How do i do that?
10:29.56anvith3Check the memory i mean
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10:30.30Stskeepswazd: you can write a book about it
10:30.30pupnik_free or top
10:31.03wazdStskeeps: yeah, I have exactly same feeling bout it))
10:31.33wazdBut it would be in science fiction category
10:31.36pupnik_i do not have a flite build here.  another user wanted faster text to speech. his company made some custom health care application
10:31.56anvith3Hmmm
10:31.59wazdCause it's just impossible to happen in the real life
10:32.23anvith3Do u remember who that was
10:32.39tekojopupnik_ does the device boot up if connected to charger?
10:32.47anvith3How do u check the memory in use and free memory?
10:32.51pupnik_anvith3: problem is the sentence parser needs to read whole sentence to decide how to speak the text, and i think it builds the whold output at once
10:33.01anvith3Yes
10:33.04wazdIt should be started with bohemian rhapsody initial words
10:33.07pupnik_tekojo: tries to then hangs
10:33.08anvith3That much i understood
10:33.34pupnik_so öaybe if you can handle robot volice...
10:33.47pupnik_it can read phoneme-by-phoneme
10:34.00wazdIs this the real life, is this just fantasy, caught in a landslide and no escape from reality
10:34.19pupnik_they will not let me go!
10:34.24pupnik_no! no! no!
10:34.35wazdYeah yeah))
10:35.04RST38hwazd: Get a lawyer.
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10:35.21wazdJust gotta get out, just gotta get right out of here :D
10:35.28pupnik_and the best part wazd - those jerks actually have people worshipping them.   lol
10:35.48RST38hwazd: Although I guess that bringing them a shitload of paper showing that they have previously cleared you, with huge stamp marks, will do the trick
10:36.16RST38hThey may not believe the doctors, but they have to believe their own paperwork
10:36.42wazdI aleady shown em THEIR paperwork
10:36.56anvith3Pupnik_ how do i check the memory usage.
10:37.03wazdAnd they don't beleive it
10:37.29Stskeepswazd: try to hit another guy in the office when the irritating one isn't there? :P
10:37.30RST38hwazd: Ask them to call whoever this paperwork originated from
10:37.41RST38hStskeeps <-- talks sense
10:39.02wazdI just... meh
10:39.02wazd~ping
10:39.03infobot~pong
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10:39.49wazdthere's no other guy
10:40.11wazdNo sure if he's a guy, I think he's a fag
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10:44.13StskeepsRST38h: best way around bureaucracy is grabbing someone nicer
10:44.14Stskeeps:P
10:44.19RST38hwazd: "...in the bad sense of the word"
10:46.37w00twazd: if i were you, i'd go postal
10:46.41w00tshoot some people, etc.
10:50.57wazdDamn, I'm so tired
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10:54.42wazdThe better you are in your life, the worse shit you get in return
10:55.11mgedminreverse karma
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10:56.17Stskeepswazd: it's like with the n900. pain while you wait, excellent when you get it
10:56.18Stskeeps:P
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10:56.38wazdHope in the end I'll get my answers
10:56.49wazdHah)
10:57.19wazdPain while you wait, pain when you don't get it -that's my case :D
10:57.54w00t^ :P
10:58.41wazdOk, I'm outta hotspot and my phone's dead, so later guys
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11:08.21ccookeMorning, all
11:09.34mgedminN900 alarms have a certain flaw:
11:09.52mgedminwhen the sound sounds and the dialog pops up, if you ignore it for a few minutes, you're golden
11:09.53auenfthey wake you up?
11:10.04mgedminthe alarm won't be repeated in the 10-minute snooze period
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11:10.38mgedminwhen you finally wake up at 10 am, you'll see the alarm dialog on the n900 still displaying 7:21 or something like that, and patiently waiting for you to press either 'snooze' or 'stop'
11:11.02ShadowJKha
11:11.22auenfgoto bed earlier?
11:11.55ShadowJKdoesn't help :)
11:12.07pupnik_N900 push:  Fire-ant garage alarm assistant for N900.
11:12.24pupnik_After 3rd snooze, garage opens and fire-ants come out
11:12.52pupnik_With fire-alarm sound effect to irritate them.
11:13.40pupnik_someday i will have an idea so far off the edge of 'bad' it will wrap around to 'good'
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11:23.41RST38hWow! Bug #5343 has been fixed!
11:23.42povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5343 "More..." applications launcher does't allow scrolling
11:24.10mgedminit's been fixed for ages, I understand, but we won't see the fix for a week yet
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11:26.03_|Nix|_Hey! I'm really frustrated. I've just finished setting up scratchbox and the SDK using the installer scripts, and now on the FREMANTLE_X86 target I get "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set" for everything.
11:26.13_|Nix|_WTF?! Of course it's not set! It's X86!
11:26.16_|Nix|_I don't get it.
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11:26.24_|Nix|_This has been killing me all day!
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11:28.22Stskeepswhat OS?
11:28.44RST38hmgedmin: Not true. It has been fixed during WW44
11:29.12RST38hNix: You may want to set it explicitely
11:30.11StskeepsRST38h: build hildon-desktop from gitorious and you have it
11:30.12Stskeepsi think
11:30.47RST38hSts" or upgrade to the latest version from the sdk repo?
11:31.04Stskeepsthey don't update sdk repo yet afaik
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11:31.20RST38hKhertan reported a few updates there
11:31.26_|Nix|_RST38h: Set it to what? It doesn't need CPU transparency. It's x86. That's what I find so frustrating.
11:31.51RST38hNix: I dunno muchabout sb1 but it probably has some neutral setting for that
11:31.55Stskeepsis it just me or is repository.* down? :P
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11:32.43StskeepsRST38h: maybe. but gitorious hildon-desktop building is not a bad bet either
11:32.44Stskeeps:P
11:34.01_|Nix|_RST38h: I've tried that. can't find any.
11:34.08_|Nix|_This is really frustrating ...
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11:34.15RST38hno shit...
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11:43.55zaheer_when building a package
11:44.01zaheer_<PROTECTED>
11:44.01zaheer_test -x debian/rules
11:44.07zaheer_make: *** [testdir] Error 1
11:44.11zaheer_how do i debug that?
11:44.20zaheer_debian/rules exists
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11:45.00RST38hrun make with a verbose key?
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11:47.42zaheer_rules includes /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/gnome.mk
11:47.51zaheer_but that doesn't exist in my scratchbox
11:48.16zaheer_actually i lie
11:48.19zaheer_it does
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11:49.58zaheer_well i'm running dpkg-buildpackage not make
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11:50.34RST38hit runs make at some point
11:52.44zaheer_chmod a+x debian/rules i think is the key
11:53.36zaheer_awesome now it is building :)
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12:06.45zaheer_just sent gstreamer0.10-plugins-ffmpeg to the autobuilder :)
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12:09.13bilboed-pizaheer_, autobuilder ? :)
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12:09.27zaheer_bilboed-pi, maemo autobuilder
12:09.45zaheer_bilboed-pi, if it succeeds it'll be in extras-devel
12:09.54bilboed-pineat
12:10.12zaheer_should quieten down people that want vlc because it plays everything :)
12:10.28range:)
12:10.44rangeStupid thread on tmo, though.
12:11.07zaheer_bilboed-pi, do you know if our default configure flags turn off optimisations on gst-ffmpeg?
12:11.26zaheer_it'd be nice to enable the arm neon ones for maemo if they do..
12:12.01zaheer_range, yah people on both sides of the argument there a little over-enthusiastic :)
12:12.01bilboed-pizaheer_, it shouldn't, no
12:12.07zaheer_bilboed-pi, cool
12:12.48zaheer_i removed debian's thing for using system ffmpeg however
12:12.55bilboed-pizaheer_, but you might want to bump up to a more recent ffmpeg revision for neon optimisations
12:14.06zaheer_bilboed-pi, yah this build is just so far to check if i can actually modify a debian pkg and push into maemo, then i investigate the optimisation possibilities...i used stock 0.10.9 gst-ffmpeg for this
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12:17.24aolI need to compile qt to N900 any pointers where to start?
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12:19.32Andy80hi all
12:19.50zaheer_aol, look at qt.gitorious.org
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12:20.06mihuI'm using latest Maemo SDK 5.0. I wanted to look at package hildon-thumbnail and noticed that it used libplayback. I tried "apt-get source libplayback-1-0" but it says "Unable to find a source package for libplayback". http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-binaries_explicit_armel/libplayback-1-0/0.5-21+0m5 shows that it's in the "Nokia binaries" repo. There are no sources for this repo, or?
12:20.10Andy80is there any way to automatically add a counter of elements present in a wiki table? in particular it would be useful here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend
12:20.31Stskeepsmihu: correct, closed source
12:21.17mihuStskeeps: That's bad. I'm fiddling with the gstreamer installation on my N900 and things like gst-video-thumbnailerd always come into my way.
12:22.05Andy80isn't gstreamer already installed on N900?
12:23.17VDVsxAndy80, like 1- name , 2 -name ?
12:23.17mihuAndy80: It is. But I'm porting some GStreamer based application and play around with the system a little bit. On the lowlevel side.
12:24.00aolzaheer_: ok, so I just clone the repository, and then just compile?
12:24.06Stskeepsmihu: you are perfectly allowed to use libplayback-dev and libplayback though
12:24.12Stskeepsit's in the nokia-binaries repo
12:24.22zaheer_aol, you probably want to compile a branch for fremantle
12:24.37aolhm true
12:25.23Andy80Andy80: yes... just to have an automatic sum of people who add their name to the list
12:25.32mihuStskeeps: I wanted to have a look how libplayback interacts with gstreamer and if this is affected by the changes I do to my GStreamer installation.
12:25.35VDVsxAndy80, put # in each entry
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12:26.01mihuStskeeps: I don't plan to use it.
12:26.21VDVsx~qt
12:26.22infobotsomebody said qt was TrollTech's QT library, available at http://www.trolltech.com
12:26.30Stskeepsmihu: make a good argument for open sourcing it and submit a bug.. help us prioritise
12:26.36VDVsx~qt-maemo
12:26.42Andy80VDVsx: uhm... not working... it just write #
12:27.00VDVsxinfobot, Alzheimer again ? :P
12:27.14VDVsxAndy80, let me try :)
12:27.15mgedminmy tea!
12:27.39Andy80VDVsx: ok :)
12:28.01Andy80VDVsx: just do one, if you don't have time, I'll finish the rest :)
12:28.08mgedminthanks VDVsx for the reminder
12:32.36VDVsxAndy80, wow, what a mixture of elements in that table :P not working due to the table proprieties, I guess
12:33.35zaheer_when is the maemo site/infra going to be upgraded again?
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12:33.53Andy80VDVsx: ok, it doesn't matter, just a tentative :)
12:34.19Andy80zaheer_: you mean midgard or servers?
12:34.28zaheer_servers
12:34.47zaheer_webpages that query the builder take hours to load :)
12:34.58Andy80I did read something about "november/december" but I really don't have any confirmation
12:35.07Andy80anyway it's a known issue
12:35.34VDVsxAndy80, well, try to figure out comparing to the summit agenda, there's a example the LT's row ;)
12:35.40zaheer_for anyone in london without an N900: NokiaFlagshipUK Pssst.. Have you heard? We've popped a few N900's under the counter at the Flagship Store. Come & have a play http://bit.ly/1VfR2c
12:37.34Stskeepsw00t: ^
12:37.37aolhm how do I now compile the FREMANTLE branch of qt
12:38.23aolI'm able to start compiling with ./configure but I dont want to continue unless I'm sure I'm getting what I want first :)
12:38.29RST38hWhere do I get Maemo5 themes at the moment?
12:38.48VDVsxaol, http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt
12:39.08aolah, thanks!
12:39.25lardman"morning"
12:39.44lcukzaheer_, facelink comes up blank!
12:39.53lcukfacebook link rather
12:40.03lcukmornin lardman
12:40.38VDVsxaol, in case you need more help, the folks in #qt-maemo are willing to help you, ehehhe
12:40.40lardmanwhat's the standard way to release a debian package from an SVN repo? Create a tag/branch with the correct dir name and package that? or extract the head and do the packaging manually outside the tree? etc.?
12:41.00aolVDVsx: or not ? :)
12:41.04mgedminbtw when microb fails to load a page due to connectivty issues, its menu has no 'reload' button and I have tap the address bar, slide out the kbd, and press enter
12:41.14VDVsxaol, nah ;)
12:42.17zaheer_lcuk, ouch let me fix it
12:42.33w00tlooks
12:42.50lcukwhich store is it? the regent street one?
12:42.55lcukhey w00t
12:43.01w00theya
12:43.05w00tsays so, yes
12:43.21w00twonders if he can arrange to get to london tomorrow.
12:44.07zaheer_lcuk, yep regent street one
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12:44.47zaheer_http://www.new.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=184564843816&id=66886927437
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12:44.53zaheer_is the link it expands to
12:44.55VDVsxzaheer_, is that the one near to the apple store ? :)
12:45.02zaheer_VDVsx, yep
12:45.17zaheer_also lucasr mentioned lhr store has one in store too
12:45.26zaheer_lhr t5 that is
12:45.37zaheer_for anyone travelling out of lhr t5
12:47.24lcuklardman, what do you mean
12:47.34lcukthe packaging is normally just a debian folder isnt it
12:47.50RST38h"Why You Should Think Twice Before Dating An iPhone User" (C)Gizmodo
12:47.53lardmanthe dir needs to have the right name afaik, e.g. mbarcode-0.0.1
12:48.12lcukzaheer_, have you also shoved a couple of Rihannas under the desk too?
12:49.02zaheer_lcuk, no did i paste wrong link again? :)
12:49.04lcuklardman, dpkg-buildpackage gives the name as a warning, what do you mean by release tho, actually making a garage release directly from it or just for you to build package with locally
12:49.10lcuklol zaheer_ no
12:49.21lcukbut make sure Rihanna gets to play too
12:49.39zaheer_disclaimer: i don't work for nokia or any of their retail stores :P
12:49.49VDVsxlcuk, so, there's also a Nokia flagship store in Manchester ? :P
12:50.06w00tlcuk: I was just managing to totally misinterpret that as "make sure Rihanna gets played with too"
12:50.18lardmanlcuk: Garage release/extras-devel
12:50.21w00tyou can imagine the resulting confusion.
12:50.29RST38hYahoooooo! Bug #6039 has been fixed in Git!
12:50.30povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6039 Hanging application menu requires system reboot
12:51.06lcukVDVsx, yes i know!
12:51.07zaheer_RST38h, yes i look forward to the release so i can get rid of the most annoying bug on my n900
12:51.18VDVsxlcuk, there's ? wow
12:51.41lardmanis hopeful that the tap/type through the app just after you open it will be fixed soon too
12:51.43lcukcant wait for barcamp manchester this weekend
12:51.57RST38hVDVsx: If we are lucky, they may fix the PA bug! =)
12:52.14lardmanwhat's barcamp?
12:52.20mgedminirritation #17: tap a text field, then slide open keyboard --> on screen you see the vkb showing up then disappearing
12:52.24lcukthere are a couple of tickets available if people wanna come
12:52.34lcuklardman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp
12:52.38lcukan unconference
12:52.40RST38hmgedmin: Ah don't be a wikipedian
12:52.41mgedminthe lag makes it an irritation
12:52.48VDVsxRST38h, seems that they are in bugfixing mode now :)
12:52.54lcukattendee assigned couple of days of random talks
12:52.59lardmanlcuk: does it have a topic?
12:53.04RST38hmgedmin: Let them fix the language switch on the physical keyboard first
12:53.05lcukusers make the topic
12:53.15mgedminI wish I had a language I could switch to ...
12:53.17lcukpeople from different backgrounds choose topics
12:53.24lcukput em on a big wall and talk about stuff
12:53.35RST38hVDVsx: Have been for more than a week judging from the number of int-* bugs IDs attached to public trackers
12:53.35lardmanlcuk: so I could head over and chat to people about the finer details of finite difference equation modelling using CUDA?
12:53.39lcuksome very different ones when i went to london
12:53.49lcukif you wanted yeah
12:53.58lcukand join in with other things
12:54.10lardmanbut would there be anyone who knows about it was what I'm asking...
12:54.10RST38hmgedmin: Well, if Lithuanian fails you, you can always default to Russian
12:54.15RST38hsmiles sadistically =)
12:54.19lardmanso there is a general topic - Linux programming, etc
12:54.20lcukat the london one, someone spoke about using bbc micro as a church organ!
12:54.31lardmanoh right
12:54.34lcuktech people mostly
12:54.37RST38hmgedmin: Seriously though, no specific Lithuanian keyboard layout?
12:54.39lcukhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33556
12:54.39lardmanbut computer related then?
12:55.07mgedminRST38h, worse: in older OSes I could at least enter ąčęėįšųūž with the vkb;in Maemo 5 there's no way at all to input them
12:55.19mgedminalso, they removed support for windows-1257, which means I cannot read 25% of my email
12:55.20zaheer_gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg 0.10.9-1 OK
12:55.20lardmanah yes, I remember reading that thread now
12:55.23lcukat the IBM one, yeah it was, i dunno about this one
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12:55.38lcukcome on up for the day
12:56.01lardmanno time I'm afraid
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12:56.11RST38hmgedmin: afaik keyboard layouts can be easily added, there is a sample package in extras too
12:56.17mgedminRST38h, woot!
12:56.23mgedminbut I don't believe you :)
12:56.27derfI'd rather have a Compose key.
12:56.43mgedminI think timeless discovered that the names of the layouts are hardcoded in some .so file
12:56.48RST38hderf: I guess the top left key can be considered a compose key.
12:56.59RST38hderf: And I think there is even a bug for that :)
12:57.00mgedminit actually is Multi_key in the xkb file
12:57.11RST38hmgedmin: Oh.
12:57.13timeless_mbplooks up
12:57.33timeless_mbpthe names are definitely hardcoded in a .so file
12:58.01timeless_mbpi didn't check the sources to see if it has extensibility points
12:58.01RST38hconsiders the best way to hack in the win1257 support
12:58.08zaheer_ukeyboard added arabic layout
12:58.23timeless_mbpzaheer_: as a soft layout or hard layout?
12:58.41zaheer_soft
12:58.43RST38hmgedmin: You know, the easiest way would probably be by making the mail server convert it into utf8
12:58.45timeless_mbpwe're talking about hard
12:58.50zaheer_sorry
12:58.53timeless_mbpand if mgedmin wasn't clear about that, i'm sorry
12:58.56zaheer_i'll go back to sleep :)
12:59.01timeless_mbpit's 5am here
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13:01.07mgedminI want three things actually: hw keyboard layout for lt, dead keys for accents used in lithuanian in the fn+ctrl popup, and vkb layout for the fullscreen vkb
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13:01.28serenityhi
13:01.51serenityis there a wikipage about writing widgets?
13:01.53RST38hvkb layout should be doable right away
13:02.16mgedmincool
13:02.26RST38hA moment, let me check the package name
13:02.32VDVsxserenity, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide
13:02.45mgedminshame that I don't actually like the vkb...
13:02.55RST38hWell, something is better than nothing
13:03.01mgedmintrue
13:03.10serenityah, thanks VDVsx
13:03.10RST38hThe best vkb would be a semitransparent one
13:03.16RST38hBut not gonna happen any time soon
13:03.19mgedminany Conboy developers ever played with the vkb?  it's not pretty
13:03.25mgedminbullets interfere in interesting ways
13:04.57RST38hmgedmin: I am getting impression that win1257 can be accommodate by a locale
13:05.13mgedminRST38h, iconv doesn't support it
13:05.21mgedminwhich means modest cannot display emails using it
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13:05.42mgedminand if the emails in question use base64, all I see is [?] instead of the body
13:05.56RST38hOk, let us check the kbd first...
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13:06.18RST38hmgedmin: http://maemo.org/packages/view/ukeyboard/ and http://maemo.org/packages/view/ukbdcreator/
13:06.42RST38hmgedmin: Notice that it covers BOTH virtual and physical keyboards.
13:06.47mgedminnice
13:07.01timeless_mbpRST38h: does it actually result in an extra row in the hg keyboard picker?
13:07.02RST38hNow, gotta find how charmaps are added, can't believe iconv is not extendable
13:07.02mgedminI always knew that if I was lazy, somebody else would solve my problems
13:07.18timeless_mbpiconv mostly sucks
13:07.25timeless_mbpbut in some cases it's extensible
13:07.34mgedminthere was once more-gconv-modules which kinda used to extend iconv, if you set one environment variable
13:07.36timeless_mbpoften by just building w/ more modules and shipping the missing ones
13:07.39mgedminit doesn't appear to work on maemo 5
13:07.43timeless_mbpheh
13:08.20mgedminwhat would be needed: more .so files in /usr/lib/gconv/, and some modification of /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules
13:08.32RST38hlibiconv 1.9 supports win1257
13:09.23mgedminhey, why can't I ssh to my n900 any more?
13:09.40timeless_mbpdid its ip change? :)
13:10.02mgedmindunno, I use mdns
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13:11.25mgedminRST38h, what's libiconv?
13:11.30RST38hmgedmin: You know, given the list of encodings supported by iconv 2.5, you can probably file a bug for 1257 support
13:11.38RST38hA library iconv is based on
13:11.43mgedminiconv is part of libc
13:11.53RST38hmgedmin: Not on FreeBSD :)
13:11.59mgedminwell, gconv is the implementation of iconv, shipped as part of glibc, and used in all linux distros, including maemo
13:12.06mgedminit supports cp1252 and a bazillion other encodings
13:12.15mgedminit's just disabled in maemo 5 for some reason
13:12.24mgedminI've already filed a bug, a few weeks ago
13:12.31timeless_mbpthe reason we disable stuff
13:12.35RST38hmgedmin: There is no reason not to resolve it
13:12.36timeless_mbpis because it eats space
13:12.42timeless_mbpand no one can defend shipping it
13:12.43mgedminbug 5303
13:12.45povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5303 Enable cp1257 support in iconv
13:12.50RST38hmgedmin: 1251-1254 are al supported why not 1257?
13:13.02timeless_mbpthe browser team looked at iconv, found the impl on maemo incredibly insufficient, and went back to nice and safe uconv
13:13.07timeless_mbp(gecko's converter)
13:13.28mgedmintimeless_mbp, ooh, I'm intrigued
13:13.38timeless_mbpremember that code page conversions are basically incredibly huge wastes of space
13:13.40mgedmincan you tell us more?
13:13.50timeless_mbpthey're basically data blobs
13:13.59timeless_mbpand if the target market didn't seem to have any need for it
13:14.08RST38h1257 is hardly a huge waste of space, it covers 127 characters
13:14.09timeless_mbpthen it's very hard to justify retaining big blobs that waste space
13:14.34mgedminRST38h, CP1257.so is 12K on my laptop
13:14.38timeless_mbpRST38h: historically, chinese and friends are teh big offenders
13:14.49timeless_mbpbut 127c they may be, if they cost 12k, that's not 1k
13:14.56RST38hFor example, that glibc-based iconv supports a bunch of OSF* conversions that nobody has heard about probably since DEC times
13:14.56timeless_mbpand it probably doesn't compress well
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13:15.12timeless_mbp"that" == ?
13:15.31w00tit doesn't really matter how much it is, if there's very little to no use case for it, then it makes sense to trim it and stick something more desired there in the space left
13:15.48timeless_mbpanyway, w00t understands the reason
13:15.54timeless_mbpagain, i don't care
13:16.02timeless_mbpthe browser team ran into this problem and worked around it
13:16.11timeless_mbpplus we didn't want to have to fight to maintain it
13:16.12mgedminah, so the problem is lack of coverage
13:16.16mgedminand not other implementation details
13:16.21timeless_mbp?
13:16.26RST38hw00t: ~7 million people
13:16.28timeless_mbpdepends on who and what
13:16.38mgedminwhen you mentioned iconv was incredibly insufficient, I assumed dunno, algorithmic reasons
13:16.43timeless_mbpRST38h: in a world with what, 5 trillion people?
13:16.47mgedminlack of detection, error recovery, things like that
13:16.50mgedmindunno why I assumed that
13:17.32timeless_mbpthe question is whether those 7 million people are likely to want to buy our product
13:17.32RST38hiconv -l shows support for some encodings that are not even used by 7 million people
13:17.46timeless_mbpif they are, then you have a much better business case
13:17.49timeless_mbpif they aren't, then you don't
13:17.52timeless_mbpit's very simple
13:18.22timeless_mbpand if you think there are space savings to be had, file a distinct bug for a single converter and explain why no one we currently or are likely to try to sell to would care if it was removed
13:18.38timeless_mbp(don't file too many at a time, but if you get one win, file another)
13:18.55RST38hHow many of potential Nokia customers are going to use OSF00010001 encoding?
13:19.00RST38hWhat about OSF00010002 encoding?
13:19.18RST38hThese are all supported though
13:19.34mgedminnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! the app-menu bug strikes again
13:19.38mgedminI cannot play with ukbdcreator
13:19.43timeless_mbpmgedmin: eh?
13:19.43RST38hHa ha ha ha ha
13:19.49RST38hyou can invoke it from the command line
13:20.00timeless_mbpwhich bug is this?
13:20.05timeless_mbp(bugs.maemo.org url)
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13:21.33timeless_mbpsighs
13:21.37mgedminbug 6039, wasn't it?
13:21.38povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6039 Hanging application menu requires system reboot
13:21.44timeless_mbposf00010001 is not googlable
13:22.04mgedminno, that's not it
13:22.45mgedminbug 5713
13:22.46povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5713 Cannot scroll application menu
13:23.02mgedminwhich is a dupe of bug 5343
13:23.03povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5343 "More..." applications launcher does't allow scrolling
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13:23.53mgedminbtw, RST38h, my comment about 5343 being fixed "ages ago" was prompted by this comment: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5343#c1
13:23.54povbotBug 5343: "More..." applications launcher does't allow scrolling
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13:25.32RST38hmgedmin: 10-13 is something like WW43
13:25.35timeless_mbpandre__: btw
13:25.45timeless_mbpyour explanation of week numbers is probably dangerous
13:25.51timeless_mbpthere's a form of branching going on
13:25.51RST38hwhich correlates with WW44 date given later in comments
13:26.06timeless_mbpwhich in theory means that perhaps you're explanation won't be right :(
13:26.34andre__timeless_mbp, yeah. and i wonder if i'm allowed to state something about potential branchings in public :-/
13:26.44andre__but that should be only a problem for one or two weeks afaik
13:26.48RST38htoo late, andre
13:26.49timeless_mbpponders
13:27.01timeless_mbpRST38h: no, the fault is mine, not his
13:27.04timeless_mbphe didn't state it
13:27.08RST38hand we know about branchings anyway, Intel works similarly
13:27.27timeless_mbpi think the following are known:
13:27.34timeless_mbp1. the shipping version doesn't exist
13:27.41timeless_mbp(vaguely obvious, otherwise, we'd have shipped)
13:27.42andre__timeless_mbp, i also thought about this issue, but so far i only see a very small problem currently
13:27.47timeless_mbp2. we're working on a service release
13:28.00timeless_mbplogical conclusion: someone is somehow branching
13:28.32JaffaAnd someone's working on Harmattan ;-)
13:28.40timeless_mbpsuper-branch
13:28.55timeless_mbpwonders when that leaked
13:29.04RST38hJaffa: Not until we start seeing FIXED-IN-HARMATTAN resolutions...
13:29.10StskeepsRST38h: we did already afaik
13:29.13RST38hthank Murtazin
13:29.39mgedminwell, all that talk about harmattan during the summit kinda implied people were already working on it rather than just talking about it
13:29.46mgedminalthough I assumed it only applied to qt
13:30.09mgedmindownside of launching gui apps over ssh: when the connection times out, the app is killed
13:30.33RST38hscreen.
13:30.53Stskeepsgui.. then you need NX
13:31.12lardmanor add an &
13:31.19RST38hLow-Energy Laser Etching May Replace Fruit Labels
13:31.28RST38hTatoos next
13:31.56rangeRST38h: The "Modest IDLE support broken" bug has a "might get a fix in harmattan but nobody knows" :)
13:32.10mgedminukbdcreator is not exactly intuitive
13:32.18mgedminso, I've got a large text box, what do I type in it?
13:32.25mgedminloading a default layout would be nicer
13:32.37Jaffamgedmin: Indeed, random talk at summit about Harmattan plans implied some development was happening, presumably in some components which arleady exist
13:33.06timeless_mbprange: that's amusing
13:33.06RST38hrange: What is modest idle? =)
13:33.23timeless_mbpRST38h: vaporware
13:33.44RST38hJaffa: It is a non-secret really. Working on two evolutionary steps of the system at the time is a standard practice
13:33.59rangeRST38h: IDLE support in IMAP - something like push mail done correctly :)
13:34.05RST38hOh
13:34.06rangetimeless_mbp: Well, errm.
13:34.16timeless_mbprange: fwiw...
13:34.24timeless_mbpIDLE is apparently mostly useless
13:34.32RST38hJaffa: Would be more surprised if they WERE NOT working on Harmattan
13:34.33timeless_mbpi think most people want NOTIFY instead
13:34.48timeless_mbpi know that IDLE would be a disaster for me
13:35.04timeless_mbprange: out of curiosity, how many folders does your imap account have?
13:35.27mgedminmine has less than two hundred
13:35.31RST38hJaffa: What would be really nice to know though is how many Fremantle packages are branched for Harmattan and how many are being taken from the Fremantle main trunk
13:35.42rangetimeless_mbp: Yeah, but that is DRAFT mostly.
13:35.46RST38hThe more of them are branched => the less support we are gonna get for Fremantle
13:36.00timeless_mbpmgedmin: less than 200 *folders*
13:36.01rangetimeless_mbp: Too many :)
13:36.01range20? 30?
13:36.01derfI have a mere 17.
13:36.11mgedmin77
13:36.12timeless_mbpwell golly gee, you definitely do *not* want IDLE
13:36.31derfOnly 5 of which can receive mail.
13:36.41derfWell, mail that I'd want to read.
13:36.43timeless_mbpderf: well that's great
13:36.51mgedmin20 of which receive incoming mail
13:36.53derfAnd yes, I know IDLE is mostly useless.
13:37.04timeless_mbpyou planning to write a ui to let a normal user explain to modest which folders are "interesting"?
13:37.08mgedminand I don't even know what IDLE is
13:37.13timeless_mbpcan you imagine our ui team trying to do that?
13:37.24derftimeless_mbp: I can do it in other mail programs.
13:37.33derfBut no, I'm not ever planning to touch modest.
13:37.35RST38hIt is a pretty easy ui though
13:37.36timeless_mbpderf: oh sure
13:37.45timeless_mbpRST38h: how would you do it?
13:37.51RST38hUnless you want to comply with Maemo5 Stule Guide which limits you in all kinds of ways
13:37.57timeless_mbp...
13:38.05timeless_mbpwell, we're talking about fremantle ui designers
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13:38.07mgedminhey, multi-selection kinetic lists exist in maemo 5
13:38.13timeless_mbpso i think you kinda have to take that as a given
13:38.13RST38hShow attractive list of folders and ask the user to arrange them
13:38.23mgedminand this is exactly what's needed for, e.g. subscribing/unsubscribing to folders
13:38.26derfRST38h: I like checkboxes next to them.
13:38.37RST38hIf it is a bisection of interesting-vs-uninteresting, I would divide the screen in two halves, etc
13:38.44timeless_mbpRST38h: "arrange" is definitely not supported by maemo5 :)
13:38.48RST38hPutting little stars on interesting folders will also work
13:38.50derfRST38h: But things have parent/child relationships.
13:38.58mgedmintrees can be flattened
13:39.01timeless_mbpderf: tell me about it
13:39.03mgedminmodest already does that to my folders
13:39.06RST38hderf: Does not matter for this particular activity
13:39.07timeless_mbpi have at least two folders named "bugzilla"
13:39.14derfRST38h: Yes, it does.
13:39.15timeless_mbpone of which is useless
13:39.18timeless_mbpone of which is important
13:39.20derfFor the reason timeless_mbp just elucidated.
13:39.29RST38hderf: You can show a tree and ask the user to star interesting folders
13:39.37derfRST38h: Right. That was what I was suggesting.
13:39.50derfAnd is, in fact, how other programs do it.
13:39.53RST38hderf: The UI is not really a problem
13:40.01derfI didn't claim it was.
13:40.06timeless_mbpRST38h: can you try explaining that in 4-6 words composing a title or English sentence?
13:40.13timeless_mbp"star interesting folders" doesn't cut it
13:40.14RST38hderf: It is artifical lmitations enforced by Maemo5 UI people that are problem
13:40.22timeless_mbpnah
13:40.31timeless_mbpthe maemo5 ui can definitely support it
13:40.41timeless_mbpbut coming up w/ decent strings is ... definitely a challenge
13:40.43RST38hAbility To Mark Watched Folders
13:40.46RST38hHere, Have it.
13:40.51timeless_mbpand given that they've failed for much simpler strings...
13:41.02timeless_mbpif "watched" isn't a technical term
13:41.12derf"Mark folders to check for new mail"
13:41.13RST38hIt is a term people understand
13:41.15timeless_mbpthen you've just written something which doesn't mean anything
13:41.19derfIt's 7 words, but what do you want.
13:41.26timeless_mbpderf: 6 max ;-)
13:41.37timeless_mbpreally
13:41.42timeless_mbpyou have two things to deal w/
13:41.45timeless_mbp1. a button in a menu
13:41.48timeless_mbpmax ~3 words
13:41.54timeless_mbp2. a title line in a "view"
13:41.57derf"Folder subscriptions"
13:42.21timeless_mbpthat implies i can only see folders for which idle is enabled
13:42.35timeless_mbpsomeone said 5 / 17 folders get new interesting mail
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13:42.46timeless_mbpwould that someone never want to read mail from the other 12?
13:42.50wjtNew mail subscriptions
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13:43.00timeless_mbpwjt: "maybe"
13:43.05tigerta friend had a good folder structure
13:43.11tigertvery well organized set of folder
13:43.12tigerts
13:43.22tigertand one which had the name "Mail I actually read"
13:43.23tigert:)
13:43.28timeless_mbptigert: my folder structure suffers
13:43.33timeless_mbpmodest sorts alphabetically
13:43.37timeless_mbpand i have a folder named "archive"
13:43.46timeless_mbpso the folders i actually need to read are nowhere near inbox
13:43.53mgedminmy incoming mail is in INBOX and in a bunch of folders named IN.something
13:43.55tigertso name them like we used to do with MacOS9 apple menu?
13:43.56rangeWell, a pull every 10 minutes doesn't really make it better.
13:43.57timeless_mbpbecause my archive tree is huge
13:44.02mgedminwhich means I scroll halfway through the list to see them
13:44.05rangeAs long as I can turn off "new mail has arrived!"
13:44.05tigert" Foobar", "  Foobar" etc
13:44.06timeless_mbptigert: 1, 2, 3?
13:44.18tigertor if that doesnt work, 1Foobar 2Blah 3Zoo
13:44.21tigertugly but works
13:44.25timeless_mbpnods
13:44.34timeless_mbppersonally, i want imap subscription management
13:44.38timeless_mbpbut i'm using MfE not imap
13:44.40timeless_mbpso..
13:44.52tigertyou can use imap too afaik?
13:44.57tigertexchange has imap
13:45.03timeless_mbpis our imap public/
13:45.09tigerthavent tried
13:45.12timeless_mbpcan't remember
13:45.13tigertour exchange is, so...
13:45.14tigerttry
13:45.16timeless_mbpiirc it was for about a week
13:45.21timeless_mbpand then went back to not being
13:45.24tigertok
13:45.32tigertuse vpn?
13:46.19timeless_mbpdresses up a dead body
13:46.25timeless_mbpshoves it toward tigert
13:46.54timeless_mbpit's not like imap actually has advantages in Modest over MfE
13:47.09timeless_mbpc.f. -IDLE -NOTIFY +BANDWIDTH
13:47.44timeless_mbptelnet somewhere imap4-ssl
13:47.44rangetimeless_mbp: Ummm. Yes. I "only" have an IMAP server.
13:47.44timeless_mbpTrying somewhere...
13:47.45timeless_mbptelnet: connect to address somewhere: Operation timed out
13:47.45timeless_mbptelnet: Unable to connect to remote host
13:48.10timeless_mbprange: sorry, side discussion about a hypothetical infrastructure for a hypothetical employer
13:48.16range:)
13:48.25timeless_mbpnote that hypothetically non MS servers can implement MfE support
13:48.37timeless_mbphypothetically there might even be a major vendor which does
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13:49.13rangetakes out his knive to drill holes into his shinbone.
13:49.23rangeThat sounds like more fn.
13:49.26timeless_mbpsuch a hypothetical server might not work with a released version of modest
13:49.27rangefnu.
13:49.32range*FUN*
13:49.33timeless_mbpbut hypothetically that could be fixed
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13:50.03timeless_mbpdon't file a bug about that btw :)
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13:50.13mgedminfnu sounds like the predecessor of gnu
13:50.39rangefnu is not gnu is not unix?
13:50.55timeless_mbpheh
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14:01.13wazdbye-bye barcelona :(
14:01.46Anvith3i'm running low on internal memory on my n810. i've uninstalled all unwanted apps. how can i free up more memory. where are the temp files located?
14:01.57Stskeepswazd: :(
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14:02.51zaheer_wazd, ?
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14:09.11Macerok
14:09.12Macerthat's it
14:09.17Macertouchbook is fail :)
14:09.34Macergoing to try to get android on it and if i can't i'll sell it for half the price haha
14:09.43Stskeepswhy is it fail?
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14:11.01MacerStskeeps: i wouldn't even know where to begin
14:11.07MacerI think that it's neither software, nor hardware (in the sense of a design
14:11.08Macererror). Maybe a faulty connection somewhere. I will continue investigating.
14:11.25Macerthat is the last bug reply i got for it randomly blanking
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14:12.06Macerit just needs a good os for it but there really isn't anything out there that i can put on it that is far enough developed to work properly
14:13.24MacerStskeeps: i am going to sell it. want to buy it for $250? you might find something good to do with it
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14:14.27Macerbut yeah. for me. the touchbook is a total piece of shit :)
14:15.36Anvith3i'm running low on internal memory on my n810. i've uninstalled all unwanted apps. how can i free up more memory. where are the temp files located?
14:15.50Anvith3sorry about double post
14:15.53RST38hMacer: He will put Mer on it =)
14:16.13RST38hAnvith: What is internal memory? / partition?
14:16.35Anvith3my mistake i meant phone memory
14:16.48MacerRST38h: i wouldn't care what he did with it. i am personally about to run it over with my car
14:16.50Anvith3the 250 mb
14:16.53Anvith3one+
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14:17.05Macerright now i am going to write a flame article on http://tech.rancorous.net
14:19.49TermanaMacer - I think its better to run it over with your car than give it away, imo
14:19.49wazdMacer: moblin 2.1?
14:20.07RST38hMacer: Come on, at the very least it makes a nice coffee tablet decoration
14:20.08TermanaDon't forget to take a video
14:20.46anvith3_N810RST38h: how do i do it?
14:20.58RST38hAnvith: Uninstall some applications
14:21.05RST38hAnvith: Remove unused locales
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14:21.27RST38hAnvith: Simply reboot, to let the OS garbage collect
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14:25.30TermanaAnvith - Remember to do the madatory "bash your head against a wall". The computing gods aren't ever happy, and will never give you results unless you cause yourself pain in the process.
14:26.01JamieBennettHow do you get the IMEI number from the N900? Want to put it on my insurance but it *#06# doesn't seem to work
14:26.18TermanaJamieBennett: Try looking under that battery
14:26.22Termanathe*
14:26.23SpeedEvilIs it perhaps writen under the battery?
14:26.25zaheer_JamieBennett, it is in about in settings
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14:26.49SpeedEvilThough *#... not working is probably a bug
14:26.58JamieBennettah, so Nokia are diverging from the standard then? or not supported yet?
14:27.08zaheer_JamieBennett, plus the battery thing everyone else said :)
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14:27.39zaheer_but yah i just checked, it is definitely in About product in the settings app
14:27.43JamieBennettzaheer_ wins for easy of finding out, thanks
14:28.11JamieBennettwow, spelling problems today :)
14:28.23JamieBennettsorry
14:28.42zaheer_JamieBennett, it's ok, i misspelt my nick also
14:28.58JamieBennett:)
14:29.10JamieBennettgoes back to device tree research
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14:30.52VDVsxROTFL -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VZHT389eR4 (watch till the end :P)
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14:34.49pupnik_i like cork soled sandals because i can make little farting noises with my feet when i'm waiting in line
14:35.09JamieBennettBug submitted. I really should stop moaning and file more bugs but I fear that I have a lot of them for the n900 :)
14:35.14pupnik_for when n810 is not handy
14:35.38RST38hjavis: Rejoice, they have fixed the menu hangup bug!
14:36.19javispedrowe'll see how :)
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14:36.36RST38hBTW, anyone have encountered a bug where ENTER key in XTerm suddenly stops working?
14:36.40Stskeepsanyone with a 770, os2006 around and 'file' installed?
14:36.47StskeepsRST38h: yeah, probably hildon input method screwing up
14:36.49RST38hhas been hit with it twice over the last two days
14:36.49Stskeepsuse ctrl-m
14:37.01RST38hHmmmm...you havew got a point
14:37.04Stskeeps(we're back to the 70s)
14:37.08RST38hShould I file it though?
14:37.11Mekenter always stops working after I detach screen in xterm for me....
14:37.17Mek(screen in ssh in xterm that is)
14:37.40RST38hAnyone got bug id for it?
14:37.50anvith3_N810ok thanks. @termana : ah well what can i say.
14:37.57anvith3_N810:)
14:38.51wazdI just caught a design  revelation
14:39.23Stskeepsarmy clothes for teletubbies?
14:39.58Macerhahahahaa
14:39.59wazdIf you want to make flush screen in the phone - don't make front case black - make it silvery dark grey, same as the screen
14:40.30RST38hwazd: sure you can get the color right though?
14:40.52RST38hBecause if it is even a little bit off, this makes no sense to do
14:40.54wazdRST38h: I bet it's possible)
14:41.11wazdRST38h: with all that zillion of different materials
14:41.33RST38hwazd: it may be difficult to predict exact lcd color, when it is off
14:41.49RST38heven two batches of the same lcd model may have somewhat different colors
14:41.51wazdfor me they are really the same :D
14:42.13RST38hcollect some of your gadgets and compare =)
14:42.36StskeepsMacer: the issue sounds like a kernel issue though, especially that people were able to have it continue working by continously feeding the backlight setting
14:42.49wazdRST38h: looking at SE t630 and n800 now - really the same
14:43.02wazdRST38h: like exactly
14:43.15VDVsxjavispedro, ping
14:43.23javispedroVDVsx: pong
14:43.36wazdRST38h: the only difference is that you can see pixel grid on 630 :)
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14:43.49VDVsxjavispedro, do you know if sbox still have issues with OGL ?
14:44.09wazdRST38h: I'm sure next iPhone will use that idea :)
14:44.35javispedroVDVsx: i am at this very moment still trying to understand the clutter ogl intricacies. so yes, the final sdk still has issues with OGL.
14:44.42RST38hwazd: Or just make the inactive screen totally black =)
14:44.58wazdRST38h: that's kinda impossible/expensive
14:45.14javispedroVDVsx: even though may I ask to elaborate the question? from the top of my head there's the "uses software rendering no mather what" and the "orangeness" issues.
14:45.16wazdRST38h: OLED - yes
14:45.17RST38hwazd: polarized glass or one-way mirror
14:45.37RST38hwazd: you lose some brightness of course, but it has been done before, even with a third-party film
14:46.05RST38hwazd: I have seen iPhone screen protector that becomes a mirror when the iPhone screen is off
14:46.10javispedroVDVsx: and I have somewhat working fixes for both
14:46.11wazdRST38h: not sure, never seen it for myself
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14:46.30wazdRST38h: and assumed that it's too expensive to polarize screen
14:46.36VDVsxjavispedro, it runs fast ? and the sbox packages are still diff from the device ones ?
14:46.51wazdRST38h: ah, yep, saw that too
14:47.11javispedroVDVsx: with VMGL it runs fast indeed. sdk packages are so old that now the autobuilder gets them from "in-device packages repo" instead of sdk
14:47.30wazdRST38h: http://www.daydeal.com/files/images8/iphone_mirror_screen_pro2.jpg
14:47.50wazdRST38h: but as you can see - black border still around
14:49.54javispedroVDVsx: want to try? if you have debian lenny it should be easy (well, patch and recompile xserver-xephyr...)
14:50.06RST38hwazd: Yea
14:50.22RST38hMek: Still here?
14:50.27VDVsxjavispedro, I've ubuntu ;)
14:50.39VDVsxjavispedro, but don't have the last sbox version
14:50.46wazdRST38h: you can make it disappear at some angles but my solution will work better :)
14:50.48RST38hMek: Please, vot/comment on this bug report: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6045
14:50.50povbotBug 6045: ENTER key stops working in XTerm
14:51.53zaheermVDVsx, that video was too funny!
14:52.12javispedrosaw it already :)
14:53.29VDVsxhehe
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14:54.02Macerhttp://tech.rancorous.net/2009/11/05/touchbook-fail/
14:54.05Macerlol
14:54.08Stskeepswell, google is getting a shitload of bad press atm
14:54.29RST38hSts: Smear campaign! =)
14:55.00javispedroEven though this common belief that "Cyogen did a better rom in his spare time than the Google team in months" is common, and I dislike it
14:55.09Stskeepsall things considered, we do have a -fairly- good relationship with nokia :P
14:55.10javispedrosaw it loooots of times in the PalmOS sphere
14:55.22Macerjavispedro: :)
14:55.29Macercyanogen is awesome
14:56.03lcukmgedmin, povbot is awesome! :D
14:56.16SpeedEvilWhat are the things the mods do that the stock doesnT?
14:57.03Macerah.
14:57.17MacerSpeedEvil: for oen thing their updates are quicker
14:57.27Macerthey have dev tools and certain mods that are nice to have
14:57.32Macertheme support is nice too :)
14:57.33SpeedEvilah
14:57.54lcukhopes barcamp has good food this weekend
14:58.11javispedroMacer: too bad the TB sucks so much, I was considering it.
14:58.22Macerjavispedro: it is a total piece of shit :)
14:58.26RST38hlcuk: What is BarCamp anyway? How did it start? Th description at Maemo Planet sounds delicious
14:58.28lcukthe touchbook is made of awesome tho
14:58.31Maceri guess it would be good for people who are hardcore developers
14:58.33Stskeepsgod, i love that ending of the movie
14:58.48Macerbut as it stands the thing is a total piece of crap :)
14:58.50javispedroStskeeps: the real one or the one with N900 references? :)
14:58.51lcukRST38h, planet or talk
14:58.59lcuki cant get planet up atm
14:59.03RST38hlcuk: no longer remember, the one with pictures
14:59.04Maceryou would be best to save your money and get a beagleboard or an n900
14:59.13VDVsxjust found out that he has a friend studying in Barcelona :)
14:59.13Macersave the $400 and you are 2/3 to an n900 :)
14:59.15javispedroMacer: beagleboard sucks batteries too
14:59.21Stskeepsjavispedro: both but the n900 reference got me
14:59.43javispedroVDVsx: studying what? :)
14:59.56Macerjavispedro: unless a REAL company picks up a GOOD arm based netbook. i think an atom is the best route
15:00.00lcuklol, its an unconference full of people from tech who come together and discuss topics on the day they arrive
15:00.13lcukvery very cool idea :) there were people from all areas last time
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15:00.31lcukand we took part in some really nifty presentations and bofs
15:00.42VDVsxjavispedro, Msc, think is CS, let me ask, He contact me asking if I'll be there for the maemo hackfest ;)
15:01.25VDVsxjavispedro, http://www.iua.upf.edu/csim/
15:02.14javispedroah, good.
15:02.58VDVsxjavispedro, your univ as well ?
15:03.04VDVsxnow hopes to be invited ;)
15:03.56javispedroVDVsx: nope, I'm from barcelona tech (as most of those who posted in the thread so far)
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15:04.18VDVsxjavispedro, :)
15:04.46javispedro(barcelona tech is not the real name but sounds cool either way :) )
15:05.02VDVsxehhe
15:05.15RST38hBTU?=)
15:05.36javispedroheh
15:05.47VDVsxFIB isn't it ?
15:05.49VDVsxlol
15:06.06javispedroyep
15:07.34Macerhttp://bash.org/?766026
15:07.36Macerlol
15:08.21javispedrolol
15:08.43RST38hwonders if the author meant some sex toy by "octopus"
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15:09.26RST38hBecause the live octopus somehow feels less relevant to the described situation
15:10.22javispedrobelieves someone was triying to reuse problems from another book by just changing the text but not the numbers
15:10.57javispedroafter "reinventing" problems for a few hours I'm sure a octopus in a physics problem sounds reasonable
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15:12.21Macerjavispedro: haha
15:12.41Macerjavispedro: i was wondering if there was any type of centrifugal force created by the puck hitting the octopus
15:12.53Stskeepsjavispedro: keyboard and ts part?
15:12.57Stskeepserr..
15:12.58StskeepsMacer:
15:13.10Macer?
15:13.11fiferboyThrowing octipii onto the ice is actually common in one NHL city - I think Detroit
15:13.29StskeepsMacer: TB
15:13.49MacerStskeeps: yeah. that's short for touchbullshit
15:13.50Macer:)
15:14.30javispedrooctipii!
15:14.36Stskeepsshipping included in 250 USD? ;)
15:14.39fiferboyoctopii?
15:14.45javispedrooctopuses iirc
15:15.14fiferboyoctopuses, octopi, octopodes, aparently
15:15.23MacerStskeeps: hm. i am trying to remember how much the n800 was to ship to you
15:15.25javispedrowasn't there a entire domain dedicated to the "virii" issue ;)
15:15.50StskeepsMacer: a TB is probably a lot heavier :P
15:16.17javispedrowouldn't anyone know when GL_UNSIGNED_SHORT_5_6_5 was introducen in desktop opengl?
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15:16.58Macerhonestly. if it is less than $50 to ship. then sure. screw it
15:17.02Macerthis thing is worthless to me :)
15:17.22Macerlet me check at the usps and i will tell you by saturday
15:18.12Macerat least the 200 will help me get my n900 :).. i am hating the day i ever thought about buying this touchbook
15:18.15Macerhaha
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15:19.15Macerbut if you really want it .. let me know so i don't go wait in line for nothing :)
15:19.19Maceri accept paypal haha
15:19.31MacerA++++++
15:19.58ShadowJKMacer: discovered that it's not as comfortable for couch/bed surfing? :-)
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15:21.58MacerShadowJK: discovered that it's not comfortable while ripping my hair out
15:22.04Macerit's a worthless piece of shit :)
15:22.20Macertaht's what i get for buying something designed by the french
15:23.08MacerStskeeps would have a lot more "fun" with it than i could
15:23.13ShadowJKSoftware unusable?
15:23.29Macertaht... hardware seems flaky too... let me find the bug....
15:24.03Macerhttp://bugzilla.alwaysinnovating.com/show_bug.cgi?id=39
15:24.04povbotBug 39: libosso docs: remove contact info
15:24.07Macerread the last entry :)
15:24.25Macerthat is from the "inventor" of the tb
15:24.37Macer"Not hardware or software" kind of made me laugh
15:24.49Macerthere are gremlins or french cockroaches in my TB i suppose
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15:26.11Macerwow. i think i overpaid all my credit cards
15:26.13StskeepsMacer: i'm pondering if there's some bad readings on whatever controls backlight
15:26.26MacerStskeeps: i am pondering throwing the thing off a tall buiilding
15:26.28Macer;)
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15:26.35Hrwwhi
15:27.05MacerStskeeps: i had a theory that it may be some type of obscure backlight power management that keeps detecting the tablet battery as being empty
15:27.16Macersince the sensor for the tablet battery doesn't seem to function properly
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15:28.06Stskeepswhat did other people say that kept it from happening?
15:28.12javispedrook, 5_6_5 is available from GL 1.2 onwards
15:28.28MacerStskeeps: i think they found a small led flashlight
15:28.32Macerand duct taped it inside
15:28.32javispedroso why did someone believe they needed packed_pixels ext for it? Hmpf.
15:29.12Maceri thought gregoire put the broken kernel in the bug to download :)
15:29.23Macers/thought/thought it was awesome when
15:30.06StskeepsMacer: i do run a risk of you killing me if i discover it's some simple issue though
15:30.30MacerStskeeps: honestly i could care less. overall i hate the thing ;) even if the backlight worked
15:30.45Maceri'd rahter have a more developed device
15:31.00Macerlike an n900. even when an n900 comes out it wouldn't have NEARLY the amount of problems the tb has
15:31.07Stskeepschecks the dollar exchange rate
15:31.17Macerwhat do they use in poland?
15:31.18Macereuros?
15:31.27Stskeepspln
15:31.54Macerpoland isnt eu?
15:32.34rangeMacer: It is, but it isn't Euro-Zone (as in currency) yet.
15:32.49rangeNot all countries in the EU have the EUR:
15:33.17Macertoo poor huh? rest of the richer countries don't want them to drag down the currency rate? :)
15:33.27Stskeepsnah
15:33.31Stskeepsvoted not to get it
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15:33.36Stskeepsin case of denmark at least
15:33.45Macerwow really? odd
15:33.47lcukMacer, you raved about touchbook for ages
15:34.00lcukwhat changed? did some pretty laptop flutter her usb ports at you?
15:34.07Moo___got n900 <2
15:34.09Moo___<3 even
15:34.14ShadowJKSweden and denmark held referendum and the people said no
15:34.17rangeMacer: UK is one of the oldest EU countries and rather watches their pound going down than going EUR :)
15:34.28Macerlcuk: i raved about it when i was waiting on the 4 month late preorder
15:34.36Macerthen got it and was totally disappointed
15:34.37ShadowJKUK artificially kept their economy from not qualifying for euro :)
15:34.42lcukso what changed
15:35.10Macerrange: well. that is probably the global economic collapse thing
15:35.21StskeepsMacer: at least you didn't preorder a pandora
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15:35.24Macerprobably had too much of a stake in the US$ or property
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15:35.40MacerStskeeps: the same TI stuff plagues the TB also
15:35.45MacerOPEN EMBEDDED my ass :)
15:36.01ShadowJKEU is a bit fuzzy. Some aspects of EU don't apply to all of EU, and some aspects extend and apply in some places outside EU
15:36.16lcukMacer, dont shout that too loudly
15:36.22lcuksomeone may take it as an invite
15:36.29Moo___ShadowJK: italians don't even translat the directives to their language ;)
15:36.31javispedroto open embed his ass?
15:36.32javispedroO.o
15:36.33Macerlcuk: hahaha
15:36.35mgedminwas quite surprised this year when he discovered UK wasn't in Schengen
15:36.36Macerfreudian slip
15:36.48Maceruk doesn't use euros does it?
15:36.59Maceri thought they stuck with their pounds
15:37.26Maceri only recently found out the royal family still has control of hte military
15:38.27Macerlike the queen decides on what to do with it still
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15:38.27ShadowJKSchengen is the border control thing
15:38.27Macershe should have them kill parliment.. like ye old days
15:38.27Macerolde
15:38.27RST38hhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1225042/Germanys-bald-bears-Fur-disease-afflicts-Dolores-baffles-vets.html
15:38.44Macerah well... i'm off to sleep for a bit. tty later
15:39.01MacerStskeeps: i will let you know if 250 is viable with shipping tomorrow or saturday
15:39.40Stskeepswe'll see.. no promises yet
15:39.50Moo___help
15:39.56ShadowJKWhat are they as new?
15:39.59Moo___how can I type ä with US n900 layout
15:40.44ShadowJKIs it under chr/sym perhaps
15:41.09VDVsxmgedmin, same , lol
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15:42.15RST38hmoo: press top left key
15:42.28RST38hmoo: select :, then press the A key
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15:43.48mgedminMoo___, fn+ctrl, ¨, a
15:43.57mgedmintook me ages to find the unicode code for ¨
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15:46.54RST38hit shows up as two characters here
15:47.59fralsawesome, got home from fighting with win2k3 and lpd to find wap push dbus docs in my mail \o/
15:48.16RST38hlazily watches Oct2009s discussing "games worth emulating"
15:48.34javispedrotell them to get out of your lawn!
15:49.07ccookeRST38h: have they mentioned any PS3/360 games yet? :-)
15:50.11javispedrono, but someone mentioned "the emulatos on android have better compatibility rates" and me feel dizzy
15:50.37mgedminwhere's diff for fremantle?
15:50.49RST38hccooke: coming
15:51.14Moo___mgedmin: nope, no luck yet :P
15:51.20Moo___top left is "sym ctrl"
15:51.37RST38h"Amiga 500: is apparently a console game
15:53.26javispedrowins
15:54.15mgedminMoo___, you need to hold down fn (the blue northeast-pointing arrow), press sym/ctrl
15:54.20mgedmina symbol palette will pop up
15:54.24RST38hMoo: Mgedmin is right, sorry
15:54.27mgedminpress ¨, it will light up
15:54.28mgedminthen press a
15:54.31mgedminsimple!
15:54.33mgedminfive easy steps
15:54.38javispedroSDK 0 javispedro 1
15:54.57mgedminwants to throw a sport at some UI designers
15:55.03mgedmin*spork
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15:55.49RST38hwhy not go for a knife from the start? we know THAT is what you REALLY want =)
15:55.55lardmansplade might do more harm ;)
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15:56.24RST38hEntering ~ character is funny too
15:56.34javispedrothe compositing thing sucks, since it's basically just getting the window contents as raw bitmaps (using xshmimageget) and then uploading as gl textures. at least on ogl, not yet seen the ogles code path.
15:56.41Moo___mgedmin: i am pretty sure I know what you mean
15:56.44Moo___but it does not work :P
15:57.12mgedminworksforme, Moo___
15:57.23mgedminif I wasn't bitten by bug 5343, I could start xchat and prove it to you
15:57.23povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5343 "More..." applications launcher does't allow scrolling
15:57.25javispedroif the ogles code path is anything similar this means using the "official" scaler konttori shown us will be faster
15:57.41javispedrobecause data uploaded to gpu will be halved
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15:58.29mgedminhm, actually, I may be using an UK keyboard layout
15:58.43mgedminI wonder if the popup palette is different for US
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15:59.25pupnik_<PROTECTED>
15:59.42javispedropupnik_: exactly.
15:59.42pupnik_s/as/as much/
15:59.53javispedrowait.
15:59.57javispedroreparses
16:00.02Stskeepsmorning orbarron
16:00.23pupnik_say i scale 2x, that means 4x memcpy
16:00.29pupnik_normally
16:00.33javispedropupnik_: without compositing, I'd expect the GPU to draw on to screen directly
16:00.37javispedrothus avoiding any memcpy at all
16:00.44pupnik_with this composite i copy original siye twice, so 2x
16:00.58pupnik_size
16:01.17orbarronmorning Stskeeps
16:01.19javispedrowith compositing and outputting 800x480 it's going to upload a 800x480 texture to gpu
16:01.39mgedminwtf segfault? http://pastie.org/684962
16:02.05pupnik_ow, no... no...
16:02.08pupnik_really?
16:02.12javispedroseems so.
16:02.18javispedroactually, a FBO.
16:02.37pupnik_ok well device is fast enough
16:02.47pupnik_lolä
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16:03.39mgedminwaah, dead ssh sessions are hogging all my PTYs
16:03.45mgedminis there a bug asking for an increase?
16:04.07Stskeepsi vote for more open xterms too
16:04.13mgedminbug 5824
16:04.13povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5824 Maximum number of pseudo terminals too low (4)
16:05.15pupnik_were the sgx designers this clueless about what we need, ir is this a limitation imposed by x?
16:05.43pupnik_nice clppless Q, pupnik
16:05.48pupnik_shh
16:06.02Moo___managed to switch Suomi Svenka layout and can now type å and ö but no ä :(
16:06.26Moo___now!
16:06.30Moo___up arrow
16:07.00mgedminanybody experimented with init scripts on fremantle?
16:07.07lcukwhich is the best vmware image for fremantle stuff?  the laptop network pissed me off for the final time
16:08.20Corsachmnhm what exactly maemo architecture uses for managing the archive? (asking because we started accepting 3.0 source format which I guess aren't known in maemo atm)
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16:13.51javispedroseems that indeed the ogles codepath is mostly the same as the ogl one.
16:13.55javispedrowhy aren't they using FBOs?
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16:15.53mgedminflaky flaky network
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16:17.58AndrewFBlackIs there no way to disable an applet on n900
16:18.13lcukjavispedro, so you are patching up the sdk side of things still
16:18.18lcuk(very worthy btw!)
16:18.35lcukAndrewFBlack, explain more..
16:18.56javispedrolcuk: yeah, I am reading to try to understand how it works and make more informated comments in bug #4870
16:18.58povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 Red & blue color channels swapped sometimes in SDK
16:19.03AndrewFBlacklcuk, ok lets say I'm tried of see load applet right but I don't want ot install it can I not disable it like before?
16:19.33mgedminvery very angry about bug network flakyness
16:19.42lcukit happens all over mgedmin
16:19.47fiferboyAndrewFBlack: No, it seems there is no way of disabling status bar applets
16:19.53lcukthe wifi end of my house is annoying
16:20.01fiferboyMaybe if you dig into some configuration files that control the loading of them...
16:20.08mgedminlaptop's wifi is _fine_, n900's wifi is tired
16:20.22lcukheh other way round here
16:20.30AndrewFBlackseems like there are several functions they have remeved to make fremantle "Simpler" has made it well not so simple to me
16:20.34lcukthe laptop works great if its within about 5 foot of the router
16:20.40lcukotherwise it has a shitfit
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16:21.13lcukAndrewFBlack, you want to install the applet but you dont want it running?
16:23.25AndrewFBlackwell lets say I don't want it running right now atleast like I don't always need load applet running but I have ot keep it running all the time now
16:23.48lcukgotcha
16:24.52AndrewFBlackI think I like Maemo5-loadapplet better but I can't figure out how to do screenshots with it
16:24.53lcukfile it as an bug/enhancement request?
16:25.45jyskywhat's the latest eta for n900?
16:26.33w00tnokia uk have been saying that shipping of preorders starts on the 9th for a fair while, so i'm sticking with that
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16:29.08jyskyfew weeks ago i asked from verkkokauppa.com and they said that week 45. don't know if it has changed
16:29.40RST38hWW45 is like NOW
16:30.01jyskyyeah, but if they get 2 pieces at friday afternoon it's still 45 :)
16:30.28RST38hSunday still satisfies the promise, in European terms
16:30.28w00toverseas dates have been very mixed
16:31.26jyskydon't think they be going through their deliveries at weekends
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16:31.43javispedroTODO: non-comp. in portrait mode
16:31.44javispedroheh.
16:32.13lcuktakes apart nintendo wii
16:32.18mgedminwonders why RST38h uses a double-double-u prefix for week numbers
16:32.37RST38hmgedmin: work-week
16:32.46RST38hmgedmin: pretty standard in the industry
16:33.08mgedmininteresting, I've never encountered it
16:33.43SpeedEvilHas anyone here ordering from nokia.co.uk gotten an email?
16:33.51mgedminI've always used ISO 8601, which is just W45
16:33.52rangeHmmm. Wouldn't that be different for everybody depending on when they take their vacations?
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16:34.08rangeAnd. I don't have 52 work weeks per year :)
16:34.28RST38hrange: nah, it is not a work week only if everyone stops working
16:34.51RST38hwhich will eventually happen, I guess, but not right away
16:35.06RST38hThe Tentacled One needs some more time waking up
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16:36.42mgedminooh, conboy devs are fixing bugs!
16:36.46mgedminI should file some new ones
16:37.02pH5:)
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16:52.00pinheiro_hey people
16:52.20pinheiro_one question what is teh defoult font in maemo?
16:52.53rangeNokia Sans, probably.
16:53.21VDVsxyeah, think so
16:54.12mgedminuh oh bumped max pty limit to 16 and ran out of them
16:54.18VDVsxthe maemo encyclopedia should know that :)
16:54.30VDVsxqwerty12, what the default font in maemo ?
16:54.44mgedminwhispers "nokia sans"
16:54.49VDVsx*what's
16:54.53qwerty12Nokia Sans
16:55.01pinheiro_cool
16:55.03VDVsxqwerty12, thanks ;)
16:55.04IrcngHi all
16:55.20pinheiro_now were can i find it :)
16:55.31pinheiro_making mocks :)
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16:56.31JaffaBlimey, fmradio's now in extras
16:56.35JaffaNeeds a screenshot
16:56.51qwerty12pinheiro_: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33181&highlight=nokia+sans has two ways, with the install Nokia Internet Tablet Video Converter method being the easiest...
16:56.55IrcngAnyone knows when new n900 trully will be launched in US?
16:57.07qwerty12Jaffa: They can all be found on wazd's blog ;)
16:57.31RST38hIrcng: no.
16:57.42Jaffaqwerty12: Are they actually used by the app? I've not tried it (I'd also say it needs an XB-Maemo-Display-Name of 'FM Radio')
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16:58.51qwerty12Jaffa: Well, it does have the scale, but it does not look like one on wazd's blog =)
16:58.55qwerty12=the
16:59.14pinheiro_only windows and mac ports :(
16:59.26pinheiro_oo well wine will get it i think
16:59.36qwerty12The SDK route is also available...
17:00.04javispedroanyone saw anyone using HildonRemoteTexture?
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17:02.02RST38hThe Firefox for Mobile aggregator is back!
17:03.05pinheiro_qwerty12:  thanks wine worked the software works via wine, :) now to find the ttf
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17:03.48javispedrothinks adding HildonRemoteFBO wouldn't be a bad idea
17:05.21javispedroah well, enough clutter for today
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17:05.46javispedroRST38h: not only it's back, but it's also "Unknown author"
17:06.09andrei1089hi.. is there any way to catch the headset button press on N900?
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17:07.15RST38hjavispedro: can't it be disabled as being offtopic?
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17:09.46javispedroRST38h: I dunno. IMHO all tweets should disappear from there.
17:10.20RST38hyep
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17:23.12practisevoodoo_does anyone know how to enable usb host mode inside easy debian on an n810?
17:29.10lcukpractisevoodoo_, easydebian is inside a choot within diablo isnt it
17:29.31lcukie, if you enable hostmode the normal way, wont it just follow and use that
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17:36.41lcukmakes a nintendo wii fixing tool
17:39.20courmischanyone knows how to get pannable rather than scrollbar widgets with Qt4  on N900 ?
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17:40.36TomomosiusWhant to win prizes like Xbox360 Elite,PS3,PSP-3000,40 inc LCD TV and many more. Then watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZl3vlYgO0g It will explain u how.U can pm me here to
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17:41.34VDVsxlol, no N900's :(
17:42.52qwerty12VDVsx, for you, they will reserve an Android-running phone of your choice
17:43.11VDVsxqwerty12, nice ;)
17:43.27VDVsxwants one :)
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17:43.52KhertanHi everybody !
17:44.01mgedmin~lart flaky wifi
17:44.01infobotputs on a hockey mask and jumps out at flaky wifi
17:44.43VDVsx~cookie
17:45.12KhertanTopic doesn t say anymore that maemo 5 will not be available on n8x0 ... does it s mean it will ?
17:45.14Khertan:)
17:45.47mgedminnah, it means everybody knows already
17:46.15mgedminthere probably exists a parallel universe in which maemo 5 will be backported to the 770
17:47.09Khertanwhy does nokia fuck the gtk.filechooserdialog with their theme ....i can t display extension with hildon.filechooserdialog !
17:49.37Khertandoes there is a way to read received sms on n900
17:49.50Khertani mean with python ?
17:53.53zaheermyah
17:54.09zaheermevent logger api
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17:55.06fiferboycourmisch: pannable widgets are going to be default in the next release of the qt libs
17:55.36fiferboycourmisch: If you want to try them out now, go to qt4.garage.maemo.org and click the install arrow
17:57.37courmischfiferboy: ok
17:57.50courmischfiferboy: btw, why was tray icon class removed rather than stubbed?
17:58.21Khertanzaheerm: does there is examples somewhere ?
17:58.22Stskeepsno tray icons in fremantle? :P
17:58.27Khertanor api doc ?
17:58.28fiferboycourmisch: I'm not sure.  You could try asking at #qt-maemo
17:58.44zaheermKhertan, there should be, i don't know where though
17:59.08Khertanah ok ...
17:59.18courmischSMS are exposed via DBus with an internal API
17:59.40courmischprobably com.nokia.csd.sms.something
18:00.01Khertanthe purpose is simple
18:00.48Khertanwhen an sms is receive with a specific code erase data take picture and gps position and send it to kill the thief :)
18:01.26Khertanjust in case it could be usefull for a stupid thief which didn t flash the n900
18:01.44courmischI'm pretty sure N900 is not capable of killing someone
18:01.57Stskeepswanna bet?
18:01.58courmischI doubt CE label would allow it
18:02.08Khertanyep but with gps position stream send i can
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18:02.45Flandry__We just leave the killing part to Skynet's "operatives"
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18:03.08Khertan:)
18:04.37Khertanmaybe i can read sms file if it s stored somewhere
18:04.57Khertanhum not a good idea for battery
18:05.18courmisch/var/spool/sms IIRC
18:05.25VDVsxKhertan, probably they will release the API for that
18:05.41courmischdefine they?
18:05.52Khertanyep ... i ll wait the api
18:06.04VDVsxthere's a couple of apps for Symbian with the same functionality ;)
18:06.07Khertanor at least documention on dbus
18:06.14VDVsxcourmisch, Nokia
18:06.22Khertanyep and palm too :)
18:06.47courmischmy understanding as an employee in the maemo cellular team is _no_
18:07.05VDVsx:(
18:07.06courmischbut the upper-layer Telepathy API, maybe
18:07.07Khertani ve done one for my palm which install himself in the firmware
18:07.23RST38hmoos
18:07.27Khertancourmisch: :(
18:07.30wjtthe Telepathy API is all in the open
18:07.40wjthttp://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=rtcom-telepathy-glib.git;a=summary
18:07.44VDVsxKhertan, I've done a similar thing with pyS60, but not for the same propose
18:07.47wjtplus the regular Telepathy interfaces
18:07.59courmischthe CSD API is not very hard to figure out, but it's unlikely to be documented
18:08.18Khertansniff
18:08.20VDVsxcourmisch, security reasons ? :P
18:08.23Stskeepscourmisch: you did notice cellmo-icp28-headers are in sdk?
18:08.34courmischweird
18:08.59courmischbut that's only useful if you want to talk to the modem directly
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18:09.26Stskeepsstill, if that is accessible, then why not csd? :P
18:10.12courmischbecause then we have an excuse for not maintaining the API in Maemo 6, and for not supporting apps that screw cellular up
18:10.46Khertan:(
18:11.24courmischStskeeps: ofono is probably a better source if you want to reverse engineer the modem protocol anyway
18:12.12VDVsxeheh
18:12.34lcukKhertan, easy api for python
18:13.20RST38hStskeeps: Or you can google for "cellular AT command set"
18:13.33courmischThe N900 does not talk AT natively
18:13.50Khertanlcuk ? for what ?
18:13.52RST38his there some point where you can feed AT commands though?
18:13.59courmischthe USB port
18:13.59lcukthe heck of it
18:14.22Robot101Khertan: I don't see the problem - you can send and receive SMSes through telepathy
18:14.23RST38hcourmisch: ?
18:14.26RST38hOh ok
18:14.38Robot101even without any magic cellular extra interfaces
18:14.45courmischthe only thing that uses AT is the USB Abstract Communication Modem interface
18:14.51courmischfor compatibility reasons
18:15.08lcuktried ordering pizza with telepathy too :)
18:15.11pupnik_i am getting operated-on.  n810 at standby :)
18:15.15KhertanRobot101: i didn t know
18:15.35courmischyou can also talk AT commands by invoking pnatd...
18:15.39Khertanfor me telepathy = msn + jabber :)
18:15.45courmisch...but the device supports only one instance at a time
18:15.53Robot101Khertan: courmisch and wjt said like 10 mins ago :)
18:16.04Robot101Khertan: on N900, telepathy = jabber + cellular + skype + sip
18:16.13Robot101and we have IRC, MSN, AIM, etc to download and install
18:17.24Khertani m looking at the api reference ... slow 3g connection :)
18:17.44zaheermRobot101, have you or other telepathy guys noticed issues with telepathy-butterfly on n900? i have no idea how to check logs or anything but it seems most of the time it just says network error and sometimes i'm lucky (or not wrt msn) and it has connected
18:18.05lcukKhertan, did you ever get a scratchbox setup at home
18:18.11lcukor are you still onboard
18:19.16Khertanlcuk : still onboard :j
18:19.26lcukhow are you finding it on n900 now
18:19.40lcukhave you settled in
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18:20.13Khertani m still developping a from scratch pygtkeditor
18:20.21lcukcool!
18:20.31lcukmake sure you post about your progress
18:20.42Khertanbut what s annoying me the much currently is that i can t use gtksourceview
18:20.52lcukwhats up with it? the scrollbars?
18:21.08Khertanand show file extension in hildon filechooserdialog
18:21.21lcukit would be nice to allow them to connect together - use editor on one n900 and debug on another and run code on another
18:21.25lcukahh
18:21.31Khertanlcuk : the scrollbar and the fact that slow in a pannablearea
18:21.54lcukperhaps its something the hildondialogs library could have a look at
18:21.54Khertanthis why i ve dev a full python hildoncodebuffer :)
18:22.03lcukouch!
18:22.18Khertanand it s works ...
18:22.19lcukis it possible to reuse the principles from your simplified calendar widget
18:22.23lcukthats ok then
18:22.43Khertanregex powa
18:23.00Khertannow i m implenting the undo manager
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18:23.06Khertanas there isn t undo in textbuffer
18:23.32Khertani really like this n900 :)
18:23.34lcukhow long do you have on the train?
18:24.00Khertanbut it s annoying that gtk.filechooser is unusable now on fremantle
18:24.19lcukyeah, like i say theres a few dialogs that arent right
18:24.32lcukand if the file select is wrong, it could join with the font and color dialogs
18:24.38Khertanaround 4 hours by day ... 3 day by week
18:25.14lcuk3 days a week isnt so bad
18:25.33lcuki did an 8hour train stint last week
18:25.37lcuk7
18:25.45Khertanyep two days working at home
18:25.45lcukreally tested media player
18:26.01Khertan~ping
18:26.01infobot~pong
18:26.16Khertanouch did you have a second battery ?
18:26.33Khertani test it everyday :)
18:26.38lcukyeah, next time i go im taking transcoded tv episodes
18:26.44lcukgonna see how much of a difference they make
18:27.16Khertanthe main problem i ve is for playing video with subtitle ... it doesn t read subtitle when they are in a separate file
18:27.35lcukheh last time i messed with subtitles
18:27.36Khertanso i use mplayer
18:27.45lcuki edited the file and gave tracy hints about star wars
18:27.53lcukmplayer is built now?
18:27.58zaheermKhertan, that should be easily sorted
18:28.10zaheermKhertan, what type of external subtitle file is it?
18:28.17Khertanyeah i got it on my n900 so it is :)
18:28.43Khertanzaheerm: don t know ... doznload ... unzip ... use it :)
18:28.48Khertansrt without tag
18:28.58zaheermKhertan, if you can provide me a sample zip, i can get it working
18:29.21zaheermthen you can use the normal media player and hence dsp optimised codecs
18:29.28Khertani ve still some difficulty with the qwerty keyboard as you can see :)
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18:29.59Khertanzaheerm really ? where is the trick ?
18:30.19Khertanzaheerm : yep 2s i got the limk
18:30.27zaheermKhertan, probably no subtitle decoder for your subtitle format installed, so i can build a small package that contains it
18:30.53zaheermi assume same file plays in totem fine on the desktop right?
18:32.13lcukDEVELOPERS: there is a small survey going on on t.m.o, PLEASE fill it in
18:32.14lcukhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33974
18:32.47Khertan~ping
18:32.47infobot~pong
18:34.23Khertanyep work fine with totem
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18:35.19Jaffalcuk: Meh, I'm still on my abstinence kick :-p
18:35.50lcukjaffa, get over it, this thread is useful
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18:36.37Khertanzaheerm i can t provide a direct link : but it s available here : http://www.u-sub.net/sous-titres/stargate-universe-152/saison_1/
18:37.03Khertanselect one and click on 'Telecharger la selection'
18:37.04Jaffalcuk: I've looked; can you refine "useful"?
18:37.15lcukinformative then
18:37.32lcukgood to know what devs are actually doing in one place and where they think they are upto
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18:37.34JaffaMore so than looking at -devel in m.o/p/?
18:38.07lcukall email is a swrawling wasteland filled with viagra ads and junk
18:38.22Jaffameant extras-devel user/ packages
18:38.38lcukyeah tis
18:40.36lcuk:D the best isp throttling comeback ever :D http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1431486&cid=29985272
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18:42.39Khertanhum auto rotation is funny for a code source editor :)
18:43.03Khertanis still trying to found a way to show extension in hildon.FileChooser
18:43.41lcukKhertan, how much worse is gtk filechooser
18:43.46zaheermKhertan, ok so just need to compile the subparse element
18:44.04zaheermKhertan, give me 1/2 an hour and i will put it in extras-devel or something
18:44.22lcuk~zaheerm++
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18:47.13wazdoh my god, news of the week!
18:47.22wazdSony invented "apple" keyboard! http://www.joshua-consulting.fr/forum/AlienWare_X505-1.jpg
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18:47.45Khertan2i m back ...browserd crash
18:47.52lcukwazd, why is there a bullet hole in the middle of it
18:47.52wazdand macbook air eventually
18:48.07wazdlcuk: that's trackpoint
18:48.11wazdhttp://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_mall/stb-leasing/cabinet/item/pcg_x505p.jpg
18:48.13Khertan2lcuk : not useable gtk one display only 3 characters
18:48.21lcukKhertan2, arg
18:48.30Khertan2due to the giant open button theme
18:49.26Khertan2and gtk.recentchooserdialog didn t show anything
18:49.30Khertan2strange
18:50.27Khertan2so an other things to do myself
18:53.00zaheermmy god that post to the poll took a while :)
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19:01.46acidjazzany update on the n900 ship date
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19:03.37w00tacidjazz: what is the last you heard?
19:04.36frals"pr0xyfl00d3r", wow, havent seen a 'cool' nick like that in a while :)
19:05.15VDVsxw00t, I heard, same release date as duke nukem forever ;)
19:05.29VDVsxhides
19:05.49fralsthe question is - will it run duke nukem forever? dealbreaker if not tbh!
19:05.53w00tVDVsx: hehe, i was wondering for a while.
19:06.33VDVsxfrals, oh yeah, will be one of the pre-installed games ;)
19:06.35w00tfrals: sure it will! together with a digital compass so you can duke it out in the real world if you feel like it
19:06.40w00tsnerks
19:06.47lcukVDVsx, of course its the same time, DNF is a launch title on the n900 itself
19:06.59w00tlcuk: shush, you have an n900
19:07.02w00t;)
19:07.15VDVsxhas one too :P
19:07.24w00tputs VDVsx between the crosshairs
19:08.56acidjazzw00t: nothing, all the maemo forum posts just lost the subject
19:09.29VDVsxNov 16, was last I heard
19:09.34acidjazzlcuk: howd you get one?
19:09.36w00tacidjazz: well, nokia uk have been saying that shipping starts on the 9th for about the past 2-3 weeks now
19:09.43acidjazznov 9th?
19:09.46acidjazzooo
19:09.49acidjazzthast not too far
19:09.51zaheermnov 9th for preorders
19:09.56w00tnods
19:09.57zaheermin store probably 14th
19:10.00lcukacidjazz, get one of what?
19:10.04w00tlcuk: n900
19:10.13VDVsxzaheerm, that's Saturday
19:10.14zaheermand other countries 16th
19:10.19VDVsxah
19:10.23acidjazzlcuk: n900
19:10.41lcukneeded one for this: http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/onedotzero-adventures-in-motion-powered-by-nokia-n900/
19:10.43zaheermVDVsx, yah we have no life, saturday and sunday are like work days :)
19:10.49VDVsxlol
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19:11.11w00tis personally considering taking the whole of next week off if it arrives.
19:11.17VDVsxacidjazz, I bet that more than 60% of the people here have n900's
19:11.23lcuknahhh VDVsx
19:11.34zaheermi have bad news for khertan2, the media player needs to actually set the subtitle-uri :(
19:11.39zaheermso you'd need another player ui
19:11.56zaheermeven if i get subparse into extras-devek
19:11.58zaheermdevel
19:12.03lcukzaheerm, at least you tried, is that info able to be documented somewhere
19:12.20lcukwhere it wont be lost
19:12.29zaheermi should do some wiki stuff
19:12.48lcukits a shame you cannot link pages with projects
19:12.54VDVsxlcuk, well, stars + 300 summiters + nokians + contractors + bloggers = a lot of N900's out there ;)
19:12.54lcukin the same way you can link bug reports
19:13.01lcukVDVsx, sure
19:13.17lcukbut 90% of those over there have never said a single word!
19:13.49zaheerm300 summiters, i doubt even 75 are here
19:14.22ccookeThere are 387 people here... but how many of them only lurk?
19:14.23lcuki dont doubt theres a lot
19:14.31wazdVDVsx: not all stars got their n90 btw ;)
19:14.39VDVsxwazd, true :(
19:14.41lcukccooke, i was gonna point you out as a lurker, then you spoke
19:14.53zaheermlcuk, so you didn't get a 2nd n900 at summit did you?
19:15.03lcukno
19:15.05RST38hccooke: most.
19:15.26ccookelcuk: when? now?
19:15.42lcukzaheerm are you nokia emp?
19:15.47lcukyeah lol ccooke
19:15.48zaheermlcuk, nope
19:15.59zaheermlcuk, i'm just a poor gstreamer dev :)
19:16.14zaheermwith an 770, n810 and now n900
19:16.16lcuknot a bad thing to be :)
19:16.27ccookezaheerm: nice collection :-)
19:16.40lcukdo all your devices run
19:16.42RST38hhttp://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/11/saygus-vphone-11-05-09.jpg
19:17.05zaheermthe 770 runs chinook i think, n810 runs diablo, n900 runs fremantle
19:17.36zaheermbut until the n900, i didn't use the devices as much as i would have liked
19:17.47lcukit would be cool to try and get liqbase on 770 one day (more of an effort than 5 minutes at the 2008 summit)
19:17.49ccookezaheerm: what was missing?
19:18.01lcukzaheerm, i use my n900 OUTSIDE!
19:18.04zaheermi got flumotion running on the n810 and used it quite a bit
19:18.22zaheermccooke, cellular connectivity
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19:18.55ccookewould say the n810 is the most successful device he's ever owned. the n900 is better, but might end up being used slightly less.
19:19.11zaheermalso the portability
19:19.25zaheermi prefer the smaller form factor
19:19.28acidjazzVDVsx: how?? where are they getting em?
19:19.45derfzaheerm: Really (about flumotion)?
19:19.56zaheermderf, yah i have it running on my n900 already
19:19.57derfDid you make a package for it?
19:19.58penguinbaitjust notice the browser "tear" is like body fluids and not pronounced like "tare"
19:20.04VDVsxacidjazz, well, Nokia loaned ~300 at the Maemo summit
19:20.08lcukccooke, used less?
19:20.14penguinbaitthank God for little icons
19:20.21acidjazzwhat does loaned mean?
19:20.26acidjazzyou have to like give it back?
19:20.33zaheermderf, no at the time i didn't know how to make a debian package :)
19:20.38zaheermacidjazz, yep, in april
19:20.41Jaffa6 month Product Loan Agreement
19:20.46derfzaheerm: That never stopped anyone else!
19:20.47acidjazzwhat happens if you dont
19:20.49practisevoodoo_lcuk, looks like it does but that the device just isnt supported
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19:21.04lcukpractisevoodoo_, ?
19:21.05zaheermderf, well i plan to make a package for flumotion on fremantle
19:21.10derfExcellent.
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19:21.24goodnightwhen n900 release party?
19:21.28practisevoodoo_lcuk, i asked a question a couple of hours ago, you answered
19:21.43zaheermderf, now i actually know how to make them :)
19:21.47lcuki know that lol, i cant scrollback
19:21.54ccookelcuk: my n810 I used *heavily* as an ebook reader.
19:22.04lcukwhy wont you use this one as such
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19:22.17zaheermmy n810 i used mainly as an ssh client and as a flumotion admin
19:22.24ccookeI'd probably do the same on the n900, but I was given an ereader last week...
19:22.40Jaffaacidjazz: Nokia claim RRP off you? and never loan any again.
19:23.00lcukwants liqbase to operate collaboratively http://liqbase.net/double_tiny.JPG
19:23.09lcukbook reader panning over multiple.  droooool
19:23.11ccookeand while I can't use it in the dark, it's *much* nicer to read than any LCD could be.
19:23.14lcukand everything else in liqbase
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19:23.19JaffaIs FBReader Fremantle compatible yet? (properly, I mean)
19:23.25ccookeheh
19:23.35ccookethat would be awful to read on the tube, though :-)
19:23.47lcukccooke, not really, change the orientation as you like
19:23.50ccookeI must admit, carrying an epaper device and the n900 is giving me ideas, though
19:24.02lcukyeah touchable kindle sounds good
19:24.19ccookelcuk: holding two devices together, in a confined space? Even with hands my size, they'd get dropped :-)
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19:24.31lcuklol ccooke thats just the principle :P
19:24.32ccookeI'm starting to think of some ideas for the future
19:24.32zaheermJaffa, congrats btw Hermes -> extras
19:24.46lcukccooke, ive wanted to combine devices for a while
19:25.16lcukive been thinking about it more and more recently, having things like code edit in one, designer on another and running on third
19:26.16Jaffazaheerm: thanks :)
19:26.41ccookelcuk: I'm thinking about combining different devices together
19:27.00lcuk^
19:27.10ccookeepaper devices are great for reading: they're a large size. They're low power, easy to read.
19:27.30ccookethe n900 is a wonderful communicator
19:27.34ccookeit's a control device
19:27.56lcukcool
19:28.08ccookeSo: I want a wifi-enabled epaper device, so I can use it in tandem with the n900
19:28.12zaheermJaffa, not sure if anyone has asked you...i have 2 contacts with the same name (diff people) in my contacts (also same in Facebook), one of those's photos got put in both my contacts. is there a way in the summary for undoing an auto-merge to handle this kinda issue?
19:28.34ccookeYou've seen the new stuff in mobile firefox, with weave?
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19:28.54ccookesharing bookmarks between the mobile and desktop firefox.
19:29.04ccookeSomething like that, but local and immediate.
19:29.23lcuknods
19:29.24ccooke(local in addition to the sync with remote servers)
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19:30.02ccookethat basically means a shared locally networked storage area - PAN style, whether bluetooth or via wifi.
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19:30.50lcukdont like bluetooth
19:30.56ccookeand an app on each device logging what they've looked at to the shared storage.
19:31.14ccookenor do I exactly, but it's the best current option.
19:31.37lcukkindle has 3g, does it have wifi too?
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19:31.40ccookeno
19:31.55ccookebut there are ereaders with wifi. Some have bluetooth as well or instead
19:32.09ccookeI've been playing around with the ereader this week and thinking of options.
19:32.39ccookehttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/06/bebook-2-e-reader-revealed-and-in-the-wild-at-cebit-2009/
19:32.42ccookeThat's one.
19:32.49ccookeit's supposed to have 3g, too
19:34.17lcukso which have you been playing with
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19:35.38ccookeI have a prs-505. Not too new, but hey - didn't have to pay for it. And it's a good size and weight.
19:36.42ccookeit's goodd enough for me to realise I'll be buying a better one when I can afford to. And when I do, I'm hoping I'll be able to find one that the n900 can order around :-)
19:37.23ccookeof course, that does mean thinking up an interface that makes sense for it. On the n900 side, that's probably a browser extension
19:37.38ccookerealises he's entirely killed the conversation here. Oops, sorry :-)
19:38.33lcukno i went looking at the bebook
19:38.33Shapeshifterany good news everyone?
19:38.33lcukvery interesting
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19:38.46zaheermlcuk, dumped some basic stuff here http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Installing_codecs_for_files_that_don%27t_play_in_Media_Player
19:39.08ccookelcuk: I'll put some thought into it over the next few months. It's very much a "wait for the hardware to be ready" idea
19:39.27lcukzaheerm, :D coool
19:39.39lcukccooke, if you wait till its ready to start hacking for it ..
19:39.53ccookelcuk: did I say that? :-)
19:39.55lcukmake your plan, use it on the tech you have (n900)
19:40.10lcukand see if it works and use it on ultiple platforms
19:40.11fralsbashes head against programming assignments in this java course.. step 1: implement client-server model over tcp. step 2: throw it all away and make it udp-multicast
19:40.12lcuklol
19:40.31lcuklol frals
19:40.54ccookelcuk: no, I'll be looking around very carefully for hardware that might support it... and if all else fails, I've got a few tabs open with parts costs for an epaper display.
19:40.59lcukbetter than me, i was asked to use udp to save bandwidth after i made a tcp app
19:41.10frals:D
19:41.12lcukthen i was asked to put delivery checking and retries
19:41.15lcuk*facepalm*
19:42.06ccookelcuk: so you quite reasonably used a tcp-in-udp encapsulation, right? :-)
19:42.34lcukccooke, i was very tempted to just revert the tcp transport
19:42.46fralslol lcuk :D
19:42.58ccookelcuk: udp *does* have some advantages sstill
19:43.20lcukit does in some scenarios
19:43.28GeneralAntillesandre__, File manager?
19:43.29ccookeProbably none that the people giving you work to do understood, mind, but some :-)
19:43.48ccookelcuk: the main one being nat traversal, which probably doesn't apply in this case?
19:44.04lcukccooke, what OS are you planning on using for the ebook side
19:44.09sp3000romaxa: eh, I'm wrong actually -- current greasemonkey does install fine, I probably had both edition fighting each other before or something
19:44.14ccooke(hmm: http://www.loopygadgets.com/brother-sv-100b-bluetooth-e-reader/ )
19:44.27lcukno ccooke it was all on the same subnet
19:44.56sp3000romaxa: but the script install ui does fail to launch from either a userscript or the ext settings
19:44.59lcukand the nat traversal is a hack isnt it
19:45.08ccookelcuk: if I end up butchering a device for it... I'll probably use a Mer base with custom GUI.
19:45.11lcukflood the router from both ends
19:45.39lcukproviding you can get x11 on there
19:45.41ccookelcuk: no fllooding required, actually.
19:46.36RST38h! The Brothers Grimm on TV !
19:47.02ccookethe nat traversal method usually requires a server somewhere that both ends can talk to, but if you know the IP address of both ends you can get it working with... say, one packet every minute or so in both directions, just to keep the connection up.
19:47.13lcuki am vanishing anyway.  nice chattin with you as usual charles, cyas all later \o
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19:48.51ccookesee you
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19:50.36derfUDP is useful for real-time communication.
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19:51.17derfWhere retransmission would just be a waste of bandwidth, because the data would be stale by the time it arrived anyway.
19:51.28ccookeyes.
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19:55.24Stskeepsnotes there's a lot of danes coming by this channel.
19:56.40w00tyes, far too many.
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19:59.49AndrewFBlackyou know making a finger friendly website for n900 that looks good on other mobiles devices is hard
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20:04.29Stskeepshates cross-compilation toolchains.
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20:34.55fiferboyHow come just when Jaffa and GeneralAntilles lay off t.m.o it starts getting a record number of visitors?
20:35.24aSIMULAturgood evening maemoystava
20:35.57Stskeepsfiferboy: ow
20:35.58Stskeeps:P
20:36.02Stskeepsevening aSIMULAtur
20:36.16fiferboyHi aSIMULA*
20:36.38AndrewFBlackI'm going to regreat this but I have 8 google wave invites if anyone wants one /msg me
20:37.19CutMeOwnThroatwtf is google wave
20:37.26CutMeOwnThroatI find it confusing to google for google services
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20:37.43w00thttp://wave.google.com
20:37.49AndrewFBlackkinda of a colaboration software
20:37.53w00tthat wasn't so hard, was it? :p
20:38.02AndrewFBlackmaemo.org has a wave now also if anyone has wave and wnts to be added to it
20:38.14w00tAndrewFBlack: pick me, pick me
20:38.16Milo-Which Qt version does Maemo support?
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20:38.25aSIMULAturooh google wave i'd like an invite :)
20:38.26Milo-4.5?
20:38.35AndrewFBlackwoot 7 left /msg me your email
20:38.47lcuki have an invite somewhere
20:38.47w00taSIMULAtur: i'd send you one if I had one
20:38.48fiferboyMilo-: Currenty 4.5.3
20:38.51AndrewFBlacksame aSIMULAtur
20:38.54lcuknever bothered
20:38.55Milo-fiferboy thanks
20:38.59fiferboyMilo-: 4.6 coming Q1 2010
20:39.01aSIMULAtur:)
20:39.06aSIMULAturhow is everyone, long time no speak
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20:39.34Milo-fiferboy yeah, but it will be backwards compatible with 4.5 application, I hope?
20:39.37CutMeOwnThroatw00t, it was more, kind of, like, rhetorical, you know :)
20:39.44Milo-they can't change it THAT much :P
20:39.47Stskeepsdecent, waiting to see if n900 actually gets released in some days or not :P
20:40.04CutMeOwnThroatw00t, just expressing my disbelieve in the multitude of google services
20:40.15Milo-I think they pushed the release date to December now :P
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20:40.29fiferboyMilo-: It should run anything from 4.0 on
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20:40.45fiferboyMilo-: And there are 3.x compatibility libraries (but I have never tried those out)
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20:40.58Stskeepsfinland coming back online or there was a outage somewhere? :P
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20:41.13Milo-I'm from finland, and I didn't die :)
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20:41.26AndrewFBlack5 left if no one here wants them I'll just pick people from t.m.o who wantsthem
20:41.28Stskeepscos the amount of finns coming in right now is worrying ;)
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20:41.56fiferboyStskeeps: You're right.  That's a lot of .fi joining the channel
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20:42.25fralsAndrewFBlack: still got a wave-invite?
20:42.37Milo-*wonders if he should use Qt to get html-page, or use C++
20:43.00AndrewFBlackfrals yeah
20:43.51luke-jrMilo-: huh?
20:44.01luke-jrC++ has no support for HTTP/HTML
20:44.11inzAndrew, I'd like one too
20:44.13Milo-just figured that out
20:44.18Milo-Boost does..
20:44.49AndrewFBlackinz, send me your email
20:44.56Milo-qt it is!
20:45.12luke-jrMilo-: Boost isn't C++
20:45.19Milo-I know
20:45.25luke-jryet
20:45.27luke-jr:p
20:45.29Milo-hopefully most of it will be soon :)
20:45.32luke-jranyhow, I'd stick to one language
20:45.36luke-jrQt or C++
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20:46.25Milo-the user interface has to be made in Qt anyways
20:46.40Milo-so I guess I'll use that..
20:46.56luke-jrMilo-: please consider writing a library or CLI app first, and a GUI in Qt for that ;P
20:48.26Milo-even a CLI would fail since I need to download a certain webpage for that.
20:50.26Milo-or I could write a python application and then use qt bindings to show the data
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20:55.01VDVsxaSIMULAtur, still need a invite for wave ? :P
20:55.54aepyou got some? oO
20:56.39VDVsxah ok, AndrewFBlack also have some ;)
20:56.53aSIMULAturVDVsx: andrew gave me one i think! :) still haven't gotten it yet...but thanks for hte offer mr same-surname :D
20:57.05VDVsxlol
20:57.18VDVsxaSIMULAtur, it takes about a week, afailk
20:57.24VDVsx*afaik
20:57.33aepVDVsx: would you send one to me?
20:58.05VDVsxaep, sure, send me your e-amil in pm
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20:58.56AndrewFBlackVDVsx, I have 3 left
20:59.10AndrewFBlackfunny thing is until now i havn't heard of 2 generation users getting invites
20:59.44VDVsxAndrewFBlack, I was a GSoC mentor ;)
20:59.58VDVsxGSoC = Google summer of code
21:01.37aSIMULAturoh, quite long!
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21:19.08GeneralAntillesfiferboy, I feel so much better.
21:19.55fiferboyGeneralAntilles: How's that?
21:20.11GeneralAntillesfiferboy, same way I felt better after I unsubscribed from -users. ;)
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21:20.33fiferboyGeneralAntilles: Ah!  I never subscribed to -users, so I don't know that joy
21:20.51GeneralAntillesfiferboy, loading up Talk to stress myself out every 15 minutes wasn't fun.
21:21.30fiferboyGeneralAntilles: It has all changed since you left.  Everything there is really good now.  You should go and see for yourself...
21:21.39derfIt's unclear to me why anyone would ever do either.
21:21.50GeneralAntillesputs a fork slowly into fiferboy's eye.
21:22.05fiferboyOkay, I deserved that
21:22.15fiferboySomeone has to try it, since qwerty12 isn't around
21:22.27qwerty12_N900slaps fiferboy.
21:22.33b-man17lol
21:22.36lcukhaha
21:22.41fiferboyI didn't deserve that!
21:22.59fiferboyHow am I to know you have been lurking here for 16 hours waiting for someone to mention your name??
21:24.27GeneralAntillesOh, Comcast is getting more awesome!
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21:24.51ShadowJKGeneralAntilles, always innovating new ways to screw you over eh
21:25.11GeneralAntillesI love how their slogan has become synonymous with useless crap.
21:26.50ShadowJKeverytime I visit the DX website looking for something I get scared by random stuff, either in: a) they MAKE things like that? or b) How can you ship THAT /from/ china at that price?
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21:27.04qwerty12_N900laughs at lcuk's empty "Barcamp Manchester this weekend!!" thread. Empty... pretty much sums up Manchester
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21:27.53ShadowJKthere's something seriously fucked up when you can get Cat5e cable via AIRMAIL from China cheaper than at a local shop
21:28.17dmj7262ShadowJK, really?
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21:28.30StskeepsShadowJK: local shops are always overpriced
21:28.54dmj7262Does that include cat5e spools to make it yourself?
21:29.28ShadowJKI was looking at readymade cables
21:29.41ShadowJKor rather, accidentally stumbled on them whilst looking for a non-davicom usb ethernet adapter
21:29.51dmj7262that the readymade ones are overpriced isn't surprising
21:29.51lcukqwerty12_N900, i tend to agree right now
21:30.06lcuk:P get yourself up to manchester
21:30.59Stskeepsstarts the 13th toolchain compilation of the day.
21:31.15lcukyikes Stskeeps
21:31.22javispedrosince every gcc compiles itself twice or thrice, I guess its more like the 100th compilation of the day :)
21:31.32qwerty12_N900Stskeeps, it shouldn't be you doing it..
21:32.06lcukwhy shouldnt it
21:32.33javispedrohe should be spamming the TI 3D drivers guy for us instead >:)
21:33.03lcuk+1
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21:33.34lcukello again MoonTiger
21:33.47lcukwe are coming your way soon!
21:34.11qwerty12_N900Hint: Run
21:34.31javispedrois planning to do the same
21:34.32lcukshutup pinocchio
21:35.01javispedrothe seychelles islands seem far enough.
21:35.34Dantonichello
21:35.39javispedrohiyo!
21:35.50Dantonichow goes it?
21:35.58javispedrois enjoying the FAST and BLUE SDK
21:36.12qwerty12_N900Ey up, there
21:36.47Dantonicjaivispedro what's the FAST and BLUE?
21:37.14javispedroFAST=3d accelerated, BLUE=without the weird colors bug
21:37.44javispedrois happy because of that. did I repeat that enough times?
21:37.45qwerty12_N900Poor man's N900? =)
21:37.49Stskeepswhat fixed the colors problem?
21:38.20DantonicI want an N900 damn it!
21:38.23javispedroStskeeps: more like workarounded. Clutter GLX applied some conversion on pixmaps before uploading them to GL because it wrongly assumed it couldn't send RGB565 "as is".
21:38.55Dantonicmy N800 is taking a royal DUMP!
21:38.56lcukoptimization as well as fixes too!
21:39.08Stskeepsjavispedro: report as a bug?
21:39.10javispedrolcuk: take 2 pay 1!
21:39.18lcukremoval of conversion have any speedups?
21:39.21javispedrobug #4870
21:39.23povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 Red & blue color channels swapped sometimes in SDK
21:39.25javispedrolcuk: a lot
21:39.29javispedrospecially when using VMGL
21:39.33lcukf'ckin A!
21:39.39lcuknice one
21:39.43javispedrosince it's sending half the data through the loopback interface
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21:43.13dmj7262oh, was that why blue and orange flicker in the browser?
21:43.13javispedrolcuk: of course, it does not speedup the device. on GLES it is assumed it'll handle 5_6_5
21:43.19javispedrodmj7261: exactly.
21:43.41dmj7262ah...I thought that was weird.
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21:44.23lcukjavispedro, i know its not on the device, but optimizations tot he sdk that many people have said performs badly is a good thing (TM)
21:44.40lcukand enough of them mean you can use laptop for longer :D
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21:45.07javispedrothe greatest speedup comes from using vmgl.
21:45.29javispedrofixing this while still using the software renderer will have a measly improvement.
21:46.07javispedro(aka 2x of very slow = very slow ;) )
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21:46.42zaheerm-lphomeasvs_, evening :)
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21:51.41tekonivelcan't wait for n900 (i guess nobody can), my n95 is driving me up the wall
21:51.49wazdsome retro concept: http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/0911/7d/f39db42d5c70.png
21:52.16javispedroargh :)
21:52.23SpeedEvilwazd: And it fades the station in over 40s.
21:52.45javispedroway too retro for my liking
21:52.49tekonivelmet two ppl today who have the device. the other had been to the summit, the other works for nokia
21:53.06javispedrotekonivel: and you didn't kill any of them?
21:53.06tekoniveldid anyone of you know that Nokia is a small town in Finland btw?
21:53.16Stskeepsyes :P
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21:53.33Stskeepsi still regret not getting nokian rubber boots when i saw them getting sold in HEL
21:53.35javispedroyes, known for their public utility problems
21:53.37Stskeeps:P
21:53.42tekoniveland they make tyres. i've got a Nokia studded tyre for my bike (i should install it btw, today was icy in the morning)
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21:53.59wazdthey have two separate brands
21:54.00tekonivelalso, back in the day "a nokia" was a batong the cops used to use
21:54.02wazdnokiaN and nokia
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21:54.27Stskeepswazd: still fun :P
21:54.29tekonivelStskeeps: those boots are great!
21:54.40wazdalso nokia makes TV's
21:54.51tekonivelStskeeps: everyone here has a pair, we've had them since childhood
21:55.03Stskeepsis happy about the mumin cup he bought though
21:55.19tekonivelwazd: all this electronics is relatively new to them
21:55.20lcukdidnt have time for shopping last time he was in hel
21:55.23wazdhttp://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/18/82/4b/nokia-tv.jpg :D
21:55.36wazdyeah, I can see some oled stuff here :D
21:55.37lcukits the first city i cant actually remember much about
21:55.43tekonivelwell, they made fixed line modems and other network things in the 1980s
21:55.48qwerty12_N900wazd: Nokia made one of the best Cable recievers ever: DBOX2
21:56.09wazdalso they chop wood :D
21:56.19tekonivellcuk: lol
21:56.33tekonivelStskeeps: oh the moomin cups...
21:56.54tekonivelStskeeps: that's a bit of a phenomenon in certain circles.. ;) ;) ;)
21:57.06qwerty12_N900lcuk: I bet the chopping of your finger must've cut time short
21:57.12qwerty12_N900OK, horrible joke
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21:57.35lcukyeah that was a bit crap :P
21:57.39lcukeven by your standards
21:58.09tekonivelStskeeps: girl couples might go ring the doorbell of the dude next door or some friend with a moomin cup, in the pursuit of getting a kid
21:58.21javispedrohow to programmatically get the xid of a window I just created?
21:58.31javispedroerr... in a bash script :)
21:58.55Stskeepstekonivel: scary
21:59.30lcuklol @ Stskeeps now buying a hoard of them and filling his windowsill in the hopes of lesbian groupies converging on his pad
22:00.45tekonivelperhaps it's a good idea to remind oneself that lesbians are into girls, no matter how many moomin cups one has ;)
22:01.10tekonivel:^)
22:01.19tekonivelbut this was not why i came here
22:01.28lcuklol indeed
22:01.40tekonivelthe reason is that i saw some people with n900s, but i didn't stab them in the head
22:01.52tekoniveli'm not sure what got into me!
22:02.01lcukwhere bouts are you? hel or outlying?
22:02.06tekonivellcuk: helsinki
22:02.34tekonivelmy n95 keeps randomly loosing programs i've installed
22:02.36lcukcool, has the weather closed in fully then, or just a bit icy
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22:03.03tekoniveli even paid for vBag, but i haven't seen in it in the menus this week
22:04.21lcuki somehow keep managing to randomly wipe my desktops, ive had it unlocked in pocket and it seems quite adept at self cleansing
22:04.23tekonivelit shouldn't be like this
22:04.28wazdok, back to my miserable life again, cya chaps
22:04.38tekonivelwazd: cya
22:04.43lcukcya wazd
22:04.49javispedrocy wazd
22:05.36lcukwe need to be able to save desktop layouts :)
22:05.47lcukselect them from profiles
22:05.48tekoniveland i installed Qik once, it vanished and now i cannot reinstall it
22:06.23tekonivelsrsly, vbag nor qik are *not* on this phone, anywhere in the menus
22:06.32zaheerm-lpi don;t know where in my rules file to put maemo-optify
22:06.36lcukcan you delete menu items
22:06.37zaheerm-lpi don't have dh_gencontrol
22:06.45fralsmy n95 has started acting up as well, i think it knows its about to be replaced :(
22:06.56qwerty12_N900zaheerm: is it a CDBS rules file?
22:06.56javispedromy cx75 broke yesterday
22:06.59tekonivelcould i pls hibernate until n900 hits the market? pretty pls
22:07.17javispedrothe lcd cable broke and all it shows is a white screen
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22:07.24zaheerm-lpqwerty12_N900, ya
22:07.30javispedroso it seems the pre-n900 syndrome is not for nokia phones only.
22:07.52javispedrorealizes his CX75 is in WSoD!
22:09.02qwerty12_N900zaheerm: I shoved it in package-name/binary-install:: (something like that; I hate CDBS) for the Droid Sans fonts
22:09.23zaheerm-lpqwerty12_N900, interesting idea
22:10.12qwerty12_N900binary-install/ttf-droid::
22:10.20javispedroqwerty12_N900: so if you have cdbs why you use it? >:)
22:10.24javispedros/have/hate
22:10.29qwerty12_N900<tab>maemo-optify
22:10.45zaheerm-lpqwerty12_N900, inside rules right:
22:11.11qwerty12_N900javispedro: Package from Ubuntu was using it and I really did not see the point of switching just for some fonts :)
22:11.15qwerty12_N900zaheerm: yep
22:11.36zaheerm-lpwhats diff between binary-install and install ?
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22:12.24lcuk11101010 00101101 00101010 10010101 01010101 01011111
22:12.34lcukor do you need more info?
22:12.36zaheerm-lpi know what binary is :P
22:12.36qwerty12_N900Stuff in binary-install gets looked at after stuff like dh_install has been ran. Not sure how this differs to install come think of it...
22:13.28mikkov__binary-predeb/ puts is closer to dh_gencontrol, but it doesn't seem matter
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22:16.46zaheerm-lpqwerty12_N900, thx i built my optified gst-ffmpeg inside my sbox, now to upload it to extras-devel
22:17.17qwerty12_N900Awesome. Thanks! :)
22:18.59zaheerm-lpwill save me 5MB on my device too :)
22:23.12zaheerm-lpthere is a thread with 116 pages on t.m.o
22:23.18zaheerm-lpthat is crazy
22:23.49javispedro"only" 116 pages
22:26.12zaheerm-lp:)
22:26.32lcukshouild add a posting time delay based on the size of the thread
22:26.32javispedrorealizes blurring does not work using vmgl
22:26.54javispedrodamn! this time sink is even more hungry
22:26.56lcukbalance it so by the time you get to 50 pages the delay is just shy of a millenium
22:28.37qwerty12_N900This a good time to mention that you can increase the amount of posts shown per page?
22:28.59zaheerm-lpis there a way to check from an installled pkg which repo it came from?
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22:33.20qwerty12_N900thanks _|Nix|_ for Notification Area
22:33.45wiretappedzaheerm-lp: apt-cache policy pkgname
22:34.13zaheerm-lpwiretapped, thx
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22:35.12ShadowJKlcuk, that's a good way to spawn hundreds of threads on the same subject
22:35.30wiretappedbtw, dpkg doesn't know where packages where installed pacakges actually came from
22:35.47wiretappedapt-cache policy merely tells you what versions are available where, and what is installed
22:35.48zaheerm-lpdamn pkg is in a repo in downloads.maemo.nokia.com
22:35.51lcukShadowJK, and thats different to now?
22:35.59zaheerm-lpi wanted to edit the package
22:36.07wiretappeds/where packages//
22:36.16lcukmany forums have a posting limit
22:36.29wiretappedzaheerm-lp: why damn?
22:36.48SpeedEvilhttp://www.thelocal.se/21842/20090902/
22:36.51SpeedEviloops
22:37.01zaheerm-lpi can't see the index pages on that web page, no idea how to d/l the src package
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22:38.00wiretappedif it is a proper repo with a src repo, you can duplicate its line in sources.list and s/deb/deb-src/ and apt-get update and apt-get source pkgname
22:38.22zaheerm-lpwiretapped: interesting
22:38.22wiretappedbut it'd be surprised if *.nokia.com was proper like that :/
22:38.26zaheerm-lpthx
22:38.26ShadowJKlcuk, i guess you need moderators willing to merge threads :/
22:38.27wiretappedI'd be
22:38.35zaheerm-lpi'll try
22:38.40lcukyikes i hate merged threads
22:38.56lcukit gets more confusing than discussing same thing in multiple places
22:39.12qwerty12_N900It does?
22:39.56qwerty12_N900sjgadsby has been merging a lot of threads recently. 'Tis useful
22:42.55Jaffazaheerm: sorry for the late reply, semi-known issue. If you could raise a bug that'd be fantastic as I've got questions about such a usecase
22:43.18Jaffais not an N97 fan, btw
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22:44.02JaffaReceived one today (not with the new OS AFAICT) and it's so clunky and primitive.
22:46.36lcukJaffa, the tilting hardware is nice tho
22:46.38lcukis it a mini>?
22:46.54Jaffalcuk: no, fullsize
22:47.05lcuknods
22:47.14lcuki like the mini, got to play with one in london
22:47.23Jaffakeyboard's not as good as N900, it's a little bigger and a lot lighter
22:47.41lcuki quite like the idea of getting maemo on it tbh
22:47.52GAN900Booklet 3G's keys are too small.
22:47.59qwerty12_N900Is the layout just as odd as the N900's, Jaffa?
22:48.02lcukyou got one?
22:48.27lcukqwerty12_N900, afaik its pretty similar
22:48.51GAN900Tried one at Best Buy last night.
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22:49.07Jaffaqwerty12_N900: Similar. Blue arrow on right is a problem for me as a lefty.
22:49.12GAN900Build quality is great. Minus the trackpad buttons and the keyboard.
22:49.21JaffaAnyone know the UK launch date of the booklet?
22:49.36zaheerm-lpbuilt on my scratchbox fine failed on autobuilder :( maemo-optify
22:49.36zaheerm-lpprint() on closed filehandle $out at /usr/bin/maemo-optify line 220.
22:49.36zaheerm-lpprint() on closed filehandle $out at /usr/bin/maemo-optify line 183.Bad file descriptor at /usr/bin/maemo-optify line 240.
22:49.38GAN900Tried a Sholes dummy unit.
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22:49.43JaffaGAN900: I had a brief play at NokiaWorld and thought the kb wasn't bad
22:49.49GAN900The slide tried to cut my fingers.
22:49.54qwerty12_N900Jaffa: The real problem, here, is being a lefty in the first place ;p
22:50.03GAN900Jaffa, too much space between keys.
22:50.07JaffaI wouldn't pay the 500gbp for one
22:50.13GAN900Keys should've been larger.
22:50.24zaheerm-lpn97 has crappy hardware in comparison
22:50.44GAN900qwerty12, indeed. It certainly explains a lot, though. ;)
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22:50.58Jaffaqwerty12_N900: :-p
22:51.13GAN900The dpad on the Sholes is not only ugly, it's useless.
22:51.58Jaffahas considered trying the N97 as his main phone for a few days, but I dunno...
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22:53.17GAN900Jaffa, over the N900? ;)
22:53.22zaheerm-lpdifferent version of maemo-optify on autobuilder to one in my sbox..no line 220 in my maemo-optify
22:53.38JaffaGAN900: thought I'd give it a fair go
22:53.58Jaffazaheerm-lp: m-vo's been making changes. mail maemo-developers
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22:54.12zaheerm-lpthe thing i miss on my e71 is the keyboard
22:54.15Jaffagoes to settle the baby, then sleep
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22:55.35zaheerm-lpJaffa, night
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23:26.50dmj7262Anybody looked at porting a simplified version of a video editor?
23:27.12dmj7262...say openshot...that's in python using gstreamer I think.
23:27.20zaheerm-lpdmj7261, that's the stuff i put up on t.m.o
23:27.38zaheerm-lpthe hardest part to get right in a video editor is the UI
23:28.09zaheerm-lpthe backend stuff gstreamer with gnonlin does a lot of the work for you
23:28.44zaheerm-lpso i wouldn't port a video editor, more work on a UI concept that would fit the device
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23:29.00zaheerm-lpthen get that coded up and hook up the gst/gnl logic
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23:35.21lcukgulps
23:36.20dmj7262hmm
23:36.33lcukzaheerm, dmj7261 the barca conf :)
23:36.51lcuksee what work they are doing in the mirror app
23:37.03zaheerm-lpyah i just mentioned it 1/2 hr ago in the barca conf thread
23:37.08lcukyeah i know
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23:37.13lcukhence the smile
23:37.25lcukits a great idea and advances from the cocreation stuff
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23:39.04lcukzaheerm, i wonder..
23:39.04dmj7262oh and add music!
23:39.08zaheerm-lpdmj7262, yep
23:39.37lcukmusic would be good, to expand on theramin :)
23:39.44lcukhes got a server infrastructure
23:40.11lcukuse that as a base layer and make a band app :P
23:40.44dmj7262get multiple n900s together for an n900 orchestra!
23:41.00lcukdmj7261 :) thats my dept
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23:41.28zaheerm-lpthe speakers at least are decent-ish on the n900
23:41.36zaheerm-lpunlike most phones
23:41.39lcukvery sideways oriented tho
23:41.51zaheerm-lpyah
23:41.53lcukfor personal listening some bat ear deflector diskes are needed
23:42.00lcuki didnt have headphones on the train
23:42.03zaheerm-lplol
23:42.10lcukand couldnt hear it unless i cupped hands
23:42.20lcukto bounce the sound towards me
23:42.36lcukwas tryin not to have it loud enough
23:42.40lcukto bug ppl
23:42.55lcukfolding arms infront was good enough
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23:43.22dmj7262at least the n900 has speakers loud enough where you're trying to conceal the sound!
23:43.37dmj7262I have the opposite problem on my eee pc 900
23:43.54zaheerm-lpdmj7262, and my asus u6s 12" laptop too!
23:44.32lcukdmj7261, it was on very low at the edge of hearing unless i cupped hands
23:44.48lcukand then its volume went up enough, the sound was just vanishing towards the rest of the train
23:45.20lcuki couldv turned it up much more!
23:45.59lcuki thought about keesj's push button and if it had the correctly shaped sides it would deflect sound better
23:47.56dmj7262looks like the iphone has a video editor
23:47.59zaheerm-lptime for me to sleep i think
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23:49.00dmj7262look up reeldirector
23:51.49dmj7262no audio editing capabilities though

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