IRC log for #maemo on 20080411

`00:03.52`	`*** join/#maemo pdz (n=paul@135.14.169.217.in-addr.arpa)`
`00:10.01`	`legind`	`is there any way to get the maemo browser to run through a proxy? if im on some cafes open wifi I want to make sure I'm securely browsing`
`00:11.19`	`KotCzarny`	`it's in the config`
`00:12.29`	`legind`	`ah thanks KotCzarny i just looked in the settings`
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`00:39.57`	`mikedep333`	`hey, how do I take the external SD out of my N800?`
`00:40.15`	`KotCzarny`	`use nail`
`00:41.53`	`shapr`	`yarr!`
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`00:46.20`	`whooper`	`lol`
`00:49.54`	`WormFood`	`mikedep333, I was pushing on that external SD, expecting it to pop out....then I used my nail`
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`00:59.16`	`mikedep333`	`yeah`
`00:59.21`	`whooper`	`and what? it came out?`
`00:59.29`	`mikedep333`	`unfortunately I don't think I can use my nail on the microSD to SD adapter`
`00:59.34`	`mikedep333`	`only on the microSD itself`
`00:59.38`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Stupid adaptors.`
`00:59.38`	`whooper`	`probably not`
`00:59.43`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Get a pair of tweezers.`
`00:59.47`	`mikedep333`	`yeah`
`00:59.56`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Then wrap a piece of scotch tape around it.`
`01:00.07`	`whooper`	`uh huh`
`01:00.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Make yourself a little tab.`
`01:00.22`	`whooper`	`m'kay`
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`01:00.36`	`whooper`	`that's not a bad idea`
`01:01.22`	`GeneralAntilles`	`If only stupid manufacturers didn't throw the whole spec out the window when they make adaptors.`
`01:01.29`	`whooper`	`indeed`
`01:01.47`	`whooper`	`if only there was ONE standard`
`01:02.01`	`mikedep333`	`the nokia updater is downloading the 2008 image`
`01:02.05`	`mikedep333`	`where does it temporarily store it?`
`01:02.10`	`mikedep333`	`I want to back it up`
`01:02.13`	`mikedep333`	`on windows xp`
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`01:04.09`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Who the hell knows? :P`
`01:04.12`	`mikedep333`	`lol`
`01:04.19`	`mikedep333`	`the program is using up 121 megs and growing`
`01:04.24`	`mikedep333`	`it is probably keeping it in RAM`
`01:04.41`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php`
`01:04.46`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Just grab it from there for a backup.`
`01:06.39`	`mikedep333`	`so my first impressions are that the screen is nice`
`01:06.55`	`mikedep333`	`but youtube was displayed horrible on ITOS2007`
`01:07.04`	`mikedep333`	`not properly rendered and the video went slow`
`01:07.47`	`mikedep333`	`I do like the zooming in and out ability`
`01:08.22`	`elb`	`the screen is gorgeous`
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`01:10.22`	`GeneralAntilles`	`OS2008 is much better.`
`01:14.57`	`mikedep333`	`yeah, youtube is better on it`
`01:15.10`	`mikedep333`	`ok, time to transfer to my 2 GB SD`
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`01:23.54`	`legind`	`does os2008 use operas microbrowser?`
`01:24.31`	`zion`	`legind: afaik, os2008 uses a gecko based browser`
`01:25.28`	`mikedep333`	`do I need red pill mode for this?`
`01:25.28`	`mikedep333`	`http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=99536`
`01:25.31`	`mikedep333`	`I added the repo`
`01:25.32`	`legind`	`I thought so, but what made me unsure is that it uses the acronym "microb"`
`01:25.39`	`mikedep333`	`then searching for becomeroot didnt find anything`
`01:25.45`	`legind`	`and operas micro browser has some big security issues`
`01:27.30`	`t_s_o`	`should not need red pill to install becomeroot`
`01:29.19`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's not an acronym.`
`01:29.21`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's just the name`
`01:29.25`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's based on Gecko`
`01:29.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`1.9`
`01:30.50`	`Ikkakujyu`	`I spent all day compiling MusicPD only to find out someone else already did it :( I need to google harder.`
`01:31.11`	`Navi`	`"Microbe"`
`01:31.22`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Your google-fu is still weak and untrained, young padawan.`
`01:31.34`	`Navi`	`It's a nice play on words`
`01:31.51`	`Navi`	`since it can also stand for micro browser`
`01:32.09`	`Navi`	`Either way, it's tiny`
`01:33.23`	`GeneralAntilles`	`infects Navi with MRSA`
`01:33.54`	`mikedep333`	`whoops, entered typo in the eko.one.pl address`
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`01:51.54`	`G7KES`	`Hi does, anyone know the location of a deb for a shell? I'm running OS2008 on an N800.`
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`01:53.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`deb for a shell?`
`01:53.54`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Oh, right.`
`01:53.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Ask the question, then run away.`
`01:55.19`	`WormFood`	`that is real effective....ask a question, then leave`
`01:55.42`	`WormFood`	`I hope his nick isn't a ham call....he'd give hams a bad name`
`01:55.58`	`celesteh`	`i hate it when i ask a question and then my network dies`
`01:56.19`	`KotCzarny`	`dead network doesn't produce /part command`
`01:56.47`	`KotCzarny`	`calls a ruthless peer sometimes`
`01:56.51`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`01:56.57`	`celesteh`	`heh`
`01:57.19`	`WormFood`	`well, he left the channel, as you can tell by the message...also he is still on irc`
`01:57.36`	`WormFood`	`that IS his ham call`
`01:57.38`	`celesteh`	`clearly, we must track him down to answer his question`
`01:57.42`	`legind`	`the micro browser doesn't seem to take my SOCKS proxy settings - has anyone had similar problems?`
`01:57.53`	`legind`	`network.proxy.socks`
`01:58.01`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm, bad socks?`
`01:58.02`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`01:58.11`	`legind`	`my socks are fine`
`01:58.21`	`KotCzarny`	`btw. if it isn't in settings dialog maybe it's not supported ?`
`01:58.22`	`legind`	`even after toring`
`01:58.37`	`legind`	`it's there`
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`01:58.41`	`legind`	`ahh ok`
`01:58.42`	`WormFood`	`anyways, I'm out of here...have fun guys`
`01:58.51`	`legind`	`yeah its not in settings, only in the config`
`02:03.25`	`mikedep333`	`when I go to untar this: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz`
`02:03.25`	`mikedep333`	`I get tar: unexpected end of file`
`02:03.25`	`mikedep333`	`tar: short read`
`02:03.40`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Download it better?`
`02:03.51`	`KotCzarny`	`use wget?`
`02:03.54`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Alternatively, this is a great opportunity to install openssh and use sftp. :D`
`02:04.34`	`mikedep333`	`downloaded it again`
`02:04.38`	`mikedep333`	`no errors this time`
`02:06.44`	`whooper`	`good`
`02:07.08`	`whooper`	`hey guys-- here's a topic`
`02:07.17`	`whooper`	`killer apps for different os's`
`02:07.49`	`KotCzarny`	`maemo.org`
`02:07.57`	`KotCzarny`	`has a great lists`
`02:08.00`	`KotCzarny`	`and top25`
`02:08.01`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`02:08.19`	`whooper`	`yeah, but really, what are your's, #maemo?`
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`02:08.27`	`whooper`	`*yours`
`02:08.34`	`KotCzarny`	`?`
`02:09.33`	`whooper`	`like, for games, media, office, worst`
`02:09.40`	`whooper`	`ect.`
`02:09.54`	`mikedep333`	`I forgot to flash the FAT partition on my SD before installing initfs`
`02:09.59`	`KotCzarny`	`i love sdk`
`02:10.05`	`whooper`	`kay`
`02:10.06`	`mikedep333`	`will that give me a problem?`
`02:10.11`	`KotCzarny`	`lots of fun`
`02:10.15`	`mikedep333`	`*format the FAT partition`
`02:10.21`	`KotCzarny`	`and lots of adventure`
`02:10.34`	`whooper`	`how would one learn best how to program apps in maemo?`
`02:10.44`	`KotCzarny`	`mike: fat partition isn't critical for booting/running`
`02:10.45`	`whooper`	`or program in general`
`02:10.53`	`mikedep333`	`ok, just making sure`
`02:11.19`	`KotCzarny`	`whooper: by reading good books and twiddling in examples`
`02:11.30`	`whooper`	`can you reccomend any?`
`02:11.40`	`KotCzarny`	`not in english`
`02:11.47`	`whooper`	`ah.`
`02:11.49`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`02:12.55`	`whooper`	`i doubt that i could grep my way out of a paper bag.`
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`02:13.49`	`smlackpotato`	`.`
`02:13.51`	`mikedep333`	`hmm, crap`
`02:13.58`	`whooper`	`whats up?`
`02:14.02`	`mikedep333`	`I used the file manager to format the SD card`
`02:14.15`	`KotCzarny`	`hehe`
`02:14.16`	`mikedep333`	`and now I only see /dev/mmcblk0p1`
`02:14.21`	`mikedep333`	`no p2`
`02:14.27`	`mikedep333`	`did it remove the ext2 partition?`
`02:14.34`	`KotCzarny`	`probably`
`02:14.41`	`KotCzarny`	`sfdisk -l`
`02:14.57`	`KotCzarny`	`if it's not there then it created new partition table`
`02:15.26`	`mikedep333`	`yeah, it did`
`02:15.32`	`whooper`	`ouch`
`02:15.36`	`KotCzarny`	`fun`
`02:15.37`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`02:15.44`	`mikedep333`	`how do I properly format only the fat partition?`
`02:15.51`	`mikedep333`	`nm`
`02:15.54`	`mikedep333`	`mkdosfs`
`02:15.54`	`KotCzarny`	`mkdosfs`
`02:15.55`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`02:15.57`	`mikedep333`	`well, let me ask this`
`02:15.59`	`whooper`	`anyone here firmiliar with mintyboost (ladyada)?`
`02:16.04`	`GeneralAntilles`	`whooper, start by learning bash and the basics of the Linux shell.`
`02:16.11`	`whooper`	`alright`
`02:16.12`	`mikedep333`	`do I need to format it at all before installing the OS to the ext2 part?`
`02:16.14`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Then I'd move up to bash scripting.`
`02:16.17`	`whooper`	`ok`
`02:16.22`	`KotCzarny`	`mike, nope`
`02:16.25`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Then Python, Ruby, or Perl from there.`
`02:16.27`	`mikedep333`	`ok, great`
`02:16.34`	`whooper`	`probly python`
`02:16.37`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Then C`
`02:16.42`	`whooper`	`uh huh`
`02:16.52`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Though Python provides you with 95% of the stuff you'd need.`
`02:17.04`	`KotCzarny`	`ga, the great coder ;)`
`02:17.13`	`KotCzarny`	`i wonder if he ever written anything`
`02:17.15`	`whooper`	`yeah, and it works with maemo and (i think) Android`
`02:17.22`	`KotCzarny`	`other than pr stuff`
`02:18.25`	`whooper`	`alright, brb then-- thanks GA!`
`02:18.41`	`GeneralAntilles`	`puts KotCzarny back on ignore.`
`02:18.49`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Turns out he's still just as much of an asshole as he's always been.`
`02:19.04`	`KotCzarny`	`^ same arrogant idiot`
`02:20.28`	`whooper`	`winning a flame war is like winning the special olympics-- even if you win, you're still retarded`
`02:20.34`	`KotCzarny`	`yup`
`02:20.34`	`whooper`	`so stop arguing`
`02:20.42`	`KotCzarny`	`he started it`
`02:20.46`	`whooper`	`an d im ending it`
`02:20.51`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`02:20.57`	`whooper`	`LAWL`
`02:21.05`	`whooper`	`brb for real now`
`02:21.18`	`whooper`	`dont make me have to separate you two again`
`02:21.30`	`KotCzarny`	`i have my screen`
`02:21.34`	`KotCzarny`	`to keep me safe`
`02:21.35`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`02:31.11`	`mikedep333`	`the N800 comes with a skype voucher, right?`
`02:31.17`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`02:31.21`	`mikedep333`	`in the box?`
`02:31.30`	`KotCzarny`	`mine did`
`02:31.30`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Some do, some don't.`
`02:31.34`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Not sure of the pattern.`
`02:31.39`	`mikedep333`	`ok, oh well`
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`02:35.49`	`Navi`	`"he started it" is a horrible excuse.`
`02:35.58`	`dospod`	`hey`
`02:36.04`	`Navi`	`Hi`
`02:36.19`	`KotCzarny`	`still true`
`02:36.32`	`dospod`	`how is everyone`
`02:36.34`	`Navi`	`Depends on your viewpoint`
`02:36.37`	`Navi`	`dospod, bored`
`02:36.45`	`esworp`	`so, does anyone else have trouble invoking tje thumbboard via the touchscreen?`
`02:36.49`	`KotCzarny`	`my viewpoint is that i don't like being called names`
`02:36.55`	`dospod`	`navi it could be worse`
`02:36.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`esworp, just use the center dpad.`
`02:37.00`	`KotCzarny`	`without a reason`
`02:37.05`	`dospod`	`wayyy worse`
`02:37.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Reliable 100% of the time.`
`02:37.18`	`Navi`	`KotCzarny, and calling people names back helps?`
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`02:37.26`	`esworp`	`some apps interpret the centter butron for other stuff, making stylus-frree operation a pain.`
`02:37.28`	`KotCzarny`	`navi: how would you react?`
`02:37.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Thumb detection should be fixed in Diablo.`
`02:37.35`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Ah, right, Skype's stupidity.`
`02:37.53`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I've had some success double-tapping with the thumb to get the fullscreen keyboard.`
`02:37.54`	`Navi`	`KotCzarny, by not acknowledging their existence like I have you for the past few weeks.`
`02:38.08`	`Navi`	`GeneralAntilles, should be`
`02:38.16`	`Navi`	`Didn't bork up when I tried it`
`02:38.31`	`esworp`	`i use the hell out of gpe cal, and the button's mapped to something else. :(`
`02:38.32`	`dospod`	`all I got to say dont fight`
`02:38.34`	`dospod`	`seriously`
`02:38.42`	`dospod`	`cherish everything you have\`
`02:38.49`	`dospod`	`it could be gone the next moment`
`02:38.54`	`dospod`	`just boom its gone`
`02:38.55`	`Navi`	`KotCzarny, you've called me a few names while you thought I /ignore'd you :P`
`02:38.57`	`KotCzarny`	`navi, still, he acted arrogant, not i`
`02:39.45`	`Navi`	`Oh, you're always arrogant; You don't have to worry about that.`
`02:40.01`	`KotCzarny`	`yes, i am, sometimes`
`02:40.13`	`KotCzarny`	`but i know when i do it`
`02:40.22`	`Navi`	`Mhm`
`02:40.52`	`Navi`	`dospod, I'm fine with moments being gone`
`02:40.57`	`esworp`	`i'm just a casual visitor, and alway feel a bit of snarkiness from some users. not that i ever remember who they are.`
`02:41.02`	`Navi`	`S'not like it cares.`
`02:41.05`	`dospod`	`navi you may say that now`
`02:41.09`	`Navi`	`s/cares/matters/`
`02:41.10`	`dospod`	`seriously`
`02:41.23`	`GeneralAntilles`	`dospod, you're too young to wax philosophical. :P`
`02:41.25`	`Navi`	`I've thought that for a long time.`
`02:41.25`	`dospod`	`I never thought just id miss just chillin with someone`
`02:41.36`	`dospod`	`GeneralAntilles I just lost my best friend`
`02:41.42`	`dospod`	`I went to ohio for his funeral yesterday`
`02:41.45`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Ouch`
`02:41.48`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Sorry to hear that.`
`02:41.48`	`dospod`	`yea`
`02:41.54`	`dospod`	`Ive lost people before`
`02:41.57`	`dospod`	`but this one hurt`
`02:42.08`	`Navi`	`Sorry for your loss`
`02:42.15`	`dospod`	`thanks`
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`02:42.56`	`Navi`	`I don't remember the stylus board ever coming up when I was messing with Diablo`
`02:43.22`	`Navi`	`Well, when I switched to finger tap = thumb board anyways`
`02:43.34`	`Navi`	`even when I tapped with the stylus :/`
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`02:43.52`	`dospod`	`is diablo look any cleaner`
`02:43.54`	`Navi`	`center button on the rocker brought up the stylus board`
`02:44.07`	`Navi`	`Looks the same as it is now`
`02:44.21`	`GeneralAntilles`	`dospod, it's a bugfix upgrade.`
`02:44.26`	`dospod`	`: \`
`02:44.31`	`GeneralAntilles`	`That's GOOD.`
`02:44.33`	`Navi`	`I'm judging off an old alpha build, so I don't really know much :P`
`02:44.36`	`dospod`	`I know`
`02:44.42`	`dospod`	`but Im attracted to a good looking ui`
`02:44.51`	`Navi`	`It looks all right the way it is now`
`02:44.53`	`esworp`	`i /never/ use the stylus board. seems like a waste, really.`
`02:45.01`	`dospod`	`I still wish we could change the layout to what the mock up for ubuntu mobile looks like`
`02:45.02`	`Navi`	`We just need some talented themers`
`02:45.09`	`Navi`	`esworp, then Diablo should be good for you`
`02:45.19`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Echo looks a helluva lot better than any previous ITOS release's default theme.`
`02:45.26`	`GeneralAntilles`	`dospod, it's hardware accelerated.`
`02:45.27`	`esworp`	`what's it's ETA?`
`02:45.30`	`Navi`	`the stylus board doesn't pop up`
`02:45.35`	`GeneralAntilles`	`and, as far as I can tell from the videos and such, not very useful.`
`02:45.40`	`GeneralAntilles`	`esworp, "Q2 2008"`
`02:45.42`	`dospod`	`I like the ui`
`02:45.47`	`Navi`	`GeneralAntilles, remember what it was replaced by?`
`02:45.47`	`esworp`	`:/`
`02:45.54`	`Navi`	`Some orange crap :P`
`02:45.56`	`dospod`	`and I know its hildon also`
`02:46.25`	`Navi`	`hopes Echo stays in the next release`
`02:46.28`	`Navi`	`I don't really like orange`
`02:46.33`	`dospod`	`http://www.ubuntu.com/files/u1/html-small.jpg that does look clean`
`02:46.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`esworp, pay attention to the Modest progress.`
`02:46.44`	`GeneralAntilles`	`That's gonna be a decent way to tell how close we are.`
`02:46.57`	`Navi`	`dospod, looks like Ubuntu Mobile.`
`02:47.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Navi, at worst you can just package it from Chinook.`
`02:47.10`	`Navi`	`Or android`
`02:47.10`	`dospod`	`it is ubuntu mobile`
`02:47.17`	`KotCzarny`	`no transparency?`
`02:47.24`	`dospod`	`and I like the way they made it look`
`02:47.25`	`Navi`	`I've tried the Ubuntu Mobile UI PoC`
`02:47.25`	`KotCzarny`	`or it's just black wallpaper?`
`02:47.26`	`dospod`	`http://www.ubuntu.com/files/u1/clutter-small.jpg`
`02:47.32`	`dospod`	`thats clean also`
`02:47.33`	`Navi`	`At least I hope it's just a proof of concept`
`02:47.50`	`esworp`	`'modest'?`
`02:47.59`	`Navi`	`It's an unbearably slow UI`
`02:48.13`	`Navi`	`The transitions were flashy, but unneeded`
`02:48.37`	`dospod`	`the way they made it look is nice`
`02:49.07`	`Navi`	`KotCzarny, the interface of Ubuntu Mobile is just a flash interface at the moment :P`
`02:49.19`	`dospod`	`I thought it was hildon?`
`02:49.19`	`Navi`	`I don't know if they're going to keep it.`
`02:49.25`	`esworp`	`antilles, what is Modest?`
`02:49.38`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://modest.garage.maemo.org/`
`02:49.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`New email client for Diablo.`
`02:49.43`	`Navi`	`dospod, the screenshot you showed is the flash interface.`
`02:49.52`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It has weekly beta releases.`
`02:50.21`	`Navi`	`The clutter interface is a bit better`
`02:50.26`	`Navi`	`not by much, though`
`02:50.35`	`dospod`	`but arent they all based on hildon`
`02:50.43`	`dospod`	`either way they all look great`
`02:50.47`	`Navi`	`Hildon UI styled apps, sure`
`02:51.14`	`Navi`	`but the UI isn't hildon-desktop :P`
`02:51.34`	`dospod`	`:( I was under the impression the ui was hildon`
`02:51.39`	`Navi`	`It is >_>`
`02:51.51`	`dospod`	`ok now im confused`
`02:51.56`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hildon UI != hildon-desktop`
`02:51.57`	`dospod`	`but then again today has been sooo weird`
`02:51.57`	`Navi`	`I'm as confused as you are`
`02:52.50`	`GeneralAntilles`	`hands Navi a new fork.`
`02:53.06`	`Navi`	`Eh`
`02:53.11`	`Navi`	`I don't want to draw another navi`
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`02:53.36`	`dospod`	`has anyone played numpty physics?`
`02:53.47`	`Navi`	`Me`
`02:54.06`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hopefully the in-game level repository idea pans out.`
`02:54.13`	`dospod`	`its fun`
`02:54.26`	`dospod`	`but kinda difficult`
`02:54.31`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Pause!`
`02:54.53`	`Navi`	`shrugs`
`02:55.20`	`esworp`	`numpty rawks`
`02:55.33`	`shapr`	`Yeah, it's way cool.`
`02:56.04`	`dospod`	`indeed it is`
`02:56.16`	Redline`	`I read from one of the pages related to the moz mobile that hardware accel on the 810 is enabled? is this true?`
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`02:56.17`	`shapr`	`Ookay, I'm ready to try to install scratchbox again for maemo development, and I'm on debian/unstable - amd64`
`02:56.40`	Redline`	`I thought the video chip on the N8x0 was still disabled`
`02:56.41`	`GeneralAntilles`	What sort of accel, Redline`?
`02:56.46`	Redline`	`video`
`02:56.47`	`dospod`	`and does anyone know if kde is ever going to be updated`
`02:56.51`	`KotCzarny`	`redline: link ?`
`02:56.54`	`GeneralAntilles`	`3d or IVA?`
`02:56.55`	Redline`	`sec`
`02:57.02`	`dospod`	`It seems like no work on the project is not being worked on`
`02:57.06`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Well, either way, the only hardware acceleration is the DSP.`
`02:57.18`	`Navi`	`dospod, on Mozilla Mobile?`
`02:57.26`	Redline`	`it was in reference to accel of video streams`
`02:57.49`	`dospod`	`nope it seems kde was dropped`
`02:57.59`	Redline`	`http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/`
`02:58.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Talk to penguinbait, dospod.`
`02:58.14`	Redline`	`"If you want to play a video you should make sure that youâve encoded it for the N810 using a decent script to take advantage of the hardware accel on the device."`
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`02:58.31`	`KotCzarny`	`heh`
`02:58.41`	`KotCzarny`	`so wrong`
`02:58.43`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`02:58.43`	Redline`	`I read that as was like WTF?`
`02:58.49`	Redline`	`Thought so.`
`02:58.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Dunno`
`02:59.01`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Maybe they mean pixel doubling?`
`03:00.02`	`KotCzarny`	`unless it's something new`
`03:00.13`	`KotCzarny`	`checks sublinks`
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`03:01.47`	`KotCzarny`	`gst support is nice for mozilla though`
`03:02.06`	Redline`	`yeah. looks nice.`
`03:02.07`	`lopz`	`re`
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`03:08.13`	`Proteous`	`I WANT VIDEO PLAYBACK HARDWARE ACCELLL ON MY DEVICE`
`03:08.25`	`Navi`	`ZOMG`
`03:08.25`	Redline`	`oh my.`
`03:08.28`	`Proteous`	`heh`
`03:08.30`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Then get to work!`
`03:08.36`	`Proteous`	`...`
`03:08.37`	`Navi`	`Proteous, doo eet`
`03:08.48`	`Proteous`	`get to work adding a hardware chip to my 770?`
`03:09.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Shouting a request for something is a good as volunteering in my book!`
`03:09.06`	`dospod`	`wouldnt it be cool if we could you the sd slot for hardware acceleration`
`03:09.13`	`GeneralAntilles`	`dospod, <_<`
`03:09.28`	`Proteous`	`to bad the bottleneck is farther upstream`
`03:09.50`	`esworp`	`screw video accel... i want a laser projected keyboard. ;p`
`03:09.53`	`dospod`	`It would be cool`
`03:10.04`	`dospod`	`just add in the sd card in the internal memory slot in the n800`
`03:10.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`esworp, have you ever used one?`
`03:10.16`	`dospod`	`and bam video hardware acceleration`
`03:10.19`	`dospod`	`would be awesome`
`03:10.26`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Doesn't work quite like that. :P`
`03:10.28`	`Proteous`	`laser projected keyboard, bah, I don't want to have to prop my IT device on a table to type on it`
`03:10.35`	`esworp`	`nah, i imagiine it's frustratiingo`
`03:10.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's awful.`
`03:10.57`	`GeneralAntilles`	`dospod, starting with the fact that we don't have SDIO`
`03:10.58`	`Navi`	`It hurts`
`03:11.07`	`Proteous`	`people bitch and complain about their laptop keyboard keys not having enough throw. imagine now tactile feedback at all`
`03:11.16`	`shapr`	`I found a neat solution...`
`03:11.22`	`Proteous`	`s/now/no`
`03:11.23`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/HP_PhotoSmart_SDIO_Kamera.jpg`
`03:11.25`	`shapr`	`tape an N800 onto a kinesis keyboard`
`03:11.31`	`GeneralAntilles`	`There's our solution to the webcam problem. :P`
`03:11.54`	`dospod`	`General antilles is jealous he didnt think of my idea: )`
`03:11.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`shapr, here's my solution: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/ultimatelaptop.jpg`
`03:12.07`	`dospod`	`but i think it would be cool if sd was used to expand mobile devices more`
`03:12.10`	`dospod`	`insted of wifi`
`03:12.21`	`shapr`	`GeneralAntilles: Yup, that's very close to my idea :-)`
`03:12.36`	`shapr`	`GeneralAntilles: Does that really work?`
`03:12.43`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Really well.`
`03:12.54`	`shapr`	`I have a usb keyboard with built-in hub, I'd like to attach it to my n800.`
`03:12.59`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Aside from the fact that you have to screw with dbus to get the vkb back.`
`03:13.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`s/dbus/gconf/`
`03:13.14`	`shapr`	`wah`
`03:13.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`shapr, you should order up one of jolouis's OTG adaptors.`
`03:13.31`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Or make your own.`
`03:13.51`	`Navi`	`you could grab an f-to-f`
`03:14.11`	`shapr`	`oooh!`
`03:14.54`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1781`
`03:14.56`	`shapr`	`I have a spare kinesis keyboard.. I think I'll drill a big hole in the center and permanently stick a NIT in there.`
`03:15.11`	`shapr`	`Out of Stock :-)`
`03:15.22`	`GeneralAntilles`	`"2-4 days"`
`03:15.40`	`Navi`	`Oh`
`03:15.48`	`Navi`	`I got that from Mara for five bucks`
`03:15.51`	`Navi`	`o_o`
`03:16.07`	`Navi`	`It's kinda retarded`
`03:16.11`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Retarded?`
`03:16.12`	`shapr`	`I wonder if my kinesis requires power...`
`03:16.21`	`Navi`	`'cuz the female USB part isn't covered by plastic`
`03:16.38`	`Navi`	`And is squished easily`
`03:16.38`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It is on mine.`
`03:16.50`	`lopz`	`mm. GeneralAntilles for SUB host in n800 ?`
`03:16.50`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Both of mine.`
`03:16.53`	`Navi`	`In that picture and on mine it isn't`
`03:16.55`	`Navi`	`:P`
`03:16.56`	`lopz`	`s/SUB/USB`
`03:17.02`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yeah`
`03:17.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's an OTG adaptor`
`03:17.16`	`GeneralAntilles`	`so you don't have to worry about switching software-side.`
`03:17.18`	`lopz`	`wow. 6 $`
`03:17.32`	`Navi`	`Really?`
`03:17.37`	`lopz`	`yrp`
`03:17.40`	`lopz`	`yep*`
`03:17.42`	`KotCzarny`	`+ shipping`
`03:17.43`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`03:17.50`	`Navi`	`I was asking about what GeneralAntilles said`
`03:18.00`	`Navi`	`I grabbed one from Mara for five`
`03:18.10`	`Navi`	`no shipping \o/`
`03:18.22`	`Navi`	`Well, unless you count gas monies`
`03:18.29`	`lopz`	`mm arg. I from Bolivia country ::(`
`03:19.40`	`shapr`	`I'm in Boston!`
`03:19.52`	`shapr`	`Any other internet tableteers in Boston?`
`03:20.53`	`dospod`	`I want to go to boston`
`03:22.06`	`shapr`	`Boston is a nice place.`
`03:22.13`	`shapr`	`I miss living in Stockholm though.`
`03:22.46`	`dospod`	`I lived in texas my whole life`
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`03:23.06`	`shapr`	`I've lived in three countries and .. at least twelve US states.`
`03:23.29`	`KotCzarny`	`and in internet`
`03:23.37`	`este_`	`is indt.org a school or a business ?`
`03:23.45`	`dospod`	`wow shapr`
`03:23.46`	`shapr`	`I think it's a brazilian research center funded by nokia.`
`03:24.07`	`shapr`	`dospod: Downside of moving so much is that I don't own much stuff, and I don't have many friends nearby. I also don't have a girlfriend.`
`03:24.08`	`Navi`	`lives in Texas`
`03:24.12`	`este_`	`research center.... so... they are paid to do work for nokia or they are maybe a dept inside a school ?`
`03:24.45`	`shapr`	`este_: http://www.indt.org.br/ - Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia`
`03:25.24`	`dospod`	`shapr girl friends are nice`
`03:25.32`	`dospod`	`ecspecially girls from texas`
`03:25.34`	`shapr`	`heh`
`03:25.39`	`dospod`	`I havent seen to many good lookin girls up north`
`03:25.40`	`shapr`	`I like girls from outside of the US.`
`03:25.41`	`GeneralAntilles`	`este_, I don't think it has anything to do with education.`
`03:25.45`	`dospod`	`but then again I dont stay long up north`
`03:25.48`	`dospod`	`only a week at most`
`03:26.15`	`este_`	`I know their site, it just doesn't explain to me who they are (really)`
`03:26.23`	`shapr`	`Ask google`
`03:26.31`	`este_`	`yea funny`
`03:26.34`	`shapr`	`Seriously`
`03:26.49`	`GeneralAntilles`	`este_, they do research work for Nokia.`
`03:26.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`They're also responsible for a whole shitton of software on the tablets.`
`03:27.02`	`shapr`	`yup`
`03:27.03`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Most notably Canola`
`03:27.04`	`este_`	`Really ? You think irc is my first choice for info ?`
`03:27.16`	`shapr`	`este_: Whatever dude, just trying to be helpful.`
`03:27.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`But also a ton of library and backend stuff.`
`03:27.19`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Python, too.`
`03:27.19`	`este_`	`I know they are, I'm curious as to WHY they are... I'm guessing now its money`
`03:27.27`	`Navi`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instituto_Nokia_de_Tecnologia`
`03:27.30`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instituto_Nokia_de_Tecnologia`
`03:27.32`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Whore!`
`03:27.36`	`Navi`	`I win!`
`03:27.42`	`shapr`	`este_: Already seen that page?`
`03:28.13`	`este_`	`yes actually`
`03:28.13`	`shapr`	`este_: Sounds to me like you need to learn to use Google efficiently :-)`
`03:28.44`	`este_`	`It seems to me that its a drug money laundering front that happens to be quite good a coding`
`03:28.48`	`shapr`	`hah`
`03:29.25`	`KotCzarny`	`este, /join #canola then`
`03:29.38`	`este_`	`I talked to someone their about modifying CarMan but the conversation got dropped`
`03:30.26`	`este_`	`I didn't know if they're services were supposed to be bought or not`
`03:31.09`	`KotCzarny`	`'their'`
`03:31.34`	`Navi`	`Who knows if they are services.`
`03:31.55`	`GeneralAntilles`	`My guess is that they are AI.`
`03:32.03`	`este_`	`yea, firefox has spoiled me on spellchecking`
`03:32.10`	`Navi`	`:D`
`03:32.19`	`Navi`	`Well, you didn't spell anything wrong, really.`
`03:32.27`	`este_`	`good point`
`03:32.37`	`este_`	`Ok, last question, whats EFL ? They apparently like it over pygame and sdl`
`03:32.49`	`Navi`	`Most IRC clients have some sort of spell checking though`
`03:33.01`	`KotCzarny`	`never uses spellchecking`
`03:33.06`	`KotCzarny`	`uses brain`
`03:33.16`	`doc\|home`	`uses spellchecking, never uses brain`
`03:33.26`	`Navi`	`EFL is Enlightenment's graphical library`
`03:33.27`	`KotCzarny`	`brain > spellchecking`
`03:33.32`	`este_`	`nevermind I just figured out that efl is enlightenment`
`03:33.42`	`doc\|home`	`brain.effort >> spellchecking.effort`
`03:33.47`	`Navi`	`Well, graphical library colection`
`03:33.50`	`KotCzarny`	`no pain, no gain`
`03:33.53`	`este_`	`you guys have an opinion on efl/enli`
`03:33.55`	`este_`	`?`
`03:34.02`	`Navi`	`I use E17 on the desktop`
`03:34.06`	`doc\|home`	`KotCzarny: there's gain in using your brain? umpossible!`
`03:34.10`	`KotCzarny`	`:>`
`03:34.14`	`doc\|home`	`:D`
`03:34.15`	`KotCzarny`	`apparently`
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`03:34.22`	`doc\|home`	`is of course joking`
`03:34.36`	`KotCzarny`	`i only know that not using a brain is deadly`
`03:34.44`	`este_`	`I can't seem to find too much on e17`
`03:34.53`	`doc\|home`	`in fact, while I knew that umpossible was spelt incorrectly, I didn't even notice whether or not xchat flagged it`
`03:35.39`	`Navi`	`este_, that's because it's in a sort of infinite alpha state.`
`03:35.39`	`KotCzarny`	`capture the flag!`
`03:35.39`	`este_`	`So.... elightenment is all python graphical lib ?`
`03:35.47`	`Navi`	`EFL has python bindings.`
`03:35.48`	`KotCzarny`	`gibs doc`
`03:35.50`	`este_`	`ah, thats why then`
`03:36.01`	`este_`	`oh, so python + whatever`
`03:36.04`	`KotCzarny`	`runs away`
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`03:37.23`	`este_`	`are pygame and sdl 'that' bad that its better to design something new ?`
`03:37.36`	`KotCzarny`	`e17 isn't new`
`03:37.50`	`Navi`	`Of course not`
`03:37.51`	`este_`	`... meh i'm all sorts of confused`
`03:37.55`	`dick-richardson`	`or that good`
`03:38.12`	`KotCzarny`	`apparently`
`03:38.19`	`este_`	`ah`
`03:38.41`	`Navi`	`pygame has it's uses`
`03:39.01`	`Navi`	`mostly for using python + sdl`
`03:39.04`	`Navi`	`>_>`
`03:39.14`	`este_`	`I ask because I'm interested in carman which uses GTK for plain/text views and pygame/sdl for a nicer display`
`03:39.32`	`Navi`	`EFL allows for nice animations and transitions on low spec hardware without needing any acceleration`
`03:39.49`	`este_`	`doesn't OMAP have acceleration ?`
`03:39.59`	`KotCzarny`	`no drivers`
`03:40.09`	`este_`	`How about that,`
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`03:41.10`	`este_`	`well... thats a good start for me I think`
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`04:33.27`	`mikedep333`	`hey, it looks like I can only read some of my SMB shares from my windows xp box`
`04:33.47`	`mikedep333`	`they all have like the same permissions (everyone can read, everyone includes guest)`
`04:34.53`	`Proteous`	`looks around for the "WE FIX WINDOWS PROBLEMS!!!!!!111!!" sign`
`04:35.36`	`KotCzarny`	`whistles innocently not telling anything about the card on protesous' back`
`04:36.30`	`Proteous`	`heh`
`04:41.14`	`este_`	`funny`
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`05:07.28`	`johnx`	`mikedep333, are the shares password protected?`
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`05:14.40`	`AD-N770`	`bon dia / good morning`
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`05:25.10`	`gkanai`	`Can someone help me with an upgrade to os2008 on Linux?`
`05:25.33`	`johnx`	`what's the problem?`
`05:26.20`	`gkanai`	`so I've downloaded the flasher and the bin. I've chmod-ed and unpacked the bin. Then the OS crashed on me. So I'm not sure if the unpacking was complete or not.`
`05:26.36`	`gkanai`	`I've tried the next few steps and they dont seem to work.`
`05:27.08`	`johnx`	`maybe I'm confused...All you have to do is download the .bin and use the flasher to flash it?`
`05:27.15`	`johnx`	`What guide are you following?`
`05:27.39`	`johnx`	`(that first comment shouldn't have ended in a "?")`
`05:28.07`	`gkanai`	`http://www.cnet.com/8301-13739_1-9816300-46.html`
`05:28.18`	`johnx`	`that's for the beta`
`05:28.23`	`gkanai`	`aha`
`05:28.29`	`johnx`	`no need to do things the hard way anymore`
`05:28.35`	`gkanai`	`is there a better guide?`
`05:28.37`	`johnx`	`there's a genuine Nokia approved N800 release`
`05:29.02`	`gkanai`	`ok, so just run the flasher?`
`05:29.15`	`johnx`	`yeah, let me find the guide`
`05:29.23`	`johnx`	`http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/`
`05:29.28`	`johnx`	`one command, super easy :)`
`05:29.50`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Ah, good, they did update the article with a note.`
`05:29.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I emailed them about it about a month ago.`
`05:30.23`	`gkanai`	`johnx: thx`
`05:30.29`	`gkanai`	`i'll give it a go.`
`05:30.35`	`GeneralAntilles`	`gkanai, you didn't notice the note, or the strikethrough? <_<`
`05:30.57`	`gkanai`	`I didnt come across this page :(`
`05:31.23`	`KotCzarny`	`remember the site: maemo.org`
`05:31.29`	`gkanai`	`thx`
`05:31.50`	`KotCzarny`	`it has apps, howtos, links`
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`05:34.15`	`gkanai`	`gotta wait until the battery charges...`
`05:34.29`	`gkanai`	`how long does it take?`
`05:34.41`	`KotCzarny`	`around 3h for me`
`05:34.59`	`gkanai`	`seriously?`
`05:35.11`	`KotCzarny`	`'for me'`
`05:36.29`	`johnx`	`well how much charge does it have?`
`05:37.41`	`gkanai`	`not sure- it just says "charging"`
`05:37.59`	`gkanai`	`oh, ok, er, 10 days idle, in use 5 hrs`
`05:38.12`	`johnx`	`yeah, it's mostly charged :)`
`05:38.19`	`gkanai`	`ok, then I'll start`
`05:42.02`	`gkanai`	`er, so Terminal still says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" even though the device is plugged in... when do I start seeing the "messages as the image loads to the N800 after which it reboots automatically"?`
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`05:42.57`	`johnx`	`unplug tablet from power and usb, turn off tablet, start flasher, plug tablet in via usb, turn on tablet while holding home`
`05:43.07`	`gkanai`	`held down the home button and it's at the update screen with the Nokia logo and the USB mark in the upper right corner`
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`05:44.15`	`johnx`	`did you run flasher as root?`
`05:44.23`	`johnx`	`you'll need to on some linux distros`
`05:44.25`	`gkanai`	`er, sudo?`
`05:44.31`	`gkanai`	`I'm on ubuntu`
`05:44.35`	`gkanai`	`7.10`
`05:44.36`	`johnx`	`sudo is fine`
`05:44.49`	`gkanai`	`ok I'll retry, I didnt previously`
`05:44.56`	`tank-man`	`you dont need root, jsut a user that can access usb`
`05:45.10`	`johnx`	`tank-man, and for many, that user is root...`
`05:45.56`	`gkanai`	`sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R`
`05:46.00`	`gkanai`	`is that right?`
`05:46.05`	`johnx`	`sounds good`
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`05:47.29`	`gkanai`	`so should i start seeing messages immediately?`
`05:47.51`	`gkanai`	`it still says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting"`
`05:48.01`	`johnx`	`you should start seeing various messages as soon as you plug in the usb cable`
`05:48.10`	`gkanai`	`hmm. that's not happening`
`05:48.20`	`RickedRoger`	`Check out my ad! http://atlanta.craigslist.org/tag/638144159.html (quick before they flag!).`
`05:48.41`	`tank-man`	`you should see msgs after you turn on the n8x0 while holding the home key`
`05:49.01`	`tank-man`	`flashing total time is like about 1 min`
`05:49.16`	`RickedRoger`	`Check out my ad! http://atlanta.craigslist.org/tag/638144159.html (quick before they flag!).`
`05:49.28`	`johnx`	`sorry, tank-man is right, you should see it when you turn the N800 on, not when you plug in USB`
`05:49.42`	`gkanai`	`yeah, neither is happening.`
`05:49.59`	`gkanai`	`what am I doing wrong?`
`05:50.01`	`johnx`	`is it connected through a hub? Apparently that can be a problem sometimes`
`05:50.07`	`gkanai`	`nope, directly`
`05:50.20`	`tank-man`	`is your device possibly in host (otg?) mode`
`05:50.28`	`gkanai`	`how can I tell?`
`05:50.55`	`johnx`	`gkanai, if you don't specifically remember changing it to host mode, it's not in host mode`
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`05:51.23`	`gkanai`	`this was given to me yesterday, so I dont know what was done to it previously, but I doubt it?`
`05:51.32`	`gkanai`	`it's got the very first os on it, fwiw.`
`05:51.38`	`tank-man`	`i think this is how to tell, cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode`
`05:51.41`	`johnx`	`if it's running OS2007 then it's not in host mode`
`05:51.46`	`gkanai`	`2006-something.`
`05:51.51`	`gkanai`	`yeah, its running 0s2007`
`05:52.25`	`gkanai`	`cat: /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode: No such file or directory`
`05:52.48`	`johnx`	`gkanai, it's unplugged from power while you're trying to flash it, correct?`
`05:52.54`	`gkanai`	`yes`
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`05:53.41`	`johnx`	`instead of holding home you could do this instead: unplug from power+usb, start flasher, plug in usb, plug in power`
`05:53.58`	`gkanai`	`ok, let me try that`
`05:54.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Not sure how that'll change things, johnx. :P`
`05:54.30`	`GeneralAntilles`	`If you start up with the Home key it'll at least wait for you so you can screw around software-side if need be.`
`05:55.02`	`johnx`	`any ideas, then, GeneralAntilles?`
`05:55.19`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Get it waiting and play with the flasher.`
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`05:55.29`	`gkanai`	`nope, "Suitable USB device not found..."`
`05:55.30`	`johnx`	`All I can think of is to tell him keep trying, it will probably, eventually work...`
`05:55.54`	`GeneralAntilles`	`gkanai, make sure it's unplugged and off, plug in the USB, hold down the Home key and power it on.`
`05:56.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It'll have the USB symbol up in the upper right`
`05:56.10`	`GeneralAntilles`	`then run the flasher.`
`05:56.27`	`johnx`	`sometimes these things are incredibly finicky to get flashed...`
`05:56.36`	`gkanai`	`ok, flasher after then.`
`05:58.25`	`gkanai`	`same error :(`
`05:58.43`	`gkanai`	`gen@ubuntu:~$ sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R`
`05:58.44`	`gkanai`	`flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006)`
`05:58.46`	`gkanai`	`SW version in image: RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_MR0`
`05:58.47`	`gkanai`	`Image 'kernel', size 1529984 bytes`
`05:58.49`	`gkanai`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:58.50`	`gkanai`	`Image 'initfs', size 1954560 bytes`
`05:58.52`	`gkanai`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:58.54`	`gkanai`	`Image 'rootfs', size 137625600 bytes`
`05:58.55`	`gkanai`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:58.57`	`gkanai`	`Image '2nd', size 8192 bytes`
`05:58.58`	`gkanai`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:59.00`	`gkanai`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:59.01`	`gkanai`	`Image 'xloader', size 9088 bytes`
`05:59.03`	`gkanai`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:59.04`	`gkanai`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:59.06`	`gkanai`	`Image 'secondary', size 98432 bytes`
`05:59.07`	`gkanai`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:59.09`	`gkanai`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:59.10`	`gkanai`	`Suitable USB device not found, waiting`
`06:00.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Does it mount the cards when it's plugged in with USB when it's booted?`
`06:00.37`	`gkanai`	`hmm... the SD memory cards you mean?`
`06:00.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yes`
`06:01.20`	`gkanai`	`testing...`
`06:03.02`	`gkanai`	`erm, no, I dont think so?`
`06:03.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Well, something's wrong then.`
`06:03.46`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Try a different USB cable?`
`06:03.47`	`gkanai`	`there's 2 SD slots, the one inside the battery cover and the one in the bottom of the device`
`06:03.50`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Or a different machine?`
`06:03.59`	`johnx`	`when you plug it into your desktop via usb, the desktop should see both the internal and external card readers`
`06:03.59`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Erm`
`06:04.02`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Mount them on the computer.`
`06:04.16`	`gkanai`	`ok, will try`
`06:04.52`	`gkanai`	`do the two SD slots have different usages?`
`06:04.59`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Not particularly`
`06:05.04`	`johnx`	`kinda, sorta, not really`
`06:05.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The internal can be used for swap.`
`06:05.16`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hardware wise they're not any different.`
`06:05.16`	`johnx`	`the GUI app will only let you creat a swap file on the internal`
`06:05.25`	`gkanai`	`ok`
`06:05.30`	`GeneralAntilles`	`"Map" defaults to internal for storage.`
`06:05.32`	`johnx`	`and some apps are hard-wired to store things on the internal or external card`
`06:06.31`	`gkanai`	`hmm yeah I've tried both slots...`
`06:06.34`	`gkanai`	`and nothing`
`06:07.08`	`johnx`	`the computer doesn't react at all when you plug it in to usb?`
`06:07.20`	`johnx`	`want to post your dmesg to pastebin?`
`06:08.04`	`gkanai`	`hmm, yeah I'm trying this card on my expresscard32 reader on my MBP and it OS X doesnt see it`
`06:08.08`	`gkanai`	`maybe my card is bad`
`06:08.51`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Try flashing using the OS X machine?`
`06:09.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Just grab flasher-2.0.macosx`
`06:09.32`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Everything else is the same.`
`06:09.44`	`gkanai`	`oh really?`
`06:09.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Would Ubuntu happen to be in VMWare?`
`06:10.12`	`gkanai`	`yes, Parallels`
`06:10.16`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Ha`
`06:10.19`	`GeneralAntilles`	`That would explain it.`
`06:10.20`	`johnx`	`ahahahaha`
`06:10.32`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Flashing_OS2008_With_Mac_OS_X_%28Console%29`
`06:10.41`	`johnx`	`alright, that's the kind of thing we'd like to hear about first :)`
`06:11.02`	`gkanai`	`doh, i'm terribly sorry!`
`06:11.03`	`GeneralAntilles`	`slaps gkanai around with a rainbow trout. :P`
`06:11.08`	`johnx`	`good guess, GeneralAntilles :)`
`06:11.10`	`gkanai`	`ouch!`
`06:11.20`	`gkanai`	`I prefer salmon`
`06:11.30`	`gkanai`	`ok so where can I get the Mac launcher?`
`06:11.40`	`johnx`	`same directory as the linux flasher`
`06:11.43`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php`
`06:14.38`	`tank-man`	`is parallels so awesome that you did not think it to be the problem right away?`
`06:14.45`	`gkanai`	`is there a Flasher for Intel-Mac?`
`06:14.56`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Just use the ppc one`
`06:15.00`	`GeneralAntilles`	`it works fine under Rosetta.`
`06:15.02`	`gkanai`	`oh OK`
`06:15.09`	`GeneralAntilles`	`tank-man, it actually shouldn't be a problem.`
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`06:15.23`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You'd just have to enable that USB device for the vm.`
`06:15.41`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I haven't used Parallels (or even VMWare) particularly extensively, though, so I don't recall exactly how.`
`06:15.42`	`GeneralAntilles`	`is PPC.`
`06:16.50`	`gkanai`	`ok, er, its only 192k?`
`06:17.04`	`zerodegre`	`hey guys , is there a NES emu that works well for the N810?????`
`06:17.35`	`johnx`	`zerodegre, yeah, the one on ITT works pretty well. I forgot it's name`
`06:17.43`	`zerodegre`	`ITT?`
`06:17.47`	`gkanai`	`so how do I run this flasher under OSX?`
`06:17.54`	`johnx`	`internettablettalk.com/forums`
`06:17.55`	`KotCzarny`	`zerodegre: check pupnik.de`
`06:18.02`	`johnx`	`gkanai, exactly the same way as the Linux flasher`
`06:18.19`	`gkanai`	`ok`
`06:18.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`gkanai, you'll want to pull the .bin off of the vm image.`
`06:21.52`	`gkanai`	`willdo, I'm going to switch over to OS X, brb`
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`06:25.14`	`gkanai`	`ok, I'm back`
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`06:33.44`	`johnx`	`did it work gkanai ?`
`06:34.55`	`gkanai`	`I'm re-downloading the binaries from Nokia`
`06:35.04`	`johnx`	`ah, you don't need to`
`06:36.07`	`gkanai`	`how do I access the .bin on the Ubuntu partition?`
`06:36.26`	`gkanai`	`I'm also not seeing the USB cards in OS X...`
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`06:36.45`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You should be able to just drag and drop it from Ubuntu.`
`06:37.13`	`gkanai`	`hmm tried that, didnt work`
`06:39.16`	`rm_you`	`hey johnx :P`
`06:39.21`	`johnx`	`yo`
`06:39.24`	`rm_you`	`says hey randomly a lot :P`
`06:39.49`	`rm_you`	`thinking about opening up my n800 in the next couple of days to try to figure out what's loose`
`06:39.51`	`rm_you`	`and fix it`
`06:40.04`	`johnx`	`it's under warranty, right?`
`06:40.07`	`johnx`	`send it the heck back`
`06:40.08`	`rm_you`	`so i can use the damn thing again`
`06:40.08`	`johnx`	`seriously`
`06:40.10`	`gkanai`	`ok i now see both cards :)`
`06:40.10`	`rm_you`	`dunno >_>`
`06:40.16`	`rm_you`	`bought it late last july`
`06:40.24`	`rm_you`	`but used from ITT forums <_<`
`06:40.28`	`rm_you`	`so i dont have a receipt`
`06:40.35`	`johnx`	`you don't need one...`
`06:40.57`	`rm_you`	`well, the site says "probably out of warranty" and that i'd need one <_<`
`06:41.03`	`johnx`	`ah`
`06:41.08`	`johnx`	`lame :/`
`06:41.17`	`rm_you`	`though i might be able to get em to do it over the phone`
`06:41.21`	`rm_you`	`if i just said i lost it`
`06:41.24`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I would try before you open it. :P`
`06:41.34`	`rm_you`	`do they actually expect everyone to hang onto receipts for a year? >_>`
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`06:42.04`	`gkanai`	`so do I re-name this file .app for OS X?`
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`06:42.32`	`johnx`	`gkanai, you run the flasher from the command line...just like in Linux`
`06:42.37`	`gkanai`	`ok`
`06:42.59`	`rm_you`	`sleeps`
`06:43.22`	`johnx`	`is tired too...`
`06:43.26`	`johnx`	`'night rm_you`
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`06:47.51`	`gkanai`	`crap, I gotta run to a mtg, bb in 30 mins and will re-try then`
`06:53.00`	`gkanai`	`ok i have a few more minutes and its working!!!`
`06:53.08`	`johnx`	`w00!`
`06:53.13`	`gkanai`	`WOOOT IS CORRRECT!`
`06:53.26`	`gkanai`	`ok that's it?`
`06:53.31`	`johnx`	`nothing like using an OS that has access to the physical USB ports`
`06:53.33`	`johnx`	`yup`
`06:53.36`	`johnx`	`it's fast`
`06:53.50`	`johnx`	`and I think sometimes it prints a weird error at the end, so don't worry about that`
`06:54.24`	`gkanai`	`ok, now I really gotta run to my mtg`
`06:54.36`	`gkanai`	`THANK YOU #maemo!!!`
`06:54.49`	`johnx`	`sure. have fun. :)`
`06:54.52`	`gkanai`	`esp. johnx and Gen.Ant`
`06:55.20`	`KotCzarny`	`my name is #maemo, resistance is futile, you will be tabl0ized`
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`07:42.16`	`opendeep`	`Hello X_Fade_`
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`07:51.26`	`msh_`	`anyone run an irc client on their tablet?`
`07:52.07`	`qwerty12`	`Yeh, there's the ircomm upgrade, x-chat and pidgin. There's also irssi but I found it unstable.`
`07:52.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/`
`07:52.56`	`msh_`	`ah, cool`
`07:53.20`	`msh_`	`xterm irssi is kind of awkward`
`07:55.08`	`Proteous`	`...`
`07:55.37`	`Proteous`	`if by awkward you mean amazingly great then I agree`
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`07:56.19`	`Proteous`	`awkward like tony hawk on a skateboard will work too`
`07:56.29`	`Proteous`	`awkward like a spider in it's web`
`07:56.32`	`Proteous`	`its`
`07:56.33`	`Proteous`	`bah`
`07:56.50`	`GeneralAntilles`	`its . . . not worth it. :P`
`07:56.56`	`Proteous`	`yeah :/`
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`07:57.32`	`dpb_`	`I use the terminal to ssh to my server with screen/irssi`
`07:57.54`	`dpb_`	`It's quite usable`
`07:58.50`	`Proteous`	`the only thing that makes irssi awkward on my 770 is the lack of a slide out keyboard :p`
`08:01.07`	`asha`	`if only there was a hardware escape or meta key`
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`08:01.36`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Escape = back`
`08:05.39`	`gkanai\|away`	`ok, I'm back :)`
`08:05.42`	`keesj`	`asha: the escape it the button (under the hacker xterm anyway)`
`08:05.59`	`gkanai`	`what should I install if I just installed os2008?`
`08:06.13`	`keesj`	`gkanai: on what hardware`
`08:06.22`	`asha`	`keesj, i did but it's too far to move a thumb`
`08:06.49`	`gkanai`	`n800`
`08:07.56`	`msh_`	`just things like switching channels etc, it'd be easier to just tap a channel tab`
`08:08.24`	`msh_`	`and have privmsgs trigger the notify thing`
`08:08.48`	`msh_`	`and urls be clickable (that's just a xterm issue i know)`
`08:12.05`	`keesj`	`msh_: yes the hacker xterm has buttons on the right form "control-p" control-n and also screen controls control-a-n and such`
`08:12.25`	`keesj`	`I have not used it for a while`
`08:12.45`	`GeneralAntilles`	`gkanai, Canola, FBReader, Maemo Mapper, Doom, Quake I/II, Xchat, mplayer, x11vnc, OpenSSH, ScummVM, Vagalume, Numpty Physics, and mypaint.`
`08:12.51`	`msh_`	`aha, that'd work well`
`08:13.33`	`keesj`	`http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm`
`08:13.57`	`gkanai`	`GeneralAntilles: cool, thank you for a great list`
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`08:14.32`	`gkanai`	`can I download apps via the browser or do I need to load them via USB?`
`08:14.46`	`inz`	`keesj, didn't someone compile that version for os2008?`
`08:15.15`	`keesj`	`inz: I don't know , I have not used it for a while I must confes`
`08:15.16`	`qwerty12`	`I also <3 Transmission & gtk-gnutella`
`08:15.41`	`keesj`	`2008 has this default xterm , so it is harder to compete against`
`08:15.46`	`GeneralAntilles`	`gkanai, gronmayer.com/it`
`08:15.50`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Add the relevant repositories.`
`08:15.57`	`keesj`	`the hackers xterm should really become part of maemo`
`08:16.00`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Most of them are available if you just enabled Extras.`
`08:16.05`	`GeneralAntilles`	`You want Application manager.`
`08:16.11`	`inz`	`keesj, the version on os2008 is based on my version`
`08:16.17`	`inz`	`keesj, they just totally raped it ;)`
`08:16.18`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://sse2.net/xterm/`
`08:16.21`	`keesj`	`hah`
`08:16.27`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It's that damn UI spec.`
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`08:16.41`	`keesj`	`inz: will you be at linuxtag?`
`08:16.58`	`inz`	`keesj, nope`
`08:17.26`	`gkanai`	`GeneralAntilles: wow`
`08:17.44`	`inz`	`keesj, unless you can make up some good reason why my employer would send me there ;)`
`08:18.34`	`inz`	`General, yeah, UI specs are sometimes a bitch, but I think the first version was coded in too much hurry and is awfully ugly`
`08:18.54`	`keesj`	`first version of the specs?`
`08:19.07`	`GeneralAntilles`	`"sometimes" . . . mostly with maemo it seems to be "always". :P`
`08:19.26`	`inz`	`keesj, no first version of osso-xterm released by nokia`
`08:19.40`	`inz`	`keesj, or I'm not actually sure if they've released any newer ones`
`08:21.01`	`inz`	`keesj, I tried to fix it (and fix the uglyness from the source), but I've no idea if they used that code at all`
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`08:28.04`	`gkanai`	`does it matter which media you put on which SD card?`
`08:28.15`	`GeneralAntilles`	`How do you mean?`
`08:28.19`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Canola indexing?`
`08:28.21`	`jani`	`GeneralAntilles: totally agree =)`
`08:28.52`	`gkanai`	`say I'm moving some mp3s over- do they go on the internal card or the other one?`
`08:29.23`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Whichever you want`
`08:29.29`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Doesn't particularly matter.`
`08:29.38`	`gkanai`	`ok`
`08:29.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Personally, I use my internal card for swap and additional boot partitions`
`08:29.44`	`GeneralAntilles`	`the external is the media dump`
`08:31.02`	`gkanai`	`I've moved a file over to the external card but I dont see it in File manager`
`08:32.01`	`gkanai`	`are these WWF photos default?`
`08:36.10`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yes`
`08:40.52`	`gkanai`	`do i need to format the SD cards?`
`08:40.59`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Shouldn't`
`08:42.10`	`gkanai`	`ah, you have to disconnect the usb...`
`08:42.16`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Haha`
`08:42.30`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Can't mount them in more than one place. ;)`
`08:42.50`	`gkanai`	`right- makes sense but isn't intuitive`
`08:45.27`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Meh`
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`08:54.37`	`hrw`	`morning`
`08:55.19`	`AStorm`	`hello`
`08:55.42`	`hrw`	`http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/qemu-maemo-n800.png`
`08:56.18`	`AStorm`	`I've a question - where can I get the devel version of maemo for armel? (the one with full real coreutils etc.)`
`08:56.43`	`AStorm`	`I've my n810 prepared for multiboot now`
`08:58.18`	`hrw`	`what keeps you from installing normal coreutils?`
`08:59.25`	`hrw`	`http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/qemu-maemo-n800-2.png tells more`
`09:00.18`	`AStorm`	`hrw, obviously, conflict with busybox`
`09:00.46`	`hrw`	`AStorm: force installation`
`09:00.56`	`AStorm`	`and it'll work?`
`09:00.59`	`hrw`	`AStorm: I reported bug on wrong busybox package`
`09:01.00`	`hrw`	`should`
`09:01.08`	`AStorm`	`mhm`
`09:01.13`	`AStorm`	`the hack away`
`09:01.38`	`hrw`	`not a hack`
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`09:01.52`	`AStorm`	`btw, what are the flash speeds? (small, internal, external SDHC)`
`09:01.53`	`hrw`	`the only solution to broken maemo packaging`
`09:01.56`	`AStorm`	`mhm`
`09:02.42`	`AStorm`	`I'll better create a backup tarball first`
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`09:03.04`	`hrw`	`X-Fade: hi`
`09:03.45`	`AStorm`	`ouch`
`09:03.54`	`AStorm`	`it tries to remove:`
`09:04.10`	`AStorm`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:04.20`	`AStorm`	`sounds evil`
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`09:05.21`	`AStorm`	`it wants to remove too much`
`09:06.09`	`AStorm`	`"no longer relevant" e.g. osso-connectivity-ui`
`09:06.12`	`AStorm`	`:P`
`09:06.54`	`AStorm`	`dnsmasq, hal,etc :P`
`09:10.20`	`AStorm`	`so, what to do about it? (I'm talking live maemo)`
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`09:14.52`	`AStorm`	`wth does it try to drop 1/3 of the system?`
`09:34.44`	`gkanai`	`if the browser stops loading pages for some reason (and I know the wifi AP is ok) what can I do to troubleshoot microB?`
`09:35.34`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Restart the browser, reconnect to the ap, restart the device.`
`09:35.35`	`keesj`	`gkanai: what I done in the past in install webscarab on a pc and configure that as proxy server in connection settings`
`09:36.03`	`hrw`	`speaking of microb... does someone work on getting it updated to more recent Gecko?`
`09:36.12`	`GeneralAntilles`	`It'll be in Diablo, hrw.`
`09:36.19`	`keesj`	`unique was not 100% happy about that aproach (I commented it in the bugtracker)`
`09:38.06`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Somebody could compile the latest svn if they wanted to test the updated engine.`
`09:38.09`	`gkanai`	`keesj: this is so you can watch the http traffic?`
`09:39.23`	`hrw`	`GeneralAntilles: Diablo?`
`09:40.03`	`hrw`	`ah..`
`09:40.06`	`hrw`	`chinook+1`
`09:40.42`	`qwerty12`	`Is there any easy way of converting a diff file for an older version? I've been doing it by hand (finding lines etc), it works fine for a short youtube patch but not so great on a 500 KB IPv6 Kernel patch.`
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`09:42.55`	`gkanai`	`hm, so I restarted the device and now it browses.`
`09:44.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Either of the first two options work?`
`09:46.53`	`hrw`	`GeneralAntilles: http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/qemu-maemo-n800-2.png may interest you maybe`
`09:47.08`	`GeneralAntilles`	`What's the method?`
`09:47.18`	`hrw`	`qemu n800 emulation`
`09:47.23`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Be mildly interesting to package as a software demo.`
`09:47.49`	`hrw`	`GeneralAntilles: it is on a way to qemu mainline now`
`09:47.56`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Cool`
`09:48.17`	`hrw`	`development paid by Nokia, done by OpenedHand`
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`09:51.21`	`joyiou1`	`Hi, can I develop my own media player on N810 ?`
`09:51.39`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Sure! Why not?`
`09:51.42`	`joyiou1`	`Using gstreamer and the alsa device on N810 ?`
`09:51.44`	`AStorm`	`if only qemu would build with gcc 4.x`
`09:51.49`	`qwerty12`	`Shitfuck. I have 10,000 lines to convert of a patch and no promises it's gonna work.`
`09:52.43`	`joyiou1`	`Is there any difference between the N810 alsa device and the normal one ?`
`09:52.55`	`hrw`	`AStorm: I have gcc 3.4 and 4.2 in system`
`09:53.05`	`hrw`	`AStorm: 4.2 as default`
`09:53.06`	`AStorm`	`I had too`
`09:53.28`	`AStorm`	`guess I'll have to build the scratchbox`
`09:53.50`	`AStorm`	`but... I want a devel system on N810 too`
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`10:10.18`	`florian`	`good morning`
`10:10.22`	`pupnik`	`If anyone has actually developed something on the device, i haven't heard of it.`
`10:10.24`	`pupnik`	`hi florian`
`10:10.27`	`qwerty12`	`morning`
`10:10.44`	`florian`	`http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/321850501ace52b4b59ab38f71ff5487.png`
`10:11.12`	`florian`	`Maemo Sync like it currently looks...`
`10:11.28`	`pupnik`	`it is for syncing what?`
`10:11.52`	`florian`	`pupnik: Whatever OpenSync supports - usually PIM data.`
`10:12.14`	`pupnik`	`cool`
`10:12.51`	`florian`	`Currently its use is limited, OpenSync 0.3x is not that stable yet and the lacking documentation of the new syncml plugin is a real showstopper.`
`10:13.35`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Khertan would be the one doing real development on-device, pupnik.`
`10:13.53`	`pupnik`	`neat`
`10:14.16`	`florian`	`But they mention to have it working with "big iron" such as Scheduleworld... this will be pretty nice.`
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`10:15.30`	`pupnik`	`yes an important addition`
`10:15.49`	`pupnik`	`perhaps the most important?`
`10:16.26`	`pupnik`	`(pim stuff)`
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`10:20.25`	`florian`	`there is still a lot of work to do, but free time is limited - like always :-/`
`10:22.09`	`AStorm`	`they should mod. both dates to support recurrence (release it, dammit)`
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`10:22.24`	`AStorm`	`and tasks to support the states from gpe-todo`
`10:22.36`	`AStorm`	`and bind to alarmd`
`10:23.31`	`AStorm`	`when abiword is ready... it will be the office machine`
`10:32.19`	`AStorm`	`btw, could someone provide a working vmware image of devel env?`
`10:33.20`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ No?`
`10:33.40`	`qwerty12`	`Hmm, I don't think many people are willing to upload a 2GB+ file`
`10:33.48`	`AStorm`	`tried it, couldn't build anything`
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`10:34.02`	`AStorm`	`tried to install stuff, apt failed`
`10:34.57`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Seems to work fine for most people.`
`10:35.38`	`lcuk`	`astorm, i use the vmware image every day and it does have everything needed. however eclipse seemed quirky so i just use the console and target directly for armel instead of the xephyr emulator`
`10:35.55`	`lcuk`	`what did you need to install?`
`10:36.20`	`AStorm`	`tried that maemo-toolbox or something`
`10:36.43`	`AStorm`	`maybe it's another image... iNdT branded one, right?`
`10:37.15`	`lcuk`	`yer`
`10:37.33`	`lcuk`	`i just installed the chinook doofer by clicking on the desktop then run with the console on the desktop also`
`10:37.36`	`qwerty12`	`Anybody knows a place where to upload files where the people wont give a shit about licenses? Not warez but I'm not sure if I am allowed to distrobute something :/`
`10:37.40`	`AStorm`	`mhm, I told you about my problem with it earlier`
`10:37.40`	`lcuk`	`that starts an sb session`
`10:37.45`	`AStorm`	`here it installed`
`10:37.48`	`lcuk`	`i enter the folder and can run make or whatever`
`10:37.53`	`AStorm`	`but not thee real maemo`
`10:38.01`	`AStorm`	`no, I can't :/`
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`10:44.01`	`lcuk`	`astorm, what happens if you open the console, cd into sample_sources/chinook/c-samples and run make`
`10:44.12`	`AStorm`	`that works`
`10:44.26`	`AStorm`	`installing anything through apt doesn't`
`10:45.37`	`lcuk`	`are you trying to install things onto the actual ubuntu box or into the scratchbox session?`
`10:46.29`	`lcuk`	`ie, does it work from the gui system/addremove`
`10:46.35`	`AStorm`	`sbox`
`10:47.41`	`lcuk`	`it has got network access out and you can ping and connect to things cant you?`
`10:47.46`	`AStorm`	`yes`
`10:48.02`	`AStorm`	`I installed the environment as per howto`
`10:48.46`	`lcuk`	`hmm, i do remember something like this at the start. and something in the back of my head is saying apt-get update or clean or whatever the command is was needed`
`10:49.00`	`AStorm`	`hmmhmm`
`10:49.09`	`lcuk`	`it might not be specifically that but its ringing a bell now you said that`
`10:49.15`	`AStorm`	`I'll try random stuff`
`10:49.30`	`AStorm`	`once I get vmware running under 2.6.25`
`10:49.52`	`lcuk`	`i know someone else had similar problem in here and i tried along with them and what they did was also failing on there but then it started working. i think on mine though it was connectivity`
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`10:50.08`	`lcuk`	`if i remember specifics ill let you know`
`10:51.38`	`lcuk`	`http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-15445.html`
`10:51.58`	`AStorm`	`let's see`
`10:52.39`	`AStorm`	`nah, I did copy resolv.conf`
`10:53.00`	`lcuk`	`so what hap[pens if you apt-get update`
`10:53.32`	`qwerty12`	`Can you make rxvt open a different tty? I'm playing with a build I've got on my N800.`
`10:53.54`	`AStorm`	`lcuk: something "Installation failed" or so`
`10:54.27`	`AStorm`	`and the repo about provided-pkgs is invalid`
`10:54.37`	`AStorm`	`maemo-provided or so`
`10:54.44`	`AStorm`	`that file doesn't exist`
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`10:57.31`	`lcuk`	`not sure without specifics if you pastebin the messages someone may have seen and point you in the right direction. ive gotta get back to dayjob`
`10:57.47`	`AStorm`	`I'll get them`
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`10:59.25`	`AStorm`	`still, I'd love to get a full devel env on the tablet itself`
`10:59.38`	`AStorm`	`even a Debian would do`
`10:59.54`	`AStorm`	`(powerlauncher anyone :)`
`11:01.05`	`AStorm`	`link to "Debian on N8x0 howto" please?`
`11:01.43`	`qwerty12`	`http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=145303`
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`11:02.40`	`AStorm`	`I'll probably use a custom desktop env. based on Xfce`
`11:02.42`	`qwerty12`	`This also may intrest you too http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6737`
`11:02.53`	`Khertan_n810`	`Hi !`
`11:02.59`	`qwerty12`	`Hello :)`
`11:03.21`	`qwerty12`	`AStorm, if you do try out the second link ,look here too http://khertan.net/softwares/pygtkeditor.php`
`11:03.39`	`AStorm`	`I do have the toolchain`
`11:03.49`	`AStorm`	`but not autotools, real sed or coreutils`
`11:04.09`	`Khertan_n810`	`what s the problem with pygtkeditor ?`
`11:04.28`	`AStorm`	`none, but I like vim-7 better :)`
`11:04.47`	`qwerty12`	`No problems, AStorm is on about compiling on tablet, I said to use pygtkeditor because its meant for programming imho`
`11:04.50`	`Khertan_n810`	`lol really ?`
`11:05.14`	`Khertan_n810`	`vim-7 on a nit ...`
`11:05.16`	`AStorm`	`the trick is getting real coreutils in here`
`11:06.02`	`AStorm`	`VIM - Vi IMproved 7.0 (2006 May 7, compiled Dec 18 2007 01:08:12)`
`11:06.12`	`AStorm`	`works well`
`11:06.51`	`Khertan_n810`	`but is it really useable with the small keyboard ?`
`11:07.10`	`AStorm`	`close`
`11:07.17`	`Khertan_n810`	`:)`
`11:07.20`	`AStorm`	`you need escape mappped`
`11:07.27`	`Khertan_n810`	`of course`
`11:07.40`	`inz`	`Escape is mapped`
`11:07.53`	`AStorm`	`yup, on the arrow button`
`11:08.00`	`Khertan_n810`	`i ve never like vim ... but it s just a question of feeling`
`11:08.13`	`inz`	`It's just a question of learning`
`11:08.14`	`inz`	`;)`
`11:08.32`	`Khertan_n810`	`no no i know how to use it ...`
`11:08.35`	`lcuk`	`escape on 810 is in handy location already - tab should be mapped though to the dpad centre ;)`
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`11:09.31`	`AStorm`	`yup`
`11:09.40`	`AStorm`	`and you can do that with xmodmap`
`11:09.43`	`AStorm`	`:P`
`11:09.53`	`Khertan_n810`	`but as an old mac user i found 'gui' too complex to use ... escape truc for many thing ... too many key to tape for many thigs`
`11:09.54`	`AStorm`	`left and right enter are different`
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`11:10.14`	`Khertan_n810`	`+n`
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`11:11.11`	`AStorm`	`still, I need to rewrite keyb. layout for Polish, fihally`
`11:11.14`	`Khertan_n810`	`as i hate contextual menu ... it s just a feeling`
`11:11.39`	`AStorm`	`use fn+shift correctly`
`11:12.12`	`Khertan_n810`	`and i found that having choice is a good thing users can choose what they prefers`
`11:12.22`	`AStorm`	`yup`
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`11:13.20`	`Khertan_n810`	`it s one of the things i like when using a gnu linux istribution`
`11:13.36`	`AStorm`	`that's why I use Gentoo :)`
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`11:13.47`	`Khertan_n810`	`the best is however kOS :)`
`11:13.59`	`AStorm`	`blah, blah`
`11:14.05`	`AStorm`	`I need real devel`
`11:14.20`	`Khertan_n810`	`my own :) just an lfs`
`11:14.32`	`Khertan_n810`	`devel ?`
`11:14.39`	`AStorm`	`ah, no, too high maintenance`
`11:14.47`	`AStorm`	`did that for some time`
`11:16.13`	`Khertan_n810`	`i found i ve less maintainace than ubuntu that i fix at each update`
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`11:17.25`	`Khertan_n810`	`must go back at work bye`
`11:18.11`	`AStorm`	`btw, new evince doesn't explode with large pdfs anymore`
`11:18.51`	`AStorm`	`(or cause ooms)`
`11:24.22`	`pupnik`	`is there a nifty keen way to cache a google book?`
`11:24.29`	`pupnik`	`for example http://books.google.com/books?id=UKIVcw8nrUcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=voluntary+city&ei=Hqb9R-6OG428zAT6kq2fBA&sig=-40ce2QA18mTqstMFEk0d2AggjU#PPP1,M1 "The Voluntary City: Choice, Community, and Civil Society"`
`11:27.02`	`AStorm`	`pupnik: httrack?`
`11:27.49`	`pupnik`	`hmm interesting`
`11:28.16`	`pupnik`	`i do think google tries to prevent that`
`11:28.39`	`AStorm`	`why? you can dump browser cache or save the websit`
`11:28.49`	`AStorm`	`*website`
`11:29.12`	`AStorm`	`or use some http proxy (there is one for maemo... check app-man)`
`11:31.29`	`AStorm`	`hmm, will maemo detect any swap file, or does it haveto be on internal flash? (e.g.symlink)`
`11:31.56`	`AStorm`	`or do I have to mod fstab?`
`11:33.27`	`AStorm`	`any way will do, blah`
`11:33.33`	`AStorm`	`still, I've a q`
`11:33.49`	`AStorm`	`is there a way to make gpe-calendar use alarmd?`
`11:35.19`	`pupnik`	`sorry i don't know`
`11:35.29`	`AStorm`	`its crummy alarms don't have a sound`
`11:35.44`	`AStorm`	`if they did, it'd be ok`
`11:35.46`	`pupnik`	`hard to believe actually`
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`11:36.28`	`AStorm`	`ah, they do`
`11:36.35`	`AStorm`	`some weirdness :P`
`11:36.44`	`AStorm`	`still, alarmd is nicer`
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`11:51.39`	`inz`	`AStorm, alarmd doesn't actually do the alarms, it just tells systemui to show a dialog`
`11:52.28`	`AStorm`	`I know`
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`11:54.39`	`AStorm`	`do you know how to get locking in chr key?`
`11:55.01`	`AStorm`	`(want to use it as a modifier)`
`11:55.23`	`AStorm`	`bonus points for locking ctrl`
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`11:58.50`	`KaaLinoin`	`what is chr anyway`
`11:59.33`	`AStorm`	`the key that shows the stupid char list`
`11:59.51`	`AStorm`	`it is level 8 modifier though, and can be used in ukeyboard`
`12:00.04`	`KaaLinoin`	`ill try.. ive been wonderin what it is.. :D`
`12:00.11`	`AStorm`	`I want to have it autoock`
`12:00.20`	`AStorm`	`like shift or fn`
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`12:00.47`	`AStorm`	`ofc mapping lvl 8 will disable the chr list`
`12:01.33`	`AStorm`	`but it is yucky anyway`
`12:02.44`	`KaaLinoin`	`how to lock fn?`
`12:02.57`	`AStorm`	`press it and it is locked`
`12:03.20`	`AStorm`	`reacts after you press another key, as opposed to holding`
`12:03.40`	`AStorm`	`double press and it is locked until it is pressed again`
`12:04.04`	`KaaLinoin`	`double press was what i was lookin for`
`12:04.37`	`AStorm`	`I want to enable that for ctrl and other modifiers too`
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`12:10.22`	`AStorm`	`... some maemo-hacker, help?`
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`12:38.27`	`AStorm`	`hmm, now chr shows the screen keyboard with symbols, funny...`
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`12:40.12`	`AStorm`	`funny, it forgot that hw keyboard is extended`
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`12:57.58`	`termsig`	`guys any one know where i can find kismet for os2008?`
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`12:58.56`	`_maniac_`	`Hello, is maemo suitable for other tablet pc?`
`12:59.19`	`AStorm`	`not directly`
`12:59.41`	`AStorm`	`you'd need to replace some drivers probably`
`12:59.54`	`AStorm`	`iff they're the same CPU`
`13:00.06`	`AStorm`	`if not, you're out of luck`
`13:00.23`	`johnx`	`_maniac_, you can run a limited sub-set on any Debian system. That will get you just the core open source parts`
`13:00.26`	`AStorm`	`also, x server would have to be rebuilt`
`13:00.45`	`AStorm`	`as xserver-omap supports only powervr`
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`13:01.31`	`_maniac_`	`oh...`
`13:01.40`	`_maniac_`	`its not good`
`13:01.55`	`_maniac_`	`any chances of getting linux work on toshiba portege 3500?`
`13:02.53`	`AStorm`	`approx. 0`
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`13:02.59`	`glass`	`attach a usb dvd drive and pop in a livedvd and try?`
`13:03.00`	`AStorm`	`protege is x86`
`13:03.22`	`AStorm`	`you could run the devel scratchbox on it though`
`13:03.32`	`_maniac_`	`_any_linux_ that supports wacom digitiser and can rotate screen`
`13:03.32`	`glass`	`AStorm: the line said linux`
`13:04.05`	`johnx`	`yeah, it will probably work...google tells me that someone was doing that in 2003`
`13:04.16`	`johnx`	`(running linux on a portege 3500)`
`13:04.21`	`AStorm`	`_maniac_: most do`
`13:04.32`	`AStorm`	`after you install wacom drivers`
`13:04.44`	`AStorm`	`Ubuntu supports that, i.e.`
`13:04.47`	`Navi`	`It's an x86 tablet PC`
`13:05.03`	`Navi`	`don't see why you can't :P`
`13:05.14`	`_maniac_`	`ok. I'll try. thanks.`
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`13:05.23`	`johnx`	`O_o`
`13:06.11`	`AStorm`	`why did he end up here? :P`
`13:06.53`	`johnx`	`maybe googled for tablet and got maemo info`
`13:07.01`	`Navi`	`probably`
`13:07.02`	`AStorm`	`btw, any idea where can I configure sticky keys of maemo?`
`13:07.06`	`AStorm`	`:)`
`13:07.39`	`AStorm`	`want to add stickiness to ctrl and level5 shift`
`13:07.43`	`Navi`	`I kind of want a full tablet PC to draw on`
`13:07.57`	`Navi`	`but I don't gots teh moolah`
`13:08.02`	`AStorm`	`Navi: they're very expensive :/`
`13:08.09`	`Navi`	`Plus, I suck at drawing anyways >_>`
`13:08.25`	`Navi`	`is out of practice`
`13:08.34`	`AStorm`	`... ;( where is thnat config of sticky keys...`
`13:08.58`	`AStorm`	`maybe it's X config or at-spi...`
`13:09.56`	`AStorm`	`no X config`
`13:10.02`	`AStorm`	`no option in hal`
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`13:13.04`	`Khertan`	`re`
`13:13.49`	`Veggen_`	`Astorm: mmm, tell me when you find out the stickiness :)`
`13:14.02`	`AStorm`	`if I find it`
`13:14.09`	`Veggen_`	`(I'll probably look for the answer myself, too, when I find the time)`
`13:14.14`	`AStorm`	`it is software definitely`
`13:14.17`	`Khertan`	`why all free xhtml/css web site template look like so the same with different colors ...`
`13:14.19`	`Khertan`	`?`
`13:14.27`	`AStorm`	`done by hildon-input-method`
`13:15.39`	`Veggen_`	`Astorm: They have done something very weird with the xkb stuff. I tried modifying the fisenoda layout, that's the one I use, and couldn't get it to work.`
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`13:16.03`	`Veggen_`	`Then I copied the setup to the "de" layout, and there it worked.`
`13:16.04`	`AStorm`	`try ukeyboard, will you?`
`13:16.13`	`Veggen_`	`ukeyboard?`
`13:17.15`	`AStorm`	`yeah, google for it`
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`13:17.42`	`jott`	`i bet the stickiness is hidden in hildon-input-method-framework`
`13:18.22`	`jott`	`it would be too easy for nokia to use xaccess`
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`13:19.18`	`johnx`	`way to easy. Don't ever acuse Nokia of taking the easy way out when it comes to just reusing someone else's open source code. :P`
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`13:20.43`	`AStorm`	`:P`
`13:20.57`	`AStorm`	`they should've just used at-spi`
`13:21.07`	`AStorm`	`as GNOME intended`
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`13:21.32`	`jott`	`but its hildon not gnome :P`
`13:21.41`	`AStorm`	`found a nice thing, hildon-im-xkbtool`
`13:21.52`	`AStorm`	`you can set typematic rate there`
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`13:25.18`	`AStorm`	`I'll try xmodmap stickiness options...`
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`13:27.47`	`AStorm`	`let's see how OLPC does that`
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`13:31.13`	`AStorm`	`it might be that they use accessX, but badly configures`
`13:31.58`	`jott`	`AStorm: just patch hildon-i-m-framework :>`
`13:32.34`	`AStorm`	`yeah sure`
`13:32.49`	`Khertan`	`what do u think of this two template ? http://www.webshapes.org/public/templates/200702244689405768/index_blue.html#, http://www.deepaurelia.com/templates/nature2/`
`13:32.52`	`AStorm`	`rather disable it and just use accessx`
`13:32.55`	`AStorm`	`:P`
`13:33.06`	`jott`	`and patch Xomap to support accessx? :)`
`13:33.22`	`AStorm`	`all X servers since XFree86 3 support it`
`13:33.34`	`AStorm`	`unless they ripped support out`
`13:33.37`	`AStorm`	`:P`
`13:33.53`	`jott`	`well its kdrive not xorg/xfree86 who knows ;)`
`13:34.08`	`AStorm`	`I think the mod is done in some gtk config file`
`13:34.21`	`johnx`	`Khertan, I prefer the first. I run firefox at ~800 pixels wide on N800 and desktop, so having the content to the left looks better to me`
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`13:36.08`	`Khertan`	`johnx > good point ... menu on right`
`13:36.27`	`AStorm`	`I had once managed to get menu on right`
`13:36.36`	`Khertan`	`it s made it easy to display text ... but more difficult to navigate`
`13:36.39`	`AStorm`	`some weird situation`
`13:36.49`	`AStorm`	`it became movable somehow`
`13:37.04`	`jott`	`AStorm: after rotation it get moveable`
`13:37.16`	`Khertan`	`in fact i m still looking for something new ... mine is too grey ...`
`13:37.28`	`Khertan`	`more funny ... more web 2.0 ... more more :)`
`13:37.35`	`johnx`	`Khertan, well the other thing is that the first design (blue/grey) actually fits in my browser window, while the second has unused space on the left and thus requires horizontal scrolling...`
`13:37.36`	`Khertan`	`i'm still have no idea ...`
`13:37.58`	`Khertan`	`johnx > it s due to stupid fix center`
`13:38.03`	`AStorm`	`hmmhmm`
`13:38.09`	`Khertan`	`johnx > that could be easily fixed`
`13:38.20`	`johnx`	`it really seems like there just aren't that many good proportional templates out there...`
`13:38.21`	`Navi`	`web 2.0 is teh sux`
`13:38.21`	`AStorm`	`now my chr key stopped responding, lol`
`13:38.46`	`Khertan`	`Navi > depends on what you name web 2.0`
`13:38.54`	`Khertan`	`for me it s a progress ...`
`13:38.55`	`jott`	`AStorm: xomap seems to support accessx`
`13:39.00`	`Khertan`	`css2 / xhtml :)`
`13:39.01`	`GeneralAntilles`	`I'm ready for Web 3.0!`
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`13:39.07`	`AStorm`	`jott: whee`
`13:39.14`	`Khertan`	`for other it s just stupid social web site ...`
`13:39.19`	`Navi`	`Khertan, pfft, css2 is depreciated. css3 \o/`
`13:39.23`	`jott`	`probably has to be started with +accessx`
`13:39.27`	`AStorm`	`now we only have to mod hildon-input-method`
`13:39.32`	`johnx`	`"Web 2.0" the buzz word is kind of annoying, and often incorrectly used to hype things. But a lot of the stuff built with AJAX seems nice`
`13:39.36`	`AStorm`	`to disable its own stickies`
`13:39.44`	`Khertan`	`navi > so you say that microb is depreciated too ?`
`13:39.46`	`Khertan`	`:)`
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`13:39.55`	`Navi`	`Khertan, yes`
`13:39.59`	`Khertan`	`oki :)`
`13:40.07`	`Navi`	`At least the current build is`
`13:40.20`	`Navi`	`for 4.0`
`13:40.28`	`Khertan`	`the purpose is that my futur site doesn't look ugly on microb too`
`13:40.39`	`Khertan`	`:)`
`13:40.40`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Keep it simple!`
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`13:41.00`	`Khertan`	`GeneralAntilles > yes ... it s the difficulty`
`13:41.09`	`Khertan`	`simple ... but look beautiful ;)`
`13:41.11`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Web 2.0 really doesn't have all that much to do with css or xhtml.`
`13:42.26`	`MangoFusion`	`marketing hype, that's all it is`
`13:42.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Mostly`
`13:42.56`	`Khertan`	`all free template look like the default wordpress blog template ...`
`13:43.11`	`Khertan`	`how i can found idea with this ! :P`
`13:44.00`	`hrw`	`http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/11/nokia-n800-emulation/`
`13:44.11`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Make your own.`
`13:44.49`	`jott`	`hrw: nice`
`13:45.35`	`Khertan`	`GeneralAntilles > it s what i do ... but i leak idea on how it should be ... it s why i'm looking other`
`13:45.54`	`Khertan`	`look at the actual ... i ve done it myself ... but ... heak ... !`
`13:46.00`	`johnx`	`hrw, that rocks! I'll definitely look at that later`
`13:46.16`	`hrw`	`jott: when it will be finished (with networking and more storage) it will be nice test platform. with distcc support it will also fly as sdk tool`
`13:46.56`	`X-Fade`	`hrw: Oh that looks really sweet!`
`13:47.42`	`jott`	`indeed. with networking this will rock for testing stuff`
`13:47.52`	`qwerty12_N800`	`hrw: great! I hate connecting over usb`
`13:48.42`	`Veggen`	`Astorm: I'm mapping all the characters I use on the chr key, and use it as a ISO_Level5_switch/Mod3`
`13:48.57`	`Khertan`	`http://cretin-mobile.fr/`
`13:48.58`	`Khertan`	`hihi`
`13:49.00`	`Veggen`	`(thus not getting the popup keyboard, but I don't mind that)`
`13:49.03`	`Khertan`	`oopss ... sorry`
`13:49.07`	`Khertan`	`ww`
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`13:51.54`	`MangoFusion`	`neat`
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`13:52.59`	`lopz`	`hi`
`13:57.46`	`hrw`	`Veggen: use ukeyboard for own keymap too`
`13:58.09`	`hrw`	`Veggen: it already contain my keymap (Polish) which use Chr key for extra chars`
`13:58.37`	`AStorm`	`which is pointless w/o sticky chr`
`13:58.39`	`AStorm`	`:P`
`13:58.55`	`AStorm`	`hmmhmm`
`13:59.07`	`AStorm`	`now, let's see how accessx works`
`13:59.10`	`AStorm`	`brb`
`13:59.15`	`hrw`	`AStorm: I blame nokia^Wmaemo for it`
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`14:05.57`	`AStorm`	`need a thingy to configure it`
`14:10.58`	`AStorm`	`hahaha`
`14:11.05`	`AStorm`	`standard combos`
`14:11.21`	`AStorm`	`5x shift = sticky keys`
`14:13.24`	`AStorm`	`this works for ctrl at least, checking chr...`
`14:14.24`	`AStorm`	`works too, complete success`
`14:14.37`	`Veggen`	`Astorm: hm?`
`14:14.39`	`AStorm`	`it seems to be disabled bz switching apps`
`14:15.26`	`Veggen`	`I seem to remember that some things could be done either locally in the app or globally.`
`14:15.42`	`Veggen`	`(i.e. valid for only app or all X session)`
`14:15.57`	`AStorm`	`yup`
`14:17.04`	`AStorm`	`ok`
`14:17.38`	`AStorm`	`now I have to create a polish ukezboard like this for german keyboard`
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`14:18.05`	`AStorm`	`Å¼ will be mapped to chr+y`
`14:18.38`	`AStorm`	`(to not break numbers)`
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`14:19.27`	`hrw`	`AStorm: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/05/polish-layout-for-n810-hardware-keyboard/`
`14:20.18`	`AStorm`	`I have that`
`14:20.33`	`AStorm`	`but I have a german keyboard`
`14:20.39`	`AStorm`	`so.`
`14:21.01`	`AStorm`	`we can use cheap-accessx util`
`14:21.24`	`hrw`	`AStorm: and you want qwertz layout?`
`14:21.32`	`AStorm`	`no`
`14:21.37`	`hrw`	`so?`
`14:21.41`	`jott`	`his hardware is qwertz ;)`
`14:21.47`	`AStorm`	`only proper specials on Fn`
`14:21.54`	`AStorm`	`:)`
`14:22.21`	`hrw`	`jott: but <AB01> is still <AB01>`
`14:22.27`	`jott`	`indeed`
`14:22.32`	`AStorm`	`right now im tzping them blind`
`14:22.34`	`hrw`	`so only marks on keyboard are different`
`14:22.41`	`AStorm`	`yup`
`14:22.47`	`AStorm`	`and im used to them`
`14:23.00`	`AStorm`	`I can live with y and z swapped`
`14:23.08`	`hrw`	`AStorm: ok - so you want Polish layout with German marks?`
`14:23.10`	`AStorm`	`but not with all the specials diff`
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`14:23.28`	`AStorm`	`I can write a better one mzself, thanks`
`14:23.59`	`hrw`	`AStorm: install ukeyboard, create layout for you and send it to me ok?`
`14:24.03`	`AStorm`	`which will make use of all buckz bits avail`
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`14:24.14`	`AStorm`	`I have ukeyboard alreadzy`
`14:24.29`	`AStorm`	`gah :P`
`14:24.45`	`hrw`	`ok, but as author of Polish layout in ukeyboard I want to get alternative one too`
`14:24.58`	`AStorm`	`you will :)`
`14:25.07`	`AStorm`	`Im writing it now`
`14:25.11`	`hrw`	`ok`
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`14:39.01`	`guardian`	`what does "Ign file: chinook Release" message mean when running apt-get inside a chinook (4.0) target ?`
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`15:01.26`	`AStorm`	`hmmhmm`
`15:02.10`	`AStorm`	`is there a "SIX_LEVEL" setting in xkb definition file?`
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`15:02.56`	`hrw`	`no idea`
`15:03.07`	`hrw`	`guys: which pdf viewer for os2008 you suggest?`
`15:03.24`	`AStorm`	`evince rocks`
`15:03.38`	`AStorm`	`its already available`
`15:03.38`	`hrw`	`which repo?`
`15:03.59`	`AStorm`	`extras-devel has a non-crashy version`
`15:04.21`	`hrw`	`ok`
`15:06.19`	`KiKi__`	`hardware question: what is the typical current at loading a N800?`
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`15:06.37`	`hrw`	`AStorm: I did not had extras-devel enabled ;D`
`15:07.51`	`KiKi__`	`any ideas? should be about 300 - 500 mA, would it be possible to load with less than 300 mA ?`
`15:08.51`	`hrw`	`KiKi__: what you are charging with?`
`15:09.14`	`hrw`	`crap 4th party charger which costs 3 cents?`
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`15:10.59`	`KiKi__`	`no, i plan to load my n800 with a solar cell`
`15:12.04`	`KiKi__`	`voltage is fixed to 5V with about 250 mA @ max sun`
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`15:12.40`	`hrw`	`in worst situation it will not charge`
`15:13.09`	`hrw`	`I use nokia ac-4e which gives 5v 890mA`
`15:13.43`	`hrw`	`but also have nokia acp-12x 5.7v/800mA (n810 charger)`
`15:13.49`	`hrw`	`ac-4e is from 770`
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`15:14.41`	`hrw`	`acp-7e give 3.7v/355mA but I do not like that one`
`15:15.03`	`hrw`	`ac-4x gives 5v/890mA`
`15:15.14`	`hrw`	`ok, no more nokia chargers here`
`15:16.01`	`hrw`	`acp-7e is clone of nokia one`
`15:16.58`	`KiKi__`	`possibility 1: load a small cell-pack (6 or even 7.2V) with the solar cell and load the N800 with the cells or possibility 2: take a bigger solar cell and hope, that there is enourgh current`
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`15:24.21`	`AStorm`	`or 3`
`15:24.54`	`AStorm`	`take a small cell pack and load the battery while N is running`
`15:25.50`	`KiKi__`	`thats the idea... but why not use a small solarcell to load the cell-pack`
`15:26.12`	`AStorm`	`I have some TF1 clone which is rated 650 mA`
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`16:03.40`	`fysa`	`could you have a solar cell and a crank?`
`16:05.24`	`KiKi__`	`crank ?`
`16:06.04`	`KiKi__`	`crank = idea ?`
`16:06.26`	`KiKi__`	`sorry, my english isnt so good`
`16:09.10`	`fysa`	`hand creek`
`16:09.11`	`fysa`	`..`
`16:09.12`	`fysa`	`hand crank`
`16:09.14`	`fysa`	`one sec`
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`16:09.44`	`fysa`	`http://www.cellphone-store.com/motfreec98bl.html`
`16:12.09`	`KiKi__`	`lol ... no, a hand crank is NO option ...`
`16:13.59`	`hrw\|gone`	`I will mention http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/11/nokia-n800-emulation/ once more ;D`
`16:14.13`	`KiKi__`	`but a solarcell at 175 * 110 mm shout be enourgh for loading the N800 2 times a day`
`16:14.15`	`qwerty12`	`I was already on that page :P`
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`16:14.26`	`eka`	`hi all`
`16:14.28`	`KiKi__`	`at a sunny day`
`16:14.39`	`eka`	`its there any port of the preload?`
`16:15.02`	`eka`	`cause I have seen how fast the iPhone loads all the apps, and I feel bad about it`
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`16:20.10`	`KiKi__`	`what is the best office application for N800 ?`
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`16:38.03`	`qwerty12`	`Does anyone have a list of the OS2008 media players that use gstreamer?`
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`17:02.53`	`pupnik`	`from wiki.answers.com, category Computer History: "What is the difference between 8 bit and 16 bit ina computer" A: 8 bit computer can only display 256 colors while a 16 bit computer can display 64,000 colors`
`17:03.08`	`KotCzarny`	`lol`
`17:03.31`	`wom-`	`:)`
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`17:11.35`	`elb`	`sergio_: in or out, boy`
`17:11.57`	`sergio_`	`ei sorry guy`
`17:12.08`	`sergio_`	`just trying some xchat script magic :-)`
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`17:14.18`	`elb`	`one normally tries such things without auto-joining large public channels`
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`17:16.10`	`hd420`	`is wondering where to find openssh for os 2008`
`17:16.55`	`khertan__`	`in a repository ...`
`17:17.02`	`inz`	`maemo extras`
`17:17.10`	`KotCzarny`	`i wondering if hd420 is lazy or just has broken repos`
`17:17.15`	`KotCzarny`	`*is`
`17:17.30`	`hd420`	`Kot: the latter`
`17:17.44`	`lcuk`	`grabs a beer`
`17:17.46`	`hd420`	`I just upgraded to the latest os image, so lost my repositories`
`17:17.54`	`lcuk`	`offers anyone a bottle`
`17:18.05`	`KotCzarny`	`try enabling extras repos as inz suggested`
`17:18.09`	`KotCzarny`	`in app-man`
`17:18.17`	`KotCzarny`	`hi lcuk`
`17:18.25`	`lcuk`	`evening kot :) productive day?`
`17:18.30`	`KotCzarny`	`erm`
`17:18.33`	`lcuk`	`lol`
`17:18.37`	`KotCzarny`	`i would like some sleep`
`17:18.38`	`lcuk`	`ok, productive night?`
`17:18.39`	`KotCzarny`	`really`
`17:18.41`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`17:18.42`	`lcuk`	`oh you havent yet`
`17:18.52`	`lcuk`	`you sound like i did yesterday`
`17:19.06`	`lcuk`	`its been like im dyslexic for the last couple of days`
`17:19.18`	`lcuk`	`ive been thinking im typing clearly but its all mumbojumbo`
`17:19.28`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`17:19.44`	`hd420`	`ok... i see the distribution is blank, is that what it's supposed to be?`
`17:20.05`	`lcuk`	`if you are going off shift is the latest on ftp - i feel a couple of new modules coming`
`17:20.16`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`17:20.30`	`KotCzarny`	`if you can use latest`
`17:20.33`	`lcuk`	`excellent, ill have a shuftie properly now and see whats happenin`
`17:20.39`	`KotCzarny`	`i won't touch the code`
`17:20.58`	`KotCzarny`	`have you tried circles fun ?`
`17:21.15`	`lcuk`	`i saw them for about 3 seconds this morning before my nit died of battery fatigue`
`17:21.21`	`KotCzarny`	`heehe`
`17:21.40`	`KotCzarny`	`btw. aa is controlled in plot/outpixel function`
`17:21.49`	`KotCzarny`	`don't remember exactly`
`17:21.56`	`KotCzarny`	`look for *0.8`
`17:21.57`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
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`17:23.59`	`lcuk`	`ill move into yours..`
`17:25.58`	`lopz`	`Someone used pybluez?`
`17:26.09`	`AStorm`	`fresh new Polish keyboard layout: Î©`
`17:26.09`	`lopz`	`module for bluetooth`
`17:26.24`	`KotCzarny`	`astorm: fail, unless it's utf`
`17:26.30`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: :)`
`17:26.40`	`lcuk`	`astorm, sort out your install problem from earlier?`
`17:26.44`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: it is utf-8`
`17:26.47`	`AStorm`	`no`
`17:27.10`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: do you use aim/yahoo im or something? or ircnet?`
`17:27.26`	`lcuk`	`gmail has chat but never played`
`17:27.33`	`lcuk`	`dunno which it connects to`
`17:28.48`	`KotCzarny`	`btw. xchat/irssi has multiserver capability i think`
`17:29.34`	`AStorm`	`KotCzarny: it was omega letter`
`17:30.03`	`AStorm`	`I've added Greek as an option, nice for entering math, although hard to reach`
`17:30.14`	`AStorm`	`Î - theta`
`17:30.30`	`KotCzarny`	`looks like I^`
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`17:30.31`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`17:30.49`	`AStorm`	`use UTF-8`
`17:31.05`	`KotCzarny`	`one day i will`
`17:31.18`	`KotCzarny`	`right now i prefer ascii/latin2`
`17:31.26`	`hd420`	`ugh`
`17:31.37`	`AStorm`	`zaÅ¼Ã³Åc gÄÅlÄ jaÅºn`
`17:31.40`	`hd420`	`maemo extras connection failed :(`
`17:31.46`	`AStorm`	`ate Ä`
`17:31.49`	`AStorm`	`:P`
`17:31.49`	`KotCzarny`	`za¿ó³æ gê¶l± ja¼ñ`
`17:32.28`	`AStorm`	`Â« KotCzarny Â»`
`17:32.59`	`KotCzarny`	`yawns`
`17:32.59`	`AStorm`	`âquote testâ`
`17:34.36`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: btw. something segfaults, i suspect handling strokes`
`17:34.40`	`AStorm`	`NokiaÂ® Maemoâ¢`
`17:34.47`	`KotCzarny`	`may be my code too though`
`17:34.51`	`AStorm`	`;)`
`17:35.33`	`lcuk`	`ill find out - it was faulting last night - first frustrating night ;) i try not to leave it broken so i can play with it and see what to do next`
`17:35.40`	`hd420`	`grr... this is not good at all`
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`17:38.20`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: the problem is that this segv isn't consistent`
`17:38.39`	`KotCzarny`	`sometimes it takes one tap, sometimes few tens of strokes`
`17:39.06`	`KotCzarny`	`and gdb isn't working because 'pc wasn't saved'`
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`17:39.44`	`lcuk`	`i usually color things in and then wait half an hour when clearing screen because of all the clear code generation. it handles lots of stroke usually`
`17:40.00`	`KotCzarny`	`well`
`17:40.34`	`lcuk`	`ill see`
`17:40.41`	`hd420`	`strange`
`17:41.50`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk: sometimes circles get R=0 as param`
`17:42.16`	`KotCzarny`	`(that's the case when only 4 points show up`
`17:42.28`	`KotCzarny`	`i think`
`17:42.44`	`AStorm`	`1 point, actually`
`17:42.49`	`KotCzarny`	`4`
`17:42.55`	`KotCzarny`	`you don't see the code`
`17:42.56`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`17:42.58`	`AStorm`	`4 points is R=1`
`17:43.09`	`AStorm`	`at least, should be`
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`17:45.58`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm, or it may be negative R`
`17:46.57`	`AStorm`	`R=0.5 is also 4 points`
`17:47.07`	`AStorm`	`w/o a blank in the middle`
`17:47.17`	`KotCzarny`	`more probably R is negative in those cases`
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`17:50.06`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`17:50.24`	`KotCzarny`	`why not?`
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`17:57.11`	`KotCzarny`	`lcuk, btw. you can enable msgs from unregistered users`
`17:57.25`	`KotCzarny`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:57.41`	`AStorm`	`megabyte405: any chancd I could enroll in your abiword tests?`
`17:58.07`	`AStorm`	`(yeah, I know, PM and so...)`
`17:58.59`	`AStorm`	`My handle on ITT forum is AstralStorm.`
`17:59.25`	`megabyte405`	`AStorm: pm`
`17:59.33`	`megabyte405`	`I send out invites in batches`
`17:59.56`	`AStorm`	`mhm, I'll do that then`
`18:00.42`	`AStorm`	`It's probably still thoroughly broken, but anyway.`
`18:01.00`	`AStorm`	`I could take a closer look on the source.`
`18:01.03`	`AStorm`	`:)`
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`18:04.00`	`megabyte405`	`AStorm: its brokenness is documented in the thread`
`18:04.18`	`megabyte405`	`It does work, I just wouldn't recommend it to the church secretary yet`
`18:04.23`	`AStorm`	`I know it is :)`
`18:04.32`	`megabyte405`	`if you've got some coding skills, I'd love to have some help tracking down those bugs`
`18:04.33`	`AStorm`	`As I said, I've read it.`
`18:04.39`	`megabyte405`	`:D`
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`18:04.42`	`AStorm`	`I'll try.`
`18:04.44`	`megabyte405`	`is happy someone does :)`
`18:04.53`	`megabyte405`	`The build instructions are on the abiword-ite subversion`
`18:06.01`	`AStorm`	`Building by me is impossible until I get my build env sorted out.`
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`18:10.04`	`lcuk`	`ok unfiltered is on`
`18:15.50`	`megabyte405`	`AStorm: the instructions are based on using the vmware`
`18:18.09`	`AStorm`	`I know. I have to ge it up and running - it mysteriously didn't work for me`
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`18:36.25`	`megabyte405`	`ah, right, the /etc/resolv.conf is apparently quite buggered in all possible forms`
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`18:46.36`	`harryslamm`	`Has anyone got a celluon bluetooth keyboard to work with the n810?`
`18:54.37`	`megabyte405`	`if it's hid it should just work, if it's serial it needs another pgoram`
`18:55.10`	`AStorm`	`hrw\|gone: sent you a mail with the keymap`
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`19:51.31`	`zerodegre`	`hey guys is there an app i can install on the nb810 to get an onscreen keyboard like the n800 had?`
`19:51.39`	`zerodegre`	`instead of using the keyboard?`
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`19:53.54`	`elb`	`no, bcause it's built in`
`19:54.55`	`zerodegre`	`i know that lol`
`19:55.05`	`zerodegre`	`i have the 810`
`19:55.25`	`zerodegre`	`but i would still like to use the onscreen keytboard if i wanted to`
`19:55.27`	`tank-man`	`take a look here , seems like you can http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_SetupKeyboard/`
`19:59.40`	`zerodegre`	`another question, can anyone record from streamtuner on th 810?`
`20:00.13`	`zerodegre`	`when i press record it says no command is set for "record a stream"`
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`20:25.23`	`flo_lap`	`re`
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`20:28.32`	`sbk`	`evening gentlemen`
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`20:33.26`	`KotCzarny`	`zerodegre: look for xvkbd or xkbd`
`20:36.24`	`sbk`	`does anyone know why when I try to get OS2008`
`20:36.30`	`sbk`	`from`
`20:36.31`	`sbk`	`http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php`
`20:36.37`	`sbk`	`it says: Product ID not valid. Please re-enter the 12-digit code.`
`20:36.47`	`sbk`	`I just bought this thing from newegg lol`
`20:37.01`	`KotCzarny`	`enter with/without ':' ?`
`20:37.12`	`sbk`	`oh I have`
`20:37.30`	`sbk`	`someone in here told me to put in the same code, but randomize a few digits at the end`
`20:37.34`	`sbk`	`but I dont remember which`
`20:37.43`	`KotCzarny`	`last one`
`20:37.47`	`KotCzarny`	`probably`
`20:38.00`	`sbk`	`do you remember that GeneralAntilles`
`20:39.14`	`sbk`	`KotCzarny: do you have a copy of OS2008?`
`20:39.24`	`KotCzarny`	`nope`
`20:39.24`	`sbk`	`I need to format my N810`
`20:39.35`	`KotCzarny`	`mine was already flashed to 2008`
`20:39.55`	`sbk`	`yeah same here, but I need to format it`
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`21:35.16`	`edison`	`just got a new n810, have ssh server and apt-get working - but i can't seem to find gst-launch anywhere? any hints?`
`21:35.38`	`KotCzarny`	`it's probably gst-launch-0.10`
`21:35.40`	`KotCzarny`	`or something`
`21:35.48`	`KotCzarny`	`try typing gst and pressing tab twice`
`21:35.58`	`edison`	`(gstreamertools are not in the repos, and yes i have tried gst-launch and tabbed and find / \|grep gst-launch etc :)`
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`21:36.17`	`KotCzarny`	`maybe extras then`
`21:36.37`	`KotCzarny`	`i believe i have only tsandard repos (extras enabled)`
`21:36.40`	`edison`	`how do i enable that?`
`21:36.45`	`KotCzarny`	`go to app-man`
`21:36.48`	`KotCzarny`	`select repos`
`21:36.48`	`edison`	`i did the .. red button thing`
`21:36.58`	`KotCzarny`	`and edit extras repo properties`
`21:37.08`	`KotCzarny`	`there should be enable/disable checkbox`
`21:38.07`	`edison`	`i assume you mean appman \| tools \| app catalogue`
`21:38.15`	`KotCzarny`	`probably`
`21:38.16`	`edison`	`afaics all the repos there are enabled`
`21:38.20`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`21:38.26`	`KotCzarny`	`then gronmayer.com/it/`
`21:38.29`	`KotCzarny`	`and search`
`21:38.32`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`21:38.45`	`edison`	`specifically the "maemo extras" repo is enabled`
`21:38.59`	`edison`	`oh.. i'd like to do it the right way, though :) as little hacking as possible, i mean`
`21:39.12`	`edison`	`all the gstreamer libs seem to be available, its just the -tools (like launch and inspect) that are missing?`
`21:39.26`	`edison`	`so i'd love to do it .. without editing files :)`
`21:39.39`	`KotCzarny`	`'gst-launch-0.10' yes?`
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`21:40.19`	`edison`	`yes, that's what im looking for :)`
`21:40.20`	`KotCzarny`	`apt-cache policy gstreamer0.10-tools`
`21:40.23`	`KotCzarny`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:40.43`	`KotCzarny`	`so it should be in official repos`
`21:40.45`	`edison`	`hmm`
`21:40.45`	`KotCzarny`	`i think`
`21:41.13`	`edison`	`Nokia-N810-42-19:~# apt-cache search gstreamer\|grep -i tools\|wc -l`
`21:41.13`	`edison`	`0`
`21:41.22`	`SHADOW6`	`What was that chat client similar to pidgin ( for n810)`
`21:41.27`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`21:41.28`	`edison`	`:(`
`21:41.34`	`KotCzarny`	`i see you have old os2008`
`21:41.37`	`KotCzarny`	`probably beta?`
`21:41.42`	`KotCzarny`	`Nokia-N800-51-3 is the latest`
`21:41.45`	`edison`	`oh`
`21:41.57`	`edison`	`point me in some direction, i just got it today, will flash and destroy if needed :)`
`21:42.12`	`KotCzarny`	`edison: maemo.org`
`21:42.18`	`KotCzarny`	`there should be a link for firmware :)`
`21:42.28`	`edison`	`i just assumed since it said "os2008" in the about screen, i was "up to date" basically`
`21:42.40`	`edison`	`i guess that was not a correct assumption then`
`21:43.09`	`edison`	`since on maemo.org everything is divided into os..something, something-else and os2008`
`21:43.29`	`KotCzarny`	`i believe there was some kind of beta`
`21:43.31`	`edison`	`but thanks! ill browse some more then.`
`21:43.33`	`KotCzarny`	`i may be wrong though`
`21:44.48`	`GeneralAntilles`	`edison, upgrade.`
`21:44.50`	`GeneralAntilles`	`That's a very old release.`
`21:45.26`	`edison`	`gen: thanks. any more specific links than just maemo.org? many things there referred to something other than "os2008" etc..`
`21:46.44`	`GeneralAntilles`	`http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php`
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`21:53.27`	`edison`	`http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php <- no dates on the files there, i assume i should use the latest flasher (flasher-3.0.amd64) (i am on linux x86_64)+`
`21:53.30`	`edison`	`?`
`21:54.27`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Yes.`
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`22:02.20`	`pupnik`	`i have this crazy idea for the open file dialog!`
`22:02.32`	`pupnik`	`how about making it show more than three files in a directory at one time!`
`22:02.46`	`pupnik`	`</soapbox>`
`22:02.49`	`GeneralAntilles`	`To bugzilla!`
`22:03.16`	`GeneralAntilles`	`File it as an enhancement request for an option.`
`22:03.20`	`pupnik`	`are such whinings proper in bugzilla?`
`22:03.23`	`pupnik`	`oh ok`
`22:03.26`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hell yes! :D`
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`22:17.07`	`edison`	`Nokia-N810-51-3:~# apt-cache search gst\|grep -i tool\|wc -l`
`22:17.07`	`edison`	`0`
`22:17.17`	`KotCzarny`	`enable extras?`
`22:17.27`	`edison`	`well! thanks for the help :) but still no gst tools, perhaps i should try some of those web .install files then, they seem to enable new repos`
`22:17.34`	`edison`	`kot: extras is not disabled`
`22:17.38`	`edison`	`(by default, i checked)`
`22:17.43`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`22:17.47`	`KotCzarny`	`mine were`
`22:17.53`	`KotCzarny`	`and stock firmware also have it disabled`
`22:17.57`	`edison`	`anyways, real nice to have upgraded :)`
`22:18.13`	`edison`	`i got the "map" application update via apt-get upgrade now, with the old flash it would not install`
`22:18.16`	`edison`	`so something is better, at least!`
`22:18.23`	`KotCzarny`	`heh`
`22:18.28`	`KotCzarny`	`maemo-mapper is nice`
`22:18.29`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:18.30`	`edison`	`(and i did not realise that the shell prompt showed the base flash version :)`
`22:18.42`	`edison`	`again, i got it today, bear with me :)`
`22:18.50`	`KotCzarny`	`yes, it's actually hostname`
`22:18.51`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
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`22:25.36`	`edison`	`exactly where is the "extras" repo that contains gstreamer-*tools?`
`22:25.42`	`edison`	`deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free`
`22:25.57`	`edison`	`that's my "extras"..`
`22:26.33`	`pupnik`	`wow rscasas's google maps page optimized for tablets is sweet! http://gmaps.xzq.net`
`22:27.26`	`KotCzarny`	`edison, it's in main repo`
`22:27.28`	`KotCzarny`	`not extras`
`22:27.29`	`KotCzarny`	`http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/g/gstreamer0.10/`
`22:27.44`	`KotCzarny`	`try running apt-get update ?`
`22:27.59`	`edison`	`i did.. can i show you somehow, help me debug?`
`22:28.08`	`KotCzarny`	`pastebin.com`
`22:28.16`	`edison`	`(i'm not very intimate with apt, i just know how to put things in sources.list etc)`
`22:28.51`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`22:28.59`	`edison`	`Nokia-N810-51-3:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# cat hildon-application-manager.list \|grep -i main\|wc -l`
`22:29.02`	`edison`	`0`
`22:29.05`	`edison`	`could that be a hint?`
`22:29.12`	`edison`	`no "main"..`
`22:29.14`	`KotCzarny`	`erm`
`22:29.25`	`KotCzarny`	`by main i meant that official nokia's one`
`22:29.26`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:29.29`	`edison`	`oh :)`
`22:29.37`	`edison`	`i told you i am unfamiliar :)`
`22:29.44`	`edison`	`anyways, thats the only sources file i have`
`22:29.58`	`edison`	`and i swear, there is no gstreamer tools in there as far as i can see, after update`
`22:30.16`	`KotCzarny`	`what happens after: apt-get install gstreamer0.10-tools`
`22:30.29`	`edison`	`E: Package gstreamer0.10-tools has no installation candidate`
`22:30.52`	`edison`	`(i just flashed to this image: -rw-r--r-- 1 oystein oystein 141228111 2008-04-11 23:52 RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin`
`22:30.57`	`KotCzarny`	`hum`
`22:31.05`	`KotCzarny`	`you may try installing it by hand`
`22:31.16`	`edison`	`sure! but .. how :)`
`22:31.24`	`KotCzarny`	`wget and dpkg -i`
`22:31.24`	`edison`	`you mean outside apt?`
`22:31.25`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:31.33`	`GeneralAntilles`	`dpkg -i on a .deb`
`22:31.38`	`edison`	`oh no :( if everyone else has it by apt i'd not like to fuck with my pristine system :)`
`22:31.46`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:32.02`	`edison`	`rather figure out why i cant find it`
`22:32.11`	`edison`	`i can offer ssh access if that would help..?`
`22:32.28`	`KotCzarny`	`if you trust me enough`
`22:32.28`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Now that's just asking for trouble.`
`22:32.29`	`KotCzarny`	`then ok`
`22:32.30`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`22:32.57`	`edison`	`.. i'll just flash it again after someone finds the problem :)`
`22:33.01`	`KotCzarny`	`k k`
`22:33.03`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:33.35`	`KotCzarny`	`still, some teen from hell can wipe your flash clean`
`22:33.42`	`KotCzarny`	`that it would need cold flash`
`22:33.44`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:33.53`	`edison`	`well i'll trust you, see msg :)`
`22:33.58`	`KotCzarny`	`k`
`22:34.36`	`edison`	`but please tell me everything you do.. so i understand what was wrong`
`22:34.53`	`KotCzarny`	`first i will look at config`
`22:34.59`	`edison`	`all i want is gstreamer-tools, and i had hoped it would be possible via gui`
`22:35.35`	`edison`	`you can see that i flashed it ok, i assume?`
`22:36.18`	`KotCzarny`	`yes`
`22:36.24`	`KotCzarny`	`otherewise it wouldn't boot`
`22:36.25`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`22:39.20`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`22:39.35`	`KotCzarny`	`i wonder how i got it`
`22:39.39`	`edison`	`me too :)`
`22:39.46`	`edison`	`one thing i noticed is that...`
`22:39.55`	`edison`	`i browsed the app database for "os 2008" on maemo.org..`
`22:40.19`	`edison`	`when i had the old flash.. and i installed a lot of apps. i think they were '.install' files, not debs`
`22:40.27`	`edison`	`and they all auto-installed some repo`
`22:40.42`	`edison`	`i think.. it was quite strange and new to me. perhaps those tools are in one of those repos..`
`22:41.27`	`KotCzarny`	`tools are in the main pool`
`22:41.39`	`KotCzarny`	`that isn't in the repos list`
`22:41.45`	`KotCzarny`	`and isn't meant to be added`
`22:41.59`	`KotCzarny`	`because i think it contain snapshot of the os`
`22:42.04`	`KotCzarny`	`(i may be wrong though)`
`22:42.06`	`edison`	`i guarantee you, it is pristine, i did nothing except install openssh server from maemo.org via the browser`
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`22:42.12`	`KotCzarny`	`yes i know`
`22:42.14`	`edison`	`:)`
`22:42.19`	`KotCzarny`	`because your repos list looks similiar to mine`
`22:42.42`	`KotCzarny`	`right now i'm investigating, maybe some other app relied on it and installed quietly`
`22:42.48`	`edison`	`sure, thanks for helping`
`22:43.06`	`KotCzarny`	`i like puzzles`
`22:43.09`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:43.39`	`KotCzarny`	`is there a way to list what packages rely on particular package`
`22:43.40`	`KotCzarny`	`?`
`22:44.35`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`22:44.37`	`KotCzarny`	`apparently nothing`
`22:44.56`	`KotCzarny`	`because it was removed without a problem`
`22:44.58`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:45.36`	`edison`	`are you destroying my device now? :)`
`22:45.55`	`KotCzarny`	`yes, i have added that main repo`
`22:46.10`	`KotCzarny`	`you have said you will reflash it anyway so i will give it a try`
`22:46.11`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:46.12`	`edison`	`feel free to do whatever you want`
`22:46.14`	`edison`	`sure, no probs`
`22:46.27`	`edison`	`dont delete the internal mmc though`
`22:46.39`	`edison`	`i downloaded music videos to it :)`
`22:46.43`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:46.57`	`KotCzarny`	`i'm not touching anything other than dpkg/apt`
`22:47.30`	`edison`	`do whatever you want so that others can get gst-launch easier if you can figure something out :)`
`22:47.31`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`22:47.40`	`KotCzarny`	`yes, after adding that repo it showed up`
`22:47.53`	`KotCzarny`	`The following extra packages will be installed:`
`22:47.53`	`KotCzarny`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:47.57`	`KotCzarny`	`yes?`
`22:48.10`	`edison`	`so why wasn't it there by default and how to do it via gui?`
`22:48.24`	`KotCzarny`	`probably it will show in the gui`
`22:48.40`	`KotCzarny`	`because i have added it to the sources`
`22:48.46`	`edison`	`sure, .. but thats a given :)`
`22:48.58`	`edison`	`btw its not on root's path.. afaics`
`22:48.59`	`KotCzarny`	`as for adding, you can just copy extras entry`
`22:49.08`	`KotCzarny`	`without extras/ dir part though`
`22:49.17`	`edison`	`lets say i reflash it in a minute`
`22:49.20`	`KotCzarny`	`i haven't installed it yet`
`22:49.27`	`edison`	`ok`
`22:49.44`	`edison`	`but my point is, why is it so hard.. what should i have done to figure it out for myself :)`
`22:49.46`	`KotCzarny`	`now`
`22:49.55`	`edison`	`yeeeeeeeah!`
`22:49.56`	`edison`	`:)`
`22:50.09`	`KotCzarny`	`maybe they assumed noone will be using cmd line`
`22:50.11`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:50.21`	`KotCzarny`	`and if someone knows how to use the cmd line`
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`22:50.29`	`KotCzarny`	`he will know how to install it himself`
`22:50.30`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:50.45`	`edison`	`so which one was it?`
`22:50.54`	`KotCzarny`	`as i said, clone extras entry`
`22:51.02`	`KotCzarny`	`but without extras/ in the path`
`22:51.16`	`KotCzarny`	`deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free`
`22:51.16`	`KotCzarny`	`deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free`
`22:51.19`	`edison`	`deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free`
`22:51.19`	`edison`	`deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free`
`22:51.21`	`KotCzarny`	`that's from sources list`
`22:51.22`	`edison`	`whoops`
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`22:51.27`	`edison`	`yes, so which one did you add?`
`22:51.33`	`KotCzarny`	`first one`
`22:51.38`	`edison`	`ok :)`
`22:51.40`	`KotCzarny`	`second is for comparison`
`22:51.51`	`KotCzarny`	`also, i would advice you to disable it afterwards`
`22:51.53`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
`22:51.58`	`edison`	`why? is it unstable?`
`22:52.07`	`KotCzarny`	`hmm`
`22:52.16`	`KotCzarny`	`logic: if it wasn't there in the first place..`
`22:52.17`	`KotCzarny`	`;)`
`22:52.26`	`KotCzarny`	`who know what can happen?`
`22:53.06`	`KotCzarny`	`anything else?`
`22:53.18`	`edison`	`heh, i just assumed that the native software was .. well .. its difficult when you consider that nokia is probably kind of evil, but maemo.org and the community is probably less evil, and wants things to work...`
`22:53.40`	`KotCzarny`	`yet, it could change soon`
`22:53.50`	`KotCzarny`	`as another release is around the corner :)`
`22:53.53`	`edison`	`anyways, super :) thanks everyone, especially kotczarny and generalantilles for your superb help :)`
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`23:03.09`	`fysa`	`canola youtube plugin is very slick.`
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`23:29.58`	`pupnik`	`blargh copying from mmc1 to mmc2 gives about 2MB/s`
`23:30.05`	`pupnik`	`not quite blazing fast`
`23:30.20`	`KotCzarny`	`better than usb1`
`23:30.21`	`KotCzarny`	`:)`
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`23:33.22`	`t_s_o`	`hmm, anyone else experience that deleted mails in modest reappear when a connection isnt up?`
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`23:41.43`	`t_s_o`	`this is downright funny. i delete the mails from modest, close it down, start it back up and the mails are right there in the in folder. it even seems to ignore my "headers only" setting, downloading whole mails...`
`23:46.40`	`wnd`	`t_s_o, does yours also fetch all messages, ignoring set limit?`
`23:47.21`	`t_s_o`	`not checked as i base it on downloading headers only and then downloading content if its a mail i want to read...`
`23:48.03`	`t_s_o`	`that is, im using a pop server with the setting to keep the mail on the server`
`23:48.29`	`t_s_o`	`and yes, i do know that modest do not delet mail on the server. but this is happening even when im offline the whole time...`
`23:48.57`	`wnd`	`uh, can pop3 be used to get headers only?`
`23:49.17`	`wnd`	`I mean I don't really know`
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`23:49.48`	`wnd`	`but I do know that when I tried modest with gmail, it always fetched all messages, including bodies, when I used pop3 instead of imap`
`23:50.11`	`wnd`	`however both ignored the limit and fetched all headers/messages`
`23:50.44`	`t_s_o`	`pop3 can be used that way, i do it with a phone of mine all the time`
`23:51.16`	`wnd`	`oh ok`
`23:51.31`	`wnd`	`well, if you can, try using imap instead`
`23:52.17`	`t_s_o`	`not a option`
`23:52.46`	`t_s_o`	`sadly this is a isp account that supply pop access only...`
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`23:58.41`	`wnd`	`it appears that the "fetches everything regardless what I choose" -thing is a known issue`
`23:58.59`	`t_s_o`	`hmm, ok...`
`23:59.20`	`t_s_o`	`maybe i was a bit quick then. still, i did search so...`
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