| 00:00.32 | WormFood | there is something weird going on with the dhcp client |
| 00:00.48 | WormFood | it appears that the router is not sending back any response at all |
| 00:01.03 | WormFood | at least, in my situation |
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| 00:02.49 | johnx | AStorm, look at icd and wlancond |
| 00:03.32 | johnx | or make a wrapper script called udhcpc that just calls dhclient :P |
| 00:03.34 | AStorm | these are executables :P |
| 00:03.38 | AStorm | yeah |
| 00:03.48 | AStorm | i need dhclient script too |
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| 00:04.07 | AStorm | KotCzarny: make a full dhcp package, would you? |
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| 00:04.37 | KotCzarny | i don't know how |
| 00:04.38 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:04.54 | KotCzarny | probably i could simply take debian source package |
| 00:05.05 | KotCzarny | and try compiling it |
| 00:05.45 | KotCzarny | let's see |
| 00:06.14 | AStorm | hmm, it can't find interfaces :P |
| 00:06.28 | AStorm | no ip_inet proc file |
| 00:07.15 | KotCzarny | astorm: feeling adventurous? |
| 00:07.17 | KotCzarny | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dhcp/dhcp_2.0pl5-19.5etch2_arm.deb |
| 00:07.18 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 00:07.24 | AStorm | why not |
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| 00:08.54 | AStorm | incompatible |
| 00:08.59 | KotCzarny | uhum |
| 00:09.02 | johnx | heh |
| 00:09.05 | AStorm | would have to hack it |
| 00:09.14 | johnx | yeah, somehow I don't think application manager will install it :P |
| 00:09.20 | johnx | just dpkg -i |
| 00:09.26 | AStorm | need armel not arm too |
| 00:09.39 | KotCzarny | btw. how do you make a deb from sources? |
| 00:09.57 | johnx | with mud-builder in scratchbox |
| 00:09.58 | AStorm | with debsomething |
| 00:10.04 | AStorm | that too |
| 00:10.04 | johnx | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 00:10.08 | AStorm | mhm |
| 00:10.12 | johnx | or ./debian/rules |
| 00:10.12 | KotCzarny | should i unpack it first? |
| 00:10.42 | johnx | just grab the dsc, diff.gz and orig.tar.gz into one dir and run dpkg-source -X foo.dsc |
| 00:11.08 | johnx | it will "do the right thing" then you can dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 00:11.25 | KotCzarny | barfed out |
| 00:11.34 | KotCzarny | dpkg-source: unknown option `-X' |
| 00:11.36 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 00:11.41 | johnx | maybe small x ? :P |
| 00:11.52 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 00:12.36 | KotCzarny | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: groff |
| 00:12.38 | KotCzarny | doh. |
| 00:13.11 | AStorm | remove man pages then? |
| 00:13.20 | KotCzarny | i'll just install groff |
| 00:13.23 | AStorm | there's an option for that? |
| 00:14.51 | johnx | gah...trying to do a build in mud-builder but it's failing on other deps |
| 00:16.32 | KotCzarny | doh. barfed on token ring source. |
| 00:16.34 | KotCzarny | grrr. |
| 00:16.58 | KotCzarny | let's try another version |
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| 00:24.05 | KotCzarny | astorm: mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/pump_0.8.24-2.1_armel.deb |
| 00:24.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:24.31 | AStorm | pump is probably fail too :P |
| 00:24.42 | AStorm | but it's always good to check |
| 00:24.46 | KotCzarny | in sid there are no dhcp-client |
| 00:25.06 | KotCzarny | http://packages.debian.org/sid/dhcp-client |
| 00:25.23 | AStorm | gimme a real http link |
| 00:25.28 | KotCzarny | doh |
| 00:25.40 | KotCzarny | can't you just add http? |
| 00:25.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:25.56 | AStorm | copy and paste is awkward |
| 00:26.06 | KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/pump_0.8.24-2.1_armel.deb |
| 00:26.07 | KotCzarny | doh |
| 00:26.19 | KotCzarny | (and the bots suck my poor thttpd |
| 00:26.30 | johnx | sid armel dhcp3-client exists... |
| 00:26.48 | KotCzarny | johnx: weird they have both |
| 00:27.57 | KotCzarny | astorm: i can try sid's udhcpc |
| 00:28.06 | AStorm | heh |
| 00:28.13 | KotCzarny | i mean compiling a package |
| 00:28.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:28.25 | AStorm | I've to make pump write to another resolv.conf |
| 00:28.36 | KotCzarny | there's a chance they have fixed some bugs |
| 00:30.17 | johnx | KotCzarny, it's exactly the same version as etch/stable... |
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| 00:30.38 | KotCzarny | http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/udhcpc_0.9.8cvs20050303-2_armel.deb |
| 00:30.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 00:44.19 | johnx | KotCzarny, apt-cache policy udhcpc | grep Installed = Installed: 0.9.8cvs20050303-2osso4 |
| 00:44.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:44.50 | KotCzarny | then if debian has the same udhcpc.. |
| 00:45.03 | KotCzarny | we can't blame nokia n8x0 |
| 00:45.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 00:45.10 | fysa | wow. reader.google.com detects when I toggle fullscreen and responds to it. |
| 00:52.44 | yllus | Hey guys, what find stores the list of repositories on your tablet? |
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| 00:53.11 | johnx | cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 00:54.31 | fysa | it automagically collapses the feed list when I fullscreen. |
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| 01:05.58 | johnx | WormFood, is there any chance you could put the *exact* output you get from udhcpc on pastebin or something? |
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| 01:09.58 | yllus | It'd be a pretty bad idea to do a "apt-get update libc6", right? |
| 01:10.33 | KotCzarny | if you have rogue repos.. |
| 01:10.34 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:10.58 | johnx | yllus, apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 01:11.12 | johnx | what repo will the "candidate" come from? |
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| 01:11.30 | yllus | http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages |
| 01:11.41 | johnx | are you still on OS2007? |
| 01:11.48 | yllus | No, OS2006 |
| 01:11.50 | yllus | cringes |
| 01:11.57 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:11.58 | johnx | yes...probably a very bad idea |
| 01:12.05 | yllus | haha, worth a try |
| 01:12.13 | yllus | Hard to find applications that work with my old 770 lately |
| 01:12.28 | johnx | I can almost guarantee it will make your 770 unbootable if you install it |
| 01:12.32 | KotCzarny | install os2007he |
| 01:12.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:12.49 | johnx | yllus, try 2007HE or 2008HE (if you're feeling a little adventurous) |
| 01:13.04 | johnx | or debian if you're feeling really adventurous :D |
| 01:13.09 | yllus | haha |
| 01:13.19 | yllus | Ah, I'm just too comfortable with my install of 2006 to do it - figured I'd ask though |
| 01:13.44 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 01:13.55 | KotCzarny | you're not comfortable if you ask about updating |
| 01:13.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 01:14.02 | johnx | well, if you're comfortable with your OS2006 install then definitely stay away from packages for other OS versions, as that's a good way to end up in a reboot loop right quick |
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| 01:14.30 | yllus | I'm going to see about buying someone's used N800 |
| 01:14.45 | yllus | Gave him a nice lowball offer, hopefully he realized the resell market is rough and he should go with my offer... |
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| 01:17.18 | johnx | I'm kind of surprised to see how much people want for the N800 on ebay O_o |
| 01:19.09 | yllus | He said $235 OBO; I offered $150 |
| 01:19.10 | yllus | haha |
| 01:19.31 | WormFood | I paid $230 for mine brand new |
| 01:19.32 | johnx | yeah, for $235 you could buy one brand new |
| 01:19.35 | GeneralAntilles | They didn't get the memo about the msrp drops. :P |
| 01:19.46 | WormFood | johnx, I'm not sure about getting a paste of the output |
| 01:19.49 | GeneralAntilles | (memo looks like it's spelled wrong O_o) |
| 01:19.54 | yllus | This is in Canada, but regardless I agree |
| 01:20.03 | johnx | hey, WormFood could you post the output from udhcpc to pastebin for me? |
| 01:20.11 | WormFood | yes, I think I can do that....just redirect it to a file, then copy the file off the N800 |
| 01:20.20 | johnx | WormFood, ah, sorry, didn't see you reply O_o |
| 01:20.41 | WormFood | but not right this instant, I need to get ready to go |
| 01:20.50 | WormFood | it is already 9:20 am here |
| 01:21.00 | yllus | Has anyone messed with iodine, the DNS tunneling software? |
| 01:21.00 | WormFood | let me see what I can do real quick |
| 01:21.05 | WormFood | what command line do you want? |
| 01:21.17 | johnx | whatever you ran for udhcpc that failed |
| 01:21.31 | johnx | probably udhcpc -i wlan0 as root would be close enough |
| 01:21.34 | WormFood | yllus, I wonder if it would work with chinese dns, since they actually proxy their dns, to stop their citizens from going to certain sites |
| 01:21.50 | yllus | That would be amusing |
| 01:22.17 | WormFood | johnx, you want me to setup a static ip, then run udhcpc? |
| 01:22.32 | WormFood | it is weird how the wireless works on the n800 |
| 01:22.40 | johnx | yeah, if possible |
| 01:23.01 | johnx | if you don't have time right now, don't worry about it |
| 01:23.05 | WormFood | ok, give me a few minutes....I may not be able to complete it this morning, but I will try |
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| 01:37.06 | freelikegnu | latest mplayer build is rocking |
| 01:37.29 | KotCzarny | which one? |
| 01:37.31 | johnx | which version? |
| 01:37.32 | freelikegnu | even a2dp audio is sync well |
| 01:37.38 | johnx | !? |
| 01:38.11 | johnx | might have to reinstall his own a2dp hack and try it out |
| 01:39.14 | freelikegnu | 1.0rc1-maemo.26.n8x0 |
| 01:39.44 | freelikegnu | audio doesnt start for a few seconds but after about 30 sec, all is synced |
| 01:40.01 | freelikegnu | seems like there is some adjustment period |
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| 01:41.14 | freelikegnu | videos are xvid 352xwhatever and 128K mp3 audio |
| 01:43.20 | freelikegnu | headphones are motorola s9 |
| 01:44.32 | WormFood | johnx, I have 2 files for you at http://wormfood.net/pastebin/ |
| 01:44.34 | freelikegnu | mmm porkroast for dinner, dang I feel spoiled |
| 01:44.42 | johnx | WormFood, thanks! |
| 01:44.46 | WormFood | one is a copy/paste of the screen output, and one is a redirect |
| 01:45.15 | WormFood | I did the copy/paste because it sends one message to error output, instead of standard output, and that wasn't captured in the redirect |
| 01:45.41 | WormFood | and I didn't feel like looking up how to redirect stdout and errout at the same time (and I don't remember off the top of my head) |
| 01:46.22 | johnx | foo 1> stdout.txt 2> stderr.txt for future reference :) |
| 01:46.27 | WormFood | that is one aspect of OS-9 that was very easy...">" is standard output, and ">>" is error output....but unfortunately this isn't OS-9 |
| 01:46.43 | WormFood | yeah...well, I didn't feel like doing it :P |
| 01:47.25 | johnx | no problem. :) I'm glad to have the exact output though. This should make searching for a patch easier. *Someone* has to have run into this and fixed it:) |
| 01:47.46 | WormFood | plenty of people have run into it, but it appears that nobody patched it |
| 01:47.53 | WormFood | shit! I forgot to upload my packet dump too |
| 01:48.49 | WormFood | ok, packet dump at the same address...you can load it into wireshark/ethereal or whatever you want |
| 01:49.09 | WormFood | it has more packets because I was picking up 2 WAPs, however, the only real traffic is on the n800 |
| 01:51.28 | WormFood | and another thing, I had to ctrl-C the dhcp client because it seemed to go on forever |
| 01:51.36 | WormFood | if you want, I can let it run longer |
| 01:53.21 | johnx | nah, that's all I need (can use) for now |
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| 01:55.21 | WormFood | good luck with it |
| 01:55.27 | WormFood | I wished I had more time to play around with it |
| 01:55.41 | WormFood | if you get it to work, there will be a lot of thankful people |
| 01:59.15 | pupnik | All I need is a little time, To get behind this sun and cast my weight, All I need is a peace of this mind, Then I can celebrate... |
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| 02:06.52 | WormFood | ok, I'm going offline now, so I can leave this town, and go "home"....I'll check back later and see what is new....you all have a good day/night |
| 02:07.44 | kpel | goodnight all |
| 02:10.47 | skibur | any linux app that can read chm files? |
| 02:11.26 | asha | kchmviewer gnochm xchm |
| 02:12.13 | GeneralAntilles | fbreader, skibur. |
| 02:12.15 | lcdd | argh! i HATE it when some gtk app grabs focus and hangs X |
| 02:12.21 | skibur | ok |
| 02:12.22 | skibur | thanks |
| 02:12.27 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:12.30 | KotCzarny | kill it |
| 02:12.40 | lcdd | i did. but it's a pain |
| 02:12.44 | KotCzarny | i used n800 to kill hanging xpdf |
| 02:12.45 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 02:12.52 | KotCzarny | i love my n800! |
| 02:13.16 | lcdd | yes, this is what mobile devices are for |
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| 02:13.50 | KotCzarny | earlier i had to start my pc box for that |
| 02:13.53 | KotCzarny | shrugs |
| 02:19.55 | RayTracer` | any ideas why a windows share wouldn't work from an xp machine to a n810 |
| 02:20.01 | RayTracer` | firewall isn't the issue |
| 02:20.10 | RayTracer` | windows share from my mac works ok |
| 02:20.28 | KotCzarny | bad user/pass ? |
| 02:20.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 02:20.50 | RayTracer` | it's guest access |
| 02:20.57 | RayTracer` | my gf's xp machine shows up too |
| 02:20.59 | RayTracer` | just mine doesn't |
| 02:21.06 | KotCzarny | how do you try to connect ? |
| 02:21.10 | RayTracer` | file manager |
| 02:21.50 | RayTracer` | what workgroup does it look for |
| 02:22.05 | KotCzarny | good question |
| 02:25.19 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 02:25.31 | KotCzarny | my file manager doesn't have samba options |
| 02:25.33 | KotCzarny | weird |
| 02:25.56 | RayTracer` | yeah it's a black box samba implementation as far as I can tell |
| 02:26.02 | RayTracer` | some shares work some just will never come up :( |
| 02:29.06 | RayTracer` | thankfully I use linux most of the time.. but almost all of my media content is in windows |
| 02:29.19 | RayTracer` | and with my new 8gb minisd card it writes a ton faster |
| 02:30.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 02:49.48 | lopz | night |
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| 03:23.26 | koyote | well |
| 03:23.32 | koyote | the fm radio app is pointless |
| 03:25.14 | GeneralAntilles | Why? |
| 03:25.52 | KotCzarny | you have to connect headphone |
| 03:25.53 | KotCzarny | s |
| 03:26.01 | KotCzarny | or any other cable to act as antenna |
| 03:26.02 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 03:26.07 | koyote | ahso. |
| 03:26.12 | koyote | that might help then |
| 03:26.25 | KotCzarny | i don't know why they don't simply put a little wire inside |
| 03:26.37 | koyote | i can think of lots of reasons, actually |
| 03:26.50 | koyote | all having to do with resonance in the 100mhz range :) |
| 03:27.10 | koyote | now, happen to know the *real* range of the radio itself? |
| 03:27.17 | KotCzarny | which radio? |
| 03:27.28 | KotCzarny | wifi or fm? |
| 03:27.32 | koyote | fm |
| 03:27.38 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 03:27.44 | KotCzarny | it depends on signal i guess |
| 03:28.02 | KotCzarny | but i guess mhz-wise it's regular fm radio |
| 03:28.03 | koyote | if it hits 140mhz, well a: I'll be shocked, but b: It'll be bonus points at the next ham meeting |
| 03:28.05 | KotCzarny | 88-108 |
| 03:28.08 | koyote | I mean frequency range |
| 03:28.15 | KotCzarny | fcc and stuff |
| 03:28.31 | koyote | not necessarily. it's legal to receive outside 88-108 |
| 03:28.48 | koyote | that's what scanners and shortwave radios do, afterall. |
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| 04:33.06 | Italodance | hi |
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| 04:57.01 | ds3 | that suggests and interesting idea |
| 04:57.20 | ds3 | wonder if it can be coaxed up to about 150MHz |
| 04:58.29 | KotCzarny | how about approximating sine wave at 150mhz using wifi packets at 2.4xx ghz? |
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| 05:12.36 | ds3 | good luck getting the details on how to do that :) |
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| 05:12.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:13.00 | ds3 | but 150MHz would let it work as a 2M Ham radio monitor or even cover some weather stations |
| 05:13.25 | ds3 | the Ham radio mode might be tricky as ham uses NFM instead of the WFM that thing is setup for |
| 05:13.32 | KotCzarny | usb/sd plug? |
| 05:15.42 | ds3 | eh? |
| 05:16.08 | KotCzarny | aren't there any dongles? |
| 05:17.30 | ryoohki_ | how do i use the n800 to make video recordings? |
| 05:17.46 | KotCzarny | ryoohki_: download some software probably |
| 05:18.05 | ryoohki_ | KotCzarny: thanks, i nkow that though |
| 05:18.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:18.51 | KotCzarny | you can even use mencoder |
| 05:19.17 | KotCzarny | or any app that does v4l2 |
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| 05:28.41 | KotCzarny | http://tabletblog.com/2007/08/another-look-at-n800.html#c288057455183745307 |
| 05:28.41 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 05:30.01 | ds3 | probally are |
| 05:30.07 | ds3 | but why if the internal hw works |
| 05:30.30 | KotCzarny | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2249 |
| 05:30.36 | KotCzarny | goes down to 76mhz |
| 05:30.42 | ds3 | and how high? |
| 05:30.48 | KotCzarny | TEA5761UK |
| 05:30.55 | KotCzarny | know anything about this chip? |
| 05:30.56 | ds3 | not much good stuff below FM |
| 05:31.03 | ds3 | TEA? Philips I take it? |
| 05:31.24 | ds3 | yep. NXP |
| 05:35.26 | ds3 | bah no hope that chip appears to have integrated filters at 108 |
| 05:36.32 | KotCzarny | a version of the fmradio code has: |
| 05:36.32 | KotCzarny | #define FM_FREQ_MAX 108.0 |
| 05:36.32 | KotCzarny | #define FM_FREQ_MIN 87.5 |
| 05:36.34 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 05:36.37 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 05:36.44 | KotCzarny | but that's kernel wise |
| 05:37.00 | KotCzarny | one should compile own kernel and radio app too |
| 05:37.05 | KotCzarny | to see if it actually works |
| 05:37.33 | ds3 | i checked the NXP datasheet |
| 05:37.36 | KotCzarny | there's also TEA5761_TNCTRL_HLSI which to me seems to be similarly interesting, |
| 05:37.36 | KotCzarny | but again, it too appears immutable. |
| 05:37.44 | ds3 | it isn't a software thing :( |
| 05:37.51 | KotCzarny | life |
| 05:37.53 | ds3 | unlike the really really cheap chips |
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| 05:38.34 | koyote | huh |
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| 05:39.40 | koyote | 76mhz? |
| 05:39.44 | koyote | let me check band plan |
| 05:39.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:40.01 | KotCzarny | 140 and up |
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| 05:42.55 | koyote | well, ham is, yes |
| 05:44.21 | koyote | mil stuff uses 30-76 for short range comms |
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| 05:47.21 | koyote | 76-88 i think is television |
| 05:47.32 | koyote | well, 54-88 |
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| 05:48.00 | koyote | air traffic control in 108-136 |
| 05:48.30 | koyote | there's also military fm from 30-87 depending |
| 05:48.34 | koyote | so there. |
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| 05:49.21 | KotCzarny | btw. does n810 have fm radio ? |
| 05:50.08 | kuriiri | nope |
| 05:50.13 | KotCzarny | hah. |
| 05:50.48 | koyote | loads metallica on phone for housemate's daughter |
| 05:51.12 | KotCzarny | nice girl, nice.. now put that knife away |
| 05:51.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:53.26 | koyote | she |
| 05:53.31 | koyote | she's only 15. |
| 05:53.41 | KotCzarny | already 15. |
| 05:53.44 | koyote | though i did make her a belt knife for winter solstice |
| 05:53.46 | KotCzarny | grins |
| 05:54.31 | koyote | her mother keeps slacking on the sheath |
| 05:55.18 | koyote | how do i install libXaw? it's not in any feeds i can find |
| 05:55.40 | KotCzarny | i have just copied it from scratchbox |
| 05:55.42 | KotCzarny | i beliece |
| 05:55.44 | KotCzarny | believe |
| 05:55.50 | koyote | ? |
| 05:56.02 | KotCzarny | otoh i could have compiled it myself |
| 05:56.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:56.19 | koyote | really could use a deb for that :) |
| 05:56.30 | KotCzarny | i can give you a binary :) |
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| 05:57.05 | KotCzarny | ah, sorry, it was libXpm |
| 05:57.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 05:57.40 | KotCzarny | libXaw should be installed |
| 05:58.48 | KotCzarny | if not: apt-get install libxaw7 |
| 05:58.50 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:00.23 | koyote | ah, good then |
| 06:00.35 | koyote | i was trying apt-get install libXaw, duh |
| 06:00.40 | Italodance | inally done |
| 06:00.44 | KotCzarny | apt-cache search xaw |
| 06:00.51 | Italodance | i installed ukmp manually :D |
| 06:00.54 | KotCzarny | should show you what's in the menu |
| 06:01.06 | KotCzarny | learned it few days ago |
| 06:01.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:01.17 | KotCzarny | probably yesterday |
| 06:01.18 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:02.26 | KotCzarny | Q: Is the Nokia N800 a PDA, a smart phone, a UMPC, or a media player? A: I don't care. |
| 06:02.28 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 06:03.12 | koyote | it's a Real Computer |
| 06:03.26 | KotCzarny | personal computer |
| 06:03.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:03.37 | KotCzarny | real computer suck power in megawatts |
| 06:03.38 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 06:03.44 | KotCzarny | *computers |
| 06:06.30 | koyote | not anymore |
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| 06:07.11 | koyote | i mean, seriously. the frist cluster we built in VA when i worked for uunet was 12 javastations and drew only a couple amps. |
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| 06:08.14 | KotCzarny | 'only' |
| 06:08.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:08.46 | koyote | well, yeah. but we never could get a stable enough solaris going on the palms |
| 06:09.01 | koyote | no mmu. bad behavior |
| 06:09.05 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 06:11.48 | koyote | "real hackers don't read docs"? |
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| 06:17.10 | koyote | okay, modified the docsucker, now let's see about the emacs install |
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| 06:26.47 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 06:29.33 | cLin | anyone use the poi on maemo mapper? |
| 06:29.50 | KotCzarny | used it once |
| 06:30.25 | cLin | i cant seem to add or import pois |
| 06:30.26 | cLin | =\ |
| 06:30.54 | KotCzarny | right tap on the map and click on 'download' |
| 06:31.30 | cLin | cant download either |
| 06:31.43 | cLin | keeps saying no pois found, cant add pois |
| 06:32.25 | KotCzarny | try new york city area |
| 06:32.59 | cLin | huh? |
| 06:33.05 | cLin | los angeles area doesn't work? |
| 06:33.17 | cLin | or even importing |
| 06:33.28 | KotCzarny | i don't know, i just suggest a test |
| 06:33.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:33.37 | cLin | i tried importing this gpx file i found online and it doesn't work. converted it to garmin gpx file and it doesn't find anypois |
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| 06:35.34 | cLin | hrm |
| 06:38.47 | koyote | uh oh |
| 06:38.50 | koyote | bad juju |
| 06:39.03 | koyote | cannot find info directory node! |
| 06:39.59 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 06:40.15 | KotCzarny | what was the firefox build for maemo? |
| 06:40.29 | KotCzarny | that was faster than microb? |
| 06:40.42 | koyote | of course, no one here uses emacs |
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| 06:50.50 | Lynoure | RMS's Emacs should be more like Eclipse was funny... |
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| 06:55.51 | tank-man | I am looking in /usr/share/doc and i see a readme left by |
| 06:55.54 | tank-man | docpurge |
| 06:56.07 | tank-man | can i get back all the docs removed? |
| 06:56.16 | tank-man | with some apt command? |
| 06:56.22 | KotCzarny | probably not |
| 06:56.32 | KotCzarny | because all of them run docpurge while installing? |
| 06:56.40 | KotCzarny | or more |
| 06:56.52 | KotCzarny | they run that command before packaging a .deb? |
| 06:56.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:57.38 | tank-man | some blog says it gets run by the package manager |
| 06:57.46 | KotCzarny | maybe both |
| 06:57.47 | koyote | yep |
| 06:57.52 | koyote | i edited the file |
| 06:58.13 | koyote | and anything that has the docco included is now fine. |
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| 06:58.28 | koyote | (well, after reinstalling) |
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| 07:19.50 | KotCzarny | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1IYuz6ROlk |
| 07:19.58 | KotCzarny | neeeed.. |
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| 07:22.13 | koyote | and.... |
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| 07:23.17 | koyote | i want my phone to do that |
| 07:27.26 | KotCzarny | http://www.hersenscheet.com/loi/ringtone3.mid |
| 07:27.26 | KotCzarny | hah |
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| 07:29.21 | koyote | and here we go? |
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| 07:29.33 | KotCzarny | round and around |
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| 07:29.43 | KotCzarny | with a leek |
| 07:30.19 | koyote` | yah |
| 07:30.22 | koyote` | n800 erc |
| 07:32.17 | koyote | nice |
| 07:32.20 | koyote | i am happy |
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| 07:39.03 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:39.30 | koyote` | oi |
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| 07:55.30 | koyote` | yeeee |
| 07:55.35 | koyote` | http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/MaemoEmacs |
| 07:58.38 | script | omg ;) |
| 07:59.06 | script | does it need external sotrage on mmc ;) ? |
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| 08:02.07 | koyote` | no, not technically. |
| 08:02.32 | koyote` | i use external storage because i wanted emacs and binutils and bash and coreutils and wesnoth...... |
| 08:02.48 | koyote` | i suppose a compiler would be handy at this rate |
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| 08:18.46 | mrklaw | anyone know where I can get xchat for os2008? |
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| 08:19.06 | koyote | dunno if you can |
| 08:19.12 | koyote | lots of people using pidgin |
| 08:19.21 | koyote | i have erc (emacs) |
| 08:19.44 | mrklaw | I've seen xchat for os2007 but now that I wan't it, I can't find it for os2008 |
| 08:20.19 | koyote | not something i use, i'm an emacs junkie |
| 08:20.36 | mrklaw | ah, I just needed to search for chinook instead of maemo. http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ |
| 08:21.17 | koyote | my wife will like that if i get her an 800 |
| 08:22.14 | koyote | okay, the homeless guy in the parking lot behind my house can stop coughing up a lung now |
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| 08:26.07 | GeneralAntilles | You should ask him if he minds dying a little more quietly. |
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| 08:26.31 | koyote | well, i'm debating calling the police. he sounds pretty bad. |
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| 08:27.02 | koyote | but i REALLY hate police involvement. i do NOT want to talk to them. |
| 08:27.29 | KotCzarny | call the kkk knights then |
| 08:27.49 | mrklaw_ | I'm on my n800 with xchat now |
| 08:28.29 | Jaffa | koyote: send them an email (or call 0118 999 811 95423 759.... 3) |
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| 08:31.11 | KotCzarny | or drink some drencrom and get ready for some ultraviolence |
| 08:31.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 08:32.26 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.51 | aquatix | morning all |
| 08:35.59 | Cptn-N800 | Google documents is a slow POS |
| 08:36.25 | aquatix | google reader also</random> |
| 08:37.28 | Cptn-N800 | How stable/useful is gnumeric these days? |
| 08:37.38 | Cptn-N800 | For spreadsheets |
| 08:38.22 | KotCzarny | spread your sheets wide! |
| 08:38.33 | aquatix | gnumeric is really nice imho |
| 08:38.48 | aquatix | prefers gnumeric over OOo Calc even |
| 08:38.49 | jott | it has some usability issues but works fine |
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| 08:39.50 | jott | most prevailing one that it won't write to a cell when you type - atleast on the version i have |
| 08:40.47 | mrklaw_ | google reader is fast for me now |
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| 08:41.38 | Cptn-N800 | Umm |
| 08:41.52 | Cptn-N800 | Any specific reason gnumeric ignores igo kb input? |
| 08:42.09 | jott | ^^ |
| 08:42.19 | jott | you have to select the = [ .... ] field on top |
| 08:42.20 | jott | to write |
| 08:42.28 | KotCzarny | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000II6YEA?ie=UTF8&tag=showitem06-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B000II6YEA |
| 08:42.31 | KotCzarny | doh. how much? |
| 08:42.49 | mrklaw_ | i use the iphone useragent to get the googl reader for mobiles |
| 08:42.51 | Cptn-N800 | Thx...lol thats rather annoying |
| 08:42.59 | KotCzarny | otoh ir sensor could be nice for turning off tvs on the go |
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| 08:43.00 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:44.39 | mrklaw_ | ouch, over $300 for a remote? |
| 08:44.59 | jott | hehe get a n810 instead and us that as a remote ;) |
| 08:45.45 | KotCzarny | 500 on original price tag |
| 08:50.23 | aquatix | mrklaw_: you can also go to google.com/reader/m ;) |
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| 08:51.59 | KotCzarny | nice ramble: http://ets.tlt.psu.edu/iphone/node/202 |
| 08:52.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:53.18 | jott | hm http://www.novii.tv/palm/blaster/ :) |
| 08:53.49 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 08:53.50 | KotCzarny | nice |
| 08:53.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:55.09 | KotCzarny | and thanks to xrandr sd port can be in the right place |
| 08:55.10 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:55.17 | jott | ;) |
| 08:55.43 | KotCzarny | now.. where's the price tag.. |
| 08:56.37 | Cptn-N800 | Gnumeric is indeed nice...excel compatability needed |
| 08:56.52 | KotCzarny | 18$ hum |
| 08:56.54 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:57.06 | jott | might be worth a try :) |
| 08:57.07 | KotCzarny | 28 with s&h |
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| 08:57.35 | KotCzarny | i wonder if it's supported by kernel |
| 08:57.54 | jott | depends as what it registeres is suppose |
| 08:57.59 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 08:58.06 | KotCzarny | if it's serial port.. |
| 08:58.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:59.29 | jott | other than that you could use your computer or a openwrt box with a lirc deivce attached :) |
| 09:00.02 | jott | that's like 1-2$ for the parts ;) |
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| 09:01.49 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 09:01.56 | KotCzarny | i wonder |
| 09:02.06 | KotCzarny | there's only 'mmc block device' in the kernel |
| 09:02.33 | jott | but it's an sdio slot isn't it?! |
| 09:02.46 | KotCzarny | but you still need a driver, right? |
| 09:02.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:02.50 | jott | probably |
| 09:03.01 | jott | well for the lirc thingy you won't need a driver ;) |
| 09:03.30 | jott | maybe some nice gui ;) |
| 09:03.47 | KotCzarny | yeah, there was a soundcardir :> |
| 09:04.20 | KotCzarny | someone should start selling them nicely integrated |
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| 09:05.28 | jott | or mod the LED in the corner - replace it with an ir diode ;) |
| 09:05.37 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 09:06.04 | KotCzarny | no cover crushing |
| 09:06.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 09:06.38 | jott | hey it's just some smd soldering :) |
| 09:06.44 | KotCzarny | 'just' |
| 09:06.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:06.53 | KotCzarny | i can't even do NORMAL soldering |
| 09:06.53 | mrklaw_ | have a good night |
| 09:06.54 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:07.23 | KotCzarny | amazon sux. |
| 09:07.30 | KotCzarny | order date: 11 mar |
| 09:07.44 | KotCzarny | estimated arrival date: 30 mar |
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| 09:51.18 | Jaffa | Whoa: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1212 is amazing. There is both a) activity, b) ownership, c) a comment saying at what revision it's been fixed. |
| 09:51.35 | KotCzarny | wow |
| 09:51.48 | KotCzarny | someone actually reads those bugs? |
| 09:51.59 | KotCzarny | bah, even resolves? |
| 09:52.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:52.18 | Jaffa | Must've been a fluke. Won't happen again ;-) |
| 09:54.17 | KotCzarny | i wonder what will happen after filling a bug 'no mbx libs in sdk/device, can't use pwoervr' |
| 09:54.18 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 09:54.48 | kulve | go ahead |
| 09:54.55 | KotCzarny | i'm not registered :/ |
| 09:56.11 | KotCzarny | but it would be interesting what's the nokia's stance in this case |
| 09:58.30 | kulve | if they would answer "no" in a sensible way then the url would be easy to paste to everyone asking about it.. |
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| 10:00.03 | KotCzarny | i'm interested: 1/ what is the reason it's not enabled, 2/ is it possible to enable and actually use it, 3/ will there be sdk/runtime support, 4/ is it planned |
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| 10:02.24 | KotCzarny | if anyone could post it.. |
| 10:02.30 | KotCzarny | i'm off to bed anyway :) |
| 10:02.33 | KotCzarny | night people |
| 10:02.37 | Jaffa | Guessing at the answers: 1) a combination of cost and hardware architecture making it tricky to use well; 2) not in any supported way; 3) Nokia do not comment on future device capabilities; 4) Nokia do not comment on the capabilities of any future devices. |
| 10:02.58 | KotCzarny | future? |
| 10:03.27 | Jaffa | s/devices/devices or ITOS releases/ |
| 10:03.46 | KotCzarny | bot failed |
| 10:03.48 | KotCzarny | hehe |
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| 10:11.11 | pupnik | i love how loud the n810 is... it's surreal |
| 10:11.23 | pupnik | but i think this is standard tech now |
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| 10:30.55 | _massi_ | hello! |
| 10:34.34 | aquatix | pupnik: too bad it is standard, as i really dislike those annoying people playing loud music in the train or metro from their cellphones |
| 10:34.47 | aquatix | is getting old and cranky ;) |
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| 10:43.55 | Italodance | :D |
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| 10:45.53 | AStorm | ok, who will give me vim-7 package for maemo? |
| 10:46.02 | AStorm | not conflicting with busybox |
| 10:46.12 | pupnik | i prefer the 300kb BSD vi |
| 10:46.18 | pupnik | to the 7 MB vim |
| 10:47.16 | AStorm | nvi is suck |
| 10:47.35 | AStorm | no support for buffers = fail |
| 10:47.44 | pupnik | nvi? |
| 10:48.05 | AStorm | nvi = BSD vi |
| 10:48.24 | AStorm | so, where can I grab the package from? |
| 10:48.27 | pupnik | ah, i never use multiple buffers |
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| 10:49.27 | andrewtaylor_ | Hi, is this a good channel to talk about the N810 device, or, can someone suggest a more appropriate one? |
| 10:49.41 | AStorm | the best one |
| 10:49.46 | AStorm | :) |
| 10:50.10 | dpb___ | AStorm: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vim/ |
| 10:50.22 | AStorm | hmm, not in repo? weird... |
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| 10:51.50 | kulve | andrewtaylor_: yeah, this is the channel |
| 10:52.27 | andrewtaylor_ | I'm trying to work out which phone I should upgrade to so I can use it as a modem with an 810. Vodafone UK can't help me, they say I should get a datacard. |
| 10:52.48 | AStorm | they're so wrong |
| 10:52.53 | andrewtaylor_ | yup |
| 10:53.00 | AStorm | you need a new HSDPA phone |
| 10:53.03 | AStorm | any will do |
| 10:53.26 | AStorm | now that both bt DUN and PAN are supported |
| 10:53.30 | kulve | andrewtaylor_: basically any phone with bluetooth works. If you want more speed, then the model matters.. |
| 10:53.48 | glass | any phone with bluetooth dun |
| 10:53.55 | glass | not any phone with bluetooth has it |
| 10:54.13 | andrewtaylor_ | They say that it won't be able to access the internet, because the tariffs that are attached to phones don't support it. I thought I could just get the £25 a month 3GB package added to my existing phone but they say it doesn't work like that. |
| 10:54.27 | pupnik | andrewtaylor_: probably TMI but here's the forums on "pairing + phone" http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1526286 |
| 10:54.43 | AStorm | glass, now there's a pan driver too |
| 10:54.51 | AStorm | so that doeesn't matter |
| 10:55.11 | glass | AStorm: of course it matters |
| 10:55.24 | AStorm | well, nope |
| 10:55.28 | glass | AStorm: you don't get to net with iphone through it's pt, pan or not |
| 10:55.39 | glass | bt |
| 10:55.48 | AStorm | that's because iphone is locked |
| 10:56.00 | glass | not locked, feature lacking... |
| 10:56.17 | AStorm | feature? doesn't have pan or dun? suck! |
| 10:56.21 | glass | (well doh it's locked, but the bt support is not about it per se) |
| 10:56.34 | glass | intentionally lacking for some weird reason |
| 10:56.45 | glass | same applies to lot of other phones |
| 10:56.53 | AStorm | so that apple can sell some attachment |
| 10:56.55 | glass | and operators wanting to limit data use to the handset |
| 10:57.11 | AStorm | well, Siemens S700 should be nice |
| 10:57.13 | glass | so buying just any phone without checking it can do the stuff is stupid |
| 10:57.27 | AStorm | symbian too |
| 10:57.48 | AStorm | all Nokias are fine too |
| 11:00.08 | AStorm | Symbian phones will work out of box, at least here |
| 11:00.22 | AStorm | our ISPs don't limit data that way |
| 11:00.29 | AStorm | just a transfer limit |
| 11:00.32 | AStorm | :P |
| 11:01.04 | _massi_ | I'd need help on this: since when I installed OS2008 on my n800 I have problems with my bluetooth GPS unit, which worked *perfectly* with the previous OS... the problem *seems* that the bluetooth link is unreliable |
| 11:02.36 | kulve | _massi_: sounds a bit odd. I've tested couple of gps devices without that kind of problems.. |
| 11:02.45 | _massi_ | both maemo-mapper and the map application suffer from it... maemo-mapper says it loses the gps link, while the map application just says it cannot get the fix (while the gps led on the unit says the fix is ok) |
| 11:03.08 | _massi_ | kulve: yes, I found nothing googling about this :-( |
| 11:03.14 | andrewtaylor_ | what about the speed of the bluetooth, can it support a 3g connection? |
| 11:03.35 | AStorm | andrewtaylor_: easily |
| 11:03.41 | GeneralAntilles | Limited to about 50KB/sec with DUN |
| 11:03.56 | AStorm | that, yup |
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| 11:04.04 | GeneralAntilles | Be around 120KB/sec with PAN |
| 11:04.06 | andrewtaylor_ | so I should look for HSDPA phones with PAN profiles? |
| 11:04.07 | AStorm | but should be faster |
| 11:04.09 | _massi_ | kulve: If I wanted to investigate, where should I look at? |
| 11:04.16 | AStorm | mhm |
| 11:04.22 | kulve | _massi_: sorry, I don't really have clues either.. |
| 11:04.27 | AStorm | GeneralAntilles: why the limit? |
| 11:04.35 | kulve | _massi_: test with other BT device? |
| 11:04.37 | AStorm | n can't keep upyü |
| 11:04.39 | GeneralAntilles | DUN has a shitton of overhead. |
| 11:04.40 | AStorm | up? |
| 11:04.54 | _massi_ | kulve: I don't own any :-( |
| 11:04.55 | GeneralAntilles | _massi_, OS2008 here, no problems at all with BT devices. |
| 11:05.01 | AStorm | BT should have some mbit |
| 11:05.04 | GeneralAntilles | Did you restore a backup? |
| 11:05.10 | kulve | http://www.mobileinfo.com/Bluetooth/FAQ.htm#t5 |
| 11:05.15 | GeneralAntilles | AStorm, DUN is the bottleneck, not BT. |
| 11:05.19 | kulve | "A: Bluetooth transfers data at a rate of 721 Kbps" |
| 11:05.25 | kulve | dunno if that's true.. |
| 11:05.26 | AStorm | so, cpu too weak? |
| 11:05.47 | AStorm | kulve: that's bt 1.0 |
| 11:05.58 | _massi_ | GeneralAntilles: no, I did a clean install and reconfigured manually |
| 11:06.00 | kulve | AStorm: ok |
| 11:06.08 | GeneralAntilles | The spec has a ton overhead which sucks up BT bandwidth. |
| 11:06.15 | GeneralAntilles | A variety of things. |
| 11:06.18 | GeneralAntilles | Not CPU bound, though. |
| 11:06.28 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not entirely certain what all is involved. |
| 11:06.37 | GeneralAntilles | But the profile is the limitation, anyway. |
| 11:07.08 | GeneralAntilles | _massi_, dunno, I haven't observed any BT issues with two (well, four, if you count two 770s) OS2008 devices. |
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| 11:08.18 | _massi_ | GeneralAntilles: but how can I see what's really going on there? would strace work on the tablet? or is there some easier way of looking at it? |
| 11:09.18 | AStorm | strace and ltrace are available |
| 11:09.33 | AStorm | but tracing bt isn't done with these |
| 11:10.39 | AStorm | where do I stick the def file for ukeyboard? |
| 11:11.55 | _massi_ | AStorm: so, how do I trace what happens on the bt link? |
| 11:12.13 | AStorm | hmm |
| 11:12.29 | AStorm | not sure |
| 11:12.43 | andrewtaylor_ | hmm, it seems the data plan is more confusing than the phone choice. There are so many HSDPA phones. |
| 11:12.51 | AStorm | :P |
| 11:13.04 | AStorm | yes, the data plans are funny |
| 11:13.18 | andrewtaylor_ | i think the providers are so worried about voip, they make data hard |
| 11:13.39 | AStorm | here you pay a premium |
| 11:13.58 | AStorm | and data is limited |
| 11:14.43 | andrewtaylor_ | where's here? |
| 11:14.44 | AStorm | it's cheaper just to use the plan |
| 11:14.45 | AStorm | Poland .0 |
| 11:14.47 | AStorm | :P |
| 11:14.47 | andrewtaylor_ | oh ok |
| 11:15.16 | AStorm | free minutes and all |
| 11:15.53 | andrewtaylor_ | Nokia E51 looks good and is available with my provider but doesn't seem to support PAN. |
| 11:16.20 | AStorm | it does if ou install symbian driver for it? |
| 11:16.52 | GeneralAntilles | DUN isn't the end of the world. |
| 11:17.05 | GeneralAntilles | So if it's not convenient to get PAN, I wouldn't put TOO much energy into it. |
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| 11:20.16 | andrewtaylor_ | If i'm going to take a new 2 year contract, I think I'd like to make sure i'm not limited in 6 months time. |
| 11:20.34 | AStorm | :P |
| 11:22.02 | GeneralAntilles | The limits on DUN or PAN wont change in 6 months. :\ |
| 11:22.21 | GeneralAntilles | 3g speeds are in the 7Mbps range for newer phones. |
| 11:23.10 | andrewtaylor_ | yes, but if I get a 7Mbps phone, I don't want to be restrict to 50Kb downloads because of DUN |
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| 11:23.24 | GeneralAntilles | PAN will only get you about 100-120KB/sec |
| 11:23.39 | GeneralAntilles | So, like I said, it's not an incredibly important thing to get if it's inconvenient. |
| 11:23.42 | andrewtaylor_ | that's at least doble DUN though |
| 11:25.26 | Lynoure | anyone tried a 3g modem directly with N8x0? |
| 11:26.26 | Lynoure | I know the Huawei ones work decently in linux in general... |
| 11:27.27 | GeneralAntilles | I'm fairly certain it was mentioned on ITT |
| 11:27.44 | GeneralAntilles | Cradlepoint 3g/wifi routers seem to be a better route, though. |
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| 11:28.40 | GeneralAntilles | Be interesting if you could use them without a $60/mo ISP data plan. |
| 11:28.55 | Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: here, yes... |
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| 11:29.57 | GeneralAntilles | Although I might consider switching from cable if the latency weren't so bad. |
| 11:30.02 | Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: here they come with a 10> / month euro data plans (limited speed, 'unlimited' amount) |
| 11:30.15 | Lynoure | s/>/€>/ |
| 11:30.17 | GeneralAntilles | Speed limited to? |
| 11:30.42 | Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: Depends on the monthly fee... I can check... |
| 11:31.04 | GeneralAntilles | I get "unlimited" speed and data for $20 |
| 11:31.14 | GeneralAntilles | But I'm technically violating the ToS by tethering. |
| 11:31.15 | Lynoure | 384 kbit/s for the 10 euro one, up to 2 Mbit/s for the 30 euro one. |
| 11:31.48 | Lynoure | tethering? |
| 11:32.04 | GeneralAntilles | Bluetooth tethering. |
| 11:32.54 | Lynoure | That is, by using it for your N8x0 through bluetooth? |
| 11:33.09 | Lynoure | That a crumpy limitation of them. |
| 11:33.35 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, US carriers aren't keen on data usage |
| 11:33.37 | Lynoure | What else is bluetooth for, really =) |
| 11:33.40 | GeneralAntilles | We get much better voice plans, though. ;) |
| 11:33.59 | GeneralAntilles | GPS, inter-device, keyboards, remote controls. |
| 11:34.05 | GeneralAntilles | Wiimotes. ;) |
| 11:35.47 | Lynoure | ouch. Good thing the carriers here don't have such limitations, at least never seen one yet. |
| 11:36.26 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, it works out |
| 11:36.31 | GeneralAntilles | Most US customers are heavy voice users. |
| 11:36.45 | GeneralAntilles | Those with data are primarily business customers. |
| 11:38.10 | glass | us is just late |
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| 11:39.38 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:44.02 | kharras | why |
| 11:50.30 | Italodance | huh? |
| 11:52.07 | Italodance | chinook = 4.1 ? |
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| 11:53.16 | GeneralAntilles | Diablo = 4.1, evidently. :\ |
| 11:53.28 | Italodance | tnx |
| 11:53.36 | kulve | chinook = 4.0.1 |
| 11:53.37 | Italodance | chinook = .... ? |
| 11:53.41 | Italodance | :D |
| 11:53.48 | AStorm | diablo isn't out yet |
| 11:53.49 | GeneralAntilles | Chinook = 4.0 |
| 11:54.09 | pupnik | For your tablet: free lectures (mp3) on austrian economics and liberty. http://mises.org/media.aspx |
| 11:54.18 | Italodance | guys i installed ukmp manually :D |
| 11:54.24 | GeneralAntilles | Mmm, thanks pupnik! |
| 11:54.56 | Italodance | infact download all pythons and libs then move to my tablet with usb cable and installed all package one by one... |
| 11:55.36 | Italodance | someone has libungif4g ? |
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| 11:56.50 | pupnik | libungif4g is available from repository.maemo.org |
| 11:57.10 | pupnik | Italodance: use http://gronmayer.com/it to search for packages |
| 11:57.28 | Italodance | pupnik yes but i couldn't find it there... |
| 11:57.45 | Italodance | on repository.maemo.org |
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| 12:00.39 | pupnik | Italodance: get root access in xterm |
| 12:00.41 | pupnik | then type |
| 12:00.43 | pupnik | apt-get update |
| 12:00.49 | pupnik | apt-get install libungif4g |
| 12:00.57 | kharras | why |
| 12:04.42 | kharras | I asked why |
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| 12:07.26 | AStorm | :P |
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| 12:12.51 | kharras | why |
| 12:13.21 | lopz | morning |
| 12:13.30 | GNUton | Hi |
| 12:13.35 | kharras | ¨why |
| 12:16.55 | Lynoure | kharras: why what? |
| 12:17.58 | kharras | what do you mean |
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| 12:23.20 | GeneralAntilles | Don't feed the troll, Lynoure. |
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| 12:29.46 | kharras | I am not a troll, you star wars relict |
| 12:31.26 | jani | Anyone knows if its possible to attach "focus-(in/out)-event" signal to HildonFindToolbar ? |
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| 12:32.23 | jani | doesnt seem to work currently atleast. |
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| 12:33.56 | webustany | hi there |
| 12:34.21 | webustany | is there a way to use mplayer as an audio backend for canola2 beta ? |
| 12:34.57 | GeneralAntilles | It uses mplayer. |
| 12:36.01 | webustany | hmmm... it does not see my m4a files |
| 12:36.21 | GeneralAntilles | Did you add the directories they're in into the search index? |
| 12:36.42 | webustany | yes |
| 12:36.53 | webustany | it does only see mp3 files |
| 12:37.55 | GeneralAntilles | shrugs. |
| 12:38.02 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sure it's been covered in one of the threads on ITT. |
| 12:38.12 | GeneralAntilles | They wouldn't happen to be protected, would they? |
| 12:38.14 | jott | well tagging will not be handled by mplayer i suppose :p |
| 12:38.40 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I think that canola doesn't necessarily display everything mplayer can play |
| 12:38.42 | webustany | no, they're not |
| 12:38.47 | GeneralAntilles | mplayer doesn't have anything to do with media scanning. |
| 12:38.53 | webustany | about tagging... I don't know |
| 12:39.05 | jott | well thats the problem.. |
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| 12:40.52 | webustany | i'm gonna look on ITT |
| 12:41.25 | GeneralAntilles | If you don't find anything, post in the latest beta thread |
| 12:41.37 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sure handful will be there to triage for you in minutes. |
| 12:41.42 | GeneralAntilles | (that man is a machine) |
| 12:41.43 | jott | maybe same applies for ogg |
| 12:41.48 | webustany | ok, thanks for the tip |
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| 12:41.58 | webustany | hmm, i didn't tested ogg |
| 12:43.08 | GeneralAntilles | You don't get the kind of support the INdT guys give from most commercial software companies. <_< |
| 12:43.53 | jott | on the other hand you can't run and fix it by yourself without the source ;) |
| 12:44.14 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, 99% of people don't have the skills to do that anyway. |
| 12:44.55 | GeneralAntilles | They contribute way more than their fair share to open source projects in the process of making Canola awesome, anyway. |
| 12:45.08 | jott | sure about the 99% in the ITOS world? :) |
| 12:47.28 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe 95% |
| 12:47.37 | GeneralAntilles | It's still not a high percentage. |
| 12:48.01 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, how many problems actually get fixed that way? |
| 12:48.13 | GeneralAntilles | Look at all of Nokia's open source stuff that still sucks. |
| 12:48.23 | GeneralAntilles | Nobody has gone in and fixed those. |
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| 12:49.20 | jott | sure things get fixed if they annoy people |
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| 12:49.48 | GeneralAntilles | Application Manager is the epitome of annoying. |
| 12:49.51 | GeneralAntilles | Nobody has fixed it. |
| 12:49.53 | GeneralAntilles | Weak argument. |
| 12:50.03 | GeneralAntilles | I get your point, but still. |
| 12:50.06 | jott | application maanger is not worth the effort |
| 12:50.14 | johnx | GUI package management is a bad example... |
| 12:50.21 | jott | most advanced poeple dont use it anyway |
| 12:50.22 | GeneralAntilles | OK, hildon-desktop. |
| 12:50.31 | GeneralAntilles | Plenty of annoyances there. |
| 12:50.34 | GeneralAntilles | Nobody has fixed it. |
| 12:50.50 | jott | hmm which? |
| 12:51.14 | jott | its part of gnome now so other people work on it |
| 12:52.09 | jott | you probably would get some fixes if you used a recent upstream version i guess.. |
| 12:52.33 | jott | but probably this would break closed nokia stuff.. |
| 12:53.11 | johnx | gah...I need to have a good long hack at resolution dependent stuff for hildon desktop themes :/ |
| 12:54.11 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I don't think there's much hacking on Nokia's open source stuff cos none of its development happens in an open way. Who'll hack on Application Manager when the sacred "UI specification" is closed? |
| 12:54.12 | jott | heh how far is this gone upstream wise? as many planned devices won't be 800x480... |
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| 12:54.45 | Jaffa | thinks Hildon itself is now very independent, but the theming isn't |
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| 12:55.50 | johnx | I think the things that will use other resolutions will use that weird ubuntu mobile flash desktop instead of "hildon desktop" |
| 12:56.17 | johnx | of course they'll still use apps based on hildon libs (which seem nicely resolution independent) |
| 12:56.36 | johnx | in fact I'm quite surprised by how un-broken things are with rotation enabled |
| 12:57.06 | GeneralAntilles | That damn UI spec. |
| 12:57.16 | GeneralAntilles | Where do we burn the people who came up with that thing? |
| 12:57.22 | GeneralAntilles | Heck, where do we file bugs against it? :\ |
| 12:57.45 | GeneralAntilles | It's like they hired a team of people to make it with the express intention of making things harder on the user. |
| 12:59.32 | jott | hehe maybe they asked their S60 UI team *g* |
| 12:59.41 | johnx | Anyways, my point about GUI package managers is that more often than not that is one of the most neglected areas of a linux desktop env |
| 12:59.55 | Italodance | phonelink don't work on my tablet ? why :( it's the latest version |
| 13:00.19 | GeneralAntilles | jott, that doesn't seem all that unlikely. |
| 13:01.44 | SDuensin | Morning. |
| 13:02.20 | GeneralAntilles | Every single retarded thing we run into seems to stem from that spec. <_< |
| 13:02.40 | GeneralAntilles | Why can't you organize the MicroB bookmarks how you want them? UI spec |
| 13:02.49 | GeneralAntilles | Why is the bundled xterm retarded? UI spec |
| 13:04.14 | johnx | and therein lies on of the reasons for lack of fixes: if userA hacks xterm to work the way they want do they have *any* expectation that upstream will accept that patch? |
| 13:04.28 | johnx | (or at least one of the theoretical reasons) |
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| 13:06.33 | GeneralAntilles | We need a team of people to break into Nokia and beat them all silly with frozen trouts. |
| 13:07.02 | johnx | I'm in. I'll start a pool for bus fare to get there. :D |
| 13:07.31 | jkyro | I might be able to spare a few for the trouts |
| 13:08.14 | Italodance | hi johnx :D |
| 13:08.33 | GeneralAntilles | "Stupid. *thwack* Shit. *thwack* Should. *thwack* Not. *thwack* Be. *thwack* Stupid. *thwack* For. *thwack* The. *thwack* Sake. *thwack* Of. *thwack* Stupidity." |
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| 13:12.43 | Italodance | is there any tool for unrar? |
| 13:12.48 | WormFood | good evening gents (and I use that term loosely) |
| 13:12.57 | WormFood | Italodance, did you try "unrar"? |
| 13:13.54 | Italodance | WormFood no where is it? |
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| 13:14.10 | Italodance | i couldn't find it at http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/ |
| 13:14.20 | WormFood | I don't know if there is one for the n800, but I know there is an unrar utility for Linux |
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| 13:15.22 | Italodance | ummm i want it for comix |
| 13:15.57 | wom- | http://packages.debian.org/unrar there seems to be one package for armel |
| 13:17.17 | Italodance | umm yes but can work for maemo? |
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| 13:17.48 | Italodance | i found it repository.maemo.org/contrib/pool/bora/free/u/unrar-nonfree |
| 13:19.24 | WormFood | sooo...did anyone fix that dhcp problem while I was gone? *evil grin* |
| 13:19.35 | Italodance | dhcp? |
| 13:19.55 | WormFood | yes |
| 13:20.10 | WormFood | dhcp does not get an IP from some routers on the n800 |
| 13:20.30 | Italodance | ohh i don't know sorry |
| 13:21.56 | Italodance | i couldn't install canola 2 ,libetk don't want to installl :"''''''''( |
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| 13:25.29 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 13:25.43 | WormFood | greetings! |
| 13:27.43 | Italodance | hi Khertan |
| 13:31.39 | pupnik | It is difficult to install things to N800 when offline Italodance :( |
| 13:31.53 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: count me in on stupid thwacking |
| 13:32.59 | GeneralAntilles | I don't mind stupid things being stupid due to lack of time/resources/people, or technical difficulties, or something |
| 13:33.14 | GeneralAntilles | but stupid things being stupid for the sake of stupidity is amount the most frustrating thing I can imagine. |
| 13:33.19 | Jaffa | But stupid-by-design... <shudder/> |
| 13:34.07 | pupnik | Is it closed-source? |
| 13:34.15 | Jaffa | The UI spec is |
| 13:34.35 | pupnik | No, i mean can you modify the browser to your liking and recompile? |
| 13:34.46 | GeneralAntilles | tablet-browser is closed. |
| 13:35.04 | pupnik | It is not based on GPL? |
| 13:35.18 | pupnik | microb? |
| 13:35.28 | jott | well either LGPL or MPL |
| 13:35.33 | Italodance | pupnik offline yes i know but i don't have ither way :"'( |
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| 13:35.53 | pusling | is it possible somehow to get usb networking working and still have your the mmc cards mounted ? |
| 13:36.05 | pupnik | Italodance: can you connect your N800 to the internet? |
| 13:36.31 | GeneralAntilles | MicroB is open |
| 13:36.35 | Italodance | pupnik no! not yet...i just use it on some wlan places |
| 13:36.35 | jott | pupnik: define "mounted" you can use sshfs, nfs, * ... |
| 13:36.36 | GeneralAntilles | tablet-browser is not. |
| 13:36.41 | jott | erm pusling |
| 13:37.11 | jott | pu[tab][tab] ;) |
| 13:38.04 | Italodance | pupnik i need to unistall gnokii_0.6.24-os2008_armel.deb ???? |
| 13:38.05 | pusling | jott: the n800 guides I have seen have all of them described the need for umounting the mmc cards before you can properly modprobe g_ether |
| 13:38.27 | Italodance | i installed phonelink_1.2.0-os2008_armel.deb and gnokii-gconf_0[1].6.1-os2008_armel.deb |
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| 13:38.58 | pupnik | I don't know what gnokkii is Italodance, but i suggest you figure out a way to connect N800 to internet. Perhaps you can use USB networking to connect through your computer |
| 13:39.15 | pupnik | afk |
| 13:39.29 | jott | pusling: yes, you have to unmount them and you can remount them via another protocol like sshfs |
| 13:39.30 | Jaffa | Does phonelink have a GUI now? It never used to, but seeing as it's getting so much press recently, I wondered if that situation's changed |
| 13:39.31 | Italodance | pupnik USB networking.....of hard work.... |
| 13:40.15 | pusling | jott: how mount them via another protocol ? If I umount them in the n800, it just sits there unused ? |
| 13:41.01 | jott | pusling: if you have usb networking you should have an ip connection hence you can use this for transfer of files |
| 13:41.40 | jott | i suppose there is a wiki entry how to do this right |
| 13:42.29 | jott | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/setting_up_usb_networking.html |
| 13:43.28 | Italodance | jott tnx i see |
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| 13:47.08 | GeneralAntilles | There's a statusbar applet that'll handle it all for you. |
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| 13:55.29 | pusling | jott: I still need to umount mmc2 before I can modprobe g_ether |
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| 14:00.22 | strayhikari | Jaffa: tried your media converter last night, worked like a charm |
| 14:01.11 | strayhikari | I converted to 400x240, I read on the forums that people were getting good performance with it, which resolution do you use? |
| 14:02.20 | Italodance | strayhikari 400x240 is perfect |
| 14:02.30 | GeneralAntilles | Up to 5xx horizontal can give you good results with low-motion stuff. |
| 14:03.05 | kulve | I use 640:240 with mencoder and I'm happy with the result |
| 14:03.19 | GeneralAntilles | Guaranteed to give you framedrop. |
| 14:03.56 | kulve | maybe on some very high-motions scenes, but mostly looks just good (with mplayer) |
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| 14:04.17 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, anything 6xx will give you a lot of framedrop even with medium motion stuff. |
| 14:04.22 | GeneralAntilles | Not recommended. |
| 14:04.26 | kulve | I disagree |
| 14:04.27 | Italodance | kulve lol ur tablet can read 640:240? |
| 14:05.40 | kulve | that's what I've been using |
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| 14:06.20 | GeneralAntilles | Some people handle framedrop better than others. |
| 14:06.36 | GeneralAntilles | But trust me, framedrop you will have with horizontal resolutions over 600px |
| 14:10.19 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles i always use 1700 bitrate = bluray quality :D |
| 14:10.24 | kulve | GeneralAntilles: are you now talking about some specific codec? and specific application? and specific audio codec? and specific height? and specific bitrate? Or is the 600px the only limit? |
| 14:10.58 | GeneralAntilles | Assuming decent MPEG4 |
| 14:11.23 | GeneralAntilles | Italodance, that wont play on the N800 |
| 14:11.43 | GeneralAntilles | and 1700Kbps != Bluray quality. |
| 14:12.33 | Italodance | GeneralAntilles yes i am watching 1700Kbps bitrate with my mplayer |
| 14:12.50 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe at very low resolution with framedrop. |
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| 14:12.58 | Italodance | and the best tool is PocketDivXEncoder_0.3.96 FOREVER! besure :D |
| 14:13.21 | pupnik | My media player will be pandora. Tv-out, dual fullsize SD and omap3530 |
| 14:13.38 | GeneralAntilles | How much are they planning on selling for anyway, pupnik? |
| 14:13.45 | pupnik | 300 bucks |
| 14:13.59 | GeneralAntilles | Not even sure it's worth it seeing how horrifyingly ugly it is. <_< |
| 14:14.07 | Jaffa | :) |
| 14:14.21 | GeneralAntilles | It's like they got a bunch of 3rd graders to design it. |
| 14:14.24 | jott | form follows function ;P |
| 14:14.31 | pupnik | If they can produce it at all it will be a small miracle |
| 14:14.32 | Jaffa | 'll look at pandora when it actually exists and people have them |
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| 14:14.58 | GeneralAntilles | jott, the color selection has nothing at all to do with function. |
| 14:15.06 | GeneralAntilles | Nor the horrifyingly ugly keys. |
| 14:15.15 | jott | they do! *stomp* |
| 14:15.24 | pupnik | hehe |
| 14:15.38 | jott | but i |
| 14:15.55 | jott | m really amazed that they did not ask some serious product designer ;p |
| 14:16.17 | jott | pupnik: do you know how much money is in the company? |
| 14:16.40 | GeneralAntilles | is more interested in Pandora code running on an N900. |
| 14:16.43 | jott | like do they get backing from some big investor? |
| 14:17.08 | jott | hehe n900 will run windows mobile ;P |
| 14:17.13 | pupnik | jott the design ideas have been discussed to death and they have gone with the 'no patent violation' and 'functional' design |
| 14:17.18 | pupnik | if you want sexy, get ipod |
| 14:17.32 | Jaffa | jott: a little unlikely, that ;-) |
| 14:17.32 | jott | yeah sure.. |
| 14:17.39 | jott | hmm |
| 14:17.39 | GeneralAntilles | Sexy isn't want I want, something that I wont be embarrassed to be seen with in public is. :P |
| 14:17.46 | Jaffa | :) |
| 14:17.57 | jott | still they need some money to bring this to a factory |
| 14:18.14 | pupnik | yes there are private investors |
| 14:18.14 | jott | and either they need a big company or some venture capital |
| 14:18.45 | pupnik | they reduced the unnecessary things that would have jacked up prices |
| 14:19.34 | jott | like opengl drivers? *scnr* :) |
| 14:20.22 | Tobotras | How do I move screen applets? Pressing clock applet, for example, fires clock application... |
| 14:20.29 | jott | still would be nice to see them in real world |
| 14:20.49 | Jaffa | Tobotras: you need to drag it without touching it first; I "sweep" down in a curve and pick it up |
| 14:21.06 | Tobotras | Jaffa: erhm... |
| 14:22.04 | GeneralAntilles | Don't pause. |
| 14:22.09 | GeneralAntilles | Just tap and MOVE. |
| 14:22.50 | Tobotras | I see. The best results is from using of thumb instead of stilo :) |
| 14:22.56 | Jaffa | It's easy when you know how, just impossible to describe :-) |
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| 14:28.52 | Tobotras | Jaffa: LOL |
| 14:36.26 | jani | Tobotras: it depends on where you click and drag.. |
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| 14:37.54 | jani | Tobotras: try dragging from right side of the applet, it shouldnt trigger clock.. |
| 14:38.22 | Tobotras | jani: find the silver bullet: use the thumb :) |
| 14:38.25 | Tobotras | found |
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| 15:00.58 | pppoe_dude | is gizmo encryption |
| 15:01.03 | pppoe_dude | encrypted*? |
| 15:07.23 | WormFood | what? the executable or the network traffic? (I don't know the answer to either one, just trying to clarify your question) |
| 15:08.25 | pppoe_dude | network traffic |
| 15:08.33 | pppoe_dude | (i.e. audio, etc) |
| 15:08.43 | WormFood | I feel it is rather unlikely that it is |
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| 15:10.46 | Lynoure | http://support.gizmoproject.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=printable&kbarticleid=327#19 is the closest I found |
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| 15:35.49 | Xtagon | I'm anxious to start developing for Maemo 4.0, and I'm beginning the tutorial, but I have an issue. The scratchbox install script says I can't install it on x86_64. All the OS's I have installed are 64-bit. Do I need to install a 32-bit OS to develop, or can I trick it into working somehow? |
| 15:36.19 | Jaffa | Xtagon: no, it works quite well. |
| 15:36.41 | Xtagon | Checking for prerequisites |
| 15:36.41 | Xtagon | -------------------------- |
| 15:36.41 | Xtagon | Running as user root... yes |
| 15:36.41 | Xtagon | Not running as user root inside fakeroot... yes |
| 15:36.41 | Xtagon | Running outside of scratchbox... yes |
| 15:36.42 | Xtagon | Running on Linux kernel... yes |
| 15:36.44 | Xtagon | Running on i386 architecture... no |
| 15:36.46 | Xtagon | E: Currently Scratcbox can only run in 32 bit i386 architecture. |
| 15:36.50 | Jaffa | Xtagon: just run the installer as 'setarch i386 ./installer.sh" |
| 15:37.07 | Xtagon | Thanks, I'll try that : ) |
| 15:39.06 | Xtagon | Works great : D |
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| 15:45.25 | Italodance | friends my mplayer can't read *.mp4 files,,,,what can i do? is there any setting? |
| 15:45.41 | Italodance | Rathann|work my mp4 videos are converted by Internet Tablet Video Converter |
| 15:46.03 | Italodance | my media player can read them and no mplayer or ukmp |
| 15:46.11 | Italodance | my mplayer is 24 |
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| 15:46.19 | Italodance | well it can read mp4 videos but very slow |
| 15:46.32 | Italodance | and it unable to update 25 / 26 why? |
| 15:49.07 | Jaffa | Italodance: mplayer's not well optimised for mp4 |
| 15:49.54 | Italodance | Jaffa ummm is there any setting? or another way? |
| 15:49.54 | qwerty12 | Who's tried Bundyo's Rc2 version of Mplayer. Much more of an improvement. Flv works perfectly and the menu is a hackers dream :p |
| 15:50.28 | Jaffa | Italodance: use Media Player for your MP4 files. Canola automatically switches to using it, rather than mplayer for playback |
| 15:50.33 | Jaffa | qwerty12: nope, not seen it |
| 15:50.49 | pppoe_dude | Lynoure, thanks |
| 15:50.53 | qwerty12 | wait a sec, i'll bring up the link. I love it |
| 15:51.21 | qwerty12 | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18231&highlight=mplayer |
| 15:52.52 | Italodance | Jaffa ukmp can switch to? |
| 15:53.16 | qwerty12 | Does anybody know if gnome-doc-utils >= 0.10.0 exists for armel target or will I have to try and hopelessly compile it myself? I found gnome-doc-utils (v. 0.6.1-3.maemo2) but it doesn't work with the thing I am trying to compile. |
| 15:55.41 | Italodance | Jaffa yes my Media Player can play good all mp4 videos |
| 15:56.53 | Jaffa | Italodance: dunno, ask kontorri? |
| 15:57.27 | GeneralAntilles | I doubt it. |
| 15:57.33 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: tablet-encode v2.18's going to have an 'mplayer' preset back. My mencoder doesn't like vbitrate >= 1300, says "bitrate above max bitrate" |
| 15:57.36 | Jaffa | too, TBH |
| 15:57.54 | GeneralAntilles | Good stuff, Jaffa. |
| 15:58.01 | GeneralAntilles | <3's mediautils. |
| 15:58.50 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: what's the max vbitrate you've used? |
| 15:59.14 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't really done any heavy testing with high bitrates. |
| 15:59.35 | GeneralAntilles | Probably 1200Kbps or so with a 512xsomething South Park episode. |
| 15:59.40 | GeneralAntilles | Worked fine. |
| 15:59.54 | GeneralAntilles | Supposedly rm_you has had luck with 400x240 at 1400Kbps |
| 15:59.56 | Jaffa | Hmm. Oh well, 2.18'll also have the ability to add your own presets in a ~/.tablet-encode.conf |
| 16:00.14 | Jaffa | wonders if his Gutsy-provided mencoder is a bit crap |
| 16:03.34 | strayhikari | Jaffa, I have some ogg files with a couple different audio streams and subtitles |
| 16:03.57 | strayhikari | can media converter handle those? |
| 16:04.24 | Jaffa | Which media converter? tablet-encode should be able to, with appropriate options |
| 16:04.39 | strayhikari | hmm let me check |
| 16:04.52 | Jaffa | 's support only extends to his own ;-) |
| 16:05.28 | strayhikari | hehe |
| 16:05.51 | strayhikari | I tried media converter last night |
| 16:05.59 | strayhikari | I should try tablet-encode it sounds like? |
| 16:08.56 | Jaffa | Dunno, does http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html sound like something you'd like? |
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| 16:16.07 | strayhikari | Jaffa sounds pretty cool to me |
| 16:16.11 | strayhikari | building it up |
| 16:17.52 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Aha, it's the vrc_maxrate thing which needs to be smarter :-) |
| 16:19.33 | strayhikari | wow even better |
| 16:19.59 | strayhikari | I'm an arch user, didn't know if you knew this, but somebody built tablet-encode and put it in our user repositories |
| 16:22.50 | strayhikari | looks like the version is outdated though, 2.0.2 and your newest is 2.0.17? |
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| 16:23.04 | Jaffa | strayhikari: correct. |
| 16:25.57 | strayhikari | cool, works like a charm |
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| 17:03.48 | Italodance | ummm availabe a video tuner for n800? |
| 17:04.35 | Jaffa | Video "tuner"? |
| 17:04.40 | pusling | what part of the boot process is responsible for the device nodes (and the access) to the memory cards on n800 ? (I want to start a application from a memory card during boot) |
| 17:04.45 | Veggen_ | WormFood? there? think I do have a similar dhcp problem.... |
| 17:05.34 | Italodance | Jaffa ah ah mistake tv tuner |
| 17:06.01 | inz | pusling, I think it, at least used to be, ke-recv that mounts the memory cards |
| 17:06.11 | inz | +is |
| 17:06.12 | dtahtbot | inz: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 17:06.18 | inz | Grr |
| 17:06.40 | qwerty12 | +i am stupid if I repeat this |
| 17:06.40 | Veggen | pusling: I'd just make a new script run late in init script that tests for the existence of the binary and runs it if it's there? |
| 17:06.41 | dtahtbot | qwerty12: Error: "i" is not a valid command. |
| 17:07.01 | qwerty12 | I got beat by a bot :( |
| 17:07.10 | Veggen | that is, after all other init scripts. |
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| 17:07.34 | Veggen | instead of modifying those delivered by OS. |
| 17:08.00 | pusling | Veggen: I have tried placing it as S98 |
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| 17:08.18 | Veggen | doesn't work? |
| 17:09.13 | pusling | Veggen: nope. and if I run mount beore trying to start my app, I get that it isn't mounted - and trying to mount it results in mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc1 failed |
| 17:10.58 | Italodance | MythTv can be a tv tuner ? |
| 17:11.04 | qwerty12 | No. |
| 17:11.12 | Italodance | ok |
| 17:11.20 | qwerty12 | It can connect to a computer running mythtv though. |
| 17:11.24 | Veggen | pusling: hmm. timing issues? try sleeping a while? |
| 17:11.48 | qwerty12 | Italodance: Do you have DVB-H in Iran? |
| 17:12.14 | Italodance | qwerty12 DVB-H? |
| 17:12.19 | Veggen | uh? sure it can. or it can use a tv card. |
| 17:12.32 | Italodance | qwerty12 yes |
| 17:12.33 | pusling | Veggen: I try at both S31 and at S98 - and both fails :/ |
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| 17:13.14 | Veggen | pusling: try at S98 and sleep 60 before trying? |
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| 17:13.20 | Veggen | just for test. |
| 17:13.28 | qwerty12 | IF you ever get good DVB-H in Iran, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17704 . It's not fully working afaik and I've never tried it so don't ask me for help. |
| 17:14.05 | Italodance | qwerty12 ummm let's try |
| 17:15.37 | pusling | Veggen: trying .. the only interesting thing run after is the metalayer-crawler (which I have no clue what is - maybe it isn't that interesting after all ...) |
| 17:16.04 | Italodance | but that's hard http://dvbh.kilu.de/ |
| 17:16.44 | qwerty12 | So don't do it then. It only works if you have a hardware dongle & good DVB-H services |
| 17:18.10 | pusling | is there any way to get "normal" debian style boot output on the screen while booting instead of fancy nokia loko ? |
| 17:18.22 | Italodance | qwerty12 exactly it seems to be a dangerous way |
| 17:18.37 | pusling | qwerty12: why do your nick match my password ? |
| 17:18.52 | qwerty12 | pusling: I dunno :P |
| 17:19.22 | qwerty12 | I don't know how long you have been here but I've never seen you before and I've been on here a bit frequently recently :p |
| 17:20.24 | qwerty12 | pusling: For kernel, Nope, it requires framebuffer support in kernel and some other odd stuff. The framebuffer driver seems to be broken in Kernel, after modifiying the frame buffer c file, I finally get it to compile. I flash it to my N800, only to find it turns off |
| 17:20.34 | qwerty12 | Install sysklogd instead and see syslog after boot up. |
| 17:21.41 | pusling | Veggen: sleeping 60 actually gives me what I want. - but it kind of slows the boot process ;) |
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| 17:24.22 | Italodance | http://behindmaemolines.blogspot.com/2008/01/os2008-repositories.html NICE POST :D |
| 17:24.25 | morbec | what kind of information is saved on E_CONTACT_SIP? |
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| 17:25.54 | Jaffa | Italodance: You've seen http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ I presume? |
| 17:26.37 | Italodance | Jaffa yes before ..why? |
| 17:27.11 | qwerty12 | Because Gronmayer has all of them. |
| 17:27.17 | qwerty12 | With easy installation. |
| 17:27.58 | Italodance | Jaffa qwerty12 yes friends but i am installing offline these now .....till wlan |
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| 17:32.25 | Jaffa | has severely limited the number of repos he's installed since his last flash. It's just not worth the pain. If an app author wants users, (s)he should put it in extras(-devel) |
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| 17:33.26 | prograf | hi to everybody |
| 17:33.34 | Italodance | hi prograf |
| 17:33.37 | qwerty12 | Hello |
| 17:34.19 | prograf | I'm new user on 770 and have some troubles... I see this IRC channel on maemo.org and decide to join... :-D |
| 17:34.46 | Italodance | welcome here |
| 17:35.48 | prograf | I have a little/big question... I'm Macintosh user too... and I like to synchronize contacts between Mac->700, is this possible? |
| 17:36.44 | snake_mountain | profraf: sadly, no |
| 17:36.55 | prograf | damm |
| 17:36.58 | GeneralAntilles | vcards work, prograf. |
| 17:37.09 | GeneralAntilles | Just export from Address Book |
| 17:37.13 | GeneralAntilles | copy it over |
| 17:37.19 | GeneralAntilles | and import into Contacts on the 770. |
| 17:38.11 | prograf | I see, I try to export vcards on address book but Contacts on 770 don't have register to phone or address, is this correct? |
| 17:39.14 | GeneralAntilles | Installing gpe-contacts is also an option. |
| 17:39.55 | prograf | ok. an need import contact to contact or I can impor all vCard at one time? |
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| 17:41.00 | GeneralAntilles | It'll import as a batch if you export as a batch |
| 17:41.09 | GeneralAntilles | (i.e. export to a single file) |
| 17:41.34 | qwerty12 | Is there a way to make a deb file without dh_make. That shit is pissing me off. I don't need any scripts to run, I've made a directory structure 8-) |
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| 17:43.37 | Jaffa | qwerty12: see PyPackager and Theme Maker. They both make debs without using the debian tools |
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| 17:44.55 | prograf | ok, then in Address Book on Macintosh export to an unique file called (by example) vCard, and then in GPE-Contacts impor all contact from this unique file, if I understand correctly? |
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| 17:45.00 | qwerty12 | Jaffa: Thanks, I think PyPackager will work, I just can't be bothered with all the typing :( but I guess I am being picky. I don't know if I would be able to adapt Theme Maker for my purpose, unless I "rip" the finished deb and replace files. But I believe the file is md5summed. |
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| 17:45.43 | webustany | prograf: there was a time when evolution-data-server crashed on multi contacts vcards... |
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| 17:45.49 | webustany | prograf: maybe it's been fixed now |
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| 17:45.58 | webustany | oh wait, it was with contacts |
| 17:46.00 | webustany | not gpe-contacts |
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| 17:49.07 | KaaLi | what do i need if i want to use my phone with n810... including messages and contacts.. over BT |
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| 17:50.04 | inz | KaaLi, you need to write an application that does that |
| 17:50.11 | webustany | :p |
| 17:50.22 | inz | KaaLi, or use gammu/gnokii from command line |
| 17:50.35 | webustany | isn't there wammu for n810 ? |
| 17:50.39 | KaaLi | sounds nice |
| 17:51.28 | snake_mountain | Hello. Anyone have sqlite3 running on N770? |
| 17:51.32 | webustany | I'm trying to connect an EAP-TLS network, I imported the certificate but it doesn't show in the certificates control panel |
| 17:51.47 | webustany | when I try to import it again, it says "already imported" |
| 17:52.00 | Veggen | pusling: from your startup-script, launch another script in the background that for 10 repetitions or so tries to find the binary and launch, but sleep 5 seconds and tries again upon failure. |
| 17:53.09 | Veggen | a little ugly, but it should work. |
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| 18:00.36 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: if you get a chance, could you do some testing of v2.18 of tablet-encode? https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/tablet-encode/?root=mediautils - changelog in: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/tablet-encode/README.txt?root=mediautils&rev=67&view=markup |
| 18:01.53 | GeneralAntilles | Will do. Probably sometime tonight or tomorrow morning (EDT). |
| 18:04.03 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ...and if you see rm_you this evening (and I don't), can you poke him to do similar? |
| 18:04.52 | Jaffa | thinks --epsiodes is going to be quite handy for his trip to San Francisco (11 hr flight :-/) |
| 18:06.05 | qwerty12 | Wow, San Francisco that far from UK? Or is it timezone difference? Don't hate me, I've never been out of the UK :( |
| 18:06.26 | GeneralAntilles | 7 hour timezone difference. |
| 18:06.31 | Jaffa | Flight there: we land 3 hours after taking off. Flight back: we land 19 hours after taking off :-( |
| 18:06.38 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: 8, actually. |
| 18:06.44 | GeneralAntilles | DST |
| 18:06.52 | Jaffa | In both countries :-) |
| 18:07.10 | derf | Jaffa: Tokyo -> DC I landed 2 hours before I took off. |
| 18:07.20 | Jaffa | derf: cool :) |
| 18:08.11 | KaaLi | was a funny bit in jack ass movie... they were near japan where day changes.. it was friday... and an hour later it was thursday again.. |
| 18:08.50 | qwerty12 | I love jackass, I've seen 1 & 2 uncensored. I have yet to watch 2.5 & 3 when it comes out :p |
| 18:09.13 | KaaLi | 2.5? |
| 18:09.34 | qwerty12 | Yeah, some movie they released before 3. |
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| 18:10.00 | qwerty12 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackass:_Number_Two#Jackass_2.5 |
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| 18:15.11 | prograf | ok I try with GPE-Contact but not import an unique file... and I've more than 700 contact in my address book... |
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| 18:18.23 | prograf | :-( |
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| 18:19.12 | Italodance | someone has hildon-libs0 (>= 0.12.22-1), ? |
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| 18:33.54 | EruditeHermit | is there a simple way to get screen rotation working? |
| 18:34.17 | wom- | what do you mean by simple? |
| 18:34.25 | EruditeHermit | how hard is it? |
| 18:34.42 | EruditeHermit | do I need to do a kernel recompile? |
| 18:35.05 | wom- | no |
| 18:35.06 | wom- | http://sse2.net/rotate/ |
| 18:35.16 | wom- | there are quite nice instructions |
| 18:35.19 | wom- | and kernel you need |
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| 18:37.49 | _massi_ | hello! does anybody know where the maps application saves its maps, and if it's possible to (eventually) move them somewhere else, maybe using a symlink? |
| 18:38.00 | EruditeHermit | wom-: is it stable? |
| 18:38.32 | _massi_ | my root partition is almost full, and I guess those maps take most of the space... |
| 18:39.00 | kulve | _massi_: the maps are in the internal flash in n810, no in the root fs |
| 18:39.09 | kulve | i.e. internal mmc |
| 18:39.23 | _massi_ | kulve: I have an n800 |
| 18:39.48 | kulve | well, same thing. They are in the internal mmc by default, afaik |
| 18:39.53 | _massi_ | are they in the internal slot? |
| 18:39.59 | kulve | yup |
| 18:40.00 | _massi_ | ah,ok, thanks |
| 18:40.09 | derf | _massi_: There's a config option that specifies the path to the map database. |
| 18:40.33 | _massi_ | derf: I cannot find it... |
| 18:40.36 | derf | Well, one for each map repository, I believe. |
| 18:40.38 | wom- | EruditeHermit: pretty good |
| 18:40.57 | derf | Under "manage repositories" or some such. |
| 18:41.14 | derf | Copy the .db's, change the config, delete the original .db's. |
| 18:42.00 | EruditeHermit | wom-: will give it a try thanks |
| 18:42.26 | _massi_ | derf: I'm speaking of "maps", not maemo mapper... I cannot find that option in maps |
| 18:42.49 | derf | _massi_: Oh. I misunderstood. |
| 18:42.56 | derf | I've never actually used "maps". |
| 18:42.58 | _massi_ | anyway, I found the map directory in my internal sd |
| 18:44.19 | _massi_ | derf: well, it's maps are good (I live in Italy), but it does not keep track of your route (no "trail" in the display), so maemo mapper is still a better experience |
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| 18:44.59 | _massi_ | derf: on the other hand, with maps I can look up addresses without having a net connection... |
| 18:45.20 | _massi_ | derf: I'm speaking if the free "version" of maps |
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| 18:46.47 | derf | The fs they shipped on my internal memory card was corrupt, so I had to reformat and lots the maps it shipped with, and I've never bothered to re-download them. |
| 18:47.27 | kulve | derf: how did you reformat it? On my device the format option is dimmed.. Maybe because I'm using swap there..? |
| 18:47.47 | derf | kulve: Over USB. |
| 18:47.53 | derf | Yeah, I disabled swap first. |
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| 18:48.15 | kulve | ok |
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| 19:15.40 | stulli | hello |
| 19:16.16 | webustany | hi |
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| 19:25.26 | stulli | has someone here managed to put cwiid to use? |
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| 19:29.30 | lcuk | wonders how ppl function on only a couple of hours sleep |
| 19:29.56 | wom- | generally they dont :) |
| 19:30.08 | lcuk | that would be why i feel as crap as i do |
| 19:30.51 | wom- | you should go to sleep |
| 19:30.57 | wom- | sleeping is the best thing ever |
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| 19:31.48 | lcuk | goin to asa missus gets back from shops |
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| 19:33.05 | wom- | asa, shop in uk? |
| 19:33.20 | lcuk | as soon as |
| 19:33.26 | wom- | aaah :) |
| 19:33.32 | wom- | maybe i should get some sleep |
| 19:33.57 | webustany | is maemo-launcher supposed to use 50% of my RAM ? |
| 19:34.04 | webustany | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.10 | webustany | (top output) |
| 19:34.25 | lcuk | is that sustained or just whilst its munching a file |
| 19:34.38 | webustany | sustained |
| 19:34.45 | webustany | I've mediabox running |
| 19:34.48 | webustany | playing a m4a |
| 19:34.53 | webustany | no other apps |
| 19:35.06 | lcuk | doesnt sound right |
| 19:35.06 | webustany | gnome vfs daemons also eats 40% |
| 19:35.19 | webustany | I tried to kill it once, it rebooted the box :p |
| 19:35.21 | lcuk | so you have about 1kb of memory |
| 19:35.38 | lcuk | have you added symlinks |
| 19:36.00 | webustany | huh ? symlinks ? |
| 19:36.07 | webustany | I have a virtual memory of 128m |
| 19:36.40 | lcuk | if you dont know about symlinks chances are you havent added any :) |
| 19:36.50 | webustany | I know what a symlink is |
| 19:36.56 | lcuk | i cant even turn mine on battery flat |
| 19:36.56 | webustany | but don't know why I'd have added some... |
| 19:37.47 | lcuk | if you add a link to / from your home you can access it from the explorer thingy |
| 19:38.06 | webustany | I see, I use the terminal :) |
| 19:38.14 | webustany | or store my docs in the standard place |
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| 19:41.19 | skibur | is this right???? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150229346412 |
| 19:41.22 | webustany | hmmm |
| 19:41.52 | skibur | o_O |
| 19:43.02 | lcuk | well black is available |
| 19:43.03 | lcuk | http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=eee+black&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 19:43.43 | skibur | but for .99? |
| 19:44.09 | lcuk | why not? its a starting bid |
| 19:44.13 | skibur | + shipping 19.99 |
| 19:44.13 | dtahtbot | skibur: Error: "shipping" is not a valid command. |
| 19:44.31 | skibur | plus shipping |
| 19:44.36 | skibur | $19.99 |
| 19:45.05 | lcuk | yer, its got 8 days to go - lots of auctions start that price then work their way to usual ebay selling price |
| 19:45.15 | lcuk | you not used to ebay? |
| 19:45.22 | skibur | this comp cost $300 |
| 19:45.31 | lcuk | and? |
| 19:45.50 | koyote | lower starting bids and realisticshipping gnerally == more profit |
| 19:45.52 | skibur | o ok, I'm not a E-bay User |
| 19:46.04 | koyote | one of the core rules of ebay selling, especially for technology items |
| 19:46.21 | skibur | I see |
| 19:46.57 | koyote | i have suggestions if you want an eee |
| 19:47.21 | skibur | ok |
| 19:47.28 | lcuk | best suggestion is: buy from a reputable shop. they are cheap enough the warranty is worth it :) |
| 19:47.31 | koyote | as of a week ago when i last checked, the 4g surf in BLACK had the ram access door for easy ram upgrades |
| 19:47.40 | koyote | the white requires a full disassembly. |
| 19:47.48 | prograf | bye tomorrow I'm back and try another things |
| 19:47.58 | koyote | no webcam, but whoopdedo. $329 instead of $399 |
| 19:48.11 | skibur | hum... |
| 19:48.36 | koyote | upgrade to 2GB ram, put in a 8GB sdhc card, and you are still right at $400 |
| 19:48.42 | koyote | we have 2. |
| 19:49.11 | lcuk | wish they would hurry up and put touch in there - even though the form factor doesnt quite ssuit it |
| 19:49.16 | skibur | without a cam |
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| 19:55.51 | koyote | shrug. the touchscreen isn't that big a loss (used to have a lifebook that did have it) |
| 19:55.59 | koyote | it's a HUGE machine. |
| 19:56.04 | koyote | compared to a n800 |
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| 19:57.10 | m-c | So, for the last couple weeks, I was like - yeah, the N800 is liquid awesome, but I can't plug my USB devices into it, so it's not everything I need. BUT... |
| 19:58.02 | m-c | I found this today. I am not very familiar with Bluetooth, do you think it would allow the N800 to connect with any kind of USB device, like memory sticks? http://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00142&dept_id=015&cat_id=036 |
| 19:58.13 | m-c | wish it was BT 2.0 |
| 20:00.00 | skibur | :) |
| 20:00.29 | m-c | Furthermore, how many devices can the BT 2.0 in the N800 connect with at once? Anyone tried more than one pairing? |
| 20:00.40 | skibur | any nice hacks for N800/N810? |
| 20:00.59 | m-c | skibur: endless number of nice hacks |
| 20:01.06 | koyote | m-c: hrm. |
| 20:01.17 | koyote | why not a powered usb hub? |
| 20:01.45 | m-c | koyote: and connect via the N800 USB port? |
| 20:01.51 | skibur | I only have KDE on mine. Thats about it. |
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| 20:03.13 | koyote | m-c: you need usb hacks, but i think it'll work. look at the forums |
| 20:03.47 | m-c | I'd rather not do the USB hacks, but, yeah, I know what you mean. I'd like to start moving toward all BT and WiFi connections. |
| 20:04.07 | m-c | I want to start getting into embedded computing. |
| 20:04.37 | koyote | then working usb host is important for a whole slew of reasons |
| 20:04.46 | m-c | Going to try and cut the tether of computing |
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| 20:06.08 | m-c | What do you think about multiple BT devices? |
| 20:06.37 | koyote | bandwidth limits |
| 20:06.58 | m-c | yeah - but have you gotten multiple devices to work on the N8x0 ? |
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| 20:07.57 | m-c | USB isn't exactly screaming fast bandwidth either... |
| 20:08.13 | m-c | You can get 2.1 Mbit/s on the BT in the N8x0 |
| 20:09.04 | koyote | but why should i HAVE to use bt instead of usb to connect my external drive? |
| 20:09.19 | m-c | Hmm - I just looked up USB 2.0 -- 480 Mbit/s |
| 20:09.33 | glass | usb is pretty wide |
| 20:09.45 | glass | but the parts probably arent that fast |
| 20:09.50 | glass | a lot slower.. |
| 20:10.06 | m-c | That's for "Hi-Speed"... not sure that's supported. Full-Speed is 12 Mbit/s |
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| 20:10.34 | m-c | koyote: Will hacking the kernel for host-USB-mode screw anything else up? |
| 20:10.50 | koyote | dunno, haven't done it yet nor read all the threads |
| 20:10.52 | m-c | I'm always reluctant to bring the device too far from the defaults, since I use it so much. |
| 20:11.22 | m-c | Well, then, in answer to your question, why you would use BT over USB, is because you can do it without mucking around with the kernel. |
| 20:11.51 | koyote | well, clone it over to an sd card and run a testing environment |
| 20:12.09 | glass | m-c: also, less wires is sometimes useful |
| 20:12.16 | koyote | of course |
| 20:12.26 | koyote | but this XOR thing is weird to me |
| 20:12.30 | m-c | I'm halfway considering buying a second N800 just for a sandbox. |
| 20:12.30 | koyote | both is better. |
| 20:12.36 | koyote | just clone |
| 20:12.43 | koyote | then you have dual boot |
| 20:13.29 | m-c | No one has tried multiple BT devices at the same time? Surprised. |
| 20:13.47 | KotCzarny | maybe no one has multiple bt devices |
| 20:13.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:14.13 | m-c | I figured many people would have a headphone and a keyboard, at least. |
| 20:15.08 | koyote | i am sure someone has run a bt-phone data connection and bt keyboard at the same time |
| 20:15.22 | koyote | but your sampling universe is less than 2 dozen people on irc |
| 20:15.40 | koyote | the forums. use the forums. search a bit |
| 20:16.11 | MangoFusion | i could send files as well as use a bt keyboard once i recall |
| 20:17.28 | m-c | okay, thanks - that helps a lot. Now I know the N8x0 is capable of BT host mode. |
| 20:20.50 | Cptnodegard | ive had the bt igo connected, cellphone connected for internet, and at the same time sending a file from the same cell |
| 20:21.09 | m-c | nice - thanks Cptnodegard |
| 20:21.10 | Cptnodegard | but the KB laggs if you have BT DUN on and type too fast |
| 20:21.22 | KotCzarny | kb lags even without |
| 20:21.26 | Cptnodegard | it eeeennnndssss uuuppp liikke ttthhisss |
| 20:21.29 | KotCzarny | probably some power saving |
| 20:21.31 | Cptnodegard | literally |
| 20:21.36 | KotCzarny | my n-gage worked perfectly |
| 20:21.39 | KotCzarny | no lag at all |
| 20:22.05 | Cptnodegard | lagg as in letters being triple, not lagg as in slow |
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| 20:22.27 | KotCzarny | i experienced lag similiar to ssh with max wifi powersaving |
| 20:23.02 | KotCzarny | if it's not used for a few seconds it goes to sleep or something (n800) |
| 20:23.26 | elb | I've never noticed that being a problem for ssh |
| 20:23.40 | Jaffa | belatedly confirms yes, you can run two BT devices (e.g. phone for network connection and keyboard) at the same time. Also, OS2008 doesn't need a powered hub or other form of hack to use USB devices such as memory sticks. If you can get a physical connection (e.g. USB female-A to female-A gender changer) it's fully supported. |
| 20:23.44 | m-c | I sure have - frustrating to the point of now wanting to use it |
| 20:23.52 | Cptnodegard | thats annoying indeed.... if you dont realize, and type along, it can end up closing apps and removing desktop apps (from view) |
| 20:23.59 | Cptnodegard | happened to me twice |
| 20:24.09 | m-c | Jaffa: nice!!!! thanks!! |
| 20:24.16 | elb | I mean, specifically, ssh'ing into an n810 on the local network |
| 20:24.26 | Cptnodegard | most flash drives anyways |
| 20:24.35 | Cptnodegard | 100 or 100mah limit |
| 20:24.38 | Cptnodegard | 200* |
| 20:24.44 | koyote | Jaffa: ? |
| 20:24.53 | m-c | elb - yes, ssh over wifi and the typing would stall out every couple seconds |
| 20:24.57 | koyote | i could use a usb keyboard without any mucking around? |
| 20:25.03 | elb | yeah, I've never noticed that |
| 20:25.05 | m-c | elb - using OS2007 |
| 20:25.34 | elb | which isn't to say it doesn't happen, I don't ssh to it very often |
| 20:25.44 | elb | I normally leave it in offline mode to conserve power, in fact |
| 20:26.20 | koyote | i want my wifi ON when it's on and OFF when it's off. very simple, really |
| 20:26.57 | KotCzarny | koyote: yes |
| 20:27.19 | Cptnodegard | i leave it online, doesnt use much |
| 20:27.39 | KotCzarny | cpt: wrong |
| 20:27.45 | KotCzarny | it's like a 2x times difference |
| 20:27.50 | Cptnodegard | oh noes |
| 20:27.51 | KotCzarny | wifi on/off |
| 20:27.53 | Cptnodegard | someone call the army |
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| 20:27.56 | Cptnodegard | :) |
| 20:28.11 | elb | 1/2 the usable time would be annoying for me |
| 20:28.30 | Cptnodegard | what i meant is, i dont mind charging it every day, i use it so much i have to do that anyways, so the online mode dont make any differece |
| 20:28.36 | elb | 1/2 the usable sleep time wouldn't be a big deal, I don't know how it would impact actual use |
| 20:28.37 | KotCzarny | but if you browse actively it's still down to 3h anyway |
| 20:28.40 | KotCzarny | so not a big deal |
| 20:28.41 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:28.43 | elb | except for the fact that the batteries are so damn expensive |
| 20:29.07 | elb | I do a lot of document viewing, for which I get many hours of useful life |
| 20:29.13 | elb | I'm not sure how many ... but at least 7 or 8 |
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| 20:52.45 | m-c | Just got a BT headset working to make a VoIP call over WiFi. Worked very well. |
| 20:53.06 | KotCzarny | n8x0 ftw! |
| 20:54.06 | ivy | mornin |
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| 20:54.39 | m-c | KotCzarny: seriously. I think it'll replace my cell phone and maybe even my desktop in the next year |
| 20:55.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:56.06 | KotCzarny | i could use external battery pack |
| 20:56.12 | elb | I can't see any such device ever replacing a cell phone |
| 20:56.20 | KotCzarny | that will attach to the back |
| 20:56.25 | m-c | KotCzarny: it's called an extension cord |
| 20:56.43 | KotCzarny | m-c: that's a wired solution |
| 20:57.20 | m-c | well, how about this... |
| 20:57.38 | KotCzarny | http://www.sourcingmap.com/external-lithium-ion-battery-pack-for-psp-3200-mah-500-p-1436.html?campaign=1002 |
| 20:58.06 | m-c | I used to lug a laptop around with me when I traveled for work. I always had a second battery charged up in my bag for long plane trips |
| 20:58.19 | KotCzarny | 3.2Ah is ~2.5 times of the internal one |
| 20:58.27 | m-c | you think maybe you could swap out batteries? |
| 20:58.37 | KotCzarny | it has usb connector |
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| 20:59.01 | KotCzarny | so simply getting usb--nokia plug will be enough |
| 20:59.11 | KotCzarny | swapping batteries sucks |
| 20:59.18 | KotCzarny | you have to reboot the device |
| 20:59.34 | m-c | it doesn't suck as much as carrying around a huge Ion Battery Pack |
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| 20:59.42 | KotCzarny | it's not that huge |
| 20:59.49 | m-c | What do you care about reboots... it's a solid state device |
| 20:59.53 | KotCzarny | i believe it's ~ size of n8x0 |
| 21:00.02 | KotCzarny | but you loose your workstate |
| 21:00.12 | elb | also, the n8x0 battery costs more than that battery, which stores more than twice as much power |
| 21:00.31 | elb | because Nokia, like all other small device companies, worships this stupidass battery conspiracy |
| 21:01.03 | elb | and, solid state or not, you lose state when you reboot, and state is valuable |
| 21:01.10 | m-c | you think charging through the USB port is safe? |
| 21:01.15 | KotCzarny | no |
| 21:01.19 | KotCzarny | you misunderstood me |
| 21:01.21 | elb | you should try paying a little bit of attention |
| 21:01.24 | KotCzarny | it has usb plug |
| 21:01.28 | m-c | ooohhh! |
| 21:01.34 | KotCzarny | so get usb--nokia charging plug |
| 21:01.37 | KotCzarny | and you're set |
| 21:01.49 | KotCzarny | usb plug --- nokia 2mm plug |
| 21:02.08 | elb | which is also stupid |
| 21:02.12 | KotCzarny | yup |
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| 21:02.23 | KotCzarny | but still doable |
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| 21:02.26 | elb | why the F would a company change a perfectly good power plug used by gajillions of devices |
| 21:02.28 | KotCzarny | because no electronics are needed |
| 21:02.46 | m-c | KotCzarny: and you think this is better than carrying around and using the plug? |
| 21:02.55 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 21:02.57 | elb | power supply for portable devices is a totally ridiculous situation |
| 21:03.08 | Jsn | Does anyone know how to turn off the "pop checking email" notification in claws mail? I tried to turn it off in the preferences but it will not go off |
| 21:03.16 | elb | m-c: carrying around the plug is only reasonable if you can camp by outlets |
| 21:03.16 | KotCzarny | because for example on the plane you don't have access to ac/dc power |
| 21:03.20 | KotCzarny | unless you travel first class |
| 21:03.30 | KotCzarny | but then you have enough money for anything |
| 21:03.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:03.35 | elb | and heaven forbid you're European |
| 21:03.43 | elb | where the power plug is larger than the battery pack he's looking at ;-) |
| 21:03.47 | m-c | elb: Camping outlets is standard for laptop users |
| 21:03.52 | KotCzarny | elb: not necessarily |
| 21:03.53 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:03.56 | elb | m-c: that doesn't make it non-stupid |
| 21:04.07 | KotCzarny | there are also ones similiar to us lite plug |
| 21:04.23 | elb | the fact that one particular technology has unfortunate limitations does not mean we should strive to impose those limitations on all other technologies |
| 21:04.35 | elb | KotCzarny: yeah, the "shaver" plugs or whatever |
| 21:04.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:04.44 | Jaffa | fancies a small adapter, which is MicroUSB on one end and Nokia 2mm power on the other (possibly also replicating the USB port). Then I can have it as a small dongle in my gadget bag. |
| 21:05.12 | koyote | man, i used to have usb cable adaptor stuff |
| 21:05.16 | koyote | and i cannot find it |
| 21:05.16 | KotCzarny | 21st century dongle man |
| 21:05.19 | KotCzarny | rocks |
| 21:06.02 | KotCzarny | hmm, that psp battery pack could use some velcro |
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| 21:07.09 | m-c | I like to tell the story, "What's the biggest part of the computer?" People always say, "The monitor." Of course, the answer is "The power supply." We just hide most of that infrastructure, but we need a power generation station, transmission wires, and transformers, just to make the computer work. |
| 21:07.24 | koyote | i have an external pack, it's pretty cool. |
| 21:07.25 | KotCzarny | m-c: not true |
| 21:07.32 | KotCzarny | get a solar panel |
| 21:07.35 | KotCzarny | or a crank |
| 21:07.36 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:07.43 | m-c | not for a desktop |
| 21:07.49 | KotCzarny | why not? |
| 21:07.56 | koyote | i need an adaptor to make it work with the n800, though |
| 21:07.56 | KotCzarny | there a re low power pcs too |
| 21:07.57 | m-c | you can't crank 450 W |
| 21:08.28 | koyote | 1: you can charge batteries. nothing in the pc actually runs off of ac |
| 21:08.30 | KotCzarny | m-c: not true |
| 21:08.38 | elb | it's ridiculous that desktops even draw 450W |
| 21:08.45 | koyote | 2: you can buy 12dc power supplies for your desktop case |
| 21:08.46 | elb | (in the main, they don't, of course) |
| 21:08.58 | KotCzarny | dc power ftw! |
| 21:09.05 | koyote | 3: VERY VERY few times will you actually draw 450 watts |
| 21:09.31 | koyote | KotCzarny: dc is more efficient in this case as a battery system is going to work without inverters, right? |
| 21:09.31 | KotCzarny | koyote: unless you are pc gamer with 3x nvidia |
| 21:09.32 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:09.47 | KotCzarny | koyota: which case? |
| 21:09.55 | koyote | if you need a 3x nividia stay on the grid |
| 21:10.06 | KotCzarny | you simply get voltage regulator |
| 21:10.07 | koyote | KotCzarny: any standard case |
| 21:10.15 | KotCzarny | and provide enough amps |
| 21:10.30 | koyote | no, KotCzarny- you need the ps to do the 12, 5v, neg 5v, etc |
| 21:10.39 | KotCzarny | nop |
| 21:10.46 | KotCzarny | that's what voltage regulators are |
| 21:10.53 | KotCzarny | 12V -> anything |
| 21:11.05 | MangoFusion | man, i wish i still had my acorn |
| 21:11.19 | KotCzarny | mango: autumn will be there soon |
| 21:11.20 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:11.39 | koyote | http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/sc.8/category.13/.f |
| 21:12.13 | KotCzarny | koyote: yes, and it's based on voltage regulators |
| 21:12.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:12.20 | koyote | plural. |
| 21:12.32 | KotCzarny | may be single |
| 21:12.41 | KotCzarny | if has multiple outputs |
| 21:12.42 | elb | lord hopes it wouldn't be voltage regulators |
| 21:12.44 | koyote | a voltage regulator is not enough. there's a lot more going on to give the necessary voltage and clean power |
| 21:12.54 | elb | there are possibly worse ways to trim down battery power, but I wouldn't know what |
| 21:13.04 | koyote | but you know more than i do, i just build power supplies for ham radios |
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| 21:13.25 | koyote | elb: measured voltage loss in line length! |
| 21:13.40 | KotCzarny | elb: v-r are in every device anyway |
| 21:13.58 | elb | voltage regulators are *not* doing the 12v-5v conversion |
| 21:14.13 | KotCzarny | i may be naming it wrong |
| 21:14.26 | elb | ... because a voltage regulator essentially burns off the voltage difference as wasted power |
| 21:14.27 | koyote | aw, come on. one component VR to do noisy car powred +2vdc to -5vdc? |
| 21:14.32 | koyote | hehehehehehe |
| 21:14.43 | KotCzarny | elb: not really |
| 21:14.46 | elb | yes, really |
| 21:14.54 | KotCzarny | there are efficient ones |
| 21:15.01 | KotCzarny | with >90% efficiency |
| 21:15.02 | koyote | KotCzarny: you may be looking for words like transformer |
| 21:15.06 | elb | seriously, that's the *definition* of "voltage regulator" |
| 21:15.17 | elb | you're talking about something different, if you're talking about 90% efficiency |
| 21:15.37 | KotCzarny | elb: lm2576 etc? |
| 21:15.44 | elb | voltage regulators are a good choice for turning something that's *about* 5v into something which *is* 5v |
| 21:15.57 | elb | but for large power reduction, they're very wasteful |
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| 21:16.00 | koyote | and cleaning up the power. |
| 21:16.19 | elb | I suspect this is just a terminology problem |
| 21:16.25 | elb | voltage regulator means something rather specific |
| 21:16.46 | KotCzarny | is esl speaker |
| 21:16.48 | elb | the lm2576 is a switching power supply |
| 21:16.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:17.05 | KotCzarny | LM2576/LM2576HV Series SIMPLE SWITCHER 3A Step-Down Voltage Regulat |
| 21:17.10 | KotCzarny | or |
| 21:17.21 | elb | a "voltage regulator" is basically just a transistor |
| 21:17.56 | KotCzarny | what i meant there are single chips that do 24V -> 3-30V conversion |
| 21:18.02 | KotCzarny | with >90% efficiency |
| 21:18.45 | elb | well, not >90%, but yeah |
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| 21:18.50 | KotCzarny | yes, >90% |
| 21:18.58 | elb | I mean, there may be very specific circumstances where you can get >90% |
| 21:18.59 | KotCzarny | but those are more expensive ones |
| 21:19.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:19.12 | elb | power conversion is generally not a pretty picture |
| 21:19.28 | KotCzarny | and efficiency is related to specific cases i agree |
| 21:19.50 | KotCzarny | but still, ac-dc power supplies are more wastefull |
| 21:20.03 | elb | absolutely |
| 21:20.19 | elb | well, again, there's more to it than that, but generally speaking, yeah |
| 21:20.27 | elb | that depends on things like how good you need your DC to be ;-) |
| 21:20.33 | KotCzarny | good. |
| 21:20.33 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 21:20.36 | qwerty12_N800 | i have a quick q, if you have modules for something but you didn't choose to enable them in the kernel ; can you stilll insmod th |
| 21:20.42 | KotCzarny | they're not that expensive |
| 21:20.44 | KotCzarny | i mean chips |
| 21:20.48 | elb | (for non-computing purposes, simple rectified AC is sometimes good enough) |
| 21:20.54 | qwerty12_N800 | insmod the modules fine? |
| 21:20.55 | KotCzarny | qwerty: yes |
| 21:21.04 | KotCzarny | as long they have compatible magic |
| 21:21.20 | qwerty12_N800 | ok thanks :), i wasn't sure |
| 21:21.21 | KotCzarny | which may be kernel version, gcc used, compilation options |
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| 21:24.10 | KotCzarny | bbl |
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| 21:26.39 | WorkingOnWise | Is the N800 true stereo output, or mono from 2 speakers |
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| 21:28.37 | ||cw | at that distance, does it matter? |
| 21:28.47 | ||cw | the headphones are true stereo |
| 21:30.21 | WorkingOnWise | it does matter if I can find a way to broadcast it's output to the internet |
| 21:31.16 | ||cw | wouldn |
| 21:31.18 | ||cw | er |
| 21:32.04 | ||cw | wouldn't that depend on headphone+line in or using something else to redirect the sound? or are you thinking 2 little mic's? |
| 21:33.11 | WorkingOnWise | I am hoping for something like cat /dev/audio-out-device | /dev/audio-in-device |
| 21:33.47 | WorkingOnWise | but I dont know enough to know if my attempts would fail or just not strung together right |
| 21:37.50 | ||cw | that wouldn't work, since out is out, not input. |
| 21:38.01 | koyote | okay, can anyone confirm a usb keyboard working on os2008 on an n800? |
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| 21:38.08 | koyote | before i get out the soldering iron |
| 21:38.16 | ||cw | you need to tap into the stream in the API, assumin the app in question is usig one that can be tapped into |
| 21:43.12 | Veggen | hmm. i need an alt-key. anyone knows what it maps to? |
| 21:43.34 | Veggen | (i.e. can catch it with xev?) |
| 21:44.25 | elb | that will depend on your keymap |
| 21:44.36 | elb | but what do you mean by you "need an alt-key"? |
| 21:44.51 | elb | you need to generate an alt keystroke? |
| 21:45.00 | elb | for terminals, ESC will probably suffice |
| 21:45.17 | Blafasel | 'Sounds' like he wants to catch it in his application |
| 21:45.21 | elb | for non-termanals, use xmodmap to find out what's bound to Mod1, and use one of those |
| 21:45.28 | elb | to catch it, catch Mod1 |
| 21:46.27 | Veggen | elb: I need to map me an alt on the n810 keyboard :) |
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| 21:47.11 | elb | yeah, just bind a key to one of the keysyms listed under Mod1 in xmodmap |
| 21:47.42 | elb | you can do that using xmodmap (which is kind of a hack), or you can create an appropriate xkb map |
| 21:48.23 | fysa | WorkingOnWise, you would need to get esd working. |
| 21:48.39 | webustany | Veggen: you want to port emacs on the n810 |
| 21:48.39 | webustany | ? |
| 21:48.55 | Veggen | elb: I'm already doing xkb-stuff. |
| 21:49.14 | fysa | http://www.advogato.org/person/pycage/diary.html?start=58 |
| 21:49.16 | Veggen | webustany: nope. but already done, I believe? |
| 21:49.28 | fysa | they have an example of going in reverse -- i.e., use N800 as speakers for a desktop computer |
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| 21:49.55 | webustany | Veggen: I was kidding... But, really ? I wonder how usable it is |
| 21:50.29 | fysa | to go the other way, you would have to get alsa-esd on the N800 to work I think |
| 21:50.36 | elb | the last one I tried was ... not very |
| 21:50.45 | fysa | koyote, from what I hear, you just plug it in and it comes up. |
| 21:50.55 | fysa | koyote, and why a soldering iron? you can buy the adapter cable for $4.95 here.. |
| 21:51.20 | m-c | I wonder if the FM tuner in the N800 could be used to tune television VHF signals |
| 21:51.30 | Veggen | elb: but what's the usual keysym for alt? |
| 21:51.38 | m-c | hmm - audio or even video |
| 21:51.43 | elb | Alt_L/Alt_R |
| 21:52.07 | Veggen | ah. hmm, ok. lemme try that. |
| 21:52.49 | elb | however, you almost certainly don't actually want alt, but Mod_1 |
| 21:53.03 | elb | for which you have to consult xmodmap |
| 21:53.16 | koyote | fysa: i can't find one locally |
| 21:53.35 | koyote | so why not take a spare keyboard and make a cable the length i want? |
| 21:53.43 | koyote | i have plenty of both |
| 21:53.57 | fysa | bummer. true enough. |
| 21:54.02 | fysa | I heard that Publix carries it. |
| 21:54.04 | koyote | m-c: yes. the lower band, to 76mhz |
| 21:54.24 | m-c | oooh -- neat! |
| 21:54.26 | koyote | an if i ever find that targus frolding usb keyboard i used to have..... |
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| 21:55.41 | m-c | do you have any BT keyboard recommendations? |
| 21:56.17 | fysa | Apple Wireless.. bought one for the N800 and liked it enough that I replaced the IBM M-type on my desktop. |
| 21:56.27 | m-c | I was reading on wikipedia on the topic of BT... interesting to see where the logo came from |
| 21:56.37 | m-c | thanks fysa |
| 21:56.41 | koyote | the berkano rune? |
| 21:56.43 | fysa | doesn't fold though |
| 21:56.59 | fysa | but it's tiny and you can find a nice carrying case that fits the keyboard and device |
| 21:57.38 | m-c | I was looking on the web at the leapfrog keyboard - neat - it's used by one hand |
| 21:58.09 | m-c | but it said it required MS or Apple, so I didn't know if it would work here |
| 21:58.55 | elb | it may (foolishly) not produce standard HID keystrokes |
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| 22:00.26 | Veggen | elb: why wouldn't I want Alt_L on something and Mod1 to Alt_L? |
| 22:00.35 | m-c | koyote: television stations are broadcasting digital signals these days... wonder if the N800 will ever be able to tune the shows there |
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| 22:01.26 | elb | Veggen: you can do that, sure |
| 22:01.43 | elb | (and there's no real downside) |
| 22:02.16 | m-c | ... would need a tuner + MPEG2 decoder in one application |
| 22:05.13 | elb | m-c: the n800 tuner almost certainly doesn't provide the necessary bandwidth |
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| 22:05.37 | m-c | elb: huh - never considered the bandwidth on a tuner... |
| 22:06.23 | elb | basically all a tuner *is* is a notch filter of a particular bandwidth and center ;-) |
| 22:06.54 | elb | plus some goop to extract the signal from its carrier and center it somewhere useful |
| 22:07.11 | Veggen | hmm. worked, but keystroke was awkward. |
| 22:07.27 | elb | hmmm notch filter is not the right term, it's the reverse of a notch |
| 22:07.40 | Veggen | think I want ctrl-shift and not fn-shift |
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| 22:10.22 | Veggen | eek. that had side effects, fn-shift to Alt_l |
| 22:10.46 | Veggen | suddenly, my bare fn stopped working. |
| 22:10.59 | elb | uh oh ;-) |
| 22:11.13 | elb | I use Fn+shift for ] |
| 22:11.24 | Veggen | and I need an exclamation-mark.anyone |
| 22:11.28 | elb | which is probably a bad binding |
| 22:11.34 | elb | but I need Ctrl-] |
| 22:11.40 | elb | ! |
| 22:13.00 | Veggen | thanks :) |
| 22:13.08 | Veggen | my fn key back. |
| 22:14.19 | Veggen | I put { and [ back where the ( is. chr+k for { and chr+shift+k for [ |
| 22:14.48 | m-c | http://www.hackerstickers.com/products/frogpad-bluetooth-mini-keyboard.shtml |
| 22:15.40 | pupnik | you know the USA has overthrown the got in somalia? |
| 22:15.52 | pupnik | yeah, they overthrew a stable govt! |
| 22:15.58 | m-c | "the got" ? |
| 22:16.02 | pupnik | the washington post said |
| 22:16.09 | pupnik | there were three al quaeda in somalia |
| 22:16.24 | pupnik | so the cia got the ethopian army to invade |
| 22:16.30 | Veggen | elb: your keystroke is a little awkward on mine, but possible :) |
| 22:16.34 | pupnik | and hundreds of thousands of people have fled! |
| 22:16.37 | pupnik | it's really fun! |
| 22:16.51 | elb | Veggen: where did you put ]? |
| 22:17.19 | Veggen | chr+shift+l |
| 22:17.29 | Veggen | |
| 22:17.57 | elb | hmmm I didn't know chr could work that way |
| 22:18.02 | elb | is that an additional xkb hack? |
| 22:18.23 | m-c | pupnik: you can find an audience for your discussion in #politics |
| 22:18.32 | Veggen | elb: I took away the popup on chr. |
| 22:18.41 | pupnik | nah |
| 22:18.52 | pupnik | shitloads of people getting killed |
| 22:18.53 | Veggen | elb: maps th keys I need directly instead. |
| 22:19.00 | pupnik | i don't respect borders |
| 22:19.11 | Veggen | there's enough keys to take from :) |
| 22:20.15 | koyote | grins |
| 22:20.35 | koyote | let's get into fm versus am, ssb, cw, and phase modulation! |
| 22:22.20 | elb | pupnik: do you have some sort of source for this? |
| 22:22.38 | elb | I'm interested in it, but ... "the US invaded" versus "the Ethiopian army invaded" are two very different things |
| 22:23.34 | elb | that leaves aside calling the Somalian government "stable", of course ;-) |
| 22:23.49 | Veggen | elb: setting COMP to ISO_Level5_Shift and modifier_map Mod3 to ISO_Level5_Shift and you can map keys on chr and chr+shift too. and maybe chr+shift+fn |
| 22:24.26 | pupnik | elb yes it was all usa |
| 22:24.49 | Veggen | see EIGHT_LEVEL-examples in standard xkb map. |
| 22:24.52 | elb | is that a source? |
| 22:25.04 | elb | Veggen: yeah, I'm using some eight-level mappings, but only as a side effect |
| 22:25.14 | pupnik | no it is a challenge |
| 22:25.17 | elb | but my Chr key bound to the menu |
| 22:25.31 | pupnik | i am a qualified commentator |
| 22:25.50 | elb | I see |
| 22:26.02 | elb | Veggen: assume there was a verb in that last sentence ;-) |
| 22:26.36 | Veggen | elb: oh? I don't need a menu key. I bound the original menu key to the left to Ctrl_L instead and had myself an extra ctrl. |
| 22:26.52 | pupnik | elb antiwar.com is the source |
| 22:26.55 | elb | I meant the Chr menu thing |
| 22:27.00 | elb | not the menu menu |
| 22:27.01 | pupnik | listen to the interviews for the past year |
| 22:27.07 | elb | I actually use the menu key pretty often |
| 22:27.09 | pupnik | and then get back to me |
| 22:27.51 | elb | I doubt I could take a year's worth of propaganda in one sitting |
| 22:27.56 | Veggen | elb: yah, I don't :) or I decided to bind it all in xkb instead. |
| 22:28.30 | pupnik | elb did the CIA overthrow the iranian government in 1953? |
| 22:28.56 | elb | I'm sure it did |
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| 22:29.05 | elb | there is no world strife but that caused by the US government, of course |
| 22:29.37 | elb | Hitler and Stalin were merely pawns in the US bid for world domination |
| 22:29.41 | pupnik | you dumb fuck, the mainstream news is the propaganda |
| 22:29.49 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 22:29.49 | pupnik | it is pure lies |
| 22:29.59 | KotCzarny | hitler was a good friend of us |
| 22:30.01 | elb | nice |
| 22:30.16 | KotCzarny | he just wanted to speed up nwo |
| 22:30.20 | KotCzarny | in his own way |
| 22:30.23 | m-c | ignores. |
| 22:30.29 | elb | I like how you moved directly to ad hominem without even a single sentence of logical defense |
| 22:30.32 | elb | I think we're done here |
| 22:30.55 | pupnik | i deal in shorthand with shitiots |
| 22:31.07 | pupnik | massive propaganda apparatus |
| 22:31.08 | elb | I see |
| 22:31.08 | KotCzarny | same with mao |
| 22:31.10 | pupnik | elb denies it |
| 22:31.18 | pupnik | shorthand |
| 22:31.18 | elb | what did I deny, exactly? |
| 22:31.21 | elb | help me understand |
| 22:31.32 | pupnik | USA invading somalia |
| 22:31.43 | elb | in fact, I did no such thing |
| 22:31.55 | elb | in actuality, I asked for information on the matter |
| 22:32.21 | elb | but you were too busy being offended a priori to provide useful information, as far as I can tell |
| 22:32.47 | elb | then came the blind name-calling |
| 22:32.54 | elb | so, yeah ... I'm done here |
| 22:33.06 | pupnik | they just bombed somalia |
| 22:33.11 | pupnik | sorry you're uninformed |
| 22:33.31 | KotCzarny | anyone is? |
| 22:33.34 | KotCzarny | hardly |
| 22:33.34 | pupnik | it's just a prod to investigate yourself |
| 22:33.45 | elb | why don't you provide information, instead of spewing vitriol |
| 22:34.17 | pupnik | http://www.google.com/search?q=usa+bombed+somalia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=Swiftfox:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a |
| 22:34.30 | pupnik | http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-12-24-ethiopia-somalia_x.htm |
| 22:34.37 | pupnik | http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-04-24-somalia_N.htm |
| 22:34.43 | pupnik | http://www.plnewsforum.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/30056/ |
| 22:34.52 | pupnik | http://uspolitics.tribe.net/thread/e041da4b-d4a3-49e2-8354-54037f5c758e |
| 22:34.53 | elb | oh, you're talking about YEARS ago |
| 22:34.58 | pupnik | http://en1.chinabroadcast.cn/2947/2008/03/03/1321@329489.htm |
| 22:35.05 | pupnik | http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/archive/index.php/t-98955.html |
| 22:35.13 | pupnik | \http://noisyroom.net/blog/2006/12/25/ethiopian-forces-bomb-somalias-two-main-airports/ |
| 22:35.45 | elb | the fact that you barged into #maemo with this information led me to believe you were speaking of a new initiative |
| 22:35.59 | pupnik | http://www.antiwar.com/lind/?articleid=10277 |
| 22:36.06 | pupnik | http://www.antiwar.com/bock/b042903.html |
| 22:36.12 | pupnik | http://www.antiwar.com/eland/?articleid=10793 |
| 22:36.19 | pupnik | http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10238 |
| 22:36.25 | elb | (sorry guys, I should never have encouraged him) |
| 22:36.26 | pupnik | http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=9233 |
| 22:36.35 | pupnik | http://www.antiwar.com/orig/baroud.php?articleid=11934 |
| 22:36.45 | pupnik | http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10299 |
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| 22:36.54 | pupnik | http://www.antiwar.com/rothschild/?articleid=9152 |
| 22:37.02 | pupnik | http://www.antiwar.com/blog/category/africa/somalia/ |
| 22:37.10 | pupnik | http://www.antiwar.com/orig/aden.php?articleid=12111 |
| 22:37.18 | pupnik | http://www.antiwar.com/orig/browne.php?articleid=10793 |
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| 22:38.47 | pupnik | the USA is engaging in proxy war in somalia |
| 22:39.01 | pupnik | the country had just recovered from decades of civil war |
| 22:39.19 | pupnik | the regional islamists had restored a modicum of peace and stablitiy |
| 22:39.30 | pupnik | and begun to create a new civil society |
| 22:39.36 | lcuk | the us is involved in a lot of things they shouldn't be, but this isn't a political channel |
| 22:39.39 | pupnik | that was not acceptable to the herren in the usa |
| 22:39.53 | pupnik | sorry. hundreds of thousands of dead |
| 22:39.57 | pupnik | my country at fault |
| 22:40.04 | pupnik | thought i should let you know |
| 22:40.10 | pupnik | like. you know |
| 22:40.16 | pupnik | a good opponent to the nazis |
| 22:40.59 | pupnik | it's not politics |
| 22:41.06 | pupnik | just informing of genocide |
| 22:41.12 | pupnik | peace |
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| 22:41.15 | Veggen | hmmm. I can't have two modifiers on same key. nuts, where to put alt ? |
| 22:41.30 | elb | Veggen: you can put two modifiers on the same key using xmodmap |
| 22:41.41 | elb | I don't know how to do it in xkb |
| 22:41.47 | Veggen | not in xkb? |
| 22:41.55 | elb | probably, but I don't know how |
| 22:42.14 | Veggen | well. they seem to interfer when I try. |
| 22:43.55 | koyote | huh |
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| 22:47.41 | Veggen | elb: an example? |
| 22:47.56 | Veggen | did interfer when I tried. |
| 22:48.03 | elb | for xmodmap? |
| 22:48.09 | Veggen | yah. |
| 22:48.22 | elb | add Alt_L = (keysym) |
| 22:48.25 | elb | all Meta_L = (keysym) |
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| 22:49.37 | Veggen | elf: I want Mod1 to shift-ctrl and (obviously) ctrl to a bare ctrl. |
| 22:49.51 | Veggen | can I do that? |
| 22:50.09 | elb | oh, wait ... you're trying to do the opposite of what I just said, then? |
| 22:50.16 | Veggen | yah. |
| 22:50.19 | elb | err, no |
| 22:50.26 | elb | is a bit confused |
| 22:50.54 | elb | you can't bind mod1 to other modifiers |
| 22:51.02 | elb | you would have to bind a *keysym* to other modifiers |
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| 22:51.11 | elb | keys and modifiers are entirely orthogonal |
| 22:51.17 | Veggen | well, yah. |
| 22:51.41 | elb | and ... I'm not sure if a single key can trigger more than one *modifier* or not |
| 22:51.58 | Veggen | didn't seem like. |
| 22:52.05 | elb | a single keysym can trigger more than one keycode |
| 22:52.16 | elb | err, wait ... a single keycode can trigger more than one keysym |
| 22:52.26 | elb | curse this terminology ;-) |
| 22:52.37 | elb | X keyboard handling is about the most baroque thing I've ever dealt with |
| 22:53.14 | Veggen | I only just started xkb hacking, was used to more xmodmap before, but never got the hang of modifiers. |
| 22:53.33 | elb | ok, so, if you have a particular keysym, you can put it on both Ctrl and Shift |
| 22:54.00 | elb | doing precisely what I said above, with two add lines |
| 22:54.08 | koyote | did we just lose part of the ice sheet? |
| 22:54.38 | Veggen | sure. but that would lose me either ctrl or shift ? :) |
| 22:54.48 | elb | ice sheet? |
| 22:54.55 | Veggen | I'm trying tongain a modifier here. |
| 22:55.03 | Veggen | to gain. |
| 22:55.13 | koyote | elb: big frozen water masses in antartica |
| 22:55.15 | elb | all right, let me look and see what you're trying to do, again :-) |
| 22:55.24 | koyote | don't worry about it. glboal warming is a myth |
| 22:55.26 | elb | koyote: hah I thought you were referencing something to do with maemo |
| 22:55.40 | koyote | no, my wife just sent me a KSR bingo sms |
| 22:56.00 | elb | so you want the keystroke shift+ctrl to produce mod1 instead of shift and control |
| 22:56.13 | elb | I think you'd have to give up another key for that, actually |
| 22:56.50 | Veggen | elb: nuts. maybe I need to give up my precious left ctrl. |
| 22:56.52 | elb | it surprises me if there was global warming-related loss of part of the ice sheet *this* year, in particular, since this year is the coldest worldwide winter on record in half a century |
| 22:56.58 | elb | Veggen: good luck with that |
| 22:57.06 | elb | I think when I looked, the keycode for left and right ctrl was the same |
| 22:57.08 | koyote | http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/03/080325-antarctica-photo.html |
| 22:57.22 | Veggen | elb: there is no left ctrl. |
| 22:57.34 | Veggen | I mapped it to the menu key. |
| 22:57.36 | elb | ahh |
| 22:57.54 | Veggen | but I needed a ctrl to be there :) |
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| 22:59.21 | elb | huh, that says antarctica saw massive melt this year |
| 22:59.29 | elb | I wonder why that is |
| 22:59.44 | koyote | no idea |
| 22:59.54 | koyote | some gaseuous vertebrate |
| 22:59.57 | koyote | s divine will |
| 23:00.23 | elb | I mean in the context of the fact that this is an anomalously cold year worldwide |
| 23:00.40 | elb | one would have expected massive melt, say, *last* year |
| 23:00.58 | elb | although perhaps the southern summer is not as cold as the northern winter |
| 23:02.09 | elb | "global warming" may be a long-term answer, but it's a stupid rejoinder to short-term questions |
| 23:02.39 | koyote | not entirely |
| 23:03.04 | koyote | after all, when you ask a question likely to be answered by global warming, there's a problem with the question |
| 23:03.18 | koyote | so, why did the shelf collapse? that's not a good question. |
| 23:03.29 | koyote | it's 6 doctoral theses to adequately explain. |
| 23:03.53 | Paavo | the temperatures vary in funny ways. in finland this has been the warmest winter in recorded history |
| 23:04.24 | Paavo | in fact, there _was no winter_ according to the thermal definition |
| 23:04.29 | elb | yes, temperatures over history are almost entirely unpredictable |
| 23:05.15 | Veggen | Paavo: it's actually white and snowy on the ground outside here now. we have a mild coastal clima here on west cost of Norway... |
| 23:06.12 | elb | but nonetheless, I am wondering if the antarctic was freakishly warm this year |
| 23:06.13 | Paavo | and tomorrow it's going to be very white and very snowy here as well. something like 10-20 cm snowfall predicted for tomorrow |
| 23:06.29 | elb | the arctic was not, but I don't know of any reason why the poles should behave alike |
| 23:07.04 | Paavo | this is after seeing green grass and over +5 temperatures in february |
| 23:07.06 | koyote | see, one warm year isn't enough to lose hundreds of square miles of a continent like that |
| 23:07.14 | koyote | it's a lot more chaotic and complicated. |
| 23:07.50 | Paavo | http://outside.hut.fi/year.html <- compare this year with last year |
| 23:08.02 | elb | yes, but the *probability* of a massive collapse is going to be higher in a warm year than a cold year, all other things being equal |
| 23:08.31 | elb | but what I actually asked about was the local ice melt |
| 23:08.31 | elb | not the collapse itself |
| 23:09.25 | elb | floating ice melt will be much more directly related to air and water temperatures |
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| 23:09.36 | elb | Paavo: wow |
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| 23:12.53 | koyote | maybe i should move to finland |
| 23:13.09 | koyote | at this rate the sacramento valley is going to be deadly |
| 23:13.36 | Paavo | note february 2007 and the -18 C average over 24 hours. that meant that the night was a bit chilly. |
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| 23:14.34 | elb | koyote: you have a long way to go before that |
| 23:14.36 | koyote | much colder than the part of iceland i lived in, actually |
| 23:14.46 | elb | we're still several degrees away from the middle ages |
| 23:15.05 | elb | I probably wouldn't sell into this housing market on account of it ;-) |
| 23:15.15 | koyote | elb: oh, i dunno. we've had some pretty amazing heat streaks here. and the lower winter snowpack is really hurting us |
| 23:15.29 | koyote | we could dustbowl and go 45 all summer easily within 5 years |
| 23:16.15 | elb | dustbowl is more likely to be a vegetation destruction problem than a temperature problem, at this point |
| 23:16.22 | elb | (like the western plains) |
| 23:16.26 | koyote | not here. |
| 23:16.31 | koyote | no snowpack, no water. |
| 23:16.53 | koyote | as i said before, it's complicated. you can't two word sound byte this stuff |
| 23:17.03 | elb | was the sacramento valley a dustbowl in the middle ages? |
| 23:17.43 | koyote | no, but it had no heat retention due to several million people and it was completely forested |
| 23:17.57 | koyote | complicated. |
| 23:17.58 | elb | right, vegetation destruction |
| 23:18.05 | elb | I think I already said that ;-) |
| 23:18.15 | koyote | was the sahara BIGGER than it is now in the "middle ages"? no |
| 23:18.41 | koyote | but without the temperature problem, the sacramento valley has been fairly stable |
| 23:19.09 | koyote | we cut the forests down, yes, but not to pave them. we grow a signifigant portion of the world's food here. |
| 23:20.00 | KotCzarny | pf |
| 23:20.09 | elb | yes, that area of the country earned us the Asian name of "rice country" |
| 23:20.18 | KotCzarny | 90% of the population is going to die anyway |
| 23:20.22 | KotCzarny | according to nwo plans |
| 23:20.28 | KotCzarny | so it doesn't matter |
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| 23:22.58 | koyote | i have kids. it matters |
| 23:23.08 | KotCzarny | only for you |
| 23:23.22 | KotCzarny | 'single cell doesn't matter in an organism' |
| 23:24.19 | Paavo | oh well, death rate per capita is 1 anyway |
| 23:24.31 | koyote | i don't buy the gould/skinner crap. :) |
| 23:24.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:24.45 | koyote | we're gods. we should be treated and treat each other as such |
| 23:24.51 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 23:25.03 | KotCzarny | but there are few that are addicted to power |
| 23:25.07 | KotCzarny | and have plans for the rest |
| 23:25.08 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 23:30.14 | Kekerot | anyone know where i can get macchanger for os2008 |
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| 23:30.39 | koyote | macwho? |
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