| 00:00.09 | Zic | rm_you: where is it located, please ? I don't find it in maemo.org/maemo's repositories |
| 00:00.28 | rm_you | look on gronmayer |
| 00:00.34 | johnx | search for gpe on gronmayer.com/it |
| 00:00.44 | Zic | thanks |
| 00:01.08 | GeneralAntilles | or google. <_< |
| 00:02.53 | Zic | hmm |
| 00:03.09 | Zic | it seems that I haven't got Maemo Extra Repository -_-' |
| 00:03.20 | johnx | yup, probably just disabled :) |
| 00:03.30 | Zic | GeneralAntilles: yeah, my first solution, but redirect to maemo.org … |
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| 00:04.03 | Zic | johnx: yes, I've forgotten to reactivate it, sorry … |
| 00:04.09 | GeneralAntilles | 2nd link on google for "gpe os2008" gives me what you want. |
| 00:04.20 | johnx | no worries :) |
| 00:04.47 | johnx | good to see gpe stuff in extras |
| 00:04.57 | johnx | I didn't realize it got included yet... |
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| 00:05.30 | Zic | GeneralAntilles: « gpe pim os2008 » return many bad results, sorry, I didn't use correct key words |
| 00:14.37 | arezende | somebody has some knowledge on gtkembedmoz using hildon? |
| 00:21.53 | Zic | johnx: yeah, included, but not installable for the moment, it seems … |
| 00:22.13 | johnx | ah, that's unfortunate :/ |
| 00:22.20 | Zic | I will try more late |
| 00:22.36 | Zic | (it depends of libsoupe that it can't be installed) |
| 00:29.46 | rm_you | i got it to install earlier today |
| 00:29.48 | rm_you | gpe-calendar |
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| 01:05.51 | pupnik | lcuk have you looked into vsync yet? |
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| 01:23.13 | zeptardo | greetings :) |
| 01:23.33 | johnx | hello |
| 01:24.28 | zeptardo | would maemo run on an ipod touch? |
| 01:24.56 | johnx | nope |
| 01:24.59 | zeptardo | if so, can anyone direct me to a project site? |
| 01:25.27 | johnx | there are tons of reasons why it's pretty unfeasible, so it probably won't happen at all |
| 01:25.57 | magicrobotmonkey | how about webkit on maemo |
| 01:26.31 | johnx | magicrobotmonkey, I know a couple different projects have been attempting that from different angles |
| 01:26.41 | magicrobotmonkey | sweet |
| 01:26.58 | johnx | nothing that's really a "release" yet though, but I think it might actually get somewhere |
| 01:27.18 | magicrobotmonkey | i was just reading a post about some of the more interesting ui decicions apple made for safari on the iphone |
| 01:27.34 | magicrobotmonkey | which, i guess, you wouldnt really need webkit for |
| 01:27.38 | johnx | there seems to be continued interest webkit-gtk so that should pave the way for various gtk-based webkit browsers |
| 01:28.03 | magicrobotmonkey | yea, i know epiphany is already well on its way to a webkit backend |
| 01:28.14 | johnx | yeah, and midori looks nice as well |
| 01:29.03 | magicrobotmonkey | hmm interesting |
| 01:32.37 | pupnik | great nick, but long |
| 01:32.48 | pupnik | somewhat frightening |
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| 01:37.56 | magicrobotmonkey | heh, everyone's got tab-complete, right? |
| 01:38.21 | pupnik | sure |
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| 02:11.06 | Navi | magicrobotmonkey, tab competion is fer nubz, real men type out your ridiculously long name. |
| 02:11.37 | magicrobotmonkey | heh its been mine for long enough now that it flows like water from my fingertips |
| 02:12.33 | pupnik | Tak: around? |
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| 02:15.31 | Navi | pah |
| 02:15.39 | Navi | maemo.org goin' too slow for mah tastes. |
| 02:16.42 | Navi | and it's ridiculously hot in my room |
| 02:16.48 | Navi | 80 degrees F outside |
| 02:17.00 | Navi | I'm going to turn of the PC for a while >_> |
| 02:17.08 | Navi | johnx, cold? |
| 02:17.15 | magicrobotmonkey | heh |
| 02:17.30 | johnx | not bad now , but it was really cold this morning, just like it will be tonight |
| 02:17.30 | Navi | I was wearing a heavy jacket expecting 30 degree weather like it was yesterday |
| 02:17.36 | magicrobotmonkey | we've had 100+ inches of snow this winter |
| 02:17.57 | Navi | Hot as hell |
| 02:18.38 | johnx | that is some pretty crazy weather you've got |
| 02:18.47 | Navi | Yeah, it is. |
| 02:19.09 | Navi | That's Texas weather for you :P |
| 02:20.29 | Navi | I can't wait until I replace this box with something lighter and cooler |
| 02:20.56 | johnx | I wish my computer produced more heat :| |
| 02:21.15 | Navi | My room is hotter than it is outside at the moment, want to trade? |
| 02:21.40 | johnx | done |
| 02:21.49 | magicrobotmonkey | i'm huddled in front of a woodstove, if that makes you feel any better |
| 02:21.49 | Navi | awesome |
| 02:22.02 | Navi | magicrobotmonkey, toast some marshmellows |
| 02:22.27 | johnx | ...and dcc them to us |
| 02:22.32 | Navi | XD |
| 02:22.34 | Navi | lol |
| 02:22.35 | magicrobotmonkey | heh |
| 02:22.39 | Navi | Nerd humor ftw |
| 02:22.47 | johnx | :D |
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| 02:30.05 | pupnik | anybody know how to turn off vi's auto-indenting for when i paste code from somewhere else? |
| 02:31.00 | pupnik | ahh google |
| 02:31.14 | Navi | :set noautoindent |
| 02:31.16 | pupnik | ~"hello google my old friend~ |
| 02:31.26 | pupnik | ~"i've come to talk with you again" |
| 02:31.27 | Navi | heh |
| 02:31.40 | truls | pupnik: set paste |
| 02:32.06 | Navi | Aw |
| 02:32.16 | pupnik | thanks, and set nopaste to return |
| 02:32.24 | truls | yep |
| 02:32.27 | Navi | NuvoPearl has the best font/colors, but also is incredibly ugly |
| 02:32.43 | truls | it's also possible to do that after the initial paste, but that requires some forgotten vi-magic |
| 02:33.06 | truls | it's always _after_ pasting you remember you need 'set paste' :) |
| 02:34.07 | Navi | yeah |
| 02:34.12 | Navi | thank god for undo :P |
| 02:38.48 | pupnik | hmm when i paste from another sb vi, i get |
| 02:38.55 | pupnik | >---framesRendered++; |
| 02:39.03 | pupnik | >--- in front of everything |
| 02:39.29 | truls | even with set paste? |
| 02:40.03 | pupnik | yes it is translating the blue >--- markers (some special tab indicator?) to actual >--- characters |
| 02:40.20 | pupnik | so maybe i need to turn off the festure that shows those indents |
| 02:41.51 | pupnik | or maybe i'll try navi's noautoindent next time |
| 02:42.36 | truls | ofcourse if you mark the >--- markers, it will also copy that |
| 02:42.49 | truls | it's part of the text in the terminal, right? |
| 02:43.02 | pupnik | scratchbox vi adds them |
| 02:43.09 | truls | how would the terminal know what part of the text is the application and what is your text |
| 02:43.12 | truls | yes |
| 02:43.16 | truls | the source vi, right? |
| 02:43.22 | truls | not the paste target vi |
| 02:43.26 | pupnik | yes |
| 02:44.13 | derf | :set nolist |
| 02:44.28 | pupnik | thank youuu |
| 02:44.44 | truls | ah, that's what you wanted to know :) |
| 02:45.06 | truls | i thought you explicitly set list earlier, so you wanted it to be like that, but still ignore it when copying |
| 02:50.50 | rm_you | http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/25/nokias-nanotech-morph-goes-on-display-signals-melting-devices/ |
| 02:50.50 | rm_you | >_> |
| 02:51.08 | rm_you | seven years?! |
| 02:52.22 | johnx | in this post apocalyptic future all the UI designers have been killed off... |
| 02:52.42 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 02:52.54 | GeneralAntilles | Can't it be the lawyers and UI spec makers instead? :( |
| 02:53.35 | johnx | or the phone sanitizers? :) |
| 02:55.30 | lcuk | rm_you |
| 02:56.34 | lcuk | pupnik, not on this device, whats your boggle with vsync |
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| 03:01.05 | rm_you | ? |
| 03:01.10 | rm_you | lcuk: ^_^ |
| 03:01.18 | pupnik | lcuk: eventually i will need to deal with vsync from my sdl app |
| 03:01.42 | pupnik | getting 58.7 fps and tearing at the moment |
| 03:01.44 | lcuk | doesnt tearsync handle it |
| 03:01.59 | pupnik | dunno i'll google that |
| 03:03.27 | pupnik | cool. i have a zen-like square that changes color |
| 03:03.31 | lcuk | i know its in omap, but not sure about sdl - ive got first base test up now. i can get full res font rendering at between 10-15 fps, ive just got the sdl-ttf lib in and am trying to hammer it into place to see if the quality of my homemade bitmap font is any good |
| 03:04.03 | pupnik | cool |
| 03:04.13 | lcuk | book reading *will* be better for flat books :) |
| 03:04.32 | lcuk | hope i dont lose much when i move to an rgb surface |
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| 03:05.08 | pupnik | that's plenty imo |
| 03:05.12 | lcuk | theres a really nice sweet spot speed wise using the XV rendering at 480*480 |
| 03:05.38 | lcuk | its like the old amiga resolutions - kind of a halfway house |
| 03:06.56 | lcuk | im hoping to get the same adaptability with sdl to let the user choose speed over detail, or have a high detailed static screen transforming automatically into a lower res mobile screen - it may be tough tho because usually the screen flickers when changing res |
| 03:07.54 | lcuk | ahhh rm_you, before i forget, i took a look at your code and noticed something glaring to me, but might be totally right for gtk |
| 03:08.02 | rm_you | k |
| 03:08.20 | lcuk | everytime you change the icon, you call the following: |
| 03:08.20 | lcuk | gtk_button_set_image(GTK_BUTTON (button), gtk_image_new_from_file(newfile)); |
| 03:08.28 | lcuk | what happens to the original image memory? |
| 03:08.35 | rm_you | erk? |
| 03:08.37 | lcuk | ie, the image you assigned before |
| 03:08.51 | rm_you | not sure how to deal with that |
| 03:09.14 | rm_you | i guess i could like.... create the image, set it, and then delete it |
| 03:09.17 | rm_you | maybe |
| 03:09.17 | lcuk | you should maybe hold a variable with the latest image on, then when you replace it, call gfree or whatever is needed |
| 03:09.56 | lcuk | imgnew = gtk_image_new_from_file(newfile); gtk_button_set_image(GTK_BUTTON (button), gtk_image_new_from_file(newfile)); gfree(oldimg); oldimg=newimg; |
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| 03:10.17 | rm_you | i will change it to that just to be safe |
| 03:10.20 | lcuk | (i dont know the specifics, but just reading the code made it stand out |
| 03:10.29 | solo | alright |
| 03:10.37 | lcuk | onthing else is run as often for a leak to matter |
| 03:10.52 | rm_you | yeah |
| 03:10.55 | solo | I have a small 7inch touch screen and I want to run maemo as the main gui |
| 03:10.55 | lcuk | ie, if you leak in init or destroy code its not gonna matter |
| 03:10.59 | solo | possible? |
| 03:13.02 | lcuk | i was just saying to the missus the other day, this is the first time in years that i have been coding entirely new stuff |
| 03:13.04 | johnx | solo, maemo seems to mostly target 800x480 screens and not all the applications you see on the N8x0 are open source |
| 03:13.10 | lcuk | i havent felt like this since my amiga days |
| 03:13.44 | johnx | other than that, there are debian packages which are enough to get you a basic desktop |
| 03:13.56 | rm_you | johnx: 2 days till debian |
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| 03:14.40 | derf | The button adds the image as a child, and when doing so sinks its floating reference. |
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| 03:14.52 | rm_you | ? |
| 03:15.02 | dospod | ? |
| 03:15.02 | derf | If you replace it, it removes the old child, releasing the floating reference, and freeing the widget. |
| 03:15.08 | rm_you | sooo |
| 03:15.12 | rm_you | is it fine as it is then? |
| 03:15.13 | derf | It's not a memory leak. |
| 03:15.31 | rm_you | want to look at the rest of the code briefly? :P |
| 03:15.46 | derf | No, not really. |
| 03:15.53 | rm_you | lolk |
| 03:15.56 | derf | It's time to go home. |
| 03:16.00 | rm_you | thanks tho :P |
| 03:20.21 | pupnik | cheers derf |
| 03:20.33 | pupnik | Killvideo rendered: 2207 emulated 2207 |
| 03:20.34 | pupnik | FPS: 66.60 |
| 03:20.36 | pupnik | mwaahaahahaha |
| 03:21.32 | dospod | ... stella :] |
| 03:21.51 | pupnik | nah i don't have time for that atm |
| 03:22.28 | pupnik | now i have to redo the whole video rendering subsystem. atm i'm just drawing a 320x240 color every frame |
| 03:23.40 | dospod | pupnik wat r u working on? |
| 03:23.48 | pupnik | fceu |
| 03:24.03 | johnx | wait...that's fceu rendering at 60+fps ? |
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| 03:24.19 | pupnik | emulating at 60 fps yes |
| 03:24.38 | johnx | still, that's a massive improvement, right? |
| 03:24.44 | pupnik | heyuuge |
| 03:24.52 | johnx | I assume this has something to do with your struggle with the gp2x code? |
| 03:24.57 | pupnik | yes :) |
| 03:25.02 | johnx | very awesome |
| 03:25.54 | truls | woo |
| 03:26.22 | truls | kid icarus will ride again |
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| 03:27.04 | dospod | :] yea improvement |
| 03:27.15 | pupnik | johnx: i couldn't get the regular fceu to run without sound dropouts without tweaking settings for every game |
| 03:27.25 | pupnik | and then i was getting these intermittent pauses |
| 03:27.36 | johnx | yeah, I was too |
| 03:27.59 | lcuk | i get them, its either the os being busy, or the os clocking down |
| 03:28.25 | johnx | ah |
| 03:28.35 | johnx | that would make sense |
| 03:28.45 | pupnik | no that's an incorrect assumption |
| 03:28.54 | lcuk | some runtests it judders for seconds at a time, others its smooth as a bell, same exe |
| 03:29.07 | pupnik | the pauses are within fceu itself - the frameskip code |
| 03:29.19 | pupnik | oh you've got a different version lcuk |
| 03:29.43 | lcuk | ive got a different everything, im talking running progs in general |
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| 03:41.39 | dospod | sooo |
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| 03:45.03 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 03:46.09 | dospod | no.? |
| 03:46.19 | johnx | well, you might be able to... |
| 03:50.06 | dospod | ?? |
| 03:51.22 | johnx | well, it sounded like you were about to ask a question ("sooo") and we decided to answer it for you. :) |
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| 03:56.02 | dospod | i was trying to break the silence |
| 03:57.01 | GeneralAntilles | Interrupting an idling session is highly irregular. :P |
| 03:57.27 | dospod | who said i was normal ;] |
| 03:59.19 | dospod | c'mn im 15 and i like atari and kanye |
| 04:00.13 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 04:00.16 | GeneralAntilles | Kanye West makes me laugh. |
| 04:00.31 | GeneralAntilles | I like his music, but he's absolutely off his rocker otherwise. |
| 04:01.43 | dospod | yea he has a mmajor ego problems |
| 04:01.53 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 04:01.59 | GeneralAntilles | Absolutely out of his damn mind. |
| 04:02.13 | dospod | but i likke stronger, introduced me too a badass band |
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| 04:04.24 | dospod | i like daft punk's new cd alive |
| 04:07.15 | truls | woo, new cd? |
| 04:07.35 | truls | hm, reminds i need to find the new shiina ringo |
| 04:08.09 | dospod | alive , but its like a classic hits mix |
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| 04:09.50 | dospod | robot rock is pretty badass |
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| 04:59.52 | ds3 | any word on when the real version of gvm will be out? |
| 05:01.42 | GeneralAntilles | When it's ready, I'd guess. |
| 05:04.17 | johnx | has Palm even said whether they're really working towards a release? or what their long term plans or? or pricing? or anything...? |
| 05:04.33 | johnx | er...not palm, but whoever is doing this... |
| 05:13.15 | GeneralAntilles | Not that I've seen, johnx. |
| 05:13.44 | GeneralAntilles | Be nice if we could get pixel doubling for the Garnet VM |
| 05:14.46 | johnx | it would be nice if they don't just discontinue it and leave people in the lurch...but I really don't see where they're going with this... |
| 05:15.07 | johnx | I mean, I'm trying to play "follow the money" here, but I just don't see it... |
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| 05:15.31 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 05:15.52 | GeneralAntilles | What else does ACCESS do? |
| 05:16.24 | johnx | they're doing a Linux based OS for handhelds I think |
| 05:16.41 | GeneralAntilles | NetFront, too. |
| 05:17.02 | johnx | maybe they plan to implemement a compatibility layer for maemo or ... maybe they're just using tablet users as a beta environment to test compatibility |
| 05:22.37 | GeneralAntilles | You're the third person that's said that to me today. |
| 05:22.53 | johnx | other people have said that I'm naturally pessimistic? |
| 05:22.56 | johnx | :P |
| 05:23.04 | GeneralAntilles | It's creeping me out. |
| 05:23.16 | GeneralAntilles | Is today The Cynic's National Holiday or something? |
| 05:23.32 | johnx | maybe you're just missing out on the trend |
| 05:23.40 | johnx | why not become pessimistic like us! |
| 05:23.56 | johnx | s/!/?/g |
| 05:27.41 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, I am. |
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| 05:31.17 | Ar-ras | hi |
| 05:31.23 | johnx | hello |
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| 05:39.59 | pupnik | Killvideo rendered: 2976 emulated 2976 |
| 05:40.01 | pupnik | FPS: 97.67 |
| 05:40.05 | pupnik | 0_o |
| 05:44.02 | johnx | so...maybe you don't really need to run the CPU at full speed? |
| 05:44.19 | pupnik | i have some nice abstract art on screen now |
| 05:44.23 | pupnik | i guess that's progress |
| 05:44.29 | GeneralAntilles | Hah |
| 05:44.38 | johnx | a frame limiter would do wonders for battery life I'm sure |
| 05:49.57 | pupnik | i'm just constantly confused here |
| 05:50.04 | pupnik | brain too small |
| 05:50.27 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik needs his spinach. |
| 05:52.49 | pupnik | Trying to do this: "Copy contents of XBuf over to video memory(or whatever needs to be done to make the contents of XBuf visible on screen). Each line is 256 pixels(and bytes) in width, and there can be 240 lines. The pitch for each line is 272 bytes." |
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| 06:57.49 | pupnik | woohoo i can recognize shapes! |
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| 07:05.50 | oilinki | do we have kismet available for n810? |
| 07:07.58 | johnx | yes, thought you have to do a little work to make it actually behave (the nokia wireless stuff interferes with it I think) |
| 07:08.06 | johnx | s/thought/though/g |
| 07:09.18 | oilinki | johnx: I noticed there was an mistral repo with kismet. is this the place to download it? |
| 07:09.31 | oilinki | and how much work are we talking about ? :) |
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| 07:12.49 | johnx | I heard about it on internettablettalk.com/forums but now I can't find the thread |
| 07:13.06 | johnx | I haven't tried it in maemo, but it worked well when booted into debian |
| 07:14.39 | johnx | captured a couple thousand packets over ~40 minutes with no problem, so the hardware and the drivers aren't a problem, just other things trying to control the state of the wireless card |
| 07:15.07 | johnx | chipset, not card...but you get the idea |
| 07:16.06 | rm_you | johnx: how goes the debian audio struggle? |
| 07:16.17 | rm_you | johnx: my raid just about died again >_< |
| 07:16.28 | rm_you | every time this machine reboots, i have to manually put it back together and fsck it |
| 07:16.52 | rm_you | also every time this machine reboots, it only gets past initramfs 1/4th of the time |
| 07:16.54 | rm_you | >_< |
| 07:16.59 | rm_you | i miss a working server |
| 07:20.29 | johnx | rm_you, that doesn't sound too good |
| 07:20.36 | johnx | is this ubuntu? |
| 07:20.45 | johnx | cause they do a lot of strange things to the kernel |
| 07:21.05 | rm_you | debian >_> |
| 07:21.10 | johnx | ah O_o |
| 07:21.11 | rm_you | ubuntu wouldnt even load my raid |
| 07:21.19 | johnx | well...that's awesome |
| 07:21.24 | rm_you | and its not like i have the OS on it... |
| 07:21.27 | johnx | put together a vanilla kernel |
| 07:21.33 | rm_you | the OS is installed on a standalone drive, sda1 >_> |
| 07:21.51 | rm_you | it just refuses to behave |
| 07:21.59 | johnx | vanilla kernel with not initramfs and just the drivers you need |
| 07:22.09 | johnx | s/with not/without/g |
| 07:22.26 | rm_you | the sad part is, the raid stuff works fine in the ubuntu livecd... then i install... and it will either: A) not properly form the raid, or B) kernel panic |
| 07:22.59 | johnx | look, try a vanilla kernel |
| 07:23.05 | johnx | (I need to as well) |
| 07:23.18 | johnx | I'm still having irq issues |
| 07:25.48 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds like fun. |
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| 07:42.45 | rm_you | >_> |
| 07:42.59 | rm_you | Kernel panic - not syncing: CPU context corrupt |
| 07:43.01 | rm_you | >_< |
| 07:43.19 | rm_you | just started happening today |
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| 07:44.02 | rm_you | why can't my stuff just WORK >_< |
| 07:45.19 | Stskeeps | rm_you: satan's law: anything you do will fail until you give me your soul |
| 07:45.19 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:45.28 | rm_you | ack |
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| 07:46.20 | rm_you | apparently it is caused by an MCE failure |
| 07:46.28 | rm_you | which usually happens when the CPU or memory is overheating! |
| 07:46.31 | rm_you | >_> but it isn't |
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| 07:47.23 | rm_you | cputemp: 34C |
| 07:48.40 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 07:48.43 | GeneralAntilles | Technology hates rm_you. |
| 07:49.02 | rm_you | >_< |
| 07:49.13 | rm_you | and my windows machine (this one) is starting to run SLOOOOOOOOW |
| 07:49.24 | rm_you | ... with a dualcore X2 and 2g of ram, and an 8800GT |
| 07:51.00 | wwp | people w/ such hardware should not complain! |
| 07:51.32 | rm_you | ... |
| 07:51.50 | rm_you | it takes 2+ *MINUTES* to open notepad |
| 07:51.53 | rm_you | >_< |
| 07:52.10 | rm_you | and if i click anything in the system tray, it crashes explorer. |
| 07:52.13 | rm_you | so bleh |
| 07:52.40 | rm_you | i'm going to go cry myself to sleep. see you guys tomorrow >_> |
| 07:53.22 | jku | good day, huh? |
| 07:53.27 | johnx | 'night rm_you |
| 07:53.41 | johnx | better luck tomorrow... |
| 07:54.29 | johnx | rm_you, you really have terrifyingly bad luck with tech... |
| 07:55.09 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, this is not a new thing for rm_you. He's basically cursed to only be able to help other people get their systems working...but never his own |
| 07:55.46 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe it's him? :P |
| 07:56.27 | johnx | or some type of aura or an ancient voodoo curse |
| 07:56.33 | johnx | who knows? |
| 07:56.58 | johnx | ask him about his zaurus 5500, or how his last CRT died |
| 07:57.48 | hrw | morning |
| 07:57.53 | johnx | mornin' |
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| 08:49.37 | pupnik | i need a harem of c hackers :( |
| 08:53.51 | pupnik | damn zelda theme song... |
| 08:56.44 | hrw | BTobotras: there are many strange deviations... |
| 08:56.51 | BTobotras | hrw: indeed |
| 08:58.48 | pupnik | do either of you want to fix up some problems with an emulator for me? |
| 08:59.03 | pupnik | Killvideo rendered: 5544 emulated 5544 |
| 08:59.04 | pupnik | FPS: 110.68 |
| 08:59.06 | pupnik | mwahahahaha |
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| 09:08.53 | johnx | heh...you could probably run at 160MHz and still get 30fps |
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| 09:12.58 | pupnik | on gp2x they get 60fps @ 150mhz |
| 09:13.13 | pupnik | we will be a bit slower due to memory and framebuffer non-optimization |
| 09:14.20 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 09:32.23 | lcdd | huh, os2008 doesn't ship with netcat |
| 09:33.12 | maddler | morning all |
| 09:35.24 | GeneralAntilles | OS2008 doesn't ship with a lot of things. |
| 09:35.27 | GeneralAntilles | Space IS an issue. |
| 09:37.02 | lcdd | you could fit a crapload of network utils into one megabyte |
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| 09:39.02 | _collin_ | anybody noticed that the maemo-launcher is eating memory? |
| 09:39.37 | _collin_ | I had my n810 running for a few days and had to reboot yesterday because maemo-launcher was aat 60% memory |
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| 09:45.18 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
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| 09:51.58 | florian | good morning |
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| 10:08.57 | pupnik | huhu |
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| 10:12.26 | maddler | pupnik: heya, dude |
| 10:15.44 | pupnik | <pee wee herman> What does it mean??? I DON'T KNOW!</pwh> |
| 10:15.47 | pupnik | hiya maddler |
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| 10:40.31 | hrw | lcdd: but maemo is not made for network analyzers but for users |
| 10:40.31 | hrw | lcdd: plain minds |
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| 10:43.41 | Lynoure | would not call most users plain minds... the less plain just find a way to get the software they want on the tablet :) |
| 10:44.40 | hrw | Lynoure: each time when I do something on tablets I feel that it was for plain minds |
| 10:45.19 | hrw | lot of 'are you really sure' type of messages, 'this package is not from nokia' in appmanager, lack of software in default repositories etc |
| 10:45.39 | johnx | I think that's just a big corporation at work |
| 10:45.46 | johnx | covering their collective asses |
| 10:46.24 | Lynoure | hrw: out of those two is explained by Nokia not wanting to be responsible for stuff packaged by other people.. |
| 10:46.35 | lcdd | the confirmation dialogs are getting on my nerves as well. especially when switching wifi on and off |
| 10:46.54 | Lynoure | lcdd: yes, that on is getting to me as well. |
| 10:48.33 | hrw | anyway I skip using appmanager |
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| 10:54.49 | johnx | yeah, about 80% of the confirmation dialogs need to be removed |
| 10:55.29 | johnx | the way firefox does things (warn the first time and offer an option to warn everytime) seems reasonable though, as well |
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| 11:01.37 | Spakman_ | johnx: totally agree about the confirmation dialogs |
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| 11:07.50 | pupnik | Are you sure you agree about the confirmation dialogs? [Y/N] |
| 11:09.33 | Spakman_ | lol |
| 11:10.23 | johnx | "Do you want the OS to treat you like a child and hold your hand so you don't get lost? y/n" |
| 11:10.36 | johnx | and if you answer y it just keeps all the annoying confirmation dialogs :) |
| 11:14.37 | truls | while (luser) { luser = confirm("Do you wish to see these dialogs? y/n"); } |
| 11:15.29 | johnx | "Warning, failure to see these dialogs may cause the lawyers at Nokia to lose sleep. Proceed?" |
| 11:18.12 | Fang64_ | lol |
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| 11:32.48 | Mikho | hello. Would someone know about a bluetooth RFID reader I could use with Nokia 810? |
| 11:33.59 | Mikho | If anyone has used one, I'd like to hear about the experiences |
| 11:34.17 | johnx | Probably none will work out of the box, but probably any one that can be made to work with Linux can also be made to work with the N8x0 |
| 11:34.22 | johnx | have you used one with Linux? |
| 11:35.11 | Mikho | I haven't used any commercial bt rfid reader yet |
| 11:35.28 | johnx | hmm...I wonder how they appear to the OS |
| 11:35.33 | Mikho | but we're thinking about using one in a project |
| 11:36.18 | johnx | I know that some of the barcode readers back in the day just showed up as a keyboard and therefore didn't really need separate drivers |
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| 11:36.48 | jku | johnx, that sounds like a stupid idea though |
| 11:37.02 | johnx | the barcode thing? |
| 11:37.06 | johnx | why? |
| 11:37.14 | jku | shoing up as a keyboard |
| 11:37.27 | jku | showing, even |
| 11:37.37 | johnx | made interfacing to it absolutely fool proof |
| 11:37.44 | johnx | it was harder to *not* have it work |
| 11:37.52 | jku | :) |
| 11:39.07 | Mikho | I don't have much experience working with bluetooth yet |
| 11:39.07 | johnx | ah, the cuecat did it that way |
| 11:39.21 | Mikho | I wonder how well it works in N8x0 |
| 11:39.25 | johnx | jku, it just hooked inline with the keyboard |
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| 11:40.20 | johnx | Mikho, can you link me to a product page for one of the bluetooth rfid readers you were considering |
| 11:40.21 | johnx | ? |
| 11:40.40 | Mikho | I found this: http://www.baracoda.com/baracoda/products/p_21.html |
| 11:40.52 | Mikho | but it looks like it'd want windows |
| 11:41.06 | Mikho | I wonder if it's possible to make it work anyway |
| 11:44.10 | johnx | my initial thought would be that there is probably a way to make it work...but then again, I'm not the one buying it |
| 11:45.20 | Mikho | It's important that the end user wouldn't need to do hours of configuring in order to make it work |
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| 11:46.04 | johnx | well...if you shipped them the tablet *and* the reader or created a .deb package with the necessary configuration changes |
| 11:46.18 | johnx | it shouldn't be a problem...but this is all hypothetical at this point |
| 11:47.14 | Spakman_ | I'm hitting a problem using libosso (ruby-maemo) and multiple threads - anyone know much about this stuff? |
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| 11:48.04 | Mikho | I wonder if .debs can install device drivers and stuff |
| 11:48.10 | johnx | yes |
| 11:48.35 | johnx | they can install anything and you can use a "postinst" (post install) script to do any necessary setup |
| 11:48.38 | Mikho | It would also be nice if the user could use *any* bt rfid reader |
| 11:48.49 | Mikho | ok, that's good |
| 11:49.08 | johnx | hmm...I've googled but I'm really not seeing much about Linux and bluetooth rfid readers |
| 11:49.42 | johnx | that's what you need to find out about, if Linux supports them at all. |
| 11:49.43 | Mikho | Why does the rfid reader care about the operating system in the other end? |
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| 11:50.31 | Mikho | shouldn't it be enough that both devices support bluetooth? |
| 11:51.07 | johnx | well, you can transmit any format of data you want over bluetooth |
| 11:51.32 | johnx | if two devices are bluetooth it then opens up the possibility for them to speak to each other with higher level protocols |
| 11:51.56 | Mikho | I see |
| 11:52.41 | Mikho | then, why would I have to explicitly look for linux bluetooth rfid readers? |
| 11:53.16 | Mikho | Maybe I should check the newest maemo documentation if there's something about bt there |
| 11:53.40 | Zero_Dogg | as long as you've got software that can communicate with it you should be ok I think |
| 11:54.15 | Mikho | ok |
| 11:54.38 | Mikho | Of course, I shouldn't expect every bt rfid reader to send the same kind of data |
| 11:55.43 | Zero_Dogg | no, therein lies your problem I think. They probably don't send any standardized data, and I doubt they come with the source for a linux program you can port. So it's either reverse-engineering the data, or googling for something that already works |
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| 11:55.57 | johnx | sorry if I was unclear...I didn't know if you expected it to work "out of the box" without having to write some software that interprets the data |
| 11:56.25 | Mikho | Oh... we're planning new software here :) |
| 11:56.37 | johnx | you can almost certainly get data out of them but you might need to know how the rfid reader encodes that data... |
| 11:56.52 | Mikho | the one in the link I posted would be nice as it'd double as a stylus too |
| 11:57.05 | johnx | so does a sharp stick :) |
| 11:57.25 | Mikho | We had some problems before as the user would need 3 hands to hold the tablet, the stylus and the reader |
| 11:57.39 | johnx | ah...that's a good point actually |
| 11:58.15 | johnx | I could see how elective surgery to add extra limbs could be costly... |
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| 12:07.56 | johnx | It really will depend on if the reader hands off the data in some strange format that or something that complies with standards |
| 12:08.19 | Mikho | I need to find that out |
| 12:08.41 | Mikho | gahh, can't find anything on the company website |
| 12:08.42 | johnx | here's some info on librfid (an rfid stack for linux): http://openmrtd.org/projects/librfid/index.html |
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| 12:10.28 | Mikho | hmm |
| 12:11.39 | Mikho | I wonder if there's any other way than bt to connect to the reader |
| 12:11.43 | Mikho | there's the usb port, but... |
| 12:11.55 | johnx | that gets clunky pretty fast |
| 12:12.08 | johnx | you'd have to have the stand open all the time |
| 12:12.45 | Mikho | yes |
| 12:12.55 | johnx | if you can find one that attaches through a serial port you could use a serial over bluetooth adapter I guess, but again: clunky |
| 12:13.12 | Mikho | bt would be so nice |
| 12:13.43 | johnx | You should just send an email to the sales people at that company that makes the pen based reader. Tell them you plan to order lots and it depends on them getting you some information you need. They should be plenty motivated |
| 12:14.19 | Mikho | haha |
| 12:15.08 | johnx | really, try it. be vague about the numbers if you need to, but just make it sound nice and professional. :) |
| 12:16.11 | johnx | much better to talk to sales before you buy it than support afterwards. Sales is much more motivated to solve your problems |
| 12:16.37 | Mikho | I'll try to remember that :) |
| 12:17.20 | Mikho | Well, aren't the used car dealers a lot more nice *before* you buy the car |
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| 12:18.04 | johnx | You just need to know exactly what to ask them. |
| 12:18.18 | Mikho | ah, found another, better website |
| 12:18.33 | Mikho | that has actual technical specifications |
| 12:18.36 | johnx | nice |
| 12:18.59 | Mikho | but their faq page gives a server exception :/ |
| 12:19.09 | Mikho | *server error |
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| 12:19.28 | johnx | classy. They must really know their stuff. :P |
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| 12:23.33 | johnx | hmm...If I were a betting man, I would bet that the bluetooth rfid reader pen used serial-over-bluetooth |
| 12:25.20 | johnx | in which case rfdump would work just fine |
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| 12:28.40 | johnx | hmm...looks like the popular interface is through compactflash |
| 12:30.10 | johnx | a zaurus 6000L would be an ideal host for such a thing, but I think they've been discontinued for a while now |
| 12:30.46 | johnx | I assume that the N810's wifi is an important part of your project? |
| 12:31.44 | Mikho | yes |
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| 12:32.53 | Mikho | hmm, are there wlan-rfid readers? |
| 12:33.10 | johnx | somehow I doubt it |
| 12:33.39 | Mikho | then, what's the difference between rfid tags and nfc tags? |
| 12:33.54 | johnx | I have never heard of nfc tags |
| 12:34.29 | Mikho | on this website there are separate categories for the two |
| 12:35.12 | johnx | it's an extension of rfid (which is ISO 14443), according to wkipedia |
| 12:35.33 | Mikho | oh, nfc is about communications over a centimetre or so distance |
| 12:35.49 | Mikho | *decimetre |
| 12:36.41 | johnx | the people at rfdump.org are willing to add support for any rfid reader if you pay them :) |
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| 12:37.53 | pupnik | Bug: No international keymapping for N810 libSDL? |
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| 12:39.07 | johnx | anyways, I need to get some sleep |
| 12:39.14 | johnx | good luck with your project Mikho |
| 12:39.18 | pupnik | cheers johnx |
| 12:39.29 | johnx | 'night pupnik |
| 12:39.51 | Mikho | thanks |
| 12:39.57 | Mikho | good night |
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| 12:46.48 | K-Fox | i have sony DS970 headset but my bluetooth music is out to lose contact with n800 |
| 12:47.00 | K-Fox | i dont know the reason |
| 12:47.21 | K-Fox | on kagu player |
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| 12:55.02 | pupnik | is it possible to broadcast a2dp music? |
| 12:55.41 | pupnik | so i could set up a little streaming 'radio station' and people with bluetooth devices nearby could 'discover' my stream and listen-in? |
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| 12:58.46 | K-Fox | pupnik: my bluetooth is often cut a music on kagu player |
| 12:59.02 | K-Fox | i want a cool music |
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| 13:04.54 | pupnik | good luck |
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| 13:18.00 | Mikho | right, the reader I linked earlier actually has a price tag of 600e or so |
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| 13:20.58 | K-Fox | where is a2dp-support package ? |
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| 13:41.42 | |tbb| | hi all |
| 13:42.51 | |tbb| | anyone knows how to mount another box (with n8x0) filesystem via ssh like sshfs does it on ubuntu for example |
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| 13:44.08 | hrw | |tbb|: you need fuse modules and fuse utils |
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| 13:47.45 | |tbb| | gronmayer tells maemofuse-sshfs is there but only for os06, do you know if that work for chinook? |
| 13:48.58 | hrw | will not |
| 13:50.29 | |tbb| | so fuse tools not available right now for chinook ? |
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| 13:54.25 | hrw | no idea |
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| 13:54.40 | hrw | one day I will build them for my own use |
| 13:54.59 | fysa | nfs/smb |
| 13:55.12 | |tbb| | why wont share that ? |
| 13:55.24 | hrw | fysa: my web hosting does not provide nfs or smb - only ssh and ftp |
| 13:55.51 | hrw | |tbb|: first need to build, then to test |
| 13:55.53 | fysa | ah, yes, that's an ugly situation. |
| 13:55.55 | |tbb| | my networkstorage should not support anything else but ssh ;) |
| 13:56.18 | fysa | you can use fish:// from KDE |
| 13:56.19 | hrw | and maemo already is full of repos with nothing and conflicting deps |
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| 13:59.26 | magicrobotmonkey | yea in looking forward to getting fuse running on my n810 as well |
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| 14:00.27 | magicrobotmonkey | yea |
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| 14:02.50 | fysa | KDE on tablet = fish:// and ftp:// via konqueror |
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| 14:05.45 | |tbb| | ah, there you go. i was talking about native os |
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| 14:14.05 | hrw | hildon-control-panel require lot of gnome libs.... |
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| 14:46.25 | hrw | uf.. finally built ukeyboard in OE |
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| 14:55.16 | hrw | ~blame maemo devs for not using DESTDIR in 'install' part |
| 14:55.17 | infobot | ACTION blames slomo_ and perhaps maemo devs for not using DESTDIR in 'install' part and all the evil in the world |
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| 15:16.54 | pupnik | http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/gcc/optimize-options.html gcc optimize options |
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| 15:24.20 | Khertan | Hi |
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| 15:26.46 | hrw | pupnik: I prefer gcc doc official |
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| 15:29.01 | BTobotras | hrw: red hat is pretty close to being official :) |
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| 15:57.06 | Khertan | Someone know where i can change my keys on garage.maemo.org about extras repository ? |
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| 16:04.03 | Spakman_ | alterego: I'm having a strange problem with my ruby libosso callback. It works fine unless I have my long running (it usually runs all the time) thread which performs some SQLite3 work and then sleeps. If I have this, I get some strange segfaults with errors like "undefined method "call" for [somethinghere:sqlite_3..: String". Although |
| 16:04.07 | Khertan | GRRRRRR DEBIAN REPO SUCKKKKKKSSSSS !!!!! |
| 16:04.29 | hrw | Khertan: Debian or rather maemo repo? |
| 16:04.31 | jumpula | can you be more specific? :) |
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| 16:04.45 | alterego | Spakman_, that does sound odd. |
| 16:04.58 | hrw | I can agree that maemo repo suxx. but not that debian repo suxx |
| 16:05.01 | Spakman_ | alterego: although, the errors is just as often something: "...'call' for 1: String" or "... 'call' for [xxx,sqlite3]:Array" |
| 16:05.07 | Khertan | hrw > debian tool to make repo ... and maemo to just accept rsa signed file ! |
| 16:05.21 | Spakman_ | Occasionally, with the thread running, the callback will work. |
| 16:05.24 | hrw | Khertan: thats other story |
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| 16:05.38 | Spakman_ | Works every time without the thread. |
| 16:05.40 | alterego | Well, that could mean there's a) A problem with my callback code, or, B) Ruby is playing silly buggers. |
| 16:05.51 | hrw | Khertan: you can always go maemo way and create yet-another-maemo-repository-with-duplicates |
| 16:05.59 | alterego | Hmm, |
| 16:06.07 | hrw | ;D |
| 16:06.09 | alterego | Well, I'll have a look into it, Threads and callbacks. |
| 16:06.20 | Khertan | i ve modify PyPackager to be able to upload package to maemo extras ... but rsa algo isn't available on the tablet with gnupg |
| 16:06.34 | Spakman_ | thanks alterego |
| 16:06.49 | Khertan | hrw> yes but ... i don't know why my repo created myself don't work with this stupid application manager ! |
| 16:07.11 | Khertan | they should use synaptic instead of this things ! |
| 16:07.12 | czr | hey alterego |
| 16:07.36 | alterego | Hey czr long time :D |
| 16:07.38 | alterego | How are you ? |
| 16:08.02 | Spakman_ | alterego: I looked at libosso.rb and wondered (seperate thing) if line 127 should say "unless block_given?" instead of "unless proc". |
| 16:08.07 | czr | alterego, busy busy busy. have three projects going on. seems that everyone wants me to work on something interesting at the same time. murphy and all. you? |
| 16:09.35 | alterego | Yeah, not bad. |
| 16:09.45 | alterego | Got an interview for a new job on Thursday. |
| 16:10.05 | alterego | Spakman_, I'm guessing 'proc' is a block, so they should be equivalent. |
| 16:10.11 | czr | alterego, cool. good luck with it :-) |
| 16:11.00 | Khertan | 3 days and still no answer about changing my key for maemo .... pfff |
| 16:11.59 | alterego | czr, Thanks :) |
| 16:12.35 | Spakman_ | alterego: but in this case, since there is no local variable called proc, will it not call Kernel#proc and return nil? |
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| 16:17.33 | alterego | Spakman_, I'll have to check later. I don't have access to the source right now. |
| 16:17.41 | Spakman_ | OK, sure |
| 16:17.42 | alterego | You could be right though ;) |
| 16:17.59 | alterego | Maybe you should try editing the file :P |
| 16:18.11 | Spakman_ | alterego: is the C source available somewhere? Can I have a copy, please? |
| 16:18.28 | Spakman_ | alterego: initial tests with edited file seem better (removed a warning). |
| 16:18.51 | alterego | It would be in the SVN repository. But that's currently down. |
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| 16:19.39 | alterego | Hopefully I'll have some time to get into ruby-maemo this evening, or tomorrow. |
| 16:19.44 | alterego | But I can't promise anything :) |
| 16:20.27 | Spakman_ | no worries, whatever you can manage :) |
| 16:20.37 | Spakman_ | Any idea when SVN will be back up? |
| 16:21.00 | alterego | When I start working on ruby-maemo again, as it'll have to be up for me to check out the source ;) |
| 16:21.34 | Spakman_ | ah, seems logical enough! |
| 16:22.11 | alterego | :) |
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| 16:40.19 | Spakman_ | catch you later folks, dinner time for me. |
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| 16:46.59 | dookdook | just got my nokia n800 today. pretty excited |
| 16:48.24 | SDuensin | Congrats, dookdook. I'm a recent N800 buyer. Love the little thing. |
| 16:48.57 | dookdook | sduensin, can't wait to put some software on it. any suggestions? |
| 16:49.14 | pupnik | mplayer |
| 16:49.16 | Veggen | maemo mapper is of course a must. |
| 16:49.20 | SDuensin | Well, put the new OS on it before you do much of anything. |
| 16:49.48 | X-Fade_ | Khertan: ping? |
| 16:49.49 | dookdook | i'm completely new to this..i've just perused the maemo site...they're up to 4.0 now, right? thats the one i should install? |
| 16:52.16 | jku | dookdook: 4.0.1 |
| 16:52.18 | Veggen | newest OS20008. 4.0 is the SDK version, not? |
| 16:52.52 | mgedmin | dookdook: flash latest OS2008 (if you don't have it already) |
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| 16:52.59 | mgedmin | best apps: fbreader, maemo-mapper |
| 16:53.08 | mgedmin | well, a lot depends on what you want to do with it |
| 16:53.28 | mgedmin | I can't live without load-applet to get a CPU & memory indicator in the statusbar |
| 16:53.31 | jku | dookdook, yeah just tpick the newest OS2008, I thought you were referring to the SDK |
| 16:53.41 | mgedmin | I used to want statusbarclock too, but now I don't have space for it |
| 16:53.58 | mgedmin | openssh is nice |
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| 16:54.15 | mgedmin | if you're comfortable with the command line |
| 16:54.16 | dookdook | yeah, i think i'm confused...the sdk is up to 4.0.1, but the os is os2008... |
| 16:54.24 | dookdook | its not going to break anything, is it? |
| 16:54.36 | mgedmin | what isn't? |
| 16:54.48 | jku | what is "it"? |
| 16:54.50 | dookdook | os2008 |
| 16:54.54 | mgedmin | flashing a new OS image isn't going to break anything (unless you run out of battery power) |
| 16:55.01 | mgedmin | if you've got a new n800, you already have os2008 |
| 16:55.04 | mgedmin | but maybe an older version |
| 16:55.19 | mgedmin | there was a bug where some n800 just didn't want to power on |
| 16:55.25 | mgedmin | it's fixed in the latest 2008 release |
| 16:55.42 | mgedmin | you can see the full version number in the control panel (about device) |
| 16:58.21 | dookdook | version 3.2007.10-7 |
| 16:58.43 | SDuensin | Oh yea, that's OLD. |
| 16:58.51 | dookdook | i bought it used... |
| 16:58.57 | mgedmin | is it? right, OS 2007 |
| 16:59.09 | mgedmin | OS 2008 is prettier and has more functionality |
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| 16:59.14 | mgedmin | I suggest flashing it |
| 16:59.21 | dookdook | so, i'm downloading "the second it os2008 release for nokia n800"...i assume thats the right one? |
| 16:59.25 | mgedmin | do you use linux, mac os, or windows? |
| 16:59.35 | dookdook | i use linux on my laptop |
| 16:59.49 | dookdook | one of the reasons i wanted the nokia...cause of linux |
| 17:02.33 | mgedmin | yay |
| 17:02.45 | mgedmin | found the linux flasher already? |
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| 17:03.38 | dookdook | me? |
| 17:04.29 | mgedmin | I suppose the page with flashing instructions that pointed you to the os image also pointed to the flasher program |
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| 17:05.06 | dookdook | i only see the .bin, the license and the md5sums |
| 17:05.54 | dookdook | (.bins (plural) rather) |
| 17:06.15 | mgedmin | http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ |
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| 17:07.06 | mgedmin | maemo.org is so slow again :( |
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| 17:13.55 | dookdook | is it just me or is it a lot snappier? |
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| 17:15.42 | mgedmin | what is? |
| 17:15.53 | mgedmin | maemo.org or the n800 with os2008 on it? |
| 17:15.59 | dookdook | the latter |
| 17:16.06 | mgedmin | hm |
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| 17:16.15 | dookdook | anyway, installed and working |
| 17:16.16 | mgedmin | it's nicer to use; I haven't noticed it being faster or slower |
| 17:16.32 | jku | dookdook, which OS did you have before? |
| 17:16.54 | dookdook | jku, version 3.2007.10-7 |
| 17:17.22 | jku | I think the clock speed was raised between them... |
| 17:17.29 | jku | so it would be faster |
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| 17:19.21 | mgedmin | ah, right |
| 17:19.36 | mgedmin | the magical software update that increases cpu speed |
| 17:19.45 | Navi | woo |
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| 17:20.42 | dookdook | alrighty...thank you mgedmin |
| 17:21.04 | GeneralAntilles | Well, clock speed and major code improvements. |
| 17:21.24 | dookdook | looks prettier too |
| 17:21.34 | Navi | is there a vi package with color support? |
| 17:21.42 | mgedmin | it's the first nokia it os with beautiful default theme |
| 17:21.46 | mgedmin | vim |
| 17:22.01 | mgedmin | it should be in maemo extras, but probably isn't, because I'm lazy :( |
| 17:22.32 | Navi | >_> |
| 17:22.37 | mgedmin | https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vim/ |
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| 17:23.39 | mgedmin | hm, that page says "Author: Marius Gedminas" |
| 17:23.44 | mgedmin | which is misleading |
| 17:23.49 | mgedmin | I packaged it for maemo; I didn't write it |
| 17:23.55 | Navi | Thank you |
| 17:23.56 | zoran | alter ego of mgedmin ? :) |
| 17:24.19 | zoran | nope, not real alterego |
| 17:24.34 | alterego | You rang? |
| 17:24.38 | zoran | as Freud thought |
| 17:24.54 | zoran | he-he |
| 17:25.04 | zoran | I just forgot about that nick |
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| 17:25.48 | Navi | >_> |
| 17:25.50 | Navi | "maemo.org uses an invalid security certificate. |
| 17:25.52 | Navi | " |
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| 17:26.45 | koshi | Got a question regarding on screen keyboard and japanese layout, after installing anthy and scim-anthy which is meant to be a japanese input method, I donot get the on screen keyboard any more. It just never appears, anyone know about this problem? |
| 17:27.11 | derf | OS 2008? |
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| 17:27.26 | koshi | Yep sorry on n810 |
| 17:27.39 | derf | Oh... I never got an onscreen keyboard on the N810. |
| 17:27.45 | derf | Is there a reason to want one? |
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| 17:28.36 | zoran | yeah, to have your own! |
| 17:28.50 | koshi | Its easier to use then the little extensible one. At least for me, still, installing two applications that apparently make use of the SMART Common Input Method, and kill it, doesn't seem smart <_< |
| 17:29.48 | koshi | So I was wondering if anyone successfully managed to get writing japanese support going. Or perhaps knows how to start the on screen keyboard manually. |
| 17:30.00 | derf | Anyway... I'd e-mail makoto. He's pretty responsive. |
| 17:30.11 | derf | I've gotten it going just fine, but no onscreen keyboard. |
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| 17:30.44 | derf | The biggest problem I've had is that it seems to break sticky modifier keys. |
| 17:30.48 | mgedmin | koshi: I don't have my n810 yet, but I'd like to know how to get a real vkb there too |
| 17:30.57 | mgedmin | doesn't it pop up when you have the hardware keyboard closed? |
| 17:31.04 | derf | I.e., you have to actually hold down Fn while pressing q to get a 1. |
| 17:31.09 | mgedmin | I've also heard something vkb-ish happens when you press shift+space |
| 17:31.12 | derf | Instead of pressing one after the other. |
| 17:31.31 | koshi | Sorry who is makoto? mgedmin yes, normally yes it does. But for some reaosn it no longer does it, once I remove all scim and anthy packages it comes back... |
| 17:31.51 | derf | koshi: The author of maemocjk? It's on the website. |
| 17:31.55 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 17:31.57 | pH5 | does anybody know how to get gtk scroll bars to the left side of the screen? "echo gtk-scrolled-window-placement = top-right > ~/.gtkrc-2.0" didn't do the trick. |
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| 17:32.03 | derf | mgedmin: shift+space is the normal SCIM trigger. |
| 17:32.07 | koshi | Ahh I see il bung him an email |
| 17:32.11 | mgedmin | scim probably changes the GTK input method |
| 17:32.49 | derf | I don't think he's got scim integrated as well as he did uim. |
| 17:33.07 | derf | I'm not sure why he switched, other than to get some on-screen feedback about the current input mode. |
| 17:34.26 | derf | Anyway... I fixed the horrible vkb show/hide stuff for him before. I could probably do it again, but I wouldn't hold your breath on it happening any time soon. |
| 17:34.34 | koshi | There used to be a little random pop up thing when you pressed chr button (that you use for random characters not on the actual physical keyboard) that no longer pops up either. It is meant to be called from the physical keyboard. But yeah il bung him an email see what he says. |
| 17:34.52 | derf | I could never figure out what the Chr key was for. |
| 17:35.05 | derf | Even before I installed maemocjk. |
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| 17:35.42 | koshi | Actually I only found out about it today. When my lecturer was playing around with it, he just pressed it randomly and it popped up a mini on screen thing with physical keyboard active as well. |
| 17:36.02 | derf | I mean, I pressed it. But nothing like that ever happened. |
| 17:36.07 | koshi | Oh o_O |
| 17:37.00 | koshi | Think its meant to activate when you are in a text field already |
| 17:37.26 | koshi | Oh yeah derf, you got maemocjk on n810 then? |
| 17:37.30 | derf | koshi: Yes. |
| 17:37.35 | koshi | And it works? |
| 17:37.38 | derf | The japanese-support, anyway. |
| 17:37.40 | derf | Yes, it does. |
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| 17:37.58 | koshi | With the on screen keyboard? Hmmh maybe I am missing a package for it... |
| 17:38.05 | derf | No onscreen keyboard. |
| 17:38.29 | derf | As I said, I never had an onscreen keyboard, even before I switched. |
| 17:38.33 | Navi | mgedmin, thank you |
| 17:38.41 | derf | But I didn't play around with it very long before installing maemocjk. |
| 17:38.53 | derf | Since I was, you know, in Japan when I got it. |
| 17:39.07 | koshi | Oh, you can enable it via control panel, automatically its off I believe. |
| 17:40.17 | derf | Ah, I see. |
| 17:40.19 | derf | That would explain it. |
| 17:40.31 | derf | Probably explains why Chr didn't do anything, also. |
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| 17:40.56 | koshi | Yes perhaps. I do like the on screen keyboard more, its hand writing recognition is pretty good even with my crappy hand writing. |
| 17:41.10 | mgedmin | oh? cool |
| 17:41.15 | derf | Well, for maemocjk on OS2006/7, he had to implement his own vkb. |
| 17:41.17 | mgedmin | I could never get it to work satisfactorily |
| 17:41.20 | derf | So, no handwriting recognition. |
| 17:41.29 | mgedmin | also, vim's command mode is not very forgiving of mistakes ;) |
| 17:41.51 | derf | Now, that also meant it was easy to do your own custom keyboard layout. |
| 17:42.04 | derf | So on the whole I didn't mind. |
| 17:42.07 | koshi | But was planning to go to japan in a year's time or so and was hoping to get some more practise at least writing in in. And would be useful anyway over there. |
| 17:42.16 | derf | But my guess is he simply hasn't gotten around to porting that to OS2008 yet. |
| 17:42.41 | derf | It is _extremely_ useful to have over there. |
| 17:42.53 | derf | Especially if you're just visiting. |
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| 17:43.24 | derf | But you'd better be able to read Japanese, because there's precious little English on the Google maps maemo-mapper uses. |
| 17:44.04 | koshi | Yes, it works fine with the physical keyboard, and I can type a word using hiragana sounds and if its right, it does convert it to kanji, but no idea if its right as I only started learning hiragana recently. |
| 17:44.41 | derf | It's very often not. |
| 17:44.47 | koshi | Haha |
| 17:45.04 | dookdook | wow quake. does that run at a reasonable speed? |
| 17:45.11 | derf | Personally I can't stand anthy. So I ported over scim-skk. |
| 17:45.43 | derf | I still need to send makoto those patches. |
| 17:45.45 | BugBlue | mmm someone tried asterisk with N810 and video support already? |
| 17:46.20 | koshi | dookdook, I tried doom demo and it was fine i just sucked at using the controls.... |
| 17:46.43 | GeneralAntilles | Quake/Quake 2 run great |
| 17:46.51 | GeneralAntilles | Controls are basically perfect for the tablet. |
| 17:47.19 | magicrobotmonkey | whoa |
| 17:47.24 | magicrobotmonkey | where do you get quake from? |
| 17:47.26 | koshi | Hmmh, scim-skk you say. Il have a look at that. |
| 17:47.26 | derf | Really? |
| 17:47.46 | derf | I find the d-pad on every version of the tablet to be impossibly clumsy for games. |
| 17:48.13 | glass | nokias 4way designed pads suck bigtime for gaming |
| 17:48.13 | SDuensin | Anybody ever try and pair a bluetooth PS3 controller or Wiimote to it? |
| 17:48.27 | koshi | Not sure on quake, but doom can use stylus its strange but I did get to second level haha |
| 17:48.29 | glass | ngages the only nokias with decent pad for gaming |
| 17:50.29 | GeneralAntilles | magicrobotmonkey, google. |
| 17:50.36 | magicrobotmonkey | heh |
| 17:50.37 | dookdook | to install software, i just dump it on the memory card and click from the tablet? |
| 17:50.51 | GeneralAntilles | derf, the d-pad isn't great |
| 17:50.57 | Navi | fbreaderupdate woo |
| 17:50.58 | GeneralAntilles | but the controls are perfect for what it's got to work with. |
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| 17:51.10 | GeneralAntilles | Mouse look with the stylus, WASD -> d-pad |
| 17:51.11 | Navi | glass, LIES |
| 17:51.26 | Navi | the N-Gage's dpads are one of the best dpads I've ever used. |
| 17:51.46 | Navi | oh, four way |
| 17:51.48 | Navi | nevermind ^^ |
| 17:51.52 | SDuensin | I'm confused. Navi used "N-Gage" and "best" in the same sentence. |
| 17:52.15 | Zic | hmm, I'm asked me if it is possible to disable the "Nokia bootsplash" to have a verbose boot |
| 17:52.18 | Navi | SDuensin, the N-Gage had it's flaws, but there were a few things good about it, namely, the D-Pad. |
| 17:52.28 | Zic | like erase the "quiet splash" options in /boot/menu.lst |
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| 17:54.39 | GeneralAntilles | No, Zic. |
| 17:54.56 | pupnik | wow the gimp can no longer set number of colors to save in a .gif ? |
| 17:56.11 | pupnik | oh duh neverrmind |
| 17:56.44 | Navi | :3 |
| 17:56.57 | glass | Navi: i liked classic ngages gamepad quite a bit.. the center action was still usable |
| 17:57.15 | glass | Navi: but on other s60s the pads suck and they're electrically made self blocking.. |
| 17:57.34 | Navi | I hate center click buttons on any dpad/analog stick >_> |
| 17:57.56 | pupnik | btw i might be able to get usb mouse support for 2 player action |
| 17:58.16 | Navi | sexy |
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| 18:02.05 | czr | has something happened that people all of the sudden started downloading the maemo vmware image much more? (the torrent) |
| 18:02.55 | Navi | czr, a plague of retardation has occurred. |
| 18:03.12 | czr | Navi, just a plague? :-) |
| 18:03.20 | Navi | Yes, just a plague. |
| 18:03.36 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 18:03.41 | czr | a friend seeds about 80% of it and was wondering why there's all of the sudden much larger interest in it than normally. |
| 18:04.19 | Navi | Well, let's check digg to see if something interesting has happened |
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| 18:05.44 | Navi | hrm |
| 18:05.58 | Navi | modest doesn't handle massive amounts of email too well. |
| 18:06.00 | GeneralAntilles | I bet it was just this channel. |
| 18:06.19 | czr | GeneralAntilles, 49 peers. |
| 18:06.20 | GeneralAntilles | Lot of people have been referred to it recently. |
| 18:06.28 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, including you |
| 18:06.53 | czr | ah. well. it's not my server, so I don't really mind :-) |
| 18:06.53 | derf | I thought modest was supposed to be able to handle large inboxes? |
| 18:07.15 | GeneralAntilles | For reasonable values of "large". |
| 18:07.30 | Navi | It's supposed to work well on lower spec devices. I only have 300 messages :P |
| 18:07.31 | czr | 10k? |
| 18:07.37 | derf | I mean, that was the reason the old mail client was completely unusuable for me. It would run out of RAM before it ever once successfully opened my inbox. |
| 18:08.03 | derf | I consider "reasonable" to be 20K messages or so. |
| 18:08.09 | Navi | Lol |
| 18:08.25 | GeneralAntilles | That's obscenely large for most people. |
| 18:08.28 | Navi | Even my spam box on an account I had for ages never reached that high |
| 18:08.43 | Navi | with spam pruning off |
| 18:08.47 | czr | I have 7K in spambox. it's running with 20 day retention atm. |
| 18:08.51 | derf | My smaller accounts only have 10K or so messages. |
| 18:09.05 | Navi | christ |
| 18:09.14 | derf | And that's after all the spam is filtered out. |
| 18:09.27 | czr | derf, you count mailing lists? |
| 18:09.31 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 18:09.33 | GeneralAntilles | Just gonna ask that. |
| 18:09.35 | czr | cause that's cheating. |
| 18:09.41 | Navi | Very much so |
| 18:09.42 | derf | czr: Only the ones I actually read. |
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| 18:10.02 | czr | well. still. :-). how many years worth of stuff do you have there? |
| 18:10.04 | derf | Of course, if I don't read it, I don't subscribe to it. |
| 18:10.29 | derf | Roughly 2? I keep losing hdds. |
| 18:10.45 | czr | that's a lot then I guess. |
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| 18:11.44 | ulises | hello all |
| 18:11.50 | derf | It's only around 60 real messages/day. |
| 18:12.55 | Navi | You use modest with 20k messages? |
| 18:13.02 | derf | No, I haven't tried it yet. |
| 18:13.09 | Navi | >_> |
| 18:13.11 | derf | I just use webmail. |
| 18:13.30 | Navi | 20k would be too much anyways >_> |
| 18:13.56 | fysa | it hurts. |
| 18:14.48 | czr | I've cut down on emails. Not replying to people really helps in the long run. |
| 18:15.03 | derf | I'm not sure why... even if you needed to keep 1K of data per message resident in RAM, that's only 20MB. |
| 18:15.04 | GeneralAntilles | I don't really see the point of loading the whole archive into the tablet. |
| 18:15.08 | GeneralAntilles | New messages are enough for me. |
| 18:15.26 | derf | I find it _really_ helpful to be able to search old messages. |
| 18:15.37 | derf | I use e-mail like an external memory. |
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| 18:16.06 | Navi | I use imap, I hate receiving new message signals on multiple devices |
| 18:16.23 | dookdook | so freakin sweet |
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| 18:17.19 | derf | The little "Subject or Sender contains..." textbox in Seamonkey is basically the most awesome feature ever. |
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| 18:18.36 | Navi | s/imap/pop3/ >_> |
| 18:18.51 | derf | Oh, that makes much more sense. |
| 18:18.58 | czr | Navi, heh. was wondering :-) |
| 18:19.05 | Navi | :P |
| 18:19.13 | derf | I don't generally have things notify me if I have new mail. |
| 18:19.23 | derf | The answer is always "yes". |
| 18:19.46 | czr | you have autoresponder setup to answer all emails with "yes"? that's pretty cool :-) |
| 18:19.47 | Navi | I wouldn't want to be notified if I were you anyways. |
| 18:20.04 | derf | czr: Hah, I should do that for a week. |
| 18:20.08 | derf | And see if anyone notices. |
| 18:20.20 | czr | then switch to 'no' for the next week |
| 18:20.30 | czr | actually. do a randomizing yes/no/maybe autoresponder. |
| 18:20.36 | derf | yes/no/ask bob |
| 18:20.40 | czr | heh |
| 18:20.55 | czr | or, you could take it a step further and make an "alice"-style autoresponder. |
| 18:21.04 | derf | I was thinking eliza. |
| 18:21.14 | czr | hmm. same thing? |
| 18:21.18 | derf | I assume. |
| 18:21.30 | Navi | Want to fuck? "Yes" You're not afraid of fucking men? "No" So where should we meet? "ask bob" |
| 18:21.40 | derf | Unless you were going for an alice/bob crypto reference, which would make no sense. |
| 18:21.59 | czr | derf, could be. I'm tired. long day/other excuse. :-) |
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| 18:22.19 | czr | I mean the "why do you feel that blah blah"-generator. |
| 18:22.53 | derf | That's the one. |
| 18:23.10 | derf | Tell me about "why do you feel that blah blah"-generator. |
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| 18:25.04 | czr | heh |
| 18:25.04 | dookdook | is gtk+ really light weight enough for use on the nokia? |
| 18:25.17 | czr | dookdook, depends on whether you mean the tyres or the rubber boots |
| 18:25.29 | czr | rubber boots generally survive pretty well with GTK+ |
| 18:26.02 | dookdook | um...you lost me |
| 18:26.12 | Navi | gtk+ is a widget toolset, it's up to the developer whether or not it's light enough. |
| 18:26.14 | czr | dookdook, yes. |
| 18:26.29 | czr | dookdook, if GTK+ is used on the devices, then it must be good enough to be useful. right? |
| 18:26.58 | czr | dookdook, also, nokia used to make car tyres (sold off to nokia tires) and rubber boots (discontinued) |
| 18:26.58 | Navi | s/toolset/toolkit |
| 18:27.41 | dookdook | i see... |
| 18:27.58 | dookdook | yeah, i could have phrased the question better. it was more a request for elaboration... |
| 18:28.04 | dookdook | meaning, just how slow is gtk+... |
| 18:28.14 | dookdook | (as opposed to straight x calls?) |
| 18:28.59 | czr | it is slower. |
| 18:29.11 | czr | "just how slow" means that you want to benchmark it. |
| 18:29.20 | jku | why stop there. straight framebuffer for the win... |
| 18:29.26 | Navi | Heh |
| 18:29.44 | czr | jku, and if you restrict rendering to a nice 0x0 pixel rectangular off-screen area, it will be fastestest ever :-) |
| 18:29.51 | Navi | XD |
| 18:30.02 | Navi | Straight X calls fail at unification. |
| 18:30.13 | czr | unification of what? |
| 18:30.19 | Navi | of appearence |
| 18:30.48 | czr | modify X only to suppor black and white and 2-pixel wide 90-degree lines then. |
| 18:30.51 | czr | instant unification. |
| 18:30.57 | Navi | Hrm, true |
| 18:31.25 | Navi | Thank god for GTK+ though. |
| 18:32.35 | SDuensin | What's the recommended way to upgrade the OS on my N800? If I run the backup tool, reflash, and restore, is that enough? Or am I going to lose things? |
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| 18:33.23 | mgedmin | SDuensin: you may need to reinstall apps |
| 18:33.27 | mgedmin | after the restore |
| 18:33.32 | Navi | XD |
| 18:33.33 | jku | hah they are so slow it should be easy to duck |
| 18:33.36 | mgedmin | I think the restore in OS2008 offers to reinstall them for you automatically |
| 18:33.53 | mgedmin | but not if you made the backup with an older OS version |
| 18:33.57 | SDuensin | But things like browser favorites and settings get backed up? |
| 18:34.04 | SDuensin | I'm going from 2008 to the new 2008. |
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| 18:34.09 | mgedmin | yes... |
| 18:34.09 | mgedmin | actually, there's a scary bug on maemo.org about restore failing to restore everything |
| 18:34.13 | mgedmin | I wasn't bitten by it |
| 18:34.24 | Navi | OHSHI- |
| 18:34.26 | czr | jku, massive aierial drag methinks. |
| 18:34.28 | mgedmin | my OS2007 backup was restored on OS2008, and I never missed anything |
| 18:34.50 | mgedmin | although there's a different bug where after my kind of restore bluetooth pairing with keyboards becomes difficult ;) |
| 18:35.00 | SDuensin | Ok, guess I'll be brave and upgrade it. :-) |
| 18:35.12 | wzzrd | hi, does anyone here have a UK version of the N800? |
| 18:35.53 | wzzrd | or at least can someone tell me the differences between the EU version and the UK version? |
| 18:35.59 | mgedmin | is there a difference? |
| 18:36.05 | wzzrd | i don't knw |
| 18:36.23 | wzzrd | but I can buy a UK version relatively cheap and I live on the European mainland |
| 18:36.24 | czr | the UK version smells funny. |
| 18:36.37 | wzzrd | so I want to know (apart from the powerplug) what the differences are |
| 18:37.01 | wzzrd | I mean: is the software different, can I load any Maemo image I like? |
| 18:37.45 | mgedmin | power plug might be different |
| 18:37.58 | mgedmin | the OS images are universal |
| 18:38.03 | mgedmin | the same image used for all countries |
| 18:38.13 | mgedmin | you choose the desired language & region while setting it up |
| 18:38.39 | Navi | just the plug and manual in different places |
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| 18:38.59 | wzzrd | that is great news: the powerplug I can work around, but country specific firmware locked to certain hardware would have sucked |
| 18:39.06 | mgedmin | is there a paper manual still? |
| 18:39.15 | wzzrd | thanks! now I can *finally* get my N800! |
| 18:39.17 | mgedmin | the OS image contains PDFs with the manual in several different languages |
| 18:39.22 | wzzrd | woohoo! :-) |
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| 18:39.24 | eichi | hello |
| 18:39.26 | Navi | Really? |
| 18:39.33 | eichi | i have problems with my SD card extern |
| 18:39.37 | mgedmin | I don't know about hardware differences limiting the wifi channels, for example |
| 18:39.49 | eichi | i get the message, that the card is read only |
| 18:39.58 | Navi | Yeah, region locked crap sucks. |
| 18:40.00 | mgedmin | I've heard that the supported channels are different in US and Europe for wifi hardware |
| 18:40.05 | wzzrd | mgedmin, that might be nasty |
| 18:40.12 | Navi | eichi, flick the switch to make it read/write. |
| 18:40.22 | eichi | "mount" give me RO option |
| 18:40.22 | mgedmin | I think the EU versions have two extra channels not legal to use in the US |
| 18:40.42 | Navi | mgedmin, that shouldn't be an issue |
| 18:40.47 | eichi | Navi, ? i did not changed something on hardware |
| 18:40.47 | mgedmin | right |
| 18:40.59 | mgedmin | I was just trying to get an exhaustive list of possible regional differences |
| 18:41.02 | Navi | as long as you don't buy a router that uses those channels :P |
| 18:41.05 | Navi | ah |
| 18:41.13 | Navi | eichi, on your SD card |
| 18:41.15 | Navi | there is a switch |
| 18:41.32 | Navi | with the contacts at the top, the switch should be on the side |
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| 18:41.39 | Navi | Oh |
| 18:41.41 | Navi | wait |
| 18:41.46 | wzzrd | i'll check google for county specific limitations on wifi channels |
| 18:41.47 | Navi | eichi, N800 or N810? |
| 18:41.57 | eichi | n800 |
| 18:42.01 | Navi | yeah |
| 18:42.09 | eichi | the swith is on wr |
| 18:42.20 | Navi | Up position, correct? |
| 18:42.22 | eichi | there was no problem the last monts |
| 18:42.43 | eichi | but then i got a error with meamo mapper and it doenst work anymore |
| 18:43.00 | Navi | does your PC write to it fine? |
| 18:43.01 | wzzrd | wikipedia only tells of differences between channels in the US and Europe / Japan |
| 18:43.11 | wzzrd | I suppose Europe includes the UK here :) |
| 18:43.17 | eichi | Navi, my n800 write it fine the last months |
| 18:43.22 | eichi | i did not change anythink |
| 18:43.26 | eichi | believe me |
| 18:43.34 | eichi | k=g |
| 18:43.38 | Navi | you UK people, just because you're an island... |
| 18:43.45 | Navi | eichi, I believe you |
| 18:44.00 | Navi | however, your SD card still could of developed problems. |
| 18:44.18 | Navi | eichi, can you still write to it with any other devices? |
| 18:44.29 | wzzrd | ok, I'm gonna order :) thanks navi and mgedmin |
| 18:44.30 | eichi | i dont have any other sd devices |
| 18:44.34 | GeneralAntilles | RO generally means it's corrupted. |
| 18:45.01 | Navi | My friend broke his sd card switch once |
| 18:45.04 | Navi | ^_^ |
| 18:45.16 | GeneralAntilles | SDuensin, don't forgot to re-enable Extras before restoring. |
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| 18:45.49 | SDuensin | Extras? |
| 18:46.02 | Navi | I didn't know I had to enable extras, so I was thoroughly confused |
| 18:46.08 | Navi | SDuensin, extras repository |
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| 18:46.17 | SDuensin | Oh. |
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| 18:46.49 | Navi | lunar linux? |
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| 18:48.07 | GeneralAntilles | http://lunar-linux.org/ |
| 18:48.25 | Navi | Yeah, I figured it out :P |
| 18:48.27 | dookdook | sorry for the basic question...how do you get rid of the "get started" and "os2008 user site" things on the main desktop? |
| 18:48.46 | GeneralAntilles | Tap the menu |
| 18:48.51 | GeneralAntilles | Select Applets... |
| 18:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | Go ahead and uninstall the flash tutorial from app manager, too. |
| 18:49.20 | Navi | Go through the "Get Started" app to figure it out. |
| 18:49.29 | Navi | </irony> |
| 18:50.05 | dookdook | generalantilles, thanks |
| 18:50.59 | SDuensin | As much as I despise Windows, the Nokia flash updater is pretty slick. |
| 18:51.27 | jku | how so? |
| 18:51.38 | koshi | Don't hate windows, just think of it as a sub-standard product |
| 18:51.41 | SDuensin | Well, it works. :-) |
| 18:51.55 | GeneralAntilles | It has no features, though. |
| 18:52.04 | GeneralAntilles | The Linux/OS X flashers you can actually do something with. |
| 18:52.04 | Navi | What, the flasher? |
| 18:52.10 | SDuensin | And I don't have to do anything. No downloading, no selecting which ROM, nothing. Just run it and go. |
| 18:52.30 | Navi | Yeah, that's how Nokia designs all of their flashers |
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| 18:52.40 | koshi | SDuensin, you get apps like that in linux world as well, they are relatively rare as programmers make too many assumptions |
| 18:52.48 | eichi | it isnt read only |
| 18:53.02 | eichi | its a maemo mapper problem |
| 18:53.09 | Navi | yay |
| 18:53.20 | SDuensin | Actually, I'm currently installing a program with too many options. :-) |
| 18:53.30 | Navi | I like options |
| 18:54.39 | koshi | Heh, I would't call myself a linux fan, I use it as the user interface is way nicer. If microsoft separated ui from the kernel, I would consider installing a windows. |
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| 18:55.26 | SDuensin | kortsi - "Windows Server Core" has no UI. |
| 18:55.50 | koshi | No UI is also bad, their shell really sucks big time... |
| 18:56.20 | Navi | powershell is a powered shell |
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| 18:57.39 | SDuensin | PowerShell isn't too bad. Too bad it's so glued to M$ technologies. I hate single-platform "solutions". |
| 18:58.06 | Navi | hrm |
| 18:58.10 | Navi | can fbreader do pdf? |
| 18:58.13 | koshi | Hmmh, interesting never seen it before, but that still leaves their horrid ui there :) Generally when was using windows, rarely had issues with the actual OS. More programs that fail. |
| 18:58.22 | SDuensin | Navi - Not yet. |
| 18:58.32 | Navi | Damn, there goes part of it's usefulness |
| 18:58.36 | SDuensin | Navi - I wish it did. The included PDF reader is...lacking. |
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| 18:58.53 | koshi | Whats wrong with included pdf reader? It seems alright |
| 18:58.56 | gomia2 | . |
| 18:59.14 | Navi | Not as feature-packed as fbreader |
| 18:59.28 | SDuensin | koshi - No bookmark support, doesn't remember your horizontal position when you change pages. That's my big two beefs. |
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| 19:00.10 | koshi | Ah so your right, I do like book marks. |
| 19:00.35 | SDuensin | Drives me nuts to have to re-center the page when the page changes, too. |
| 19:00.46 | SDuensin | (The novel I'm reading has wide margins.) |
| 19:00.53 | GeneralAntilles | Evince for PDFs. |
| 19:00.57 | Navi | You guys use the built in rss reader, or is there something better? |
| 19:01.03 | SDuensin | Evince? |
| 19:01.13 | Navi | gnome PDF reader |
| 19:01.21 | dookdook | is there, like, a to-do list of software wanted for the nokia? |
| 19:01.28 | koshi | Oh yeah only briefly looked before |
| 19:01.31 | GeneralAntilles | Somewhere on ITT. |
| 19:01.38 | GeneralAntilles | Used to be a wiki page for it. |
| 19:01.45 | Navi | a lot of it is games. |
| 19:02.16 | SDuensin | GeneralAntilles - So build us one! :-) |
| 19:02.45 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, we still have the maemo wiki. |
| 19:02.47 | Navi | GeneralAntilles, yeah, doo eet |
| 19:02.51 | GeneralAntilles | All the software has moved to Downloads/Garage. |
| 19:03.01 | GeneralAntilles | It used to be one big page of software, though. |
| 19:03.10 | GeneralAntilles | So you'd load it up and look for screenshots of new applications. :D |
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| 19:05.20 | koshi | dookdook, think that list would be massive ;) |
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| 19:13.14 | Navi | on the top of the list for many would be PIM software that could sync to their crappy proprietary software |
| 19:14.43 | SDuensin | Still nothing out there that's as fast and easy to use as the PalmOS PIM stuff. Not even Garnet. :-( |
| 19:14.47 | X-Fade_ | GeneralAntilles: You can always look at all applications in one big list here: http://maemo.org/downloads/list/OS2008/all |
| 19:15.06 | MangoFusion | what about web based stuff + google gears? |
| 19:15.07 | GeneralAntilles | I was being nostalgic. :P |
| 19:15.17 | SDuensin | DoH! /all! Been looking for that! |
| 19:15.45 | X-Fade_ | SDuensin: It didn't exist until yesterday ;) |
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| 19:16.10 | lcuk | i think microsoft office outlook professional 2007 architects arse wiping edition is the best in the world (tho for some reason i keep most of my important pim data in notepad) |
| 19:16.31 | SDuensin | MS LookOut? Are you MAD? :-P |
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| 19:17.21 | lcuk | hey, dont knock it, it managed to lock away emails in a proprietary format quicker than anything else out there |
| 19:17.21 | SDuensin | hehehe |
| 19:17.49 | lcuk | you can get at everything apart from the important stuff -> ANY date fields |
| 19:17.53 | Navi | I need to give Google Gears a try |
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| 19:18.36 | Navi | Google Calendar beats out a lot of calendaring software |
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| 19:18.58 | lcuk | when linked with gmail its the dogs |
| 19:19.43 | jku | lcuk same with calendar data exporting... |
| 19:20.20 | jku | it's like the outlook developers actually put considerable effort to have export formats that look fine on the outside but are totally unusable |
| 19:20.28 | lcuk | lol jku, you are shitting me? i thought it was just braindead in the mail dept. i had to create a database and tell *spit* access to IMPORT data by pointing it at an imap folder |
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| 19:21.50 | jku | admittedly it was several years back |
| 19:22.09 | lcuk | this was last friday - i wanted to export all my spam (i reached 10,000 again) |
| 19:22.27 | dookdook | does someone know where i can get the source for the virtual keyboard? or any other test program for keyboard input? (i saw the hebrew thing...is that the only one?) |
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| 19:23.42 | lcuk | dookdook, the source is not available from what i understand, but people have implimented other boards for their purposes, which framework (x11/gtk etc) are you wanting it for and people might be able to guide you |
| 19:24.15 | dookdook | i'd be interested in any/all frameworks |
| 19:24.47 | dookdook | i'm talking about using it as a replacement keyboard, not just some keyboard input local to an application... |
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| 19:26.00 | Navi | hrm |
| 19:26.10 | Navi | my N800 locked while installing pengupop |
| 19:26.18 | Navi | great >_> |
| 19:26.22 | mgedmin | just wait |
| 19:26.26 | mgedmin | writes to flash memory are slow |
| 19:26.32 | Navi | mmk |
| 19:26.33 | mgedmin | and every now and then it has to stop and run the garbage collector |
| 19:26.42 | mgedmin | which is even slower ;) |
| 19:26.50 | lcuk | im not sure then, "Bring out your dead!" |
| 19:26.53 | mgedmin | if it's still stuck after 15 minutes, then worry |
| 19:26.59 | lcuk | -im not sure then, |
| 19:27.33 | mgedmin | well, 15 minutes is an exaggeration |
| 19:27.34 | lcuk | 15 mins is a helluva timer |
| 19:27.36 | mgedmin | 1.5 minutes ir more likely |
| 19:27.43 | Navi | :P |
| 19:28.31 | Navi | yeah, I think it's stuck |
| 19:28.57 | mgedmin | real computers have the advantage of a noisy hard disk to indicate that they're busy |
| 19:28.58 | lcuk | does anything work at all |
| 19:29.08 | Navi | I hear sound while tapping the stylus |
| 19:29.23 | lcuk | is screen blank or stuck |
| 19:29.23 | Navi | and I can do that see-through-child-window dealie |
| 19:29.25 | mgedmin | which is why I'm unable to use a n800 without a cpu usage applet |
| 19:29.37 | Navi | The cpu usage applet is stuck |
| 19:29.53 | mgedmin | at 0% or at 100%? |
| 19:29.59 | Navi | at not moving at all. |
| 19:30.00 | lcuk | have you got any fullscreen apps running at the moment |
| 19:30.05 | Navi | no |
| 19:30.17 | lcuk | oooer |
| 19:30.30 | achadwick | Memory is the annoyance on this n810. |
| 19:30.38 | lcuk | try giving a poke on your power button see if the overlord menu pops up, or try locking it |
| 19:30.47 | Navi | nope |
| 19:30.54 | achadwick | I suggest waiting for a min or 2 |
| 19:31.07 | Navi | I've waited for four |
| 19:31.14 | Navi | five |
| 19:31.20 | lcuk | short minutes |
| 19:31.23 | lcuk | :P |
| 19:31.39 | Navi | says the irc timestamps |
| 19:32.35 | GeneralAntilles | Hit it with a stick! |
| 19:33.25 | Navi | It's locked, can't even ssh into it |
| 19:33.30 | mgedmin | meh, |
| 19:33.33 | mgedmin | wait 30 minutes |
| 19:33.40 | mgedmin | if it's still dead, do something |
| 19:33.52 | mgedmin | if it ran out of ram, it may be thrashing for a while yet |
| 19:33.55 | Navi | s/pulling/pull/ |
| 19:33.59 | mgedmin | creating a swap file helps |
| 19:34.04 | Navi | I'm using a 128MB swap |
| 19:34.07 | mgedmin | ah |
| 19:34.10 | Navi | it restarted on it's own |
| 19:34.12 | Navi | lmao |
| 19:34.16 | mgedmin | watchdog, probably |
| 19:34.19 | Navi | that saves me some trouble |
| 19:34.24 | mgedmin | or oom-killer killed something |
| 19:34.33 | mgedmin | what were you trying to install? |
| 19:34.42 | Navi | pengupop |
| 19:35.01 | lcuk | nokipop |
| 19:35.03 | mgedmin | it's funny-sad when the CPU watchdog reboots the device while it's running the filesystem garbage collector *at boot time* |
| 19:35.26 | Navi | lol*cry |
| 19:37.03 | Navi | huh, Street Fighter IV is already ready for localization tests |
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| 19:41.56 | BugBlue | 20:34 < BugBlue> I got asterisk recording video from the N810 |
| 19:41.56 | BugBlue | 20:34 < BugBlue> however playback is still broken |
| 19:42.14 | lcuk | :O bugblue, you are time travelling |
| 19:42.50 | BugBlue | not really.... |
| 19:42.53 | BugBlue | GSM+1 :-) |
| 19:42.57 | BugBlue | GMT+1 |
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| 19:43.26 | Navi | ooh, asterisk |
| 19:44.21 | Navi | nothing like a good open source PBX program. |
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| 19:46.16 | BugBlue | Navi: very nice stuff |
| 19:46.23 | BugBlue | however at the moment I have just 1 N810 to play with |
| 19:46.34 | BugBlue | time for one extra for this kind of tricks |
| 19:46.37 | Navi | :3 |
| 19:46.48 | BugBlue | and asterisk 1.6 isn't that "well" documented |
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| 19:54.42 | aquatix | evening all |
| 19:58.50 | Navi | evening |
| 19:58.59 | Navi | s/evening/afternoon/ |
| 20:01.40 | aquatix | i know the sed commands ;) |
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| 20:04.16 | apple2 | Has someone tried to compile enlightenment e17 for a 770? |
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| 20:04.34 | Navi | I doubt it, just a bit. |
| 20:04.50 | Navi | odd |
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| 20:05.17 | apple2 | well it compiles fine but segfaults when trying to run on the device |
| 20:05.30 | apple2 | I suppose its not a big problem |
| 20:05.55 | apple2 | but can't figure out what it is |
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| 20:11.22 | fysa | check dependencies |
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| 20:15.01 | lcuk | e17: Error, Unexpected device found, please install me onto a big computer ;) |
| 20:15.47 | lcuk | oh FUCK |
| 20:16.17 | lcuk | i just popped a bottle top off a beer (using a screwdriver) and its just wedged itself into the wall on the other side of the room |
| 20:16.20 | lcuk | :O |
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| 20:17.43 | aquatix | lcuk: :) |
| 20:18.04 | aquatix | lcuk: better than marinating your device in the liquid ;) |
| 20:19.02 | lcuk | lol yer. i bet i couldnt do that again with a bootle top, it pinged and got caught way over ^^^^^^ there |
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| 20:29.56 | edistar_ | how do I quickly compile some source for OS 2007? |
| 20:30.30 | tubtub | hi all. I have set up my n810 to mount over nfs. But it seems that when I power it up I have to insmod the g_ether.ko module before I plug in the usb else it does the usb_storage thing. Anyone know how to ensure usb networking gets priority? |
| 20:30.33 | Navi | boot up the vmware image and compile |
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| 20:42.45 | BugBlue | HAE |
| 20:42.57 | BugBlue | I got video working from the N810 to Xmeeting on my mac via asterisk sip |
| 20:44.11 | Navi | cool |
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| 20:44.18 | GnutoN810 | hi |
| 20:45.15 | tubtub | hi Gnuto N810 |
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| 20:46.49 | GnutoN810 | hey tubtub |
| 20:47.19 | tubtub | How are things? Up to much? |
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| 20:50.50 | BugBlue | bad thing [tm].. I first have to enable video else it won't work... |
| 20:50.59 | BugBlue | click call, click video on, wait for an answer |
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| 20:56.12 | BugBlue | oke :D |
| 20:56.20 | BugBlue | it works together with windows messenger 5.1 too! |
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| 21:05.44 | GnutoN810 | BugBlue, are you using amsn or pidgin? |
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| 22:27.40 | BugBlue | GnutoN810: no I'm using the sip protocol. meaning windows messenger 5.1 which does sip |
| 22:28.00 | BugBlue | GnutoN810: I'm *not* doing video over msn |
| 22:28.27 | BugBlue | my guts tell me that that is way more difficult |
| 22:31.49 | GnutoN810 | ah, ok |
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| 22:34.14 | ||cw | BugBlue: well, sip is just an initiator, how difficult the rest is depends on the protocol actually used |
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| 22:44.48 | BugBlue | cw: h263p for video and ulaw (orf alaw) for audio |
| 22:45.12 | BugBlue | now I need to code video support for the SL75wlan siemens voip wlan phone |
| 22:45.35 | BugBlue | and some more crap so I can dialin to mjpeg security cams |
| 22:45.37 | BugBlue | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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| 23:04.15 | cbx33 | Hey guys |
| 23:04.23 | johnx | hi |
| 23:04.40 | cbx33 | anyone know if you can get hold of the information from the light sensor on the n810 |
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| 23:05.26 | johnx | yup, there is a light meter app at nitapps.com |
| 23:11.23 | cbx33 | oh it just cats a file |
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| 23:12.59 | cbx33 | cool |
| 23:13.14 | cbx33 | can you cahgne the brightness |
| 23:13.26 | johnx | that gets more tricky |
| 23:13.39 | cbx33 | was thinking of hooking the two together |
| 23:14.02 | johnx | you can change the brightness just by echo'ing a number to another file under /sys |
| 23:14.12 | cbx33 | that's what I want |
| 23:14.28 | johnx | ...but then the Nokia program that listens to the light meter will change it back when it feels like it |
| 23:14.39 | cbx33 | the screen brightness? |
| 23:14.44 | johnx | yes |
| 23:14.46 | cbx33 | oh |
| 23:14.51 | Navi | pah |
| 23:14.55 | cbx33 | I didn't think it changed the screen |
| 23:15.02 | cbx33 | it changes keyboard leds |
| 23:15.17 | cbx33 | In high light conditions, I want my screen brighter |
| 23:15.22 | johnx | ah, I don't have an N810 so this is just AFAIK |
| 23:15.27 | cbx33 | ahh ok |
| 23:15.36 | cbx33 | johnx: you know the name of that file |
| 23:15.37 | cbx33 | ? |
| 23:15.51 | johnx | no, but I can look it up easily :) |
| 23:16.05 | cbx33 | hehe |
| 23:16.52 | cbx33 | oh you may be riht |
| 23:16.59 | cbx33 | http://blog.locationist.net/2008/01/11/n810-and-the-adaptive-screen/ |
| 23:17.10 | GnutoN810 | night |
| 23:17.31 | johnx | cat /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level |
| 23:18.39 | cbx33 | thanks johnx |
| 23:18.45 | johnx | sure |
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| 23:22.05 | cbx33 | hmmmm |
| 23:22.13 | cbx33 | it does seem to repond to the light |
| 23:22.16 | Navi | Anyone try out KOrganizer in the Garage yet? |
| 23:22.18 | cbx33 | but it's a little slow |
| 23:22.40 | cbx33 | http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=496 - anyone got any ideas ;) |
| 23:23.18 | Navi | Haha, lame |
| 23:23.45 | cbx33 | heheh |
| 23:23.48 | Navi | Reminds me, I need to get my N800 into USB host |
| 23:23.58 | cbx33 | Navi: now that's always fun |
| 23:24.11 | cbx33 | anyone know about the risks of usb host? |
| 23:25.12 | cbx33 | as in drawing too much power |
| 23:28.10 | Navi | woo hoo |
| 23:29.36 | johnx | cbx33, I don't think it's terribly dangerous to draw too much power. I'm pretty sure the N8x0 just won't deliver the power if the device tries to draw too much |
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| 23:30.00 | Navi | hrm |
| 23:30.17 | johnx | you could check threads on internettablettalk.com/forums and see if anyone managed to fry their N8x0 by connecting it to a device that wanted too much |
| 23:30.38 | Navi | now I only need a USB keyboard to carry around in my backpack, unless there's a bluetooth keyboard that I can happen to get under five bucks :P |
| 23:31.25 | johnx | I'll look for a nice small/cheap usb keyboard this weekend |
| 23:32.00 | johnx | I think I have a good shot at something reasonable |
| 23:32.34 | jott | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3060 hmm i wonder if something like this could easily be modified to serve as an usb power injector.. |
| 23:33.36 | johnx | could you just use it with a Y-cable? |
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| 23:34.06 | Navi | use a powered usb hub :P |
| 23:34.18 | johnx | ac powered or battery powered? |
| 23:34.38 | Navi | either :P |
| 23:34.39 | Navi | http://www.nextag.com/usb-foldable-keyboard/search-html |
| 23:34.58 | Navi | I'm out |
| 23:35.03 | johnx | 'later |
| 23:35.12 | johnx | hopefully I'll find a smaller keyboard this weekend :) |
| 23:35.20 | jott | are there any usable battery powered usb hubs available? |
| 23:35.30 | johnx | also, the battery powered hub I have doesn't provide enough juice |
| 23:35.42 | jott | i mean using a ac powered hub would be just nuts for mobile applications ;) |
| 23:36.10 | johnx | well, I can tell you the one from cyberpower doesn't provide enough juice to run a 1.8" hard drive |
| 23:36.46 | SDuensin | You guys see the tiny little 12G hard drive TigerDirect has? I was wondering if it'd work on the 800. |
| 23:36.46 | jott | hm yeah thats why i thought of using some usb backup pack :) |
| 23:37.03 | jott | and esp. something that can easily be recharged |
| 23:37.24 | jott | SDuensin: probably with a power injector :P |
| 23:37.25 | johnx | SDuensin, is it cheaper than a 16GB USB flash stick? |
| 23:37.35 | SDuensin | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3528019&CatId=2424 |
| 23:38.00 | SDuensin | Figured it's survive rewrites a lot better than flash. |
| 23:38.20 | johnx | I've killed exactly one SD card from what I assume were too many writes |
| 23:38.40 | johnx | because I used it as the rootfs on my zaurus and swapped heavily to it |
| 23:38.46 | johnx | for over 6 months |
| 23:39.08 | johnx | in any other circumstance I don't think it will be much of a problem |
| 23:39.15 | jott | i really doubt a portable hdd (with moving parts) lives much longer than a flash medium |
| 23:39.27 | SDuensin | Probably true. |
| 23:39.33 | johnx | and even now, I'm not sure that "too many writes" is what killed it |
| 23:39.48 | jott | johnx: do some stress tests and find out ;) |
| 23:39.59 | johnx | sure, donate me a card :P |
| 23:40.29 | jott | hehe i think i actually have some 128mb card somewhere that could be used .. ;) |
| 23:40.35 | johnx | newegg has 16GB usb sticks from $70... |
| 23:41.09 | johnx | actually, smaller cards will probably die quicker than bigger cards...or at least I would assume so |
| 23:41.17 | jott | pf still looking for a tiny micro usb - usb a adapter :/ |
| 23:41.46 | SDuensin | I keep looking at the 16G A-DATA cards on NewEgg. People reporting they work fine in the 800. 32G of space would be sweeeeet. |
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| 23:43.34 | By_Turkey | www.MircAlemTR.com < - < - < - Turkey GirLs Chat Channel . |
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| 23:52.04 | briand | SDuensin: if you have some spare cash lying around, just wait a month. The 32G cards are due out in March... reported to be ~ $300 retail. |
| 23:52.22 | SDuensin | Egads. |
| 23:52.33 | briand | ..and, if 32G is sweet, 64 should be even sweeter! |
| 23:52.41 | SDuensin | I'm having trouble justifying anything more than 2G - not filled that yet! |
| 23:52.43 | SDuensin | :-) |
| 23:52.52 | briand | seriously, though.. I wouldn't be surprised to see the 16G card prices drop a bit after the 32G cards come out |
| 23:53.10 | SDuensin | I think my next additions to the 800 will be a screen protector, a nicer case, and a keyboard. |
| 23:53.26 | johnx | another 2GB - 4GB card would be nice |
| 23:53.33 | johnx | that and a keyboard :) |
| 23:53.38 | SDuensin | Not found a case I like yet and the keyboards I find are either waaay to geeky or large. |
| 23:54.08 | johnx | well, I'll go shopping this weekend and hope I find something good |
| 23:54.18 | SDuensin | :-) |
| 23:54.48 | SDuensin | Ever see the "laser" keyboards? Super cool, but man, super geeky. I just can't see whippin' that out in a resturant. |
| 23:55.10 | johnx | And you couldn't do anything with it on anything but a perfectly flat surface |
| 23:55.24 | jott | SDuensin: hehe you need some geeky glasses with white leds for that too :P |
| 23:55.42 | SDuensin | johnx - Yea. Surface can't vary more than 2mm. |
| 23:56.02 | johnx | yeah...that's not gonna be to helpful to me I think |
| 23:56.22 | SDuensin | Be hard for me to use on the couch, that's for sure. |
| 23:56.23 | jott | yeah just use the good old foldable keyboards :) |
| 23:56.32 | jott | still need to get a bluetooth one.. |
| 23:56.42 | SDuensin | Me too. |
| 23:56.42 | johnx | hopefully I can find a small keyboard (I know I've seen one around in stores around here)...and then I'll try and figure out a way to attach the N800 to it |
| 23:57.28 | johnx | maybe go to a hardware store and find some type of metal bracket and attach it at an angle |
| 23:58.15 | SDuensin | Any truth to the rumor that Nokia has another model in the works? |
| 23:58.23 | briand | I'm using an HP case (don't know what it was originally for) that holds the n800 quite nicely. clips to my belt, and there's a couple spots to slip in 2 extra SD cards, too |
| 23:58.55 | johnx | SDuensin, well I'd be willing to bet they're working on something, but I have no idea what it is or when it will come out |
| 23:59.12 | briand | johnx - if you build or buy an OTG adapter (there's a guy in canada, jolouis, selling them on the forum), you can plug in any USB keyboard and use it. |
| 23:59.32 | johnx | ...as long as it doesn't want too much power |
| 23:59.56 | briand | right. but most keyboards will work, as well as snagging photos from your digital camera, etc |