| 00:02.06 | lbt | night all |
| 00:02.21 | lcuk | gnite lbt |
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| 00:37.41 | zerojay | is gonna post on the thread on which you don't post! Oooooohhhh!! |
| 00:38.27 | Stskeeps | and i thought the pre-launch paranoia was bad.. |
| 00:39.13 | zerojay | It's allll so retarded. |
| 00:42.28 | airstrike | i love these portuguese names :P |
| 00:43.04 | Stskeeps | at least we can all agree with lbts blog post on ovi maps.. |
| 00:43.19 | zerojay | I don't. |
| 00:43.29 | zerojay | Except for what he says about the UI. |
| 00:43.49 | Stskeeps | UI confuses the hell out of me |
| 00:44.02 | zerojay | I used Ovi Maps all weekend long in a city I've never been too before and never had any issues with it... worked fine, always knew where I was. |
| 00:44.16 | zerojay | But the UI breaking with the standards across the rest of the OS just sucks. |
| 00:44.45 | zerojay | It's got other issues too... and feels like a mishmash of scripts and rather hacked together |
| 00:45.50 | zerojay | Hmm.. did that "don't post here" thread get deleted? |
| 00:45.53 | Stskeeps | i wouldnt mind it if it just started with "here is a map. here are you. zoom here or on vol buttons. click here to find a route or look up an address. |
| 00:46.27 | zerojay | It is like that, it's just that it's not easy to tell. |
| 00:46.42 | zerojay | We're conditioned that the top right corner = close or go back. |
| 00:46.57 | Stskeeps | i am considering to submit the ui to my usability professor. |
| 00:47.01 | zerojay | In maps, it brings you to routing/look up. |
| 00:47.16 | zerojay | There's so many little random issues all over it. |
| 00:47.29 | zerojay | That said... once you learn it, it works fine for the most part. |
| 00:49.27 | Stskeeps | i just want maemo mapper back i guess :P |
| 00:49.41 | Stskeeps | even with some of the insane issues it has |
| 00:50.31 | lcuk | can original "maps" from n810 run on here |
| 00:50.31 | zerojay | eiffel's little "no thanks from me" threat is laughable. |
| 00:50.39 | zerojay | Time to see if he'll follow through. :P |
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| 00:58.43 | Stskeeps | poor ari.. the angry mob has spread to his blog |
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| 01:01.02 | wurtog | evening, maemo 5 is installable on nokia 810 ? |
| 01:01.36 | Stskeeps | no, |
| 01:01.51 | Stskeeps | ~mer |
| 01:01.51 | infobot | methinks mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer |
| 01:02.04 | Stskeeps | we arent day to day usable yet, but. |
| 01:02.17 | wurtog | second question: there is some enhanced keyboard for maemo ? i want one with bigger letters to tip (fat fingers) |
| 01:02.23 | zerojay | posted on the thread that should not be! |
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| 01:02.57 | Stskeeps | wurtog: thumb keyboard? |
| 01:04.20 | lcuk | wurtog, you can add a bluetooth fullsize keyboard if you like |
| 01:04.21 | wurtog | Stskeeps, how i install it ? |
| 01:04.52 | Stskeeps | oh, you mean physical keyboard? |
| 01:05.00 | wurtog | there isnt nothing like: http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u110/ichmoimeyo/zeroWeightKeyboard_00.jpg |
| 01:05.14 | Stskeeps | thats called a n900. my fat fingers were never happier. |
| 01:05.19 | wurtog | Stskeeps, no, i want a digital one. but with bigger buttos. my fingers are fat. |
| 01:05.31 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 01:05.51 | zerojay | Stskeeps: Agreed. |
| 01:05.55 | Stskeeps | enable virtual keyboard and select always launch thumb |
| 01:06.09 | Stskeeps | in settings |
| 01:07.09 | wurtog | Stskeeps, works for 810 ? |
| 01:08.13 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 01:09.33 | wurtog | Stskeeps, thanks buddy |
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| 01:21.33 | fureddo | Is there someone here who have used the maemo-optify before? |
| 01:24.26 | fureddo | The README mentions that it should be used like this: maemo-optify PACKAGE DIR. I wonder if I have to put the version number or not for the PACKAGE parameter. Is it important or not really? |
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| 01:41.29 | uhsf | is it possible to use a splitter/adapter with the Nokia N900 in order to use independent earphones and microphone for answering a call? |
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| 02:08.05 | Analias | could someone explain the relationship between git.maemo.org and stage.maemo.org to me? Which one is the "official" source for the current release(s) of projects. I'm interested in working with the latest stable releases and using them in an OE build of Angstrom on the mini2440. |
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| 02:30.40 | GeneralAntilles | Analias, then you want git |
| 02:31.43 | Analias | ok - I still see very recent checkins on the SVN side - are there still projects that exist only in SVN that are core components? |
| 02:32.04 | GeneralAntilles | I believe so |
| 02:32.14 | GeneralAntilles | Not entirely certain what's migrated and what hasn't. |
| 02:32.42 | Analias | is there a "map"? I assume the build tools have to know where to go. |
| 02:33.12 | GeneralAntilles | There was a GSoC project to import everything into OE. |
| 02:33.16 | GeneralAntilles | You may want to look at that. |
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| 02:33.39 | GeneralAntilles | Honestly, though, there's no way you're going to get the most recent Maemo 5 stuff running well on an ARM9. :) |
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| 02:35.44 | Analias | I found it and I'm using it, but it's lagging behind and many of the referenced source files have disappeared, been replace, or moved at repository.maemo.org. I'm still using it as a basis, but I would like to build an overlay for OE/Angstrom that uses the most stable code right of the repository without relying on the source tar balls at repository.maemo.org. -- Does all of this seem like the right path to take? |
| 02:36.34 | GeneralAntilles | Doesn't seem unreasonably, but I'm probably not one of the best people to ask. ;) |
| 02:36.49 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, lbt or johnx are probably better. |
| 02:37.08 | lcuk | Analias, speak to rkirti |
| 02:37.13 | lcuk | as well |
| 02:37.26 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure if she's still hanging around. |
| 02:37.38 | GeneralAntilles | GSoC, unfortunately, rarely sticks. |
| 02:37.39 | lcuk | yeah she is :) |
| 02:37.47 | Analias | when are they on typically? - oh definitely I'll talk to rkirti |
| 02:37.49 | lcuk | just not everyday |
| 02:37.57 | lcuk | mail her |
| 02:38.02 | GeneralAntilles | Analias, lbt and Stskeeps are on European time |
| 02:38.03 | lcuk | should be easy to find |
| 02:38.05 | lcuk | she will come |
| 02:38.08 | GeneralAntilles | johnx is West Coast USA. |
| 02:38.54 | pupnik | what project provides serverless p2p open source voice chat |
| 02:38.57 | pupnik | for maemo |
| 02:39.20 | Analias | ok, much appreciated Antilles and Icuk. |
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| 03:19.59 | GeneralAntilles | They're working themselves into a frothing frenzy over not having a widget to show missed calls when the info is one tap away. |
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| 04:58.10 | johnx | spams microlith's pigeon |
| 04:58.46 | microlith | it's up to 7 notification windows already |
| 05:09.31 | pupnik | ..been watching videos on PC server from N810 over the network - with ukki's knots2 - very fast and fun nowâ! |
| 05:10.08 | pupnik | testing channel is #knots on freenode |
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| 05:48.31 | johnx | malformed wallpaper set description .desktop files can cause h-d to behave badly. is this a known problem? |
| 05:48.59 | RST38h | not that I heard of |
| 05:49.30 | johnx | I can send you a .desktop that makes it impossible to change your background. want it? :) |
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| 05:51.04 | RST38h | No! |
| 05:51.07 | RST38h | hides in horror =) |
| 05:51.43 | RST38h | But seriously, file a bug, get karma |
| 05:51.50 | johnx | ah, right |
| 05:51.52 | johnx | the karma |
| 05:51.58 | johnx | dunno how they missed it though |
| 05:52.22 | johnx | all you have to do is point to a file that doesn't exist and h-d crashes every time you try to change backgrounds |
| 05:52.25 | RST38h | they nnever made mistakes in their desktop files? |
| 05:52.32 | RST38h | oh shit... |
| 05:53.05 | johnx | i wouldn't be surprised to learn that this is a problem with .desktop parsing in general... |
| 05:53.36 | johnx | on the bright side, it does respawn without any problem |
| 05:53.39 | RST38h | well, that is easy to check... |
| 05:53.53 | johnx | suppose I might as well... |
| 05:54.12 | RST38h | wonders if johnx's bug will be marked as enhancement: after all h-d does survive the crash |
| 05:54.23 | johnx | heh |
| 05:54.52 | johnx | and it isn't an advertised feature that it should survive any kind of mistake on the user's part :) |
| 05:55.23 | johnx | interesting |
| 05:55.40 | johnx | I think it's just the background switcher that has the problem... |
| 05:55.53 | johnx | aaaah...whatever generates the thumbnail is probably to blame |
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| 06:07.54 | kirma | sees that chips on N900 reflect typical weekend of nokia linux device engineer: first there's VAPAUS, then there's LYSTI and the day after it's RAPU-YAMA |
| 06:08.30 | jaska | what next, krapula? |
| 06:08.45 | johnx | busts out google translate |
| 06:08.54 | johnx | maybe that'd make a good h-d widget... |
| 06:10.06 | kirma | jaska: well, "rapu-yama" could be literally interpreted as "hangoverous condition" :) |
| 06:10.41 | johnx | google called it "CRAB-YAMA" (am I right in guessing Finnish?) |
| 06:10.47 | kirma | err, s/literally/imaginatively/ |
| 06:10.52 | Analias | Johnx: I'm pretty new to Maemo development - are the git repos at maemo.gitorious.org the official releases of the Maemo core components. I'm trying to build on the GSoC work done by rkirti and pull the sources directly from the repositories instead of using the tarballs repository.maemo.org. |
| 06:11.02 | kirma | johnx: yes |
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| 06:11.43 | johnx | Analias, yes, the maemo.gitorious.org repos are official (and it feels great to say that!) |
| 06:11.51 | kirma | the chip even has a line profile of a shellfish/crab on its' labeling |
| 06:12.21 | johnx | I know 'yama' in Japanese, but have no guesses about what it means in Finnish |
| 06:12.28 | Analias | I can imagine - hehe - please put that notice somewhere on the main site - I've been banging head trying to track that down |
| 06:13.07 | RST38h | suspects fuji-yama also does not mean anything good in Finnish |
| 06:13.29 | kirma | it doesn't really mean anything in Finnish. "jama" means roughly "condition" or "situation", but I suppose there's some generational logic on the chip name or soemething |
| 06:13.32 | johnx | Analias, done. http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/fremantle_hildon_desktop_components_available_from_maemo-gitorious-org/ |
| 06:13.36 | johnx | :) |
| 06:14.01 | Analias | woot - thanks |
| 06:14.39 | jaska | ahh |
| 06:15.13 | kirma | johnx: like there are different generations of nokia EM ASICs: RETU, VILMA and now GAZOO, all from... the flintstones ;) |
| 06:15.21 | johnx | Analias, heh. was kind of kidding, since it looks like the announcement was already there. Where do you think an announcement like that should go? |
| 06:15.29 | RST38h | GAZOO does not sound good |
| 06:15.41 | johnx | kirma, aaaah, right. I remember now |
| 06:15.45 | RST38h | happens to know who Gazoo is |
| 06:15.53 | johnx | RST38h, yeah. sounds like gas + kazoo |
| 06:16.00 | RST38h | no, worse. a moment. |
| 06:16.08 | johnx | the little alien, right? |
| 06:16.11 | johnx | or whatever he was |
| 06:16.15 | RST38h | johnx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Gazoo |
| 06:16.21 | Analias | I would have saved my self a lot of headaches if it was simply on the front page of the developers section - but, then again I'm pretty dense or blind at times |
| 06:16.44 | kirma | not working at nokia and especially not at chip design I just find the names amusing :) |
| 06:16.44 | johnx | Analias, it's a pretty new thing, really |
| 06:16.57 | Analias | eight days - yep |
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| 06:17.13 | johnx | I'll probably just put a link on the development page and let someone else delete it if they feel it's not appropriate |
| 06:17.25 | Analias | I guess I can throw away my git-svn import of the old SNV tree |
| 06:18.11 | RST38h | A severe outbreak of the H1N1 pandemic could overwhelm internet providers' capacity, according to a report submitted Monday, which called on Department of Homeland Security officials to develop contingency plans to avert such a crisis. |
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| 06:18.27 | johnx | ah, but first I need to file that bug... |
| 06:18.32 | Analias | actually it's there - in the recent posts - but it would be nice as a call out |
| 06:19.04 | timeless_mbp | johnx: sadly our testers aren't that interesting. they have absolutely no creativity |
| 06:19.37 | johnx | timeless_mbp, I do the best testing at work when I'm actually avoiding other tasks |
| 06:19.53 | johnx | I still think a bug bounty that's a little higher than some karma points would help |
| 06:20.10 | |R | http://vimeo.com/5384225 <- wow that's the most stupid thing i've seen this month |
| 06:20.41 | RST38h | johnx: The only thing that would help is actually fixing the bugs rather than trying to mark more complicated bugs as "improvements" or "wontfix" |
| 06:20.41 | ShadowJK | I've seen some of them on random forums. They seem like the kind of people that key in a number and press another key, and then talk to themselves for awhile until pressing a key and putting their device away. |
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| 06:21.07 | RST38h | johnx: I would actually agree to *spend* karma points on each bug actually fixed |
| 06:22.19 | johnx | well, actually for the open source parts, that should be something that can be done on the forums... |
| 06:22.33 | timeless_mbp | johnx: i'm likely to send some people tshirts |
| 06:22.34 | johnx | man, that'd be kind of an interesting social feature... |
| 06:22.41 | timeless_mbp | i need to figure out which shirts we have available |
| 06:22.58 | johnx | I want one of the Nokia "old logo" fish shirts :D |
| 06:23.01 | timeless_mbp | specifically the login picker bug filer is quite likely to get a shirt |
| 06:23.03 | RST38h | johnx: Well, you know that even open source parts are developed in house |
| 06:23.23 | ShadowJK | a "Fixed in Harmattan" t-shirt, with the "in Harmattan" part crossed out |
| 06:23.39 | johnx | RST38h, yeah, I know. who cares? |
| 06:24.02 | RST38h | johnx: You suggested using forums |
| 06:24.14 | RST38h | Probably impossible |
| 06:24.25 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: heh |
| 06:24.44 | johnx | RST38h, I did. I'm suggesting that if Nokia won't fix it, and you want it fixed no matter what, then you can pay karma (through a bounty) to other community members |
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| 06:25.11 | RST38h | johnx: Ah |
| 06:25.19 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
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| 06:25.33 | RST38h | johnx: But what do you do with it afterwards? Keep your own fixed copy to yourself? |
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| 06:25.44 | timeless_mbp | i've almost gotten to down to 1500 unread bugmails |
| 06:25.47 | johnx | RST38h, one step at a time |
| 06:25.54 | RST38h | mhm |
| 06:26.08 | RST38h | sounds pointless without the distribution solution |
| 06:26.10 | ShadowJK | timeless, are these random ones from testers? |
| 06:26.30 | RST38h | An Extras-Hacking repo with updated versions of system components? :) |
| 06:26.34 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: this is a sample from all bugmail generated for bugzilla.mozilla.org |
| 06:26.35 | johnx | RST38h, honestly, I don't know. if it's really a defect, hopefully nokia will take it. if it's not a feature nokia wanted to do, then they wouldn't distribute it anyways |
| 06:26.42 | johnx | RST38h, that sounds good |
| 06:26.46 | timeless_mbp | the sample rules are things like 'mentions "crash"' |
| 06:26.59 | ShadowJK | oh, right |
| 06:27.06 | johnx | RST38h, it should disable nokia's SSUs as well |
| 06:27.09 | ShadowJK | that sounds dreadful |
| 06:27.13 | johnx | RST38h, and we could call it mer ... |
| 06:27.14 | RST38h | johnx: One problem here is that there are really few platform people in the community willing+able to do this kind of work |
| 06:27.26 | RST38h | why disable Nokia SSUs? |
| 06:27.54 | johnx | RST38h, because if you have a custom change to your libgtk and nokia ssu replaces it, then you're kinda screwed |
| 06:28.14 | RST38h | well maybe nokia's version is better? :) |
| 06:28.58 | johnx | RST38h, so the way I'd do it, is disable nokia's SSU repo and pull their SSU's into extras-hacking after vetting them |
| 06:29.33 | RST38h | Nokia won't like it at all =) |
| 06:29.44 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, you do have a way to "pay" to get bugs fixed. It's called voting. |
| 06:29.47 | johnx | RST38h, again: so? |
| 06:31.17 | RST38h | General: the vote limits are pretty generous right now though, no scarcity that "paying" would imply |
| 06:31.30 | RST38h | johnx: DMCA, lawsuit, incarceration =) |
| 06:31.43 | johnx | RST38h, just like they did to those poor mer guys |
| 06:31.53 | GeneralAntilles | Erm, for pulling in open source components? |
| 06:32.00 | johnx | it was horrible, how they fly us around the world, and hand us prerelease hardware |
| 06:32.06 | johnx | I wouldn't wish it on anyone |
| 06:32.32 | timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: help |
| 06:32.43 | timeless_mbp | i had nice clear glasses yesterday |
| 06:32.58 | timeless_mbp | i woke up, and they look just like they did when visited your desk |
| 06:33.51 | timeless_mbp | johnx: yeah, and enabled you to do various things which are illegal in your native country |
| 06:34.21 | johnx | timeless_mbp, hmm? missing your meaning... |
| 06:34.39 | timeless_mbp | just listing other things you could do in AMS |
| 06:35.21 | timeless_mbp | absolutely horrible, allowing legal access to things that are generally considered illegal |
| 06:35.27 | johnx | RST38h, I guess I should clarify: it's easy to override Nokia's update policy and still pull the updates from their servers |
| 06:35.39 | johnx | timeless_mbp, yeah. too bad I was too sick to do anything about that |
| 06:35.43 | RST38h | General: For pulling SSUs apart |
| 06:35.48 | johnx | still, the party was fun :) |
| 06:35.54 | RST38h | johnx; yea, I know |
| 06:39.15 | Passeli | i have Qt + OpenGL question |
| 06:39.16 | Passeli | what is the difference with running application with -graphicssystem opengl|opengles vs. QGraphicsView::setViewport(new QGLWidget()) ? |
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| 06:59.21 | tekojo | Morning! |
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| 07:00.35 | johnx | allo lardman |
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| 07:01.16 | lardman | morning johnx |
| 07:02.14 | Xisdibik | evening lardman ;) |
| 07:02.47 | lardman | hi Xisdibik |
| 07:03.27 | johnx | is there anyone on right now who could make a quick change to: http://maemo.org/development/sources/ ? |
| 07:03.47 | johnx | I think it might be nice to mention maemo.gitorious.org on that page |
| 07:04.58 | lardman | a job for dneary I think |
| 07:05.20 | johnx | thanks for hiliting him :) |
| 07:05.38 | johnx | ah, but not logged in :/ |
| 07:05.41 | lardman | I certainly don't have access rights to that page anyway |
| 07:06.35 | tekojo | johnx I think I should have the rights |
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| 07:07.44 | johnx | tekojo, want me to write you something to add to it? or do you want to write it? |
| 07:07.45 | tekojo | What kind of change were you thinking about? |
| 07:07.57 | tekojo | Please, you are the native :-) |
| 07:08.16 | johnx | just adding a reference to maemo.gitorious.org (and maybe changing sdk 5b2 to 5 final) |
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| 07:09.32 | tekojo | Sure those sound sensible, just throw a couple of lines |
| 07:09.46 | johnx | working on it :) |
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| 07:18.23 | johnx | tekojo, http://pastebin.com/m7d36bcba . If you wouldn't mind putting that at the top, right under "Sources" and then removing the "beta2" from behind Maemo 5 a bit down the page, I'd really appreciate it |
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| 07:23.07 | tekojo | There we go |
| 07:23.46 | tekojo | ah links, I'll go and fix those |
| 07:23.47 | johnx | thank you :D |
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| 07:24.20 | tekojo | and couldn't help my english kick in, 'please see' is more polite than 'look' :-) |
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| 07:25.23 | johnx | sounds good. all I want is to get the word spread about maemo.gitorious.org |
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| 07:25.51 | johnx | hey lbt |
| 07:25.58 | lbt | moin |
| 07:26.07 | lbt | not really here :) |
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| 07:26.40 | johnx | hmm...must be hallucinating. obviously I've been working on LDAP schemas too much... |
| 07:26.48 | lbt | going for shower, then work ;) |
| 07:27.14 | lbt | wantedt to tell fiferboy: qwebframe.cpp:(.text+0xcdc): undefined reference to `QPrinter::pageRect() const' |
| 07:27.22 | lbt | he's not here though... |
| 07:29.06 | tekojo | johnx a good cause, please tell more people about gitorious |
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| 07:29.43 | tekojo | morning lbt |
| 07:29.46 | lardman | hmm, anyone know what I need to stick in my control file to get python placed in the autobuilder as a build-dep? |
| 07:29.49 | liri | how do I install the boot menu? |
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| 07:29.53 | liri | on an n810 |
| 07:29.57 | lardman | morning lbt |
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| 07:32.10 | johnx | liri, probably the easiest way is to use the mer installer. that will install the bootmenu-installer and the mer-installer as two separate menu entries. if you don't want to install mer, just run the bootmenu installer and ignore the mer installer |
| 07:32.13 | johnx | http://trac.tspre.org/merinstaller.install |
| 07:32.36 | liri | so what package am I looking for to install? bootmenu-installer? |
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| 07:52.32 | johnx | best phrase ever to find on a power brick: "best results if plugged in" |
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| 07:53.36 | tigert | haha |
| 07:53.41 | tigert | good one ;) |
| 07:53.59 | tigert | and good morning |
| 07:54.00 | johnx | http://www.engadget.com/photos/litl-easel-netbook-is-cute-as-a-baby-blue-button/2400293/ |
| 07:54.02 | goodnight | . |
| 07:54.08 | tigert | heh |
| 07:54.37 | tigert | oh, litl came out of closet? :) |
| 07:54.58 | johnx | yeah. looks like a somewhat interesting product if they can find the right price/demographic |
| 07:55.50 | tigert | is it different from other netbooks! |
| 07:55.52 | tigert | ? |
| 07:56.07 | tigert | darn keymap :) |
| 07:56.11 | johnx | it runs "litl OS" |
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| 07:56.19 | johnx | mostly a browser it seems |
| 07:57.10 | lardman | bbl |
| 07:57.29 | tigert | no photos of the UI? |
| 07:57.32 | tigert | bummer |
| 07:57.43 | tigert | or are there somewhere? |
| 07:58.10 | johnx | nah |
| 07:58.16 | johnx | but here's the article at least: http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/litl-easel-web-computer-is-cute-as-a-baby-blue-button/ |
| 07:58.26 | johnx | didn't realize the gallery doesn't link back to it (weird) |
| 07:59.12 | johnx | guess it's a 'teaser' website and an fcc document right now |
| 08:02.43 | tigert | yeah |
| 08:03.17 | tigert | too much teasing is dangerous if the expectations are higher than what you reveal |
| 08:03.23 | tigert | lets see |
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| 08:03.45 | tigert | so many netbooks and mobile devices already |
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| 08:29.40 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:29.50 | johnx | mornin' Jaffa |
| 08:37.32 | hrw | morning |
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| 08:39.57 | johnx | I think that guy pushing the "xpPhone" on t.m.o actually believes what he's saying ... |
| 08:40.01 | johnx | mornin' hrw |
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| 08:40.32 | andril | Hello all |
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| 08:41.45 | andril | Are there any working alteratives to wayfinder on the n810 |
| 08:42.17 | X-Fade | lardman|gone: still missing build-depends.. |
| 08:42.20 | johnx | andril, do you need the turn-by-turn stuff? or just a decent mapping program? |
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| 08:42.49 | andril | Something that works with gps |
| 08:43.05 | johnx | have you tried maemo mapper? |
| 08:43.11 | andril | Turn by turn would be nice |
| 08:43.40 | andril | Haven't got it to work properly |
| 08:43.51 | johnx | which part doesn't work? the map download? |
| 08:44.03 | johnx | I've only gotten the yahoo maps source to work very well recently |
| 08:44.49 | andril | I wish google aps were out |
| 08:45.06 | andril | Downloading mm now |
| 08:46.37 | johnx | I don't really see google officially supporting any apps on maemo ... |
| 08:47.38 | andril | I know ;( |
| 08:49.38 | johnx | looking into this right now actually: http://www.novopia.com/emerillon/ |
| 08:49.47 | johnx | looks like it could be really nice in the future |
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| 08:51.22 | andril | Not bad at all |
| 08:51.34 | johnx | right now it's crashing on startup on my desktop :) |
| 08:52.38 | RST38h | johnx: talk to lardman |
| 08:52.38 | RST38h | johnx: he is porting it |
| 08:52.44 | johnx | ah! awesometastic |
| 08:52.56 | johnx | maybe I should just start learning how to make plugins then |
| 08:53.04 | andril | Thhat would be awesome |
| 08:54.45 | RST38h | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33580 <=== fun! |
| 08:54.58 | johnx | RST38h, yeah |
| 08:55.02 | RST38h | Join Date: Oct 2009 |
| 08:55.07 | johnx | 1 post |
| 08:55.13 | johnx | he's probably not even reading the threa |
| 08:55.14 | johnx | d |
| 08:55.23 | RST38h | guess so |
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| 08:55.30 | RST38h | a write-only user |
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| 08:56.11 | johnx | yup, the (*$&% of the day award goes to that guy. the xpPhone guy at least seems honestly convinced that xp on a phone is a good idea |
| 08:56.47 | andril | Waiting on gps fix from mm |
| 08:57.02 | RST38h | which makes him insane. is it a better thing than being pissed off at life like the last guy? =) |
| 08:57.28 | lbt_ | johnx: sounds like a plan to me |
| 08:57.40 | lbt_ | suggests MS focus on mobileXP |
| 08:57.56 | johnx | lbt, that's what windows "mobile" 7 is, unless I'm confused |
| 08:58.16 | johnx | RST38h, I've known plenty of people who were quite out of touch with reality, but led very happy lives |
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| 08:58.28 | lbt_ | nah, why shrink it ... go BIG |
| 08:58.36 | johnx | and in small doses they're much more pleasant to be around than people who are mad at everything |
| 08:58.52 | RST38h | johnx: yea, psychiatrists call it "socially adapted" |
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| 08:59.37 | RST38h | johnx: in fact, as most mental ilnesses cannot be cured, achieving social adaptation in patients is what most psychiatrists do |
| 09:00.32 | johnx | RST38h, on the flipside, is it really an 'illness' if the person is well adapted and self-supporting? |
| 09:00.36 | RST38h | I.e. think of those green men waving at your from every corner as a pleasant haloween decorations and proceed with your life =) |
| 09:00.39 | mihu1 | I'm trying to run Q3A with the demo version of Q3A. I downloaded and extracted the pak0.pk3 according to this post http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=345145&postcount=116, and Q3A seems to start up, but then shuts down with an error message. Did anybody try to use the demo version? |
| 09:00.59 | RST38h | johnx: I would say it is |
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| 09:01.21 | johnx | mihu1, can you try running it from the terminal? |
| 09:01.44 | mihu1 | johnx: I do. Here is the log http://pastebin.com/d459b5b4 |
| 09:02.08 | johnx | wow |
| 09:02.10 | johnx | not many clues |
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| 09:05.14 | andril | Maemo seems to be nice but short on backwards compatibility |
| 09:05.15 | andril | We should be able to run the newer version on the n810 just like newer distros of linux on a old pc |
| 09:05.41 | johnx | andril, that's where the (community supported) mer project comes in |
| 09:06.42 | andril | I saw mer on youtube is there a easy way to install it |
| 09:07.04 | johnx | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation |
| 09:07.15 | johnx | this is probably what you want: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#The_Installer |
| 09:07.32 | johnx | do you have a "spare" sd card you can use? |
| 09:09.36 | RST38h | "China's state-run newspaper, People's Daily, is accusing Google of unfairly censoring it's online book section from search results" hehe |
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| 09:11.19 | johnx | bleh |
| 09:11.29 | johnx | can't get emerillon running anywhere |
| 09:11.53 | RST38h | johnx: Do talk to lardman, he had some success with it |
| 09:12.02 | johnx | I will |
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| 09:12.18 | RST38h | johnx: As a short term solution, eCoach does a pretty good job at displaying maps now. Multiple sources, etc |
| 09:12.20 | Myrtti | RST38h: correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't google banned in China? |
| 09:12.32 | RST38h | Myrtti: not entirely, afaik |
| 09:12.58 | andril | Yes i do |
| 09:13.08 | RST38h | Myrtti: Besides, the famous firewall of China is more like herpes - certain sites tend to get banned and unbanned on seemingly random rate |
| 09:13.13 | johnx | RST38h, ah. hilariously, I'm actually ok with ovi maps for now. I was interesting in emerillon on netbook and/or mer, but I can't even make it run on my desktop |
| 09:13.28 | RST38h | can't stand Ovi maps =( |
| 09:13.28 | johnx | I was trying it on linux/ppc and figured the segfault was arch dependent, but it does the same on my athlon |
| 09:14.13 | hrw | RST38h: you are not the only one |
| 09:14.26 | RST38h | hrw: Vote/comment on the bugs then |
| 09:14.53 | hrw | RST38h: on symbian ovi maps is usable for walk navigation more or less. but I will not drive with it (tried) |
| 09:14.58 | johnx | for sure it's not very good, but when it's not fighting my control of the view and spinning the map at stop signs it's kind of helpful |
| 09:15.09 | hrw | RST38h: I did not used n900 version yet so will not vote |
| 09:15.13 | RST38h | hrw: Symbian version is fine for me, I mostly walk |
| 09:15.28 | RST38h | hrw: Maemo5 version is seriously screwed up |
| 09:15.56 | hrw | RST38h: you know... it is maemo - what you expected? |
| 09:16.06 | RST38h | johnx,hrw: Bugs #5332,#5333,#5336, all labelled as "enhancements" i.e. they do not intend to fix them |
| 09:16.23 | RST38h | hrw: I expected apps that are usable |
| 09:16.30 | johnx | hrw, well, lots of other stuff in maemo5 actually got lots better |
| 09:16.44 | RST38h | hrw: Not asking for anything special, just a usable product |
| 09:16.45 | johnx | I didn't really expect a usable maps app, so I'm not really surprised |
| 09:17.02 | liri | how do I check my OS version on N810? |
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| 09:17.14 | hrw | liri: control panel ->about product |
| 09:17.22 | liri | thanks |
| 09:17.26 | hrw | RST38h: add some screenshots to bugs? |
| 09:17.48 | RST38h | hrw: And I also think that when a project manager from Nokia suggests that I use community-supplied apps rather than Nokia0supplied ones, it is a clear failure for Maemo |
| 09:17.53 | johnx | should probably add a video of the "spinning while stationary" thing |
| 09:18.13 | andril | Thanks back to work i go |
| 09:18.14 | liri | the bootmenu is gone after an upgrade. Is it possible to easily restore it with init_flasher which I already have installed? |
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| 09:18.49 | RST38h | hrw: screenshots are all over the web nowadays |
| 09:18.54 | RST38h | lemme see |
| 09:19.07 | johnx | liri, I think it's probably just as easy to install it again with the bootmenu installer |
| 09:19.17 | johnx | it should pick up your config |
| 09:19.23 | hrw | liri: reinstall bootmenu then |
| 09:19.29 | liri | how do I do that? |
| 09:19.37 | RST38h | hrw: http://images.dailymobile.se/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/N900-GPS-Ovi-Maps-Demo.jpg |
| 09:19.41 | johnx | same way you did it the first time |
| 09:19.57 | liri | johnx: like I remember... that was like a year ago :) |
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| 09:20.27 | hrw | liri: go to mer install page - they point to nice bootmenu installler there |
| 09:20.29 | liri | johnx: and I can't really do it again because back then I used it to also clone the OS and I don't want to mistakenly to overwrite my already functioning OS on the internal SD |
| 09:21.04 | johnx | liri, install the mer installer from here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#The_Installer |
| 09:21.24 | johnx | it'll give you bootmenu installer and mer installer. if you don't want mer, just don't launch the mer installer |
| 09:21.40 | liri | ok I'll see |
| 09:22.13 | johnx | alright. time for me to catch some sleep |
| 09:22.16 | johnx | 'night all |
| 09:22.20 | lbt_ | night johnx |
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| 09:37.10 | liri | thanks johnx, installing the bootmenu worked |
| 09:37.21 | liri | I now have to figure out how to add the entries for the mmc there |
| 09:37.29 | liri | I remember its something related to editing a bootmenu.conf or something |
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| 09:39.59 | hrw | liri: look at /etc/bootmenu* |
| 09:40.59 | liri | yeah, there's a bootmenu.d/ entry there but its empty |
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| 09:41.47 | Stskeeps | wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Bootmenu |
| 09:43.03 | liri | so I'll have to re-flash it to update the bootmenu? |
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| 09:53.42 | liri | thanks |
| 09:53.43 | liri | that helped |
| 09:57.25 | lardman | re |
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| 09:58.44 | hrw | hi lardman |
| 09:58.53 | lardman | hi hrw, how's things? |
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| 10:05.33 | lardman | why oh why is there no sample code for using AWS from C |
| 10:05.35 | lardman | ? |
| 10:06.03 | RST38h | "Somali pirates preparing ransom demand for British kidnap couple" <-- how business like |
| 10:06.26 | RST38h | lardman: talk to johnx, he wanted the maps app =) |
| 10:06.45 | lardman | hopefully answered by "SAS/SBS storm Somali pirates' boat and kill all the pirates and free the couple" |
| 10:06.49 | hrw | aws? |
| 10:06.56 | lardman | amazon web services |
| 10:06.59 | hrw | ah |
| 10:07.19 | RST38h | lardman: that would be politically incorrect |
| 10:07.33 | hrw | lardman: how things... few troubles with one board but it has low priority, working on bug for most of time |
| 10:07.46 | RST38h | lardman: the politically correct way would be to treat them as human beings, talk to them for the next 3-4 months, then pay them money |
| 10:08.05 | lardman | ~lart PCness |
| 10:08.05 | infobot | rm -rf's PCness |
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| 10:09.31 | msh_ | arvo. wondering, is diablo extras-devel not updating from the autobuilder properly atm? |
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| 10:10.44 | lardman | speaking of the autobuilder, how do I get it to install Python? |
| 10:11.12 | qwerty12_N810 | python2.5 in Build-Depends? |
| 10:11.14 | lardman | should a build-dep on "python" be enough? |
| 10:11.23 | lardman | does it need to be python2.5? |
| 10:11.38 | lardman | curiously the autobuilder didn't complain about straight python |
| 10:11.50 | RST38h | an alias probably |
| 10:12.01 | lardman | but one that should work |
| 10:12.21 | qwerty12_N810 | Hmm, I guess "python" is enough: "python" depends on python2.5 here |
| 10:13.00 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah |
| 10:13.03 | lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2009-October/010897.html ? |
| 10:13.08 | qwerty12_N810 | Sec |
| 10:13.19 | lardman | perhaps the configure script needs something more than just Python, will have to check when I get home |
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| 10:18.31 | t_s_o | how is that 900 working out? |
| 10:19.33 | lardman | which, mine? |
| 10:20.34 | t_s_o | heh, i think it was Stskeeps that just logged on with one, and then off again... |
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| 10:20.45 | lardman | ah, I see |
| 10:21.24 | Stskeeps | t_s_o: happy customer |
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| 10:33.26 | w00t | still wants to steal Stskeeps' n900 |
| 10:33.58 | qwerty12_N810 | There are people more near to you that also have N900s... |
| 10:34.02 | qwerty12_N810 | stares at lcuk |
| 10:34.35 | SpeedEvil | <panto> Look behind you!</panto> |
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| 10:41.59 | t_s_o | not sure i want to know the source of that tag... |
| 10:42.11 | lardman | append a -mime |
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| 10:43.33 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantomime |
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| 10:44.41 | SpeedEvil | The japanese have tea ceremonies, and samuri, we have Panto, and fish and chips. |
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| 10:45.31 | lardman | and in the same way not all the Japanese are samurai, not all the British like or watch pantos |
| 10:46.17 | SpeedEvil | Oh yes they do! |
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| 10:47.29 | lcuk | stares @ qwerty12_N810 |
| 10:47.34 | fatal^ | does anyone know what license liblocation is distributed under? |
| 10:47.36 | qwerty12_N810 | stares at lcuk |
| 10:47.39 | t_s_o | sheesh, trying to find that wiki article on secure mode is not easy... |
| 10:47.53 | fatal^ | AFAIK it's proprietary..... and maemo-mapper is GPLv3.... not a perfect match. ;P |
| 10:48.15 | lardman | fatal^: did you see my question in #champlain? |
| 10:48.17 | lardman | re mm |
| 10:48.44 | qwerty12_N810 | ~lart nautilus |
| 10:48.44 | infobot | chops nautilus in half with a free Solaris 7 CD |
| 10:48.56 | t_s_o | ah, it was called maemo security... |
| 10:50.10 | Stskeeps | fatal^: liblocation may qualify as system library |
| 10:50.36 | Corsac | t_s_o: especially look at the Talk: page btw |
| 10:50.50 | Corsac | I've not yet propagated Elena comments on the main page |
| 10:51.53 | fatal^ | Stskeeps: maybe. |
| 10:52.55 | t_s_o | i really "love" seeing the word consume used in the context of content... |
| 10:53.26 | lcuk | i really "love" seeing the word create used in the context of content... |
| 10:53.59 | SpeedEvil | I really "love" seeing the word eggplant used in the context of content... |
| 10:54.13 | t_s_o | having fun? |
| 10:54.17 | lcuk | well bacon is preferable lol |
| 10:55.11 | fatal^ | Stskeeps: guess I'll convince myself that's it and let someone else worry about potential licensing issues. :) |
| 10:56.14 | fatal^ | I wonder why liblocation isn't free software.... isn't it just an abstraction layer after all? Shouldn't be much "extremely valueable Intellectual Property" in there... |
| 10:58.50 | lcuk | posted a bug last night about "silent" mode not being silent |
| 10:58.56 | lcuk | anyone |
| 10:59.00 | lcuk | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5865 |
| 10:59.13 | lcuk | anyone got any ideas on if its right - it sounds wrong to me |
| 11:00.28 | Lupu | lcuk: Well, you do have the volume buttons to mute it for that use. |
| 11:00.31 | range | I don't know. On my S60 phone the alarm also rings when the phone is on "silent mode" - same goes for music. |
| 11:00.42 | lcuk | Lupu, much more faffing |
| 11:00.46 | Lupu | The silent mode is merely for event related sounds. |
| 11:00.59 | range | And I would be miffed if the alarm wouldn't sound in occasions like that. |
| 11:01.14 | Lupu | It wouldn't make sense that you can't listen to music and/or watch videos if you don't want to head noise from calls or messages. |
| 11:01.16 | lcuk | alarm != music and stuff |
| 11:01.32 | Lupu | Those are noises that you specifically request from the device. |
| 11:02.02 | Lupu | That's specified behavior. |
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| 11:02.42 | Lupu | If you want full silence, turn down the volume to zero. Silent mode disables event-based "unexpected" sounds. |
| 11:03.00 | lcuk | but if i do that my alarm wont sound in the morning will it? |
| 11:03.23 | fatal^ | silent should have another name that makes it more obvious that it's not really going to be silent. |
| 11:03.53 | Lupu | I don't think the alarm volume is related to that, but it's worth a test. |
| 11:04.00 | fatal^ | would find a mute profile useful. |
| 11:04.26 | fatal^ | has no use for "half-silent". |
| 11:04.50 | Corsac | fatal^: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5793 |
| 11:04.56 | Lupu | The naming scheme is indeed a little misguiding. |
| 11:05.06 | Corsac | basically, "silent" might not be the same thing for everyone |
| 11:05.23 | Lupu | fatal^: Ok, just tried it. The volume slider doesn't influence alarm volume. |
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| 11:11.54 | lbt_ | wonders about a dbus wrapper around liblocation and a dbus caller in Maemo Mapper... |
| 11:13.28 | SpeedEvil | what does liblocation do that gpsd doesn't? |
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| 11:13.51 | lardman | allows access to the cell id info |
| 11:13.51 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 11:13.54 | lardman | it's also power efficient |
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| 11:14.13 | lardman | callbacks if position changes, etc |
| 11:15.25 | lbt_ | seems like a rational way to link the two |
| 11:15.34 | hrw | SpeedEvil: gpsd is a bit old fashioned |
| 11:15.50 | lardman | lbt_: yep |
| 11:15.53 | lbt_ | also allows the potential to reverse engineer the API to other stuff |
| 11:16.10 | lbt_ | like Mer on N810 and other devices |
| 11:16.34 | hrw | does maemo5 provides geolocation based on gsm cells? |
| 11:16.41 | lbt_ | Stskeeps: is liblocation on the list? |
| 11:16.44 | lardman | what's the liblocation licence then? |
| 11:16.49 | hrw | lardman: closed |
| 11:16.54 | lardman | hrw: yep |
| 11:17.13 | lardman | does gpl3 not allow the use of closed components then? |
| 11:17.18 | lardman | i guess not |
| 11:17.50 | Stskeeps | lbt_: liblocation i cannot personally touch.. asking nokia to open headers would be nice though |
| 11:17.51 | lbt_ | cf Na + hot H20 |
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| 11:25.32 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 11:25.37 | timeless_mbp | my phone went on strike |
| 11:26.00 | timeless_mbp | it's churping for new messages and chirps for when a caller hangs up.... but it won't respond to me :( |
| 11:26.28 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: display stays blank? |
| 11:26.29 | lcuk | buy it new shoes |
| 11:26.32 | timeless_mbp | nope |
| 11:26.38 | timeless_mbp | display is "Address Book" |
| 11:26.41 | lcuk | slide open keyboard? |
| 11:26.47 | timeless_mbp | keyboard was open |
| 11:26.52 | qwerty12_N810 | Give it the smackdown |
| 11:26.59 | timeless_mbp | opening the camera lens didn't do anything either :( |
| 11:27.08 | lcuk | sounds b0rkened |
| 11:27.22 | timeless_mbp | holds the power key until it dies |
| 11:27.30 | Lupu | Did you try singing to it? Or twittering back at it? |
| 11:31.58 | petrux | hi there |
| 11:32.11 | lcuk | timeless, back to life? |
| 11:32.16 | timeless_mbp | yep |
| 11:32.22 | petrux | newbie question: is there any entry-level tutorial about application development on maemo? |
| 11:32.24 | lcuk | rather off |
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| 11:33.31 | lardman | petrux: yes, the tut on maemo.org |
| 11:34.39 | petrux | lardman: I'm on the http://maemo.org/development page... do you mean the dev guide? |
| 11:35.01 | lardman | yep |
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| 11:35.09 | lcuk | petrux, new to maemo development or new to linux development or new to development in general? |
| 11:35.15 | petrux | lardman: thanks. |
| 11:35.22 | petrux | lcuk: new to Maemo dev |
| 11:35.24 | lardman | lcuk: yes, that's the next question |
| 11:35.33 | petrux | lcuk: quite-new to linux development |
| 11:36.03 | lcuk | whats your usual background? windows? webdev? etc |
| 11:36.17 | petrux | lcuk: win/web |
| 11:36.49 | petrux | but also "scientific" programming so not so bound to a platform (mainly Java/Python but now also .NET/Mono) |
| 11:37.19 | petrux | so what I lack is experience in real-OS-usage (I hope you got what I mean... :-)) |
| 11:38.10 | lcuk | do you use a linux machine normally? |
| 11:38.10 | lcuk | lardman, btw - "gst-launch pulsesrc ! pulsesink" on n900 and click fingers |
| 11:38.11 | lcuk | near mic |
| 11:38.24 | petrux | lcuk: for my personal development yes |
| 11:38.38 | lcuk | its not the specific mic port but the mic audio goes through it |
| 11:38.38 | petrux | lcuk: at work no |
| 11:38.38 | lcuk | dang! |
| 11:38.42 | petrux | lcuk: our job is mostly on Win :-( |
| 11:38.48 | lcuk | -dang! thought that was simon |
| 11:38.53 | lcuk | nothing wrong with win |
| 11:39.16 | lcuk | i use it, but if your home machine is win also, you will need a VM with linux on it |
| 11:39.16 | lbt_ | hah |
| 11:39.22 | petrux | lcuk: not so true... anyway, it's a question of points of view. :-) |
| 11:39.34 | petrux | lcuk: no, my personal machine is a Linux Machine |
| 11:39.35 | lcuk | lbt, you just try that command? |
| 11:39.41 | lbt_ | petrux++ |
| 11:39.52 | wazd | heya all |
| 11:40.00 | petrux | (Ubuntu, but I'm testing also Debian 64studio to make some music) |
| 11:40.03 | petrux | lbt_: uh? |
| 11:40.11 | lcuk | hi wazd of the north \o |
| 11:40.26 | petrux | lcuk: on WinXP I'm experiencing cygwin but I'd like to test andLinux too... |
| 11:40.28 | lbt_ | just teasing lcuk.... |
| 11:40.37 | petrux | lbt_: I see... :-) |
| 11:40.41 | lbt_ | I'm more a linux user |
| 11:40.48 | lardman | cygwin is nasty |
| 11:40.54 | lbt_ | what types of app are you wanting to do |
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| 11:45.45 | petrux | lardman: I see... I don't like it so much but... I couldn't find anything better. |
| 11:46.14 | lbt_ | cygwin is great!! |
| 11:46.19 | lbt_ | (for using) |
| 11:46.34 | lbt_ | installs on every windows machine he has to use |
| 11:47.14 | petrux | lbt_: the greatest problem is that I cant type my favourite command |
| 11:47.27 | lbt_ | emacs? |
| 11:47.28 | petrux | apt-get something something-else |
| 11:47.30 | petrux | :-) |
| 11:47.32 | lbt_ | heh |
| 11:47.35 | petrux | (just kifdding) |
| 11:48.08 | petrux | lbt_: I basically *live* on emacs... but when I'm on WinXP (like now) I use the Win version |
| 11:48.09 | lcuk | thats something i keep wanting to do from windows naturally |
| 11:48.18 | lcuk | i like the WM, but wish the console was proper |
| 11:48.33 | petrux | lcuk: don't get it... |
| 11:48.36 | lbt_ | too |
| 11:49.02 | lcuk | windows XP window manager feels "right" |
| 11:49.12 | lcuk | i havent found a linux one yet which works as well |
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| 11:49.22 | lcuk | but the console in xp is crap |
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| 11:49.46 | hrw | xp window manager is good? we have different use of WM then ;d |
| 11:49.53 | lardman | ubuntu 9.10 is getting closer |
| 11:49.53 | lcuk | heh |
| 11:49.59 | lardman | hrw: the feel I think he means |
| 11:50.11 | lbt_ | lcuk: kde |
| 11:50.25 | petrux | lardman: I'll install Ubuntu 9.10 next week |
| 11:50.29 | frals | only thing im missing in win7 is a proper console :( |
| 11:50.31 | lardman | true, will have to switch to Qt anyway |
| 11:50.32 | Anunakin | All: Have a nice day! |
| 11:50.49 | petrux | anyway... what abou maemo dev under WinXP? I guess I must use a Virtual Machine, right? |
| 11:51.32 | lcuk | begrudgingly for some things, yes |
| 11:51.41 | X-Fade | _|Nix|_: libnss3-dev is now in sdk, but it seems that it has a missing dependency as well. |
| 11:51.49 | X-Fade | _|Nix|_: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/libnss3-dev/20090612-45.0.1+0m5/ |
| 11:52.01 | lcuk | goes afk bbl |
| 11:53.28 | _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Not surprised. libnss3-dev and libnspr4-dev always go hand-in-hand. |
| 11:53.55 | X-Fade | _|Nix|_: Yeah, already pinged to get that fixed too. |
| 11:54.19 | _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Awesome! I was contemplating /really/ ugly hacks to get around that ... |
| 11:54.33 | X-Fade | _|Nix|_: No, please don't do that ;) |
| 11:54.44 | X-Fade | _|Nix|_: It is a bug and needs to be fixed anyway. |
| 11:55.04 | _|Nix|_ | ... however, I'm noticing that there's a version of pidgin (2.6.2-1maemo1) that was built successfully without libnss3-dev ... |
| 11:55.22 | _|Nix|_ | It looks like it's straight from Debian. |
| 11:55.25 | X-Fade | _|Nix|_: Depends on some protocols perhaps? |
| 11:55.45 | _|Nix|_ | It seems to depend on libnss3, but not libnss3-dev ... |
| 11:56.11 | X-Fade | _|Nix|_: Well then libnss3-dev is a build-depends ? |
| 11:56.18 | _|Nix|_ | I'm re-doing my sb targets right now using the latest sdk installer to see if I can build pidgin without libnss3-dev ... |
| 11:56.22 | X-Fade | _|Nix|_: Which means it still needs to be there? |
| 11:56.48 | _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: The control file says the source package depends on libnss3. |
| 11:57.04 | _|Nix|_ | I'm pretty sure libnss3-dev is a build-dependency of Pidgin's. |
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| 11:57.53 | _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Correction. pidgin_2.6.2-1maemo1 /Build/-Depends on libnss3 ... |
| 11:58.04 | _|Nix|_ | It gets weirder and weirder ... |
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| 12:00.00 | _|Nix|_ | Anyway. libnss3-dev /should/ be in the SDK and fully usable. |
| 12:00.17 | X-Fade | _|Nix|_: Yeah, I'm sure that will be fixed. |
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| 12:02.17 | iDialekt | Hmmm |
| 12:05.09 | petrux | ok... going to have lunch. see you later. :-) |
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| 12:10.49 | SpeedEvil | hrw: Old fashioned isn't always bad of course. |
| 12:11.37 | lcuk | X-Fade, thanks for curing the packages script :D |
| 12:12.04 | hrw | SpeedEvil: I did not said 'bad' |
| 12:12.08 | X-Fade | lcuk: No problem, small oversight ;) |
| 12:12.23 | SpeedEvil | hrw: no, you diddn't. |
| 12:12.23 | lcuk | nods |
| 12:13.30 | lcuk | does anyone know the RGB16 bit layout that maemo uses (ie is B5G6R5 correct?) |
| 12:13.38 | AndrewFBlack | Anyone setup Google Sync on there n900 yet? |
| 12:14.03 | hrw | AndrewFBlack: googlesync? no syncml on n900? |
| 12:14.33 | RST38h | google calendar you mean? |
| 12:14.43 | AndrewFBlack | I figureed it would work since google sync is just an exchange server and n900 has exchange support |
| 12:14.59 | RST38h | lcuk: it is 565 |
| 12:15.06 | RST38h | Will tell you the exact format in a moment |
| 12:15.11 | lcuk | thanks RST38h |
| 12:16.00 | lbt_ | very disapointed in the data exchage limitations for an 'open' device too |
| 12:16.22 | lcuk | mmm lbt? |
| 12:16.46 | RST38h | lcuk: #define PIXEL(R,G,B) (pixel)(((31*(R)/255)<<11)|((63*(G)/255)<<5)|(31*(B)/255)) |
| 12:16.56 | RST38h | lcuk: he means no bt |
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| 12:17.08 | RST38h | No BT browsing, no sending files over BT |
| 12:17.11 | lcuk | ok, your R G B are floats? |
| 12:17.15 | lcuk | ahh |
| 12:17.23 | hrw | RST38h: no receiving too? |
| 12:17.27 | RST38h | There are two bug tackers for this, mine is for browsing somebody elses is for sharing |
| 12:17.32 | RST38h | hrw: have nto tried |
| 12:17.35 | lcuk | bt receiving is there |
| 12:17.36 | RST38h | probably no |
| 12:17.37 | lcuk | it pops up |
| 12:17.42 | RST38h | really? cool |
| 12:17.43 | hrw | jesus... |
| 12:17.45 | lcuk | i got photos from people |
| 12:17.48 | RST38h | lcuk: They are not floats |
| 12:17.50 | lcuk | via bt |
| 12:18.00 | lcuk | ahh ok RST38h |
| 12:18.02 | lbt_ | lcuk: l8r... but I can't get contacts off the phone |
| 12:18.05 | RST38h | lcuk: it is R5.G6.B5 |
| 12:18.05 | X-Fade | I've sent files over bt too. |
| 12:18.15 | RST38h | Not photos, files in general |
| 12:18.21 | hrw | lcuk: let me guess - sending contacts from phone -> n900 does not mean that contact will be added to contacts? |
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| 12:18.24 | RST38h | Photos you can share, but not any other file |
| 12:18.28 | lcuk | i dunno hrw |
| 12:18.39 | X-Fade | lbt_: Nokia suite? |
| 12:18.40 | lcuk | i still use paper cards, test |
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| 12:19.58 | lcuk | just been asked a question in email, "is gps exposed to the browser via a W3C geolocation API?" |
| 12:20.12 | lcuk | or is this something we were discussing the other night |
| 12:20.23 | lcuk | about extending it to support |
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| 12:21.48 | goodnight | http://www.maemoit.org/2009/10/n900-sul-catalogo-mediaworld/ |
| 12:21.54 | RST38h | looked at N900 photos at 100% magnification. Oh shit. |
| 12:22.38 | RST38h | (Why do we need 5mpx there?) |
| 12:23.41 | lbt_ | X-Fade: Nokia suite? Cool... where's the .deb ? |
| 12:23.53 | X-Fade | lbt_: Windows only of course ;) |
| 12:24.02 | hrw | X-Fade: s/nokia suite/ovi suite/ |
| 12:24.34 | lbt_ | X-Fade: I don't have windows |
| 12:24.37 | lbt_ | or Mac |
| 12:24.40 | lbt_ | :( |
| 12:24.47 | X-Fade | hrw: PC Suite even |
| 12:25.01 | Jaffa | hrw: Sending contacts from phone to N900 opens the "BT receive file" notification for a vCard (.vcf) and if you tick "Open after saving" it will add to contacts. |
| 12:25.06 | hrw | anyway it is ovi suite now but still suxx |
| 12:25.25 | hrw | Jaffa: so functionality from maemo4 works still |
| 12:25.36 | qwerty12_N810 | Was still called "Nokia PC Suite", last time I looked... |
| 12:25.43 | X-Fade | lbt_: You can put the tablet in PC suite mode and get contacts through the modem function, I think. |
| 12:25.57 | lbt_ | I've been looking at gnokki |
| 12:25.58 | hrw | Jaffa: I just hope that it will be able to import my contacts. maemo4 was not able |
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| 12:26.47 | _berto_ | I sent all my contacts from an old symbian phone with no problems |
| 12:26.55 | hrw | Jaffa: put bigger photo into contact |
| 12:26.56 | lbt_ | I suppose I'm just irritated that the syncml isn't exposed over IP.... but much less so if it's simply time-pressure |
| 12:27.07 | hrw | Jaffa: but you will not make it with s60 |
| 12:27.09 | X-Fade | _berto_: You don't need to send those. There is a sync function for that. |
| 12:27.11 | lbt_ | it also failed to sync to my old nokia 3110 |
| 12:27.18 | lbt_ | over BT |
| 12:27.36 | _berto_ | X-Fade: yeah, using that one |
| 12:27.50 | hrw | Jaffa: my SE k750i phone had contact with 2Mpix picture in it. n810 refused to import |
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| 12:29.38 | lbt_ | lcuk: geolocation+dbus would be similar |
| 12:29.55 | lcuk | goelocation+dbus is not exposed in the browser is it? |
| 12:30.01 | X-Fade | hrw: n810 wasn't a phone. |
| 12:30.04 | lcuk | ie a web app cannot get at it |
| 12:30.18 | hrw | X-Fade: I know |
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| 12:30.24 | lcuk | but on the flip, maps is a web app |
| 12:30.33 | lcuk | and obviously has access at some level |
| 12:30.33 | X-Fade | hrw: with N900 being a phone, they needed to step that up quite a bit ;) |
| 12:30.34 | glass | how about webruntime on maemo?(i'm unaware of it's state, but.. webruntime has location apis) |
| 12:30.41 | hrw | X-Fade: n900 is a phone. so far worse then my e66 (also nokia) |
| 12:30.44 | Jaffa | hrw: Send the VCF to a laptop and it makes it easy to attach to a bug ;-) |
| 12:30.45 | lcuk | yes glass |
| 12:31.08 | hrw | Jaffa: bug was reported long time ago |
| 12:31.09 | Jaffa | glass: Web Runtime doesn't exist for Maemo yet, except perhaps in some random Nokia developers' laptops |
| 12:31.23 | Jaffa | hrw: With vcard attached? |
| 12:31.26 | X-Fade | hrw: So far it is a lot better for me than any Symbian phone I have owned before. |
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| 12:31.38 | lbt_ | lcuk: earlier we suggested a dbus wrapper over liblocation - the same wrapper may provide web api |
| 12:31.40 | Jaffa | hrw: If it's got the troublesome vcard attached, I'll test on my N900 |
| 12:32.07 | lcuk | lbt, no qualms whatsoever, so the email answer i should give is "not now"? or is the jury still out |
| 12:33.57 | lbt_ | I think "not yet" is about right |
| 12:34.00 | _berto_ | X-Fade: depends on what you want it for :) for me it's better than any phone I've owned too |
| 12:34.27 | lcuk | +1 berto |
| 12:35.25 | _berto_ | but depends on your needs |
| 12:35.32 | _berto_ | some people want smaller phones |
| 12:35.39 | hrw | looks like 2781 got fixed for maemo5 |
| 12:35.48 | _berto_ | or phones that they can use with one hand |
| 12:36.02 | _berto_ | or need some particular symbian app |
| 12:36.03 | _berto_ | etc etc |
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| 12:38.18 | hrw | I need mail client which will show me 10 entries in inbox view - thats how profimail works on my current phone |
| 12:38.50 | lcuk | landscape or portrait? |
| 12:38.55 | hrw | portrait |
| 12:38.59 | lcuk | nods |
| 12:39.17 | hrw | 7 in landscape |
| 12:39.22 | RST38h | facepalms at photos made by N900 camera |
| 12:39.32 | lcuk | RST38h, quick lets see |
| 12:39.44 | RST38h | A moment |
| 12:40.14 | lcuk | hrw, can you take photos or find on web |
| 12:41.11 | hrw | Jaffa: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3315 |
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| 12:42.02 | lcuk | hahaha http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/10/500x_Screen_shot_2009-10-10_at_9.50.03_AM.jpg |
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| 12:46.03 | hrw | lcuk: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/s60/ |
| 12:46.34 | zap_ | lcuk: Hi! Can I ask you something? :) |
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| 12:47.05 | lcuk | sure thing zap_ but i might not answer |
| 12:47.33 | Jaffa | hrw: Is that "whole vCard" correct? Quotes seem very odd as displayed in comment #4 |
| 12:47.33 | hrw | lcuk: 4 and 5 are broken due to fact that screenshot app do not handle rotation |
| 12:47.38 | hrw | Jaffa: thats how diablo exported vcard |
| 12:47.52 | lcuk | thanks hrw, do you have a device yet? |
| 12:48.08 | hrw | lcuk: n900? nope. waiting for availability in eStore |
| 12:48.35 | lcuk | ok, im just gonna put that screenshot on device and see how the size of the text looks etc |
| 12:48.39 | lcuk | it helps to see it in context |
| 12:48.52 | lcuk | zap_, no sorry |
| 12:49.24 | zap_ | ok, np |
| 12:50.52 | lcuk | hrw, are you still involved with bugbase people? |
| 12:51.11 | hrw | lcuk: yes. I have two bugbases here (and ~8 modules) |
| 12:51.18 | Corsac | hrw: estore? |
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| 12:51.41 | hrw | Corsac: n900 discounted devices |
| 12:51.44 | hrw | hi mgedmin |
| 12:51.55 | mgedmin | hi hrw |
| 12:52.03 | Jaffa | hrw: since I have no way of defining a SIP account (AFAIK), I can't test. Importing it without a SIP account of MY_ACCOUNT@sipthingy.com has put the whole of the X-SIP line in the entry |
| 12:52.04 | lcuk | cool, some folks were saying yesterday modular component systems cant work, you have them there |
| 12:52.36 | SpeedEvil | Nobody said they can't work. |
| 12:52.41 | Corsac | hrw: can I haz? :) |
| 12:52.45 | lcuk | lol |
| 12:52.46 | RST38h | They work but appear to be impractical |
| 12:52.55 | SpeedEvil | There are many costs in modularity - in some applications these are prohibitive. |
| 12:53.02 | lcuk | depends on expected usages i suppose |
| 12:53.05 | SpeedEvil | And they may be larger than you think at first. |
| 12:53.17 | RST38h | does not depend on expected usages |
| 12:53.24 | RST38h | MODULAR = can be tailored for any usage |
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| 12:55.58 | timeless_mbp | resumes fishing |
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| 12:59.13 | mgedmin | interesting bug: open PDF reader, select 'open' from the menu, start scrolling --> I see two directories named 'Documents' |
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| 13:02.06 | samuel | hi, any change installing Qt4.6 or Qt4.5 on N810? |
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| 13:07.17 | qwerty12_N810 | mgedmin: I've had that in two flashes, in all applications using the Hildon File Chooser, and with all the "special folders"... |
| 13:07.30 | mgedmin | "two flashes"? |
| 13:08.06 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah, I reflashed first time to get rid of it. And now it's back :-) |
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| 13:09.30 | msh_ | hm. https://garage.maemo.org/promoter/diablo working for anyone? |
| 13:09.37 | msh_ | oh, it just loaded. |
| 13:09.39 | msh_ | slow slow ;) |
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| 13:14.28 | mgedmin | qwerty12_N810: have you filed a bug? |
| 13:14.51 | qwerty12_N810 | No, I hate trying to search in Bugzilla |
| 13:14.56 | qwerty12_N810 | ~fiferboy++ |
| 13:15.18 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: What did I do? |
| 13:15.30 | fiferboy | ~karma fiferboy |
| 13:15.30 | infobot | fiferboy has karma of 1 |
| 13:15.33 | lcuk | ~fiferboy++ |
| 13:15.34 | fiferboy | :) |
| 13:16.03 | lcuk | you broke it |
| 13:16.04 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: HeColorButton :) |
| 13:16.07 | fiferboy | infobot doesn't like repeats... |
| 13:16.20 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: It's working for you? |
| 13:16.25 | qwerty12_N810 | Yessir |
| 13:16.33 | fiferboy | Excellent |
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| 13:20.41 | X-Fade | _|Nix|_: Problem solved. |
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| 13:21.35 | mgedmin | http://share.ovi.com/media/mgedmin.N900screenshots/mgedmin.10004 |
| 13:21.40 | mgedmin | also, ovi SUUUUUUUCKS |
| 13:22.50 | _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Nice! |
| 13:26.13 | timeless_mbp | _|Nix|_: did you see the person who came in to complain about pidgin? |
| 13:27.03 | _|Nix|_ | timeless_mbp: Into this chan? |
| 13:27.07 | timeless_mbp | yep |
| 13:27.13 | timeless_mbp | yesterday ish |
| 13:27.16 | _|Nix|_ | rans /lastlog |
| 13:27.17 | RST38h | mgedmin: is it ever going to load? |
| 13:27.34 | mgedmin | "it"? |
| 13:27.35 | RST38h | mgedmin: Ah, the duplicate filename bug! Need the bug tracker #? |
| 13:27.41 | mgedmin | if you have it |
| 13:27.43 | RST38h | The Ovi I mean |
| 13:28.26 | RST38h | mgedmin: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5838 |
| 13:28.43 | _|Nix|_ | Oh well, the guy quit. |
| 13:28.52 | _|Nix|_ | That's what the "Send button" plugin is for. |
| 13:29.37 | RST38h | uses the occassion to thank Nix for Pidgin port |
| 13:35.05 | aquatix | wonders why lately the app manager crashes on use |
| 13:35.31 | X-Fade | aquatix: I have seen a lot, but not that ;) |
| 13:35.47 | aquatix | some other apps do too |
| 13:35.57 | aquatix | maybe my internal flash is b0rked again |
| 13:36.06 | X-Fade | memory corruption? Or flash? |
| 13:36.27 | _|Nix|_ | RST38h: You're welcome :) |
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| 13:36.45 | aquatix | i suspect the internal flash, as i think it only happens with apps using storage |
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| 13:43.20 | AndrewFBlack | whats best way to get google contacts on n900? Export from Googe then import ot Nokia PC Suite? |
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| 13:46.42 | alecrim | I'm with some problems to bootup Maemo5 with BeagleBoard http://pastebin.com/d30f94b41 ! It's freezing! Any idea? |
| 13:46.52 | tigert | tried google activesync? |
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| 13:50.21 | Jaffa | AndrewFBlack: Mail for Exchange can be used with Google to sync up/down details. I'm *told* it doesn't do pictures, though. |
| 13:51.16 | AndrewFBlack | Jaffa, for contacts? |
| 13:51.36 | Jaffa | AndrewFBlack: Yes, sorry |
| 13:52.09 | AndrewFBlack | ok I'll try again, seemed to be taking forever so I stopped it |
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| 13:52.46 | Jaffa | AndrewFBlack: See https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5835 for more |
| 13:53.22 | mikkov__ | X-Fade: extras promoter doesn't work correctly http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/ejpi/0.9.6-4/ |
| 13:54.06 | wazd | hehe, FBReader has Loox 720 as icon :) |
| 13:55.10 | RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/symbian-horizon-app-store-launched-dev-program-detailed/ |
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| 13:55.17 | RST38h | Nokia launches *another* app store |
| 13:55.20 | RST38h | Oh my god... |
| 13:55.39 | X-Fade | mikkov__: What is wrong there? |
| 13:56.07 | RST38h | They should start firing the guy who supervised the previous app store rollout every time the new one is launched |
| 13:56.16 | mikkov__ | X-Fade: read it, try to install it, see version problem with python packages |
| 13:56.37 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I think he's referring to the Python "consistency" issue described in the comments |
| 13:57.16 | X-Fade | Yeah, that seems to be related to python in the SDK again. |
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| 13:57.57 | _|Nix|_ | Boy ... the extras assistant is uncharacteristically slow ... wait ... uncharacteristically ? |
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| 13:59.28 | mgedmin | I get too much mail |
| 14:00.29 | lcuk | RST38h, im gonna open an app-store-store |
| 14:00.45 | lcuk | where mobile operators can go and buy app-stores |
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| 14:01.40 | mgedmin | ) |
| 14:01.42 | mgedmin | :) |
| 14:01.55 | timeless_mbp | fishes again |
| 14:02.04 | RST38h | lcuk; I already opened an app-store! where is my money fountain? |
| 14:02.07 | timeless_mbp | hey, someone wanted me to poke someone about fbreader? |
| 14:02.16 | RST38h | Nix: At least it lets you upload. |
| 14:02.22 | RST38h | Nix: Try dput... |
| 14:03.00 | _|Nix|_ | RST38h: Doesn't like my pubkey anymore, for some reason, but anyway. I'm just looking forward to getting my Pidgin via extras-devel, rather than building my own. |
| 14:03.07 | _|Nix|_ | I hope everything works out OK. |
| 14:03.13 | _|Nix|_ | ... with the build. |
| 14:03.19 | RST38h | Nix: No, it always prints that message when it fails |
| 14:03.27 | msh_ | mikkov__: I reckon it's related to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5818 |
| 14:03.28 | RST38h | Nix: May not have anything to do with your pubkey |
| 14:03.47 | msh_ | you're perhaps |
| 14:03.52 | msh_ | s/you're// |
| 14:03.54 | mgedmin | is waiting for a maemo5ified fbreader |
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| 14:04.28 | wazd | first Navigation that uses AA :) |
| 14:04.30 | wazd | http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2009/10/500x_Layers-P8.jpg |
| 14:05.04 | _|Nix|_ | Is there any package in Fremantle that provides a notification area? |
| 14:05.46 | _|Nix|_ | ... Pidgin has a notification area icon, but it does nothing in FM, because the FM status area doesn't act as a notification area, like it did in Chinook/Diablo. |
| 14:06.42 | X-Fade | _|Nix|_: Check what loadapplet does? |
| 14:06.48 | Stskeeps | ANNOUNCEMENT: My first day as maemo.org distmaster, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=359877 |
| 14:06.57 | _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: That makes a status area plugin. |
| 14:07.03 | _|Nix|_ | ... always did. |
| 14:07.08 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: congrats |
| 14:08.06 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: ta |
| 14:08.25 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Congrats ;) |
| 14:08.37 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: And welcome to the team of course ;) |
| 14:08.39 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 14:08.56 | w00t | claps |
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| 14:08.56 | Stskeeps | what i always wanted for almost half a year now |
| 14:08.58 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Congratulations! |
| 14:09.03 | wazd | Stskeeps: they've made up fake position for you? :D |
| 14:09.07 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Glad it got started :) |
| 14:09.13 | Corsac | Stskeeps: congrats :) |
| 14:09.13 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Let me create an email alias for you. |
| 14:09.21 | wazd | Stskeeps: congrats :) |
| 14:09.37 | _|Nix|_ | Dammit! I wanted to turn on voice/video for Pidgin, but that'd only work in FM, because libfarsight is only in FM. Is there a way to depend on a package, but only if it's available? I don't want to have a different control file for FM than I have for Diablo and Chinook. |
| 14:09.40 | fiferboy | lardman: ping? |
| 14:10.07 | Corsac | _|Nix|_: no |
| 14:10.12 | mgedmin | hm, does the app manager pay attention to the Recommends: field? |
| 14:10.31 | Stskeeps | wazd: i have a role described so not entirely fake ;) |
| 14:10.34 | Corsac | well, you could depend on libfarsight-dev |, but I'm not sure it's a good idea |
| 14:10.41 | _|Nix|_ | Corsac: Great ... I'm starting to think about running fakeroot apt-get install ... from debian/rules ... |
| 14:10.54 | Corsac | don't ever think about that |
| 14:11.02 | mgedmin | if not, then something can be hacked with Depends: your-optional_library | some-package-that-is-only-in-diablo | some-package-that-is-only-in-mistral |
| 14:11.34 | _|Nix|_ | Corsac: Well how else can I have one package for all these distros? |
| 14:11.41 | lopz | hi ;) |
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| 14:12.04 | _|Nix|_ | mgedmin: But I don't want some-package-that-is-only-in-diable-that-pidgin-doesnt-normally-need. |
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| 14:12.48 | mgedmin | _|Nix|_: I was thinking about some system-preinstalled package |
| 14:13.08 | _|Nix|_ | mgedmin: But, come to think of it, uploading a package to chinook extras devel called chinook, and one to diablo extras-devel called diablo would be nice. |
| 14:13.18 | _|Nix|_ | Then, you could say libfarsight0.10-dev |
| 14:13.25 | _|Nix|_ | Then, you could say libfarsight0.10-dev | diablo | chinook |
| 14:13.48 | _|Nix|_ | ... and you could do the same for any other package that is not available in all distros. |
| 14:16.40 | mgedmin | hm |
| 14:16.54 | mgedmin | after some thought I'm thinking it's not a very good idea |
| 14:16.56 | mgedmin | leads to hacks |
| 14:17.04 | mgedmin | it's better to test for functionality rather than software version |
| 14:17.17 | mgedmin | if you always need libfarsight, depend on it |
| 14:17.27 | mgedmin | if you don't need it but want to have it, use recommends: |
| 14:17.58 | mgedmin | if it's already provided by some system package with a different name, use conditional depends |
| 14:18.00 | _|Nix|_ | mgedmin: Yeah, but there's no such thing as Build-Recommends:, is there? |
| 14:18.15 | mgedmin | aahm okay |
| 14:18.22 | mgedmin | hm |
| 14:18.49 | _|Nix|_ | ... and the problem is the bot will not pull it if I don't depend on it. |
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| 14:18.54 | mgedmin | maintaining two different source packages is the only clean solution I can think of |
| 14:19.02 | _|Nix|_ | Of course. |
| 14:19.09 | _|Nix|_ | That always kills me. |
| 14:19.20 | mgedmin | with modern DVCSes that ought to be easy, no? |
| 14:20.05 | _|Nix|_ | *sigh* ... I guess ... I'm about ready to do that. |
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| 14:20.51 | _|Nix|_ | But for now I'll think I'll turn voice/video back off. Better to have Pidgin in FM without V/V and work on it later, than not have Pidgin in FM. |
| 14:20.59 | javispedro | congrats Stskeeps :) |
| 14:21.16 | mgedmin | yep |
| 14:21.18 | _|Nix|_ | Although it'll probably fail on Chinook and Diablo and succeed on FM as it is now. |
| 14:21.20 | mgedmin | perfect is enemy of the best |
| 14:21.25 | mgedmin | um |
| 14:21.26 | Stskeeps | javispedro: ta |
| 14:21.30 | mgedmin | s/the best/good/ |
| 14:21.56 | _|Nix|_ | So Pidgin will have V/V in FM ... unless something else is broken. |
| 14:23.17 | lardman | re |
| 14:23.29 | X-Fade | mikkov__: I think that manually pushing python-glade2 will help |
| 14:23.43 | lardman | Stskeeps: congrats btw |
| 14:27.33 | fiferboy | lardman: Did you get your source to compile? |
| 14:27.39 | lardman | yes thanks |
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| 14:27.54 | lardman | not checked whether it runs yet |
| 14:28.15 | RST38h | Stskeeps: way to go = |
| 14:28.22 | f00bar80 | i found a lot of prices for the linux based 3G unlocked N900 , i can't get neither know a fixed price , any comment ? |
| 14:29.37 | RST38h | f00: not yet released, you are being swindled |
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| 14:29.59 | lardman | fiferboy: segfault of course ;) |
| 14:30.03 | SpeedEvil | f00bar80: where are you? |
| 14:30.14 | SpeedEvil | f00bar80: and what do you mean by a fixed price? |
| 14:30.22 | fiferboy | lardman: Any new code should segfault at least once |
| 14:30.26 | fiferboy | It is like a right of passage |
| 14:30.31 | lardman | of course :) |
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| 14:31.07 | lardman | am back at work now, so will have to wait 'till this evening for me to fix the problem |
| 14:31.18 | fiferboy | I like to write code that crashes only for qwerty12 |
| 14:31.30 | f00bar80 | SpeedEvil, i want to nkow how much is it cause on froogle.com , i found a lot of prices starting from $300 at the time i heared that it'll not be tooo expansive |
| 14:31.41 | javispedro | heh. |
| 14:31.54 | RST38h | javis: NOT just on tmo... |
| 14:32.03 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: Talking of which, did you update personal-photo-frame? :p |
| 14:32.06 | lardman | fiferboy: how do you manage that? Use tracked to check for lots of jpegs and avis in hidden dirs with names matching pron|porn|xxx ? |
| 14:32.18 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: Fixing it now :) |
| 14:32.18 | javispedro | lardman: IKEA catalogs... |
| 14:32.23 | SpeedEvil | f00bar80: Ignore - largely - froogle and small vendors. |
| 14:32.30 | SpeedEvil | f00bar80: It's going to be >$300, by quite a margin |
| 14:32.30 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: Thanks |
| 14:32.36 | qwerty12_N810 | growls at javispedro |
| 14:32.37 | f00bar80 | SpeedEvil, and here i found it $699 http://store.nokia.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdetail_10500_10101_-1_10000367 |
| 14:32.39 | fiferboy | lardman: lol |
| 14:32.54 | lardman | javispedro: do IKEA catalogues contain naked ladies these days? |
| 14:33.07 | SpeedEvil | f00bar80: that's the nokia price - some places have it at a relatively small discount. |
| 14:33.28 | javispedro | f00bar80: dunno where you read "cheap", but I wouldn't call the N900 cheap at all (not entering any qualite/price discussion) |
| 14:33.30 | f00bar80 | SpeedEvil, like ? |
| 14:33.42 | f00bar80 | SpeedEvil, so those who sell it for $300 are fake ? |
| 14:34.02 | X-Fade | f00bar80: Unless sold with a subscription, yes. |
| 14:34.13 | javispedro | lardman: well, dunno. But at least I know qwerty has a lot of them, efficiently downloaded through a P2P protocol :) |
| 14:34.15 | SpeedEvil | f00bar80: Given that the phone has not shipped at all, from anyone, I would hold off on ordering from anyone offering it at $300. |
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| 14:34.41 | SpeedEvil | f00bar80: It's not going to be half price any time soon at any legit store that does not subsidise it. |
| 14:34.51 | lardman | javispedro: interesting...... |
| 14:34.56 | SpeedEvil | (barring one-off special offers) |
| 14:35.09 | javispedro | there are a few ebayers selling at â¬400. I wouldn't buy from them, but I've seen several guys in the fansites already opening their wallets |
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| 14:35.42 | f00bar80 | SpeedEvil, what could be safe stores other than nokia ? |
| 14:36.01 | lardman | local phone shop? |
| 14:36.01 | lcuk | $300 for a phone, $50 for battery, $50 for charger, $200 for headphones. and whats that sir, you want a box and instruction manual with that? |
| 14:36.10 | SpeedEvil | f00bar80: large stores. Amazon - direct - not through small merchants listing on amazon. |
| 14:36.19 | SpeedEvil | f00bar80: places you see on every high-street. |
| 14:36.21 | javispedro | $200 for headphones? they better have gold plated contacts then. |
| 14:36.38 | lardman | javispedro: and low oxygen copper cable too! ;) |
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| 14:36.55 | lcuk | no javis, gold is for l00sers, these are platinum tipped. only the best for you |
| 14:36.56 | RST38h | and the pads made of the purest argentinian guano |
| 14:37.14 | javispedro | lol |
| 14:37.16 | derf | $200 is not unheard of for headphones. |
| 14:37.20 | lardman | from a golden goose? |
| 14:37.30 | javispedro | that's a MONSTER headphone (pun intended) |
| 14:37.31 | SpeedEvil | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/28/google-redefines-car-gps-navigation-google-maps-navigation-android/ hmm. |
| 14:37.34 | RST38h | lardman: from the freaking chupacabra |
| 14:37.36 | SpeedEvil | That is quite awesome. |
| 14:37.40 | lardman | :) |
| 14:37.47 | derf | All those poor people with golden ears need headphones that expensive. |
| 14:37.55 | SpeedEvil | There are other reasons |
| 14:38.08 | RST38h | derf: that is not golden ears, by purely mental problems |
| 14:38.08 | SpeedEvil | comfort for long-term wear, light weight, sound isolation |
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| 14:38.26 | RST38h | derf: especially considering that a lot of them play mp3 s over that =0 |
| 14:38.28 | X-Fade | SpeedEvil: Hmm I'm pretty sure I've seen a tomtom patent on that? :) |
| 14:38.43 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: I think google have smart lawyers. |
| 14:38.46 | derf | RST38h: I work with audio codec developers. |
| 14:38.53 | derf | There really _are_ people who can hear like that. |
| 14:38.57 | lardman | SpeedEvil: looks very cool |
| 14:39.02 | mikkov__ | X-Fade: yes, promoting python-glade2 will help. Automatic promotion should check after updating packages that all other packages are still installable after the update to make it "fool proof". |
| 14:39.05 | derf | It seems like more of a curse than a blessing. |
| 14:39.06 | lardman | SpeedEvil: so we have some coding to do then :) |
| 14:39.12 | SpeedEvil | lardman: and some mapping. |
| 14:39.39 | RST38h | Google adds free turn-by-turn navigation, car dock UI to Android 2.0 |
| 14:39.46 | X-Fade | mikkov__: Yeah, something is not quite right in the promotion check. I'm trying to find what ;) |
| 14:39.56 | X-Fade | mikkov__: But that is quite complicated. |
| 14:40.00 | RST38h | derf: probably much fewer of them than "audiophiles" |
| 14:40.03 | lardman | SpeedEvil: ah, we can scrape that ;) |
| 14:40.06 | mikkov__ | X-Fade: yes it is ;) |
| 14:40.18 | derf | RST38h: Yeah, but somebody's gotta subsidize the development :). |
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| 14:40.30 | RST38h | derf: hehe 8) |
| 14:40.34 | mikkov__ | X-Fade: but I don't understand why python packages have hard version depencies |
| 14:40.55 | X-Fade | mikkov__: They're in the same source package. |
| 14:41.19 | X-Fade | mikkov__: but we should ask lizardo. |
| 14:42.41 | mikkov__ | X-Fade: updating libraries by only trusting autopromoter to do handle it isn't very good practice imho |
| 14:43.07 | f00bar80 | SpeedEvil, can you help me find a store for an unlocked one, which you better advice it for me ? |
| 14:43.07 | X-Fade | mikkov__: No, but usually we don't see this problem. |
| 14:43.17 | derf | RST38h: Monty is really rather scary. He'll sit down for a double-blind test at "transparent" bitrates and not only tell you what codec was used for each sample, but also what filtering was used on the supposed "original" source. |
| 14:43.20 | X-Fade | mikkov__: Python mess in sdk triggers this issue. |
| 14:43.47 | SpeedEvil | f00bar80: Any large online or retail store. Avoid small retailers. |
| 14:43.48 | wazd | I wonder if Google will release any of their software on Maemo |
| 14:44.05 | SpeedEvil | wazd: unlikely - if they want to push the android platform |
| 14:44.34 | f00bar80 | SpeedEvil, help me please find one |
| 14:44.34 | SpeedEvil | Especially given that the maps app is not redistributable legally |
| 14:44.34 | wazd | SpeedEvil: well, they are releasing it on the iPhone :) |
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| 14:44.34 | lardman | derf: and get it right I presume? |
| 14:44.38 | derf | lardman: Right. |
| 14:44.52 | lardman | rather impressive |
| 14:44.54 | SpeedEvil | f00bar80: the nokia store, or amazon - direct sales. |
| 14:45.06 | derf | Well, it's harder to verify the comments about the original source. |
| 14:45.15 | f00bar80 | SpeedEvil, give me a link |
| 14:46.21 | lardman | f00bar80: where are you based? |
| 14:46.21 | f00bar80 | lardman, egypt |
| 14:46.21 | lardman | ah, ok, no deals on phone + tariff there then? |
| 14:54.59 | f00bar80 | lardman, thin n900 not there yet and if it's , it'll be a lot expensive |
| 14:54.59 | SpeedEvil | f00bar80: I have no idea of where you'd go about buying a phone in egypt. |
| 14:54.59 | SpeedEvil | f00bar80: n900 is not available anywhere yet |
| 14:54.59 | lardman | f00bar80: not here yet either |
| 14:55.02 | lardman | but some of the subsidised deals make it pretty cheap, as you do need a data contract anyway |
| 14:55.02 | lardman | when it's released of course |
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| 19:28.40 | fiferboy | hi infobot! |
| 19:28.55 | fiferboy | ~infobot: hi |
| 19:28.56 | infobot | hello, fiferboy |
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| 19:29.44 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: Sorry, you don't get karma by saying hi |
| 19:29.48 | lcuk | Xisdibik, bluetooth glasses? |
| 19:30.07 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: I was just happy to see infobot operational |
| 19:30.08 | fiferboy | ~karma fiferboy |
| 19:30.08 | infobot | fiferboy has karma of 2 |
| 19:30.12 | fiferboy | :D |
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| 19:30.25 | skibur | pidgin update what happen to the send button? |
| 19:33.06 | lardman | fiferboy: spot any obvious errors in that code? |
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| 19:33.11 | luke-jr | fiferboy-- |
| 19:33.18 | luke-jr | ~karma fiferboy |
| 19:33.18 | infobot | fiferboy has karma of 2 |
| 19:33.21 | luke-jr | -.- |
| 19:33.31 | fiferboy | luke-jr: You can't karma sap me! |
| 19:33.52 | fiferboy | lardman: Not really. I will check against some of my apps to see if there are any differences in the gtk_main process |
| 19:34.15 | fiferboy | lardman: The segfault happens after 8? |
| 19:34.27 | Xisdibik | lcuk, Bluetooth Virtual Reality Glasses/goggles/mask whatever you wanna call it :) |
| 19:34.51 | qwerty12_N810 | ~luke-jr-- |
| 19:34.54 | luke-jr | ~karma luke-jr |
| 19:34.54 | infobot | luke-jr has karma of -1 |
| 19:34.55 | lcuk | does BT support wireless video? |
| 19:34.56 | luke-jr | :( |
| 19:35.00 | luke-jr | ~fiferboy-- |
| 19:35.05 | luke-jr | ~qwerty12-- |
| 19:35.08 | lardman | yeah, and visible_func() runs through twice too |
| 19:35.17 | qwerty12_N810 | *grumbles* |
| 19:35.23 | luke-jr | ~karma qwerty12 |
| 19:35.23 | infobot | qwerty12 has neutral karma |
| 19:35.32 | qwerty12_N810 | w00t |
| 19:35.39 | luke-jr | ~qwerty12-- |
| 19:35.41 | luke-jr | ~karma qwerty12 |
| 19:35.41 | infobot | qwerty12 has karma of -1 |
| 19:35.46 | qwerty12_N810 | ~luke-jr-- |
| 19:35.49 | luke-jr | >:O |
| 19:35.50 | fiferboy | ~qwerty+=10 |
| 19:35.54 | luke-jr | ~karma qwerty12 |
| 19:35.54 | infobot | qwerty12 has karma of -1 |
| 19:36.00 | skibur | pidgin send button missing |
| 19:36.19 | X-Fade | skibur: isn't there a pidgin plug in for that now? |
| 19:36.24 | lcuk | ~qwerty12_N810 |
| 19:36.30 | RST38h | Here is a requirement. Please send me your updated resume along with |
| 19:36.33 | lcuk | ~karma qwerty12_N810 |
| 19:36.33 | infobot | qwerty12_n810 has neutral karma |
| 19:36.34 | RST38h | rate, contact details (both number and e-mail), availability period, bla bla bla |
| 19:36.35 | skibur | for real |
| 19:36.41 | skibur | checking |
| 19:36.44 | fiferboy | lardman: I will check for you in a little bit. Don't tell le coq, but I am compiling Qt... |
| 19:36.50 | Xisdibik | lcuk, i was just joking really, since i doubt that would be economical :) |
| 19:36.51 | RST38h | likes this direct approach. |
| 19:37.09 | RST38h | The guy does not know me, I do not know the guy, but here is a requirement indeed... |
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| 19:37.15 | GeneralAntilles | tekojo, ping? |
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| 19:37.34 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Busy playing with his beagle board I think ;) |
| 19:37.35 | derf | I hope he actually said, "bla bla bla". |
| 19:37.44 | luke-jr | lol |
| 19:37.48 | RST38h | derf: well, he went like that for another few lines |
| 19:37.49 | tekojo | GeneralAntilles pong |
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| 19:38.09 | tekojo | X-Fade close, but not quite, busy making the images :-) |
| 19:38.12 | RST38h | derf: Network Technician, 6-month contract in SC |
| 19:38.19 | X-Fade | tekojo: Ah ;) |
| 19:38.21 | lardman | fiferboy: QT! No!...... |
| 19:38.28 | tekojo | decided I should do it myself from scratch... |
| 19:38.41 | fiferboy | lardman: Don't panic, it has been building for 3 hours, so it is almost done |
| 19:38.54 | lardman | only 3 hrs, not so bad then :) |
| 19:38.55 | jubileumi | fiferboy: Finally got time to try that .desktop file. I cloned one desktop file as irssi.desktop, but it seems it still cannot lauch a shell script. Do I need to use some special osso or mime type? |
| 19:39.06 | RST38h | At least it is not a janitor... |
| 19:39.16 | AndrewFBlack | does application manger not have option to install from file anymore? |
| 19:39.18 | fiferboy | jubileumi: Do you want the script to run in a terminal? |
| 19:39.24 | jubileumi | yep |
| 19:39.36 | luke-jr | fiferboy: qt-webkit won't link on 128 MB RAM |
| 19:39.38 | fiferboy | jubileumi: There is a flag for that. Should be in the desktop file specification |
| 19:39.45 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, nope, use dpkg -i |
| 19:39.46 | pupnik | i want a searchable website where guys describe their ex girlfriends, like a reverse resume search |
| 19:39.55 | fiferboy | luke-jr: It links fine in scratchbox for i386 |
| 19:40.03 | fiferboy | armel in scratchbox, on the other hand... |
| 19:40.09 | jubileumi | fiferboy: humm.. Let's google again.. |
| 19:40.10 | X-Fade | pupnik: Bad experience? |
| 19:40.12 | RST38h | pupnik: really think you will find out anything new? |
| 19:40.13 | luke-jr | fiferboy: with 128 MB RAM? |
| 19:40.20 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, we need that back : ( |
| 19:40.24 | pupnik | i think i could find a woman i love who annoys another dude |
| 19:40.28 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, no we don't. |
| 19:40.39 | AndrewFBlack | ok I need that back I'm lazy |
| 19:40.49 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, there's an application installer package that will do it for you if you really need a GUI. |
| 19:41.01 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, we're trying to make installing random .debs from the internet difficult. ;) |
| 19:41.03 | jubileumi | fiferboy: I just made a script that it automaticly changes some locales and makes ssh con to my server and opens screened irssi. |
| 19:41.18 | AndrewFBlack | but I like random debs |
| 19:41.36 | GeneralAntilles | Then use dpkg. :P |
| 19:41.38 | GeneralAntilles | It's faster anyway. |
| 19:41.49 | lcuk | needs root |
| 19:41.52 | fiferboy | luke-jr: With 405 MB of RAM |
| 19:42.03 | lcuk | doesnt it |
| 19:42.09 | luke-jr | fiferboy: big difference |
| 19:42.16 | GeneralAntilles | wget <url> && dpkg |
| 19:42.19 | GeneralAntilles | -i <package> |
| 19:42.24 | fiferboy | I never said I was using 128 MB |
| 19:42.59 | luke-jr | fiferboy: nor Scratchbox, so I assumed you were building on N810 |
| 19:43.00 | luke-jr | :D |
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| 19:43.24 | fiferboy | I said scratchbox. But I wouldn't attemp to build it on device! :) |
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| 19:44.01 | luke-jr | fiferboy: KDE libs builds fine :) |
| 19:44.04 | luke-jr | and links |
| 19:44.10 | fiferboy | On device?! |
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| 19:48.46 | fiferboy | lardman: Nothing is jumping out at me... |
| 19:49.17 | AndrewFBlack | wow hitech theme looks good |
| 19:49.49 | RST38h | where? =) |
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| 19:51.58 | lardman | fiferboy: yeah, I may just send it to the list and see what the abook experts think |
| 19:52.27 | fiferboy | lardman: If you comment out all the abook stuff before gtk_main does it still segfault? |
| 19:52.51 | fiferboy | It could just be application setup. I realize I haven't written a hildon/gtk application for maemo5 |
| 19:52.53 | lardman | osso_abook_filter_model_set_visible_func(filter_model, visible_func, NULL, NULL); is the line that causes the later segfault |
| 19:53.06 | fiferboy | desktop widgets have initialization handled differently |
| 19:53.24 | lardman | but the visible_func() fn is called twice successfully, and it doesn't seem to segfault in that fn either |
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| 19:54.22 | fiferboy | lardman: What printf is displayed before that segfault? |
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| 19:55.25 | lardman | visible_fun() not visible. |
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| 19:55.34 | lardman | (am just trying to find the > key to save the output) |
| 19:55.50 | ablack_ | to funny I was trying to ssh into my into n900 I forgot my n810 was in the bag and connected to wrong device I was like what hte heck |
| 19:56.23 | fiferboy | lardman: Hmm, that looks like it is segfaulting after coming out of the visible_func |
| 19:56.57 | lardman | yeah, segfaulting somewhere in the gtk_main loop |
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| 19:58.11 | lardman | hmm, can't seem to direct the output to file.... |
| 19:58.14 | fiferboy | Ah, I see now |
| 19:58.30 | lardman | ./test_abook > output.txt produces empty file |
| 19:58.46 | lardman | ./test_abook 2> output.txt produces "Segmentation fault" |
| 19:59.01 | lardman | ./test_abook &> output.txt produces empty file |
| 19:59.53 | lardman | strange |
| 20:00.58 | lcuk | lardman, once you start threading the normal rules stop applying |
| 20:00.59 | lardman | can I copy from the term? |
| 20:01.03 | fiferboy | Very strange. printf output should be on stdout |
| 20:01.09 | lardman | yeah |
| 20:01.41 | lardman | even more strange, ./test_abook > output.txt doesn't show the normal output (as you'd expect it to go to the file) |
| 20:02.04 | lardman | lcuk: not threading, or rather not threading any more than the standard gtk main loop does |
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| 20:02.22 | lcuk | gulp then |
| 20:02.29 | fiferboy | lardman: why do you call g_thread_init? |
| 20:03.12 | lardman | was in the example code |
| 20:03.42 | fiferboy | Hmm, strictly speaking I don't think you need it (I could be wrong though) |
| 20:03.53 | lardman | yeah I think you're right |
| 20:04.00 | lardman | that part is shared between all the examples |
| 20:04.20 | lardman | was shared, before I pulled it into my code |
| 20:04.35 | lardman | but it should do no harm afaiu |
| 20:05.35 | lcuk | beds |
| 20:05.38 | lcuk | long day tomorrow |
| 20:05.44 | lcuk | cyas later \o |
| 20:06.22 | lardman | night lcuk |
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| 20:07.15 | lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m3be24805 output there |
| 20:07.19 | Firebird | woa, posts in off-topic don't count as posts? |
| 20:07.40 | lardman | typed by hand, as still no clue why redirection doesn't work |
| 20:08.43 | lardman | anyway bbl, need to boot Windows and do some dayjob work |
| 20:09.00 | lardman | fiferboy: thanks for looking :) |
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| 20:13.46 | jubileumi | fiferboy: I found a dirt pile.. Seems that it ain't so easy to launch sh through .desktop file. I'm not the only one: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg02570.html |
| 20:14.14 | fiferboy | jubileumi: Maybe I should build personal-launcher for fremantle :) |
| 20:14.18 | GeneralAntilles | jubileumi, maybe reference the vim .desktop? |
| 20:14.34 | jubileumi | I only get a blank screen although terminal is true and exec is the shell script |
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| 20:14.56 | qwerty12_N810 | jubileumi: Can you pastebin your desktop file? |
| 20:15.07 | jubileumi | um.. wait a sec.. |
| 20:15.19 | qwerty12_N810 | jubileumi: The Terminal option is ignored under Maemo |
| 20:15.44 | jubileumi | fcuk |
| 20:17.12 | jubileumi | I had epic typo! :DDD |
| 20:17.22 | jubileumi | let's try few more times.. |
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| 20:22.46 | johnsq | Hi |
| 20:22.47 | jubileumi | Sam without typos.. |
| 20:22.52 | jubileumi | http://pastebin.com/m712637bd |
| 20:24.13 | jubileumi | Irssi "app" is starting and there's this progress icon only scrolling.. :( |
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| 20:26.01 | jubileumi | UUU |
| 20:26.09 | jubileumi | got it working |
| 20:26.24 | johnsq | i just start a terminal and type irrsi. |
| 20:26.56 | jubileumi | exec=/usr/bin/osso-xterm /home/user/irssiin.sh |
| 20:27.19 | jubileumi | well I always had to change locale before connection. |
| 20:27.22 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 20:27.35 | jubileumi | And now I have this fancy icon to use. :) |
| 20:27.54 | jubileumi | Thanks guys for helping maemo n00b.. |
| 20:28.02 | qwerty12_N900 | Hiya, Andy80 |
| 20:28.05 | wazd | I have a nice lockscreen idea :) |
| 20:28.07 | wazd | http://www.kljucavnica.net/images/tip1p.jpg |
| 20:28.12 | johnsq | jubileumi: you can move the osso-xterm into the script |
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| 20:28.28 | qwerty12_N900 | jubileumi: I promise I was just gonna say to do that :) |
| 20:28.29 | wazd | with all beeps and stuff :) |
| 20:28.54 | jubileumi | qwerty12_N900: yeah right.. :DD |
| 20:29.19 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: so, is someone poking zenity? :) |
| 20:29.27 | qwerty12_N900 | I just got it working :p |
| 20:29.37 | timeless_mbp | as in fingerable? |
| 20:30.12 | qwerty12_N900 | Remind me tomorrow :) |
| 20:30.12 | johnsq | wazd: 99% of the passwords are 12345678 |
| 20:30.53 | wazd | johnsq: well, it's cool looking anyway :) |
| 20:31.01 | jubileumi | Hate that the new keylock switch on n900 , because it ain't working correctly :( |
| 20:31.21 | wazd | some sliding doors with keypad in the center :) |
| 20:31.47 | jubileumi | I was meaning the mechanical switch o.o |
| 20:32.09 | jubileumi | Sometimes you need to yank it twice :/ |
| 20:32.28 | lbt | thinks 'yank' may be relevant |
| 20:32.40 | lbt | try 'caress' |
| 20:33.06 | jubileumi | :) |
| 20:33.21 | jubileumi | But it's obvious bug |
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| 20:33.53 | jubileumi | I only thought that symbian guys could do that type of flaw.. :DD |
| 20:35.24 | jubileumi | sorry for flaming, but i've seen these things too closely. Without really getting my hands dirty. |
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| 20:37.17 | hcarrega | status on sales in europe? |
| 20:37.25 | hcarrega | november 2? |
| 20:37.52 | SpeedEvil | I vote for november 27. |
| 20:38.13 | hcarrega | hum |
| 20:38.39 | hcarrega | expansys and fnac online in my country predicts november 2 |
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| 20:38.56 | SpeedEvil | So wait a week |
| 20:39.02 | SpeedEvil | and see if htey're right. |
| 20:39.04 | hcarrega | yape |
| 20:39.07 | hcarrega | :) |
| 20:39.18 | hcarrega | nothing more i can do |
| 20:39.48 | hcarrega | and if not i go to fnac and shit on door:) |
| 20:39.52 | hcarrega | roroor |
| 20:40.30 | GeneralAntilles | jubileumi, works great here. |
| 20:40.32 | GeneralAntilles | 41-10? |
| 20:42.39 | qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: BTW, is having the Control Panel applet, for the strings, working a planned feature? :p |
| 20:42.54 | timeless_mbp | i'd like to, yes |
| 20:43.06 | timeless_mbp | but someone needs to give me a bsd-ish launcher link host |
| 20:43.41 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, i'll be in scl.ca.us next week |
| 20:43.48 | timeless_mbp | so not much will happen on my side there |
| 20:44.03 | timeless_mbp | i did start working on that launcher code, but i can't remember what happened to it |
| 20:44.04 | GeneralAntilles | Ping anybody with > 500 karma who wants a cloak? |
| 20:44.15 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: how do i apply a cloak? |
| 20:44.34 | qwerty12_N900 | GeneralAntilles: Me! Me! Me! (Please :)) |
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| 20:44.58 | qwerty12_N900 | timeless: Do you have the code for your current one available anywhere? |
| 20:45.09 | timeless_mbp | lemme look |
| 20:45.11 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, good with /Maemo/community/contributor/timeless? |
| 20:45.25 | timeless_mbp | sure |
| 20:45.29 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, X-Fade has to send a list to somebody at Freenode. |
| 20:46.23 | GeneralAntilles | Just collecting yes/nos from people for now. |
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| 20:47.23 | timeless_mbp | oh wait |
| 20:47.34 | timeless_mbp | i have to actively maintain my nickserv username/password? |
| 20:47.35 | timeless_mbp | that'll suck |
| 20:47.43 | GeneralAntilles | Hum? |
| 20:47.52 | timeless_mbp | doesn't know how cloaks work |
| 20:47.53 | GeneralAntilles | Just setup your client to autologin? |
| 20:48.01 | GeneralAntilles | It replaces your hostmask |
| 20:48.11 | GeneralAntilles | assuming you're identified with nickserv |
| 20:48.12 | timeless_mbp | yeah um... i've never really setup nickserv in my irc clients :) |
| 20:48.16 | timeless_mbp | is old fashioned |
| 20:48.26 | timeless_mbp | nickserv is too new for me :) |
| 20:48.27 | jubileumi | GeneralAntilles: Wait that screen goes blank and caress the switch just after it.. For me the screen stays blank unles I YANK again. :) |
| 20:48.30 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it's pretty easy to do. :P |
| 20:48.39 | GeneralAntilles | jubileumi, weird. |
| 20:48.47 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: yes, i have sources |
| 20:49.05 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, nickserv has been around since, like the 90s. |
| 20:49.22 | jubileumi | and running 42-9 |
| 20:49.33 | timeless_mbp | well, i started irc'ing in roughly 98 |
| 20:49.34 | GeneralAntilles | jubileumi, ah, 41-10 here. |
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| 20:50.12 | jubileumi | But earlier I used this with some really old sw and it didn't have this "feature" |
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| 20:50.43 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/qwerty-cpa.c |
| 20:50.45 | qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: Give me the source for the CPA and I'll make it launch zenity. Any additions I do can be licensed under whatever |
| 20:50.48 | GeneralAntilles | jubileumi, probably it's blank -> lock -> unlock. |
| 20:50.49 | qwerty12_N900 | Got it |
| 20:50.51 | GeneralAntilles | Just tap the screen instead. |
| 20:51.18 | jubileumi | GeneralAntilles: NOT! |
| 20:51.19 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: ideally one could build it w/ -D LOCALE=enus |
| 20:51.26 | GeneralAntilles | jubileumi, hum? |
| 20:51.27 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: there's a major build error in the code |
| 20:51.39 | timeless_mbp | we fixed it on another computer, but i didn't copy it back |
| 20:51.44 | timeless_mbp | lemme find the magic for that |
| 20:51.51 | jubileumi | GeneralAntilles: how can I tell has it already locked or is it just blanked? |
| 20:52.14 | GeneralAntilles | jubileumi, depends on your autolock setting, I think. |
| 20:52.21 | X-Fade | jubileumi: if keyboard is in, it is always locked? |
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| 20:52.49 | jubileumi | Well that is the thing that this kind of switch should always lid the screen |
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| 20:52.53 | GeneralAntilles | Alternatively, I think you could just use the keyboard to unlock. |
| 20:53.12 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: reload the url |
| 20:53.13 | jubileumi | so maybe I just but all the timeouts to same value. |
| 20:53.59 | hcarrega | http://www.expansys.pt/d.aspx?i=188856 |
| 20:54.06 | hcarrega | 2 days |
| 20:54.08 | qwerty12_N900 | timeless: got it :) |
| 20:54.22 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 20:54.42 | X-Fade | hcarrega: You don't have to actively poll for release dates. I'm sure you will know when it is available. ;) |
| 20:55.16 | hcarrega | hum |
| 20:55.19 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, Cap'n Corrupt picks the Droid. |
| 20:55.22 | GeneralAntilles | Finally. |
| 20:55.38 | jubileumi | yep.. You just go for a walk and suddenly notive tat everyone is carrying n900. :D |
| 20:55.54 | jubileumi | * notice |
| 20:56.15 | Mousey | still harbors doubts about right handed space bar |
| 20:56.43 | X-Fade | millenomi: Got used to that in 30 secs or so.. |
| 20:56.46 | jubileumi | for me it's goood |
| 20:56.46 | timeless_mbp | jubileumi: where are you walking? |
| 20:56.47 | GeneralAntilles | Mousey, do you have trouble typing with your left thumb? |
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| 20:56.59 | Mousey | not particularily |
| 20:57.06 | Mousey | i do more of that than with my right thumb |
| 20:57.11 | GeneralAntilles | Well, why should the spacebar be any different? |
| 20:57.21 | GeneralAntilles | Er |
| 20:57.23 | GeneralAntilles | Reverse that. |
| 20:57.24 | Mousey | because its farther from my left thumb |
| 20:57.28 | X-Fade | Mousey: You can reach it with your left thumb. |
| 20:57.29 | GeneralAntilles | is doing too much multitasking. |
| 20:57.40 | jubileumi | timeless_mbp: it was a reply for that poll for release dates. |
| 20:57.49 | X-Fade | Mousey: If you really want to ;) |
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| 20:58.04 | Mousey | still wonders |
| 20:58.09 | timeless_mbp | hcarrega: 5 working days, they probably aren't currently working :) |
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| 20:59.03 | hcarrega | i will wait |
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| 21:06.39 | lbt | wazd: ping |
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| 21:07.44 | achipa | /who |
| 21:07.54 | achipa | oops |
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| 21:09.53 | Proteous | the 2.0 update for my n97 thankfully addressed the one problem that annoyed me most |
| 21:10.06 | Proteous | the lock/unlock funtionality was always sorta sketchy |
| 21:10.09 | Proteous | now it is rock solid |
| 21:10.41 | Proteous | and they disabled the camera and zoom buttons from activiating the "THis phones is locked" dialog from poping up and activating the screen |
| 21:10.56 | Proteous | I always managed to hit one of thsoe buttons when taking the phone out of my picket |
| 21:11.00 | Proteous | pocket |
| 21:11.52 | wazd | lbt: pong :) |
| 21:12.17 | Proteous | now if they had only made the browsers 10 times faster it would almost be as good as a n900... |
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| 21:13.45 | lbt | wazd: msg |
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| 21:19.36 | wazd | lbt: sorry, I have weird msg system, please write again now) |
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| 21:22.20 | GeneralAntilles | Damn! |
| 21:22.23 | GeneralAntilles | Missed the BoC |
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| 21:30.41 | GeneralAntilles | is really tired of the Droid commercials. |
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| 21:31.24 | lbt | Jaffa: elena made some more comments today |
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| 21:33.36 | lbt | X-Fade: are we supposed to get email notifications for wiki edits on watched pages? |
| 21:33.49 | X-Fade | lbt: only once |
| 21:34.06 | X-Fade | lbt: until you visit the page again. |
| 21:34.16 | lbt | OK |
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| 21:40.24 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: did that file compile? |
| 21:41.27 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: Haven't tried, as I'm on a tablet |
| 21:41.34 | timeless_mbp | ah |
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| 21:42.53 | fiferboy | N900 at the dinner table \o/ |
| 21:43.08 | Stskeeps | fiferwife killing you yet? |
| 21:43.13 | TomaszD | anyone knows how to use tab autocompletion in xchat on the n900? |
| 21:43.14 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferwife angry! |
| 21:43.29 | lbt | fiferboy: you bought her one? |
| 21:43.48 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 21:43.53 | fiferboy | fiferwife is done dinner :) |
| 21:44.04 | GeneralAntilles | TomaszD, figure out a way to bind tab to a key. |
| 21:44.33 | qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Oh, did I tell you? The N900 doesn't even read that rx-51 keymap file |
| 21:44.38 | Andy80 | TomaszD: ehm... where is xchat on N900 ? |
| 21:45.05 | TomaszD | I don't even remember which repo I got it from |
| 21:45.06 | TomaszD | but I do have it |
| 21:45.24 | qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: ATM, my N900 is running with that file deleted and all the keys in a working state... |
| 21:45.38 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, yeah, that's the conclusion I came to. |
| 21:45.43 | uhsf | what does xchat have over pidgin? |
| 21:45.46 | GeneralAntilles | It's getting its info from HAL, I assume |
| 21:45.52 | GeneralAntilles | but I don't know where HAL gets the keymap. |
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| 21:46.06 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, anybody you could poke internally? My pleas to the list went unheaded. |
| 21:46.15 | GeneralAntilles | s/head/heed/ |
| 21:46.19 | timeless_mbp | about which? |
| 21:46.28 | GeneralAntilles | How to remap keys in Maemo 5. |
| 21:46.35 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 21:46.45 | timeless_mbp | is that an x11 thing? |
| 21:46.45 | GeneralAntilles | The xkb symbols files don't do anything. |
| 21:46.49 | GeneralAntilles | xmodmap just breaks stuff |
| 21:46.53 | GeneralAntilles | I think the binding is in HAL now |
| 21:47.03 | GeneralAntilles | but I don't know where that would be. |
| 21:47.07 | timeless_mbp | so... the x11 side of things is a public guy |
| 21:47.34 | GeneralAntilles | Daniel still? |
| 21:47.37 | timeless_mbp | daniel stone |
| 21:47.44 | timeless_mbp | he's no longer with us directly |
| 21:47.57 | timeless_mbp | but he's still working on it |
| 21:48.12 | timeless_mbp | so if it has anything to do w/ x11, you can try contacting him |
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| 21:48.23 | GeneralAntilles | Supposedly he reads the lists |
| 21:48.32 | GeneralAntilles | since he often replies there, but he hasn't replied so far, unfortunately. |
| 21:48.44 | timeless_mbp | i have no idea who does hal |
| 21:49.12 | timeless_mbp | is there a listed maintainer? |
| 21:49.35 | GeneralAntilles | Guillem Jover |
| 21:52.02 | ifreq | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.05 | ifreq | Each logical hardware device is represented as a D-Bus object, and its bus address is used as a unique identifier. Devices include abstractions like disk partitions and visible wireless networks. The device's functionality is exposed through D-Bus interfaces, and its state accessed through properties, a set of key-value pairs. |
| 21:52.10 | ifreq | thats how it works |
| 21:52.11 | ifreq | sorry for huge paste. |
| 21:52.35 | ifreq | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_(software) |
| 21:54.02 | ifreq | on normal leenox: hal-setup-keymap binary that is necessary for the multimedia key re-mapping support. |
| 21:54.27 | ifreq | i mean on normal platform ie x64 or x86 |
| 21:54.51 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: "Select color" in HeColorDialog should be "Select Colour" if the locale is en_GB (Mind, it should be that too if the locale is en_US, but that's another story...) |
| 21:55.00 | qwerty12_N810 | *colour |
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| 21:57.34 | timeless_mbp | slaps qwerty12_N810 |
| 21:58.06 | qwerty12_N810 | :( |
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| 22:00.17 | GeneralAntilles | ifreq, great, but that doesn't help us here. ;) |
| 22:00.29 | GeneralAntilles | I've been through every HAL guide for normal Linux I could find. |
| 22:00.31 | GeneralAntilles | No dice. |
| 22:02.25 | ifreq | GeneralAntilles: yeh, just tried to help :) |
| 22:02.54 | GeneralAntilles | ifreq, Nokia loves to use standard tools to do really bizarre non-standard things. |
| 22:02.57 | ifreq | would be easier to test stuff with real physical hw, but no dice there either... still waiting n900 promo |
| 22:03.03 | ifreq | hah |
| 22:03.10 | ifreq | thats a bit sad |
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| 22:03.14 | GeneralAntilles | Indeed |
| 22:03.21 | GeneralAntilles | Thus, Mer. |
| 22:03.27 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, like your cloak? ;) |
| 22:04.22 | andre__ | yesss!! :) |
| 22:04.38 | andre__ | and now don't tell me anything about IP addresses or so ;-) |
| 22:05.09 | Ceron^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-uaXyc6Mlw n900 will be as old as this video is by the time its released |
| 22:05.48 | Xisdibik | wait, the n900 is real? its not vaporware? :O |
| 22:06.23 | Ceron^ | it wont be vaporware when its as old as the video! |
| 22:06.58 | Xisdibik | haha |
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| 22:08.31 | Xisdibik | GeneralAntilles, do you like your n900 as much as you did the day you were handed it? |
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| 22:11.29 | wazd | hope n900 will be like that video |
| 22:11.34 | wazd | always cool and rocking :D |
| 22:11.41 | wazd | ELO ftw :) |
| 22:11.48 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, hmm, I miss myself on the cloak list, but I can also survive without becoming one... :) |
| 22:12.14 | Ceron^ | wazd: YEH |
| 22:12.16 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, staff. |
| 22:12.25 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.26 | Ceron^ | ELO legend of the legends |
| 22:12.43 | wazd | They reminds me Queen but in Pop/electro world :) |
| 22:13.03 | andre__ | aahh.... sorry :) |
| 22:13.22 | GeneralAntilles | Xisdibik, well, since I've spent the last month and a half beating it to death to expose bugs and testing alpha and beta software. . . . |
| 22:13.37 | GeneralAntilles | It's sort of irritating me. But as lcuk might say, it's a great piece of kit. |
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| 22:14.14 | Ceron^ | GeneralAntilles: for you its not always cool and rocking like ELO? |
| 22:14.43 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, excluded the people who already got them from the list. :P |
| 22:15.24 | X-Fade | Ok, time to get some sleep. See you all tomorrow.. |
| 22:15.45 | andre__ | yeah, should have taken a look myself here first. or also go to sleep :) |
| 22:16.00 | lbt | night X-Fade |
| 22:16.13 | lcuk | lol GeneralAntilles irritating that you have to quote me, or the device irritates you? |
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| 22:16.27 | fiferboy | qwerty_n810 - good point about locale |
| 22:16.44 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, the device. |
| 22:16.55 | lcuk | i agree |
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| 22:17.13 | lcuk | thankfully its niggles rather than serious defects |
| 22:18.19 | lcuk | anyway, im sleeping now again |
| 22:18.22 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: Just change it to "Select colour" for all locales and call it a day... |
| 22:18.23 | lcuk | o/ |
| 22:19.55 | Woolly | o/ |
| 22:20.31 | Woolly | o_ > o/ > o_ > o/ |
| 22:20.41 | qwerty12_N810 | ..|.. |
| 22:21.45 | Corsac | damn, I missed the delay thread |
| 22:21.48 | Woolly | any gstreamer masters here? |
| 22:22.11 | Woolly | the gstreamer IRC appears devoid of comments |
| 22:22.30 | andre__ | not me. but if you have a gstreamer question you could maybe post it. |
| 22:26.00 | wazd | Dolph Lundgren has finished FIVE universities |
| 22:26.43 | wazd | Yeah, I can't say anything too :D |
| 22:26.46 | lcuk | for breakfast? |
| 22:28.47 | wazd | Seriously, imagine Dolph as first class physisist |
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| 22:30.21 | wazd | Royal Tech Uni (Sweden), Wash Uni, Sidney Uni, Massachussets tech uni, and school of dramatic arts |
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| 22:34.07 | lardman | re |
| 22:34.35 | maswan | wazd: chemical engineer not physicist, IIRC. |
| 22:35.43 | Anidel | ok, I totally missed the cloak thingy...how do I get a cloak to myself? |
| 22:35.44 | lardman | good Lord, a2dp is really crap atm due to something or other |
| 22:36.12 | GeneralAntilles | Anidel, noted. |
| 22:36.19 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, how about you? |
| 22:36.27 | lardman | cloak? |
| 22:36.31 | lardman | sure |
| 22:36.32 | Anidel | thanks.. that was it? :) I can go around with my fancy maemo.org cloak now? |
| 22:36.55 | GeneralAntilles | Anidel, as soon as I get the list together and it gets handed over to Freenode. |
| 22:37.07 | Anidel | can I keep my hood on ? or will Tesco kick me off ? |
| 22:37.08 | Anidel | :p |
| 22:37.14 | Anidel | thanks ga ;) |
| 22:37.22 | lardman | cheers |
| 22:37.49 | Anidel | lardman you missed the discussion on -community as well,didn't ya@ |
| 22:37.51 | Anidel | ? |
| 22:37.58 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, ping? |
| 22:38.21 | RST38h | Apple will "vigorously" defend itself against Nokia's patent infringement suit, according to Cupertino's SEC 10-K annual-report filing (PDF) issued Tuesday. |
| 22:38.26 | lardman | Anidel: I saw the tail end on the email |
| 22:38.41 | lardman | aaargh! bloody a2dp |
| 22:38.43 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, you want a cloak? |
| 22:38.45 | Anidel | I followed the tail :) |
| 22:38.47 | lardman | I wonder what's wrong with it |
| 22:39.02 | Anidel | there's a bug lardman |
| 22:39.14 | Anidel | I think it's pretty known internally |
| 22:39.23 | RST38h | General: I asked for gold and virgins before |
| 22:39.30 | GeneralAntilles | Plum out. |
| 22:39.32 | lardman | oh right, I've never had any problems, until now |
| 22:40.10 | RST38h | lardman: what is the problem? |
| 22:40.13 | Anidel | I wish I'll win a bt headset at the n900 meetup in london |
| 22:40.53 | qwerty12_N810 | ~bitchslap lcuk |
| 22:40.54 | infobot | ACTION beats the sh*t out of lcuk |
| 22:41.19 | Anidel | need to read the infobot book soon |
| 22:41.49 | Anidel | ~bitchslap qwerty12_N810 |
| 22:41.50 | infobot | ACTION beats the sh*t out of qwerty12_N810 |
| 22:41.53 | Anidel | love it |
| 22:42.00 | qwerty12_N810 | Anidel: :( |
| 22:42.04 | lardman | RST38h: random drop outs and pitch/speed changes |
| 22:42.11 | RST38h | Anidel: btw, found anything about that .pdf? |
| 22:42.12 | Anidel | you were only a small guinea pig.. |
| 22:42.18 | RST38h | lardman: Have you got wifi running? |
| 22:42.30 | Anidel | rst38h didn't do anything at all yet on xournal.. had to fight spiders |
| 22:42.39 | Anidel | I'm my girlfriend's hero |
| 22:42.40 | RST38h | ah |
| 22:42.54 | lardman | RST38h: yeah |
| 22:43.05 | Anidel | there's always a dark side in a medal |
| 22:43.10 | qwerty12_N810 | Anidel: That should come second to Xournal |
| 22:43.11 | lardman | ah, I seem to remember hearing that might be a problem |
| 22:43.38 | Anidel | I remember Tero confirming the bug.. it should be in bmo |
| 22:44.02 | RST38h | lardman: that is your problem |
| 22:44.09 | lardman | yeah, thanks chaps |
| 22:44.47 | wazd | Google Navigation has no map cache, only those bits yo've visited |
| 22:45.14 | RST38h | lardman: I am also experiencing it and it IS known internally. Should I open a bug for it though? |
| 22:45.15 | Anidel | qwerty12_N810 well.. tell it to her next to a spider |
| 22:45.16 | wazd | Good example how you can totally screw thing up with simple click :) |
| 22:45.22 | RST38h | lardman: Just to keep Andre busy? =) |
| 22:45.52 | RST38h | wazd: the S60 version of Google Maps app does seem to have cache though |
| 22:45.53 | lardman | yeah may as well :) |
| 22:45.54 | andre__ | oh yesh :-D |
| 22:46.04 | qwerty12_N810 | Anidel: lol, OK, maybe not... |
| 22:46.04 | lardman | wouldn't want him getting bored would we :) |
| 22:46.10 | wazd | RST38h: http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/google-navigation-video-hands-on-you-want-this/ |
| 22:46.21 | Anidel | qwerty12_N810: wise, the cloak will suit you well |
| 22:47.20 | RST38h | wazd: Yea, I do want this =) |
| 22:47.21 | Anidel | will it be possible to have the Beard of the Wise along with the coolish Maemo.org cloak? I might look wiser than Gandalf itself |
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| 22:48.25 | wazd | damn, who can even think about navigation app that doesn't work without network connection? :) |
| 22:48.37 | wazd | (I've read bout Nokia Maps, yeah :D) |
| 22:49.53 | Anidel | ~rot13 yeah |
| 22:49.53 | infobot | lrnu |
| 22:50.06 | qwerty12_N810 | ~rape Anidel |
| 22:50.07 | infobot | ACTION takes Anidel behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
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| 22:50.20 | Anidel | ~bitchslap qwerty12_N810 |
| 22:50.21 | infobot | ACTION beats the sh*t out of qwerty12_N810 |
| 22:50.45 | Anidel | thinks is still a novice in the Art of the InfoBot book, may be something like level 0? |
| 22:51.11 | Anidel | there are still hidden pages in this magical book |
| 22:51.15 | Anidel | can't find 'rape' |
| 22:51.30 | RST38h | lardman: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5880 |
| 22:51.33 | Anidel | puts InfoBot ahead of Xournal :D |
| 22:51.35 | RST38h | lardman: Comment/vote |
| 22:51.51 | Anidel | what if I try to rape myself? |
| 22:51.55 | Anidel | ~rape Anidel |
| 22:51.56 | infobot | ACTION takes Anidel behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 22:52.01 | Anidel | stupid bot |
| 22:52.11 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, Jaffa's using periods in his short descriptions. |
| 22:52.14 | Anidel | unless.. he knows I might actually like it... |
| 22:52.20 | Anidel | :D :D |
| 22:52.31 | GeneralAntilles | Infobot is gender confused. |
| 22:52.38 | RST38h | * infobot takes <..> from behind |
| 22:52.38 | Anidel | ahah yeah |
| 22:52.47 | RST38h | (the rest is really redundant) |
| 22:52.54 | Anidel | there's no 'from' :p |
| 22:53.02 | lardman | voted |
| 22:53.09 | lardman | hmm, dh_make, nasty |
| 22:53.11 | Anidel | to be raped? |
| 22:53.18 | RST38h | lardman: I have noticed pitch changes but then I am tone deaf |
| 22:53.26 | qwerty12_N810 | Anidel: "from behind" makes it universal :p |
| 22:53.27 | RST38h | have not, that is |
| 22:53.36 | lardman | what about speed changes? |
| 22:53.49 | Anidel | qwerty indeed |
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| 22:54.38 | RST38h | lardman: Not noticing them, but again, me and music are alien to each other |
| 22:55.07 | lardman | np :) |
| 22:55.47 | RST38h | Also audio drop outs do not happen all the time. Sometimes, I manage to listen for an hour or so without dropouts. Somehow related to how the tablet is rotated |
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| 22:56.52 | lardman | hmm, strange |
| 22:56.56 | lardman | ah well |
| 22:57.03 | lardman | easy enough to listen with no wifi really |
| 22:57.27 | lbt | gets lots of audio stutter on application launch |
| 22:57.28 | lardman | does someone fancy packaging ethos for me? |
| 22:57.41 | lardman | lbt: yeah, load changes make it stutter |
| 22:57.50 | lbt | shouldn't really |
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| 22:58.08 | lbt | it should be able to +1 prio and keep buffers full |
| 22:58.39 | RST38h | lardman: with wifi off, it is glitchless |
| 22:58.57 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, OK, cloak or no? :P |
| 22:59.01 | RST38h | lardman: well, stops for a bit when establishing gprs connection, but I don't think this count |
| 22:59.13 | RST38h | General: Hey, what *is* that cloak? |
| 22:59.19 | lardman | RST38h: that's what lbt is talking about, the load change stutter |
| 22:59.30 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.32 | RST38h | lardman: Ah... |
| 23:00.17 | RST38h | General: Explain slowly, in simple terms, as if to a cow |
| 23:00.51 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it's just a vanity plate thing |
| 23:01.01 | GeneralAntilles | That also serves the purpose of blocking your hostmask |
| 23:01.06 | GeneralAntilles | So prying eyes can't get your IP easily. |
| 23:01.14 | RST38h | Oh, now I get it |
| 23:01.19 | GeneralAntilles | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Cloaks |
| 23:01.25 | GeneralAntilles | In a nice overview. |
| 23:01.31 | Woolly | Any gstreamer smarties here? Does anyone know why gst-launch-0.10 tcpserversrc protocol=gdp host=localhost port=50000 ! multipartdemux ! jpegdec ! autovideosink would't want to pause? |
| 23:01.34 | RST38h | No, no cloak. I prefer it the traditional way. |
| 23:01.42 | GeneralAntilles | Right-o |
| 23:01.42 | RST38h | Thanks though |
| 23:03.14 | lardman | Woolly: probably better asking in #gstreamer really |
| 23:04.12 | Woolly | already did, finally got a response! |
| 23:04.19 | lardman | Woolly: take a shufty at zbar in extras-devel, has python bindings and does 1D decoding |
| 23:04.22 | Woolly | thought I'd ask in here, just in case |
| 23:04.36 | Woolly | lardman: will do, when I get a chance :D |
| 23:04.49 | lardman | cool, np |
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| 23:06.27 | lardman | aargh, bloody autotools! |
| 23:06.43 | lardman | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/ethos-version.h', needed by `all'. Stop. My Arse! |
| 23:07.59 | RST38h | Fremantle 5.0final rootstrap for SB2 is here! |
| 23:08.20 | qwerty12_N810 | You poor people... |
| 23:09.20 | RST38h | qwerty: You better fix that XChat =) |
| 23:09.36 | qwerty12_N810 | :) |
| 23:11.24 | johnsq | lardman: it could atleast say what package is missing. |
| 23:12.50 | lardman | I think it may be an env var error |
| 23:13.01 | lardman | is $builddir set by make? |
| 23:23.01 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: how's your Debianising list these days....? ;) |
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| 23:23.28 | lardman | ~ping |
| 23:23.28 | infobot | ~pong |
| 23:24.26 | qwerty12_N810 | Hmm, I could take a look but I've already got a few stuff I need to look at |
| 23:24.47 | qwerty12_N810 | +quite |
| 23:24.53 | lardman | I'm looking to build this: http://www.novopia.com/emerillon/ |
| 23:25.07 | lardman | and having troubles with Ethos |
| 23:26.19 | lardman | I've replaced the geoclue stuff with liblocation, so hopefully that will be workable, libchamplain is in extras-devel, librest has debian packages to copy, etc. |
| 23:26.48 | xnt14 | :) http://xceleo.org/odz.png odz ftw |
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| 23:27.12 | achipa | lardman: a personality crysis, eh ? :) |
| 23:27.55 | lardman | more a failing of moral character building I'd say ;) |
| 23:28.07 | fiferboy | Generalantilles pong? |
| 23:28.19 | Anidel | ~pong |
| 23:28.20 | infobot | ~ping |
| 23:28.23 | Anidel | smart |
| 23:28.24 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, you want a cloak? |
| 23:28.29 | Anidel | ~ping pong |
| 23:28.30 | infobot | pong pong |
| 23:28.33 | fiferboy_ | GeneralAntilles: Sure! |
| 23:28.35 | Anidel | stupid |
| 23:28.45 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy_, awesome! |
| 23:28.57 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy_: Good choice. And you know why I think that :D |
| 23:29.10 | achipa | anyone encountered autobuilder funk regarding python-dbus ? |
| 23:29.16 | Anidel | wonders where GA found all this nice dark cloaks... |
| 23:29.25 | fiferboy_ | qwerty12_N810: Why? Because I have .ca in my whois? |
| 23:30.05 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy_: :-) |
| 23:30.08 | GeneralAntilles | Anidel, 18 months on the waitlist for group registration and they manage to figure it out just after I'm done with my year long stint on the council. <_< |
| 23:30.58 | Anidel | GA: 6 months are fast :) |
| 23:32.06 | SpeedEvil | wants a cape! |
| 23:32.13 | lbt | g'night all |
| 23:32.19 | SpeedEvil | night. |
| 23:32.23 | fiferboy | lbt: Night! |
| 23:32.33 | achipa | night |
| 23:32.34 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, we don't have any capes. |
| 23:32.38 | SpeedEvil | meh. |
| 23:33.00 | lardman | night lbt |
| 23:33.06 | achipa | what am I not seeing here ? |
| 23:33.11 | Vulcanis | I have a cape :\ |
| 23:33.12 | achipa | [2009-10-29 01:17:03] Try to install static depends: libqt4-dev sip4 python2.5-sip4 python2.5-sip4-dev python2.5-dev python2.5-dbus libdbus-1-dev libxext-dev |
| 23:33.15 | achipa | [2009-10-29 01:17:03] fakeroot apt-get -y -q -o APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated=1 install --no-remove libqt4-dev sip4 python2.5-sip4 python2.5-sip4-dev python2.5-dev python2.5-dbus libdbus-1-dev libxext-dev </dev/null |
| 23:33.19 | achipa | Reading package lists... |
| 23:33.22 | achipa | Building dependency tree... |
| 23:33.24 | GeneralAntilles | achipa, you want a cloak? |
| 23:33.24 | achipa | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 23:33.27 | achipa | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 23:33.29 | achipa | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 23:33.32 | achipa | or been moved out of Incoming. |
| 23:33.34 | achipa | The following information may help to resolve the situation: |
| 23:33.35 | achipa | GeneralAntilles: ACK |
| 23:33.37 | achipa | The following packages have unmet dependencies: python2.5-dbus: Depends: python-dbus (= 0.83.0-1maemo1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 23:33.40 | lardman | achipa: ~pastebin" |
| 23:33.40 | achipa | E: Broken packages |
| 23:33.43 | lardman | ~pastebin |
| 23:33.44 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 23:34.16 | achipa | lardman: nah, too easy from a N900 :) |
| 23:34.49 | qwerty12_N810 | Even better: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/python-qt4_4.4.3-maemo10/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt |
| 23:34.55 | achipa | lardman: console copy/paste is playing tricks on me for some reason lately |
| 23:35.17 | achipa | qwerty12_N810: yes, indeed |
| 23:36.37 | lardman | achipa: I couldn't even get it to work earlier |
| 23:37.30 | lardman | yay! I've defeated autotools (on librest, still need serious help with ethos) |
| 23:38.32 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: What is the process on getting cloaks? |
| 23:39.33 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, at the moment have > 500 karma and talk to me. |
| 23:39.45 | GeneralAntilles | Or work for Maemo Devices |
| 23:39.50 | fiferboy | ;) |
| 23:40.06 | fiferboy | Nothing on my end? |
| 23:40.13 | GeneralAntilles | Nurp |
| 23:40.33 | SpeedEvil | ~karma |
| 23:40.33 | infobot | speedevil has neutral karma |
| 23:40.45 | GeneralAntilles | On maemo.org |
| 23:41.06 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: can you remember what that fix was for debian helper not finding files to install - not knowing the temp dir? |
| 23:42.11 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: CDBS rules file? |
| 23:42.11 | lardman | DEB_DH_INSTALL_SOURCEDIR := debian/tmp |
| 23:42.22 | lardman | yeah, found it, thanks anyway |
| 23:44.23 | achipa | is in a dilemma - suffer PySide or bring PyQt up to date |
| 23:44.23 | lardman | ok, so librest is sorted too |
| 23:45.56 | fiferboy | Heh, they are playing Star Wars music for the line-up announcements at the World Series |
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| 23:46.12 | fiferboy | Sith music for the visitors, Rebel music for the home team |
| 23:46.23 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 23:46.27 | GeneralAntilles | I hate every team in the series. |
| 23:46.42 | fiferboy | Philies are the lesser of two evils |
| 23:46.53 | Anidel | goes to sleep... nighty night guys |
| 23:47.12 | GeneralAntilles | Lesser of two weevils. |
| 23:47.25 | qwerty12_N810 | Anidel: Night. Just installed Xournal; it looks awesome! |
| 23:47.29 | _Pete_ | what is this all anthem? |
| 23:47.47 | lardman | night Anidel |
| 23:47.48 | Anidel | qwerty12_N810 needs lot of work still... |
| 23:48.03 | Anidel | thanks lardman |
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| 23:48.44 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, it's weird only ever having been a fan of one underdog expansion team. |
| 23:49.23 | fiferboy | Yeah, unless you are a Yankees or Red Sox fan in the East it can be depressing |
| 23:50.11 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, 2008. :( |
| 23:50.26 | fiferboy | So close |
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| 23:58.03 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: not to worry re Ethos, I think I've beaten it into submission |
| 23:58.27 | qwerty12_N810 | Who said I was worrying? ;) |
| 23:58.54 | lardman | ;p |
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