| 00:00.01 | lcuk | they use the same core |
| 00:00.16 | lcuk | dont they |
| 00:00.16 | Macer | but at least i can run maemo on the internal flash |
| 00:00.16 | Macer | and boot mer from the sd if need be |
| 00:00.16 | jeremiah | lcuk: I haven't tried it really. Which is a shame. |
| 00:00.30 | lcuk | its deffo on the right path :) |
| 00:00.30 | jeremiah | I should set up a chroot with it - they say you are supposed to dual boot so that is a good way to test. |
| 00:00.39 | Macer | honestly i think maemo is pretty ncie looking on an n8x0 |
| 00:00.47 | jeremiah | Macer: I agree. |
| 00:00.51 | jeremiah | But then I would. |
| 00:00.54 | Macer | i mean it uses the screen space rather well |
| 00:01.02 | lcuk | macer, its got a strong front end and a rich set of default apps |
| 00:01.06 | Macer | the apps aren't bad at all.. the browser isn't bad |
| 00:01.18 | lcuk | my family use the devices lying around all the time |
| 00:01.20 | Macer | lcuk: yeah. maemo isn't bad at all for a tablet |
| 00:01.26 | jeremiah | The browser needs a little work in comparison to Safari on the iPhone |
| 00:01.33 | lcuk | agree |
| 00:01.33 | jeremiah | If one is really honest. |
| 00:01.40 | Macer | jeremiah: or steel on a g1? ;) |
| 00:01.44 | jeremiah | But the rest of it is much better I think. |
| 00:01.48 | Macer | steel and the default browser on a g1 kind of suck |
| 00:01.49 | lcuk | but that same sluggishness exists outside the browser |
| 00:01.49 | javispedro | of course it's not bad, would all of we be here if sucked? |
| 00:01.52 | lcuk | you just have to look further |
| 00:02.00 | Macer | but i think that is more due to ram constraint |
| 00:02.00 | jeremiah | I have never seen a G1 |
| 00:02.09 | jeremiah | javispedro: True dat! :) |
| 00:02.20 | Macer | javispedro: probably |
| 00:02.24 | Macer | just to gripe on it ;) |
| 00:02.36 | Macer | i mean really it does have its shortfalls |
| 00:02.39 | jeremiah | Yeah. I have nowhere else to go so I'd definitely be hanging out here. |
| 00:02.45 | talig | jeremiah: I managed to advance quite a bit from yesterday's state :) |
| 00:02.47 | Macer | like the fact that it doesn't full use the gpu |
| 00:02.53 | jeremiah | talig: Good to hear it! |
| 00:02.55 | Macer | and that it looks gnomish |
| 00:02.58 | jeremiah | talig: How are things going? |
| 00:03.00 | Macer | (i hate gnome!) |
| 00:03.01 | Macer | heh |
| 00:03.07 | Macer | well.. gtkish |
| 00:03.13 | Macer | (ditto) |
| 00:03.23 | javispedro | Macer, don't worry, now all kde haters will be forced to switch ;) |
| 00:03.26 | qwerty12_N810 | GNOME's OK, but Nautilus. Bleh. |
| 00:03.33 | javispedro | nautilus is SLOW |
| 00:03.37 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: gtk just looks ick |
| 00:03.47 | Macer | qt is a lot more polished for the eyes |
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| 00:04.06 | Macer | something about gtk makes me feel like i'm using something based on windows 3.1 |
| 00:04.19 | lcuk | but that is just a theme |
| 00:04.30 | Macer | lcuk: no. all the themes make me feel like that ;) |
| 00:04.38 | lcuk | at the end of the day, qt and gtk both end up in the same x11 boxen |
| 00:04.41 | javispedro | now that's some serius disease ;) |
| 00:04.44 | Macer | gtk based stuff just has that win 3.1 feel about it |
| 00:04.45 | javispedro | seeing win3.11 everywhere |
| 00:04.54 | talig | jeremiah: Well, I found the source of the problem - for starters. For some reason [possibly because I packaged in scratchbox, but there could be an even stronger factor] - my package installed to /scratchbox/tools/bin instead of /usr/bin |
| 00:05.01 | Macer | javispedro: tell me about it |
| 00:05.05 | Macer | kde4 makes me see vista ;) |
| 00:05.14 | Macer | well.. i guess more so win7 nowadays |
| 00:05.33 | javispedro | everywhere I look I see the N810's blinking blue led instead |
| 00:05.36 | Macer | KDE4 - "The Vista that doesn't suck." |
| 00:05.47 | Macer | javispedro: i'm trying to buy one now |
| 00:05.52 | Macer | just for carman ;) |
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| 00:06.00 | javispedro | that led is very addictive |
| 00:06.03 | Macer | so i can mount it on my windshield and play techno music |
| 00:06.04 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: the N810 one is pretty though :) |
| 00:06.15 | qwerty12_N810 | The N800 one is bland :\ |
| 00:06.29 | Macer | what's wrong with the n800 blue led? it's on the dpad |
| 00:06.37 | Macer | (the one you don't need to flip anything out to use) |
| 00:06.46 | Macer | :) |
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| 00:07.01 | Macer | i got sick of pecking at my n800 tho |
| 00:07.19 | Macer | peckpeckpeckpeck.. i felt like a pigeon |
| 00:07.20 | javispedro | coming from a palm world, I can only feel weird at the fact that the led is the feature that I like most from the tablet |
| 00:07.30 | Macer | haha |
| 00:07.40 | qwerty12_N810 | likes playing with jott's http://sse2.net/ledcolor.py |
| 00:07.47 | talig | jeremiah: So I tweaked the makefile to force it into /usr/bin, but THEN it wouldn't run because it turns out that since I build it in scratchbox it changes the #!/usr/bin/python to the scratchbox equivalent. |
| 00:07.49 | javispedro | Psychedelia |
| 00:07.54 | javispedro | ^^ one word |
| 00:08.06 | jeremiah | talig: Aha. |
| 00:08.25 | jeremiah | Interesting. |
| 00:08.37 | talig | jeremiah: Now thinking of writing a postinst script to fix it, or figure out what's the standard way of getting it right. |
| 00:08.52 | lcuk | hey! did you know there are 384000 extra RGB elements to control on the device! |
| 00:09.18 | qwerty12_N810 | talig: run /usr/bin/python2.5 instead of python? =) |
| 00:09.19 | jeremiah | goes looking on the maemo wiki to see if there is something that might help talig |
| 00:09.42 | talig | jeremiah: Minimization problem was solved, and now I'm facing the issue of attaching an icon to the window so the taskbar will not show the generic icon. |
| 00:09.51 | talig | qwerty12_N810: Then it wouldn't build. |
| 00:09.57 | jeremiah | talig: https://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging |
| 00:10.00 | talig | qwerty12_N810: (which is to say - done that) |
| 00:10.11 | jeremiah | I have started this page, I need to add more. ^^ |
| 00:10.21 | qwerty12_N810 | I've done it before, with bindings |
| 00:10.38 | javispedro | ah, it's true |
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| 00:10.50 | javispedro | you must call python2.5 instead of the scratchbox one |
| 00:10.59 | qwerty12_N810 | (saved me from resorting to SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE ;)) |
| 00:11.07 | jeremiah | Why are two pythons isntalled? |
| 00:11.07 | javispedro | i guess python-support (or at least the working part of it) done it for me |
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| 00:11.35 | jeremiah | .oO( I'm glad I code in perl. ) |
| 00:12.03 | qwerty12_N810 | jeremiah: have you seen how much space it takes up installing perl-modules on the device? :P |
| 00:12.14 | talig | jeremiah: python is normally an alias :) In any case, my understanding of the link you posted is: "don't package in scratchbox" :) |
| 00:12.21 | jeremiah | qwerty12_N810: Do you know how many modules there are in that package? |
| 00:12.40 | talig | qwerty12_N810: Perl is wonderful, in the right hands ;) |
| 00:12.54 | jeremiah | talig: Well, yeah. But then why is there one _explicitly_ called 2.5? |
| 00:12.54 | qwerty12_N810 | jeremiah: well, I can only presume, a lot... :) |
| 00:12.57 | talig | sadly, in the perl case, most hands are the wrong hands... :/ |
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| 00:13.45 | jeremiah | qwerty12_N810: There are a lot of perl modules in that package, but I don't think the average perl module takes up more space than any other app |
| 00:13.47 | qwerty12_N810 | built frozen bubble, god, that with scratchbox tested my patience |
| 00:13.56 | jeremiah | In fact I would guess they are pretty small. |
| 00:14.16 | jeremiah | Is frozen bubble perl? |
| 00:14.21 | qwerty12_N810 | Yep |
| 00:14.26 | jeremiah | Wow. |
| 00:14.29 | jeremiah | I had no idea. |
| 00:14.45 | javispedro | wow |
| 00:14.56 | jeremiah | All in all not a lot of perl apps on the tablet. |
| 00:15.20 | jeremiah | But I am thinking about using the clutter API to change that. :) |
| 00:15.55 | qwerty12_N810 | I did resort to sbox_redirect_ignore in rules for that... |
| 00:16.15 | jeremiah | Ugh. Redirects are complex. |
| 00:16.56 | talig | Ok, I'm kind of falling asleep here. In any case, jeremiah, wanted to thank you for your help yesterday. |
| 00:17.06 | talig | Gnight all, cya tomorrow. |
| 00:21.54 | qwerty12_N810 | wtf, I recieved a voicemail for my google voice account that I haven't even bothered to set up yet |
| 00:23.13 | javispedro | but but but |
| 00:23.17 | javispedro | you're in london |
| 00:23.21 | javispedro | that's outside of the US |
| 00:23.25 | javispedro | and you're using Google Voice? |
| 00:25.17 | qwerty12_N810 | I got into the google.com/voice page via a transparent proxy but I got stuck on the "enter a phone number attached to a physical phone" part. It didn't accept my Gizmo number so I left it but someone's written a guide at tmo to get around it so I'll follow it sometime |
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| 00:49.48 | jeremiah | taligAFK: My pleasure. See you tomorrow. |
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| 01:07.10 | Macer | wtf |
| 01:07.16 | Macer | the www.noka.com picture |
| 01:07.29 | Macer | is like some arab hair stylist with some crazy screaming woman while hte other one is having her hair manhandled |
| 01:07.37 | Macer | i think nokia has finally went off the deepend |
| 01:07.39 | Macer | deep end |
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| 01:09.41 | Macer | and you can't purchase n810s from nokia anymore :) |
| 01:09.42 | Macer | wtf |
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| 01:18.07 | Macer | http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001CZJIIM/ref=sr_1_olp_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1248830147&sr=8-4 |
| 01:18.11 | Macer | wow |
| 01:18.23 | Macer | can someone explain to me why amazon is selling a wimax n810 for 1500? |
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| 01:30.10 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, because Amazon isn't selling it. . . . |
| 01:30.31 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, you are familiar with the concepts surrounding their Marketplace, right? |
| 01:35.56 | Macer | GeneralAntilles: not really? |
| 01:36.05 | Macer | i figured they were like.. the "buy it now" ebay style place |
| 01:36.20 | GeneralAntilles | It's random people on the internet selling random shit they may or may not own for arbitrary prices. |
| 01:36.36 | Macer | but i just don't see how supply and demand justifies $1500 for an n810 ;) |
| 01:36.57 | Macer | most places are stores |
| 01:37.05 | Macer | like i said. it's ebay minus the auctions |
| 01:37.20 | GeneralAntilles | Well, people often sell things for arbitrary prices. |
| 01:37.26 | Macer | heh |
| 01:37.31 | Macer | like $1500 for an n810 ;) |
| 01:37.39 | Macer | i figured maybe the demand in baltimore was really high |
| 01:37.45 | GeneralAntilles | N810 WiMAX Edition, to be precise. |
| 01:37.47 | Macer | so people were actually paying that much for them |
| 01:37.51 | Macer | yah |
| 01:38.01 | Macer | and since baltimore is the only place with xohm |
| 01:38.06 | Macer | :) |
| 01:38.10 | Macer | maybe they are gouging them |
| 01:38.45 | Macer | don't get me wrong. personally i think it would be worth it if they actually had wimax in more than 2 places on the entire planet |
| 01:38.58 | Macer | considering their marketing ploy on television is "and the only network with real 4G" |
| 01:39.10 | Macer | ok.... like.. baltimroe? :) what about everywhere else? |
| 01:39.13 | Macer | anyways.. have to go .. son is up |
| 01:41.41 | GeneralAntilles | Gouging is such a silly term. |
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| 02:30.30 | caotic | btw, my external memory card says it is a read only file system, I havent used my mmc in any other device nor connected my n810 ever trought usb ... how can I fix this (mabe the n810 lost battery charge while downloading, dunno I felt asleep in the process ) |
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| 03:01.10 | GeneralAntilles | caotic, server. |
| 03:01.45 | caotic | GeneralAntilles: wow, didnt believe it possible :) |
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| 08:40.07 | lardman | infobot: morning |
| 08:40.07 | infobot | Good morning! |
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| 08:40.10 | lardman | oh, boring |
| 08:40.20 | lardman | infobot: ah, you replied, good stuff |
| 08:43.06 | lardman | did OMWeather get fixed? |
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| 08:45.08 | lardman | ah, update in extras-devel |
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| 08:49.54 | lardman | ah, just needed to remove desktop applet then add it back, strange |
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| 08:59.17 | lardman | X-Fade: dare I ask, where's my karma? :) |
| 08:59.33 | timelys | Hg |
| 08:59.35 | timelys | Heh |
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| 09:02.42 | linuxhippy | Hi |
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| 09:06.46 | linuxhippy | does somebody know a collection of kernel-modules for the 770's 2.6.16.27-omap1? |
| 09:07.02 | Stskeeps | fanoush's |
| 09:07.20 | linuxhippy | I would like to use mine as a traffic-shaper ;) |
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| 09:09.40 | linuxhippy | fanoush just seems to provide specific modules |
| 09:10.01 | linuxhippy | has nobody enabled everything as module and uploaded it somewhere? ;) |
| 09:10.26 | qwerty12_N810 | Feel free to install the SDK and be the first ;) |
| 09:17.44 | linuxhippy | :-/ |
| 09:18.19 | linuxhippy | ok, but be patient with me ^^ |
| 09:27.15 | lcuk | hey no linuxhippy, cut your hair, get a job, compile those modules :p |
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| 09:27.55 | X-Fade | lardman: Don't ask me, I'm not the one assigned in that bug. |
| 09:28.07 | talig | Hi again everyone. I need some help with packaging on Scratchbox. Anyone around who ever packaged Python on Scratchbox? [please don't give me tutorial links, I've read them all] |
| 09:28.28 | lcuk | mornin folks \o |
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| 09:28.36 | X-Fade | talig: python itself or a python app? |
| 09:28.49 | talig | X-Fade: A python app. |
| 09:29.31 | X-Fade | talig: http://wiki.maemo.org/Py2deb |
| 09:29.36 | talig | X-Fade: The problem is simple. When i package on scratchbox, it changes my #!/usr/bin/python to #!/scratchbox/tools/bin/python which will obviously not run on the device... |
| 09:29.58 | talig | X-Fade: Been there, not what I need. |
| 09:30.09 | X-Fade | talig: Well at least that works :) |
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| 09:30.38 | talig | X-Fade: That packages on the device, of course that will work. |
| 09:31.13 | talig | X-Fade: Hardly answers the problem of packaging on Scratchbox, now, does it? |
| 09:31.20 | lardman | X-Fade: ah, ok |
| 09:31.34 | X-Fade | talig: No need to get annoyed so quickly. |
| 09:32.15 | talig | X-Fade: I'm not |
| 09:32.42 | lardman | should this create a list full of zeros of length AVERAGE_LENGTH? gx_array = [range(AVERAGE_LENGTH)*0] |
| 09:33.42 | lcuk | puts his hand up |
| 09:33.57 | lardman | yes young man in the front |
| 09:34.05 | lardman | and put your cigarette out in class! |
| 09:34.13 | lcuk | :D errrr doesnt the *0 make everything 0 |
| 09:34.27 | lardman | I want a list full of zeros though |
| 09:34.41 | lcuk | ok, but you arent taking my hipflask |
| 09:34.46 | lardman | lol |
| 09:34.51 | lcuk | thats not a list of zeros tho is it? |
| 09:34.52 | lardman | confiscated! |
| 09:35.10 | lardman | dunno, I thought range() would create a list |
| 09:35.18 | lardman | perhaps I need the *0 outside the [] |
| 09:35.29 | lcuk | whats the *0 for ? |
| 09:35.40 | lardman | making the list full of zeros |
| 09:35.54 | X-Fade | lardman: Why not just = 0? |
| 09:36.12 | lardman | I need a list |
| 09:36.16 | lardman | array |
| 09:36.29 | lcuk | malloc |
| 09:36.37 | lardman | python |
| 09:36.41 | woglinde | tmalloc |
| 09:36.52 | lcuk | no need to swear! |
| 09:37.15 | lardman | what's tmalloc? |
| 09:37.20 | lardman | can't find it no Google |
| 09:37.51 | lardman | looks like it's not Python anyway |
| 09:37.58 | lardman | ~lart learning new languages |
| 09:37.58 | infobot | pours gasoline all over learning new languages, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 09:38.15 | woglinde | hm ah talloc |
| 09:38.22 | woglinde | the malloc from samba |
| 09:38.31 | woglinde | with some more comfort |
| 09:39.16 | lardman | thanks, but it must be possible to do without needing to add C code in to provide a new Python fn |
| 09:39.42 | linuxhippy | hmm, scratchbox doesn't seem to work anymore on recent Fedora releases: |
| 09:39.42 | linuxhippy | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! |
| 09:39.59 | lardman | linuxhippy: there's a fix for that |
| 09:40.09 | qwerty12_N810 | In the release notes, it talks of disabling VDSO |
| 09:40.18 | qwerty12_N810 | linuxhippy: ^ |
| 09:40.25 | linuxhippy | thx, I'll have a look |
| 09:41.50 | linuxhippy | hmm, I don't have /proc/sys/kernel/vsdo |
| 09:42.52 | lardman | need a new kernel that does then probably |
| 09:43.23 | yerga | lardman, try with gx_array = [0]*AVERAGE_LENGTH |
| 09:43.28 | linuxhippy | ah, disabling vsdo at runtime is gone |
| 09:43.35 | linuxhippy | vdso=0 is required at boot time |
| 09:43.56 | lardman | yerga: AVERAGE_LENGTH is a scalar |
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| 09:49.15 | lardman | hmm, no matter anyway, just filled with incremental numbers as it will soon be overwritten |
| 09:49.28 | lardman | so now the acceleration data is nice and smooth, the horizon won't display :( |
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| 09:53.18 | lardman | hmm, probably the Bluetooth polling code is too tight now |
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| 10:00.15 | lardman | anyone know if, when I use the time.sleep() fn it will suspend the entire Python runtime, or just whichever thread is running - I think I need to let a screen update event be handled |
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| 10:04.42 | Jaffa | lardman: I think it'll sleep the thread only. But by default the screen update stuff happens in the same thread. Dunno if you automatically get a screen update thread in PyGtk; I suspect not. |
| 10:04.53 | lardman | yeah it does you're right |
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| 10:05.12 | lardman | hmm, in which case perhaps my return values are bad and that's stopping the update from happening. Strange |
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| 10:06.48 | lardman | the annoying thing is that I can't see what I've done to stop it working |
| 10:06.51 | linuxhippy | any idea where to get Nokia's 2.6.16.27 kernel source from? |
| 10:08.01 | lardman | linuxhippy: the repo I guess |
| 10:08.20 | Passeli | does anyone know if Qt 4.5 libs are count as "OS package" -> http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras/3rd_Party_Package_Policy ? |
| 10:08.27 | Passeli | for diablo |
| 10:08.30 | lardman | Jaffa: hmm, so the horizon has come back (I added a couple of print statements to update_display()), but now the data seems very laggy |
| 10:09.21 | X-Fade | Passeli: 3rd party policy will only be for fremantle. |
| 10:09.34 | lardman | lol I added the print statements but didn't copy the file across, so it's just started working anyway - mental effort |
| 10:09.34 | Passeli | X-Fade: ok, thanks |
| 10:10.07 | X-Fade | Passeli: And QT isn't a system lib. Although you shouldn't have strict deps on it anyway? |
| 10:10.13 | linuxhippy | lardman: ah, looked in the wrong one, thx :) |
| 10:11.20 | Jaffa | lardman: heh |
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| 10:12.09 | lardman | Jaffa: there's a 5s lag or something like that - I need to find a way to slow down the updates, or get them thrown away until I ask for them |
| 10:12.31 | Passeli | X-Fade: well, is the newer libs broke the app, then it is needed |
| 10:12.36 | Passeli | like it is in our case |
| 10:13.46 | X-Fade | Passeli: That is always a bit of a problem. If you do that, then one day your app might be forcefully uninstalled because it is blocking a SSU. |
| 10:14.06 | X-Fade | Passeli: Although in Fremantle QT will not be inside SSUs. |
| 10:15.08 | Passeli | X-Fade: then it should se "safe bet" to put exact dependecy to specific version of package ? i guess ... |
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| 10:17.00 | Jaffa | lardman: So for the Wiimote you have to poll it yourself, you can't do it on demand? |
| 10:17.05 | X-Fade | Passeli: Yeah, there probably is no good way of approaching this. |
| 10:17.12 | X-Fade | Passeli: It will break either way :) |
| 10:18.36 | lardman | Jaffa: no you do it on demand, but it looks like the socket gets backed up with all the old data |
| 10:19.13 | lardman | so the device broadcasts messages giving the accel/button/etc status all the time |
| 10:20.24 | lardman | hmm, still a 3s lag |
| 10:20.42 | lardman | after reading the socket twice, throwing away the first set of data |
| 10:22.41 | X-Fade | lardman: blocking? |
| 10:23.25 | lardman | yep |
| 10:23.45 | lardman | up to 5 reads now, blocking on each, and it's not too laggy |
| 10:24.49 | lardman | must be a better way than this |
| 10:25.16 | X-Fade | lardman: And are you reading until there is no data left? |
| 10:25.35 | lardman | hard to tell, I'm just reading 1024 bytes each time |
| 10:25.52 | X-Fade | Read 100k? :) |
| 10:25.57 | lardman | I need to check the manual to see if I can read the entire buffer at once |
| 10:26.05 | lardman | s/if/how |
| 10:27.23 | lardman | hmm, so I have to give socket.recv() a buffer size |
| 10:27.35 | lardman | shame I can't just purge the buffer then read from it |
| 10:27.51 | lardman | purge the socket-side buffer that is |
| 10:28.21 | X-Fade | lardman: Well, just read in a loop until you receive less than 1024 bytes? |
| 10:28.32 | lardman | true |
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| 10:29.52 | lardman | checks on the syntax of Python while looks |
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| 10:31.39 | X-Fade | lardman: while 1: data = conn.recv(1024) if not data: break |
| 10:32.02 | X-Fade | lardman: http://docs.python.org/library/socket.html#example |
| 10:32.39 | lardman | thanks, have something similar, but not making much difference |
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| 10:33.11 | X-Fade | Can't you 'select' on the socket? |
| 10:33.57 | lardman | I think it's possible, but I don't know |
| 10:34.00 | lardman | will have to do some readong |
| 10:34.22 | lardman | with that said, this way should clear the buffer albeit in a slightly hacky way |
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| 10:34.50 | lardman | but it's still got a big lag when the horizon is drawn, I wonder if it's the invalidation stuff that's slowing things down |
| 10:34.58 | lardman | invalidation then redraw that is |
| 10:35.10 | lardman | anyone else have a wiimote and fancy doing some testing? |
| 10:35.19 | Stskeeps | RST38h: ping |
| 10:35.51 | lardman | If the horizon isn't draw, and that happens sometimes, the output data in the term is nice and responsive. When the horizon is being drawn is slows right down |
| 10:37.07 | lardman | I imagine we might be queuing calls to the update_display() function (otherwise the buffer should be cleared and display new data no matter what) |
| 10:37.24 | X-Fade | Maybe horizon doesn't return to the mainloop? |
| 10:39.07 | Jaffa | lardman: On an N810 the horizon drawing is quite slow |
| 10:39.09 | lardman | it does, sets up a gobject.timeout_add() call to the update_display() fn |
| 10:39.23 | Jaffa | lardman: I'd estimate about 5fps |
| 10:39.39 | lardman | Jaffa: ok, I wonder if I should disable the timer when I enter the update_display() fn, then reenable it as I leave |
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| 10:41.28 | lardman | hmm or not, I quote: "the time of the next timeout is recalculated based on the current time and the given interval" |
| 10:41.33 | lardman | http://doc.async.com.br/python/pygtk/reference/gobject-functions.html#function-gobject--timeout-add |
| 10:41.49 | lardman | so it shouldn't matter, the timer should restart once the fn returns |
| 10:41.55 | Jaffa | lardman: Yeah (otherwise the demo fly-through would get increasingly out of sync) |
| 10:42.03 | lardman | yep, sure |
| 10:42.09 | Jaffa | And would make larger and larger jumps (as far as the user was concerned) |
| 10:42.19 | lardman | that's what I get :) |
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| 10:42.30 | lardman | with the wiimote |
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| 10:44.12 | Jaffa | lardman: I'd be tempted to have a separate thread reading from the wiimote socket and updating your provider's "next_return_value" |
| 10:44.41 | lardman | yes, that might be a good idea, assuming I can sleep/block it for a bit |
| 10:44.50 | lbt | well behaved makefile : http://pastebin.com/d11b36ac6 |
| 10:46.00 | Jaffa | lardman: True, you'd ideally stop reading from the file when the app was backgrounded |
| 10:46.02 | lardman | X-Fade: your while loop never returns, looks like it is filled more quickly than I can read from it |
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| 10:46.30 | X-Fade | lardman: Then increase your buffer size? |
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| 10:46.53 | lardman | hmm, may be |
| 10:47.17 | lardman | I think I'll loop until it's less than 1024 in length, then take the next one - should be reasonably fresh that way |
| 10:47.53 | X-Fade | It depends on the data rate and the rate at which you read it :) |
| 10:47.59 | lardman | yep |
| 10:48.33 | Stskeeps | andre__: sorry for all the scratchboxism reports, i just think it's time to get them fixed :) |
| 10:48.38 | lardman | but if my while loop has only the read command in it, I guess that once it's not completely full it should be pretty much the right time |
| 10:48.49 | lardman | s/read/recv |
| 10:49.26 | andre__ | Stskeeps, no sorry needed. in fact i'm happy to get such stuff :) |
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| 10:53.12 | Stskeeps | andre__: components in desktop platform is bloody confusing :P |
| 10:54.44 | andre__ | Stskeeps, feel free to share your complaints... next component reorg will happen anyway when nokia starts including the kitchensink for the N9009 |
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| 10:56.20 | Stskeeps | well, it might just be me not being able to map "libhildon" to "hildon-widgets" ;) |
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| 10:57.29 | VDVsx | lbt, your makefile is written in prolog ? lolol |
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| 10:57.48 | timeless_mbp | i think the components in desktop were designed by the idiots who owned desktop |
| 10:57.51 | lbt | :D |
| 10:58.28 | qwerty12_N810 | lbt: seen the targets in fdupes' Makefile? :P |
| 10:58.49 | lbt | no... |
| 11:00.38 | andre__ | Stskeeps, problem is that 50% want it to be called A while 50% want it to be called B. it's not the first time somebody complains :-/ |
| 11:00.48 | qwerty12_N810 | lbt: http://pastebin.com/d579b68ae |
| 11:00.56 | lbt | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/karmic/fdupes/karmic/annotate/head%3A/Makefile |
| 11:01.05 | lbt | heh |
| 11:01.23 | Stskeeps | andre__: let's identify it by GPS coordinates of the developer ;p |
| 11:02.28 | andre__ | ehehe |
| 11:04.00 | Stskeeps | "sure, you can get it fixed. if you can find him/her!" |
| 11:04.01 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:04.14 | andre__ | Stskeeps, the component explanation already covers "libhildon" i just see |
| 11:04.26 | Stskeeps | ah, there's explanations? |
| 11:04.31 | Stskeeps | i just saw the list in the guide :P |
| 11:06.10 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: that's not fair |
| 11:06.14 | timeless_mbp | people would just guess @HEL |
| 11:06.19 | timeless_mbp | and they'd be right too often |
| 11:06.37 | timeless_mbp | GPS coordinates of the developer's birth place |
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| 11:07.33 | timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Desktop%20platform&format=guided |
| 11:07.44 | timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Desktop%20platform |
| 11:07.59 | timeless_mbp | you can get to the latter link by clicking "components" in enter_bug for the product, or any bug in the product... |
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| 11:10.40 | lardman | cu chaps later on, have to go do some work :) |
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| 11:21.27 | Stskeeps | andre__: any good idea where to file bugs for wpeditor package? :) |
| 11:23.02 | Stskeeps | goes for 'general' |
| 11:23.34 | rkirti | Stskeeps: whats up with that package ? Are you talking 2.23 ? |
| 11:23.38 | Stskeeps | rkirti: yeah |
| 11:23.53 | Stskeeps | it's just a sb-ism in this case, it seems pretty well behaved otherwise |
| 11:24.21 | rkirti | Stskeeps: the sb-ism being ? |
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| 11:24.49 | Stskeeps | well, i guess we need a new word for those things that are assumptions that certain packages exist in a build environment but they typically do not |
| 11:24.58 | andre__ | Stskeeps, good question. do i have 10min to find an answer? |
| 11:25.03 | Stskeeps | andre__: sure |
| 11:25.12 | andre__ | currently they are under Email and Notes because both components use it. |
| 11:25.24 | rkirti | Stskeeps: ah...the usual sb-will-have-it story |
| 11:25.30 | andre__ | takes a look at the internal structure and tries to steal ideas |
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| 11:26.28 | Stskeeps | rkirti: sbwhisms? ;p |
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| 11:34.48 | andre__ | Stskeeps, hah... Nokia does not have a wpeditor product either. bugs are either in email or notes. hmmm... damn, now i have to think myself ;-) |
| 11:35.08 | lcuk | lbt, "make install" .. "no" you need sudo, silly :p |
| 11:35.25 | Stskeeps | andre__: sometimes i think a bit of Getting Things Done would help a bit on maemo bugtracking: if it takes less than 5 minutes to fix and will take longer to discuss and argue, you fix right away :P |
| 11:35.36 | andre__ | oh yeah. big +1 |
| 11:35.46 | lcuk | +1000 internets |
| 11:36.34 | Myrtti | reminds me of http://twitter.com/fernando_takai/status/1228071007 |
| 11:36.56 | lcuk | Stskeeps, you could also argue that fistfights are a good method for deciding who actually fixes the bug |
| 11:38.37 | Stskeeps | andre__: at this moment i'm expecting a 'this patch is against 2.19, not 2.22" answer to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4845 |
| 11:38.49 | Stskeeps | which is at what point i give up on technology and become a monk, true to my surname |
| 11:38.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:39.11 | qwerty12_N810 | Munk by name, monk by nature? |
| 11:39.24 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 11:39.26 | andre__ | heh. call me rattle, according to my surname :-) |
| 11:39.51 | Veggen | Munk? shouldn |
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| 11:40.13 | Veggen | 't surprise me if we are related, way back :P |
| 11:40.24 | qwerty12_N810 | hopes someone doesn't do a name, nature on my surname... |
| 11:40.27 | Stskeeps | mm, doubt it - my dad was adopted, so |
| 11:40.32 | Veggen | (tho, around 16-something) |
| 11:41.17 | Veggen | just remember the name from my genealogybase, and that it was from Denmark. |
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| 11:41.31 | andre__ | Stskeeps, please file wpeditor bugs against Notes and put "wpeditor:" in the subject, I'd say |
| 11:41.49 | Stskeeps | andre__: alright |
| 11:41.52 | andre__ | internal package fixed i've found were always filed against Notes... |
| 11:41.57 | andre__ | s/fixed/fixes |
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| 11:45.47 | Stskeeps | andre__: isn't it a bit overkill to ask for a patch when it is very clearly described? :) |
| 11:46.34 | andre__ | yes, it is. and claudio is quite active, but still, imagine the current internal workload that people have... sigh |
| 11:46.43 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 11:46.43 | Stskeeps | sec |
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| 11:58.37 | lcuk | Stskeeps, a 5 minute interuption for a dev can cause drastic results. its the same with meetings: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/27/1528201/Managers-Schedule-vs-Makers-Schedule |
| 12:03.43 | sge | Hi, is it straight forward to compile the latest linux-omap-2.6 for n810? Will it do to use n800_defconfig? Or should I stick to compiling existing diablo kernel? |
| 12:04.02 | Stskeeps | sge: take a look at http://elinux.org/N800 |
| 12:06.10 | sge | Stskeeps: thank you |
| 12:06.56 | Stskeeps | and help out if you have the ability :) |
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| 12:31.35 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: WORKSFORME |
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| 12:32.09 | thux | that old unix program? talk |
| 12:33.18 | ShadowJK | I remember using that :) |
| 12:33.57 | thux | yeah it was funny :) |
| 12:35.47 | ShadowJK | it was useful |
| 12:37.54 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I noticed a partial rendering of the page earlier. Has been fine for the last couple of hours, tho |
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| 12:41.36 | lardman | re |
| 12:42.48 | lardman | derf: we've something new to work on: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6570871.stm |
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| 12:50.38 | mozPike | jeremiah_afk: thanks for your comment in the bug. The list of files in the packaged dir is at http://pastebin.mozilla.org/664944. Anything you're particularly interested in or would you rather have a complete tarball? |
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| 12:51.48 | lcuk | lardman_, theres another nother one too : http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/27/1459229/Researchers-Debut-Barcode-Replacement |
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| 12:54.07 | lardman__ | lcuk: yeah I saw that one, but didn't think it would be out for a while :) |
| 12:54.31 | lcuk | no, i dont think its goin g to replace barcodes for normal products either |
| 12:55.58 | lardman__ | looks quite cool, but needs LEDs, etc, for each product |
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| 13:05.12 | lcuk | lardman_, yeah, useful for places with power, but not good for your cerials |
| 13:05.19 | lcuk | ie the normal places where barcodes are used |
| 13:05.59 | lardman | actually if the power is small enough you could use it as a best-before data too, no barcode no eat :) |
| 13:06.17 | lardman | bad for corned beef |
| 13:06.48 | lcuk | heh, change the brightness to suit, that might actually work |
| 13:07.09 | lcuk | tho i like the idea of dissapearing ink better |
| 13:07.17 | lcuk | if you can still read the label, the food should be fine |
| 13:07.24 | lcuk | it can be tweaked and doesnt require power :D |
| 13:07.49 | lardman | except if you didn;t know something was supposed to be written there |
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| 14:11.29 | VDVsx | ~seen dneary |
| 14:11.33 | infobot | dneary <n=dneary@ALyon-152-1-89-234.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 15d 20h 17m 32s ago, saying: 'Yes for framework, ask them to submit a canola the applicatioon talk'. |
| 14:19.32 | jeez_ | hey people, does anyone know if there is any "trick" in Maemo 5 API to start an application on Portrait mode ? |
| 14:24.36 | jeez_ | I've seen the Hildon/GTK API but nothing for Qt yet ?! |
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| 14:26.42 | X-Fade | jeez_: It is not officially supported. |
| 14:26.50 | RST38h | jeez: Not in Maemo5 |
| 14:27.00 | X-Fade | jeez_: Current status is: It is nice if it works, but don't count on it. |
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| 14:27.57 | jeez_ | X-Fade: but there is something for that so?1 even if it is a draft or hack it would help |
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| 14:40.51 | X-Fade | jeez_: I haven't seen anything for QT yet, but there should be others here who know more about it. |
| 14:42.18 | jeez_ | X-Fade: thanks :) |
| 14:42.20 | jeez_ | anyone |
| 14:42.21 | jeez_ | ? |
| 14:42.44 | jeez_ | Qt-Maemo Fremantle has a configure flag called -hildon, but I'm not sure what that is used for |
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| 15:05.16 | danielwilms | jeez_: here is described, what changes in maemo http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon#Maemo_Qt_API_Reference |
| 15:07.20 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: ping |
| 15:07.29 | javispedro | timeless_mbp, hi |
| 15:07.31 | timeless_mbp | hi |
| 15:07.33 | timeless_mbp | so, um... |
| 15:07.38 | timeless_mbp | can you install sysklogd ? |
| 15:07.52 | timeless_mbp | syslog might say something like "oom killer killed browser" |
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| 15:08.04 | javispedro | shouldn't the kernel log say so too? |
| 15:08.22 | timeless_mbp | yeah, it would have |
| 15:08.26 | javispedro | it didn't |
| 15:08.27 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 15:08.30 | timeless_mbp | ok |
| 15:08.41 | timeless_mbp | visits mxr.maemo.org |
| 15:08.47 | timeless_mbp | busy-waits |
| 15:09.19 | timeless_mbp | anyway, i delivered the url to a flash guy who insists he'd rather be on vacation (coming soon) |
| 15:09.32 | jeez_ | danilocesar: hmm... ok, thanks. |
| 15:09.41 | jeez_ | but nothing about screen rotation =// |
| 15:09.45 | javispedro | thanks :) |
| 15:11.05 | javispedro | also, my tablet battery has just died and I want to give it a full charge, so no tests today :( |
| 15:14.04 | javispedro | timeless_mbp, if you want to replicate I can send you the "sample".. I have one version that causes OoM (browserd throws bad_alloc) and another one which does not (the one described in the bug) |
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| 15:24.03 | jeez_ | hmm... ok, last question :P |
| 15:24.18 | jeez_ | Can't I use xrandr inside fremantle ? |
| 15:24.47 | jeez_ | libxrandr is available but not the binary xrandr |
| 15:25.11 | Stskeeps | there's an API maybe |
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| 15:26.09 | jeez_ | Stskeeps: but just for gtk/hildon |
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| 15:26.27 | jeez_ | argh, I need to rotate the screen on qt =// |
| 15:27.28 | timeless_mbp | so... bad_alloc is pretty much expected and acceptable |
| 15:27.43 | timeless_mbp | the other one, yeah, i suppose it would be vaguely useful |
| 15:27.51 | timeless_mbp | i don't personally want it in my mailbox |
| 15:28.00 | timeless_mbp | ask andre__ if he wouldn't mind sending it along |
| 15:28.21 | timeless_mbp | kicks dreamhost |
| 15:29.31 | andre__ | hmm? |
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| 15:30.10 | pete| | ehlp |
| 15:30.13 | pete| | ehlo |
| 15:30.24 | pete| | anay new news from n900? |
| 15:30.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Welcome pete|@www.psmedia.fi! |
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| 15:30.38 | ShadowJK | not really |
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| 15:30.56 | pete| | :( |
| 15:31.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | it'll be able to cook coffee and juggle with 3 tennis balls |
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| 15:32.04 | ShadowJK | But no milk or sugar, except in the N901 model that has milk and sugar, but no coffee - in typical nokia market segmentation style. ;-) |
| 15:32.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | It'll also be able to delay the mother-in-law until you could surreptitiously leave the building |
| 15:32.37 | andre__ | pete|, "it's ready when it's ready" :-P |
| 15:33.05 | pete| | :) |
| 15:33.12 | andre__ | the kitchen sink still leaks, that's what's blocking the N900 release |
| 15:33.23 | ShadowJK | I heard apple is making a tablet with built-in hairtrimmer, it would use the proximity sensor to guide you |
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| 15:33.35 | andre__ | oops, i probably broke my nda with that comment |
| 15:33.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ShadowJK, ah, AMD processor... |
| 15:33.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | heat-trimmed |
| 15:34.19 | qwerty12_N810 | andre__: in that case, mind breaking it some more? :) |
| 15:34.19 | ShadowJK | CutMeOwnThroat, frankly those AMD processor have only ever trimmed my fingertops |
| 15:34.29 | andre__ | qwerty12_N810, :-D |
| 15:35.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ShadowJK, that means it works in principle! Just need to improve precision on what's trimmed |
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| 15:35.51 | javispedro | The nations cellphone networks could suffer potentially catastrophic cyberattacks by iPhone-wielding hackers at home and abroad if iPhone owners are permitted to legally jailbreak their shiny wireless devices thats what Apple claims. |
| 15:36.10 | ShadowJK | besides, you know how it goes, even if it mutilates the apple fans, they'll claim they WANTED to only have bloody stumps for paws and that the iphone fingerpainting UI was already optimized for it ;-) |
| 15:37.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | they aren't? |
| 15:37.33 | javispedro | what's next? "installing google voice on the iphone will attract asteroids to your home planet, so don't do it" |
| 15:37.35 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: it's true actually |
| 15:37.45 | timeless_mbp | the same problem exists for nokia and all other cell phone vendors |
| 15:37.59 | timeless_mbp | the cell network was designed like the original internet |
| 15:38.02 | javispedro | indeed, but I can also bring my bulldozer to a cell tower and "bring it down" too |
| 15:38.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | why wouldn't you be allowed to break into a device you own? |
| 15:38.12 | timeless_mbp | the servers trust that there would never be any evil clients |
| 15:38.39 | timeless_mbp | CutMeOwnThroat: the issue is that the device is in a position to do significant harm to the network |
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| 15:39.10 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
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| 15:39.28 | timeless_mbp | wonders if one is allowed to dissect a TV |
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| 15:40.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | what type of damage? |
| 15:40.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, that's not really a point... |
| 15:40.35 | timeless_mbp | it is |
| 15:40.42 | timeless_mbp | do you remember what happened when apple released their 3g phones? |
| 15:40.55 | timeless_mbp | they basically destroyed the NE corridor |
| 15:41.10 | timeless_mbp | and that was with a certified stack :) |
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| 15:41.22 | ShadowJK | oh didn't one set of iphone/ipods DOS wlans too? |
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| 15:41.33 | timeless_mbp | possibly |
| 15:41.56 | timeless_mbp | i'm fairly certain that phones are capable of doing much more severe damage than the iPhone cult of doom did then |
| 15:42.09 | javispedro | is anything about the gsm spec so hidden that there's no way for me to manufacture a phone-like device of doom then? |
| 15:42.20 | timeless_mbp | no, but you'll be arrested |
| 15:42.24 | timeless_mbp | it's a licensed airwave |
| 15:42.36 | timeless_mbp | you aren't allowed to use an unlicensed product in a license controlled range |
| 15:42.43 | ShadowJK | javispedro, why manufacture, you can mailorder gsm killing devices from China |
| 15:42.45 | timeless_mbp | FCC in the US |
| 15:42.57 | ShadowJK | delivered right to your homedoor |
| 15:43.23 | timeless_mbp | i'm not sure if the laws are against use or possession, i believe they're against use |
| 15:43.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I never could stand mobiles... let the net burn |
| 15:43.41 | javispedro | ShadowJK, I have my trusty bulldozer for that ;) |
| 15:43.51 | suihkulokki | airprobe.org =) |
| 15:44.02 | ShadowJK | 99% of my mobile's use is datapipe to internet :) |
| 15:45.04 | rkirti | ~seen Sup3rkiddo |
| 15:45.06 | infobot | sup3rkiddo <n=sudharsh@unaffiliated/sudharsh> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 127d 5m 56s ago, saying: 'its not booting, i read the wiki as well.. strangely enough it worked with my friend's battery'. |
| 15:45.20 | rkirti | aargh |
| 15:45.54 | javispedro | why all the gsm fragility does not surprise me |
| 15:46.28 | javispedro | <timeless_mbp> the cell network was designed like the original internet <-- and the core current one |
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| 15:46.43 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: yeah well |
| 15:46.56 | timeless_mbp | the internet is at least trying to improve |
| 15:47.12 | ShadowJK | I think every manufacturer's first few generations of 3G phones managed to lose contact to the network regulary, requiring scheduled reboots of your phone :) |
| 15:47.26 | danilocesar | jeez_: ? |
| 15:48.17 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 15:48.55 | jeez_ | danilocesar: ?! |
| 15:48.57 | ShadowJK | javispedro, current one? You mean how pakistan (iirc?) could block youtube from the entire world by mistake? :) |
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| 15:50.27 | javispedro | I mean that there's a lot of trust between nodes |
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| 15:51.53 | lardman | ~curse FE |
| 15:51.54 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, FE ! |
| 15:52.06 | javispedro | ~FE |
| 15:52.07 | infobot | somebody said fe was a front end. dondelelcaro-speak for For Example, eg. 'eg.' |
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| 15:52.41 | lardman | infobot: FE can also mean Finite Element |
| 15:53.03 | timeless_mbp | anyway, i've given up trying to find the penalties section for violating the FCC rules |
| 15:54.31 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: guantamo (sp) |
| 15:54.54 | timeless_mbp | ECLOSED |
| 15:54.56 | suihkulokki | black helicopters |
| 15:54.59 | lardman | I like the warning on the front of some DVDs, "blah blah can impose a maximum fine of $X or greater" |
| 15:55.03 | lardman | useful that message |
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| 16:00.20 | Macer | well looks like http://tech.rancorous.net is on google |
| 16:00.21 | Macer | heh |
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| 16:57.41 | Pavlov | jeremiah_afk: ? |
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| 17:20.48 | mgedmin | yes! maemo-select-menu-location is finally dead! |
| 17:21.43 | RST38h | hmm |
| 17:21.59 | Stskeeps | mgedmin: they should really really have made it a no-op |
| 17:22.06 | Stskeeps | now countless of packagaes will break |
| 17:22.22 | mgedmin | good point |
| 17:22.25 | qwerty12_N810 | It was in the beginning |
| 17:22.51 | mgedmin | someone could upload a tiny transitional package to extras |
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| 17:27.18 | mikkov_ | is hildon-application-manager still claiming to provide maemo-select-menu-location? |
| 17:27.47 | RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/07/thumb160x_9e4bc90dd379dba5a5574d0e14ca49a2.jpg |
| 17:27.52 | RST38h | pure horror |
| 17:28.54 | mikkov_ | anybody knows if it's safe to use pyinotify ThreadedNotifier inside desktop applet? |
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| 17:31.24 | qwerty12_N810 | Does hildon-input-method emit a signal when the user chooses to hide it? |
| 17:32.22 | Stskeeps | it cries |
| 17:32.23 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 17:43.01 | lcuk | Stskeeps, the select menu location shouldnt have been in in the first place should it |
| 17:43.22 | lcuk | ie its not required for other oses |
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| 17:52.21 | GAN800 | Silly, silly Talk. |
| 17:52.29 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 17:52.56 | RST38h | frEEmantle again? |
| 17:52.57 | GAN800 | The "Perfect time to release Maemo 5." thread would have me cracking up if it weren't so sad. |
| 17:53.10 | RST38h | ah, that one |
| 17:53.30 | GAN800 | Flawed comparisons and braindead analysis. |
| 17:53.51 | GAN800 | It's like watching ESPN. |
| 17:54.28 | RST38h | you watch espn? |
| 17:54.30 | lcuk | yeah we know what your comments look like, what are the others saying :P |
| 17:55.48 | GAN800 | RST38h, no, but I'm familiar with their program. |
| 17:56.16 | GAN800 | s/program/programming/ |
| 17:56.21 | RST38h | eh |
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| 18:00.44 | lardman | GAN800: by way of reasons I was thinking of adding "because I'd quite like it to be so" |
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| 18:01.45 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: are you coming to the summit this year? |
| 18:02.10 | qwerty12_N810 | No |
| 18:02.15 | lardman | why not! |
| 18:02.53 | Stskeeps | he'd be stuck in the nearest coffeeshop that has wifi and place to put tablet charger.. |
| 18:02.53 | lardman | while I'm pestering, what about you GAN800? |
| 18:02.56 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:04.22 | lardman | deathly silence..... |
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| 18:05.06 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: who uses a tablet while getting high? :P |
| 18:05.22 | lardman | it's the trying that counts I guess :) |
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| 18:05.49 | Stskeeps | btw, isn't the going total of the whole sponsoring proposal like close to 100 people sponsored or something? |
| 18:05.56 | Stskeeps | i'm wondering about the amounts |
| 18:06.15 | lardman | yeah, seems like it may be quite a few |
| 18:06.28 | lardman | I imagine the criteria will have to be tightened |
| 18:06.41 | lardman | but at least there's a starting point |
| 18:06.57 | RST38h | will have to do a talk if he applies for sponsorship |
| 18:07.23 | lardman | needs to get his karma back to apply for sponsorship |
| 18:07.24 | Stskeeps | also, there's a lot of overlap in that list |
| 18:07.52 | RST38h | lardman: run over Bill Gates or something |
| 18:08.05 | lardman | nah, I have the emails, they've just not been counted |
| 18:08.06 | Stskeeps | like, let's say that i was speaking in a proper session, would my seating then be subtracted in the mer slots, or :) |
| 18:08.17 | lardman | I need to talk to bergie and ask him what's going on |
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| 18:11.43 | lardman | oo, with the extra karma I might just slip inside the top 25 |
| 18:12.02 | lcuk | lardman, don't esteemed retired council members still get all the perks :D |
| 18:12.09 | lcuk | its not like you were kicked out of office lol |
| 18:12.22 | lardman | yeah, but that's further down the list, I thought I should have more than that for a reason :) |
| 18:12.48 | lardman | oi, what rumours have they been spreading!? :D |
| 18:12.59 | lcuk | heh |
| 18:14.24 | lcuk | did you make your array |
| 18:14.46 | lardman | yeah, not quite what I wanted, but it works |
| 18:15.08 | lardman | shame that the response is still really slow, not sure what the problem is, will have to do some more debugging |
| 18:15.20 | lcuk | mmm |
| 18:15.35 | lcuk | the one thing i noticed was you ask for 1024 bytes from the socket |
| 18:15.40 | lcuk | does it wait for all 1024 bytes |
| 18:15.45 | lcuk | or is that just a max buffer |
| 18:15.57 | lardman | max buffer size |
| 18:16.02 | GAN800 | lardman, I nearly put, "Because I'm fscking GeneralAntilles, is why." |
| 18:16.04 | lcuk | fair enough |
| 18:17.23 | lardman | GAN800: lol, nice |
| 18:17.46 | lardman | lcuk: yeah not sure what's up, it should work. I've obviously missed something, c'est la vie |
| 18:18.24 | lcuk | hah - blame it all on python |
| 18:18.47 | lardman | seems fair :) |
| 18:19.12 | lardman | though it is pretty good for hacking together quick apps, at least I can see it will be once I can remembe the syntax, etc. :) |
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| 18:21.27 | lcuk | lardman, couldnt agree more actually |
| 18:21.31 | GAN800 | lardman, it's Quim, some council people and maybe one more deciding sponsorship, so. . . . |
| 18:22.01 | lcuk | i hate the syntax tho |
| 18:23.02 | lardman | it's growing on me |
| 18:23.10 | lardman | GAN800: ok, I'll stop being rude to you then ;) |
| 18:23.18 | lardman | :D |
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| 18:24.47 | lardman | bbiab |
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| 18:48.55 | lcuk | >>> Schumacher to return for Ferrari <<< |
| 18:48.56 | lcuk | :D |
| 18:49.14 | lcuk | pisser about massa |
| 18:49.26 | lcuk | but fkin A :D |
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| 18:51.51 | LinuxCode | wouldnt it be funny if he won |
| 18:51.53 | LinuxCode | rofl |
| 18:52.02 | LinuxCode | 3 years out of practice, jump in and win |
| 18:52.13 | LinuxCode | and pawn them all! |
| 18:52.37 | lcuk | :D |
| 18:52.47 | lcuk | he is the one person i would put money on actually being able to |
| 18:53.02 | lcuk | even jacob smiled :D |
| 18:53.38 | lcuk | for his first few years he equated f1 and ferraris with schumacher and didnt quite get why it changed lol |
| 18:56.51 | wazd | http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/072009/29/anek/4.jpg |
| 18:57.56 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, sponsor 100 participants is a lot of money, I would say 50-60 max, but just a guess :P |
| 18:58.15 | VDVsx | wazd, lol |
| 18:58.17 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: yeah that was why i think it should be shrinked a bit |
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| 18:58.32 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, last year 51, so |
| 18:59.00 | lcuk | lol, sts secretly planning to get nokia sponsoring 1 single person (hopefully him) to have exclusive use of a hotel, its hookers and a coffee shop for the weekend |
| 18:59.19 | Stskeeps | it's not called hookers, it's prostitutes |
| 18:59.19 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:59.28 | qwerty12_N810 | And what's wrong with that? :P |
| 18:59.44 | lcuk | nothing, if you are over 18 :P |
| 19:00.31 | lcuk | codes |
| 19:01.25 | erik____ | lcuk: tell me if it works. I'll apply for a bl^w^wjob at Nokia :) |
| 19:01.40 | qwerty12_N810 | Hmm, here's a link with lots of hookahs: http://schmoffly.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/hookah-sale.jpg |
| 19:02.46 | lcuk | lol qwerty12_N810 you havin a garage sale? |
| 19:03.00 | qwerty12_N810 | We've only the one :\ |
| 19:03.12 | lcuk | shameful |
| 19:03.39 | lcuk | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=14925 |
| 19:04.50 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq5NtbyEgbk |
| 19:05.04 | qwerty12_N810 | Gah! Their punishment should be having to use those guns that they have in their hands against themselves |
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| 19:29.31 | xnt14[work] | O. M. F. G. I GOT MY X52!!!!! |
| 19:29.42 | xnt14[work] | screams!!!! |
| 19:29.45 | xnt14[work] | xD |
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| 19:32.40 | VDVsx | ~burn xnt14's X52 |
| 19:32.41 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over xnt14's X52, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 19:32.45 | VDVsx | hehehe |
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| 19:45.53 | karatchov | hello, plz can sombody assist me in building a deb file ? |
| 19:48.31 | karatchov | I just compiled and built kchmviewer, I can't figure out how to statically link libchm |
| 19:48.40 | karatchov | and how to produce the final deb file |
| 19:49.42 | karatchov | hello, any help ? |
| 19:50.52 | erik____ | to statically link a lib, you have to build the lib in static mode --static in ld |
| 19:50.56 | erik____ | (from memory) |
| 19:52.10 | karatchov | it's built in both shared and static mode |
| 19:52.28 | erik____ | so you have a .a file |
| 19:52.39 | karatchov | yes |
| 19:52.40 | erik____ | which should be the static version of the lib |
| 19:53.05 | erik____ | just consider this file as a binary file when linking your application |
| 19:53.36 | erik____ | ld foo.o bar.o lib.a |
| 19:54.06 | karatchov | i use qmake & make to build kchmviewer, I have no idea how to make it use the static lib |
| 19:54.54 | erik____ | you'll probably have to edit the makefile then |
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| 19:55.52 | karatchov | I tried to look in the .pro file and in the makefile, but I cant find a single line including "libchm." |
| 19:55.57 | erik____ | selecting whether you use static or dynamic linking should be done by the configure script |
| 19:56.33 | karatchov | except that this is a QT application, configuring is done by qmake |
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| 19:57.08 | erik____ | I never used that. can't help |
| 19:58.08 | lbt | anyone know about dsme? |
| 19:58.22 | lbt | advanced-backlight stuff? |
| 19:58.55 | lbt | struct dsme_message suggests you pass an address of a brightness value to dsme? |
| 19:59.22 | toggles_1 | lbt: link to code? |
| 19:59.38 | lbt | meh |
| 20:00.09 | lbt | http://pastebin.com/d477bf013 |
| 20:00.21 | lbt | 32 |
| 20:01.31 | toggles_1 | i think it's just casting the brightnes level to a void *, it's not a valid ptr |
| 20:01.32 | lbt | but it's not is it |
| 20:01.52 | lbt | that's what I thought |
| 20:02.03 | lbt | overloading a *value with a value in this msg |
| 20:02.06 | lbt | nice |
| 20:02.12 | toggles_1 | yeah |
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| 20:30.18 | esaym153 | how does the fn key work on the n810? |
| 20:30.37 | esaym153 | do you have to hold it down for it to work? |
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| 20:33.01 | chx | afaik both works |
| 20:33.07 | chx | ie hold and press another and then release |
| 20:33.12 | chx | or click, press another |
| 20:33.23 | chx | even double click, press several, click again to make it disappear |
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| 20:33.55 | anders_gud | http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/29/nokia-n97-mini-gets-pictured-in-the-wild/ |
| 20:34.16 | anders_gud | n900? |
| 20:34.36 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 20:34.43 | javispedro | why? |
| 20:35.23 | Stskeeps | anders_gud: one easy way to do it.. check the keyboard layout |
| 20:36.14 | chx | yeah others suspect that too in the comments |
| 20:36.27 | esaym153 | chx: sounds good thank you |
| 20:36.33 | anders_gud | Mypaint runs on Mer, I get pressure values but inversed |
| 20:36.49 | Stskeeps | anders_gud: you get them in 0.15 now i hope? |
| 20:36.55 | Stskeeps | inversed? oh bloody hell.. |
| 20:37.03 | anders_gud | Yes :-) |
| 20:37.17 | Stskeeps | that would explain some bugs |
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| 20:47.41 | anders_gud | Got it to build on the n810 using source + dsc from getdeb if you want to try it out |
| 20:47.47 | anders_gud | http://archive.getdeb.net/getdeb/ubuntu/jaunty/my/ |
| 20:48.20 | Stskeeps | i guess we can drop it into OBS easily |
| 20:48.24 | anders_gud | trivial build mostly python... |
| 20:48.41 | anders_gud | but not hildonized |
| 20:48.48 | anders_gud | yet... |
| 20:49.15 | qwerty12_N810 | You've done it once before :P |
| 20:49.23 | anders_gud | you can print the pressure values in the debug mnu |
| 20:49.28 | anders_gud | menu |
| 20:49.55 | Stskeeps | it's funny it's reversed though - it's same xomap as on diablo |
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| 20:51.07 | anders_gud | took a while to figure, seemed like random at first... |
| 20:59.47 | Jaffa | sends his "rotate the right way" version of Horizon off to the auto-builder |
| 21:01.02 | xnt14[work] | VDVsx, noooooo |
| 21:01.14 | xnt14[work] | kills infobot |
| 21:01.20 | xnt14[work] | wait |
| 21:01.31 | xnt14[work] | first ill kill VDVsx |
| 21:01.36 | xnt14[work] | ~kill VDVsx |
| 21:01.36 | infobot | ACTION shoots a super-inverse fluxpositrino gun at VDVsx |
| 21:01.43 | xnt14[work] | ~die |
| 21:01.44 | infobot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 21:01.48 | xnt14[work] | ;) |
| 21:02.02 | xnt14[work] | ~zombie |
| 21:02.03 | infobot | from memory, zombie is a zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent,just ignore the zombie. |
| 21:02.10 | xnt14[work] | hmm |
| 21:02.11 | xnt14[work] | :P |
| 21:02.19 | xnt14[work] | ~risefromthedead |
| 21:02.25 | xnt14[work] | xD |
| 21:02.28 | xnt14[work] | nah |
| 21:03.07 | xnt14[work] | gets in his flightsim and then kills VDVsx with a f22, via his x52 |
| 21:03.13 | xnt14[work] | ;) |
| 21:04.15 | VDVsx | xnt14[work], I'm still alive :P |
| 21:04.22 | VDVsx | lives in a bunker :) |
| 21:04.37 | xnt14[work] | lives on mars |
| 21:04.50 | xnt14[work] | :P |
| 21:05.16 | xnt14[work] | ~nuke VDVsx's bunker |
| 21:05.17 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at VDVsx's bunker ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 21:05.24 | xnt14[work] | hmm |
| 21:05.28 | xnt14[work] | spam..... |
| 21:05.38 | xnt14[work] | oh wait |
| 21:05.46 | xnt14[work] | thats my autotab completion xD |
| 21:06.10 | xnt14[work] | ~stab VDVsx |
| 21:06.11 | infobot | ACTION runs at VDVsx with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 21:06.22 | xnt14[work] | ~chase VDVsx |
| 21:06.23 | infobot | ACTION chases VDVsx |
| 21:06.49 | xnt14[work] | glances at GA, then runs.... |
| 21:06.51 | xnt14[work] | ok ill stop |
| 21:06.54 | xnt14[work] | :P |
| 21:07.25 | VDVsx | xnt14[work], ok, I surrender, enough IRC spam for today :P |
| 21:07.37 | Stskeeps | kids.. |
| 21:07.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:07.59 | lcuk | like you dont send your robotic army off in #mer every 5 minutes :P |
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| 21:12.10 | Macer | hm |
| 21:12.21 | Macer | i really need to get an n810 |
| 21:12.27 | Macer | i actually hope i get outbid in a minute |
| 21:12.33 | Macer | then i'll just order one from amazon next day or something |
| 21:12.42 | Macer | just so i can use the scan tool with my car haha |
| 21:12.53 | Macer | is about to spend $450 just to watch his car stats |
| 21:13.47 | Stskeeps | 450 for a n810? |
| 21:13.52 | Stskeeps | back off :P |
| 21:14.08 | qwerty12_N810 | More like run |
| 21:14.10 | LinuxCode | I seell you mine for that |
| 21:14.14 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 21:14.17 | LinuxCode | and buy a new one |
| 21:14.19 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 21:14.33 | LinuxCode | and save money |
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| 21:41.57 | mavhc | I checked uk prices, they're 150ukps, down from 240 a year ago |
| 21:42.17 | mavhc | at that price I considered, for a moment, buying another |
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| 22:02.35 | javispedro | ok, the time has come. I need to install the fremantle sdk. |
| 22:03.18 | javispedro | oh, why do scratchbox targets share $HOME |
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| 22:06.33 | lardman | ~lart WinXP for rebooting without asking permission |
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| 22:08.16 | lardman | Jaffa: ping |
| 22:09.16 | Jaffa | lardman: pong |
| 22:09.19 | Jaffa | (just) |
| 22:10.18 | lardman | Just wondering how I should submit my wiimote patch to you |
| 22:10.27 | lardman | might be worth getting it out for some testing |
| 22:10.50 | Jaffa | Whatever's easiest for you: tarball of the whole lot and I'll pick it apart, patch against svn, <whatever /> |
| 22:11.02 | Jaffa | Is there a good page on pairing and using a Wiimote with an N8x0? |
| 22:11.15 | lardman | cool ok, will sort something out tomorrow when I reboot to Linux |
| 22:11.39 | lardman | The pairing is all done in sw, just make sure BT is on, hit the 1&2 keys on the wiimote and off it goes |
| 22:12.01 | lardman | in sw meaning the sw on the N8x0 does the pairing without needing any input from the user |
| 22:12.09 | Jaffa | Additional s/w required on the tablet? (I see a reference to 'wiicontrol' here: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/05/wiicontrol-for-nokia-n810-n800.html) |
| 22:12.30 | lardman | not for your code no, it can all be done in the Python code |
| 22:12.40 | lardman | hang on a tick and I'll upload it so you can have a look-see |
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| 22:14.25 | Jaffa | may have to justify buying a Wii. Or at least a wiimote ;-) |
| 22:14.41 | lardman | I only bought a remote |
| 22:14.54 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/temp/ |
| 22:14.54 | javispedro | remembers he has to read about how the new wiimote+ works |
| 22:15.12 | qwerty12_N810 | would recommend just the remote. The games suck |
| 22:16.00 | lardman | I nicked the code from here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pyaxelwii/ |
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| 22:16.26 | Jaffa | lardman: Did you solve the lag problem? |
| 22:16.34 | lardman | no, not really |
| 22:16.42 | lardman | I thought perhaps more eyes might help things |
| 22:17.21 | lardman | I can't work out why the accel readings seem to backup when the display is drawn, almost as if my buffer emptying before reading isn't doing it's job |
| 22:18.07 | Jaffa | lardman: I'll have a look through and think about it |
| 22:18.13 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, the games may sucks in terms of graphics compared to the ps3 ones, but believe that the wii provides much more fun :P |
| 22:18.19 | lardman | There are lots of different pywiimote.py files scudding around, all doing various clever things with the output data to scale, etc |
| 22:18.30 | lardman | Jaffa: cheers |
| 22:18.51 | javispedro | VDVsx, let the flamewar begin! I move myself to the Wii side |
| 22:19.10 | qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: only fun game that I have is the Wii Fit :\ |
| 22:19.17 | lardman | Jaffa: here's the technical nitty-gritty on the wiimote: http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Wiimote |
| 22:19.37 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: are there any sword fighting games, that sort of thing? |
| 22:19.57 | qwerty12_N810 | dunno, not really into sword fights ;) |
| 22:20.03 | lardman | though as with the tennis games, it's probably more fun to actually go outside and do it for real |
| 22:20.08 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, mario kart, tennis...:) |
| 22:20.13 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: come to the summit, I'll teach you :) |
| 22:20.43 | Jaffa | lardman: There's a Star Wars game where you use the wiimote as a lightsabre |
| 22:21.09 | lardman | hmm, sounds promising, but still, outside :) |
| 22:21.17 | Jaffa | Difficult to get in reality |
| 22:21.19 | VDVsx | I think in zelda, you can also use the wiimote as a sword |
| 22:21.45 | qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: Mario Kart is too repetitive, but tennis isn't bad, granted |
| 22:21.53 | lardman | Jaffa: lightsabres? Paint your broomstick day-glo, works a treat and very little chance of losing a wrist |
| 22:22.25 | Jaffa | lardman: You've never played stick fights with my brothers... |
| 22:23.38 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, I don't own a wii, can't argue your last point, but I has a lot of fun playing mario kart in a friend's place :) |
| 22:24.27 | lardman | Jaffa: aikido boys play hard, chipped fingers, etc. - I need to buy some ice hockey gloves |
| 22:24.45 | lardman | should be "The aikido ..." |
| 22:24.59 | Jaffa | had a school friend who, at university, nearly got his hand chopped entirely off whilst doing sword-based jujitsu (IIRC) |
| 22:25.25 | lardman | well it's a learning experience I guess |
| 22:25.27 | lardman | :) |
| 22:26.41 | lardman | changing topic, do we reckon the shrunk-in-the-wash N97 thing is not the N900? |
| 22:27.21 | Jaffa | I dunno; a more interesting slide than the N810 appeals - and the keyboard layout matches the rumours |
| 22:27.34 | Jaffa | baloo's point about the logo being apt for portrait, but not landscape was a good'un |
| 22:28.11 | lardman | it is smaller though, screen-wise |
| 22:28.49 | qwerty12_N810 | We all know that Fremantle will support portrait, very well... /s |
| 22:30.06 | lardman | perhaps 3.5" is rounded to the nearest 1/2 inch :) |
| 22:30.34 | javispedro | this just in: n1000 with a 0.5'' screen |
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| 22:32.39 | Jaffa | lardman: The rumours of the RX-51 had a smaller screen (but higher res) than the N97? |
| 22:33.10 | lardman | I thought the rumour was for a 3.5" screen at higher res? |
| 22:33.43 | Jaffa | Rumour was for a 3.5" screen at 800x480; but I dunno what the N97's specs are |
| 22:34.04 | Jaffa | yerga's posted this to tmo: http://img.xatakamovil.com/2009/07/nokia-n97-mini-01.jpg |
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| 22:34.59 | lardman | http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/8590_Nokia_N97-Nseries_with_QWERTY_.php 3.5" too |
| 22:37.55 | lardman | hmm, is there a model number on that image? |
| 22:38.04 | qwerty12_N810 | N00 |
| 22:38.28 | lardman | naming reboot? :) |
| 22:38.37 | javispedro | overflow |
| 22:38.47 | lardman | NInf surely |
| 22:39.33 | Stskeeps | is it just me or does http://img.xatakamovil.com/2009/07/nokia-n97-mini-01.jpg label seem fake? :P |
| 22:40.07 | Jaffa | The N810 prototypes that I saw pictures of had "N00" as the model code too |
| 22:40.27 | javispedro | every one of these "leaks" usually has some degree of fakeness -- scapegoat? |
| 22:40.38 | lardman | the two images are very similar |
| 22:41.03 | lardman | or rather the n97mini looks very similar in both |
| 22:41.24 | Jaffa | http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitot/1935890966/ <- N810 prototype with "N00" brand |
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| 22:46.23 | lardman | Jaffa: I'll also push the zbar MUD xml to you if that's ok, tomorrow though |
| 22:46.46 | Jaffa | lardman: sure |
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| 22:49.15 | Macer | man my son was a punk just now |
| 22:49.24 | Macer | i had to drag him away from the playground kickin gand screaming |
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| 22:49.33 | Macer | and now he's grounded for being stupid |
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| 22:57.49 | lardman | why does it always get to this time of night and then I decide to "just test this little program" knowing full well that I'll want to debug it into the early hours? |
| 22:58.38 | Jaffa | Indeed. |
| 23:00.59 | Macer | lol!! |
| 23:01.00 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.12 | Macer | http://www.informationweek.com/news/personal_tech/iphone/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218800150 |
| 23:01.29 | javispedro | ah, yes. we already burnt some cell towers a few hours ago ;) |
| 23:01.35 | Macer | apple says that illegal apps run on a "jail break" phone |
| 23:01.42 | Macer | will take out entire cell phone towers! |
| 23:01.43 | Macer | haahhaha!! |
| 23:01.47 | Macer | what a load of bullshit |
| 23:01.55 | javispedro | ~seen timeless_mbp |
| 23:01.56 | infobot | timeless_mbp is currently on #maemo (4h 51m 20s), last said: 'ECLOSED'. |
| 23:01.58 | lardman | well it is possible, not sure if the jailbreaking allows enough access to the hw to allow it though |
| 23:02.07 | Macer | lol |
| 23:02.12 | Macer | i think they are full of it :) |
| 23:02.14 | qwerty12_N810 | Hi, I'm Apple. I love to talk out of my ass. |
| 23:02.18 | Macer | haha |
| 23:02.38 | Macer | because they are trying to make it illegal to jailbreak phones |
| 23:02.46 | Macer | i mean..are cops going to randomly stop iphone users |
| 23:02.47 | lcuk | would be one hell of a coup if maemo knocked out the towers first |
| 23:02.55 | Macer | and say "LET ME SEE THAT PHONE! IS IT JAILBROKEN?!" |
| 23:02.56 | Macer | haha |
| 23:03.04 | Macer | wtf |
| 23:03.15 | lardman | lcuk: I guess we won't get low enough level access to do that |
| 23:03.25 | Macer | like people don't have enough to worry about.. rapists.. murders afoot.. and people romain around with their jailbroken iphones |
| 23:03.34 | lcuk | lardman, you should follow luovanto on twitter :D |
| 23:03.35 | Macer | armegeddon incarnate |
| 23:04.04 | lardman | I'm not a big twitterer, as anyone who's following me will have noticed :) |
| 23:04.05 | Macer | s/romain/roaming |
| 23:04.33 | javispedro | " ClutterX11 - Failed to get XImage of pixmap" I knew it wasn't going to be easy |
| 23:04.34 | Jaffa | lcuk: I do, and I'm not sure the Finnish jazz scene is what I expected :-/ |
| 23:04.40 | lardman | Macer: it is theoretically possible to crash a cell tower though |
| 23:04.48 | lcuk | Jaffa, look down a bit :D |
| 23:05.21 | lardman | Macer: but I guess Apple are mainly looking for an excuse, as the radio hw is probably pretty much hardwired |
| 23:05.23 | Jaffa | lcuk: ah, true |
| 23:05.24 | Macer | lardman: i'll believe it when i see it |
| 23:05.30 | Macer | lardman: i am sure it is |
| 23:05.37 | Macer | i think they are full of crap |
| 23:05.47 | Macer | jailbroken iphones taking out cell towers :) |
| 23:05.49 | Macer | hahaha |
| 23:06.03 | javispedro | they are: http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Baseband |
| 23:06.12 | javispedro | (full of crap, I mean ;) ) |
| 23:08.35 | Macer | although the baseband stores their MAC addresses in it's NVRAM |
| 23:08.43 | Macer | i stopped reading at the "it's" :) |
| 23:08.45 | Macer | haha |
| 23:09.02 | Macer | something about people misusing words in wikis totally makes me lose interest |
| 23:11.35 | javispedro | yet another xephyr&fremantle problem... "hildon-desktop: ClutterX11 - Failed to get XImage of pixmap: 80002b, removing", 0 google hits |
| 23:11.40 | javispedro | more fun |
| 23:12.04 | GeneralAntilles | :DDD |
| 23:14.14 | javispedro | ah, already fixed |
| 23:14.35 | javispedro | take note: clutter doesn't like the X server being on another computer |
| 23:15.40 | javispedro | probably it uses Xshm or something like that to "get XImage of pixmaps"? |
| 23:16.08 | javispedro | cause running without 3d is slooooooooooow |
| 23:16.23 | mavhc | apparently only root on an iphone destroys the cell phone network, all those other phones must be better |
| 23:17.36 | javispedro | i'm going to try and test a new method for the "one universal source package multiple maemo versions" idea: using m4 to fill debian/control debian/postinst and all that |
| 23:17.49 | lardman | right, am going to pull myself away from zbar + python (mainly because the Maemo camera example doesn't seem to work) |
| 23:17.53 | lardman | night all |
| 23:24.46 | Jaffa | javispedro: Seen what grahamcobb does with GPE (using MUD) to support bora, chinook and diablo (IIRC) |
| 23:25.39 | VDVsx | lcuk, lol |
| 23:27.58 | javispedro | Jaffa, nice |
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