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| 00:08.29 | dksaarth | whew |
| 00:08.42 | dksaarth | hacked a couple of scripts, and got my install tools to resume |
| 00:15.57 | zakkm | How big is Deblet? |
| 00:16.03 | zakkm | Filesize |
| 00:16.31 | zakkm | or easy debian ( prefer deblet though ) |
| 00:16.53 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on what you install. |
| 00:17.36 | zakkm | the base |
| 00:17.45 | zakkm | and what does it come with? |
| 00:17.56 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on what you install |
| 00:18.03 | zakkm | not counting browser , openoffice nothing |
| 00:18.05 | zakkm | the "install" deb? |
| 00:18.18 | GeneralAntilles | The .deb installs an installer |
| 00:18.28 | GeneralAntilles | Then you have a number of different options from there |
| 00:18.37 | GeneralAntilles | With a working DE, probably 400MB |
| 00:21.18 | zakkm | not DE |
| 00:21.24 | zakkm | before DE |
| 00:21.31 | zakkm | just base and X |
| 00:21.40 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe 250MB? |
| 00:21.46 | GeneralAntilles | It wont fit on the rootfs. |
| 00:21.48 | zakkm | oh sweet |
| 00:21.50 | zakkm | i can do that tonight |
| 00:21.53 | zakkm | yeah, i got a 4gb SDHC |
| 00:23.36 | zakkm | going to buy another either tomorrow, or this weekend ( get paid tomorrow ) |
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| 00:26.20 | zakkm | is kde358 PBv4 CODENAME ZELDA, any quick ? |
| 00:26.36 | zakkm | is it worth using to show a friend kde? |
| 00:28.19 | zakkm | how would i fix a broken APT , on maemo? |
| 00:28.44 | johnx | define "broken" |
| 00:28.57 | zakkm | i get a folder not found, in application manager log |
| 00:29.03 | zakkm | onesec ill write it down exactly |
| 00:30.17 | zakkm | apt-worker: can't remove /var/lib/dpkg/lock: not a directory , E: could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lkock - (20 not a directory ) E: unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 00:30.39 | zakkm | at one point it says |
| 00:31.17 | zakkm | error on line 1 char 1 , document was empty or contained only whitespace |
| 00:31.34 | zakkm | (/etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues <--- for last line ) |
| 00:36.44 | zakkm | I'm scared, i just rebooted my nokia |
| 00:36.47 | zakkm | and its all White |
| 00:36.51 | zakkm | like WSOD. |
| 00:37.09 | GeneralAntilles | N800s don't WSOD |
| 00:37.09 | johnx | n8x0 don't get WSOD |
| 00:37.14 | zakkm | i said like |
| 00:37.16 | zakkm | i didnt say it is |
| 00:37.17 | zakkm | -.- |
| 00:37.22 | zakkm | im just describing the situation |
| 00:37.25 | johnx | just trying to reassure you :) |
| 00:37.33 | zakkm | I know i am aware |
| 00:37.36 | zakkm | i had a wsod'd 770 |
| 00:37.44 | zakkm | i turned it off, turnedit on |
| 00:37.48 | zakkm | it said booting from mmc2 for agess |
| 00:37.52 | zakkm | so i took out battery |
| 00:37.53 | zakkm | put back in |
| 00:37.58 | zakkm | and its total white |
| 00:38.51 | zakkm | What should i do? :( |
| 00:39.04 | johnx | unplug power and batter |
| 00:39.20 | johnx | s/batter/battery/ |
| 00:39.53 | johnx | put in battery, then plug in the charger and boot to flash |
| 00:39.59 | zakkm | wait now its fine xd |
| 00:40.07 | zakkm | haha |
| 00:40.13 | johnx | if I had to guess I'd say there is some corruption on your sd card's fs |
| 00:40.15 | zakkm | sorry, got really scared :( |
| 00:40.22 | zakkm | i just bought it? |
| 00:40.23 | zakkm | lol |
| 00:40.25 | zakkm | its like 3 days old |
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| 00:40.53 | zakkm | what the, it said 8 days idle before in SD mode, now it says 10 days in flash mode ?;p |
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| 00:41.12 | zakkm | can my SD really take that much power consumption? |
| 00:41.17 | johnx | it said 8 days on a full charge? |
| 00:41.23 | zakkm | yeah |
| 00:41.25 | zakkm | no |
| 00:41.28 | zakkm | its not fully charged |
| 00:41.31 | zakkm | its close though |
| 00:41.42 | zakkm | but in flash now it says 10 days.. 10min ago in SD it said 8 days |
| 00:41.50 | zakkm | (flash cant read SD card) |
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| 00:42.44 | johnx | the battery charge meter isn't really accurate |
| 00:42.52 | disco_stu | lol |
| 00:42.54 | johnx | don't read too much into it |
| 00:42.56 | zakkm | its a A-DATA 4GB SDHC class 6, 22mb read / 10mb write |
| 00:43.07 | zakkm | im not |
| 00:43.11 | zakkm | but why would the meter raise |
| 00:43.21 | zakkm | yeah i think theres something wrong with my SD |
| 00:43.22 | johnx | because. it's. not. accurate. |
| 00:43.24 | zakkm | its not booting to it anymore |
| 00:43.31 | johnx | yes. the fs is corrupted |
| 00:43.35 | zakkm | its just stuck at "booting from mcc2 |
| 00:43.39 | zakkm | any uhh |
| 00:43.42 | zakkm | fsck? |
| 00:43.47 | johnx | exactly |
| 00:44.00 | zakkm | i take that a yes? |
| 00:44.01 | johnx | it's in e2fsprogs |
| 00:44.12 | johnx | yes, you should run fsck on the card from flash |
| 00:44.27 | zakkm | really |
| 00:44.34 | zakkm | thought fsck would call on e2fsprogs |
| 00:44.34 | johnx | yes, really |
| 00:44.36 | zakkm | not be in it? |
| 00:44.53 | johnx | e2fsprogs is a package, fsck is a command |
| 00:44.58 | johnx | BTW, if you get another card, don't buy ADATA |
| 00:45.03 | zakkm | lol |
| 00:45.03 | zakkm | why not |
| 00:45.05 | zakkm | it was cheap |
| 00:45.06 | johnx | my 4GB A-DATA just died too |
| 00:45.19 | johnx | I bet yours will be dead by the end of the month |
| 00:45.26 | zakkm | k i wont buy again |
| 00:45.29 | zakkm | im buying another 4gb |
| 00:45.35 | zakkm | whats the command do i put |
| 00:45.39 | l7 | johnx: how long did it last? |
| 00:45.39 | zakkm | im in flash now |
| 00:45.42 | zakkm | SD is "internal" |
| 00:45.49 | l7 | i've had my 8gb adata for about a year now with no problems |
| 00:45.53 | l7 | granted fairly light usage |
| 00:45.57 | zakkm | it was cheap and it had fast speeds |
| 00:45.59 | zakkm | -.- |
| 00:46.00 | johnx | l7, my 8GB is fine actually |
| 00:46.02 | johnx | l7, less than a couple days |
| 00:46.06 | zakkm | 4gb - $10.49 Canadian |
| 00:46.07 | l7 | whoa |
| 00:46.08 | zakkm | bought instore |
| 00:46.11 | l7 | weird |
| 00:46.13 | zakkm | seemed fast |
| 00:46.15 | johnx | zakkm, fsck -a /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 00:46.20 | zakkm | johnx: thanks |
| 00:46.26 | l7 | maybe the batches vary |
| 00:46.43 | johnx | maybe, but I bought mine in a pretty different location |
| 00:46.56 | l7 | where'd you get it? |
| 00:47.00 | l7 | i got mine from newegg |
| 00:47.03 | johnx | Japan |
| 00:47.04 | zakkm | fsck not found. |
| 00:47.05 | l7 | which is pretty standard |
| 00:47.07 | l7 | hrm |
| 00:47.07 | zakkm | omg |
| 00:47.10 | zakkm | i dont have a root program |
| 00:47.10 | johnx | zakkm, install e2fsprogs |
| 00:47.15 | zakkm | i have no wifi at home |
| 00:47.15 | johnx | ~rootsh |
| 00:47.16 | infobot | methinks rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ |
| 00:47.26 | zakkm | i know |
| 00:47.30 | zakkm | went through this about 7 hours ago |
| 00:47.33 | zakkm | trying to fix something else |
| 00:47.45 | l7 | rootsh is in the extra repo iirc |
| 00:47.48 | zakkm | k ill get the deb |
| 00:47.48 | l7 | extras |
| 00:47.52 | zakkm | i have no wifi. |
| 00:47.55 | l7 | ouch |
| 00:47.58 | johnx | I remember, I was there. I sent that before I saw you didn't have wifi |
| 00:48.00 | l7 | what did you do? |
| 00:48.06 | zakkm | waitt |
| 00:48.10 | zakkm | neighbor turned on wifi |
| 00:48.16 | zakkm | turns it on like 20min a day -.- |
| 00:48.23 | disco_stu | lol !! |
| 00:48.23 | l7 | heh |
| 00:48.24 | zakkm | oh ya |
| 00:48.28 | zakkm | gotta help me fix apt-get XD |
| 00:48.31 | l7 | you don't have your own wifi? |
| 00:48.41 | zakkm | no |
| 00:48.43 | zakkm | i thought we did |
| 00:48.48 | johnx | the apt-get problem is on flash? |
| 00:48.48 | zakkm | i only bought nokia less than a week ago mind you. |
| 00:48.52 | zakkm | no, |
| 00:48.54 | disco_stu | zakkm: dont you have a notebook ? |
| 00:48.55 | zakkm | ohh its in extras |
| 00:49.03 | zakkm | no |
| 00:49.07 | zakkm | im 17 years old |
| 00:49.09 | zakkm | i cant afford much |
| 00:49.22 | disco_stu | with a notebook you can share its wireless conection |
| 00:49.52 | johnx | zakkm, I know the feeling. :) |
| 00:50.02 | zakkm | k downloading roosh |
| 00:50.11 | zakkm | s/roosh/rootsh |
| 00:50.25 | disco_stu | i'm 23 and i still cant afford much :D |
| 00:50.34 | zakkm | damn i have to retype fsck |
| 00:51.23 | zakkm | ok its done |
| 00:51.39 | zakkm | checked clusters : 52554 ,,,,, /dev/mmcblk09p1: 92 files, 52554/61663 clusters |
| 00:52.00 | johnx | did it fix anything? |
| 00:52.06 | zakkm | i dont know, let me reboot |
| 00:52.10 | johnx | wait |
| 00:52.15 | zakkm | too late |
| 00:52.20 | zakkm | wait |
| 00:52.21 | zakkm | its off |
| 00:52.24 | johnx | is your card split into more than one partition? |
| 00:52.28 | zakkm | its uhh |
| 00:52.31 | zakkm | "clone to SD" deb |
| 00:52.34 | zakkm | install-deb |
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| 00:52.39 | zakkm | install-tools ? |
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| 00:52.45 | zakkm | penguinbait's |
| 00:53.11 | GeneralAntilles | Be nice if penguinbait had put together a wizard or something instead of those evil debs. |
| 00:53.30 | zakkm | i dont mind debs as long as they work :P |
| 00:53.37 | GeneralAntilles | They scare me. |
| 00:53.47 | johnx | ah well, once you're back in flash I'll help you figure out where everything's installed ... |
| 00:53.51 | zakkm | you can tar them, cant you? |
| 00:54.07 | zakkm | johnx: should i try boot from SD now? or boot into flash? |
| 00:54.12 | zakkm | fsck finished , nokia is off |
| 00:54.24 | johnx | you can try to boot from sd, but I think I told you to fsck the wrong parition |
| 00:54.39 | johnx | no harm done, but it probably didn't fix anything :) |
| 00:54.58 | zakkm | sounds like a gamble opprotunity here :D |
| 00:55.13 | johnx | BTW, if anyone wants to see what happened to my adata 3GB SDHC card after a month of use: http://pastebin.com/m90f608f |
| 00:55.23 | zakkm | 3gb card? |
| 00:55.25 | zakkm | i never heard of that |
| 00:55.34 | johnx | s/3GB/4GB/ |
| 00:55.40 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, no wonder it stopped working. :P |
| 00:55.57 | johnx | heh, I'd be happy if I could still use 3GB of it |
| 00:56.06 | zakkm | johnx: didnt help :P |
| 00:56.11 | GeneralAntilles | I should mock up a bootmenu control panel. . . . |
| 00:56.16 | disco_stu | with did it die ? |
| 00:56.39 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, like the mac os x one? |
| 00:56.42 | zakkm | generalantilles: add daemon add/remove support. |
| 00:56.44 | zakkm | :P |
| 00:56.53 | johnx | zakkm, that's already available |
| 00:56.55 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, they already have that. |
| 00:57.08 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, could be an option, how would you detect bootable partitions, though? |
| 00:57.13 | zakkm | really? |
| 00:57.23 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, easy, presence of /sbin/init |
| 00:57.27 | zakkm | i tried removing stuff , everything fucked up and i had to reflash |
| 00:57.28 | zakkm | -.- |
| 00:57.28 | johnx | no init = not bootable |
| 00:57.44 | zakkm | safe stuff lol |
| 00:57.48 | zakkm | i am an old gentoo user |
| 00:57.57 | zakkm | i removed bluetooth and stuff cause i dont have those -.- |
| 00:58.13 | zakkm | like ubuntu , why did they add it as default -.- |
| 00:58.23 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, actually, that's an interesting question (mostly because I don't know enough to know, not necessarily because it's actually interesting ;)), how automatic can we make the boot volume setup process? |
| 00:58.24 | zakkm | okay johnx: whats next? |
| 00:58.52 | johnx | zakkm, type this exactly: ls /dev/mmcblk0p? |
| 00:58.57 | johnx | type the ? too :) |
| 00:59.14 | zakkm | that would just see if theres files? |
| 00:59.19 | zakkm | you telling me my SD is broken? |
| 00:59.20 | zakkm | wtf |
| 00:59.30 | johnx | zakkm, just tell me the output |
| 00:59.44 | zakkm | typing, im slow |
| 00:59.59 | johnx | it tells you about the partitions available on that sd card |
| 01:00.03 | zakkm | 0p1 , 0p2 , 0p3 |
| 01:00.12 | zakkm | oh right, its /dev -.- |
| 01:01.20 | zakkm | johnx: ? |
| 01:01.25 | johnx | thinking... |
| 01:01.26 | johnx | ... |
| 01:01.32 | johnx | loading... |
| 01:01.32 | zakkm | oh, sorry. |
| 01:01.36 | zakkm | haha |
| 01:01.39 | zakkm | "buffering" |
| 01:01.47 | zakkm | my answer is buffering |
| 01:02.53 | johnx | sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 01:03.14 | johnx | ^just lists the size of partitions^ |
| 01:03.44 | zakkm | sfdisk not found |
| 01:04.00 | johnx | you need to be root |
| 01:04.05 | zakkm | oh sorry |
| 01:04.11 | zakkm | does rootsh let me do "sudo ___" |
| 01:04.33 | johnx | yes, I think so |
| 01:04.36 | johnx | sudo gainroot |
| 01:05.10 | disco_stu | johnx: i have a doubt |
| 01:05.19 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 01:05.20 | GeneralAntilles | sudser |
| 01:05.48 | johnx | hmm? I just typed sudo gainroot and it worked |
| 01:05.51 | zakkm | ah |
| 01:05.53 | zakkm | it looks right |
| 01:05.55 | disco_stu | my n800 is booting from its flash memory, and i'm running out of space to intsall new stuff, what can i do ? |
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| 01:06.10 | zakkm | it is right, i dont know what your looking for though |
| 01:06.30 | zakkm | disco_stu: dont install to SD , one day it will break and then your screwed like me :( |
| 01:06.31 | johnx | zakkm, I want to know which partition has your "boot from sd" filesystem |
| 01:06.49 | zakkm | my guess is p1 , its the samllest |
| 01:06.51 | zakkm | and the first |
| 01:06.54 | johnx | disco_stu, you can boot from sd but sometimes that runs into problems with crappy cards |
| 01:06.57 | zakkm | only fat16 |
| 01:07.04 | johnx | it's not p1 :) |
| 01:07.21 | zakkm | p3 = swap , p2 = linux ? |
| 01:07.21 | johnx | which one says it has a "Linux" fs on it? according to sfdisk |
| 01:07.22 | disco_stu | johnx: what can i do, i dont want to boot from sd |
| 01:07.26 | zakkm | p2 |
| 01:07.39 | johnx | disco_stu, delete some stuff to make room. how much space do you have left? |
| 01:07.46 | zakkm | disco_stu: you could clone, and then mount the SD , for installed programs ? |
| 01:07.48 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, thinking about it :) |
| 01:07.54 | zakkm | mount the SD to /var only ? |
| 01:07.56 | zakkm | or something |
| 01:08.09 | disco_stu | 10mb |
| 01:08.10 | zakkm | card in - all programs card out - not all programs |
| 01:08.15 | johnx | zakkm, so try fsck -a /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 01:08.33 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I was trying to find the right control panel to take a screenshot of for the base and got sidetracked by this insanity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp0-yDJAtWQ |
| 01:08.41 | zakkm | starting to wish i had a n810 -.- |
| 01:08.55 | johnx | disco_stu, did you delete and/or move the nokia manuals, pictures, music and video yet? |
| 01:09.20 | zakkm | johnx: it replied "clean" |
| 01:09.28 | zakkm | it didnt do anything. |
| 01:09.37 | disco_stu | johnx: yes |
| 01:10.02 | zakkm | disco_stu: open it up, replace the flash memory, clone it first though" |
| 01:10.02 | disco_stu | i also killed /var/cache/apt/* |
| 01:10.43 | zakkm | oh johnx |
| 01:10.54 | zakkm | i have mmc2 which is the fat partition i believe |
| 01:11.01 | zakkm | and playback from a vid on it is working fine |
| 01:11.11 | johnx | ok |
| 01:11.22 | johnx | that's not really related, but it's nice to hear I guess |
| 01:11.27 | zakkm | lol |
| 01:11.30 | zakkm | so its not p1 ? :P |
| 01:11.35 | johnx | try fsck -a -f /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 01:11.36 | zakkm | p2 = fsck says its clean |
| 01:11.40 | zakkm | okay |
| 01:12.27 | zakkm | k its running |
| 01:12.51 | zakkm | 0.6% non-contiguous |
| 01:12.53 | zakkm | its done |
| 01:13.10 | johnx | interesting |
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| 01:13.44 | zakkm | its just not booting, it doesnt seem corrupt in any way |
| 01:13.53 | zakkm | the bootloader is going fine , for instance |
| 01:14.04 | johnx | well, apt broke and then suddenly it doesn't boot. right? |
| 01:14.11 | zakkm | yeah |
| 01:14.23 | johnx | that's awfully suspicious, isn't it? |
| 01:14.38 | zakkm | yeah but all this fsck stuff seems like its okay |
| 01:14.47 | johnx | yeah, that has me confused too |
| 01:15.02 | zakkm | i dont know anything besides fsck |
| 01:15.17 | johnx | if it was me, I'd just backup anything I needed and reclone |
| 01:15.24 | johnx | but it's your choice of course |
| 01:15.29 | zakkm | last resort? |
| 01:16.09 | johnx | well, there's other stuff you can try if you want to learn a lot about linux |
| 01:16.25 | zakkm | i know linux, i just dont know the tablet |
| 01:16.42 | disco_stu | why is neccessary to make a swap partition |
| 01:16.48 | johnx | disco_stu, it isn't |
| 01:16.48 | zakkm | virtual memory. |
| 01:16.53 | disco_stu | the tablet creates a swap space |
| 01:16.53 | zakkm | "extra ram" |
| 01:17.02 | disco_stu | zakkm: i am an old linux user |
| 01:17.03 | zakkm | it restarts i believe, if it runs out? |
| 01:17.04 | disco_stu | :D |
| 01:17.15 | disco_stu | i know what is swap for |
| 01:17.18 | zakkm | boot from SD, swap partition? :P |
| 01:17.18 | johnx | zakkm, ok, then disable the boot screen and enable fbcon and try and see where it fails to boot |
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| 01:17.20 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, user-friendly English l10n for a bootmenu control panel? |
| 01:17.33 | zakkm | ew no |
| 01:17.36 | zakkm | ill backup lol |
| 01:17.40 | disco_stu | but i dont know why create a swap partition when the NIT is able to create swap space by herself |
| 01:17.49 | johnx | zakkm, if you know linux, it's not that hard :) |
| 01:17.52 | zakkm | lol |
| 01:18.00 | zakkm | but i already had a wsod nokia n770 after two weeks |
| 01:18.01 | zakkm | i cant risk it |
| 01:18.09 | zakkm | at least computer harddrives , are easily changed |
| 01:18.15 | zakkm | added to other pc, format.. etc |
| 01:18.18 | zakkm | if i fail |
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| 01:18.35 | zakkm | i just said i dont know the device. I dont know what it has and doesnt has |
| 01:18.38 | johnx | you can reflash if you mess up, but we're talking about messing with the fs on your sd card |
| 01:18.49 | zakkm | to me a bootloader is either grub, lilo, windows or mac |
| 01:19.05 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, Boot device? |
| 01:19.16 | johnx | startup device? |
| 01:19.19 | zakkm | yes but isnt the bootmenu on the flash? |
| 01:19.24 | zakkm | and it adds the sd entry? |
| 01:19.30 | GeneralAntilles | Apple uses Startup Disk |
| 01:19.43 | zakkm | I have Mac :) |
| 01:19.45 | johnx | zakkm, I guess I should say "diable the splash screen that shows up during boot" |
| 01:19.45 | GeneralAntilles | Startup Device probably works |
| 01:19.46 | zakkm | never going back XD |
| 01:20.12 | zakkm | fine ill backup |
| 01:20.23 | zakkm | is it worth dd'ing it onto my mac? and then dd'ing back ? |
| 01:20.33 | zakkm | or should i just save files, and format ? |
| 01:20.36 | zakkm | and reclone |
| 01:21.09 | zakkm | + |
| 01:21.13 | zakkm | johnx: so like verbose mode? |
| 01:21.29 | johnx | basically. it will show you the boot messages this way, like gentoo :) |
| 01:21.42 | zakkm | i boot mac osx in verbose mode tyvm :) |
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| 01:21.52 | GeneralAntilles | briefly contemplates putting together a series of PSD mock-up templates. |
| 01:22.02 | disco_stu | today i stole 15 mac addresses with mi nit |
| 01:22.03 | johnx | heh...I used to admin 50 Macs and never booted them in verbose mode :) |
| 01:22.30 | GeneralAntilles | I miss Open Firmware |
| 01:22.34 | zakkm | but i like seeing it go so fast :D |
| 01:22.49 | zakkm | im a speed addict, hence why i loved gentoo xd |
| 01:22.59 | zakkm | yes i know the whole "gentoo isnt faster than any other distro.. blahblahblah" |
| 01:23.07 | johnx | pictures disco_stu bludgeoning open computer cases with his nit and grabbing EPROMs off of network adapters |
| 01:23.36 | zakkm | okay, so am i dd'ing ? |
| 01:23.40 | zakkm | would that help? |
| 01:23.48 | johnx | probably not |
| 01:23.56 | zakkm | so its the partition to blame? |
| 01:24.04 | zakkm | dang, i installed so much |
| 01:24.09 | disco_stu | lol |
| 01:24.12 | zakkm | i only did it yesterday -.- |
| 01:24.22 | disco_stu | johnx: ettercap is my tool :) |
| 01:24.26 | johnx | well if you're already doing it let it finish |
| 01:24.48 | johnx | disco_stu, why are you "stealing" MAC addresses? O_o |
| 01:25.05 | johnx | zakkm, actually, at this point I have no idea. You might as well try dd'ing it back |
| 01:25.12 | disco_stu | johnx: because at college wifi is filetered by mac address |
| 01:25.30 | disco_stu | so i you want to see a vid in youtube you may get banned |
| 01:25.45 | zakkm | maybe that is why my skool internet doesnt work ? |
| 01:25.47 | zakkm | in some places |
| 01:25.49 | zakkm | mac filtering |
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| 01:26.02 | disco_stu | yes |
| 01:26.16 | disco_stu | you can easily get someones mac address and spoof it |
| 01:26.18 | zakkm | my school wifi doesnt work in like 25% of the places |
| 01:26.24 | zakkm | its weird though |
| 01:26.27 | zakkm | cause im in highschool |
| 01:26.42 | zakkm | i dont know though, i connect though |
| 01:26.43 | zakkm | but nothing works |
| 01:27.58 | zakkm | johnx: so im just backing up files and recloning? |
| 01:28.14 | zakkm | any chance i can backup installs too? |
| 01:28.20 | zakkm | mac can read ext2 |
| 01:28.47 | johnx | the answer is something like "not easily" |
| 01:28.52 | zakkm | ok |
| 01:28.57 | zakkm | i guess im reinstalling everything -.- |
| 01:29.03 | johnx | actually, hang on one sec |
| 01:29.13 | zakkm | what the |
| 01:29.17 | zakkm | folders became files? |
| 01:29.38 | zakkm | on my pc they're files... yesterday they were shown as folders |
| 01:29.44 | zakkm | "home" "etc" and all |
| 01:29.54 | zakkm | "home" "etc" "media" "tmp" |
| 01:30.19 | johnx | yeah, I think "something bad happened" |
| 01:30.23 | zakkm | okay |
| 01:30.27 | zakkm | i just lost all my files though |
| 01:30.30 | zakkm | cause i cant view "home" |
| 01:30.43 | zakkm | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.47 | zakkm | lol |
| 01:31.09 | johnx | can you open a terminal and run ls on that volume? |
| 01:31.26 | zakkm | on my mac? |
| 01:31.48 | johnx | yeah, that's fine |
| 01:32.10 | zakkm | it seems to want to view the fat partition? |
| 01:32.20 | disco_stu | johnx: how much space is needed to install kde on the nit ? |
| 01:32.34 | zakkm | Mac's "get info" declares the right avaliable and used tohugh |
| 01:32.36 | GeneralAntilles | 300MB? |
| 01:32.40 | zakkm | format : Ext2 File System |
| 01:32.46 | johnx | disco_stu, the info is on the kde page I think |
| 01:32.49 | zakkm | kde3 or kde4? :P |
| 01:32.53 | zakkm | how bad is kde4 |
| 01:33.08 | zakkm | i mean 400mhz arm9, 128mb ram .. seems like it would do kde4 reallyyyy bad |
| 01:33.35 | zakkm | ah its okay |
| 01:33.37 | zakkm | ill just format it all |
| 01:33.47 | GeneralAntilles | ARM11 |
| 01:33.58 | zakkm | whatever :P |
| 01:34.45 | zakkm | though its been long since i used kde4, supposely it got faster |
| 01:35.17 | zakkm | unable to connect via USB, no memory card inserted |
| 01:35.26 | zakkm | :( |
| 01:36.05 | zakkm | did anyone port gparted? :D |
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| 01:38.32 | zakkm | time to clone :D |
| 01:47.48 | zakkm | johnx: cloned, now reinstalling everything :( |
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| 01:57.10 | disco_stu | zakkm: what did you do ? |
| 01:57.21 | disco_stu | clone the filesystem to the sd ? |
| 01:57.31 | zakkm | yes |
| 01:57.34 | disco_stu | what for ? |
| 01:57.38 | zakkm | i have a 4gb card |
| 01:57.41 | zakkm | i need 4gb of apps |
| 01:57.45 | zakkm | the flash is too little space |
| 01:57.50 | zakkm | and SD is faster |
| 01:57.53 | zakkm | than normal flash |
| 01:58.07 | disco_stu | in what slot you use the card ? |
| 01:58.15 | zakkm | internal |
| 01:58.40 | disco_stu | when you clone, you can still boot with the internal flash ? |
| 01:58.45 | zakkm | yes |
| 01:58.46 | zakkm | dualboots |
| 01:58.59 | zakkm | theres a dualboot menu when you turn it on |
| 01:59.11 | disco_stu | i think i'm going to flash my sd with ext3 |
| 01:59.13 | zakkm | first = flash, second = internal SD, 3rd = removable slot .. |
| 01:59.20 | disco_stu | and symlink apps to that place |
| 01:59.25 | zakkm | ext3 takes more cycles. |
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| 01:59.27 | zakkm | its journaled |
| 01:59.37 | disco_stu | ok, ext2 |
| 01:59.48 | zakkm | no just saying thats why i think they dont use it |
| 01:59.55 | zakkm | so the SD lasts longer |
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| 02:12.29 | zakkm | How is rtorrent for the nokia? |
| 02:13.22 | GeneralAntilles | Just use Transmission? |
| 02:14.03 | zakkm | i was thinking cpu usage |
| 02:14.09 | zakkm | wouldnt it be lower? |
| 02:14.27 | zakkm | just want to broaden my nokia app usage :P |
| 02:20.52 | zakkm | is there a way to see repositories on my pc and then download and do some sort of "install all" ? |
| 02:20.54 | zakkm | easily. |
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| 02:21.52 | disco_stu | zakkm: you can download debs |
| 02:21.56 | disco_stu | and the with the tablet |
| 02:22.05 | disco_stu | dpkg -i *.deb |
| 02:24.21 | zakkm | uh, is the bluetooth daemon safe to remove? |
| 02:24.45 | disco_stu | dont u use bluetooth ? |
| 02:24.48 | zakkm | no |
| 02:24.52 | zakkm | i have nothing bluetooth |
| 02:24.55 | zakkm | im only 17 -.- |
| 02:25.05 | disco_stu | dont u have friends ? |
| 02:25.08 | l7 | so is the n900 coming soon? |
| 02:25.20 | zakkm | why would i need bluetooth for friends? |
| 02:25.23 | zakkm | ? |
| 02:25.44 | l7 | maybe "do you have geek friends"? |
| 02:26.11 | zakkm | yes but i never necessary need a file from them that urgently? |
| 02:26.21 | l7 | i dunno |
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| 02:26.30 | zakkm | I was also aware that the bluetotoh on it was just for keyboards/headsets i thought |
| 02:26.42 | zakkm | no 17 year old uses bluetooth here -.- |
| 02:26.47 | l7 | bluetooth on cell phones is handy for "beaming" address cards around |
| 02:26.57 | disco_stu | zakkm: where do u live, stone age ? |
| 02:27.02 | zakkm | Toronto, ON |
| 02:27.10 | l7 | not sure how to do it on maemo though |
| 02:27.29 | disco_stu | canadian boy |
| 02:27.38 | zakkm | toronto boy. |
| 02:27.55 | johnx | zakkm, it won't save you any memory or CPU time |
| 02:28.01 | johnx | just turn off bt in the control panel |
| 02:28.13 | zakkm | oh |
| 02:28.19 | zakkm | i was looking at memory usage |
| 02:28.21 | zakkm | not cpu |
| 02:28.37 | zakkm | it is off in control panel, always has been |
| 02:28.52 | l7 | how much memory does it use? |
| 02:28.52 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, what columns do you want for the control panel? |
| 02:29.01 | zakkm | johnx: trying to redownload everything currently ;p |
| 02:29.07 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, columns? |
| 02:29.08 | GeneralAntilles | I've got an icon, a name, a device |
| 02:29.23 | GeneralAntilles | s/ a//g |
| 02:29.32 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: what you making? |
| 02:29.37 | zakkm | what for* |
| 02:29.42 | GeneralAntilles | Mockup of a bootmenu control panel. |
| 02:30.04 | zakkm | oh |
| 02:30.22 | disco_stu | zakkm: how much did you pay yout nit ? |
| 02:30.25 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, how about: icon | name | partition | full-device-name |
| 02:30.33 | zakkm | $145 cash. |
| 02:30.43 | disco_stu | us dollars ? |
| 02:30.47 | zakkm | Canadian |
| 02:30.57 | zakkm | im in Canada, why would i pay US dollars? |
| 02:31.08 | zakkm | :P |
| 02:31.15 | disco_stu | baby i want to know to convert it to my local money |
| 02:31.17 | disco_stu | doh |
| 02:31.20 | zakkm | disco_stu: canadian boy |
| 02:31.24 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, so: [ ] | Internal SD/MMC | First Partition | mmcblk0p1 |
| 02:31.30 | zakkm | why you say US then? ;p |
| 02:31.57 | disco_stu | zakkm: are you retard ? |
| 02:31.59 | disco_stu | lol |
| 02:32.10 | zakkm | why not just say , Canadian Dollars? |
| 02:32.25 | disco_stu | because in my country the dont exist |
| 02:32.38 | disco_stu | we use us dollars for foreign expenses |
| 02:32.46 | zakkm | what country? |
| 02:32.49 | disco_stu | Arg |
| 02:33.02 | zakkm | cool :) |
| 02:33.17 | GeneralAntilles | Arg |
| 02:33.25 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like quite a country Mr. Lazy Typist. :P |
| 02:33.26 | zakkm | 145 Canadian dollars = 124.25021 U.S. dollars |
| 02:33.47 | zakkm | I paid $124.25 USD for my Nokia N800 |
| 02:33.47 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: ¬¬ |
| 02:33.54 | disco_stu | 124 lucky boy |
| 02:34.06 | disco_stu | i payed 330 us dollars for mine |
| 02:34.06 | zakkm | im a good shopper -.- |
| 02:34.37 | disco_stu | but.. everythings is that way here in latin america |
| 02:36.11 | zakkm | are maemo.org "downloads" ... all in repositories? |
| 02:37.06 | disco_stu | no |
| 02:37.15 | disco_stu | my app is not in the repos |
| 02:37.22 | disco_stu | but it is in maemo.org |
| 02:37.49 | zakkm | i want to try and fill up on small apps :D |
| 02:38.25 | disco_stu | i want to make some free space in my flash memory |
| 02:38.31 | disco_stu | but dont know where to start |
| 02:38.41 | zakkm | the tablet turned on :D |
| 02:38.41 | l7 | start with the pronz |
| 02:38.49 | l7 | :D |
| 02:38.54 | disco_stu | pronz ¡ |
| 02:38.55 | disco_stu | ? |
| 02:38.58 | disco_stu | whats that ? |
| 02:39.13 | l7 | er |
| 02:39.20 | l7 | something a friend of mine uses |
| 02:39.23 | l7 | no idea really |
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| 02:40.00 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/boot-menu-ctrl-panel-mockup.png |
| 02:40.42 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: what is deblet ? |
| 02:40.54 | johnx | ~deblet |
| 02:40.54 | infobot | from memory, deblet is http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet |
| 02:40.55 | GeneralAntilles | http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet |
| 02:41.24 | zakkm | ;o johnx: your a main developer? |
| 02:41.26 | GeneralAntilles | Alternatively, an elated 37-year-old female from Oakland: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=39275800 |
| 02:41.34 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I don't know if we really have a concept of "boot order". Maybe just a radio button for "default" |
| 02:42.35 | disco_stu | i should be on that list |
| 02:42.36 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 02:42.40 | GeneralAntilles | Where do we have a radio button? |
| 02:43.16 | johnx | hmm? I mean add a radio button to the list beside the logo |
| 02:43.43 | johnx | so: default | icon | name | partition | (device if we have room) |
| 02:43.45 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I got that, but where do we have a radio button in Maemo I can grab a screenshot of? |
| 02:44.03 | johnx | connection wizard |
| 02:44.11 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. |
| 02:44.23 | johnx | took a while for me to remember |
| 02:45.34 | GeneralAntilles | I need Edit and Delete buttons in there, too. |
| 02:46.21 | disco_stu | wow deblet is awesome |
| 02:46.29 | disco_stu | i dont know how it was missing it |
| 02:46.38 | disco_stu | s/it/i/ |
| 02:47.52 | disco_stu | i need more details |
| 02:47.58 | disco_stu | how much space is needed ? |
| 02:50.41 | zakkm | disco_stu: 250mb apparantly + DE/WM |
| 02:53.29 | zakkm | what the |
| 02:53.34 | disco_stu | what ? |
| 02:53.34 | zakkm | Maemo.org homepage |
| 02:53.36 | zakkm | "google gadgets" |
| 02:53.36 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/boot-menu-ctrl-panel-mockup.png |
| 02:53.43 | zakkm | whats google gadgets on maemo? |
| 02:53.50 | zakkm | http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog/2008/11/05/google-gadgers-for-maemo |
| 02:53.54 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, read the blog post? |
| 02:54.22 | zakkm | oh, just a mockup? |
| 02:54.23 | zakkm | not complete |
| 02:54.57 | GeneralAntilles | Mine is just a mockup, Kate's Gadgets are not. |
| 02:55.36 | ryoohki | GeneralAntilles: |
| 02:55.53 | ryoohki | GeneralAntilles: have you ever had video skype running on the n800? |
| 02:55.59 | GeneralAntilles | I don't do Skype. |
| 02:56.07 | zakkm | video skype works? |
| 02:56.09 | ryoohki | GeneralAntilles: it should run the same on the n810 |
| 02:56.11 | zakkm | video chat works on skype? |
| 02:56.42 | disco_stu | no |
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| 02:57.30 | ryoohki | zakkm: yes - works fine on the n800 - starts up when ever you pop out the camera - i wish they would come out with a two camera n8x0 - on in the middle top of the screen for video chat and one that pops out on the side for video recording |
| 02:57.43 | ryoohki | disco_stu: works on my n800 |
| 02:58.37 | GeneralAntilles | Skype does not support video on the tablets |
| 02:58.45 | GeneralAntilles | You're thinking either of the built-in client or Gizmo. |
| 02:58.51 | zakkm | roohki: thats google talk, not skype. |
| 02:59.21 | zakkm | ryoohki: |
| 03:00.20 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: is a 2gb sd card enough to try deblet ? |
| 03:00.27 | disco_stu | y have one without use |
| 03:00.28 | GeneralAntilles | Sure |
| 03:00.56 | disco_stu | how much is it taking ? |
| 03:01.33 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on what you install. |
| 03:01.43 | disco_stu | i know |
| 03:01.47 | disco_stu | but the plain install |
| 03:01.48 | GeneralAntilles | Call it 400-1GB |
| 03:01.57 | disco_stu | with xfce and some apps |
| 03:02.29 | zakkm | Is it fast enough to show someone DE's? |
| 03:02.36 | zakkm | like the difference between xfce, gnome and stuff |
| 03:05.15 | l7 | is seeking with mplayer broken with flv files? |
| 03:05.20 | l7 | on mplayer |
| 03:05.36 | l7 | also wondering if 1.0rc1-maemo.29.n8x0 is the latest version available |
| 03:06.08 | zakkm | l7: i play flv just fine |
| 03:06.19 | zakkm | had problems earlier today but turned out to be my own fault |
| 03:07.13 | l7 | can you seek through files? |
| 03:07.32 | l7 | i can't get it to skip with up/down/left right or page up/page down |
| 03:07.35 | l7 | or with -ss |
| 03:08.38 | l7 | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=54 files are out of date too :\ |
| 03:08.43 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, looks good |
| 03:09.12 | zakkm | Is there a way to get USB networking working in Mac? |
| 03:10.55 | zakkm | i get a "module insertion has failed" message. |
| 03:11.07 | zakkm | when i click set up usb networking |
| 03:11.23 | l7 | so can anyone seek through flvs from youtube in mplayer? |
| 03:12.05 | zakkm | i could |
| 03:12.17 | l7 | just with left and right keys? |
| 03:12.31 | zakkm | up and down too? |
| 03:12.35 | zakkm | i believe |
| 03:12.38 | l7 | for me, it jumps forward and seems to go back |
| 03:12.38 | zakkm | there is no other way is there ? |
| 03:12.54 | zakkm | if you go forward to the end |
| 03:12.58 | zakkm | it will playback from beginning |
| 03:13.02 | zakkm | or if time is "broken" |
| 03:13.21 | l7 | the net result is that you have to hold it down if you want to skip more than a few seconds at a time |
| 03:13.39 | l7 | you can also use page up/page down to skip larger steps |
| 03:13.47 | l7 | if you start mplayer from the command line |
| 03:13.48 | zakkm | i only have a n800 |
| 03:13.55 | zakkm | o |
| 03:13.57 | l7 | you can start it from ssh :) |
| 03:14.08 | zakkm | pointless -.- |
| 03:14.28 | l7 | nah, it's good if i'm sitting at my desk |
| 03:14.30 | zakkm | i dont get you ppl with ssh'ing for video playing |
| 03:14.40 | l7 | i can start mplayer, pick up the tablet and go to the touch |
| 03:14.41 | zakkm | only time ive ever ssh'd is for remote server stuff |
| 03:14.42 | l7 | couch |
| 03:14.46 | zakkm | not for personal stuff |
| 03:24.53 | l7 | hmm seeking works okay with mp4 files |
| 03:25.05 | l7 | must be something about stupid flv files that won't seek well |
| 03:28.30 | l7 | vlc had the same issue before the new major release |
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| 03:54.09 | l7 | is it possible to configure a command line program as the default to open .mp4 and .flv files? |
| 03:54.27 | l7 | i want to use mplayer to play these |
| 03:54.47 | l7 | and also open these links from rss feeds |
| 03:54.52 | derf | Almost nothing actually links directly to .flv files. |
| 03:56.11 | l7 | yeah, how can i tell the OS to use mplayer when i tap on .flvs? |
| 03:56.33 | johnx | dbus-switchboard |
| 03:57.28 | l7 | ah cool, downloading it |
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| 04:30.08 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: |
| 04:30.22 | disco_stu | how long takes the new firmware flashing process ? |
| 04:30.41 | disco_stu | aprox |
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| 04:31.05 | GeneralAntilles | 30 seconds |
| 04:31.26 | disco_stu | i thougt flash roms were smaller |
| 04:31.33 | disco_stu | but it is 136mb |
| 04:31.49 | disco_stu | i think i'm going to upgrade to diablo after all |
| 04:31.53 | Proteous | I had a flash rom for lunch |
| 04:32.02 | Proteous | I think I burned the roof of my mouth though |
| 04:33.14 | GeneralAntilles | hands Proteous an ice cream sandwich. |
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| 04:33.22 | Proteous | thanks |
| 04:34.30 | disco_stu | hands Proteous a faso |
| 04:35.58 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: after flashing.. is it possible to downgrade ? |
| 04:36.16 | GeneralAntilles | All the FIASCO images are available. |
| 04:36.17 | Proteous | usualy after flashing you go to jail |
| 04:36.24 | Proteous | depending on how fast you can run |
| 04:36.44 | disco_stu | fiasco is a bad name |
| 04:37.10 | Proteous | my friends band is called "Fear the Fiasco" |
| 04:37.47 | disco_stu | the could call it "hear the fiasco" |
| 04:37.54 | disco_stu | that would be counterproducent |
| 04:39.11 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: the las question.. what happens if flashing fails ? |
| 04:39.36 | GeneralAntilles | Flash again |
| 04:39.38 | disco_stu | s/las/last/ |
| 04:39.58 | disco_stu | the n800 wont brick ? |
| 04:40.39 | GeneralAntilles | Well, if it fails during flashing of the NOLO image it will |
| 04:40.57 | GeneralAntilles | But that's a millisecond small window |
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| 04:41.13 | GeneralAntilles | and I've never heard of (or experience) a bricking due to a normal flash in 3 years. |
| 04:41.28 | GeneralAntilles | s/experience/experienced/ |
| 04:41.48 | disco_stu | what kind of bricking have u seen ? |
| 04:42.09 | GeneralAntilles | Only from people being actively stupid. |
| 04:42.21 | GeneralAntilles | Like mounting the NOLO partition while booted and writing to it. |
| 04:42.41 | disco_stu | NOLO = initfs ? |
| 04:43.09 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 04:43.09 | GeneralAntilles | NOkia LOader |
| 04:43.13 | GeneralAntilles | The bootloader |
| 04:43.20 | l7 | man, i really want the clear command |
| 04:43.53 | disco_stu | clear ? |
| 04:43.59 | disco_stu | for console ? |
| 04:44.01 | l7 | yeah |
| 04:44.10 | disco_stu | ctrl + l |
| 04:44.20 | l7 | oh nice |
| 04:44.23 | l7 | thanks |
| 04:44.45 | l7 | i wonder why clear isn't available manually |
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| 04:45.00 | disco_stu | ash |
| 04:45.08 | l7 | guess it saves a bit of space |
| 04:45.15 | l7 | even in bash it's not there |
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| 04:46.21 | disco_stu | well here is almos 2am |
| 04:46.28 | disco_stu | s/almos/almost/ |
| 04:46.38 | disco_stu | so i'll be heading to my bed |
| 04:46.44 | disco_stu | see you around |
| 04:46.54 | l7 | later |
| 04:47.08 | l7 | s/later/see ya |
| 04:47.10 | l7 | s/later/see ya/ |
| 04:47.15 | l7 | nifty bot |
| 04:47.39 | disco_stu | lol |
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| 06:51.48 | Stskeeps | yawns |
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| 06:55.20 | johnx | continues having issues getting debootstrapped into ubuntu :/ |
| 06:55.51 | RST38h | moo, johnx |
| 06:56.09 | johnx | m00f! |
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| 07:05.11 | RST38h | "In remarks delivered from the Rose Garden, the current occupant of the White House called Obama's election "uplifting."" (C)WashPost |
| 07:05.22 | RST38h | Current occupNT,HEH |
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| 07:16.14 | johnx | using mkfs on different devices from screen is rather stress inducing... |
| 07:16.29 | RST38h | mm...why? |
| 07:18.56 | johnx | mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda ... |
| 07:19.04 | johnx | crap wasn't that supposed to be /dev/sdi ? |
| 07:19.23 | johnx | or was it /dev/mmcblk0p1 and I just formatted my usb stick? |
| 07:19.42 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 07:20.31 | Stskeeps | debootstrap on tablet of ubuntu was cp hardy to hasty in usr/share/debootstrap/scripts, debootstrap --arch=arm hasty /target repo or something |
| 07:20.34 | johnx | luckily no problems this time. last time I accidentally wrote fat16 fs on my 500GB USB storage drive... |
| 07:21.17 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 07:21.19 | johnx | Stskeeps, yeah, that's what I thought. I'm having issues with the zaurus misbehaving |
| 07:21.35 | johnx | also, my 4GB card dying hasn't really helped things |
| 07:24.55 | Stskeeps | heads to work |
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| 07:28.31 | RST38h | johnx: Have to know your devices! =) |
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| 07:29.49 | l7 | hmm, deblet looks really cool |
| 07:32.14 | johnx | RST38h, I know my devices, I just forget what machine I'm sshed to :P |
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| 07:34.05 | RST38h | heheh |
| 07:34.26 | johnx | I have problems maintaining state |
| 07:34.33 | RST38h | if you want to really screw up though, run screen from inside te screen |
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| 07:34.44 | vincenzo88 | Hello everybody |
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| 07:55.32 | johnx | ha! I was being too clever with debootstrap I think :) |
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| 08:14.59 | Stskeeps | oh? |
| 08:15.45 | johnx | well actually I was wrong, no I'm starting to run out of ideas :/ |
| 08:15.50 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 08:15.58 | Stskeeps | what happens? |
| 08:16.07 | Stskeeps | and where do you debootstrap from? |
| 08:17.13 | johnx | well the zaurus has angstrom, so I did the first half on my desktop with debootstrap --foreign |
| 08:17.20 | johnx | now this actually has worked before |
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| 08:17.37 | johnx | anyways, I have a couple ideas so I'll keep chewing on it |
| 08:17.59 | Teijo777 | anyone know how I can change userid on scratchbox? |
| 08:18.14 | Teijo777 | something akin to "su someuser" |
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| 08:22.27 | Stskeeps | zaurus's armv5? |
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| 08:22.53 | johnx | yeah |
| 08:23.25 | Stskeeps | odd - admittedly i did debootstrap only on tablet, may be that foreign for hasty won't work |
| 08:23.25 | johnx | old arm CPUs never go away, they just get cheaper :) |
| 08:23.39 | johnx | the thing is I did this before :/ |
| 08:23.54 | johnx | I wish I did an rsync of my fresh install now |
| 08:24.03 | Stskeeps | maybe use http://repository.handhelds.org/hasty-armv5el/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ ? |
| 08:24.50 | johnx | might as well give it a shot |
| 08:25.43 | Stskeeps | you know you have too many cables and crap laying in your office when professors come to ask you for firewire cables.. |
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| 08:34.12 | aquatix | Stskeeps: lol |
| 08:34.13 | Stskeeps | ah. no wonder people have had issues with installing deblet |
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| 08:34.18 | Stskeeps | master repo was down |
| 08:34.29 | johnx | craziness |
| 08:34.40 | johnx | I guess that's what I get for not having any devices running debian |
| 08:35.09 | Stskeeps | or not..hmm |
| 08:35.56 | aquatix | johnx: time to build one? |
| 08:36.23 | johnx | devices running ubuntu are close enough :) |
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| 08:36.43 | johnx | I tend to switch between debian and ubuntu every couple years |
| 08:37.32 | aquatix | has both |
| 08:37.44 | aquatix | debian on servers and laptop, ubuntu on workstation |
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| 08:41.04 | johnx | I think I managed to trigger a somewhat obscure bug in debootstrap :) |
| 08:41.33 | aquatix | ah? |
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| 08:42.11 | johnx | apparently using --foreign can trigger the problem I was seeing in certain circumstances |
| 08:42.33 | johnx | without --foreign both devices are plodding away happily :) |
| 08:44.48 | aquatix | odd |
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| 08:47.31 | Stskeeps | johnx: think it can be a good excersise to develop m-r both on zaurus and n800 to add generic abilities to it |
| 08:47.41 | Stskeeps | if m-r can handle hildon stuff :) |
| 08:47.45 | Stskeeps | er, zaurus |
| 08:47.51 | johnx | it *should* be able to |
| 08:48.06 | johnx | it just won't be fast |
| 08:48.19 | johnx | you can think of it as similar hardware to the 770 |
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| 08:48.32 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 08:48.41 | Stskeeps | and 770s obviously too, wasn't there a non-vfp version of mojo too? |
| 08:49.03 | johnx | there's v5 v5-vfp and v6-vfp |
| 08:49.06 | Stskeeps | k |
| 08:49.10 | Stskeeps | and 770 was armv5 |
| 08:49.15 | johnx | that covers all our bases. zaurus and 770 have no vfp |
| 08:51.27 | johnx | wanders off to do dishes :/ |
| 08:51.30 | Stskeeps | have fun |
| 08:52.40 | johnx | misses his dishwashing machine ... |
| 08:53.05 | Stskeeps | mm, when i come home i have to clean up the house a bit as well |
| 08:53.08 | Stskeeps | having guest over |
| 08:54.19 | aquatix | :) |
| 08:54.35 | RST38h | doesn't miss dishwashing machines, the don't do good job anyway |
| 08:55.42 | Stskeeps | i kinda wish i had one now, cos it hurts my wrist to wash dishes |
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| 08:56.00 | wanders | johnx: My dishes? |
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| 08:59.28 | johnx | got enough of my own. :P |
| 09:00.06 | wanders | johnx: Then I don't understand why you mentioned me :) |
| 09:02.55 | johnx | because your nick perfectly describes my actions. In fact they made an English word based on your nick :D |
| 09:03.45 | wanders | :) |
| 09:07.12 | errordeveloper | what do you think about formating memory card in ext2 ? |
| 09:08.02 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/m-r btw |
| 09:08.06 | Stskeeps | same login/pass etc as deblet |
| 09:08.43 | johnx | errordeveloper, a lot of us here have done that |
| 09:09.00 | Stskeeps | has svn associated (/svn/m-r) as well |
| 09:11.24 | errordeveloper | so i'll proly format my 8gig internal one in ext2 and a 128meg one into vfat (so it could be put into windows pc or mac) |
| 09:11.54 | Stskeeps | or just partition it, one fat partition and rest ext2 |
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| 09:13.52 | errordeveloper | yeah ..that's what i thought too ..leave the small one out, |
| 09:15.39 | Stskeeps | nah, you'll like the small 128meg one for when maemo complains :P |
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| 09:17.10 | errordeveloper | but the partitioning might cause a confusion, cause it's not me who is actually using the tablet |
| 09:17.10 | errordeveloper | so i'd just tell them to use small mc in case of swapping data is needed and use the big one for storage |
| 09:17.10 | errordeveloper | and on ext2 the data will be safer |
| 09:17.11 | errordeveloper | complains about what?? |
| 09:17.13 | errordeveloper | what about ext3 on memory cards? is it really so bad for the write cycles? |
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| 09:26.04 | Stskeeps | johnx: i think that in the m-r project everything is fair game if we are to demonstrate something, such as battery applets and such |
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| 09:34.11 | suihkulokki | wearing of memory cards is overrated |
| 09:34.29 | suihkulokki | memory cards become obsolete before they wear out :P |
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| 09:35.14 | Stskeeps | yet johnx has managed to destroy several.. his n800 must be a sd-card eating monster ;) |
| 09:35.26 | X-Fade | True, as long as you don't have something rewrite a file constantly, you won't ever notice it. |
| 09:36.22 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: that's probably another problem - poor quality of cheap memory cards |
| 09:47.29 | RST38h | XFade: swap file? |
| 09:48.05 | RST38h | had to enable swap on his 810 and has mental jitters since then |
| 09:48.12 | RST38h | WHAT IF IT BREAKS? |
| 09:48.48 | X-Fade | Symlink it to your external card? |
| 09:49.21 | RST38h | but what if external card breaks? |
| 09:49.27 | X-Fade | Replace it? |
| 09:49.35 | X-Fade | 1GB card = 3 euro ;) |
| 09:49.53 | RST38h | has got 8GB card, more expensive =) |
| 09:50.04 | X-Fade | RST38h: Life-time warranty? |
| 09:50.16 | RST38h | btw, are there any confirmed cases of swapping destroying internal flash? |
| 09:50.27 | X-Fade | Not possible. |
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| 09:50.34 | X-Fade | Embedded under the cpu.. Same package. |
| 09:50.53 | X-Fade | Ehm replacing is not possible. |
| 09:51.09 | X-Fade | But I haven't seen any reports. |
| 09:51.25 | Stskeeps | anyone ever thrashed their internal flash though? |
| 09:51.30 | Stskeeps | beyond the partitioning stuff |
| 09:51.40 | Stskeeps | as in, the internal SD |
| 09:51.54 | johnx | I'm pretty sure that swapping / ext3 wasn't the factor in the deaths of any of my cards' deaths |
| 09:52.22 | X-Fade | Wrong voltage etc is more likely? |
| 09:52.43 | johnx | maybe death-by-static-electricity |
| 09:52.46 | RST38h | His halo destroys flash. |
| 09:52.50 | X-Fade | Or wear/tear outside the device. |
| 09:53.18 | johnx | though one of my cards had bad sectors to begin with and developed more rather quickly |
| 09:53.58 | johnx | I think that would be classified as a defective card, but I can't help but thinking that such heavy utilization might have contributed to the speed of its death |
| 09:55.07 | X-Fade | I generally don't care too much about it. It is meant to be used, not meant to be saved. |
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| 10:01.24 | timeless | helllo world |
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| 10:01.43 | RST38h | Ah, found a howto about swap on external cards |
| 10:01.59 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:02.09 | RST38h | There is a catch though: the external card won't be available as usb mass storage |
| 10:10.42 | Stskeeps | who needs that anyway when you have ssh? :P |
| 10:12.05 | Stskeeps | johnx: i think i'll spend some time seeing if i can showhorn ubuntu into sb2 |
| 10:12.25 | Stskeeps | .. shoehorn |
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| 10:27.51 | dksaarth | Hi guys |
| 10:28.14 | dksaarth | can anybody help me with a problem ? I'm trying to install the maemopad test application |
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| 10:29.00 | dksaarth | currently trying sb2 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b |
| 10:29.12 | dksaarth | but it crashes when it tries to use xargs |
| 10:29.22 | dksaarth | and when i manually run the xargs binary it crashes as well |
| 10:29.59 | RST38h | type sb2, cd to maemopad directory, and build there |
| 10:30.04 | RST38h | do not use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 10:30.22 | dksaarth | i.e. /opt/maemo/dists/etch/usr/bin/xargs |
| 10:30.22 | dksaarth | xargs: xargs.c:450: main: Assertion `bc_ctl.arg_max <= (131072-2048)' failed. |
| 10:30.22 | dksaarth | Aborted (core dumped) |
| 10:30.34 | Stskeeps | johnx: armv5el or -vfp when it comes to hasty? |
| 10:31.34 | Stskeeps | nm |
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| 10:39.49 | dksaarth | sigh my connection is suck today |
| 10:39.49 | dksaarth | sucky even |
| 10:39.49 | dksaarth | did anybody see my message about xargs crashing ? |
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| 10:49.35 | karbas | hmm.. how should i remove uri encoding (eg. %20) from filenames when i want just to show it |
| 10:50.04 | karbas | i mean showing "filename with spaces" not as "filename%20with%20spaces" |
| 10:56.42 | Jaffa | karbas: use a library. Although in Perl you can do it in one pack() statement |
| 10:57.02 | karbas | but in C |
| 10:57.11 | Jaffa | use a library. |
| 10:57.17 | karbas | what library:)?? |
| 10:57.19 | karbas | -? |
| 10:59.14 | florian | glib should be able to do this |
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| 11:03.29 | karbas | tried already with g_filename_to_utf8() but still there's %20 |
| 11:03.38 | karbas | or is there maybe some other function |
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| 11:09.49 | Stskeeps | hm. qemu-system-arm for versatile-pb doesn't do armv5el-vfp? |
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| 11:10.33 | johnx | probably just plane armv5el, right? |
| 11:10.37 | suihkulokki | yep |
| 11:11.02 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 11:11.11 | Stskeeps | that explains why debootstrap blew up on me :P |
| 11:11.41 | johnx | heh, neither of us are having good luck with debootstrap tonight |
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| 11:11.43 | suihkulokki | although as it is a emulator, it can be modified to deviate from the real HW |
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| 11:52.53 | timeless | ping? |
| 11:53.01 | timeless | names #maemo |
| 11:53.49 | aquatix | timeless: pong |
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| 12:02.11 | dksaarth | anybody know why my xargs is crashing ? |
| 12:03.32 | RST38h | no. |
| 12:04.00 | RST38h | but the best guess is that you are using sb2 for something it has not been designed to do |
| 12:06.36 | dksaarth | dksaarth@dksaarth-desktop:~/src/mytest/maemopad-2.4$ /opt/maemo/dists/etch/usr/bin/xargs |
| 12:06.36 | dksaarth | xargs: xargs.c:450: main: Assertion `bc_ctl.arg_max <= (131072-2048)' failed. |
| 12:06.41 | dksaarth | might be a problem with the glibc ? |
| 12:10.24 | dksaarth | im following the maemo tutorial, trying to get the maemopad test app to work |
| 12:10.25 | dksaarth | but when running sb2 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b |
| 12:10.27 | dksaarth | it crashes because xargs gets called in dh_fixperms |
| 12:12.42 | RST38h | Does tutorial describe SB or SB2? |
| 12:12.51 | RST38h | Could you give me the URL to that tutorial? |
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| 12:18.39 | vincenzo88 | http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/tutorial.html |
| 12:19.07 | vincenzo88 | This is want you want ? |
| 12:19.18 | vincenzo88 | what* |
| 12:24.13 | dksaarth | sorry, was on the phone |
| 12:24.21 | dksaarth | the tutorial i followed was http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install-ubuntu.html |
| 12:24.27 | dksaarth | it's using sb2 |
| 12:25.22 | dksaarth | the command im trying to run is sb2 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b |
| 12:25.22 | dksaarth | which fails because the xargs command fails |
| 12:26.16 | dksaarth | the rootstrap i am trying to use is diablo41_armel , toolchain is 2005q3, and tools are etch |
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| 12:32.30 | dksaarth | maemo-runtime start diablo41_armel works fine (i.e. it loads the emulator and i can select things in it - doesn't seem to have a lot installed tho) |
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| 12:34.42 | dksaarth | bugger, my connection died |
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| 12:48.39 | dksaarth | RST38h, any idea? did my messages about it being sb2 and the tutorial i was following come through ? |
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| 12:52.36 | dksaarth_2 | sigh |
| 12:52.47 | dksaarth_2 | maybe a web cgi client will have better luck |
| 12:54.18 | dksaarth_2 | RST38h, any idea? did my messages about it being sb2 and the tutorial i was following come through ? My apologies if i am repeating my self here, my connection seems very bad today |
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| 12:56.34 | dksaarth_2 | so my clients quit message comes through, but not messages I send between my clients... :P |
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| 13:23.14 | Stskeeps | curses sb2 |
| 13:23.42 | Stskeeps | yes, cannot create binaries, no further explanation |
| 13:24.34 | lopz | hola |
| 13:24.38 | lcuk | Stskeeps, convert everything to vb.not ;) |
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| 13:25.43 | lcuk | balls jaiku is busy |
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| 13:40.51 | Stskeeps | okay, sb2 is more sane than sb1. |
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| 13:42.20 | dksaarth_2 | can anybody here give me some advice on porting my application to a n810 ? - iv installed maemoe, emulation works, maemopad works - i need to add a library (exosip) for my program in order to get it to compile |
| 13:42.27 | dksaarth_2 | not sure how to go about doing that ? from inside sb2 ? |
| 13:43.02 | Stskeeps | build the package for it as you would an application i guess |
| 13:43.06 | Stskeeps | does it already have a debian package? |
| 13:43.13 | dksaarth_2 | yes |
| 13:43.37 | dksaarth_2 | can i just install the deb using dpkg ? |
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| 13:43.54 | dksaarth_2 | *pretty new to this whole crosschain compiling / emulation business* |
| 13:45.14 | Stskeeps | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libexosip2-4 , get the source packages on the side and then dpkg-source -x the.dsc . |
| 13:45.18 | Stskeeps | and then build the source package |
| 13:46.28 | dksaarth_2 | thanks, will give that a bash |
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| 13:53.27 | Jaffa | dksaarth_2: http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ should help you rebuilding a Debian package. Although, if it's just a library with no additional build hacks it won't really be necessary. |
| 13:55.07 | dksaarth_2 | thanks - its a library that in turn depends on other libraries |
| 13:55.22 | dksaarth_2 | might have to go grabbing source of everything and build it all?.... |
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| 14:03.51 | guardian | anyone here ever developed with the limo platform ? |
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| 14:13.36 | johnx | might not be the best time to start developing for limo... |
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| 14:18.16 | disco_stu | why the hell is maemo.org so slow ?? |
| 14:19.26 | StsN800 | disco_stu, they are waiting to replace the 770s running it when n900 comes out. |
| 14:19.38 | RST38h | disco: it is running on a bunch of 770s |
| 14:20.01 | disco_stu | lol |
| 14:20.24 | disco_stu | i flipped trying to imagine a 770's cluster |
| 14:21.40 | StsN800 | its where all wsod 770s go |
| 14:21.43 | dksaarth_2 | Stskeeps: I downloaded the source package, configured it and compiled it, but not too sure where to go from here ? |
| 14:21.51 | disco_stu | wsod ? |
| 14:22.01 | disco_stu | ~wsod |
| 14:22.01 | infobot | well, wsod is IBM's Workspace on Demand, a global e-Business applications environment |
| 14:22.05 | StsN800 | dksaarth_2, dpkg -i i guess |
| 14:22.20 | disco_stu | thanks bootie |
| 14:22.38 | StsN800 | infobot, no, wsod is white screen of death |
| 14:22.39 | infobot | okay, StsN800 |
| 14:23.05 | dksaarth_2 | StsN800: eeer, i don't have a .deb to give dpkg -i ? |
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| 14:23.07 | disco_stu | ~wsod |
| 14:23.08 | infobot | well, wsod is white screen of death |
| 14:23.15 | disco_stu | good puppy |
| 14:23.20 | johnx | dksaarth_2, did you do ./configure ; make *or* did you dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ? |
| 14:23.30 | dksaarth_2 | i did the configure ; make |
| 14:23.35 | dksaarth_2 | dpkg-buildpackage fails |
| 14:23.47 | johnx | interesting, in what way? |
| 14:23.54 | dksaarth_2 | parsechangelog/debian: error: unrecognised line, at file debian/changelog line 2 |
| 14:23.57 | StsN800 | johnx, think i have m-r sdk going tonight |
| 14:24.00 | dksaarth_2 | dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is |
| 14:24.07 | StsN800 | using sb2 |
| 14:25.28 | johnx | dksaarth_2, you grab the .dsc .diff.gz and .tar.gz for a package, then run dpkg-source -x foo.dsc, then cd into the directory it makes and run dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot |
| 14:25.46 | johnx | Stskeeps, that's great! |
| 14:25.47 | dksaarth_2 | thanks i got confused |
| 14:26.36 | RST38h | Heh, Nokia seems to be swiching to Windows CE |
| 14:26.52 | johnx | sure, debian packaging can be a little bit much to take in all at once :) |
| 14:27.00 | johnx | RST38h, pics or it didn't happen |
| 14:27.08 | RST38h | no problemo |
| 14:27.28 | RST38h | Here, feed: http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-500-4-3-touchscreen-auto-navigation-gps-bluetooth-text-to-speech/q/loc/101/207937443.html |
| 14:28.13 | disco_stu | wow, thats nice |
| 14:29.28 | RST38h | Yes, WinCE is definitely nicer than Maemo. And cheaper too! And does all the multimedia stuff without requiring you to be a rocket scientist! |
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| 14:29.44 | RST38h | Isn't it absolutely wonderful, disco? |
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| 14:34.23 | suihkulokki | RST38h: N bought a company that made those based on CE long before getting bought |
| 14:34.38 | RST38h | ah |
| 14:35.16 | disco_stu | CE is shit |
| 14:35.27 | RST38h | already imagined the horror and loathing on iTT |
| 14:35.39 | disco_stu | i mean.. what is great is the attempt of nokia to get into gps receiver market |
| 14:35.54 | johnx | RST38h, interspersed with a couple people cheering |
| 14:35.59 | guardian | johnx: why that not the best time ? |
| 14:35.59 | RST38h | Wait, we can still induce that horror and loathing with a couple of well designed posts! =) |
| 14:36.16 | RST38h | johnx: Not people, nutballs |
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| 14:36.38 | johnx | guardian, seems like motorola's limo roadmap isn't that firm lately |
| 14:36.58 | guardian | johnx: it also looks it's not open anyway |
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| 14:37.01 | RST38h | Motorola has no limo roadmap. Motorola's Linux platform is officially dead. |
| 14:37.13 | johnx | no officially |
| 14:37.18 | RST38h | officially. |
| 14:37.24 | johnx | their official line is that they're still working with limo |
| 14:37.29 | johnx | want me to link their press release? |
| 14:37.37 | suihkulokki | RST38h: s/'s Linux platform / |
| 14:37.51 | RST38h | They officially declared that they are leaving: WinMobile for business, Android for media phones, Java for budget |
| 14:38.03 | RST38h | johnx: Yes please |
| 14:38.27 | guardian | if motorola leaves, who remains ? |
| 14:38.42 | johnx | RST38h, http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=167228 |
| 14:38.52 | johnx | not a press release I guess, but an official communication |
| 14:39.13 | johnx | their long term plans probably don't involve limo |
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| 14:40.18 | dksaarth_2 | hmmm - when trying to dpkg -i i now get /home/dksaarth/.maemo-sdk/rootstraps/armel/diablo41_armel/sbin/ldconfig: Can't open configuration file /etc/ld.so.conf: No such file or directory |
| 14:40.34 | guardian | johnx: did you ever have to work on limo ? |
| 14:40.35 | johnx | touch /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 14:40.44 | dksaarth_2 | it does exist johnx ..... |
| 14:41.21 | dksaarth_2 | which is wierd.... |
| 14:41.36 | dksaarth_2 | what "mode" should i be in for this ? |
| 14:41.39 | dksaarth_2 | i did a sudo sb2 -e |
| 14:41.44 | dksaarth_2 | then a dpkg -i *.deb |
| 14:41.45 | johnx | aaah...sb2 |
| 14:42.14 | jumpula | sudo sb2? |
| 14:42.36 | suihkulokki | now _that_ is recipe for disaster :> |
| 14:42.42 | johnx | this is probably related to the different "view" that apt-get has of your system. look in area where the rootstrap was unpacked and see if there really is an ld.so.conf |
| 14:42.43 | jumpula | indeed :) |
| 14:43.01 | dksaarth_2 | so sudo sb2 = very bad idea ? |
| 14:43.04 | jumpula | yes |
| 14:43.18 | jumpula | you should not use sudo with sb2. ever. |
| 14:43.53 | dksaarth_2 | okay. now I know :) thanks. |
| 14:43.56 | dksaarth_2 | i did it because i got |
| 14:43.57 | dksaarth_2 | [SB2 emulate diablo41_armel] dksaarth@dksaarth-desktop libosip $ dpkg -i *.deb dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege |
| 14:44.10 | jumpula | fakeroot |
| 14:44.36 | dksaarth_2 | sorry jumpula ? fakeroot command not found |
| 14:44.52 | dksaarth_2 | or is it fakeroot sb2 |
| 14:45.03 | jumpula | you@host% sudo apt-get install fakeroot |
| 14:45.15 | jumpula | sb2 -e fakeroot dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 14:45.31 | jumpula | i know nothing of scratchbox2 but that would make sense to me |
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| 14:46.05 | jumpula | assuming the -e was emulation mode with sb2 |
| 14:46.11 | dksaarth_2 | yeah it was |
| 14:46.27 | Stskeeps | or -rfakeroot in dpkg-buildpackage |
| 14:46.52 | jumpula | sb2 (in contrary to sb1) uses the tools in your host system (plus some creative path mapping) |
| 14:47.27 | jumpula | but the principle is the same. you need to have the tool *somewhere*, either on the target or on your host. |
| 14:47.42 | dksaarth_2 | i have it on my host, i.e. i can run fakeroot sb2, but not sb2 fakeroot |
| 14:48.32 | jumpula | oh, yes. the emulation mode is restricted to the target. |
| 14:48.34 | jumpula | hmm |
| 14:48.39 | jumpula | try -i (install mode) |
| 14:49.35 | dksaarth_2 | sb2 -m install fakeroot dpkg -i *.deb /opt/maemo/dists/etch/bin/bash: fakeroot: command not found |
| 14:50.05 | dksaarth_2 | (-i doesn't exist for sb2) |
| 14:50.21 | jumpula | suihkulokki: is install mode too restricted on target? |
| 14:50.32 | jumpula | suihkulokki: or does it have the path mappings only for apt? |
| 14:50.39 | dksaarth_2 | could i do a sb2 apt-get fakeroot ? |
| 14:50.55 | jumpula | you can do that |
| 14:51.03 | jumpula | if you have a repository for the target that contains fakeroot |
| 14:51.16 | jumpula | then you can even use the -e |
| 14:51.33 | dksaarth_2 | hmm dont think i do have a repository for it |
| 14:51.33 | jumpula | i'm not entirely sure which kind of bird the install mode really is |
| 14:51.45 | jumpula | you can also build that package for your target |
| 14:52.08 | jumpula | but i'm assuming sdk+ is using host's fakeroot, so there should be a way |
| 14:53.38 | dksaarth_2 | hmmm |
| 14:53.46 | suihkulokki | I don't know about the install mode |
| 14:54.00 | jumpula | ok |
| 14:54.23 | jumpula | i was kinda assuming that, but since i have no clue about that mode myself... |
| 14:54.28 | jumpula | never hurts to ask :) |
| 14:57.23 | dksaarth_2 | aaaha - sb2 has a -R paramater |
| 14:57.41 | dksaarth_2 | -R Execute commands in fakeroot environment |
| 14:58.01 | dksaarth_2 | but now i get |
| 14:58.03 | dksaarth_2 | dpkg: error processing libosip2-3_2.2.2-3.1_armel.deb (--install): unable to create `./usr/share/doc/libosip2-3/changelog.gz': Permission denied |
| 14:58.43 | johnx | I wonder if this might be caused by having used sudo earlier? |
| 14:59.09 | dksaarth_2 | yeah maybe - ill go try see if i can find any files owned by root and change them to my user |
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| 15:01.26 | dksaarth_2 | :D |
| 15:01.29 | dksaarth_2 | seems to work fine now |
| 15:01.33 | dksaarth_2 | i chowned the necessary files |
| 15:01.36 | johnx | w00! |
| 15:01.46 | dksaarth_2 | thanks :) |
| 15:02.00 | thopiekar | hi |
| 15:02.00 | thopiekar | could someone tell me why the hole community is so lazy the last time? |
| 15:02.02 | dksaarth_2 | one library down, 2 more to go methinks |
| 15:02.20 | johnx | thopiekar, uhm, what? |
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| 15:02.53 | johnx | dksaarth_2, no problem. I'll probably be using sb2 very shortly, so it's good to know in advance where I'll run into problems :D |
| 15:03.35 | dksaarth_2 | heh |
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| 15:09.07 | jumpula | dksaarth_2: you're lucky. you could've ended up with arm glibc on your host with careless using of sudo sb2 :) |
| 15:09.30 | thopiekar | it think especially nokia'S developters and other projects like canola2 are not "really" working on thier platform/projects... I remember the first days, when i bought my N800, the community brought daily updates and other improvements... but in the last weeks it appears that the community is dead , in comparison to the past! what are the reasons? |
| 15:09.49 | johnx | so what project are you working on? |
| 15:10.06 | thopiekar | bluesixty... |
| 15:10.56 | thopiekar | but i have not time to work on this because i have to do lots of school-stuff ;( |
| 15:11.11 | thopiekar | *no |
| 15:11.14 | johnx | I'll let you ponder this for a while |
| 15:12.44 | thopiekar | hmmm.. |
| 15:13.01 | johnx | :) |
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| 15:16.53 | johnx | I also know that a lot of projects that don't appear to be doing anything are actually working really hard behind the scenes |
| 15:17.37 | thopiekar | hmm you might be right ;] |
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| 15:20.46 | thopiekar | I hope that there will come lots of great updates in the next week's/month's ^^ mainly somethink from the canola2 project and the a2dp support by nokia! |
| 15:21.27 | johnx | I have some doubts about a2dp coming soon |
| 15:21.39 | johnx | at least from Nokia |
| 15:22.00 | thopiekar | why? |
| 15:22.00 | johnx | I'm sure canola will have some great updates once in a while |
| 15:22.06 | GeneralAntilles | It's coming in Maemo 5 |
| 15:22.13 | GeneralAntilles | There are no doubts |
| 15:22.16 | johnx | that's why |
| 15:22.23 | johnx | emphasis on "soon" |
| 15:22.29 | GeneralAntilles | It wont be coming to Diablo. |
| 15:22.56 | thopiekar | but maemo5 will be available for the n800, too... right? |
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| 15:23.04 | johnx | maybe |
| 15:23.06 | thopiekar | ! |
| 15:23.07 | disco_stu | thopiekar: hope so |
| 15:23.08 | GeneralAntilles | Undetermined, but unlikely. |
| 15:23.21 | thopiekar | disco_stu: me too |
| 15:23.40 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, at least an unofficial version is more likely this time than last time |
| 15:24.21 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, good luck shoehorning Fremantles audio framework onto OMAP2 for A2DP |
| 15:24.58 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, aren't the going with pulseaudio? |
| 15:25.14 | GeneralAntilles | The DSP stuff isn't going to be plug and play. |
| 15:25.24 | johnx | yeah, never expected it to |
| 15:25.46 | qwerty12 | If http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=231074&postcount=264 is true, then I don't expect Fremantle's A2DP stuff to work on Diablo. |
| 15:25.57 | GeneralAntilles | and A2DP wasn't really ever the big issue, it was A2DP that didn't skip or nuke battery life |
| 15:26.21 | johnx | a2dp will always nuke battery life :) |
| 15:26.32 | johnx | it's a constant hi-speed stream over bluetooth |
| 15:27.09 | GeneralAntilles | Less so when the DSP is doing the heavy lifting than when the CPU is doing it, though. |
| 15:28.35 | johnx | I was an early A2DP adopter but I'm kind of over it now. It's an awful lot sacrifice to get sub-par sound quality on heavy, expensive headphones |
| 15:29.46 | GeneralAntilles | I have better speakers these days than I do headphones |
| 15:30.16 | disco_stu | people.. is a n900 coming ? |
| 15:30.18 | johnx | I have a pair of ~$8 headphones that sound better than my $80 motorola bt headphones |
| 15:30.24 | GeneralAntilles | Of course |
| 15:30.26 | GeneralAntilles | Sometime next year. |
| 15:30.42 | disco_stu | and what will bring ? |
| 15:30.53 | johnx | search for n900 on itt :) |
| 15:31.05 | johnx | or maemo5 on google |
| 15:31.33 | GeneralAntilles | The wikipedia page on Maemo will tell you everything you need to know. |
| 15:31.47 | thopiekar | but whats the difference of my n95'S a2dp-support and the a2dp-support of my n800 (johnx's thead on iTT)? |
| 15:32.04 | johnx | one is running S60 and one is running linux? |
| 15:32.19 | thopiekar | yes |
| 15:32.30 | johnx | that's the difference |
| 15:32.39 | qwerty12 | thopiekar, nokia actually worked on the bluetooth in S60 and said fuck all to the bluez |
| 15:32.54 | johnx | qwerty12, actually that's hilariously not true :) |
| 15:32.58 | thopiekar | but isn't alsa on the iTT emulated? |
| 15:33.06 | thopiekar | ;D |
| 15:33.20 | johnx | Nokia put a ton of work into bluez on linux and then failed to use all of the cool features on their NITs |
| 15:33.35 | RST38h | back |
| 15:33.37 | timeless | err |
| 15:33.48 | RST38h | A2DP? Bulky headphones? Not true any more |
| 15:33.48 | timeless | the features were mostly not ready |
| 15:34.07 | RST38h | And, at least the headphones themselves live forever on a single charge |
| 15:34.23 | qwerty12 | johnx, I'm not going to pretend I know the inner workings but me brother's N73 works with A2DP better. And my N800 cost a whole lot more than the N73. |
| 15:34.40 | qwerty12 | s/inner workings/inner workings of bluez/ |
| 15:35.10 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, you're starting to sound like itT. |
| 15:35.27 | johnx | qwerty12, but Nokia *wrote* the current A2DP implementation for Linux. It works great...but they couldn't be bothered to polish it and work it into maemo |
| 15:35.49 | qwerty12 | I'm saying what I've observed. |
| 15:36.20 | johnx | timeless, I suppose so. It's been working pretty well unofficially for a *long* time though |
| 15:36.47 | qwerty12 | johnx, heh, the irony :) |
| 15:37.01 | timeless | johnx: as a linux user, i'd say thanks |
| 15:37.13 | timeless | but as a paying n800 owner, i can understand your frustration |
| 15:37.15 | RST38h | johnx: The problem with Maemo is a bit different. It is not bluez to blame |
| 15:37.36 | timeless | but i'm pretty sure you'd understand the frustration of the guy who worked on bluez that the feature isn't used |
| 15:37.54 | qwerty12 | But I won't deny that I knew that A2DP on N8x0 was bullshit before I bought it so A2DP wasn't a buying factor for me. |
| 15:38.09 | RST38h | johnx: Maemo does compression/uncompression via DSP and its CPU is too slow to do it by itself and STILL have enough firepower left for your apps |
| 15:38.22 | johnx | timeless, definitely, I was just thinking that. Nothing like working on projects that never see their intended use |
| 15:38.42 | johnx | RST38h, that's an interesting idea |
| 15:38.48 | timeless | considers writing a patch for something |
| 15:39.02 | RST38h | johnx: So, to play stuff via A2DP, you have to first uncompress mp3 (on DSP), then compress result into A2DP format (on the same DSP) |
| 15:39.17 | RST38h | johnx: Ladrman will have more details if you are interested |
| 15:40.15 | GeneralAntilles | We should get the packagerate guy to start hacking on h-a-m |
| 15:40.58 | johnx | RST38h, I know a bit about A2DP. it already works passably on the CPU. mp3 decoding+sbc encoding takes about 20-30% at 400MHz |
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| 15:43.45 | RST38h | johnx: this will suck the battery dryg |
| 15:44.28 | RST38h | General: does he have a web site for this package at all? |
| 15:44.54 | johnx | yes. that's why I haven't put much more effort into cleaning up the "enable a2dp" package I made |
| 15:44.56 | RST38h | johnx: And *that* is the problem unfortunately. But lardman has A2DP running on DSP, with some limitations |
| 15:45.17 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, don't think so. |
| 15:45.36 | RST38h | johnx: Maybe you can get in touch with him and see if there are any new and exciting things to do =) |
| 15:46.25 | johnx | working on something else right now. I might get interested again if I get a cheap *comfortable* pair of A2DP headphones |
| 15:47.16 | johnx | but really, the sound quality was getting to me as well, and there's nothing anyone can do about that :/ |
| 15:47.43 | Stskeeps | ponders idly a vaguely insane thing |
| 15:47.55 | Stskeeps | think qemu-arm system emulation can do second stage debootstrap? |
| 15:48.03 | Stskeeps | er, binary |
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| 15:48.49 | johnx | I can't remember if I ever got that working |
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| 15:49.12 | johnx | wait, system or user-mode? |
| 15:49.16 | Stskeeps | user-mode |
| 15:49.24 | johnx | that's what I thought |
| 15:49.39 | johnx | might be worth a try if they've improved it in the last 6 months or so |
| 15:49.44 | Stskeeps | tries for fun. |
| 15:49.58 | Stskeeps | or nah.. |
| 15:50.02 | Stskeeps | rootstrap tar.gz's more fun |
| 15:50.20 | RST38h | johnx: I have got "cheap" and "small" coovered |
| 15:50.51 | johnx | RST38h, now work on "comfort" and "fidelity" and get back to me :D |
| 15:51.19 | aquatix | sticks with wired headphones |
| 15:51.33 | RST38h | johnx: Well, fidelity and A2DP are not compatible |
| 15:51.40 | aquatix | is good fidelity even possible on a2dp? |
| 15:51.41 | aquatix | ah |
| 15:51.47 | johnx | right, hence my waning interest :) |
| 15:51.54 | RST38h | johnx: As to comfort, I am pretty sure that the headphones are not to blame in my case |
| 15:52.01 | johnx | Stskeeps, I think the sticking point on chrooting into it was actually compiling a static qemu to use inside the chroot |
| 15:52.07 | RST38h | johnx: The pair I have will fit perfectly well on most people |
| 15:52.36 | RST38h | johnx: bought nameless, for $60, at a random AT&T store stateside |
| 15:52.57 | johnx | mine press my glasses into my head in a most uncomfortable way :/ |
| 15:53.56 | aquatix | johnx: mod them onto your glasses? |
| 15:54.36 | johnx | that totally doesn't sound like it will make me look like a complete nerd :P |
| 15:54.50 | RST38h | johnx: exactly my problem |
| 15:57.12 | qwerty12 | just has a pair that you shove headphones into :P. Not a headset but at least it can do mp3 decoding on the headset |
| 15:57.22 | Stskeeps | johnx: ah, yeah, that'd be a problem |
| 15:57.32 | aquatix | johnx: ;) |
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| 16:16.19 | Stskeeps | jesus, codesourcery toolchain takes ages to dl.. |
| 16:20.57 | RST38h | *** Jesus Nickname is already in use. |
| 16:21.03 | RST38h | Sorry, Stskeeps |
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| 16:29.43 | Stskeeps | " I feel emotionally attached to Maemo" |
| 16:29.46 | Stskeeps | wtf. |
| 16:30.16 | qwerty12 | I feel Maemo. |
| 16:30.24 | Stskeeps | i want that tshirt. |
| 16:31.47 | RST38h | Anonymous Maemo Addicts |
| 16:32.02 | Stskeeps | i use my tablet at night when i wake up and can't fall asleep |
| 16:32.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:32.12 | RST38h | (that is on the back, the front will say "Will Kill For 3D Acceleration") |
| 16:32.13 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, I use it before I go to sleep :/ |
| 16:32.13 | Stskeeps | "the first thing i think about when i wake up is where my tablet is." |
| 16:32.28 | Stskeeps | .. which ironically comes after when i look for my pants |
| 16:32.38 | qwerty12 | I don't need to because it's next to me when I wake up :p |
| 16:32.46 | Stskeeps | "maemo svn" |
| 16:32.51 | Stskeeps | .. is there a maemo svn? |
| 16:33.16 | Stskeeps | doing this questionare for maemo stuff :P |
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| 16:40.00 | RST38h | "I always know, where, when, and what I will be doing with my tablet." |
| 16:40.35 | RST38h | (btw, that is the third stage of alcoholism - the patient is carefully planning when, where, and with whom he is going to get drunk) |
| 16:40.52 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, what is this? |
| 16:41.19 | vincenzo88 | Goodbye everybody |
| 16:41.32 | GeneralAntilles | Goodbye cruel world |
| 16:41.39 | vincenzo88 | :P |
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| 16:43.14 | GeneralAntilles | Where is X-Fade. . . . |
| 16:44.06 | GeneralAntilles | Well, to the rest of the room: Eero says they're busy with Fremantle stuff, and it's going to take a while to push an updated policy document. So if we've got more changes we want to push, now would be the time to start collecting them. |
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| 16:48.14 | qwerty12 | off topic, but seeing as we are quiet, anyone know of a good wifi usb dongle that works well in Linux? |
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| 16:49.00 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: the questionare on maemo-developers |
| 16:50.02 | Stskeeps | johnx: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/install-MR-sdk (shell script, requires git, sdk, build-essential and other evil things, but does the trick..) in the end, PATH=$HOME/mr-sdk/sb2/bin:$PATH bash, and sb2 away happily |
| 16:50.31 | Stskeeps | some things need to be sb2 -e (emulated) such as apt-get and such, and others are just sb2 dpkg-bulldpackage -rfakeroot -d |
| 16:50.45 | johnx | that is stunningly awesome |
| 16:50.54 | Stskeeps | gets toolchain, compiles qemu, sb2 and sets it all up with a ubuntu rootstrap |
| 16:51.17 | Stskeeps | and even gets the bloody arm architecture (big mistake on mojo's part) right |
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| 16:51.59 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i guess it wasn't directly posted to m-d, but to individual posters |
| 16:52.35 | Stskeeps | johnx: the idea is then to have different targets and such, where it sets up ccflags and such correctly eventually |
| 16:53.20 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, the ETH Zürich one? |
| 16:53.23 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: yeah |
| 16:53.35 | qwerty12 | cool :) |
| 16:54.05 | Stskeeps | johnx: so you can do for instance sb2 -t mr-n800 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d, sb -t mr-zaurus, sb -t mr-pandora etc.. |
| 16:54.47 | johnx | that would be pretty neat |
| 16:55.02 | Stskeeps | and maybe including emulation aliases that way too |
| 16:55.21 | johnx | I guess the mojo guys just patched their version of gcc to optimize for a certain armvN by default |
| 16:55.38 | Stskeeps | no clue :P |
| 16:56.09 | johnx | well they said they did. :) |
| 16:56.25 | johnx | they *might* have lied of course, if they wanted to trick us :D |
| 16:56.35 | Stskeeps | but being able to build packages fast certainly helps for this feat |
| 16:56.47 | Stskeeps | i'll include the sb2 thing in proposal later |
| 16:57.48 | lardman | a2dp |
| 16:58.01 | lardman | was in the lab, catching up on the backlog |
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| 16:58.26 | lardman | the problem with a2dp on Linux is to do with a lack of high precision timers, which mean the music can sound odd |
| 16:58.28 | johnx | I don't think anything terribly new was said |
| 16:58.47 | johnx | and yet it seems to do pretty good on the desktop |
| 16:59.01 | lardman | was someone saying that mp3 is decompressed on DSP then compressed to SBC on DSP? this is wrong, but my goal |
| 16:59.28 | lardman | johnx: probably less chance on the desktop of some other thread stopping it from filling the buffer in time? |
| 16:59.37 | johnx | ah, likely |
| 17:01.49 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, yeah, just got it. |
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| 17:04.38 | lcuk | lardman, does the mp3 frame have to be decompressed then recompressed as stand alone steps - cant you translate one frame from Filemp3->SBC in one swift hand wave? |
| 17:04.55 | lardman | atm mp3 is decompressed on the ARM |
| 17:05.21 | lardman | I'm trying to get an mp3 dsp decoder working so it can all be handled on the dsp, but have been busy doing other things recently |
| 17:05.40 | lcuk | uh huh, lots of busyness everywhere |
| 17:05.59 | lcuk | its ok i misread up there anyway, you were refering to someone else saying that |
| 17:06.41 | lardman | yeah, I thought someone else did say that that's how it worked |
| 17:07.02 | lardman | <RST38h> johnx: So, to play stuff via A2DP, you have to first uncompress mp3 (on DSP), then compress result into A2DP format (on the same DSP) |
| 17:07.47 | zaltair | hi everybody... i am using mplayer, and i can play XVID/MPEG-4, but performance is very bad... well a resolution is 624x352 and frame rate/sec is 24 and the video is 350Mb/52min ... some help pls |
| 17:08.23 | johnx | what type of codec are you using for sound? |
| 17:08.24 | zaltair | yep i running mplayer on N800 |
| 17:08.38 | l7 | hey, did you know mplayer doesn't support processor throttling? |
| 17:09.00 | l7 | CPU is always at 400 when it's active, even when paused |
| 17:09.06 | l7 | even on powersave mode |
| 17:09.11 | lardman | l7: interesting |
| 17:09.11 | zaltair | johnx: i do not know... how can i find that... |
| 17:09.27 | johnx | zaltair, if you run mplaer from the command line |
| 17:09.31 | zaltair | l7: ouch.. that is bad... |
| 17:09.45 | johnx | s/mplaer/mplayer -v your-file.avi/ |
| 17:09.48 | Stskeeps | l7: you should probably watch "stats" instead of current cpu freq |
| 17:09.50 | Stskeeps | gives a better picture |
| 17:10.02 | l7 | it also seem that even on powersave mode, doing various things will push your CPU over 165 |
| 17:10.15 | l7 | Stskeeps: how do i access stats? |
| 17:10.38 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 17:11.02 | l7 | CPU speed seems to be at 328 while playing music with canola or osso-media |
| 17:11.08 | derf | l7: ARM and DSP clocks are linked, so that's not surprising. |
| 17:11.09 | l7 | regardless of powersave |
| 17:11.15 | l7 | hmm |
| 17:11.17 | zaltair | is any quick solution on the web? i haven't time now... i will come later... |
| 17:11.36 | disco_stu | what about playing music with xmms ? |
| 17:11.49 | l7 | maybe that's why tapping causes the CPU to spike to 400 |
| 17:11.54 | l7 | i haven't tested xmms yet |
| 17:11.55 | derf | I think the DSP is hard-coded to run at full speed when it has active tasks, which means that the ARM will be at 333 MHz. |
| 17:12.00 | lardman | l7: starting a dsp task removes any cpufreq modifiers and sticks the dsp to top speed |
| 17:12.08 | johnx | zaltair, don't use aac audio. make sure you use mp3 audio |
| 17:12.08 | Stskeeps | l7: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state |
| 17:12.09 | lardman | ah, too late :) |
| 17:12.37 | l7 | lardman: CPU is only at 328 when using osso though, not 400 |
| 17:13.09 | derf | l7: When the DSP is at full speed, the ARM is only at 333 MHz. |
| 17:13.26 | derf | When the ARM is at 400 MHz, the DSP actually gets clocked down. |
| 17:13.31 | zaltair | ok ... bye... |
| 17:14.55 | Jaffa | Filling in this survey: (another) N810 or Freerunner? |
| 17:15.42 | Stskeeps | i wasn't terribly impressed by the freerunner |
| 17:15.47 | Stskeeps | i would rather want a n810 :P |
| 17:15.56 | GeneralAntilles | I went for the N810. |
| 17:16.02 | RST38h | Jaffa: N810! |
| 17:16.37 | l7 | derf: oh right |
| 17:17.03 | l7 | can i rest time_in_state without a reboot? |
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| 17:17.17 | l7 | s/rest/reset/ |
| 17:17.42 | Jaffa | N810 for the boy, then :) |
| 17:17.47 | Jaffa | Got a nice Sony Ericsson phone |
| 17:18.12 | l7 | what is the best deal for n810s these days? |
| 17:18.28 | l7 | this tablet would be so much handier with a keyboard |
| 17:18.33 | Stskeeps | if i get a n810 my n800 would get passed down to my gf ;> |
| 17:18.56 | l7 | lol, i'd keep my 800 for storage |
| 17:19.27 | Stskeeps | though i'm not convinced since i've gotten her started on a pocket pc now, which fits her purposes |
| 17:19.32 | l7 | the n810 needs a SD slot badly |
| 17:19.59 | Stskeeps | true, i do love my two sd slots |
| 17:20.01 | l7 | or microSD failing that |
| 17:21.04 | l7 | micro to mini SD conversion just seems like a PAIN |
| 17:21.28 | l7 | UGH, CAPS IS STUCK ON MY STOWAWAY KEYBOARD |
| 17:21.29 | RST38h | but you only do it once |
| 17:22.29 | l7 | okay unstuck with a reconnect |
| 17:22.47 | l7 | it's mislabeled |
| 17:23.24 | l7 | oh by the way, does mplayer use the DSP properly? |
| 17:23.42 | l7 | because if it cycles the cpu to 400, it's slowing down the DSP |
| 17:24.04 | l7 | i wonder if it's a recognized bug yet |
| 17:25.42 | lardman | it can't be using the dsp in that case |
| 17:25.57 | lardman | unless you've patched the kernel dvfs |
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| 17:26.10 | l7 | i haven't |
| 17:26.13 | l7 | does that mean it uses more power? |
| 17:26.19 | lardman | no idea |
| 17:26.30 | l7 | hmm |
| 17:26.41 | lardman | actually the dsp should be able to decode mp3 @22MHz (i.e. ARM at 400MHz) |
| 17:26.49 | lardman | s/22/220 |
| 17:27.40 | lardman | cu later chaps |
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| 17:29.44 | GeneralAntilles | With mplayer, you're better off with 400MHz and no DSP. |
| 17:29.56 | GeneralAntilles | Serge knows what he's doing, l7. :) |
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| 17:32.23 | suihkulokki | re: survey - do we really have 4 different accounts on maemo.org ? |
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| 17:33.47 | GeneralAntilles | suihkulokki, wiki and Garage are the same. |
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| 17:33.54 | GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla is separate. |
| 17:34.55 | qwerty12 | reformats my Intrepid partition and downgrades to Hardy |
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| 17:39.59 | Proteous | reformats his occipital lobe and downgrades to brainstem |
| 17:40.44 | Stskeeps | what's maemo SVN anyway? :P stage? |
| 17:42.07 | qwerty12 | I guess for the stuff that is made public... mce is on garage so I would presume it uses the svn services of garage and maybe on some internal nokia links? |
| 17:42.48 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 17:45.11 | RST38h | qwerty: Wha't wrong with Ibex? |
| 17:45.45 | Proteous | Ibex ate all the marshmellows, I had to shoot him |
| 17:45.45 | Proteous | sorry |
| 17:48.15 | qwerty12 | RST38h, It won't read my sysctl.conf on each boot like Hardy did (although that is lazyness on my part as it wouldn't take long to write a quick script that init runs) but the showstopper for me is ndiswrapper is even more retarded for me. After a while in Hardy, I continually lose connection and NM doesn't make it easy for me to connect in the first place. I uninstalled networkmanager and wrote (correct) settings in /etc/network/interf |
| 17:48.15 | qwerty12 | aces for manually connecting and I still can't get a connection. So I'm saying fuck it and going back to what works for me. |
| 17:49.03 | GNUton | Hi there |
| 17:49.39 | RST38h | you need a ndiswrapper? evil. |
| 17:50.35 | qwerty12 | yep :P.I'm being a tramp by not buying a nice linux supported wifi dongle but this one works really well for me in windows, so *shrug* |
| 17:51.28 | l7 | GeneralAntilles: heh okay, i'll take your word for it |
| 17:51.49 | l7 | now to see if there's any other programs wasting my batteries |
| 17:52.05 | l7 | is time_in_state measured in milliseconds? |
| 17:53.40 | l7 | actually it looks like 100ths of a second maybe |
| 17:54.24 | RST38h | why no real driver? |
| 17:55.04 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: btw xserver-xorg-video-omapfb, - control mentions the nvidia driver? :P |
| 17:55.14 | Stskeeps | l7: ticks maybe |
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| 17:56.04 | qwerty12 | RST38h, The one supporting the chipset in my wifi dongle doesn't actually support the actual dongle itself. No idea what's up with that :P. I'm starting to take quite a liking to FreeBSD out of curiosity now so I may end up plugging my computer directly into the router by ethernet :P |
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| 17:59.28 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: guess what I used as a template? :) |
| 18:00.20 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: hehe ;) |
| 18:02.30 | Stskeeps | continues trying to get the how and why of sb2 |
| 18:04.57 | RST38h | Sts: btw current version has some problems on Ibex |
| 18:05.10 | RST38h | It will not see /media/* stuff from inside sb2 |
| 18:05.21 | Stskeeps | RST38h: k - not on ibex (yet) though |
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| 18:14.04 | disco_stu | people |
| 18:14.28 | disco_stu | i'm about to flash the tablet |
| 18:14.42 | disco_stu | i have to grab the flasher only |
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| 18:27.49 | disco_stu | stupid battery isnt full |
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| 18:33.27 | l7 | is it that important for the battery to be full? |
| 18:33.45 | disco_stu | dunno.. the wiki says so |
| 18:33.57 | timeless | if you're flashing your device and there isn't enough charge, you could brick it |
| 18:34.30 | l7 | i've flashed at 50 to 60 before with no issues |
| 18:34.38 | timeless | if you're trying to run off a/c (don't), you could accidentally lose power (trip over cable) or lose it because of a power failure, which could lead to a bricked device |
| 18:34.47 | RST38h | that is because your battery has been full enough |
| 18:34.50 | disco_stu | but for 30secs of flashing no much battery is needed i think |
| 18:34.54 | l7 | hmm |
| 18:35.03 | l7 | yeah |
| 18:35.17 | timeless | remember: if the docs say to have your device charged, and you don't follow them, nokia care is under little obligation to fix your device when you call crying that you bricked it against the instructions |
| 18:35.31 | RST38h | but of course you are welcome to experiment by cutting power supply while flashing |
| 18:35.39 | timeless | when playing russian roulette w/ a gun, you might be able to aim the gun at your head 5 times |
| 18:35.50 | timeless | if you happen to spin the chamber, you might get even more shots |
| 18:35.55 | timeless | but you might also die. |
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| 18:36.05 | timeless | why play russian roulette if you don't need to? |
| 18:36.25 | disco_stu | for fun |
| 18:36.27 | disco_stu | lol |
| 18:36.52 | disco_stu | if i turn on the tablet is says battery full, if i turn it off it starts charging |
| 18:36.54 | disco_stu | :S |
| 18:37.31 | disco_stu | that is stupid |
| 18:38.02 | disco_stu | infobot: what do you think about ? |
| 18:38.31 | disco_stu | thinks bot is crap |
| 18:39.02 | disco_stu | now is full |
| 18:39.04 | disco_stu | yeea |
| 18:39.28 | disco_stu | i dont want to reinstall everything |
| 18:39.44 | disco_stu | but guess improvements are worth |
| 18:43.28 | l7 | well i'm not about to experiment by cutting power during a reflash, that is absurd |
| 18:43.41 | l7 | but i do think the docs are overly conservative |
| 18:43.51 | timeless | http://viper.haque.net/~timeless/blog/153/ |
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| 18:44.00 | timeless | i'll polish that later |
| 18:44.06 | timeless | please don't circulate it too widely |
| 18:44.12 | timeless | it needs art, more words, etc. |
| 18:44.25 | l7 | if you know what you're doing, you know how much power is required and how much of a charge your battery has, you should be able to flash at less than full charge with no issues |
| 18:44.30 | disco_stu | i ended flashinh |
| 18:44.32 | timeless | and yes, i know 147 is the latest one i've published |
| 18:44.35 | disco_stu | flashing :) |
| 18:44.41 | GeneralAntilles | Does Nokia happen to have any file-footage on hand of a char-broiled N810? ;) |
| 18:44.44 | timeless | 148..152 (-150) are in need of reviews |
| 18:44.45 | l7 | i'd rather have the knowledge, that's the point of playing with linux |
| 18:45.00 | timeless | GAN: heh, i think we have some devices that don't boot |
| 18:45.04 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i flashed to diable |
| 18:45.07 | timeless | i'm not quite sure i want to bother video'ing them |
| 18:45.19 | timeless | anyway, night |
| 18:45.30 | timeless | darn, i missed my movie |
| 18:45.54 | timeless | is max payne any good? |
| 18:46.05 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't gotten around to seeing it yet |
| 18:46.05 | timeless | decides to aim for it |
| 18:46.10 | GeneralAntilles | My suspicion is that I'm going to hate it |
| 18:46.15 | GeneralAntilles | since I absolutely love the game. |
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| 18:47.13 | l7 | anyway, if you brick the device, you should be able to just flash it again shouldn't you? |
| 18:47.26 | GeneralAntilles | Wrong definition of brick |
| 18:47.35 | Grackle | Hey, it's not a Uwe Boll production, it might have a chance. |
| 18:47.40 | GeneralAntilles | If you screw up NOLO, then you wont be able to flash it again. |
| 18:47.49 | GeneralAntilles | That said, flashing occurs at about 5MB/sec |
| 18:47.50 | l7 | NOLO? |
| 18:47.54 | GeneralAntilles | and NOLO is about 9KB in total |
| 18:48.00 | GeneralAntilles | NOkia LOader |
| 18:48.02 | GeneralAntilles | The bootloader |
| 18:48.11 | GeneralAntilles | The software that actually handles the flashing procedure device-side. |
| 18:48.41 | l7 | ah, so that specific part of the nokia software, the loader is critical |
| 18:49.07 | GeneralAntilles | So it's about a 2ms window you have to irreversibly screw up your device. |
| 18:49.17 | timeless | any window is still a window |
| 18:49.20 | timeless | someone will manage to find it |
| 18:49.32 | timeless | the more chances you take the better the odds that the someone is you |
| 18:49.39 | l7 | what can you do to fix the tablet if you do somehow screw up NOLO? |
| 18:49.46 | timeless | buy a new one |
| 18:50.10 | qwerty12_N800 | It's probably easier messing up the tablet when it is actually booted. |
| 18:50.21 | l7 | strange that there's no recovery mode for the tablet |
| 18:50.34 | GeneralAntilles | l7, build a serial cable to cold flash. |
| 18:50.35 | timeless | l7: imagine performing brain surgery |
| 18:50.35 | qwerty12_N800 | than compared to flashing that is |
| 18:50.44 | timeless | some things are safer than others |
| 18:50.50 | GeneralAntilles | l7, there is, it's just not recoverable over USB. |
| 18:50.57 | timeless | but if you manage to tick the right part (brain stem), you have a braindead being |
| 18:51.09 | l7 | anyway, so after that 2ms window, if you tablet loses power during the flash, you can just reflash the tablet? |
| 18:51.17 | l7 | s/you/your/ |
| 18:51.25 | timeless | l7: if you can figure out where that window is |
| 18:51.31 | GeneralAntilles | With some parts and some small familiarity with electronics, cold flashing isn't particularly difficult. |
| 18:51.44 | timeless | plus you're assuming that usb is doing 5MB/s |
| 18:51.52 | GeneralAntilles | NOLO is flashed first |
| 18:51.54 | timeless | if you're stupid and use a usb1 jack (which i believe works) |
| 18:52.03 | timeless | then you're probably not getting 5MB/s |
| 18:52.31 | l7 | timeless: you're really being excessive about this |
| 18:52.44 | l7 | assuming the user is a moron |
| 18:52.49 | GeneralAntilles | Better to be excessive and not have people come crying about bricked devices. ;) |
| 18:52.50 | timeless | l7: i've met enough users |
| 18:52.54 | GeneralAntilles | Users _are_ morons. |
| 18:53.02 | l7 | timeless: do you work for nokia or something? |
| 18:53.08 | timeless | i happen to |
| 18:53.17 | timeless | but my opinion predates my existing employment contract |
| 18:53.32 | timeless | and my opinion isn't official policy |
| 18:53.38 | disco_stu | i see no difference between chinook and diablo |
| 18:53.41 | lcuk | but working for nokia has nothing to do with common sense and following instructions when required |
| 18:53.43 | timeless | but if you do something that voids the warrantee |
| 18:53.47 | disco_stu | and im missing the whole apps i had installed |
| 18:53.50 | disco_stu | dammit !!! |
| 18:54.00 | l7 | timeless: what do you do at nokia? |
| 18:54.02 | timeless | then you can't really expect the vendor to do much when you break it |
| 18:54.11 | timeless | l7: that's not particularly relevant here |
| 18:54.12 | RST38h | disco <-- another example of moron user =) |
| 18:54.14 | timeless | i don't work on hardware |
| 18:54.17 | l7 | heh |
| 18:54.21 | GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, install all the SSU updates then try the browser. |
| 18:54.23 | lcuk | hiya timeless, gen, rst etc |
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| 18:54.29 | timeless | hi lcuk |
| 18:54.46 | timeless | anyway, there's a movie i want to watch |
| 18:54.51 | lcuk | hopes for a less stressfull night |
| 18:54.59 | timeless | has already missed a few movies tonight |
| 18:55.06 | l7 | anyway, my point is that it's helpful to know the details of such instructions about flashing |
| 18:55.13 | RST38h | lcuk: less stressful than what? |
| 18:55.17 | timeless | l7: i doubt it |
| 18:55.19 | disco_stu | timeless what time is there ? |
| 18:55.29 | l7 | rather than being issued a vague warning that you must always do what the instructions say without doing why |
| 18:55.31 | timeless | do instructions on how to use a gun prevent people from killing themselves? |
| 18:55.43 | l7 | your gun analogy is erroneous |
| 18:55.47 | lcuk | rst, had a meh! kind of night last night with loads of things rolling around my head |
| 18:55.47 | timeless | http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/10/27/boy_8_dies_after_accidental_shooting_at_gun_club/ |
| 18:56.07 | timeless | it's 4'till 9p |
| 18:56.15 | timeless | movie is 9:15p i hope |
| 18:56.17 | l7 | if i wanted to be kept in the dark and told nothing about how the device works, i'd buy an iphone |
| 18:56.20 | timeless | it's a 15min run |
| 18:56.30 | timeless | the iphone has the same warning |
| 18:56.32 | timeless | thanks :) |
| 18:56.35 | timeless | (so does the ipod) |
| 18:56.40 | RST38h | lcuk: you should lose yourself in prayer to the Green One - it will improve your concentration and bloodlust! =) |
| 18:56.43 | lcuk | timeless, what are you goin watching? |
| 18:56.48 | timeless | max payne |
| 18:56.50 | lcuk | green one? |
| 18:56.55 | l7 | i have an ipod, there's no such warning about flashing actually |
| 18:56.57 | lcuk | ahhh cool |
| 18:57.23 | RST38h | lcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu |
| 18:57.23 | lcuk | l7, the logo on the screen that says "do not unplug or turn off whilst updating" isnt there is it not? |
| 18:57.28 | lcuk | it certainly is on the ipod |
| 18:57.31 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: says no updates are available |
| 18:57.40 | GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, oh, right. |
| 18:57.45 | GeneralAntilles | They finally released 36-5 |
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| 18:57.53 | l7 | lcuk: it doesn't say anything about charging the battery to full before flashing though |
| 18:57.56 | GeneralAntilles | You're seriously telling me you don't notice a difference between Chinook and Diablo, though? |
| 18:58.00 | GeneralAntilles | Application Manager is way better |
| 18:58.05 | GeneralAntilles | the browser is way better |
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| 18:58.09 | GeneralAntilles | Modest is the default email client now |
| 18:58.14 | disco_stu | yes that is the one i flashed |
| 18:58.20 | l7 | this is a stupid argument anyway |
| 18:58.25 | GeneralAntilles | l7, because it charges over USB |
| 18:58.32 | disco_stu | what repos should i use ? |
| 18:58.47 | GeneralAntilles | ~extras |
| 18:58.48 | infobot | [extras] http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 18:58.51 | disco_stu | oh extras is disabled |
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| 18:59.30 | disco_stu | i'll remove stupid content now |
| 18:59.56 | RST38h | has got a teleconference in 15 minutes |
| 19:01.09 | GeneralAntilles | fiddles with RST38h's router. |
| 19:01.20 | lcuk | get a room! |
| 19:01.22 | RST38h | Router? What router? I am using plain old landline. |
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| 19:02.18 | RST38h | Go fiddle with that, if giant carnivorous albino rats don't get you first =) |
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| 19:03.31 | lcuk | sends RST38h a captain crunch whistle |
| 19:04.26 | RST38h | Prolly won't work here, with most pbxes still using pulse by d |
| 19:04.31 | RST38h | efault |
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| 19:07.11 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: you're right app manager is very nice now |
| 19:09.09 | GeneralAntilles | ;) |
| 19:14.52 | l7 | what's new in app manager in diablo? |
| 19:15.26 | disco_stu | it is improved |
| 19:15.37 | disco_stu | in speed mostly |
| 19:15.41 | qwerty12_N800 | fixes, speed improvments, long version numbers don't mess up the display of apps |
| 19:16.29 | l7 | hmm |
| 19:16.34 | l7 | any new features? |
| 19:16.40 | disco_stu | where the hell is osso-xterm |
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| 19:17.04 | qwerty12_N800 | same place it always is on a new flash |
| 19:17.44 | l7 | i always move it to my selections |
| 19:17.44 | disco_stu | right |
| 19:18.06 | l7 | god knows why it's buried in utilities or whereever |
| 19:18.17 | GeneralAntilles | l7, stability, speed, small usability improvements all over. |
| 19:18.49 | l7 | refinement is good |
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| 19:19.12 | l7 | i was wondering if the search or log features were new since i rarely use them |
| 19:19.25 | disco_stu | no |
| 19:19.55 | l7 | i didn't use app mamanger for several months before switching to diablo |
| 19:19.56 | mgedmin | search? |
| 19:19.59 | mgedmin | app manager has search? |
| 19:20.05 | l7 | yeah |
| 19:20.09 | mgedmin | 8-) |
| 19:20.14 | disco_stu | for browsing i use links2 so i dont care about the speed improvements of microb |
| 19:20.15 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 19:20.23 | GeneralAntilles | It's not all that useful, unfortunately. |
| 19:20.30 | l7 | kinda iffy since it's hard to know what you wna to search for |
| 19:20.42 | mgedmin | xchat ; |
| 19:20.44 | disco_stu | apt-cache search |
| 19:20.48 | mgedmin | bye all! |
| 19:20.51 | disco_stu | is better for pkg search |
| 19:20.57 | l7 | arer the maemo repo categories ever going to be cleaned up by the way? |
| 19:21.31 | GeneralAntilles | l7, http://maemo.org/community/council/view/1225812124/ http://communitizer.blogspot.com/2008/11/packaging-policy-change-proposal.html |
| 19:21.33 | l7 | i always click on All and then just browse the huge list |
| 19:22.00 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: are you half a bot ? |
| 19:22.12 | l7 | heh |
| 19:22.42 | disco_stu | is awesome hoy the guy answers immediatly with concise and concrete info |
| 19:22.59 | disco_stu | good work man |
| 19:23.14 | GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, nah, I just happened to have been actively pushing the new categories for the past few weeks. ;) |
| 19:23.21 | GeneralAntilles | The first link there is mine. :) |
| 19:23.29 | disco_stu | lol |
| 19:23.52 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles is not half bot, in 5 years he becomes skynet |
| 19:24.08 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk's the one I'm going to terminate. |
| 19:24.30 | lcuk | :O |
| 19:24.32 | qwerty12_N800 | We want liqbase! |
| 19:24.44 | l7 | ah that blogspot post is interesting |
| 19:24.47 | lcuk | all your liqbase are belong to you :) |
| 19:24.57 | GeneralAntilles | Terminator: lcuk's Mom's Chronicles |
| 19:25.44 | lcuk | too' many' quotes' i think' and mom is misspelt |
| 19:25.48 | lcuk | hiya qwerty12_N800 |
| 19:25.55 | qwerty12_N800 | hey lcuk |
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| 19:26.21 | GeneralAntilles | There are no "Mums" in the US. :P |
| 19:26.37 | qwerty12_N800 | finds saying Mum embarrassing :p |
| 19:27.05 | disco_stu | go say milf then |
| 19:27.06 | lcuk | got called "uncle daddy" the other night by jacob |
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| 19:27.32 | qwerty12_N800 | actually, me & friends downloaded contacts of a classmate and lol'ed when we found "mummy" |
| 19:27.45 | qwerty12_N800 | disco_stu, nah :p |
| 19:28.26 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I called my father by his first name for about 3 years when I was really young. |
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| 19:28.52 | lcuk | actually jake called me gary for ages - i always thought of maggy simpson |
| 19:29.51 | lcuk | the uncle daddy one was cute though (neice was there and she is "uncle gary" n "auntie tracy" n stuff |
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| 19:30.06 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:30.13 | GeneralAntilles | How old is he? |
| 19:30.51 | lcuk | hes 6, but is a bit behind on his peers |
| 19:31.10 | lcuk | complete opposite to luke, who was walking and talkin before he was 1 |
| 19:31.52 | lcuk | mind you, jake has major setback right at the start of school - broke one leg and was laid up for ages, then a week after getting the plaster off broke the other one :S |
| 19:32.07 | Grackle | Wow, what happened? o.o |
| 19:32.11 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously |
| 19:32.15 | GeneralAntilles | How do you break your leg at 6? |
| 19:32.18 | lcuk | yeah, we still have the casts |
| 19:32.23 | lcuk | he was much younger |
| 19:32.40 | lcuk | was just walking home and collapsed under him |
| 19:32.51 | lcuk | hes a delicate little flower :) |
| 19:33.55 | GeneralAntilles | Ouch |
| 19:33.58 | GeneralAntilles | has yet to break a bone. |
| 19:34.10 | lcuk | same here - though i have dislocated my hip |
| 19:34.20 | lcuk | i woke up one morning and my foot was pointing the wrong way |
| 19:34.53 | qwerty12_N800 | was just unlucky then, i had an operation as soon as i was born :p |
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| 19:35.09 | disco_stu | lcuk: i think you dream being a power ranger |
| 19:35.11 | lcuk | what for? |
| 19:35.29 | lcuk | heh disco_stu i think i got tied up inside my duvet and turned over |
| 19:35.38 | disco_stu | lol |
| 19:35.48 | disco_stu | no megazord that time |
| 19:35.52 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, club foot. now i look like a tosser each time i walk :p |
| 19:36.43 | lcuk | but can you wear normal shoes? |
| 19:36.55 | disco_stu | diablo changed the name of the stock wallpapers |
| 19:37.08 | disco_stu | thats not polite |
| 19:37.19 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, yeah, i'm lucky in that regard :) |
| 19:37.23 | lcuk | makes you look around the system and reinvestiage things |
| 19:38.00 | lcuk | yeah qwerty, every time you tihnk you are odd just smile and think how it wouldv been without the surgery |
| 19:38.00 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: i have a doubt |
| 19:38.28 | qwerty12_N800 | :) |
| 19:38.28 | lcuk | mind you, you wouldv won every wrestling match "faheem and the flighting clubfoot" |
| 19:38.33 | disco_stu | to enter maemo council one needs to speak fluid Klingon ? |
| 19:38.40 | lcuk | "omg hes taken him down with the cheezehit" |
| 19:38.41 | qwerty12_N800 | hehe :P |
| 19:40.55 | GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, nah, you just gotta whore yourself all over the neighborhood. |
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| 19:42.35 | disco_stu | lol |
| 19:44.21 | lcuk | i need to get myself a large format tablet |
| 19:44.52 | disco_stu | heyyyyy |
| 19:44.57 | disco_stu | i found something new |
| 19:45.08 | disco_stu | dunno if it was in chinook |
| 19:45.21 | disco_stu | the keyboard understands gestures |
| 19:46.17 | disco_stu | nobody ? |
| 19:47.01 | lcuk | im waiting for you to explain, i did look at my n810 keyboard and wonder how it would work |
| 19:47.14 | disco_stu | on screen keyboard |
| 19:47.20 | disco_stu | i was using xterm |
| 19:47.30 | qwerty12_N800 | it was in chinook afaik. input method was updated but biggest difference from chinook was that it can now tell if you tapped an input field with a finger or stylus. |
| 19:47.41 | disco_stu | no no |
| 19:47.46 | disco_stu | not that |
| 19:47.52 | disco_stu | you tap on a letter |
| 19:48.13 | qwerty12_N800 | in chinook. |
| 19:48.16 | disco_stu | and without untaping |
| 19:48.25 | disco_stu | you move to the right |
| 19:48.29 | disco_stu | or left |
| 19:48.38 | qwerty12_N800 | letter down sends a return etc |
| 19:48.46 | disco_stu | yes |
| 19:49.06 | disco_stu | up does shift |
| 19:49.12 | disco_stu | like with xvkbd |
| 19:50.03 | qwerty12_N800 | the letter down one annoys me actually. /me should set up an sbox again soon and recompile the him with that gesture removed. |
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| 19:50.33 | disco_stu | handwriting is improved also |
| 19:50.48 | lcuk | could not configure handwriting properly |
| 19:52.29 | GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, gestures have been there since OS2005 |
| 19:52.37 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, that was just fixing a regression from Bora. ;) |
| 19:53.17 | disco_stu | gpe calendar is missing |
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| 19:55.18 | disco_stu | GeneralAntilles: wich is the best solution to achieve root acces in the nit ? |
| 19:55.29 | GeneralAntilles | ~root-access |
| 19:55.30 | infobot | methinks root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 19:55.32 | disco_stu | in chinook i modified sudoers file |
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| 19:55.35 | GeneralAntilles | rootsh is what I like |
| 19:55.46 | GeneralAntilles | Install sudser from Extras if you want to use sudo. |
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| 19:57.58 | disco_stu | i see the app manager being slower to start downloading new pkgs |
| 19:58.22 | lcuk | might just be right now, you could have net slowdown |
| 19:58.29 | disco_stu | no i dont |
| 19:58.38 | disco_stu | im looking at my router |
| 19:58.45 | lcuk | what about their router? |
| 19:59.12 | disco_stu | they are suppose to have a huge conection |
| 19:59.14 | disco_stu | .D |
| 19:59.15 | disco_stu | :D |
| 19:59.38 | disco_stu | damn i have to go to college in half an hour |
| 19:59.40 | lcuk | yes, and i was supposed to have a flying car by now |
| 20:00.12 | qwerty12_N800 | lcuk, i've had to delay your order :( |
| 20:00.19 | disco_stu | lcuk: are you up to fluber either ? |
| 20:00.28 | lcuk | shucks! |
| 20:00.51 | lcuk | fluber? |
| 20:01.10 | disco_stu | you know |
| 20:01.28 | disco_stu | the greenish thing that bounces |
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| 20:02.06 | lcuk | ohhh flubber, i read it like foo bar |
| 20:02.38 | lcuk | no, ive got a plastic bag and some pieces of cotton |
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| 20:03.01 | disco_stu | are you planning a kidnap or something ? |
| 20:03.02 | lcuk | though last time i tried it, something went wrong and I plumetted down the stairs |
| 20:03.53 | disco_stu | i dont like the stupid analog clock |
| 20:04.00 | lcuk | then click it and change it |
| 20:04.08 | lcuk | has written a new clock |
| 20:04.37 | qwerty12_N800 | with time machine functionality? |
| 20:04.57 | RST38h | will it downgrade to chinook too? |
| 20:05.07 | disco_stu | with a flux cappacitor ? |
| 20:06.56 | lcuk | qwerty, no i had to remove that part, the flux capacitor caused too much battery drain |
| 20:07.14 | lcuk | RST38h, downgrade? i believe most of liqbase is version agnostic |
| 20:07.27 | qwerty12_N800 | :( |
| 20:08.02 | GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, you can change the clock in Clock |
| 20:08.32 | lcuk | click the clock |
| 20:08.41 | disco_stu | thanks |
| 20:09.01 | disco_stu | im missing ettercap now |
| 20:09.12 | disco_stu | with that i'll be ready to go |
| 20:09.36 | RST38h | lcuk: Not the liqbase, the time machine! |
| 20:10.07 | lcuk | no, the time machine only operates in the present |
| 20:10.23 | lcuk | and only when you have a gps lock |
| 20:10.33 | lcuk | hence, ive not managed to test it yet |
| 20:11.30 | qwerty12_N800 | ? I heard the gps in the N810 is military standard. |
| 20:12.37 | lcuk | i jest, its actually been quite reliable most days ive used it |
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| 20:12.55 | lcuk | though we did get to our destination before it locked one ady |
| 20:13.14 | qwerty12_N800 | :p. I'd never buy a N810 personally for the gps |
| 20:13.25 | RST38h | gps isn't a person |
| 20:13.33 | RST38h | ;) |
| 20:13.49 | lcuk | then who tells me to take the 3rd exit at the turning circle? |
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| 20:14.02 | lcuk | and to turn round cos i dont know where the feck im going |
| 20:14.20 | disco_stu | lcuk: your GF ? |
| 20:14.22 | disco_stu | mine does.. |
| 20:14.27 | RST38h | The Electric Woman treacherously confined to the little plastic box by evil Chinese |
| 20:14.29 | disco_stu | yelling .. |
| 20:14.49 | lcuk | tracytracy has been a very reliable map reader for a long time |
| 20:15.25 | lcuk | disco_stu, doesnt she have a mute button |
| 20:15.43 | RST38h | btw, DOW is -427 tonight |
| 20:16.00 | RST38h | lcuk: does yours have a mute button? |
| 20:16.25 | Stskeeps | ponders idly why there is political stuff on planet maemo |
| 20:16.27 | disco_stu | lcuk: yes but is hard to find |
| 20:16.32 | Stskeeps | (not that i dont agree but still..) |
| 20:16.46 | lcuk | yes, i just have to insert the smart card into her purse and she shuts up ;) |
| 20:17.15 | disco_stu | lcuk: thats one of the ways |
| 20:17.17 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, because we haven't thumbed it into the ground enough yet. |
| 20:17.25 | GeneralAntilles | and thoughtfix wonders why he gets negative karma. . . . |
| 20:17.46 | disco_stu | well fellows |
| 20:17.51 | disco_stu | see you tonight |
| 20:18.06 | disco_stu | thanks for your valuable help and company |
| 20:18.11 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, you should write an expose for those poor Electric Women. |
| 20:18.36 | lcuk | disco_stu, my invoice is in the post |
| 20:18.45 | GeneralAntilles | $999 USD |
| 20:18.54 | lcuk | per comment |
| 20:19.11 | lcuk | might make you a couple of gen ;) |
| 20:19.20 | GeneralAntilles | All sales are final, workmanship is not guaranteed and additional support costs $9.99 per minute. |
| 20:19.57 | lcuk | right im off |
| 20:19.58 | qwerty12_N800 | Where do I order?!? |
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| 20:20.46 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800 would make the perfect infommercial actor. |
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| 20:21.10 | qwerty12_N800 | hah :P |
| 20:21.13 | RST38h | General: Only when I manage to get the photos! |
| 20:21.28 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 20:21.43 | GeneralAntilles | It has the feel of an Onion article |
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| 20:23.01 | RST38h | Onion is the last reliable news source out there |
| 20:23.29 | RST38h | except that sometimes it reports on the future events. |
| 20:23.49 | qwerty12_N800 | read it as least but then realised it really was last |
| 20:24.14 | GeneralAntilles | Well, that too. ;) |
| 20:26.39 | GeneralAntilles | Started working on this if somebody wants to jump in: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints |
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| 20:29.14 | RST38h | SCRUM refers to software development process. Sprint meetings are mainly policy-related afaik |
| 20:29.28 | RST38h | Not sure if it applies |
| 20:29.38 | GeneralAntilles | Wiki doesn't really think so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCRUM |
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| 20:32.18 | RST38h | Scrum is an iterative incremental process of software development |
| 20:32.26 | RST38h | first sentence on that page |
| 20:32.53 | GeneralAntilles | Is exactly what we're doing, yes. |
| 20:32.59 | RST38h | mm...ok |
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| 20:59.52 | RST38h | BTW, gentlemen, any news on qalculator for Maemo? Qwerty? |
| 21:01.31 | qwerty12_N800 | RST38h, waited ages for it to compile and watched it segfault upon startup :p. That was gtk version though, I never tried the qt version. |
| 21:01.54 | RST38h | well, gtk will be more useful at the moment |
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| 21:09.46 | suihkulokki | Stskeeps: ts_read gives sensible coordinates, but in X the values seem to grow rapidly out of screen |
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| 21:19.01 | StsN800 | suihkulokki, use calibration values from xomap? |
| 21:19.17 | StsN800 | pointercal that is |
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| 21:23.43 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to remind me of the default application menu folders? |
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| 21:25.33 | suihkulokki | StsN800: I am |
| 21:27.08 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: My selection, Internet, Communication, Utilities, Settings, Extras |
| 21:27.17 | Jaffa | now leaves work. Only 21:30. |
| 21:27.19 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks |
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| 21:29.09 | StsN800 | suihkulokki, hm, weird. ts_cal with fb update mode auto maybe |
| 21:32.40 | qwerty12_N800 | GeneralAntilles, You forgot the xterm! It's the best way of launching apps :p |
| 21:33.02 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N800, feel free to elaborate if the mood catches you. ;) |
| 21:33.43 | qwerty12_N800 | Hmm, I think I'll pass :P. |
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| 22:02.29 | JasonWoof | I open the browser an get the [ O Updating ] thing forever |
| 22:02.53 | JasonWoof | I can open the menu, but clicking settings does nothing |
| 22:03.02 | JasonWoof | doesn't matter if I open a blank page, or a bookmark |
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| 22:04.54 | suihkulokki | StsN800: had tested that already. Apparently the problem is that the xf86-input-tslib told X it had a 320x200 screen and X tries to scale that... |
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| 22:06.31 | StsN800 | ah |
| 22:10.45 | suihkulokki | so now it works I hacked in the defaults to 800x480 |
| 22:12.09 | lcuk | suihkulokki, is it feasible to operate in arbitrary RGB resolution scaled to fullscreen? |
| 22:12.27 | lcuk | in Xv I have this ability, but I thought it was lacking on the RGB side |
| 22:12.42 | lcuk | ie limited to pixel doubling only |
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| 22:14.40 | suihkulokki | honestly.. no idea :) |
| 22:14.52 | lcuk | heh |
| 22:15.14 | lcuk | would be nice to find out and see what the maximum tear tree rgb resolution would be |
| 22:15.54 | lcuk | it would help with a software opengl to know that we don't have to render 800*480 |
| 22:16.34 | suihkulokki | I presume there's nothing stopping one creating a RGB Xv window and just SHM'n the game there |
| 22:16.51 | lcuk | not thinking of games :) |
| 22:17.03 | lcuk | well, unless you can make games in clutter |
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| 22:53.07 | penguinbait | qwerty you around? |
| 22:53.28 | penguinbait | QWERTY!! |
| 22:55.09 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N800 ;) |
| 22:55.22 | Stskeeps | since he's probably on xchat, it'll highlight |
| 22:56.43 | penguinbait | Its not like its busy enough to miss in here :) |
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| 23:15.32 | Stskeeps | stretches and gets cracking on rewriting the sdk section of reconstructed. |
| 23:17.59 | penguinbait | I got an email from a guy in Au that wants me to build Android for about 5 windows mobile phones, wants to launch by dec 5th |
| 23:18.54 | penguinbait | I went to his website and he has already announced it will be available for 199 by christmas |
| 23:19.15 | penguinbait | hahahaha |
| 23:19.33 | penguinbait | http://www.kogan.com.au/ |
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| 23:23.52 | GeneralAntilles | t_s_o, yes, Karel's right. Congress was pushing for more high-risk loans to help stimulate the economy. |
| 23:24.27 | GeneralAntilles | That said, there aint anybody involved with clean hands, no matter what they say. |
| 23:24.30 | doc|home | GeneralAntilles: *was*? What do you think the bailout package was expected to do? :/ |
| 23:24.34 | t_s_o | heh, guess it shows that i have not been following the news much lately... |
| 23:24.50 | GeneralAntilles | Shit don't get this bad unless everybody's helping it along. ;) |
| 23:25.00 | doc|home | GeneralAntilles: it's not even started :/ |
| 23:25.02 | t_s_o | simple greed ;) |
| 23:25.12 | doc|home | t_s_o: mixed with politics |
| 23:25.20 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 23:25.24 | GeneralAntilles | Greed isn't a bad thing. |
| 23:25.29 | doc|home | it was greenspan who put interest rates so far in the first place |
| 23:25.32 | GeneralAntilles | The world wouldn't be where it is today without greed. |
| 23:25.34 | doc|home | er, so low |
| 23:25.43 | t_s_o | doc|home: and maybe an attempt or two of buying ones way up the social food chain ;) |
| 23:26.18 | doc|home | t_s_o: meh, I don't care much about that once they're not using my money to do it and once they take the hit when they screw up, which sadly is not the case. |
| 23:26.59 | smackpotato | im going to stimulate the economy when i buy a car next week. everyone should do the same |
| 23:27.09 | doc|home | smackpotato: you buying with debt? |
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| 23:27.13 | t_s_o | thinking about resources rushes like gold fevers there GeneralAntilles? |
| 23:27.37 | doc|home | t_s_o: speculation's a good thing, it redirects resources |
| 23:27.41 | smackpotato | na noone will give me credit i have cash |
| 23:27.59 | doc|home | smackpotato: even then you're using debt, all currency is debt these days |
| 23:28.37 | doc|home | since they killed the gold standard they say what backs the US dollar is the strength of the US economy. Scary, don't you think? |
| 23:28.38 | smackpotato | not my dept im getting ride of someone elses dept to me |
| 23:28.44 | t_s_o | doc|home: to be honest, modern economics gives me a headache. it seems to be built out of one dream cloud stacked on top of another... |
| 23:28.58 | doc|home | t_s_o: yep, that's pretty much the case |
| 23:29.11 | doc|home | "here, take some paper, it might even still be worth something next year" |
| 23:29.49 | t_s_o | problem is that im willing to be anything goes back to physics in the end, and that means that pesky law of thermodynamics... |
| 23:29.59 | t_s_o | bet |
| 23:30.35 | doc|home | t_s_o: yeah, why do you think the gold standard keeps popping up every time people realise paper money is worth just that, paper? :) |
| 23:30.48 | doc|home | (or silver, or whatever) |
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| 23:31.47 | smackpotato | the total finantial system depends on a small amount of gold deposit at the world bank from all countrys execept britain us and switerland they have there on currancys on deposit |
| 23:32.02 | t_s_o | its something physical, not some multi-tier mental excercise |
| 23:32.05 | doc|home | smackpotato: that isn't even true |
| 23:32.10 | doc|home | smackpotato: there is no gold standard now |
| 23:32.16 | doc|home | it's all paper |
| 23:32.31 | doc|home | they do have some gold, but just as a worst case scenario, there's no ratio of gold to paper |
| 23:32.44 | doc|home | so there's no limit as to how much paper they print |
| 23:32.54 | smackpotato | not true? now ill have to google that |
| 23:32.56 | t_s_o | or if there is, its 0,000+e5000:1 |
| 23:33.09 | doc|home | hehe |
| 23:33.18 | t_s_o | and i probably messed up that one |
| 23:34.34 | smackpotato | has anyone tried a usb sound card with a 770 |
| 23:34.48 | doc|home | smackpotato: would the kernel have drivers? |
| 23:34.59 | doc|home | expects they wouldn't be compiled in the default |
| 23:35.20 | t_s_o | if we could make a comprehensive list of renewable and non-renewable resources on this planet, assign it all a value and use that as a basis to print up a set amount of work currency, then things may become "sane" |
| 23:35.20 | smackpotato | ok |
| 23:35.45 | nemo | the advantage of gold isn't that there is anything special about it |
| 23:35.49 | doc|home | t_s_o: that's what gold was really. Just another commodity which you used as a surrogate for barter. |
| 23:35.55 | nemo | is just that it is a comodity that is relatively valuable in small amoutns |
| 23:36.06 | nemo | and in history, the extraction of gold has roughly matched efficiencies in production |
| 23:36.12 | t_s_o | nemo: it was rare, durable, and shiny... |
| 23:36.18 | nemo | which conveniently kinda matches the overall economy |
| 23:36.20 | nemo | t_s_o: those too |
| 23:36.30 | doc|home | t_s_o: it's less that it was shiny and more that it doesn't degrade |
| 23:36.39 | nemo | t_s_o: most important thing being those who mined gold couldn't just "print money" - was kinda hard to do |
| 23:36.47 | doc|home | unlike paper, it won't just disintegrate |
| 23:36.50 | nemo | t_s_o: every time huge amounts of gold have been found, they screwed with local economies |
| 23:36.57 | nemo | t_s_o: no different than if a gov't printed tons of money |
| 23:36.58 | doc|home | nemo: one sec about that |
| 23:37.09 | smackpotato | the rub with gold is when it gets expensive people go underground to mine it some get killed |
| 23:37.11 | nemo | t_s_o: like, Spain got into trouble on that front I seem to remember |
| 23:37.15 | nemo | ditto Cali in gold rush |
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| 23:37.45 | doc|home | nemo: the largest inflation in a gold standard was when spain went to south america, prices doubled, over 100 years, I've seen prices triple in my lifetime and I'm only 26. |
| 23:37.48 | nemo | but nowdays, dunno if anyone could mine enough gold to really screw up an economy. there was one story recently (indonesia?) but that was more due to the local currency |
| 23:37.58 | nemo | doc|home: yeah. I do remember the psain thing |
| 23:38.12 | nemo | spain even :) |
| 23:38.18 | doc|home | nemo: and with the gold rush in the US, the prices there had been dropping for 100 years so when they found gold again it just meant prices rose to where they had been |
| 23:38.23 | doc|home | there wasn't even inflation |
| 23:38.29 | doc|home | (over the long term) |
| 23:38.43 | nemo | doc|home: well, anyway, the main issue with currencies is when the supply changes unexpectedly |
| 23:38.43 | doc|home | the USD has lost 97% of its value in the last 100 years |
| 23:38.46 | nemo | gold rushes do that |
| 23:38.50 | nemo | but then, so does printing currency |
| 23:38.59 | doc|home | nemo: sure, but nowhere near as much, not even close |
| 23:39.00 | nemo | and of the two, gov't screwing with supply is more likely |
| 23:39.05 | nemo | doc|home: not disagreeing :) |
| 23:39.09 | doc|home | yep |
| 23:39.16 | doc|home | they can't screw with miners :) |
| 23:39.17 | nemo | doc|home: 'course, this is all more appropriate to, oh, ##libertarian |
| 23:39.22 | doc|home | nemo: aye |
| 23:39.27 | doc|home | or #sanity |
| 23:39.30 | doc|home | :( |
| 23:39.34 | nemo | same diff :D |
| 23:39.38 | doc|home | hehe |
| 23:40.05 | nemo | next year will be "interesting times" that's for sure |
| 23:40.14 | smackpotato | adam smith based his work on value of grain always having the same value. that went all to hell after industrilization |
| 23:40.32 | nemo | certainly no point in saving - I might even max out those of my cards that are now below the inflation rate |
| 23:40.51 | nemo | smackpotato: there are always production efficiency improvements |
| 23:41.06 | smackpotato | yep always |
| 23:41.25 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: updated SDK section - it's a bit more jucier and based on actual developments in Maemo world (sb2, Maemo SDK+)/tendancies from Nokia now |
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| 23:42.37 | Stskeeps | juicier, i mean :P |
| 23:43.51 | smackpotato | how about a usb flash drive on a 770 has anyone tried that |
| 23:44.03 | GeneralAntilles | As long as you can get USB host working. . . . |
| 23:44.27 | smackpotato | using the flasher right? |
| 23:45.48 | GeneralAntilles | You'll need power |
| 23:46.12 | GeneralAntilles | Since the 770's port is completely unpowered |
| 23:46.23 | smackpotato | bummer |
| 23:47.11 | smackpotato | its only going to be used as a music source for my stereo |
| 23:47.53 | smackpotato | so a hub should be ok |
| 23:47.57 | Stskeeps | yeah, powered one |
| 23:48.07 | doc|home | smackpotato: reduction in prices is a good thing. Do you complain when computer hardware gets cheaper? |
| 23:48.26 | smackpotato | nope |
| 23:48.30 | doc|home | win! |
| 23:48.32 | doc|home | :) |
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| 23:52.54 | smackpotato | or as they say at the lottery terminals gagnant |
| 23:53.23 | timeless | looks for someone w/ a working debian install |
| 23:54.36 | nemo | smackpotato: heck, apart from critiques of monopolies of power, gov't deficit spending to spur future growth is no different than a company taking out an investment loan |
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| 23:54.49 | nemo | problem is gov'ts never seem to pay 'em back, or even approach parity with their returns |
| 23:55.00 | nemo | at least ours doesn't :( |
| 23:55.23 | nemo | oh. and stupid beaurocracies have stupid ideas on how to do investments. |
| 23:55.33 | cyrus__ | Quick question, when you download the firmware for the N810, it has the filename RX-44-Diablo...what is the difference between that one and the RX-48-Diablo one? |
| 23:55.34 | nemo | guess that falls under monopolies of power |
| 23:55.34 | Stskeeps | timeless: which platform? :P |
| 23:55.52 | GeneralAntilles | cyrus__, RX-48 is the WiMAX Edition |
| 23:56.12 | cyrus__ | ok...thank you |
| 23:56.15 | timeless | i need to know what -dbg packages would get debug info for these files: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 /usr/lib/libtalloc.so.1 /lib/libnss_wins.so.2 |
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