| 00:00.14 | genewitch | i wish delorme knew about the n800 |
| 00:00.17 | genewitch | i really like their software |
| 00:00.29 | genewitch | their gps receivers are trash |
| 00:00.33 | genewitch | but, what can you do |
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| 00:00.58 | bootio | i just want something that works where i don't have to have an active internet connection to get a route planned (as long as the maps are there) |
| 00:04.22 | genewitch | holy cow, gpxview doesn't need any mapping software, it throws a compass up for you to find caches |
| 00:04.54 | johnx | is that good or bad? |
| 00:04.56 | genewitch | bootio: Thomas Guide |
| 00:05.00 | johnx | doesn't geocache |
| 00:05.02 | genewitch | johnx: it's awesome |
| 00:05.14 | johnx | very cool, then :) |
| 00:07.23 | genewitch | haha, mapper has "WIFI Hotspots" as POI |
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| 00:38.05 | genewitch | johnx: thanks for mentioning gpxview |
| 00:38.12 | genewitch | that's a pretty awesome app |
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| 01:22.05 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, can you run some ports through the alpha SDK so we can get these people to STFU? |
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| 01:31.15 | b-man161 | jumps when he sees a house centipede comming twards his mouse 0.o |
| 01:31.32 | b-man161 | i hate those things >.< |
| 01:35.57 | Proteous | ewww |
| 01:36.10 | Proteous | they are all gooey when you smash em with your fingers |
| 01:36.17 | GeneralAntilles | They kill roaches though |
| 01:36.27 | Proteous | my farts kill roaches |
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| 03:12.36 | Macer | hello |
| 03:15.40 | Macer | hm |
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| 06:09.20 | timeless | hello world |
| 06:09.32 | Stskeeps | morning timeless |
| 06:09.39 | timeless | anyone here know of an s60 app which makes knocking sounds |
| 06:09.50 | timeless | presumably when people in an im group sign in |
| 06:10.01 | timeless | i'm borrowing an n80 phone because my e61 died |
| 06:10.11 | timeless | and there's something i can't see in the task list which is eating resources |
| 06:10.15 | timeless | i'd like to kill it :( |
| 06:10.32 | timeless | anyway, i'm flying to istanbul today for my winter vacation |
| 06:10.51 | Stskeeps | 's going to warsaw |
| 06:11.15 | Stskeeps | (until thursday) |
| 06:12.22 | radic | is there a way to extent the internal memory of the n800? |
| 06:12.39 | Stskeeps | radic: clone-to-SD is the usual solution |
| 06:12.59 | Stskeeps | and don't get started on moving /usr or something, whole thing is a lot saner. :P |
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| 06:17.12 | radic | Stskeeps: btw. do you know an howto where is discribed how to boot from external memory such as SD-card or USB-stick? |
| 06:17.40 | luke-jr | anyone use Marble for navigation? |
| 06:17.43 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 06:17.53 | Stskeeps | -> radic |
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| 06:40.16 | thux | morning |
| 06:40.31 | RST38h | mourning. |
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| 06:40.49 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 06:41.04 | Stskeeps | jesus, 3 days in customs |
| 06:41.11 | Stskeeps | what are they doing to my package |
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| 06:42.19 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: playing with it |
| 06:43.35 | L0cutus | 'giorno |
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| 06:43.56 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: true, tablets are fun :P |
| 06:44.16 | Macer_ | Stskeeps: get it yet? |
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| 06:44.25 | Stskeeps | Macer_: still in customs, heh |
| 06:44.29 | Macer_ | haha |
| 06:44.34 | luke-jr | I finally broke down and setup cross-distcc |
| 06:44.39 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: hah-ha |
| 06:44.39 | Macer_ | i think they are booting it and making sure it isn't spy equipment :) |
| 06:44.39 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 06:44.53 | luke-jr | Macer_: then he'll never get it |
| 06:44.56 | luke-jr | since it has a webcam |
| 06:45.10 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: not that i in any way appreciate gentoo, - we have a quite well-emulated arm chroot environment with working cross-compiler |
| 06:45.13 | Macer | maybe searched soem sort of international list and realized i had secret clearance :) |
| 06:45.42 | Macer | not to mention that if they were to xray it.. it would probably look like some sort of bomb haha |
| 06:45.44 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: ? |
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| 06:46.02 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: as in, grab a ARM rootstrap, chroot into it, on x86, and still being able to use a cross-compiler to build stuff |
| 06:46.27 | Stskeeps | speeds up builds quite a tad :P |
| 06:46.30 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: but that won't failover to native building |
| 06:46.52 | Stskeeps | sure, only gcc is accelerated, and could easily fallover to the normal gcc |
| 06:47.07 | Stskeeps | as normal gcc is emulated just fine too |
| 06:47.11 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 06:47.14 | luke-jr | I mean on the tablet |
| 06:47.34 | luke-jr | if I'm not on my LAN, I don't want to be stranded w/o the ability to build stuff |
| 06:47.37 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 06:47.55 | Stskeeps | nevermind i guess - we have great benefits from our approach |
| 06:48.26 | Macer | blah. i think i am going to have to use this goddamn artigo as a server or something |
| 06:48.33 | Macer | just to see if i will have better luck with glftpd |
| 06:49.38 | Stskeeps | glftpd .. heh, so many years since i used that last |
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| 07:11.28 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkIY9Pl8IU4 |
| 07:11.33 | pupnik | music video live |
| 07:15.45 | RST38h | ehlos Sts and pupnik |
| 07:16.07 | johnx | hi RST38h |
| 07:16.29 | johnx | <- caffeinated |
| 07:16.52 | Stskeeps | morning johnx |
| 07:17.09 | Stskeeps | i see you keep same sleeping rhythm as in japan ;) |
| 07:17.17 | johnx | heh |
| 07:17.21 | johnx | it's only midnight here |
| 07:17.43 | Stskeeps | ah, 9 hours behind i guess |
| 07:17.52 | johnx | I just came back from hanging out with some friends at a local cafe |
| 07:17.58 | johnx | free refills on coffee |
| 07:18.20 | johnx | got one person definitely rounded up for table duty at LFNW :> |
| 07:18.24 | Stskeeps | :) |
| 07:18.28 | Stskeeps | when was it again? |
| 07:18.46 | johnx | LFNW? 25th and 26th |
| 07:18.48 | johnx | does OBS have a PPC builder? |
| 07:19.14 | Stskeeps | i'm not sure but i think it depends on 1) qemu support or 2) actual hw |
| 07:19.32 | pupnik | i think growing food, and owning silver is a good fucking idea right now |
| 07:19.50 | Stskeeps | i have a bomb shelter 10 meters from me, i'll be fine. :P |
| 07:19.58 | johnx | pupnik, what about growing silver and owning food? |
| 07:20.27 | pupnik | if you can make money, do it |
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| 07:20.36 | pupnik | for those who cant... |
| 07:20.50 | thux | is there a fdisk for maemo? |
| 07:21.04 | thux | that sfdisk confuses me :P |
| 07:21.25 | Stskeeps | cfdisk exists |
| 07:21.27 | johnx | there's even cfdisk somewhere |
| 07:21.44 | Stskeeps | thux: sfdisk is neat once you tame it :P |
| 07:22.01 | thux | hehe yeah probably |
| 07:24.00 | luke-jr | I love how the N810 decides to reboot randomly -.- |
| 07:24.14 | Stskeeps | watchdogs |
| 07:24.53 | luke-jr | can they be killed? |
| 07:26.09 | Stskeeps | yes, but be aware that it is probably for your safety |
| 07:26.23 | Stskeeps | has no idea if the battery sw works ok when wd's are disabled :) |
| 07:26.55 | johnx | it seems to...but at the same time that *would* explain some things |
| 07:27.52 | Stskeeps | my worst fear when i was decoding BME communication was that i accidentially tripped something, heh |
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| 07:28.26 | johnx | same fear I had doing this to my zaurus' kernel: //is_fatal = 1 |
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| 07:35.18 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 07:35.22 | luke-jr | so how do I kill wds? |
| 07:35.30 | Stskeeps | flasher options |
| 07:36.10 | RST38h | Bacon? |
| 07:36.43 | RST38h | Hmm...no reaction from the usual suspects |
| 07:37.05 | luke-jr | meh |
| 07:38.38 | johnx | luke-jr, flash to r&d mode |
| 07:38.48 | johnx | the closed source flasher has a flag you pass |
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| 07:42.51 | luke-jr | I don't want to flash again |
| 07:43.18 | johnx | it's just setting a flag, not reflashing the OS |
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| 08:04.59 | jaem | hey folks |
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| 08:08.04 | jaem | ...it's dead in here |
| 08:08.07 | jaem | which is said |
| 08:08.10 | jaem | zombies are much more fun |
| 08:08.18 | jaem | sad* |
| 08:08.34 | glass | well they're undead |
| 08:09.00 | thopiekar | :P |
| 08:09.23 | thopiekar | jaem: the geeks are sleeping now :D |
| 08:09.43 | X-Fade | Or just pre-coffee ;) |
| 08:10.00 | thopiekar | hehe |
| 08:10.09 | johnx | <- post coffee |
| 08:10.16 | johnx | hopefully I'll be able to sleep soon |
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| 08:10.31 | X-Fade | johnx: Yeah, but you are on the other side of the world ;) |
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| 08:11.00 | johnx | slightly different side of the world than I was last month, but yes :) |
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| 08:11.31 | jaem | johnx: how do you guys manage to not fall off that side of the world? |
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| 08:11.39 | jaem | I thought science hadn't figured that out yet |
| 08:11.58 | jaem | although I guess there was a workaround involving a sphere a few hundred years ago |
| 08:12.36 | johnx | we had to invent gravity |
| 08:13.06 | jaem | on a completely different topic, it's great when you leave contacting a prof about something important until way too late, and then they e-mail you back at 12am, 5 minutes after you e-mail them :D |
| 08:13.21 | jaem | johnx: we're still working on uninventing it |
| 08:13.48 | jaem | that reminds me... in most sci-fi movies, spaceships that only have thrusters on their rear, somehow manage to take off vertically |
| 08:13.56 | jaem | is there some canonical explanation for that? |
| 08:14.09 | johnx | practical doesn't look cool |
| 08:14.15 | jaem | yeah, fair point |
| 08:14.18 | jaem | this is Hollywood |
| 08:14.32 | johnx | Firefly had it down pretty well |
| 08:14.34 | jaem | they don't care if something's completely wrong, as long as 90% of their audience won't know any better |
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| 08:14.41 | jaem | johnx: well, that's Firefly :P |
| 08:14.43 | johnx | I think StarTrek takes care of it with some kind of anti-gravity |
| 08:14.54 | jaem | and Serenity is a nice ship |
| 08:15.26 | jaem | I still remember my first thought after watching Wall-E was that they had blatantly broken Newton's laws of motion |
| 08:15.57 | jaem | Who needs science, anyway? Of course objects decelerate after the applied force is removed! |
| 08:16.09 | glass | jaem: most scifi writers and tech guys aren't really tech guys who think stuff through |
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| 08:16.45 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:16.53 | glass | (the first tech guys as in 'scifi' tech guys who do the stuff for the shows..) |
| 08:16.58 | X-Fade | Morning Jaffa |
| 08:17.05 | jaem | I'm annoyed... I'm having video playback issues on my new laptop, which means my TV-watching is delayed |
| 08:17.08 | jaem | wants BSG |
| 08:17.13 | jaem | morning, jaffa |
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| 08:17.59 | jaem | from what my friend tells me, it's likely an obscure problem between the player, the codec, and the container I'm using |
| 08:18.13 | jaem | which he only figured out through reading vague forum posts, and going through the specs |
| 08:18.28 | jaem | and he didn't remember how to fix it :( |
| 08:19.09 | jaem | did anyone see today's xkcd? |
| 08:19.10 | glass | tried another playback solution as a hotfix? like vlc |
| 08:19.20 | jaem | glass: it's VLC I'm having the issue with |
| 08:19.24 | jaem | also XBMC |
| 08:19.31 | glass | jaem: os? |
| 08:19.38 | jaem | glass: Arch |
| 08:19.50 | glass | k, out of ideas then |
| 08:19.51 | jaem | it plays fine on Windows, AFAIK, although I haven't personally tried this set of files |
| 08:20.01 | jaem | Windows, with WMP* |
| 08:20.20 | jaem | something tells me that trying to play back HD content with WMP on Wine would make me cry |
| 08:20.24 | glass | jaem: try mpc in wine with windows codecs?-) |
| 08:20.37 | glass | dunno, that should be doable |
| 08:20.41 | jaem | actually, just clicking through the WMP EULA would probably make me cry |
| 08:20.59 | jaem | glass: mpc? is that the mpd client, or something else? |
| 08:21.33 | glass | jaem: media player classic, a 'clone' of early windows media player ui, with hd etc stuff helping options |
| 08:21.35 | qwerty12 | media player classic |
| 08:21.42 | jaem | oh, that |
| 08:21.44 | jaem | okay |
| 08:21.47 | jaem | I'll give it a shot |
| 08:22.11 | jaem | are the FOSS x264 codecs, etc, readily available? |
| 08:23.03 | RST38h | moo, glass. |
| 08:23.31 | glass | jaem: dunno. warez some codec pack :p |
| 08:23.42 | glass | jaem: mplayer can also use windows codecs, no? |
| 08:23.56 | jaem | glass: not that I'm aware of, but I've never looked into it |
| 08:23.59 | jaem | that sounds plausible |
| 08:23.59 | glass | needs a wakeup |
| 08:24.18 | jaem | hits glass over the head with an alarm clock |
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| 08:24.32 | jaem | then smashes a mug of coffee over glass's head |
| 08:24.42 | jaem | that should do it |
| 08:24.42 | thopiekar | :D |
| 08:24.55 | jaem | I don't think I can tunnel adrenaline over IP yet |
| 08:25.09 | jaem | Avian carrier might support it, but I haven't checked the latest spec |
| 08:25.13 | glass | that would make you rich |
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| 08:25.15 | jaem | you'll have to do with Espresso |
| 08:25.25 | glass | but i wouldn't stop at adrealine |
| 08:25.33 | jaem | glass: you would when you got caught |
| 08:26.05 | glass | at least i'd be spiced up |
| 08:26.09 | RST38h | "If the backing is placed against a solid surface printed side down, and rubbed, the black dot will transfer to that surface, creating a permanent hole. Tests indicate SCP-133 is capable of penetrating 24" of structural grade titanium" |
| 08:26.34 | glass | huh |
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| 08:26.52 | jaem | there's a bus driver or two in my home town who will actually enforce the "no drinks on the bus" rule to point of refusing regular commuters a ride, because they have coffee in travel mugs at 6am |
| 08:27.03 | jaem | that's just cruel |
| 08:27.11 | glass | well thats his powertrip |
| 08:27.19 | glass | pretty lame powertrip |
| 08:27.35 | RST38h | Replace coffee with chocolate, leave wrappings everywhere |
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| 08:28.03 | RST38h | Even better, do not leave any garbage to prevent him from complaining, but MAKE LOUD UNPLEASANT NOISES with the wrapping. |
| 08:28.44 | jaem | :S |
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| 08:31.23 | Stskeeps | jaem: i don't blame them though, it's bloody irritating to clean up the stuff :P |
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| 08:32.19 | jaem | no doubt, but enforcing the letter of the law is often inconvenient mostly for the people who follow the spirit of the law anyway |
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| 08:33.16 | glass | the coffee shop should provide paper bags :) |
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| 08:35.27 | jaem_ | it's like someone walking into your house, shooting you, and then paying for half of the bill to clean the blood out of the carpet :S |
| 08:35.37 | RST38h | not really |
| 08:35.43 | jaem_ | nice thought, but completely missing the point, and not making things any better |
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| 08:35.49 | woglinde | hi rst |
| 08:35.51 | RST38h | Drivers are not directly responsible for cleaning up their buses |
| 08:35.54 | RST38h | moo woglinde |
| 08:35.57 | jaem_ | hi RST38h |
| 08:36.04 | RST38h | There is a cleaning crew that does it |
| 08:36.06 | RST38h | hello jaem |
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| 08:36.34 | jaem_ | RST38h: ATI85 is looking purty slick |
| 08:36.49 | RST38h | so it should |
| 08:37.12 | jaem_ | although my friend criticized the model selector for being too iPhoney... I'm don't really mind it, and it looks good otherwise - was that what you and wazd were going for? |
| 08:37.29 | RST38h | just noticed that DirectDraw no longer lets him set 320x240 or 640x480 screen mode with this laptop =( |
| 08:37.47 | RST38h | jaem: It is supposed to look iphoney |
| 08:38.02 | RST38h | Nothing wrong with copying decent UI when you can |
| 08:38.08 | jaem_ | I didn't think it would happen by accident |
| 08:38.39 | RST38h | if he does not like it, he can start it from xterm: run-ati85 -help for options |
| 08:38.47 | jaem_ | yeah, it is decent - I think my friend just doesn't like the stigma that goes along with the iPhone (although the actual value of it is up for debate) |
| 08:38.52 | jaem_ | okay, good to know |
| 08:39.06 | jaem_ | he doesn't actually have an NIT, though |
| 08:39.13 | jaem_ | I was just showing him |
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| 08:39.59 | woglinde | hm killall ssh is no good idea |
| 08:40.12 | jaem_ | by the way, what do you folks think about picking up a used N800 to use as an HTPC remote? |
| 08:40.23 | jaem_ | having web/ssh access would be a plus, in my case |
| 08:40.30 | yan | I cant find microb-engine in repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0prealpha2 |
| 08:40.33 | Myrtti | uses her 770 as a home automation remote |
| 08:40.34 | jaem_ | although my friend can get good deals on Logitech remotes |
| 08:40.35 | yan | where is it |
| 08:40.51 | jaem_ | Myrtti: what sort of automation system do you have? |
| 08:41.00 | yan | must i checkout microb trunk |
| 08:41.12 | jaem_ | I had thought about looking into that, but last I checked, it was expensive to get into |
| 08:41.15 | Myrtti | Z-wave something, I haven't really looked into it :-) |
| 08:41.24 | RST38h | jaem: just get a real remote |
| 08:41.33 | jaem_ | and there's only so much we can do in the townhouse, given that its owned by the uni |
| 08:42.00 | jaem_ | RST38h: any reasons in particular, that outweigh the browser and ssh that I mentioned wanting? |
| 08:42.07 | jaem_ | if it's significantly better, sure |
| 08:42.45 | RST38h | jaem: better sits in your hand, has got tactile buttons, can be dropped without regrets |
| 08:43.12 | jaem_ | hmm |
| 08:43.14 | RST38h | jaem: does not require additional intercourse to make it work |
| 08:43.23 | jaem_ | I agree with you on [1] and [2], at any rate |
| 08:43.46 | jaem_ | partly, I think I just wanted an excuse to get someone else to pay part of it, so I could have another NIT to play with :P |
| 08:43.59 | jaem_ | although I would beg to differ on [0], possibly |
| 08:44.30 | jaem_ | I don't actually own an N800, but the N810 fits my hand very well, provided it doesn't have a USB cable plugged in |
| 08:44.56 | RST38h | Landscape gadgets do not sit well in a hand |
| 08:45.16 | RST38h | You are usually supposed to hold them with both hands |
| 08:45.37 | jaem_ | that's true, I guess, but I don't see it as an issue, particularly |
| 08:45.46 | jaem_ | oh well, I'll think about it more |
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| 08:45.57 | jaem_ | it also depends on our choice of Media Center software |
| 08:47.09 | jaem_ | and whether I get a new desktop, so I can repurpose my current one as an HTCP in the first place |
| 08:48.10 | lbt | jaem_: great idea..... *huge* project to do it properly (with MythTV anyway) |
| 08:48.26 | RST38h | Why is it huge? |
| 08:48.43 | lbt | state and feedback |
| 08:49.25 | jaem_ | lbt: I like XBMC, but of course, the N8x0 doesn't have IR, and I'm not sure if XBMC supports remote control over telnet, or other backends, which /would/ work with the NITs |
| 08:49.27 | lbt | you need the front-end UI to be on the device |
| 08:50.02 | lbt | 'properly' is not IR or telnet |
| 08:50.17 | lbt | telnet is a network protocol :) |
| 08:50.38 | lbt | even telnet CLI is just a layered nw protocol |
| 08:50.42 | Stskeeps | jaem_: BlueMaemo, HID |
| 08:50.42 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:50.48 | RST38h | lbt: Do not store any state in the tablet |
| 08:50.51 | RST38h | It is wrong. |
| 08:50.56 | jaem_ | lbt: I know, but there's a remote control app for Maemo that supports using Telnet, and various other methods, as a substitute for an IR remote |
| 08:51.04 | Macer | hm |
| 08:51.04 | lbt | the state is on the HTPC, not the tablet |
| 08:51.04 | RST38h | Notice that no remote control will save any state. |
| 08:51.11 | jaem_ | Stskeeps: oh... right *forgot* |
| 08:51.13 | Macer | been maxing out my cable modem for a week |
| 08:51.29 | jaem_ | Stskeeps: that would be much simpler, and BlueMaemo is great |
| 08:51.41 | jaem_ | the UI could use a bit of work, although it's better these days |
| 08:51.51 | jaem_ | Macer: that's why you need More Internets! |
| 08:52.07 | Macer | naw. it's going 2.5MB/s |
| 08:52.09 | lbt | I want a tablet remote that *knows* what 'mode' the HTPC is in and provides a suitable UI |
| 08:52.10 | Macer | so it's fast enough ;) |
| 08:52.18 | lbt | not 'up/down/left/right' |
| 08:52.25 | jaem_ | Macer: that's nothing |
| 08:52.36 | Macer | heh.. fast enough for me ;) |
| 08:52.40 | jaem_ | we'll have 6 connections next fall term |
| 08:52.46 | lbt | if I wanted u/d/l/r then a $1 remote is *way* better than buying a 2nd hand N00 |
| 08:52.49 | lbt | N800 |
| 08:52.51 | Macer | it's my home cable modem |
| 08:52.51 | jaem_ | Macer: I'm kidding, slightly |
| 08:53.00 | Macer | heh. i think 2.5MB/s is ok |
| 08:53.03 | jaem_ | Macer: it's our two cable modems, and four residence lines |
| 08:53.07 | jaem_ | yeah, it is |
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| 08:53.10 | jaem_ | but more is always better |
| 08:53.14 | jaem_ | hehe |
| 08:53.40 | jaem_ | people often get in serious trouble for tunnelling their torrent downloads over their shell account on the school file server |
| 08:53.57 | RST38h | lbt: As I said, any attempts to store state in the remote are futile |
| 08:54.03 | jaem_ | my uni is a major data-store and processing facility for the LHC, so we have stupid fast internet |
| 08:54.15 | jaem_ | and a few 15PB storage racks |
| 08:54.26 | RST38h | lbt: You want to show what state HTPC is in - receive it directly from the HTPC and if it times out, go to main menu |
| 08:54.39 | RST38h | has been there before |
| 08:54.53 | jaem_ | RST38h: where? |
| 08:54.54 | rmt | Hmm.. the email app isn't showing the summaries of new emails from the panel anymore (although the LED still blinks when it's off and an email is received) .. where did I change that? |
| 08:55.11 | RST38h | jaem: inside remote controls. |
| 08:55.12 | jaem_ | rmt: I was getting that the other day, too |
| 08:55.14 | Stskeeps | rmt: modest will at any given moment try to fuck you over |
| 08:55.15 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:55.39 | woglinde | hm can someone pointme to a test video which is know to work with libvideoacceleration? |
| 08:56.01 | rmt | Maybe I'll try the ol' windows trick.. |
| 08:56.32 | jumpula | reboot? |
| 08:56.51 | rmt | yup |
| 08:56.53 | jumpula | that's the oldest windows trick i know |
| 08:57.00 | jumpula | works still like a charm |
| 08:57.18 | Macer | hahaha |
| 08:57.43 | jaem_ | jumpula: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_koan#Enlightenment |
| 08:58.17 | jumpula | :P |
| 08:59.29 | jaem_ | hmm... interesting: http://www.reason.com/blog/show/127773.html |
| 09:01.58 | oli | n |
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| 09:02.44 | oli | Testing j2me ssh client :-) |
| 09:06.36 | pupnik | reason magazine woke me up jaem_ |
| 09:06.56 | pupnik | the man who introduced me to it is in federal prison |
| 09:06.58 | jaem_ | pupnik: I hadn't actually heard of it before |
| 09:07.00 | jaem_ | oh? |
| 09:07.10 | pupnik | he fought the government |
| 09:07.17 | jaem_ | ... |
| 09:07.44 | Stskeeps | gets out his tinfoil hat |
| 09:08.00 | pupnik | we don't want to go there, not in this google-channel |
| 09:09.37 | jaem | pupnik: ...okay, I'll leave it at the first few cryptic comments |
| 09:09.39 | jaem | lol |
| 09:11.04 | jaem | checks if the latest GIT of VLC will play his videos properly |
| 09:11.09 | jaem | if they do, I'm off for the night |
| 09:11.48 | pupnik | this is not lol |
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| 09:11.58 | jaem | pupnik: okay, sorry |
| 09:11.59 | pupnik | this is a fucking gun in your mouth |
| 09:12.02 | jaem | no offense |
| 09:12.04 | pupnik | k |
| 09:12.09 | pupnik | hope i didn't offend either |
| 09:12.48 | jaem | I wasn't sure whether you were serious |
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| 09:13.00 | jaem | anyhow, g'night #maemo |
| 09:13.08 | woglinde | night jaem |
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| 09:16.24 | RST38h | Did I miss something? Has government faked the universe while I was away? |
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| 09:16.59 | rmt | What do you know, a reboot did the trick.. Suuure, I probably could've changed runlevels or restarted the interface.. but it was about time to check whether it would reboot successfully (and backup my customisations). :-) |
| 09:17.16 | rmt | So - installing bootmenu, and booting from the external card.... |
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| 09:23.38 | Stskeeps | pupnik: fodder for your paranoia - thepiratebay people got a year in jail |
| 09:24.22 | pupnik | fuck you |
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| 09:24.36 | woglinde | no |
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| 09:26.34 | tank-man | jail time plus money |
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| 09:36.01 | RST38h | now, you scared pupnik off |
| 09:36.11 | RST38h | cruel punks. |
| 09:44.07 | yan | anybody related to microb-engine? |
| 09:44.37 | X-Fade | yan: Try to ping timeless. |
| 09:47.49 | qwerty12 | wonders what http://vokrug.org/ is about |
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| 09:49.51 | yan | :) |
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| 09:51.27 | thopiekar | qwerty12: what about translating it? |
| 09:51.29 | thopiekar | http://translate.google.de/translate?prev=hp&hl=de&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvokrug.org%2F&sl=ru&tl=en |
| 09:52.08 | qwerty12 | OK, that's better, thanks |
| 09:52.14 | thopiekar | seems to be a gronmayer-it alternative |
| 09:52.18 | thopiekar | :P np |
| 09:53.24 | RST38h | hehe, somebody is ripping off PackRat already |
| 09:54.02 | RST38h | they are not very good at it, but of course it is the effort that matters :) |
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| 09:57.38 | qwerty12 | RST38h: Getting the AK-47 ready? |
| 09:58.51 | jaem_ | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_a1qyEHxny0s/R7MU5VsYkDI/AAAAAAAAAQo/ElaWK-MKoLc/s1600-h/hello-kitty-1.jpg |
| 09:59.02 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 09:59.11 | RST38h | qwerty: Oh yes! |
| 09:59.29 | jaem_ | apparently it's real - I've seen a picture of the 'artist' at a shooting range |
| 09:59.37 | RST38h | qwerty: http://www.geekologie.com/2009/04/dangerously_delicious_the_bak4.php |
| 09:59.40 | jaem_ | not that that proves anything, this being the internet |
| 10:00.04 | jaem_ | whaa.....?! |
| 10:00.09 | qwerty12 | RST38h: lol, wut? |
| 10:00.15 | jaem_ | RST38h: that's just... just... >_< |
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| 10:02.00 | RST38h | qwerty: I think certain people here just NEED to see this =) |
| 10:02.08 | qwerty12 | *grin* |
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| 10:07.44 | GeneralAntilles | Another gronmayer clone? |
| 10:07.47 | GeneralAntilles | Nice. . . . |
| 10:09.20 | RST38h | "This is good news for everyone, in Sweden and internationally, who is making a living or a business from creative activity and who needs to know their rights will protected by law." |
| 10:09.56 | RST38h | rejoices and requires daily video dispatches of PirateBay guys being abused in prison |
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| 10:11.47 | jaem_ | RST38h: TPB is a commercial venture? That's new to me |
| 10:12.13 | jaem_ | and how are the Big Media corporations involved in "creative activity"? |
| 10:12.35 | Blafasel | Pity. Screw the media guys.. |
| 10:12.58 | jaem_ | I'd be glad if TPB won solely because of setting precedent, apart from the ethics/legalities of their indivual case |
| 10:13.27 | RST38h | They can't win because they are not settig the rules |
| 10:13.33 | RST38h | Their opponents do. |
| 10:13.51 | jaem_ | that's true |
| 10:13.57 | *** part/#maemo zommi (n=andreas@nat/ibm/x-b011d7b5478dbcf5) |
| 10:13.58 | jaem_ | and that's exactly what's wrong with things |
| 10:13.59 | jaem_ | grr |
| 10:14.36 | RST38h | Well you can't do much about things that are given to you. But you can adjust your lifestyle to live around them |
| 10:15.56 | RST38h | And if you do just a few careful adjustments, your quality of life will not descrease, and will most likely improve. |
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| 10:19.30 | jaem | was just reading the TorrentFreak article |
| 10:20.02 | jaem | I liked the comment about how ironic it was that the verdict got leaked before release :P |
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| 10:23.13 | csaavedra | hello, who can I inquire about the git repos in garage? |
| 10:23.46 | X-Fade | csaavedra: You can try me and if I can't help you -> ferenc ;) |
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| 10:45.09 | thopiekar | is now going to upgrade his pc with 12GHz and 4GB Ram |
| 10:45.19 | thopiekar | cu l8er |
| 10:45.31 | Razumihin | 12GHZ? |
| 10:45.41 | thopiekar | 3Ghz x4 |
| 10:45.54 | Razumihin | Those don't sum up ;) |
| 10:45.58 | Razumihin | But ok :) |
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| 11:00.00 | aquatix | Razumihin: they do if you multiplex them! |
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| 11:00.16 | aquatix | just need to add a phase shifter here and some flux capacitors there |
| 11:01.44 | Razumihin | :D |
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| 11:16.10 | lcuk | aquatix, you can buy flux capacitors nowadays? |
| 11:16.36 | aquatix | no, need to build them by hand |
| 11:16.44 | aquatix | so they might be a tad expensive |
| 11:17.17 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.17 | jaem | doesn't the US have export restrictions on unobtanium? |
| 11:20.26 | jaem | it sounds like the sort of thing they would have it for |
| 11:20.28 | jaem | grr |
| 11:21.44 | lcuk | jaem, yaeh they have restrictions on quantity per year, but once you build your first one its a bit easier to work around the problem |
| 11:22.00 | jaem | -grin- |
| 11:22.39 | lcuk | there should really be export restrictions on ream dangerous things. |
| 11:22.49 | jaem | that reminds me... my laser rod is on order :D |
| 11:23.00 | lcuk | some of the american tv shows are so bad they should be banned everywhere |
| 11:23.08 | jaem | lol |
| 11:23.31 | lcuk | what kind of laser are you gettin? |
| 11:24.32 | jaem | it's just the rod, which we're going to try to talk a physics prof into helping us build a laser with, providing the other parts aren't too expensive |
| 11:24.43 | jaem | and the rod is erbium-doped |
| 11:25.04 | jaem | it was only $20, which is dirt cheap |
| 11:25.20 | jaem | the optics could be pricey, though |
| 11:26.06 | lcuk | optics? i thought lasers used no real optics barring a half silvered end |
| 11:26.31 | lcuk | has a simplistic view of the world, so i might be wrong lol |
| 11:26.40 | jaem | I'm not sure of all the details, as my friend is more into that |
| 11:26.45 | jaem | but I believe there is some |
| 11:27.22 | lcuk | heh, im betting your friend was waving his hands around when trying to explain it |
| 11:27.41 | lcuk | i read the other day scientists have managed to make lasers bend around in an arc |
| 11:27.51 | jaem | not really, although admittedly neither of us are that knowledgeable in laser physics |
| 11:28.19 | jaem | but we're interested in the topic, and it was a good deal, so... |
| 11:28.35 | lcuk | top banana! |
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| 11:31.15 | lcuk | X-Fade, ping again |
| 11:31.24 | X-Fade | lcuk: Wazzup? |
| 11:32.49 | lcuk | nuffin major, its that "page #824 has been commented by" its changed. they are now spoofing the person who made the change |
| 11:32.56 | RST38h | has seen green laser beams bent in arcs back in Vegas |
| 11:33.06 | RST38h | Anyone cares to explain HOW it has been done? |
| 11:34.00 | lcuk | i believe its the same principle as in bubble chambers of colliders |
| 11:34.26 | lcuk | effecting the spin and balance (hand waving time) of the beam allows it to interact with the particles in the air and produce an arc |
| 11:34.42 | RST38h | the beam is made of photons |
| 11:34.44 | X-Fade | lcuk: Can you forward me a mail? |
| 11:39.59 | lcuk | RST38h, ill find it in slashdot |
| 11:40.31 | lcuk | everyone was takin the piss because if you mounted it on a shark it would kill the shark after looping round! |
| 11:40.58 | lcuk | http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/15/0147234 |
| 11:42.24 | RST38h | lcuk: !!! |
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| 11:43.17 | RST38h | lcuk: Weird part is, I have seen this long before 2009 |
| 11:43.48 | lcuk | oh, you have a flux capacitor as well o_O |
| 11:43.52 | lcuk | how long did it take to make it? |
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| 11:47.44 | aquatix | lcuk: if you have to ask, you don't have enough time for it |
| 11:48.14 | RST38h | wonders if there were any controlled substances in the air |
| 11:48.30 | aquatix | RST38h: well, i'm in the air |
| 11:48.56 | RST38h | bottles aquatix |
| 11:48.56 | aquatix | but i'm not exactly what you would call `controlled' |
| 11:49.06 | aquatix | oh noes, genie in a bottle |
| 11:49.37 | ShadowJK | RST38h, the beam is emitting photons, otherwise you wouldn't see it :-) |
| 11:50.14 | aquatix | those photons are hitting particles in the air and are reflected |
| 11:50.36 | RST38h | Shadow: Yea, it gets reflected from the dust and vapor in the air |
| 11:50.41 | aquatix | that's why you need a cloud of dust, smoke or water to make such a beam visible |
| 11:50.44 | aquatix | indeed |
| 11:50.57 | RST38h | In the clean air, the laser beam is invisible |
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| 11:51.31 | RST38h | Still, it does not explain why the hell those beams were going in the arcs |
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| 11:53.44 | ShadowJK | actually a guy in that slashdot article explained :D |
| 11:54.00 | ShadowJK | so like it's almost same effect as a mirage |
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| 11:54.16 | RST38h | Hot air + laser beam? |
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| 12:23.03 | GeneralAntilles | We need a bot to fix camelCase articles |
| 12:23.07 | GeneralAntilles | I'm really tired of moving them. |
| 12:24.16 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, write it |
| 12:24.39 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I have plans for lots of bots but absolutely no intention of writing any of them myself. :P |
| 12:25.35 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, shame |
| 12:25.40 | crashanddie | as a whole, and on you :P |
| 12:25.43 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, yeah. |
| 12:28.32 | mgedmin | duh, just write a bot to write all those bots |
| 12:28.57 | mgedmin | (including yourself, then you won't have to do anything at all!) |
| 12:29.03 | GeneralAntilles | That still requires writing a bot. |
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| 12:33.07 | RST38h | Maybe just ignore those articles? |
| 12:33.14 | RST38h | Just let them be? No? =) |
| 12:33.27 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, article naming has to be consistent. |
| 12:33.35 | GeneralAntilles | So, no, ignoring them isn't an option. |
| 12:33.59 | RST38h | lock them then? |
| 12:34.15 | GeneralAntilles | How does that help any more than moving them? |
| 12:34.47 | RST38h | makes editors think twice |
| 12:35.23 | GeneralAntilles | I'd abuse them in here, but tekojo's missing. |
| 12:35.31 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, whats wrong with the camelcasing and why would shoving them in your bot help? |
| 12:36.02 | lcuk | are they needed forcingto camelcase or from camelcase? |
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| 12:36.14 | aquatix | lcuk: well, because there might be two articles: maemoArticle and maemoarticle |
| 12:36.20 | RST38h | does not get GA's aversion to capitalizing words in titles |
| 12:36.23 | GeneralAntilles | Wiki articles are in sentence case. |
| 12:36.27 | lcuk | case insensitive wiki? |
| 12:36.31 | lcuk | oooH |
| 12:36.38 | lcuk | tho thats normal i gather |
| 12:36.43 | lcuk | still shocks me |
| 12:36.50 | RST38h | That is how it is done in English. May look weird, but other languages have even weirder practices |
| 12:37.05 | aquatix | GeneralAntilles: just wondering, aren't there rewrite rules for that? |
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| 12:37.44 | GeneralAntilles | aquatix, don't have a clue. |
| 12:37.46 | lcuk | doing a global rename would cause major serious problems then and you throw away the search engine juices flowing into classic articles |
| 12:38.11 | GeneralAntilles | There are no classic CamelCase articles. |
| 12:38.13 | lcuk | which articles are worst offenders gan |
| 12:38.19 | GeneralAntilles | None |
| 12:38.30 | GeneralAntilles | It's just when certain people create new articles they forgot. |
| 12:38.31 | lcuk | CamelCase doesnt capitalize the first word does it ? |
| 12:38.35 | lcuk | or is that java version |
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| 12:38.51 | lcuk | does all lowercase everything |
| 12:38.54 | GeneralAntilles | See, for instance, Nemein backlog |
| 12:39.15 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamelCase |
| 12:39.57 | lcuk | that damned stupid "hot topics" bar on the wiki front page goes over links :O |
| 12:40.26 | lcuk | (ie the navigation stuffs, i cant click recent |
| 12:40.36 | GeneralAntilles | Change your layout |
| 12:40.48 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Preferences |
| 12:40.56 | GeneralAntilles | Click Skin |
| 12:41.00 | lcuk | but i didnt log in? |
| 12:41.06 | GeneralAntilles | MonoBookMaemo2009 is coming together. |
| 12:41.36 | lcuk | whats wrong with the nemein backlog page? |
| 12:41.42 | lcuk | apart from typos |
| 12:41.50 | GeneralAntilles | . . . |
| 12:41.56 | GeneralAntilles | tekojo named it "NemeinBacklog" |
| 12:42.03 | GeneralAntilles | it should've been "Nemein backlog" |
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| 12:42.53 | lcuk | then shouldnt the wiki itself suggest changing it to that when you enter it |
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| 12:43.32 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, if you want to write the plugin, feel free. |
| 12:43.59 | lcuk | it wouldnt work anyway |
| 12:44.21 | lcuk | cos i can just do [[generalantilles will shout at me for this title]] or whatever the syntax is |
| 12:44.27 | lcuk | and create an article inline from that |
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| 12:46.05 | GeneralAntilles | Why would you create an article inline? |
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| 13:25.28 | Talus_Laptop | hello mates |
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| 13:37.15 | riot | is there a good audiostream-player/manager available? |
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| 13:52.31 | andre__ | riot, define "good"? :) |
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| 13:54.27 | riot | aah, "any"? ;) |
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| 13:58.57 | riot | i just want to create a nice list with streams so i can easily start radio on the go |
| 13:59.12 | GeneralAntilles | Canola? |
| 14:00.16 | Jaffa | VideoCenter, Canola, MediaBox, gpodder (perhaps), Media Player |
| 14:00.47 | riot | oh, shit, i totally missed "internetradio" in mediaplayer |
| 14:00.55 | Jaffa | :) |
| 14:01.18 | riot | i mostly play oggs and mp3s ;) |
| 14:01.19 | riot | thanks :) |
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| 14:24.02 | lcuk | jaffa, do you run those at the same time :D |
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| 14:25.00 | cbx333 | any way to change the left/right balance of the speakers? |
| 14:25.19 | cbx333 | on n810? |
| 14:25.23 | Jaffa | lcuk: if only the CPU were up to it ;-) |
| 14:25.40 | Jaffa | cbx333: I'm not aware of a way through the UI. there may be underlying mechanisms which aren't exposed. |
| 14:25.47 | cbx333 | grr |
| 14:25.56 | cbx333 | my right ear is slightly deaf |
| 14:26.00 | cbx333 | and it's annoying |
| 14:26.10 | cbx333 | as it "sounds" like the music is coming from the left |
| 14:26.11 | lcuk | cbx333, if you want to make one side louder than the other i suggest you move your head |
| 14:26.20 | lcuk | or alter the position of the device ;) |
| 14:26.28 | cbx333 | I'm using headphones |
| 14:26.30 | cbx333 | :p |
| 14:26.46 | lcuk | ahhh lol dunno then |
| 14:26.49 | cbx333 | so neither of those suggestoins is valid :p |
| 14:26.51 | Jaffa | Stick a kniting needle in your left ear to compensate ;-p |
| 14:27.04 | lcuk | my missus is completely deaf in one ear - when things come on that are stereo it just goes completely quiet |
| 14:27.12 | lcuk | ouchy! |
| 14:27.45 | cbx333 | Jaffa: prefer not to resort to those levels |
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| 14:28.05 | cbx333 | what is the underlying audio subsystem on the n810? |
| 14:28.15 | lcuk | cbx333, if you could set it as a general default (with a script or something) then you can forget about it |
| 14:28.31 | lcuk | until you get annoyed putting wrong side headphone in each ear |
| 14:28.33 | cbx333 | lcuk: well that's what I'm trying to do |
| 14:28.37 | cbx333 | haha |
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| 14:29.19 | lcuk | all i know about the sound is there is esound interfaces, oooh and i hear theres an alsa? thing |
| 14:29.24 | lcuk | but im not up on linux audio |
| 14:30.15 | Jaffa | There must be a gstreamer thing, but I dunno if it's app wide |
| 14:30.19 | Jaffa | s/app/system/ |
| 14:30.20 | cbx333 | yeh |
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| 14:30.40 | qwerty12_N800 | cbx333: esd, but alsa programs to control volume work |
| 14:30.54 | cbx333 | is there alsa-mixer? |
| 14:31.25 | qwerty12_N800 | kotczarny had a binary up but his site is down... |
| 14:31.33 | lcuk | ping him |
| 14:31.48 | qwerty12_N800 | aumix has been compiled for maemo, it's in some repo somewhere |
| 14:32.04 | cbx333 | anyone here play freera? |
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| 14:47.21 | lopz | hi |
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| 14:59.28 | Stskeeps | Macer: through customs now |
| 15:00.00 | Stskeeps | will first get it in a week though, as im going to poland |
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| 15:49.14 | orifice_work | can I user a usercontent.css in tear ? Where would it go ? |
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| 15:54.10 | orifice_work | nm. its in ~/.tear/userstyles.css |
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| 15:56.23 | qwerty12 | X-Fade: Is there a point to me receiving "page #* has been commented by _anonymous_"? Seeing as anonymous users can't comment... |
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| 15:56.59 | lcuk | qwerty12, they can rate tho |
| 15:57.16 | lcuk | the notice is wrong, but its sent when someone changes your record |
| 15:57.18 | qwerty12 | Why would I want an email notification fora rating? |
| 15:57.23 | qwerty12 | s/fora/for a/ |
| 15:57.26 | lcuk | i like it :$ |
| 15:57.35 | lcuk | what i dont like is the spoofing if it comes from a regular user |
| 15:57.57 | lcuk | (ie if I rate your thingy you will get an email directly from me saying i did - but i didnt send it |
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| 16:11.55 | Macer | just broke up with my gf.. blah |
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| 16:13.31 | Jaffa | Macer: doh :( |
| 16:16.38 | Macer | heh. it's ok. it was a long time coming |
| 16:16.47 | Macer | i just put it off for a while |
| 16:16.58 | lcuk | :( thats a bit shit |
| 16:17.29 | Macer | oh i'm not too broken up over it.. it sucks a bit.. but not too bad |
| 16:17.48 | Macer | shit happens |
| 16:17.54 | neatojones | I once dated a girl way too long |
| 16:18.06 | neatojones | I kept trying to break up with her, but she wouldn't let me |
| 16:18.24 | Macer | neatojones: yeah.. that seemed to be the same problem i just had |
| 16:18.39 | neatojones | Macer: And then she still wouldn't quit calling me. |
| 16:18.39 | Macer | i tried to break up with her like 10 times already |
| 16:18.45 | neatojones | led to a mess |
| 16:18.52 | Macer | hahhaha |
| 16:19.03 | neatojones | and then she got engaged to the guy that my sister liked about 2 months later |
| 16:19.04 | Macer | same here. she will start calling and calling and i just really want her to sort of fade away |
| 16:19.21 | neatojones | Glad I got off that boat. |
| 16:19.32 | neatojones | bummer Macer |
| 16:19.37 | neatojones | I feel your pain. |
| 16:19.47 | Macer | i mean i care for the girl but we seriously want way different things |
| 16:20.04 | Macer | and i finally got fed up and told her that i just really don't want to do it anymore and good bye |
| 16:20.56 | neatojones | My brother always said, "A day without women is like a day without rain." |
| 16:21.05 | Macer | no. women are great |
| 16:21.12 | Macer | you just have to find the right one which is near impossible :) |
| 16:21.24 | neatojones | You need rain to make things grow and stay exciting. |
| 16:21.38 | neatojones | but, then again, they can get to keep you from other things you enjoy |
| 16:21.43 | thux | no woman no cry (b. marley) |
| 16:21.53 | Macer | thux: haha |
| 16:22.05 | Macer | thux: i still don't know wtf he was singing about in that song |
| 16:22.12 | neatojones | Well, I'm married. So, it isn't impossible. |
| 16:22.15 | Macer | like.. .the rest of the song doesn't really have to do with women |
| 16:22.26 | Macer | neatojones: you mean you are married *now* |
| 16:22.27 | Macer | :) |
| 16:22.28 | neatojones | Just gotta figure out what crap you can deal with for the rest of your life Since no one's perfect |
| 16:22.48 | Macer | statistically you will get a divorce |
| 16:22.51 | neatojones | Macer: Yep. Still. |
| 16:23.22 | neatojones | Yeah. I keep telling her I'm going to trade her in for a new model* in a few years |
| 16:23.32 | neatojones | literally...a model |
| 16:23.37 | neatojones | :P |
| 16:23.50 | Macer | hah |
| 16:23.57 | Macer | ah well.. going to finish cleaning and take a nap |
| 16:24.01 | Macer | ttyl |
| 16:24.03 | neatojones | later |
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| 17:03.49 | lcuk | its the weekend \o/ |
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| 17:04.53 | Jaffa | Not quite :-( |
| 17:05.32 | qwerty12 | gives Jaffa a "Get out of work free card" |
| 17:09.05 | neatojones | Hey everyone.... go post your predictions: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28351 |
| 17:10.08 | neatojones | qwerty12: What the heck? |
| 17:10.26 | qwerty12 | Wut? It may be... |
| 17:10.41 | qwerty12 | Unless my crystal ball is messing me around... |
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| 17:12.19 | neatojones | I know some people are upset about the wait...but comparing Nokia to Satan goes a little far... |
| 17:12.21 | neatojones | :) |
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| 17:15.48 | qwerty12 | I guess I'm not gonna win :( |
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| 17:24.59 | RST38h | amputates qwerty12's crystal ball |
| 17:25.11 | qwerty12 | NOOO |
| 17:25.41 | lcuk | lol RST38h dont remove his ball, its the only one hes got left |
| 17:25.49 | RST38h | In a piece of brighter news, Nokia Download! has changed its managing entity and they now clearly denote which apps are real free and which ones are crippleware (99% of 'em) |
| 17:26.40 | RST38h | gives qwerty12 his ball back |
| 17:26.47 | qwerty12 | Thanks |
| 17:27.23 | lcuk | neatojones, i would prefer to wait and have a decent experience than rush and get it wrong |
| 17:28.08 | neatojones | lcuk: I agree with that. |
| 17:28.29 | RST38h | lcuk: Guess what? You will get both! |
| 17:28.46 | RST38h | lcuk: You will have to wait and then they will get it all wrong anyway :) |
| 17:29.04 | lcuk | RST38h, im already happy with my current device, high expectations for what ill manage with the new one, but im not at the behest of others code personally :) |
| 17:29.32 | RST38h | lcuk: Think Modest. Think Clutter. Think Tracker. Think huge green icons on the black background and dialogs missing "close" button. |
| 17:30.25 | RST38h | lcuk: Same here, pretty much |
| 17:30.42 | lcuk | RST38h, i have huge black backgrounds and no close buttons now |
| 17:30.50 | RST38h | 'll still be fun to find out how exactly they will screw up this time though. |
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| 17:31.14 | lcuk | i hate to think of it as screwing up |
| 17:31.18 | neatojones | I chose May 11 because it's my birthday |
| 17:31.25 | neatojones | not because I think that's gonna be the day :) |
| 17:31.47 | neatojones | and July 3rd is the day before the US independence day. |
| 17:31.48 | RST38h | lcuk: "Every existing user hates it and every new user does not get it" - that is a definition of a screw up |
| 17:32.03 | RST38h | lcuk: If they get at least ONE of these right, they have got a [partial] success |
| 17:33.45 | lcuk | i fail to see how collectively it could be so wrong, we havent seen it all and hence unfair assessment |
| 17:34.39 | neatojones | Yeah. It's kind of like seeing an axle and saying it would never work without seeing the wheels mounted |
| 17:34.46 | lcuk | what we have seen is that the clothes dont quite fit with existing applications |
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| 17:35.10 | lcuk | but that doesnt mean that apps written with the UI spec in mind will also look and feel wrong |
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| 17:40.09 | RST38h | lcuk: Just a few things have to be wrong for the whole thing to be unbearable |
| 17:40.48 | RST38h | lcuk; Like: slow/unstable web browser + broken mail client + background indexing permanently wasting cpu |
| 17:41.27 | RST38h | lcuk: tablet is not a pc, it does not have that much 3rd party software and only has a few usage scenarios. Break these - and you have got an epic fail |
| 17:41.35 | lcuk | but this is linux. we are in charge of our own destiny, if the device does not suit your personal tastes you can cure it |
| 17:42.06 | RST38h | lcuk: tablet being "linux" matters to a miniscule group of people |
| 17:42.15 | lcuk | you are one of them :) |
| 17:42.21 | RST38h | lcuk: not really |
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| 17:42.41 | lcuk | you are here and your software makes up a part of the ecosystem |
| 17:42.51 | RST38h | lcuk: I want tablet to work. If it lets me tweak a few things (being linux), that is a huge plus, but the first thign I want is that it works |
| 17:43.24 | RST38h | lcuk: My software makes up parts of Windows, Symbian, Win Mobile, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Solaris, and even MSDOS ecosystems |
| 17:43.40 | RST38h | lcuk: Hell, I have even got a few things written for AmigaOS |
| 17:43.46 | lcuk | heh |
| 17:44.15 | RST38h | lcuk: So, in a bigger picture of things, Maemo is just one platform, albeit a pretty nice one |
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| 17:46.14 | lcuk | you do make a good point, and im also hopeful its gonna be excellent. i personally think that this is part of the hibernation |
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| 17:47.27 | RST38h | lcuk <-- is talking like an American |
| 17:47.46 | lcuk | :O |
| 17:48.06 | lcuk | i am northern @/ |
| 17:48.20 | RST38h | Does it matter THAT MUCH in UK? =) |
| 17:48.28 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 17:48.30 | crashanddie | lol |
| 17:48.39 | crashanddie | people struggle to understand him |
| 17:48.46 | RST38h | vaguely remembers that there is Ireland at the North of UK and the Irish are about as morbid pessimists as Russians |
| 17:48.53 | lcuk | my nokia has to hang around my neck and give subtitles |
| 17:48.56 | crashanddie | RST38h, lmao |
| 17:49.02 | crashanddie | RST38h, ireland is west of uk |
| 17:49.05 | crashanddie | RST38h, and not part of it |
| 17:49.12 | crashanddie | RST38h, you're confused with scotland |
| 17:49.29 | lcuk | apart from some bit of northern ireland |
| 17:49.31 | RST38h | crash: not part of it politically, but I guess they can...mm....walk? :) |
| 17:49.56 | crashanddie | RST38h, irish people can fuck off for all I care, they're part of europe and the shengen area, we're not. |
| 17:49.57 | RST38h | Ah no they can't |
| 17:49.59 | lcuk | would get a bit soggy, theres a big sea in between england and ireland |
| 17:50.18 | RST38h | is real bad on geography it seems |
| 17:50.35 | crashanddie | it would appear so |
| 17:50.57 | lcuk | but your assessment of those from the extreme north (scotland) was spot on! |
| 17:51.06 | RST38h | Heh |
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| 17:51.10 | lcuk | i put it down to the weather |
| 17:51.24 | crashanddie | it's like the slashdot post "it would seem the world is having an extraterrestial issue with its northern neighbour -- canada"... erhm, sorry? By world you mean USA? Right |
| 17:51.43 | RST38h | crashanddie: I am not THAT bad with geography :) |
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| 17:51.49 | crashanddie | lcuk, 12k :) |
| 17:52.04 | RST38h | crashanddie: Just haven't looked at British Islands map closely in a long while |
| 17:52.10 | lcuk | for bossing some PFYs around? |
| 17:52.29 | crashanddie | lcuk, pfy? Youngest is 31 :D |
| 17:52.36 | lcuk | lol |
| 17:52.43 | crashanddie | I think |
| 17:52.44 | crashanddie | didn't check |
| 17:53.08 | RST38h | lcuk: It is either weather or a multicentury streak of bad luck :) |
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| 17:53.22 | crashanddie | RST38h, haven't looked at a map of the US in a long time, still know that new york is on the right hand side, and hawaii is not attached to it |
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| 17:54.35 | lcuk | k, im vanishing |
| 17:55.57 | RST38h | crashanddie: I bet you won't be able to say if Alabama has ocean access without looking at the map though =) |
| 17:56.14 | crashanddie | i'd say it doesn['t |
| 17:56.21 | crashanddie | but am probably wrong |
| 17:56.35 | RST38h | crashanddie: yep, but I wouldn't be able to tell it either |
| 17:59.21 | lcuk | google trends just showed a spike, alabama tourist board are doing cartwheels |
| 18:01.36 | RST38h | yea, cleaning oil spills away with their hands ASAP =) |
| 18:02.52 | suihkulokki | looking at the map, "does alabama have ocean access" looks like a trick question :) |
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| 18:36.03 | Khertan1 | Hello ! |
| 18:36.16 | Khertan1 | ouais et toi ? |
| 18:36.19 | Khertan1 | oups ww |
| 18:36.52 | Khertan1 | someone have already use python-xlib ? |
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| 18:45.36 | Khertan1 | trying to run one of the xlib example code i got an error : XLib.xauth: warning no xauthority details available |
| 18:45.47 | Khertan1 | someone could explain me what it s mean ? |
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| 18:47.44 | qwerty12_N800 | oh, it expects an .Xauthority file but Maemo doesn't have one so I made it generate an empty one (if it doesn't exist). It can be ignored safely |
| 18:48.01 | qwerty12_N800 | s/have one/have xauth/ |
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| 18:50.06 | Khertan1 | oh thanks |
| 18:50.22 | Khertan1 | and what does this file contain ? |
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| 18:52.08 | qwerty12_N800 | usually xauthority data but the one generated is blank |
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| 18:53.00 | Khertan1 | i see on a google cache on a mailing a high level gui toolkit base on python-xlib |
| 18:53.13 | Khertan1 | but the link is to the forum post is dead |
| 18:53.30 | Khertan1 | did you know something like that ? |
| 18:55.05 | qwerty12_N800 | No, I wanted to use it for a different, more simpler purpose (setting the name of another app) but I failed in that purpose |
| 18:55.35 | Khertan1 | :) |
| 18:55.46 | Khertan1 | i looking for a simple thing |
| 18:55.51 | Khertan1 | a text box |
| 18:55.54 | Khertan1 | a checkbox |
| 18:56.00 | Khertan1 | label and button :) |
| 18:56.04 | Khertan1 | nothing complex |
| 18:56.19 | Khertan1 | to do a fast ui for an apps |
| 18:56.23 | Khertan1 | just a test |
| 18:56.33 | Khertan1 | as i m not very happy in fact with gtk |
| 18:56.42 | Khertan1 | at least for a tablet |
| 18:56.54 | Khertan1 | this is not designed to be use on small device |
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| 18:58.34 | Khertan1 | lol : http://blackwm.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:59.03 | crashanddie | Khertan1, YOU HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT! |
| 19:01.18 | Khertan1 | crashanddie: haha |
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| 19:01.52 | Khertan1 | crashanddie: and from what i ve see ... qt isn't not better |
| 19:02.03 | crashanddie | so qt is better? |
| 19:02.08 | lcuk | Khertan1, the problem is lower than gtk on this device |
| 19:02.46 | lcuk | crash qt has same issues, khertan1, have you tried simply changing your theme to something minimalistic and styleless |
| 19:02.58 | Khertan1 | lcuk ... nope |
| 19:03.10 | Khertan1 | i ven't found any minimalistic theme |
| 19:03.19 | lcuk | it was an idea i had originally |
| 19:03.33 | lcuk | part of the problem is the amount of drawing ops - removing them should help |
| 19:03.35 | Khertan1 | i more thinking of doing my own GUI Toolkit ... |
| 19:03.55 | lcuk | come help with mine - the source is on .git server :) |
| 19:03.56 | Khertan1 | done with line, point and line |
| 19:04.15 | Khertan1 | the problem of yours is that ... i can't use it with python |
| 19:04.16 | Khertan1 | :) |
| 19:04.31 | lcuk | yeah i know |
| 19:04.36 | lcuk | but i do my building on device |
| 19:04.40 | lcuk | just like you :) |
| 19:04.48 | Khertan1 | and the other problem is that it s seems i'm not enough competent to do the binding myself :) |
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| 19:06.03 | lcuk | hopefully that shouldnt take long - the library is solidifying nicely, im just building the ui components piece by piece now |
| 19:06.17 | lcuk | making sure i can use them all as expected |
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| 19:07.28 | lcuk | Khertan1, ill keep my eye out for python people who might have a go at making a binding :) |
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| 19:09.13 | fireun | "snake people" |
| 19:09.23 | lcuk | o_O |
| 19:09.50 | Khertan1 | lcuk great |
| 19:10.59 | lcuk | hows dayjob comin on? |
| 19:11.04 | Khertan1 | what widget did you have already implemented in the superliqbase toolkit |
| 19:11.10 | Khertan1 | ? |
| 19:11.20 | lcuk | hows your dayjob.. |
| 19:11.41 | Khertan1 | not so quite good ... |
| 19:12.00 | Khertan1 | i'm rewritting some poorly coded things |
| 19:12.09 | Khertan1 | which i should not rewrite |
| 19:12.32 | Khertan1 | in my dayjob i'm not suppose to do python things... |
| 19:12.51 | Khertan1 | but the middleware is coded in python ... and is clearly bugged |
| 19:13.39 | lcuk | err - a label, image, sketch, basic text editor, basic treeview (http://liqbase.net/liq.20090414_232105.lib.scr.png) toolbars (top and side) floating calendar ( http://liqbase.net/liq.20090413_153415.lib.scr.png ) and a bunch of other secret ones :) |
| 19:14.52 | Khertan1 | don't like the toolbar on top or left :) but it s a personnal choice :) |
| 19:15.31 | RST38h | lcuk: Have you got at least one finished app using liqbase? |
| 19:15.33 | lcuk | button style or fact its a toolbar? |
| 19:15.48 | lcuk | yes its released RST38h |
| 19:15.52 | lcuk | i told you i use it all the time |
| 19:16.36 | lcuk | i wouldv carried on writing stuffs in there, but it couldnt do what i needed, hence this rebuild |
| 19:16.48 | lcuk | hated the fact it was all mashed together |
| 19:16.52 | lcuk | coding wise |
| 19:16.54 | Khertan1 | :) |
| 19:17.13 | lcuk | so now everything is built external to the playground |
| 19:17.18 | lcuk | and can run on its own |
| 19:17.29 | lcuk | or can sit just as happily in the playground |
| 19:18.15 | RST38h | ok, is there an application deb? |
| 19:18.17 | Khertan1 | from my test doing some drawing in a gtk.DrawArea and an other test doing the same things with xlib |
| 19:18.20 | RST38h | and what does application do? |
| 19:18.33 | Khertan1 | it s clear that i ll not use any more gtk :) |
| 19:18.37 | lcuk | liqbase takes notes its in garage :) |
| 19:19.21 | qwerty12_N800 | Khertan1: you can't use the hildon input method with xlib (unless you do that xmessage stuff) :P |
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| 19:20.06 | lcuk | qwerty12_N800, do you remember the guy that did pyqt scroller |
| 19:20.14 | lcuk | Khertan1, have you tried pyqt |
| 19:20.34 | Khertan1 | qwerty12_N800 ... HO MY GOD ... NO HILDON INPUT ... arg |
| 19:20.59 | Khertan1 | lcuk: from what i ve see on my desktop computer ... i prefer to not install it on my nit |
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| 19:21.31 | lcuk | lbt, you got your qt kinetic vid handy? |
| 19:21.48 | lbt | yup |
| 19:21.51 | lcuk | Khertan1, its worth a try at the very least |
| 19:22.01 | lcuk | :) |
| 19:22.06 | lbt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TxAIScXQvk |
| 19:22.12 | lbt | (Qt, not Shopper) |
| 19:22.18 | Khertan1 | yeah yeah ... i should try. ... but only if there is python binding :) |
| 19:22.28 | RST38h | lcuk: Lemme reinstall... =) |
| 19:22.38 | qwerty12_N800 | Khertan1: yep, PyQt |
| 19:22.52 | Khertan1 | but using pyqt means learn qt |
| 19:23.02 | Khertan1 | and something i like with gtk ... it s glade |
| 19:23.06 | lbt | Khertan1: it's beyond you... |
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| 19:23.21 | lbt | Have you seen QtDesigner? |
| 19:23.26 | lbt | it runs on the tablet... |
| 19:23.35 | lbt | (course it's a bit cramped) |
| 19:24.01 | lcuk | i gather david you can take something designed on desktop and copied over |
| 19:24.21 | lbt | gnuton got QtDesigner to work on the desktop and make tablet apps |
| 19:24.34 | lbt | so yes |
| 19:24.51 | lbt | I mean, it's trivial to do normally |
| 19:24.52 | lcuk | good |
| 19:25.00 | lbt | I think he did something extra |
| 19:26.28 | lcuk | have you had confirmation of your bug by the way |
| 19:26.37 | lcuk | or has it just sat idle |
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| 19:26.56 | lbt | We have read your email but require more time to deal with it. We have |
| 19:26.58 | lbt | assigned it the issue number #251527. Please use this number if you email |
| 19:27.19 | Khertan1 | lbt: don t know that qtdesigner run on a tablet |
| 19:27.28 | Khertan1 | but it could be interesting |
| 19:27.33 | lbt | want a screenshot? |
| 19:27.40 | lcuk | i do! |
| 19:27.41 | lbt | it's not usable :) |
| 19:27.49 | Khertan1 | :( |
| 19:27.56 | Khertan1 | glade is useable on a nit |
| 19:27.57 | Khertan1 | :) |
| 19:27.57 | lbt | the design area is about 2mm^2 |
| 19:27.59 | lcuk | it could be hacked to usability couldnt it |
| 19:28.15 | lbt | nah - it's a real-estate issue |
| 19:28.21 | lcuk | lets see pic |
| 19:28.25 | lcuk | heh |
| 19:28.31 | lcuk | pics or it didn't happen! |
| 19:28.42 | lbt | hold on, let me just install it on Mer |
| 19:28.58 | Khertan1 | ah you mean on mer :( |
| 19:29.08 | Khertan1 | can't really use it yet |
| 19:29.14 | lbt | no, I'm booted into Met |
| 19:29.16 | lbt | Mer |
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| 19:29.18 | Khertan1 | ha :) |
| 19:29.26 | lbt | so it's quicker to install/snap than reboot |
| 19:29.42 | lbt | OK, Mer has a bigger screen but... |
| 19:29.53 | lcuk | lbt, you are such a good advocate for qt :D |
| 19:30.02 | lbt | they should pay me |
| 19:30.08 | lbt | (or hire me) |
| 19:30.48 | lcuk | heh - when nokians install your shopper you could automatically add a secret entry |
| 19:30.51 | lcuk | "hire david" |
| 19:31.16 | Khertan1 | lol |
| 19:31.26 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk: or a license agreement in the preinst, eh? ;P |
| 19:31.27 | Khertan1 | i should do that too on my soft :) |
| 19:31.30 | lbt | undelete-able |
| 19:31.33 | lcuk | heh |
| 19:31.40 | lbt | ooh, nice qwerty12_N800 |
| 19:31.59 | lcuk | "by installing this software you agree to give lbt a job" |
| 19:31.59 | Khertan1 | the license agreement ... yep the thing that noone read |
| 19:32.11 | Khertan1 | quite good idea |
| 19:32.16 | qwerty12_N800 | lbt: I know :D (lcuk didn't think so :P) |
| 19:32.31 | lcuk | thats cos u called me a northerner \@/ |
| 19:32.40 | lcuk | .excuse me everyone. |
| 19:32.56 | lcuk | qwerty you fuckweasel! |
| 19:33.00 | lcuk | coughs |
| 19:33.18 | qwerty12_N800 | northern tosser. :P |
| 19:33.36 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:33.58 | lcuk | im goin codin anyway |
| 19:34.02 | lcuk | bbiab |
| 19:34.07 | lcuk | lbt, shout me if you get a photo |
| 19:34.44 | lbt | mutters that aptitude is slow with no memory! |
| 19:34.52 | Khertan1 | apt-get install python2.5-qt4* |
| 19:35.00 | Khertan1 | E: Not enough space available |
| 19:35.00 | Khertan1 | :( |
| 19:35.11 | qwerty12_N800 | lbt: real men use dselect |
| 19:36.03 | lbt | need to make the OBS repo a higer priority than ubuntu so I get the maemo Qt which has a lower version than the ubuntu one |
| 19:36.08 | Khertan1 | must go on |
| 19:36.18 | lbt | (this is a generic Mer issue too) |
| 19:36.18 | qwerty12_N800 | (and then are forced to tears) |
| 19:36.24 | Khertan1 | bye |
| 19:36.32 | fireun | real men compile from source after applying obscure patches |
| 19:36.58 | lbt | fireun: real men have their own build system |
| 19:37.00 | lbt | oh, wait... |
| 19:37.53 | Meiz_n810 | opens up wikipedia to see what are the specs of real men |
| 19:38.30 | qwerty12_N800 | google image it *cough* |
| 19:39.03 | lcuk | lol qwerty, you can't talk, its set as your homopage :P |
| 19:39.39 | qwerty12_N800 | shit, have you put spyware on my computer? :( |
| 19:40.32 | lcuk | heh i feel sorry for any poor bastard who does |
| 19:40.41 | qwerty12_N800 | I knew liqbase.x86 was too good to be true... |
| 19:41.02 | lcuk | liqbase.windows7.exe you mean |
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| 20:01.51 | cousinitt | hi all, i'm having trouble trying to install libqt4-dev from the extras repository (I do not have extras-devel activated) |
| 20:01.56 | cousinitt | I get: : Depends: libqt4-help (= 4.4.3-1maemo0) but it is not installable |
| 20:06.58 | cousinitt | no ideeas ? |
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| 20:09.33 | qwerty12_N800 | I'm pretty sure extras-devel has a higher version - I've got qt4.5, from extras-devel, installed here fine |
| 20:09.59 | cousinitt | but i have 4.4.3 on my tablet and I would like to compile using that |
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| 20:11.53 | qwerty12_N800 | Time to upgrade? apt is letting me install libqt4-dev fine |
| 20:12.30 | cousinitt | 4.5 worked for me too form extras-devel |
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| 20:25.34 | woglinde | hm the latest packages have some problems |
| 20:25.44 | woglinde | keyboard not working |
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| 21:13.49 | GuySoft | hey, is there a way to get a TiltStick for the soldering-challenged? |
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| 21:30.30 | woglinde | re pupnik |
| 21:30.37 | pupnik | i can't recall how to get the "abc" text input bar at the bottom to leave |
| 21:30.41 | pupnik | hallo |
| 21:30.48 | pupnik | i don't want it |
| 21:31.02 | pupnik | don't see it as an option in the 'settings' |
| 21:31.10 | qwerty12_N800 | shift + spacebar afaik |
| 21:31.19 | pupnik | anybody remember? |
| 21:31.20 | pupnik | woot |
| 21:31.23 | pupnik | that did it! |
| 21:32.21 | pupnik | mmm tear doesn't like video.google.com |
| 21:35.42 | pupnik | nice and fast tho |
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| 22:00.24 | locutus | ola |
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| 22:06.07 | locutus | i've been trying to find where things like iwconfig are in maemo/diablo, it seels the wireless-tools package is not in the repo, am i looking wrong or something? |
| 22:06.25 | woglinde | right |
| 22:06.25 | Jaffa | I think it's in the "tools" repo |
| 22:06.29 | Jaffa | (annoyingly) |
| 22:06.45 | woglinde | hm |
| 22:06.56 | woglinde | args |
| 22:07.47 | Jaffa | locutus: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/w/wireless-tools/ |
| 22:07.58 | locutus | thanks :) |
| 22:08.11 | Jaffa | goes to bed on a good deed :) |
| 22:08.31 | locutus | goodnight |
| 22:08.44 | woglinde | nite jaffa |
| 22:09.06 | qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa: unfortunatly, tools from that repo brought to extras do not bode well with ssu upgrades. tho' the way I see it, it may not be a problem anymore... |
| 22:10.40 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: Did you see the proposals on -developers for doing community-drive OS SSUs for diablo? |
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| 22:11.46 | locutus | heh |
| 22:11.50 | locutus | incompatible application package |
| 22:11.51 | locutus | weird |
| 22:12.04 | Jaffa | locutus: not really, not supposed to be end-user installable. As root use `dpkg -i' |
| 22:12.07 | qwerty12_N800 | Jaffa: a bit. Would be pretty cool - I use modified versions of the application manager and terminal as it is |
| 22:12.13 | locutus | Jaffa: yeah, was already doing that :) |
| 22:14.49 | locutus | wlan 0; no such device, ()!@*# |
| 22:15.45 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N800: yeah, but think of spreading the joy :-) |
| 22:16.12 | qwerty12_N800 | I do! :) |
| 22:17.54 | qwerty12_N800 | The app mgr I use can be found in qwerty12.maemobox.org/testing/testing and the xterm is on itt somewhere :) |
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| 22:18.05 | Jaffa | Anyway, *now* I'm off to bed; before I stay up late, not hacking or doing anything productive |
| 22:18.22 | qwerty12_N800 | *grin*, night Jaffa |
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| 22:32.18 | lcuk | if i want to pass all command line parameters given to a .sh script into an app run within the script, what incantation $% arg thing do i use? |
| 22:32.43 | qwerty12_N800 | $* |
| 22:32.58 | lcuk | with within my script if i just do: |
| 22:33.05 | lcuk | ./vworld $* |
| 22:33.20 | lcuk | on a line on its own it will work and pass all 3 params in? |
| 22:34.06 | qwerty12_N800 | yes |
| 22:34.25 | lcuk | excellent thanks once again qwerty12_N800 :D |
| 22:35.19 | locutus | the Maemo gui wont take hex passwords for WEP keys, right? |
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| 22:43.10 | b-man16 | wonders if he could enable ext4 filesystem support on his n800 |
| 22:46.34 | luke-jr_ | why? |
| 22:46.41 | luke-jr_ | even ext3 is a bad idea, supposedly |
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| 22:51.51 | b-man16 | luke-jr_: ext3 performs fine on the tablets :P |
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| 22:52.47 | b-man16 | prefers ext3 over ext2 anytime |
| 22:53.33 | b-man16 | it's more secure than ext2 |
| 22:54.56 | b-man16 | knows this from experience ;) |
| 22:55.41 | luke-jr | b-man16: not on flash |
| 22:56.07 | luke-jr | supposedly the flash remapping of blocks for wear evening counters the journal's effects |
| 22:59.00 | b-man16 | it's still more secure than ext2 on flash though :) |
| 22:59.41 | b-man16 | i've experienced more problems with an ext2 filesystem |
| 23:00.15 | derf | The word you're looking for is "reliable". |
| 23:00.20 | derf | ext2/3 has nothing to do with security. |
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| 23:10.20 | locutus | boo, no AMD64 love in the maemo-sdk? :-( |
| 23:12.34 | locutus | meh, i'll setup a i386 chroot tomorrow then |
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