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| 00:07.05 | lopz | re |
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| 00:29.36 | corevette | i just installed os2007 HE and it keeps crashing, is there a program or something i can do to make it stop? |
| 00:30.54 | pupnik | the OS? |
| 00:30.54 | _Monkey | the os is the thing that gets apps into the problem in the first place, and the only thing it can do to deal with it is go around shooting things |
| 00:30.56 | pupnik | or browser |
| 00:30.56 | _Monkey | browser is open sources |
| 00:31.01 | pupnik | STFU MONKEY |
| 00:31.13 | GeneralAntilles | He really needs a trigger. |
| 00:31.15 | corevette | so what should i do |
| 00:31.29 | pupnik | I need a gun |
| 00:31.57 | pupnik | ok script monkey fuck time is coming up real soon now |
| 00:32.10 | pupnik | every god damn word in the dictionary is getting unlearned bitch ass bot |
| 00:32.19 | pupnik | sorry corevette - when does it crash? |
| 00:32.33 | corevette | browsing the web mostly pupnik |
| 00:33.03 | pupnik | you have a new version of 2007he? |
| 00:33.12 | pupnik | there was a memory leak that got fixed 3 weeks ago |
| 00:33.15 | corevette | yes pupnik |
| 00:33.23 | corevette | how do i tell which is latest and which version i have |
| 00:33.39 | pupnik | the filename you flashed |
| 00:34.29 | corevette | SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_MR0 |
| 00:34.31 | corevette | what is latest |
| 00:34.42 | corevette | wait |
| 00:34.43 | corevette | SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.45-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM |
| 00:37.01 | corevette | pupnik: wheri s latest versiON |
| 00:37.20 | pupnik | i dunno |
| 00:38.00 | pupnik | _Monkey: forget a |
| 00:38.00 | _Monkey | pupnik, I didn't have anything matching a |
| 00:38.05 | pupnik | _Monkey: forget b |
| 00:38.05 | _Monkey | pupnik, I didn't have anything matching b |
| 00:38.06 | pupnik | _Monkey: forget c |
| 00:38.07 | _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot c |
| 00:38.08 | pupnik | _Monkey: forget d |
| 00:38.08 | _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot d |
| 00:38.09 | pupnik | _Monkey: forget e |
| 00:38.10 | _Monkey | pupnik, I didn't have anything matching e |
| 00:38.11 | pupnik | _Monkey: forget f |
| 00:38.11 | _Monkey | pupnik, I didn't have anything matching f |
| 00:38.13 | pupnik | _Monkey: forget g |
| 00:38.14 | _Monkey | pupnik, I didn't have anything matching g |
| 00:38.16 | pupnik | _Monkey: forget h |
| 00:38.17 | _Monkey | pupnik, I didn't have anything matching h |
| 00:38.18 | pupnik | _Monkey: forget i |
| 00:38.19 | _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot i |
| 00:38.31 | GeneralAntilles | j. ;) |
| 00:38.33 | pupnik | _Monkey: I is <reply> |
| 00:38.33 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik. |
| 00:38.43 | pupnik | FUCKHEAD BOT |
| 00:40.27 | pupnik | nobody |
| 00:40.27 | _Monkey | i guess nobody is outgoing. they have trouble making friends themselves if they move |
| 00:40.33 | pupnik | FUCK HEAD BOT |
| 00:40.39 | pupnik | YOU ARE GOD DAMN GOING DOWN |
| 00:41.04 | pupnik | who did this thing |
| 00:41.06 | pupnik | timeless? |
| 00:41.07 | _Monkey | timeless is probably the microb architect |
| 00:41.09 | pupnik | milhouse? |
| 00:41.09 | _Monkey | milhouse is the owner of _monkey |
| 00:41.14 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 00:41.14 | pupnik | there we go |
| 00:41.36 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.31 | corevette | pupnik: ping |
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| 00:44.11 | corevette | should i use: "2nd FIASCO image of the OS 2007 Hacker Edition for Nokia 770 Internet Tablets" or the "LATEST FIASCO image of the OS 2007 Hacker Edition for Nokia 770 Internet Tablets" |
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| 00:50.32 | pupnik | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489 |
| 00:50.38 | pupnik | vote in ITT poll |
| 00:52.05 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 00:52.12 | GeneralAntilles | You're slipping, pupnik. :P |
| 00:52.41 | pupnik | thanks |
| 00:53.00 | pupnik | for voting |
| 00:53.18 | pupnik | oh we will be annoying |
| 00:53.26 | pupnik | the royal we, you understand |
| 00:53.38 | pupnik | the ~schizophrenic~ we |
| 00:54.52 | pupnik | _Monkey: forget monkey |
| 00:54.52 | _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot monkey |
| 00:56.15 | pupnik | _Monkey: monkey is an incredibly, extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions the words occurring before "is" or "are". Such as the word "monkey". |
| 00:56.16 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik. |
| 00:56.21 | pupnik | monkey? |
| 00:56.21 | _Monkey | monkey is an incredibly, extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions the words occurring before "is" or "are". Such as the word "monkey". |
| 00:56.31 | pupnik | _Monkey: forget monkey |
| 00:56.31 | _Monkey | pupnik: I forgot monkey |
| 00:57.09 | pupnik | _Monkey: monkey is an incredibly, extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions the words occurring before "is" or "are". Such as the word "monkey". PLEASE VOTE ON WHETHER YOU WANT THIS BEHAVIOR TO STOP HERE -=-->>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://w |
| 00:57.17 | pupnik | monkey? |
| 00:57.23 | pupnik | hah |
| 00:57.38 | pupnik | corevette: i dunno |
| 00:57.42 | Robot101 | pupnik: this is more annoying than the bot ever was |
| 00:57.46 | pupnik | corevette: i went back to 2006 |
| 00:57.54 | Robot101 | pupnik: why not just ask milhouse to make it only speak when spoken to? |
| 00:57.58 | pupnik | annoying is in the mind of the annoyed |
| 00:58.00 | Robot101 | they can be very useful |
| 00:58.08 | pupnik | because many people have done so for months |
| 00:58.17 | Robot101 | a la, foo: tell bar about baz |
| 00:58.37 | Robot101 | why do you think a survey will help any? :P |
| 00:58.39 | pupnik | vote in the poll! |
| 00:59.00 | pupnik | multiboot? |
| 00:59.00 | _Monkey | multiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card |
| 00:59.07 | pupnik | monkey? |
| 00:59.23 | pupnik | _monkey: forget monkey |
| 00:59.23 | _Monkey | pupnik, I didn't have anything matching monkey |
| 00:59.47 | pupnik | _Monkey: monkey is an incredibly, extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions the words occurring before "is" or "are". Such as the word "monkey". PLEASE VOTE ON WHETHER YOU WANT THIS BEHAVIOR TO STOP HERE: http://www.internettablettalk.com/for |
| 00:59.48 | _Monkey | that entry is too long, pupnik |
| 00:59.48 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik. |
| 01:00.05 | pupnik | _Monkey: monkey is an incredibly, extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions the words occurring before "is" or "are". Such as the word "monkey". VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489 |
| 01:00.05 | _Monkey | i'm sorry, but that entry is too long, pupnik |
| 01:00.06 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik. |
| 01:00.48 | pupnik | _Monkey: monkey is an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey". VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489 |
| 01:00.48 | _Monkey | OK, pupnik. |
| 01:01.53 | *** topic/#maemo by pupnik -> monkey is an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey". VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489 |
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| 01:16.32 | zerojay | pupnik: Hell yeah. |
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| 01:16.44 | penguinbait | cdroms anyone? |
| 01:16.44 | zerojay | change bot? |
| 01:16.45 | _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right |
| 01:16.48 | penguinbait | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12491&goto=newpost |
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| 01:17.04 | zerojay | Awww.. it didn't crash. |
| 01:17.07 | zerojay | Damn it. |
| 01:17.10 | zerojay | change life? |
| 01:17.11 | _Monkey | zerojay: that doesn't look right |
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| 03:01.11 | corevette | how do i connect my 770 to my computer via vncviewer? |
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| 03:11.18 | GeneralAntilles | install x11vnc and connect |
| 03:22.48 | oil | GeneralAntilles: is the vnc-server available for os2008 yet? if it is, on which repository? |
| 03:22.58 | GeneralAntilles | Just pull it from the bora repo |
| 03:23.01 | GeneralAntilles | it works fine. |
| 03:23.14 | zerojay | It does? |
| 03:23.34 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/n800.html |
| 03:23.37 | GeneralAntilles | The proof. ;) |
| 03:29.24 | oil | hmm. I just can find vncviewer, not the server |
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| 03:31.28 | GeneralAntilles | http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 |
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| 03:36.44 | edt | how difficult is the port to os2008? If its not too hard would someone beable to complete pwsafe-1.2 for it? Its the one app stopping me from going to the new os on my n800. |
| 03:37.30 | oil | GeneralAntilles: big thanks. it does work |
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| 03:39.10 | e-squizo | I have the feeling that my scratchbox installation is botched (my fault), and I want to reinstall it from scratch... is there a recommended procedure to uninstalll scratchbox (I installed it through the script) |
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| 03:43.16 | halley | Well, the N810 "map" app is nowhere near as polished as a Garmin, but it does have a lot better data than my 10 year old unit. |
| 03:44.01 | halley | I thought running the screen for a 45min drive would drain the battery to nothing, too. |
| 03:44.39 | GeneralAntilles | It's hard to compete with a Garmin. |
| 03:44.47 | GeneralAntilles | The Nuvis are some pretty hot shit these days. |
| 03:45.26 | halley | Agreed, though I don't give a crap about the point-to-point-turn-here-drive-two-miles-turn-there features. |
| 03:45.44 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 03:45.47 | halley | I just want to be able to *effortlessly* mark where I am, and then tell it which marks I want to approach. |
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| 03:46.50 | halley | The Garmin is good at that, this map software has a long way to go. It required several presses to save a new mark (not counting the typing). |
| 03:51.44 | halley | One bug in the map software; if I disable the GPS, it starts asking every 10sec "Do you want to enable GPS? [OK] [Cancel]" no matter what I'm doing. |
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| 04:06.18 | truenix | hey guys.. still looking for ruby-dbus download for n800.. anyone know of a site? |
| 04:07.36 | truenix | or a good libconic tutorial for n800 |
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| 05:07.36 | a-l-p-h-a | is samba |
| 05:07.50 | a-l-p-h-a | samba is |
| 05:08.07 | a-l-p-h-a | hmm... okay... is there a samba client for os2007 hacker edition? |
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| 06:49.59 | corevette | do you think it would be possible to create my desktop resolution on my pc the same as my 770 so when I use vnc, it loads exactly what is on the screen? |
| 06:50.48 | corevette | without scrolling |
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| 07:24.01 | K`zan | Night folks |
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| 07:49.01 | ptit_seb | Hi, I have question on GPS Navicore for n770 |
| 07:50.00 | ptit_seb | I would like use module bluetooth an software naviore on n800 instead of n770 |
| 07:50.21 | ptit_seb | is what it works? |
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| 07:56.58 | GeneralAntilles | ptit_seb, what's this thing you call "n770"? |
| 07:57.41 | GeneralAntilles | Also: yes. |
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| 07:58.23 | ptit_seb | I call n770, the Nokia Tablet n770 |
| 07:58.39 | GeneralAntilles | There's no such thing as an "n770" |
| 07:58.43 | GeneralAntilles | There's a 770. |
| 07:58.46 | GeneralAntilles | But no "n770" |
| 07:59.36 | GeneralAntilles | The bundled GPS unit will work on any of the Nokia ITs (770/N800/N810) |
| 07:59.37 | ptit_seb | ok |
| 07:59.39 | ptit_seb | sorry ;) |
| 08:00.29 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure about moving the software license |
| 08:00.44 | GeneralAntilles | but I'm fairly certain it'll be usable with the new bundled Map application in OS2008. |
| 08:01.19 | ptit_seb | even if the OS differs (OS2006 for 770 and OS2007 for n800...) |
| 08:01.38 | GeneralAntilles | The bluetooth GPS unit will work with anything |
| 08:01.39 | keesj | wow. video calling with gizmo on the n800/n810! |
| 08:01.50 | GeneralAntilles | The software is available for both the 770 and the N800 |
| 08:02.00 | GeneralAntilles | and the licenses should work on both. |
| 08:02.06 | dhr | has anyone here used Nokia LD-3W GPS with "mapper"? |
| 08:02.17 | GeneralAntilles | It will work fine, dhr. |
| 08:02.28 | dhr | wow -- just as I was typing my query, GPS comes up in discussion! |
| 08:02.28 | keesj | with skype 2.0 beta video calling for linux we might even get two programs who perform good video calling |
| 08:03.09 | dhr | I'm trying to use "mapper", the variant of maemo-mapper meant for Open Street Map |
| 08:03.21 | dhr | It does not seem to see the GPS unit. |
| 08:03.38 | ptit_seb | OK, it is by the fact that I have one 770 with GPS and I like to buy one n800 (not n810) but not to buy a second time GPS! |
| 08:04.21 | dhr | I have the navcore software, but for the wrong continent :-). It seems to see the GPS (more lights blink on the GPS with navcore than anything else). |
| 08:05.30 | dhr | with a lot of work, mapper can get into a mode saying "searching for GPS". But it doesn't yet find it. |
| 08:08.13 | GeneralAntilles | There may be an option under prefs, dhr. |
| 08:08.16 | GeneralAntilles | What OS are you running? |
| 08:08.55 | GeneralAntilles | I know there was some issue with earlier builds of 2.0 not acquiring GPS |
| 08:09.00 | GeneralAntilles | if mapper is some kind of fork |
| 08:09.05 | GeneralAntilles | it may not have the patches |
| 08:09.16 | GeneralAntilles | Should you be able to use maemo mapper with OSM with the main branch? |
| 08:09.41 | ptit_seb | OS2207 |
| 08:09.51 | ptit_seb | sorry OS2007 |
| 08:10.41 | dhr | I'm using http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User:Onion/Mapper |
| 08:10.58 | dhr | My OS is 2006. |
| 08:11.54 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting |
| 08:12.01 | GeneralAntilles | mapper I can't help with |
| 08:12.08 | dhr | I have some bluetooth applet (I don't know the correct term) installed with an icon in the top right bar. |
| 08:12.24 | GeneralAntilles | OS2006 is older than I remember clearly. |
| 08:12.27 | dhr | OK, I'll remove mapper and try maemo-mapper. |
| 08:12.40 | GeneralAntilles | I don't recall if I used a 3rd party bluetooth plugin or not. |
| 08:13.11 | dhr | what OS do you recommend for a 770? |
| 08:15.04 | GeneralAntilles | Right now? Probably OS2006 |
| 08:15.30 | dhr | the bluetooth plugin package is called maemo-bt-plugin (I just checked) |
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| 08:18.58 | dhr | GeneralAntilles: my application manager offers me maemo-mapper 1.3.5 -- is that too old? You mentioned 2.0 |
| 08:19.17 | GeneralAntilles | Seems like it should be 1.4.2 or 4.3 |
| 08:19.22 | GeneralAntilles | 2.0 is OS2007 or better |
| 08:19.32 | GeneralAntilles | Check maemo mapper's website. |
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| 08:21.25 | dhr | It looks as if 2.x can run on os2006. Is that a wise choice? |
| 08:21.33 | GeneralAntilles | Yes and no |
| 08:21.34 | dhr | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-mapper/ |
| 08:21.38 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, because it's fucking awesome. |
| 08:21.48 | GeneralAntilles | and no, because it's a little slower than 1.x |
| 08:22.00 | GeneralAntilles | Though it gives you about a 50% storage savings with map caching. |
| 08:22.20 | dhr | we want to get something up for creating OSM maps. A mapping weekend here. |
| 08:25.48 | doc|home | so, anyone know when libglade stuff will be fixed? :/ |
| 08:29.01 | GeneralAntilles | Any luck pulling the bora edition? |
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| 08:36.56 | lopz | bye |
| 08:38.42 | dhr | this is painful for a newbie. maemo-mapper requires libsqlite3. applications manager only offers me sqlite0. How is one supposed to find what repos are prudent to include? |
| 08:39.45 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo2 |
| 08:39.48 | GeneralAntilles | Searchable and everything |
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| 08:43.49 | dhr | now I'm really confused. I have eko.one.pl enabled and it has libsqlite3. So why does application manager not offer it? |
| 08:44.47 | dpb_ | because it's a library and you're not in red pill mode |
| 08:45.03 | GeneralAntilles | It should resolve it, though. |
| 08:45.14 | GeneralAntilles | refresh the repos and try installing maemo mapper. |
| 08:47.44 | dhr | well, it didn't offer me a nice version of maemo-mapper so I downloaded it and used dpkg -i. I tried to specify the .deb to application manager but its file selector could not see /home/user/... |
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| 08:48.21 | GeneralAntilles | apt-get install libsqlite3 wont work? |
| 08:48.47 | dhr | "apt-get install libsqlite3" didn't work either. |
| 08:48.54 | GeneralAntilles | Huh |
| 08:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | Well, red-pill isn't a bad place to start |
| 08:49.03 | GeneralAntilles | Add a new repo |
| 08:49.09 | GeneralAntilles | type in "matrix" in the URL field |
| 08:49.12 | GeneralAntilles | then hit cancel |
| 08:49.18 | GeneralAntilles | and select the red pill. |
| 08:49.23 | dhr | wow! |
| 08:49.50 | GeneralAntilles | Then try the apt-get install again. |
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| 08:50.49 | GeneralAntilles | You know what I don't miss? OS2005. |
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| 08:52.31 | dhr | still doesn't work. I had better stare at my repo declarations. |
| 08:53.30 | GeneralAntilles | http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/libsqlite3-0_3.3.8-1_armel.deb |
| 08:53.32 | GeneralAntilles | How about that? |
| 08:54.44 | dhr | right. That was what I was saying earlier. |
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| 08:58.29 | dhr | anything obviously wrong here?: http://pastebin.ca/802471 |
| 08:59.33 | dhr | some URLs end in / and some do not. Does that matter? |
| 09:00.26 | GeneralAntilles | No, not as far as I've ever been able to tell. |
| 09:00.32 | GeneralAntilles | It'd bitch at you if there were a problem. |
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| 09:01.52 | dhr | there are mysteries. A couple of hours ago, application manager complained that it could not get to a particular IPv6 IP address. |
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| 09:11.57 | dhr | now in needs libgpsmgr. gronmayer says that is only in maemo garage, for gregale. Does that mean I cannot use it? |
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| 09:12.16 | rothiel | Hi guys :) |
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| 09:26.29 | AD-N770 | bon dia / good morning |
| 09:26.36 | hugolp | maemo.org is behaving weird |
| 09:26.46 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org sucks. ;) |
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| 09:28.48 | hugolp | anyone can comment on Laika (the eclipse plugin for maemo) ? Im about to port one of my gtk programs to meamo and Im trying to figure out the best way |
| 09:29.17 | keesj | in what language is your app written?> |
| 09:29.45 | hugolp | c |
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| 09:33.20 | keesj | I don't know any users of that plugin |
| 09:34.09 | hugolp | the development seems outdated, it only talks about N770 and no changes since 2006 |
| 09:34.17 | hugolp | guess not the best option |
| 09:39.28 | timeless | would someone please tell me a safe way to get svn not to do recursive locking? |
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| 09:41.46 | GeneralAntilles | I could tell you an unsafe way. |
| 09:42.18 | timeless | i'm listening |
| 09:42.24 | GeneralAntilles | OK, get yourself a hammer. |
| 09:42.50 | timeless | go one |
| 09:42.52 | timeless | go on |
| 09:43.06 | GeneralAntilles | Now beat the server for about 5 minutes. |
| 09:43.09 | GeneralAntilles | You should be set. ;) |
| 09:43.29 | timeless | server's on the wrong side of at least one ocean |
| 09:43.38 | timeless | can you provide the plane tickets too? |
| 09:44.06 | hugolp | timeless: depending on wich side of the ocean I can do it for you |
| 09:44.08 | GeneralAntilles | I could tell you how to get them. |
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| 09:44.30 | timeless | hugolp: i think the box in question is in some secure hosting area |
| 09:44.52 | GeneralAntilles | First, you need that hammer again. |
| 09:44.58 | GeneralAntilles | Then find a ticket agent. |
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| 09:57.00 | Khertan | Hi ! |
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| 10:02.58 | inz | damnit, i think my laptop's hdd is done... |
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| 10:13.49 | GeneralAntilles | Who to I bitch to about the braindead backlight brightness controls? |
| 10:14.00 | GeneralAntilles | Why did they have to go and make the darkest setting super-bright? |
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| 10:29.09 | rocco | my battery life is awaful since the switch to beta 2008 is this known? |
| 10:29.17 | rocco | I oculd leave it on idle for about 3-4 days |
| 10:29.26 | rocco | it didn't even last a day now on 2008 |
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| 10:40.05 | GeneralAntilles | My guess is that you've got something running away |
| 10:40.07 | GeneralAntilles | RSS applet? |
| 10:40.08 | _Monkey | RSS applet is useless |
| 10:40.22 | GeneralAntilles | _Monkey forget rss applet |
| 10:40.22 | _Monkey | GeneralAntilles: I forgot rss applet |
| 10:40.44 | GeneralAntilles | _Monkey RSS applet is a CPU hog |
| 10:40.45 | _Monkey | OK, GeneralAntilles. |
| 10:42.33 | GeneralAntilles | But really, rocco, the best answer is to just plug it in when you're at home and not using it. |
| 10:42.48 | rocco | Really? |
| 10:42.58 | rocco | i just hate doing that to batteries |
| 10:43.07 | rocco | I know Lions are supposed to be ok with it |
| 10:43.10 | rocco | old habits die hard |
| 10:43.16 | rocco | there is no rss applet |
| 10:44.26 | GeneralAntilles | In truth, discharging the battery down to nothing all the time actually does a LOT more harm than anything else you could do (minus shorting it or leaving it in a hot car for a few days) |
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| 10:45.40 | rocco | oh i know that |
| 10:45.46 | rocco | I never go down to less than 2 bars |
| 10:45.50 | rocco | I was just suprised |
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| 10:45.59 | rocco | i used to get about 6 hours constant use |
| 10:46.04 | rocco | I use it about 15-30 a day |
| 10:46.18 | rocco | and it used to be left on all the time, and lasted about 4 days normally...and only went down to 2 bars |
| 10:46.25 | GeneralAntilles | I'm still sticking to the runaway idea. |
| 10:46.46 | GeneralAntilles | Also, have your connection habits changed? |
| 10:47.15 | rocco | no |
| 10:47.27 | rocco | the only thing I did do was enable usb host mode, but didn't use it |
| 10:47.33 | rocco | well only for a few seconds |
| 10:47.39 | rocco | plugged in a usb stick and copied a few files |
| 10:47.44 | rocco | then unmounted and disconnected |
| 10:50.38 | GeneralAntilles | Well, here's an incredibly unscientific test: |
| 10:51.00 | GeneralAntilles | open up xterm and leave the device idle for a few seconds |
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| 10:51.08 | GeneralAntilles | then run: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 10:51.09 | keesj | rocco on the n800 I never had more then max a few hours use |
| 10:51.40 | keesj | If I don't put it on the wall power all the time it's always empty(even overnight) |
| 10:51.51 | rocco | keesj, wow |
| 10:51.57 | rocco | mine was awesome |
| 10:52.13 | GeneralAntilles | I got 4-ish hours of video flying out to California for thanksgiving on OS2008 |
| 10:52.16 | keesj | I als have a 770 and that worked like you described, it was more like a phone and just kept running |
| 10:52.32 | keesj | on one battery? |
| 10:52.34 | GeneralAntilles | and about 5 hours of browsing at my layover in atlanta |
| 10:52.47 | GeneralAntilles | So, my battery life hasn't really changed from OS2007 |
| 10:52.54 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 10:53.00 | GeneralAntilles | I brought 3 with me |
| 10:53.02 | keesj | perhaps it's the wifi/gmail that hogs? |
| 10:53.40 | sven-tek | Hi! I run os2008 on n800 and experience that i can not unlock the screen. Second time now. It says press (i) and then # (enter button in the cross). It does not react when i press the # then, like the button was defective. Now i have to remove the battery because i cant do anything else. |
| 10:53.47 | rocco | i always turn off my wifi when not in use |
| 10:53.49 | GeneralAntilles | only changed it out once when I forgot to charge the morning before I left to come back. |
| 10:53.59 | GeneralAntilles | It's a known bug, sven-tek. |
| 10:54.03 | sven-tek | ok |
| 10:54.18 | GeneralAntilles | Vote here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2311 |
| 10:55.15 | sven-tek | cool there is a camera trick |
| 10:55.24 | sven-tek | cool idea |
| 10:56.37 | GeneralAntilles | Also, if anybody wants to get the lowest brightness setting back: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=102480#post102480 |
| 11:00.01 | rocco | seems to be freq scaling ok |
| 11:01.34 | GeneralAntilles | Then maybe wifi. |
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| 11:09.05 | GeneralAntilles | Call in sick. ;) |
| 11:09.11 | murrayc | Oh, can we order them now? |
| 11:09.32 | ccooke | GeneralAntilles: it's my last day at this job. :-) |
| 11:09.39 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 11:09.50 | ccooke | murrayc: I ordered mine on the 1st of November, IIRC |
| 11:10.10 | ccooke | ooh. They are actually now in stock at the place I ordered them |
| 11:10.23 | ccooke | yay - the one day nobody is going to be home all day, I'm expecting a delivery |
| 11:10.25 | ccooke | Perfect :-) |
| 11:10.36 | GeneralAntilles | Got a safe place for the driver to drop it? |
| 11:10.38 | lardman | still not in the UK Nokia shop though :( |
| 11:10.42 | GeneralAntilles | Leave a note and your cell number. ;) |
| 11:10.43 | murrayc | They aren't in the Nokia online shop for Germany yet. |
| 11:10.52 | ccooke | http://www.superetrader.co.uk/product_info.php?gad=CMDIu8kDEgg-s_Nh2Zr1URiY3OT-AyCY9p4z&products_id=2974&s=p |
| 11:11.06 | ccooke | (although the price has gone up a bit since I ordered) |
| 11:11.22 | ccooke | you can definitely get them cheaper |
| 11:12.16 | [pablo] | I never thought living in the states would be a benefit heh |
| 11:12.45 | ccooke | [pablo]: the UK has always been a bit overpriced for electronics |
| 11:13.00 | [pablo] | i didn't think it was that much |
| 11:13.15 | [pablo] | that's about $220 USD more than I paid for mine |
| 11:13.27 | ccooke | which is why I was very interested to note the companies that will let you rent a US postal address - one with a web interface, allowing you to ship anything that arrives there at very nice rates. |
| 11:13.51 | [pablo] | thats a pretty good idea |
| 11:14.23 | ccooke | I could get a macbook pro ordered in the US, shipped to the UK. Even including all the customs charges, I'd save about $1000 |
| 11:14.34 | [pablo] | wow |
| 11:14.45 | ccooke | (the price difference is about $1500. $500 is eaten by shipping and customs) |
| 11:15.16 | rocco | ccooke, wow |
| 11:15.25 | rocco | and it's all legal? |
| 11:15.58 | ccooke | rocco: yes. You rent the address, you have to send a form off to the USPS which registers you with them. |
| 11:16.09 | rocco | cool |
| 11:16.17 | ccooke | I found one company by accident, but a quick search found another four |
| 11:16.28 | ccooke | there's actually a working business model with competition. |
| 11:16.53 | rocco | cool |
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| 11:18.05 | lardman | get a flight over for $500 |
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| 11:18.21 | ccooke | http://www.usabox.com/ - I don't remember if this is the best of them |
| 11:18.31 | ccooke | lardman: then possibly get stung by customs on the way in... |
| 11:18.42 | lardman | perhaps... |
| 11:18.46 | lardman | :) |
| 11:19.14 | [pablo] | if you open it up they have no way of knowing you didn't leave with it do they? |
| 11:19.18 | ccooke | http://www.myus.com/ - this one has a rate calculator. Nice stuff. |
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| 11:29.43 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 11:30.05 | |tbb| | anyone knows where to get become root as deb file for n800 os2008, the wiki on ITT for os-application that works, doesnt work. |
| 11:32.12 | [pablo] | |tbb|: Eko One repo has the becomeroot package |
| 11:32.25 | [pablo] | works on OS2008 for n810 |
| 11:33.37 | |tbb| | plz post the repro |
| 11:34.07 | [pablo] | |tbb|: http://gronmayer.com/it/ and search for 'becomeroot' |
| 11:34.08 | florian | hi bedboi |
| 11:34.23 | bedboi | hey florian |
| 11:41.37 | |tbb| | is someone around who using succesfully a bt stereo-headset with a2dp on a n800 os2008? |
| 11:41.53 | |tbb| | [pablo]: thx |
| 11:42.39 | GeneralAntilles | No A2DP support under OS2008 yet. |
| 11:43.48 | |tbb| | no hack around? |
| 11:46.47 | [pablo] | not that I have seen |
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| 11:47.23 | GeneralAntilles | Kagu |
| 11:47.37 | niv_one_three | hi all, I am new here, I am reading about how to build my own kernel for the n800 |
| 11:47.37 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody getting fairly frequent desktop crashes under the new beta? |
| 11:48.20 | niv_one_three | I just want to make sure I understand: is the nokia provided kernel open? where may I see the source? |
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| 11:52.01 | |tbb| | GeneralAntilles: the hack which is described for os 2007 works for 2008? |
| 11:52.12 | GeneralAntilles | As far as I know. |
| 11:52.40 | sp3000 | niv_one_three: giyf? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/r/rx-34-kernel/ |
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| 11:53.15 | sp3000 | (ok, the link google turned up was to the bora variant, but... :) |
| 11:54.19 | niv_one_three | sp3000 thanks |
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| 12:10.40 | rocco | hmmm my n800 just rebooted |
| 12:10.44 | rocco | it was doing nothing |
| 12:10.49 | rocco | and suddenly just went |
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| 12:11.29 | solmumaha | it's not getting enough attention |
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| 12:12.00 | GeneralAntilles | rocco, evidently the hardware watchdog decided that something was hung. ;) |
| 12:12.05 | jumpula | rocco: using ad-hoc wlan networks? |
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| 12:17.09 | pupnik | monkey? |
| 12:17.09 | _Monkey | monkey is an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey". VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489 |
| 12:18.21 | rocco | very odd |
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| 12:23.58 | lardman | milhouse: what's your opinion of _Monkey? |
| 12:24.41 | zerojay | lardman: It's his bot, so what do you think he thinks of it? :) |
| 12:24.47 | sp3000 | gobbling up unaddressed factoids isn't a problem with a single-channel bot |
| 12:24.58 | sp3000 | spewing factoids unaddressed is :) |
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| 12:25.57 | lardman | I was just asking if he agrees that it should only speak when spoken to |
| 12:26.02 | lardman | was going to ask at least |
| 12:26.07 | zerojay | It shouldn't be here, period. |
| 12:26.34 | lardman | well some bots can be useful |
| 12:26.38 | lardman | for example: |
| 12:26.39 | lardman | ~pastebin |
| 12:26.40 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 12:26.48 | lardman | that's a useful use for a bot |
| 12:27.44 | pupnik | who made infobod? |
| 12:27.45 | pupnik | t |
| 12:27.46 | lardman | I wonder if Monkey remembers that now |
| 12:27.50 | lardman | pastebin? |
| 12:27.51 | _Monkey | hmmm... pastebin is http://maemo.pastebin.org |
| 12:28.01 | lardman | well, that's vaguely useful |
| 12:28.17 | zerojay | No, it's not. |
| 12:28.17 | pupnik | monkey does have a lot of useful factoids now |
| 12:28.36 | lardman | yes, just ought to be ask for them rather than randomly giving |
| 12:28.47 | lardman | s/ask/asked |
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| 12:29.26 | pupnik | agree |
| 12:31.01 | Khertan | someone know if it s possible to get all available wifi ap in python without gui ? |
| 12:31.23 | Khertan | or maybe is there a c code snippet that do that ? |
| 12:32.21 | timeless | czr: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/maemo/source/projects/haf/README |
| 12:32.31 | timeless | hopefully that'll get properly indexed |
| 12:32.45 | timeless | the first attempt at indexing maemo failed (the indexer was killed by dreamhost) |
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| 12:33.37 | zerojay | So I got my little hack to get songs Media Player plays to be sent to Maemoscrobbler... and it mostly works. |
| 12:33.38 | sp3000 | Khertan: gconf |
| 12:34.31 | sp3000 | hopefully without needing to parse bin/gconftool output... :| |
| 12:34.32 | |tbb| | could it be that sudo doesnt work on n800 os2008 anymore, ive installed it succesfully from the repro pupnik posted |
| 12:34.51 | |tbb| | now i type sudo gainroot and then it ask me for an password |
| 12:34.52 | zerojay | And then I somehow got a song called "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ01234567890" by "stdout" reported to last.fm. wtf. |
| 12:35.05 | MoRpHeUz | zerojay: hehehe =) |
| 12:35.23 | sp3000 | stdout are awesome |
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| 12:35.28 | zerojay | http://www.last.fm/user/darkstalker |
| 12:35.43 | zerojay | Not quite sure how it happened. |
| 12:35.55 | zerojay | Everything else listed worked. |
| 12:36.06 | Khertan | sp3000: i don't need the know ap ... what i want is in discovering of all ap available ... |
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| 12:36.26 | sp3000 | ah. dunno |
| 12:36.27 | zerojay | Khertan: You'll have to do it in two passes, I believe. |
| 12:37.30 | |tbb| | anyone else got that problem? is the repro false? |
| 12:37.46 | sp3000 | "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ01234567890" rather sounds like a modern version of a jackson 5 song |
| 12:37.53 | zerojay | Hahaha. |
| 12:38.20 | sp3000 | the kind you would find in gh3 if the videos are any indication |
| 12:38.23 | Khertan | zerojay> in two passes ... maybe ... but how ? gconf only store know ap |
| 12:42.25 | GeneralAntilles | Works fine for me, |tbb|, did you try rootme? |
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| 12:46.40 | [pablo] | horray netsplit! |
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| 12:51.44 | timeless | nice |
| 12:51.53 | timeless | i'm now an anonymous poster to maemo-developers |
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| 12:57.56 | Khertan | grrrr stupid netsplit |
| 12:59.29 | |tbb| | pablo have u seen what i have posted? |
| 12:59.42 | [pablo] | no, what? |
| 13:00.05 | |tbb| | could it be that sudo gainroot doesnt work on n800 os2008 anymore, ive installed it succesfully from the repro pablo posted |
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| 13:00.37 | [pablo] | i'm not sure, i haven't used it on an n800 =/ |
| 13:00.45 | GeneralAntilles | It works fine, |tbb| |
| 13:00.47 | [pablo] | in theory it should be the same though |
| 13:00.50 | GeneralAntilles | did you try 'rootme'? |
| 13:01.01 | |tbb| | as password? |
| 13:01.03 | GeneralAntilles | If you can't get it to work, then you're doing something wrong. :) |
| 13:01.07 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 13:01.38 | |tbb| | Sorry, try again |
| 13:02.07 | GeneralAntilles | Did you change the password? |
| 13:02.42 | |tbb| | i was using becomeroot on n770 also on n800 with Os2007, also with the image of the n810 it always was working but now it wont work |
| 13:03.12 | GeneralAntilles | Have you been muxing around with sudoers or something? |
| 13:03.24 | GeneralAntilles | (there's no such thing as an 'n770' :)) |
| 13:03.30 | |tbb| | ive not changed the password also the password rootme has never worked for me on any tablet i was having |
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| 13:04.14 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting, it's always been rootme for me. |
| 13:04.23 | dpb_ | sudo doesn't use the root password. |
| 13:04.47 | [pablo] | |tbb|: have you changed your users password? |
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| 13:05.34 | [pablo] | the becomeroot package is designed to not require a password for the command though |
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| 13:06.12 | |tbb| | no i havent |
| 13:06.30 | |tbb| | damn got to reflash the device, then i am for sure |
| 13:07.09 | |tbb| | will a backup save the installed application and settings on that os2008 |
| 13:07.15 | [pablo] | yes |
| 13:07.41 | dpb_ | it saves the installed applications? |
| 13:08.16 | [pablo] | no, it saves what applications are installed, and reinstalls them |
| 13:08.16 | [pablo] | when you restore |
| 13:08.20 | [pablo] | but if you install from a .deb it wont be able to find it in the repo's |
| 13:08.25 | [pablo] | so you'll need to save those |
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| 13:08.36 | |tbb| | nice |
| 13:08.51 | [pablo] | i just created a debs directory in the backup directory on my memory card, and saved all the apps i install straight from a deb there |
| 13:08.55 | [pablo] | so they are there when I restore |
| 13:09.04 | |tbb| | will it change the user password if i allready have changed it (what i dont have!) |
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| 13:09.49 | [pablo] | i also ran into a small problem when restoring, it still disables maemo extras by default causing a lot of not found application and dependency conflicts, once restore finished I had to run apt-get -f install from command line before I could continue using package manager |
| 13:10.10 | dpb_ | don't think so.. |
| 13:10.24 | [pablo] | it shouldn't save that in the backup, but i haven't tried it |
| 13:10.27 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody having trouble with the desktop crashing when waking an attached bluetooth keyboard from sleep with the OS2008 beta? |
| 13:10.27 | GeneralAntilles | It makes note of what you have installed and reinstalls them when you restore the backup. |
| 13:10.27 | GeneralAntilles | Though it does not save menu positions, so you have to give it those again. |
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| 13:11.22 | [pablo] | GeneralAntilles: it saved manu position for some of my apps, not all of them though |
| 13:11.22 | GeneralAntilles | Didn't work that way for me, [pablo]. |
| 13:11.27 | GeneralAntilles | It did disable extras. |
| 13:11.40 | GeneralAntilles | but I didn't have any problem with reenabling it and running the restore process again. |
| 13:12.03 | GeneralAntilles | It didn't save menu position for any of mine |
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| 13:12.53 | GeneralAntilles | Nor did it keep the menu positions of the bundled apps. |
| 13:13.29 | [pablo] | yeah those didn't keep for me either |
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| 13:13.29 | GeneralAntilles | Bug 2393? |
| 13:13.29 | _Monkey | Bug 2393 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2393 |
| 13:13.29 | GeneralAntilles | Is the one. |
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| 13:13.43 | [pablo] | i'd have to do it again and pay attention, but i know all of the apps that prompt you where to install it in the menu remembered where I had had them, not sure what the other ones did |
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| 13:16.39 | GeneralAntilles | One of these should be resolved as duplicate, but which? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1965 |
| 13:18.11 | [pablo] | the first one? the second one seems to follow whatever guidelines there may be a bit better |
| 13:18.39 | GeneralAntilles | Good enough for me! |
| 13:20.51 | Tak | everybody at once: /help ignore |
| 13:22.33 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
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| 13:33.00 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 13:36.43 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy, Jaffa. |
| 13:36.49 | [pablo] | morning |
| 13:36.49 | _Monkey | aloha |
| 13:36.57 | [pablo] | heh |
| 13:37.09 | [pablo] | he's a conversational bot now too apparently? |
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| 13:37.59 | GeneralAntilles | _Monkey is many things, but 'useful' is not one of them. |
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| 13:43.20 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, what's the word on the browser liking to steal focus during activity while its in the background? |
| 13:43.20 | [pablo] | i wonder if he stored that =P |
| 13:43.26 | GeneralAntilles | Unlikely |
| 13:43.29 | GeneralAntilles | _Monkey? |
| 13:43.29 | _Monkey | GeneralAntilles? |
| 13:43.38 | [pablo] | sad |
| 13:45.40 | [pablo] | is there a command line equivelant of pressing the power button and selecting lock device? |
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| 13:47.54 | |tbb| | wow that backup tool rocks, now |
| 13:48.50 | |tbb| | k not really |
| 13:49.08 | |tbb| | if a installing progress fails it stops the whole process |
| 13:50.07 | |tbb| | how can i start it again, and do i have the chance to sort the order how the installing proccess should go, like 1. python 2. maemo-mapper 3....... |
| 13:50.15 | [pablo] | it didn't stop it for me, just prompted me to acknowledge that it did not work |
| 13:50.30 | GeneralAntilles | It's in the menu |
| 13:50.35 | [pablo] | main menu in application manager has a "restore application" option |
| 13:50.37 | GeneralAntilles | where refresh repos is |
| 13:50.48 | [pablo] | under tools |
| 13:50.51 | |tbb| | a k |
| 13:51.15 | dpb_ | [pablo]: most likely there's a dbus command to lock the device, but dunno what it is. :) |
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| 13:52.11 | [pablo] | the osso-statusbar-menu app allows running terminal commands from it's drop down, would be far more convenient than the power button heh |
| 13:52.21 | [pablo] | i shall start digging |
| 13:52.40 | |tbb| | when a programm is updated, will it allready download and install the updated version? |
| 13:53.29 | |tbb| | anyone familar with ukmp? |
| 13:53.44 | [pablo] | no, you have to click on check for updates, and update each app manually |
| 13:53.53 | inz | pablo, hint: mce-dev, dbus-send |
| 13:54.46 | inz | what is osso-statusbar-menu btw? |
| 13:55.16 | |tbb| | is vpnc only for cisco routers? |
| 13:56.50 | |tbb| | btw: i wonder how big is the community increase on irc in #maemo |
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| 13:57.20 | dpb_ | increase from what? |
| 13:57.33 | [pablo] | inz: a cpu/memory monitor |
| 13:57.43 | |tbb| | visitors instead of some years ago |
| 13:58.34 | [pablo] | inz: comes builtin with a 'take screenshot' option and allows you to add other commands to run from it's menu ... quite useful, although sticks out like a sore thumb in the 'tray' area |
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| 14:04.10 | hugolp | Hi |
| 14:04.33 | hugolp | can sdk 3.2 and skd 4.0 live in the same computer? |
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| 14:04.51 | alterego | hugol, all SDK's can live on the same machine. |
| 14:05.18 | hugolp | alterego: thanks |
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| 14:14.06 | [pablo] | ... /usr/share/docs/ is purged by something called docpurge? any idea how to have it not do that so I can read docs? |
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| 14:16.02 | kaltsi | [pablo]: apt-get remove docpurge ? |
| 14:16.07 | Andy80 | hi all |
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| 14:18.28 | kaltsi | [pablo]: it works by installing a script under /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ and whenever you install a package it empties those certain directories |
| 14:19.22 | [pablo] | kaltsi: can I just download the contents of a certain package from somehwhere? |
| 14:19.55 | kaltsi | [pablo]: most packages yes.. which are you interested in? |
| 14:20.42 | [pablo] | mce-dev |
| 14:21.16 | kaltsi | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/m/mce-dev/ |
| 14:21.25 | [pablo] | thank you =) |
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| 14:21.59 | kaltsi | that's in the SDK repository.. you can browse it with your browser http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/ like that.. not a good browsing experience however :) |
| 14:23.35 | |tbb| | is vpnc only for cisco routers? |
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| 14:37.19 | lopz | hola |
| 14:37.19 | _Monkey | hola, lopz |
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| 15:00.04 | florian | bedboi: I have something for you... |
| 15:04.44 | bedboi | what? |
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| 15:07.22 | florian | bedboi: Some gpe-sudoku stuff... check your GMail inbox :-) |
| 15:08.48 | bedboi | o |
| 15:08.49 | bedboi | ok |
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| 15:55.34 | Segnale007 | hi there |
| 15:55.35 | _Monkey | bonjour, Segnale007 |
| 15:57.32 | |tbb| | anyone familar with vpnc |
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| 16:06.15 | Jaffa | planet dead |
| 16:06.23 | Jaffa | it's the weekend :) |
| 16:06.38 | zoran | mars already dead |
| 16:08.50 | rothiel | re |
| 16:09.23 | rothiel | I have trouble with the sdk |
| 16:09.40 | rothiel | with ffmpeg... correctly installed |
| 16:09.56 | rothiel | but gcc returns me an error |
| 16:10.59 | rothiel | is there someone who succeeds to compile for N800 a prog with use of the ffmpeg library ? |
| 16:16.48 | Jaffa | rothiel: see mplayer in garage? |
| 16:17.18 | rothiel | I'm going to see that :) |
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| 16:45.49 | jikolup | is there anything in particular that needs to be done for the n810 gps to work other than launching the mapping application? |
| 16:46.47 | pupnik | well, first it needs to be built, paid-for, then delivered |
| 16:47.01 | jikolup | hehe :> |
| 16:47.16 | jikolup | I think mine is defective, it's not picking up any sattelites in the status bar |
| 16:47.21 | jikolup | I tried outdoors too but not result |
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| 16:49.22 | pupnik | they say it can take a few minutes |
| 16:49.35 | jikolup | yeah I left it for like 15minutes both outdoors and indoors |
| 16:49.39 | pupnik | ok |
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| 16:49.45 | pupnik | maybe the USA is about to attack your country |
| 16:50.13 | jikolup | good point, our satellites are jammed it seems like |
| 16:50.25 | jikolup | however my other gps works fine |
| 16:51.15 | pupnik | :/ |
| 16:51.25 | pupnik | i was hoping to use the gps in the N810 |
| 16:51.51 | jikolup | also it seems that the navigation part is not free |
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| 16:53.39 | pupnik | there's a free and a pay-service map |
| 16:53.57 | jikolup | I meant the navigation system |
| 16:54.42 | jikolup | I wonder if I have to register for that in order for it to work, they don't allow any registration until tomorrow (dec 1st) but that doesn't make sense the sattelite should pick up |
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| 17:24.23 | fysa | jikolup: try leaving it outdoors again for an hour or so. |
| 17:24.29 | fysa | BTW, where do you live? ;) |
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| 17:32.41 | czr | timelyx, at least README works now :-) |
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| 17:38.25 | jikolup | fysa miami |
| 17:38.32 | jikolup | fysa: I left it just now |
| 17:38.48 | fysa | sorry, I can't get there in an hour.. I'm way up in Tampa |
| 17:38.56 | fysa | :) |
| 17:39.39 | jikolup | hehe xD |
| 17:40.01 | jikolup | I guess it's because of the trees and stuff there is barely any eye of sight to the sky :> |
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| 17:40.22 | truenix | anyone use ruby-dbus at all? |
| 17:40.34 | felipec | truenix: I do |
| 17:40.46 | Segnale007 | hi there |
| 17:40.56 | felipec | or at least used to do |
| 17:41.00 | Segnale007 | I have just get a new and beautiful N800 |
| 17:41.09 | Segnale007 | I have installed osso-xterm |
| 17:41.11 | Segnale007 | but |
| 17:41.14 | Segnale007 | the question is |
| 17:41.27 | Segnale007 | what is the root password ? |
| 17:41.28 | _Monkey | the root password is rootme |
| 17:41.34 | Segnale007 | ah |
| 17:41.37 | Segnale007 | ok lol |
| 17:41.40 | truenix | felipec, first off once i get a service handle.. how do i get a list of available objects? |
| 17:41.41 | Segnale007 | ty |
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| 17:42.02 | truenix | felipec, and have you gotten it to work as is on n800? |
| 17:42.10 | truenix | i get Nil to String errors |
| 17:42.25 | Segnale007 | uhm |
| 17:42.39 | Segnale007 | rootme doesn't work :( |
| 17:42.49 | Segnale007 | help me please |
| 17:42.51 | czr | Segnale007, OS2008? |
| 17:42.56 | Segnale007 | no |
| 17:43.00 | Segnale007 | os2007 |
| 17:43.01 | _Monkey | os2007 is dead. |
| 17:43.04 | Segnale007 | lol |
| 17:43.08 | czr | Segnale007, how are you trying to get root? |
| 17:43.26 | truenix | download becomeroot and then use 'sudo gainroot' |
| 17:43.35 | Segnale007 | yah |
| 17:43.43 | Segnale007 | root doesn't work |
| 17:43.52 | felipec | truenix: it depends on the implementation you are using |
| 17:44.24 | truenix | https://trac.luon.net/data/ruby-dbus/tutorial |
| 17:44.44 | truenix | but im not partial to anything :P i just want something that works on the n800.. |
| 17:44.55 | truenix | if you have a recommendation i'll take it ;) |
| 17:45.05 | Segnale007 | somebody |
| 17:45.05 | _Monkey | somebody is probably filing bugs with the arm core to maemo.org bugzilla? |
| 17:45.07 | Segnale007 | told me |
| 17:45.13 | Segnale007 | try to install becomeroot |
| 17:45.25 | Segnale007 | and ok .. I don't know what is it |
| 17:45.31 | czr | bleh. can't I vote against monkey without registering for yet another account on yet another website |
| 17:45.31 | Segnale007 | but .. now I try |
| 17:45.39 | jikolup | Segnale007 you can use the flasher tool to enable rd mode and do sudo gainroot from an xterminal |
| 17:45.59 | felipec | truenix: I think that's the best implementation, I haven't worked with that on the n800 |
| 17:46.02 | jikolup | then reset the passwd to whatever |
| 17:46.03 | Segnale007 | ok man |
| 17:46.06 | Segnale007 | thanks |
| 17:46.11 | jikolup | np |
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| 17:46.28 | truenix | felipec, ok.. well once i got a service i want.. how do i get the possible object paths? |
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| 17:51.00 | felipec | truenix: p service.introspect ? |
| 17:53.43 | sp3000 | czr: meh, I think we have a consensus |
| 17:54.01 | czr | hi sp3000. on what? |
| 17:54.16 | sp3000 | on that which would be voted on |
| 17:54.28 | czr | what's the consensus then? |
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| 17:54.48 | czr | M should die? please tell it's so :-) |
| 17:55.05 | sp3000 | or, let's put it this way: seconds on "monkey should not talk when not addressed"? anyone opposed? |
| 17:55.19 | pupnik | monkey? |
| 17:55.20 | _Monkey | monkey is an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey". VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489 |
| 17:55.34 | sp3000 | I'll count that |
| 17:55.57 | czr | I don't oppose. spoken-to- would be very nice. |
| 17:56.01 | sp3000 | but, uhm, I don't think anyone's spoken up in support of the spewage |
| 17:56.09 | czr | why would they? |
| 17:56.29 | sp3000 | just saying, vote is funny when there's no other side to it :) |
| 17:56.50 | czr | maybe should also vote on "whether bots should be left running when the person running them is never around" |
| 17:57.05 | sp3000 | where a side is I think generally understood to be a set larger than one |
| 17:57.37 | czr | size can be zero too apparently, otherwise this would've been fixed ages ago :-) |
| 17:57.39 | sp3000 | speaking of waking up, I should go to bed |
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| 17:57.55 | czr | night sp3000 |
| 17:58.39 | sp3000 | we kinda have no enforcement :) |
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| 17:59.03 | *** part/#maemo ZaMaLaRz (n=eilws@ool-44c66c25.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 17:59.03 | sp3000 | ...that I know of |
| 17:59.03 | *** part/#maemo CfFfUbKv (n=oytng@adsl-75-40-189-137.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 17:59.03 | *** part/#maemo XnZpTzQs (n=jsycd@66.152.165.18) |
| 17:59.03 | *** part/#maemo RbDnDkMx (n=yakkw@adsl-69-151-173-30.dsl.hrlntx.swbell.net) |
| 17:59.03 | *** part/#maemo VhNcGyFe (n=fsrhi@cpe-74-70-57-152.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 17:59.04 | *** part/#maemo LhHbGjRu (n=ilnjr@adsl-68-20-222-152.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 17:59.04 | *** part/#maemo OpQuSsMl (n=tfucn@c-98-195-85-105.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 17:59.05 | *** part/#maemo IpOoIlTy (n=opvvw@77.105.50.60.klj03-home.tm.net.my) |
| 17:59.05 | *** part/#maemo GxIrAwPf (n=kqxdo@c-76-114-219-232.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 17:59.05 | *** part/#maemo AzKwScZv (n=xkywv@c-68-48-177-53.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 17:59.07 | *** part/#maemo YgOsLxZk (n=zgmtr@c58-107-82-7.blktn1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 17:59.09 | sp3000 | speaking of which |
| 17:59.32 | mgedmin | what the...? |
| 17:59.42 | sp3000 | or, siinä maha missä ... |
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| 18:00.52 | *** topic/#maemo by ZaMaLaRz -> Owned |
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| 18:01.06 | Palintheus | O.o |
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| 18:01.09 | *** part/#maemo IpOoIlTy (n=opvvw@77.105.50.60.klj03-home.tm.net.my) |
| 18:01.09 | sp3000 | kids <3 |
| 18:02.51 | *** topic/#maemo by mgedmin -> development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html |
| 18:03.04 | czr | sp3000, maha? |
| 18:03.17 | sp3000 | ...missä painitaan |
| 18:03.21 | czr | ah.. |
| 18:03.34 | mgedmin | "too bubbly"? |
| 18:03.38 | czr | I rather liked how the bot used powers-of-two algo when building the nicks |
| 18:04.06 | czr | I'm guessing the nicks are zombie host ips |
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| 18:05.06 | *** topic/#maemo by sp3000 -> development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html | milhouse, please make the bot not talk unless taked to, thanks. |
| 18:05.15 | *** topic/#maemo by sp3000 -> development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html | milhouse, please make the bot not talk unless talked to, thanks. |
| 18:05.20 | Tak | hey, leave me out of this! |
| 18:05.38 | sp3000 | I was themted to fix it to taktaktaked to |
| 18:05.42 | sp3000 | tempted even |
| 18:05.49 | czr | heh |
| 18:06.06 | czr | I've disabled join/parts as well. just looking at the nicks really |
| 18:06.12 | Tak | killer |
| 18:06.14 | czr | 4 two char "parts" for each nick |
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| 18:06.31 | czr | each two char could encode one octet of IPv4 |
| 18:06.53 | czr | although I'm not sure how the upper/lower-casing was set. didn't seem significant |
| 18:07.45 | mgedmin | ease of reading, perhaps |
| 18:08.26 | czr | hmm. MoRpHeUz, do you know anything of this? :-) |
| 18:08.33 | czr | your nick fits the bill ;-) |
| 18:09.43 | czr | hmm. too bad the irclog does not records ips |
| 18:09.57 | czr | "*** ZaMaLaRz changes topic to "Owned"" |
| 18:10.25 | czr | channel takeover attempt I guess |
| 18:10.40 | pupnik | sorry about the monkey topic. that was my fault. |
| 18:10.48 | hugolp | hi, wich gtk version do I need to compile a program for the N800? |
| 18:11.07 | mgedmin | the one from the SDK, perhaps? |
| 18:11.13 | jeff1f | http://www.5min.com/Video/Eavesdropping-on-Bluetooth-Headsets-925061 Another 770 bluetooth hacker |
| 18:11.16 | czr | pupnik, is it protected now? |
| 18:11.23 | pupnik | i dunno |
| 18:11.30 | *** topic/#maemo by czr -> argh |
| 18:11.33 | czr | guess not? |
| 18:11.52 | *** topic/#maemo by czr -> "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook | http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html" |
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| 18:12.10 | czr | hmm. anyone know who has ops for this channel? |
| 18:12.28 | mgedmin | Toni? |
| 18:12.32 | czr | so it seems |
| 18:12.50 | czr | "last seen 3 weeks 1 day" |
| 18:12.51 | czr | bleh |
| 18:13.01 | czr | any secondaries? |
| 18:13.43 | pupnik | apparently not me! |
| 18:13.45 | pupnik | :) |
| 18:13.50 | mgedmin | /msg chanserv access #maemo list |
| 18:13.56 | mgedmin | I don't know any of those people |
| 18:14.06 | czr | ah, thanks mgedmin |
| 18:14.10 | czr | tsavola, ping |
| 18:14.44 | tsavola | czr: yo |
| 18:14.52 | czr | tsavola, you can get chanops on request? |
| 18:15.00 | czr | at least i=tsavola@ext-ssh.movial.fi can |
| 18:15.05 | pupnik | wow fuchs has been into maemo since long time |
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| 18:15.15 | tsavola | czr: i don't think i can anymore :) |
| 18:15.30 | czr | tsavola, heh. do you know "Toni"? |
| 18:15.30 | tsavola | because of that weird nat/movial/x-gayness |
| 18:15.33 | tsavola | czr: yes |
| 18:15.46 | czr | tsavola, can you ask him to pop in on the channel and protect the topic against changes? |
| 18:15.58 | tsavola | czr: send mail to toni.willberg@movial.fi |
| 18:15.59 | czr | and fix your access so that we can at least ask you to do something when necessary |
| 18:16.21 | czr | ah |
| 18:16.23 | czr | Toni_, around? |
| 18:16.38 | mgedmin | hiding behind an underscore! |
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| 18:16.47 | czr | Toni_, when/if you are, please check the scrollback from here up. |
| 18:16.49 | czr | indeed |
| 18:17.03 | pupnik | what's the problem, czr? |
| 18:17.33 | mgedmin | vandal bots changing /topic |
| 18:17.39 | czr | yes |
| 18:17.51 | mgedmin | but what's the proposed solution? |
| 18:18.20 | mgedmin | it's not that hard to go to http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=topic and restore the last sane topic |
| 18:18.21 | pupnik | chuck norris |
| 18:18.22 | _Monkey | chuck norris is a supreme being |
| 18:18.28 | czr | heh pupnik |
| 18:18.34 | czr | mgedmin, unless you want to battle with bots |
| 18:18.43 | czr | mgedmin, these ones were nice, they left after changing |
| 18:18.50 | czr | or rather, this one |
| 18:19.17 | czr | I don't know how these things are normally kept in place. most chans where I hang around have protected topics |
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| 18:21.01 | czr | doesn't seem to happen too often. 12 topic changes since Oct 02, including the ones above |
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| 18:32.19 | bunk | hi, is anyone here how could tell me where to find the sources for the BusyBox v1.00 in the RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4 initfs? |
| 18:33.20 | trenka | busybox.net ? |
| 18:33.46 | bunk | trenka: well, sources including the configuration used |
| 18:33.50 | bunk | -whois trenka |
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| 18:38.36 | czr | mgedmin, no vmware? :-) |
| 18:38.39 | TheFool2 | anyone around? I have a really dumb question? |
| 18:38.48 | mgedmin | czr: no apt-gettable vmware in gutsy |
| 18:39.05 | czr | mgedmin, true. I kind of miss that. you could always install one yourself |
| 18:39.11 | elb | TheFool2: it's generally best to ask your question directly, not ask to ask |
| 18:39.15 | TheFool2 | I am trying to figure out how to copy something from x to y using the file manager. The default is move. |
| 18:39.17 | mgedmin | I could always install scratchbox directly myself |
| 18:39.19 | mgedmin | I'm just lazy |
| 18:39.29 | czr | lazy is good mgedmin |
| 18:39.30 | TheFool2 | Just wanted to make sure I was not asking it to an empty room |
| 18:39.31 | bunk | trenka: according to the GPL, you should offer them when you offer the initfs |
| 18:39.44 | czr | bunk, busybox is not GPL afaik |
| 18:39.47 | mgedmin | TheFool2: if you ask something in an empty room, you'll notice it after a while :-) |
| 18:40.07 | mgedmin | TheFool2: I think you can use the copy/paste metaphor on the tablets |
| 18:40.12 | bunk | czr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busybox#GPL_lawsuits |
| 18:40.12 | TheFool2 | hehe, but with my luck 2 hours later someone will answer and I will miss it |
| 18:40.14 | trenka | bunk: sure, sure, we are working on it, honestly |
| 18:40.14 | czr | and whether configuration is part of the changed source has always been slightly debatable :-) |
| 18:40.22 | mgedmin | TheFool2: or maybe find a Copy to... item in the popup menu that you get when you tap and hold |
| 18:40.25 | elb | buzybox *is* GPL |
| 18:40.31 | czr | ah, ok. my bad |
| 18:40.42 | czr | uclibc is not? |
| 18:40.55 | czr | I seem to remember that something was LGPL (wouldn't fix this issue though, but still) |
| 18:40.58 | TheFool2 | hehe, cool. Did not realize there was a popup menu |
| 18:41.45 | TheFool2 | I don't usually but its nice to be able to copy songs from my phone and back. I was stuck "moving" them before. And that really sucked |
| 18:41.49 | mgedmin | okay, there's Edit -> Copy, but no Copy to..., so only my first suggestion was right |
| 18:42.02 | mgedmin | I think you can also drag-and-hold |
| 18:42.10 | bunk | trenka: OK, sorry, I just had problems parsing the "no answer" ;-) |
| 18:42.16 | mgedmin | to get a small popup menu, but don't quote me on that |
| 18:43.05 | trenka | bunk: I'm not a 'legal guy', so just cannot provide anything myself, sorry :( |
| 18:43.06 | TheFool2 | yep, that works as well :) |
| 18:43.43 | bunk | czr: regarding configuration: clause 3 of the GPL says "plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable" |
| 18:44.10 | bunk | trenka: OK, any time window when it might happen? |
| 18:45.10 | bunk | trenka: (not meant to push or anything, just asking) |
| 18:45.17 | czr | bunk, and conf? |
| 18:45.29 | TheFool2 | does anyone here use canola? And if not what is typically used fo accessing remote media? |
| 18:45.30 | trenka | cannot promise anything, as soon as possible. Hope week or two |
| 18:45.41 | bunk | trenka: OK |
| 18:45.50 | bedboi | anyone has found out how the maemo catalog works? |
| 18:46.18 | k-s | TheFool2: I develop canola |
| 18:46.18 | bedboi | it's not clear to me which applications go to "popular" selection |
| 18:46.28 | TheFool2 | k-s: lol, cool |
| 18:46.39 | k-s | TheFool2: lots of other folks here do too |
| 18:46.45 | TheFool2 | k-s: I am really looking forward to the next release |
| 18:47.02 | k-s | TheFool2: we're not much alive in the channel because we need to hurry to have 2.0 alpha1 in time |
| 18:47.12 | k-s | TheFool2: it's getting ready :-) |
| 18:47.26 | bedboi | k-s: you mean you have a specific date? |
| 18:47.34 | k-s | bedboi: sure |
| 18:47.39 | k-s | bedboi: but it's a surprise |
| 18:47.41 | bedboi | is it public? |
| 18:47.42 | bedboi | ah |
| 18:47.42 | k-s | it's soon |
| 18:47.43 | bedboi | damn |
| 18:47.43 | k-s | :-) |
| 18:48.00 | k-s | bedboi: we'll have some closed group of testers to begin |
| 18:48.03 | k-s | then public, yes |
| 18:48.09 | k-s | just like the other release |
| 18:48.11 | TheFool2 | k-s: I am having some issues getting the current version to access media server via mt-daap and gmediaserver. It sees the files fine but won't play anything |
| 18:48.15 | bunk | czr: "scripts used to control compilation"; IANAL, but it's really hard to argue this would not include the configuration these scripts were using |
| 18:48.22 | k-s | we had some guys to test it and give feedback, then public |
| 18:48.32 | bedboi | ah o |
| 18:48.33 | bedboi | ok |
| 18:48.34 | TheFool2 | k-s: Is this a known issue or a "I have bad luck" issue |
| 18:48.37 | k-s | TheFool2: ok, gmediasrever is not good |
| 18:48.41 | k-s | TheFool2: use fuppes |
| 18:48.47 | k-s | it's the best free upnp for linux |
| 18:48.56 | k-s | twonky and others are good too, but commercial |
| 18:49.09 | czr | bunk, I agree with you, don't take it wrong, but IANAL as well and sometimes the conf is just omitted even when claiming complicance (and yes, it does violate the spirit of GPL even if not the letter of it) |
| 18:49.11 | TheFool2 | fuppes it is then, how about daap though? |
| 18:49.21 | k-s | brisa and coherence (from our friend "dev") are also good choices |
| 18:49.46 | czr | bunk, you might want to file a bug in bugzilla on this? |
| 18:49.51 | k-s | TheFool2: daap depends on the server |
| 18:50.03 | k-s | TheFool2: we use libdmapsharing (from source force) |
| 18:50.07 | czr | that way it will be an "visible" issue and might help people to avoid similar stuff in the future (not just with busybox) |
| 18:50.11 | k-s | TheFool2: it's from our developer andrunko |
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| 18:50.28 | k-s | TheFool2: I dunno, he is the best option to answer that |
| 18:50.36 | TheFool2 | cool, so the problem here was the servers I was using not canola? |
| 18:50.49 | k-s | TheFool2: for upnp, yes |
| 18:50.56 | k-s | TheFool2: for dmap, no sure |
| 18:51.08 | k-s | TheFool2: our player workflow is like this: |
| 18:51.18 | k-s | get URL from some server and send to osso media player |
| 18:51.24 | k-s | we don't actually play anything |
| 18:51.47 | k-s | so if your UPnP server is exporting correct HTTP addresses, then osso media player will play |
| 18:52.11 | k-s | if you have gnomevfs-dmapsharing (canola depends on it and it should go automatically), then it will play dmap too |
| 18:52.36 | k-s | TheFool2: if you have some problems with osso media server, using our Mplayer plugin could help |
| 18:52.47 | k-s | TheFool2: this plugin is in our extra repo |
| 18:53.08 | TheFool2 | Cool, then I have some fiddling around to do. Thanks for the help/info. |
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| 18:55.04 | TheFool2 | I started to build a carputer from spare parts a while back, couldn't find a cheap screen though...then I got my n770 for $75...Canola makes the perfect interface for accessing the media in my car and at home :) |
| 18:55.32 | MoRpHeUz | TheFool2: for sure you'll need to try canola 2 on your 770 =) |
| 18:56.06 | TheFool2 | MoRpHeUz: I definitely will, though I imagine it HAS to use more resources |
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| 18:56.47 | MoRpHeUz | TheFool2: yes, it may become a little bit slow on some screen due the lack of resources but you can expect no tearing effect ;-) |
| 18:56.54 | TheFool2 | And I would want it running coupled with maemo-mapper... which is a resource hog in and of itself (for good reason) |
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| 18:58.35 | TheFool2 | MoRpHeUz: As long as the scrolling is responsive I am good. |
| 18:59.11 | MoRpHeUz | TheFool2: yeah...the touchscreen on 770 is not so responsive... |
| 19:00.38 | TheFool2 | bah, I will try it out anyway. Sorta expected that with the 770 not being mentioned in regards to 2.0...that and it looks so much cooler...such beautiful transitions... |
| 19:00.40 | k-s | yes, the touchscreen is not so sensitive |
| 19:00.55 | k-s | TheFool2: etrunko published a video of it running |
| 19:01.04 | k-s | TheFool2: it suffers a bit with the thumbnail view |
| 19:01.06 | k-s | of images |
| 19:01.16 | k-s | but it's very, very heavy :-P |
| 19:01.23 | k-s | other screens are just fine |
| 19:01.24 | TheFool2 | on the 770? do you have a link, or should I google? |
| 19:01.31 | k-s | etrunko: ... |
| 19:02.11 | TheFool2 | http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2007/11/canola-20-running-on-nokia-770.html first link from googling :) |
| 19:02.20 | k-s | :-) |
| 19:02.29 | etrunko | that one |
| 19:03.00 | MoRpHeUz | hehe |
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| 19:04.06 | TheFool2 | what was that at the end? lol |
| 19:04.18 | TheFool2 | MAAAEmmo |
| 19:04.24 | MoRpHeUz | TheFool2: h4x0r theme =P |
| 19:04.36 | MoRpHeUz | haha |
| 19:04.40 | trenka | 770 is cool |
| 19:04.54 | TheFool2 | you have no clue how much I am loving it. |
| 19:05.00 | MoRpHeUz | TheFool2: just to show how it would change between themes... |
| 19:05.18 | TheFool2 | I would never shell out $400+ for the 810 but $75 for a 770 in a hearbeat |
| 19:06.33 | TheFool2 | trenka: well I might be more willing to shell out $400+ if I had $400+... |
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| 19:09.22 | trenka | TheFool2: spare $400+ :) |
| 19:10.06 | TheFool2 | well no one has a spare $400+...even when my bank account were in the thousands I never consider a cent of it "spare" |
| 19:10.17 | TheFool2 | s/were/was |
| 19:10.58 | hugolp | anyone knows if the mysql libraries could run on the n800? |
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| 19:11.21 | hugolp | or some kind of lite mysql lib? |
| 19:11.38 | trenka | well, it depends of mentality :) Even when my bank account runs to 0, I have some spare ;) |
| 19:12.02 | czr | trenka, dipping into credit cards is bad :-) |
| 19:12.15 | czr | but that's what they're for I guess ;-) |
| 19:13.15 | TheFool2 | See I am just starting grad school and still have no depts, but I have $4.36 in my bank account right now |
| 19:13.45 | TheFool2 | Thats what happens when you don't work for almost a year... |
| 19:14.37 | trenka | TheFool2: do not worry, for me you can be very good guy independent of our bank account ;) |
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| 19:18.21 | acydlord | lol, i have .96 in my bank account |
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| 19:19.40 | MoRpHeUz | hugolp: libmysqlclient runs on n800... |
| 19:20.09 | hugolp | MoRpHeUz: its not in the repositories right? |
| 19:20.16 | MoRpHeUz | hugolp: take a look at gmyth repository somewhere on this page: http://gmyth.sf.net |
| 19:20.24 | hugolp | MoRpHeUz: thanks |
| 19:20.31 | MoRpHeUz | hugolp: =) |
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| 19:21.19 | TheFool2 | Monday I get to try and get my 770 working on the universities wifi...stuped 802.1x WEP encrypted, the server provides the key after we authenticate, and they use an invalid certificate...a convoluted mess. It's going to be fun :) |
| 19:21.33 | TheFool2 | s/stuped/stupid |
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| 19:27.16 | kala | my web browser is crashing on the Outlook Web Access 2003 website. Just after acknowledging that the certificate is signed by not trusted authority and before displaying any pages. |
| 19:27.22 | kala | anyone having the same issues? |
| 19:27.52 | TheFool2 | do you have a url I can test against? |
| 19:28.13 | kala | owa.elion.ee |
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| 19:29.32 | TheFool2 | nope, works perfect here |
| 19:29.38 | kala | ok |
| 19:29.50 | TheFool2 | what browser/OS are you using? |
| 19:29.51 | kala | too bad, cannot blame on the Microsoft then |
| 19:30.08 | kala | OS2007 Hackers Edition |
| 19:30.25 | kala | tablet-browser-ui, version 0.2.9-1, I think |
| 19:30.50 | kala | I'm running on the 770 |
| 19:31.10 | TheFool2 | hmm...I have the EXACT same setup... |
| 19:31.56 | kala | :) |
| 19:32.01 | TheFool2 | not sure about the ver for the browser, is there a quick way to look it up? |
| 19:32.16 | TheFool2 | maybe a quick update will solve your woes |
| 19:32.35 | kala | I did dpkg -l |
| 19:32.51 | kala | I think I upgraded few weeks ago and then the problem started |
| 19:32.54 | TheFool2 | hehe ouch |
| 19:33.06 | TheFool2 | hmm |
| 19:34.31 | kala | strange, I'm able to look at ucowa.uc.edu without any crashes |
| 19:35.17 | TheFool2 | hmm I am running .2.10 |
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| 19:35.31 | TheFool2 | so glad I had grep... |
| 19:36.11 | TheFool2 | but this is repeatable on that specific site? |
| 19:36.30 | TheFool2 | and not crashing on the other one is repeatable? |
| 19:36.33 | hugolp | MoRpHeUz: there I only see chinnok repositories and I would like to get mysql for 2007 not for 2008 |
| 19:36.44 | kala | TheFool2: seems to be. |
| 19:38.10 | MoRpHeUz | hugolp: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=177106&package_id=225202 |
| 19:38.21 | MoRpHeUz | (2007-03-19 11:06) |
| 19:39.21 | hugolp | MoRpHeUz: cool |
| 19:39.26 | TheFool2 | kala: the source of the sites appears to be identical in every meaningful way, so it should have nothing to do with the site itself. |
| 19:39.48 | MoRpHeUz | =) |
| 19:40.16 | TheFool2 | kala: this is most likely a retarted suggestion but have you tried clearing your cache/cookies/etc maybe there is something in their specific to that site the browser is choking on |
| 19:40.34 | kala | uh |
| 19:40.38 | kala | good suggestion |
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| 19:43.28 | ds3 | anyone tried using those SIS based USB VGA dongles on a N[78][710]0? |
| 19:44.08 | kala | TheFool2: no, still crashing |
| 19:44.33 | TheFool2 | kala: grr, I don't know what to tell you |
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| 19:45.00 | TheFool2 | kala: "works here" is not much comfort |
| 19:45.30 | vandenoever | what's the best reason (apart from keyboard) to choose n810 over n800? |
| 19:45.41 | vandenoever | storage capacity, speed, something else? |
| 19:45.46 | hexa | vandenoever, gps ? |
| 19:45.49 | TheFool2 | vandenoever: gps |
| 19:45.57 | vandenoever | hexa: oh, its not in n800? |
| 19:46.02 | TheFool2 | vandenoever: oh no |
| 19:46.03 | hexa | vandenoever, nope |
| 19:46.05 | vandenoever | that's a good reason, yeah |
| 19:46.11 | vandenoever | and storage difference? |
| 19:46.14 | hexa | vandenoever, you can still have a bluetooth one still |
| 19:46.18 | vandenoever | n800 can do 4gb right? |
| 19:46.23 | TheFool2 | vandenoever: though I am still waiting for the mystical $25 GPS unit on ebay... |
| 19:46.32 | hexa | vandenoever, it can do sdhc 2x16 gig max right now I think |
| 19:46.33 | vandenoever | i want to use it mostly at home, so gps is not all that important |
| 19:46.43 | vandenoever | hexa: n800 too? |
| 19:46.53 | hexa | vandenoever, I was talking about the n800 |
| 19:47.04 | hexa | not sure if n810 has 2 sd slots.. or just one |
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| 19:47.16 | vandenoever | hexa: cool, that would make an awesome replacement for my cd player then |
| 19:47.22 | czr | hexa, just one |
| 19:47.25 | hugolp | hexa the n810 has just one slot |
| 19:47.30 | vandenoever | i'm sure it does ogg, right? |
| 19:47.34 | hexa | vandenoever, yep |
| 19:47.41 | TheFool2 | bah get the 800 then |
| 19:47.52 | hexa | vandenoever, n800 is cheaper.. too |
| 19:47.53 | vandenoever | excellent, and i've even seen people put kde on it :-) |
| 19:47.55 | czr | vandenoever, not out of the box, but with community support/sw. |
| 19:48.06 | vandenoever | hexa: yeah 190 euros cheaper on amazon |
| 19:48.19 | hugolp | vandenoever: kde on n800? |
| 19:48.33 | TheFool2 | hugolp: yea, thats a scary thought for me as well |
| 19:48.38 | vandenoever | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/kde-on-nokia-n800-tablet.html |
| 19:48.50 | vandenoever | no kde4 though :-) |
| 19:48.52 | hexa | img scray indeed |
| 19:48.55 | hexa | er.. omg |
| 19:49.13 | vandenoever | what's scary about it? |
| 19:49.41 | TheFool2 | ! he has it running on the 770 as well |
| 19:49.52 | hexa | vandenoever, some could argue that kde is a big bloated win manager.. really the worst thing you could put on an embeeded device.. but it's an opinion :) |
| 19:50.00 | TheFool2 | KDE is a little...big...for a tablet |
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| 19:50.14 | khertan | Hi |
| 19:50.25 | TheFool2 | khertan: aloha |
| 19:50.26 | hexa | vandenoever, the default win manager works really well.. |
| 19:50.28 | hugolp | vandenoever: nice. was it too slow and how did it do with the battery? |
| 19:50.39 | khertan | someone know when the hildon-home/hildon-desktop ll be available in chinook ? |
| 19:50.47 | vandenoever | hexa: it' was something for the wow department, i'm sure maemo is great for n800 |
| 19:51.11 | vandenoever | i'm not religious about window managers or desktop as long as it's free software |
| 19:51.47 | hexa | vandenoever, hehe :) I would be funny to see something like compiz on the n800 tought.. just for the wow of it .. no opengl 3d I guess... |
| 19:51.49 | vandenoever | but plasma on n800 could go towards fancy iphone-like effects |
| 19:52.05 | vandenoever | how is 3d on n800? |
| 19:52.06 | hexa | s/I/It... |
| 19:52.17 | hexa | vandenoever, no idea... :( |
| 19:52.28 | vandenoever | and what does one pay for say, 4gb on it? |
| 19:52.30 | hexa | vandenoever, I did play the original doom :) |
| 19:52.43 | vandenoever | hexa: ah, that runs on old ipod too |
| 19:52.58 | vandenoever | must suck with the ipod control though! |
| 19:53.04 | hexa | vandenoever, humm I bougt a 8gig for like 70$ so I guess somethin like 30-40$ |
| 19:53.08 | vandenoever | how do you shoot? |
| 19:53.18 | vandenoever | hexa: oh, that's fine |
| 19:53.19 | TheFool2 | vandenoever: I would guess select would shoot |
| 19:53.25 | hexa | vandenoever, button on the left |
| 19:53.40 | vandenoever | hexa: ok, so not tapping your screen to bits |
| 19:53.41 | hexa | bad think is changin direction.. on the touch screen |
| 19:53.43 | TheFool2 | that is my main beef with the 770...stupid mmc... |
| 19:53.57 | hexa | vandenoever, hehehe at least... |
| 19:55.33 | TheFool2 | unrealted question, how do I find out what character set I am using? I know I am using something funky for some reason... linux not maemo but... |
| 19:56.09 | vandenoever | so how's voip with webcam on the n800? any good? |
| 19:56.51 | hexa | vandenoever, tested with gtalk / jabber works well :) |
| 19:57.00 | hexa | wan't able to test with sip yet |
| 19:57.06 | vandenoever | hexa: which is the default software? |
| 19:57.09 | vandenoever | jabber? |
| 19:57.10 | _Monkey | jabber is much nicer. ;) |
| 19:57.19 | hexa | the camera is not the best quality but not so bad |
| 19:57.36 | vandenoever | it can rotate, right? |
| 19:57.49 | hexa | vandenoever, yeah! :) that's nice,, one thing you don't have on the n810 too |
| 19:57.54 | VRe | Just too many repositories aaagggh.. I can understand commerial software not being in garage or extras but all these others should end up in extras.. |
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| 19:58.04 | vandenoever | hexa: oh, that's a step back |
| 19:58.28 | czr | VRe, jsut tells you how convenient it is to upload stuff to extras ;-) |
| 19:58.47 | VRe | czr: Yeah, sucks |
| 19:58.51 | hexa | vandenoever, they only other thing I find bad about it is that it's localted to the left... so you have to kinda hold the n800 a bit to your right .. to be at the center.. but it's minor |
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| 19:59.22 | TheFool2 | on the right would be more natural for right handed people... |
| 19:59.34 | hexa | TheFool2, yeah.. or on top centred |
| 19:59.43 | VRe | if one of these 15 repositories is hacked.. how many zombie devices we would end up with |
| 19:59.48 | TheFool2 | hexa: yea well... |
| 19:59.56 | hexa | hehe detail anyway :) |
| 20:00.02 | TheFool2 | :) |
| 20:00.46 | TheFool2 | VRe: ah but how long before someone notices, the repo is patched and your next update fixes it. |
| 20:00.49 | kala | VRe: N770x800x810 is not too useful anyway, limited bandwidth, limited transactions, not always online :P |
| 20:01.03 | TheFool2 | VRe: yea I know, one repo would still be nicer |
| 20:01.19 | TheFool2 | VRe: when I take the red pill I want to dive all the way down that rabit hole |
| 20:01.58 | czr | VRe, depends on how many people use that specific repo, doesn't it? :-) |
| 20:03.30 | TheFool2 | before I installed anything I added like 20 repos, so I actually have had no problems...It never ceases to amaze me that there was a time when I complained about using a repo instead of going to a website and downloading/installing something manually. |
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| 20:04.41 | hexa | TheFool2, should be a list of all these repos somewhere at least |
| 20:04.58 | hexa | TheFool2, like a master .. has everything sources.list |
| 20:05.24 | acydlord | there kind of is |
| 20:05.33 | acydlord | http://gronmayer.com/n800/repos/ |
| 20:05.56 | VRe | czr: yeah, but this way the risk is always creater |
| 20:06.10 | hexa | acydlord, humm interesting ! thx :) |
| 20:06.13 | acydlord | np |
| 20:06.35 | VRe | Maybe maemo is not that main line yet, that anybody would be curious.. but if somebody would do it just for fun the house of cards would fly |
| 20:06.36 | czr | I've yet to do a proper risk analyses on the various processes involved in installing sw by end-users so can't really say whether having multiple repos really makes a difference :-) |
| 20:06.42 | acydlord | VRe, if the IT was a windows based device I would agree with you |
| 20:07.07 | acydlord | but as it is linux, and the majority of users are advanced linux users, we tend to watch what we install |
| 20:07.33 | acydlord | not to mention you can use gpg keys to verify repos |
| 20:07.40 | VRe | yeah, but it still binary.. and you trust the source. But if the source is hacked and the package is with a worm you will never know |
| 20:08.01 | VRe | acydlord: yeah, but using application manager that is totally skipped |
| 20:08.12 | acydlord | nah, the package manager still checks thegpg keys |
| 20:08.19 | VRe | no authentication. none what so ever |
| 20:08.53 | VRe | atleast last time I run apt from commandline it was warning me of these unknown keys |
| 20:09.04 | VRe | application manager just skips that |
| 20:09.42 | acydlord | and also, a repo based install method is much more secure than downloading the executables from a website |
| 20:10.06 | acydlord | just look at the debaucle wordpress had last year |
| 20:10.33 | VRe | anyways, maemo is so small so I think security risk is quite small. But quality risk is bigger, there has been incompatible gpe versions, ogg-support etc |
| 20:10.44 | TheFool2 | acydlord: somehow I missed that one, what happened? |
| 20:10.48 | acydlord | and also, the IT market share is small, and the machines arent powerful enough to be usefull zombies, so that would be a massive waste of time |
| 20:11.13 | acydlord | TheFool2, someone got access to their ftp server and embedded some malicious code in to the 2.2 build of wp |
| 20:11.26 | VRe | acydlord: tell me something which is not obvious |
| 20:12.18 | acydlord | just saying someone who has the knowhow to bother to zombify it devices also knows the time and effort are not worth it |
| 20:12.18 | VRe | But say there would be competitor who would like to ruin the reputation of maemo and nokia.. one nice way would be some security issues |
| 20:12.49 | TheFool2 | "Woohoo I have a bot net of devices that are off or not connected to the internet most of the day. And theyn have almost no memeory or computational power. I am the uber h4ax0rs |
| 20:12.54 | glass_ | vre: security issues such as a broken tiff library that would let any website root your device? |
| 20:13.05 | glass_ | vre: public doesn't care about such.. proven too many times |
| 20:13.12 | acydlord | i don't know why they would do that, given maemo is opensource and they could just get the source from maemo to improve their own device |
| 20:13.14 | czr | TheFool2, you don't need a lot of cpu/mem to be an effective zombie |
| 20:13.24 | czr | TheFool2, you only need network access/bandwidth |
| 20:13.27 | VRe | and there is more than zombies |
| 20:14.03 | VRe | glass_: yeah x86 overflow on arm..? |
| 20:14.37 | glass_ | vre: you aware that one of the iphone jailbreaks is what i exactly described |
| 20:14.38 | acydlord | the iphone jailbreak is based on a broken tiff library |
| 20:14.41 | hexa | iphone/itouch is x86? |
| 20:14.55 | glass_ | and the same bug was on psp too |
| 20:15.07 | TheFool2 | was pretty sure it was arm... |
| 20:15.11 | glass_ | it's arm.. |
| 20:15.20 | VRe | glass_: I am, but those are always cpu & enviroment spesific. |
| 20:15.34 | VRe | happy hunting with your website.. |
| 20:15.59 | VRe | maybe if you post it on maemo list you get hits from those who read their mail with the device |
| 20:16.18 | VRe | .. mean they use claws mail.. which means they have external repository.. |
| 20:16.20 | glass_ | my point was about that it's a pretty crappy way to ruin reputation |
| 20:16.47 | VRe | Hey, if I would have a real masterplan. Would I tell it to you? |
| 20:16.59 | VRe | bad press is always bad |
| 20:17.09 | hexa | if you really wanted to ruin it's reputation juste start the rumor that they would switch the device to windows ce ,, jk :) |
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| 20:17.16 | TheFool2 | glass_: the main difference being that people WANT to hack the iphone wheras people want to do hacking with the n series...but yea no one would care |
| 20:17.34 | VRe | except those who got hacked := |
| 20:17.51 | VRe | What _you_ would think? |
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| 20:18.18 | TheFool2 | I would get a good laugh that someone wasted THAT much time, and restore from backups |
| 20:18.19 | acydlord | actually most of the development and porting done for the IT would be considered hacking |
| 20:18.37 | VRe | anyways, for many reasons extras sucks and so does these separate repos |
| 20:18.42 | VRe | Where you have your backup? |
| 20:18.46 | VRe | On memory card? |
| 20:18.48 | czr | hacking = applying magic glue around some crappy piece of code until it doesn't fall on the floor so often :-) |
| 20:18.52 | glass_ | thefool: well, with iphone getting hacked could be a bit more serious. as in racking up phone bills to premium numbers.. |
| 20:18.56 | acydlord | i have my backup on an sd card, and on one of my servers |
| 20:19.02 | TheFool2 | what would be the point of that? no backup is on my main server |
| 20:19.08 | VRe | acydlord: and how many you think even backups? |
| 20:19.12 | TheFool2 | its actually versioned... |
| 20:19.24 | acydlord | probably 90% or more of us back up regularly |
| 20:19.39 | acydlord | not to mention even if you don't have backups it takes no time at all to restore |
| 20:20.26 | VRe | well, if this is even near early majority. You are not majority. |
| 20:20.44 | VRe | and from those who backup most have the copy only on the card |
| 20:20.54 | acydlord | VRe, i take it you dont like to use linux distros with package managers? |
| 20:21.13 | TheFool2 | reflash: 5 minutes, reinstalling 20 apps: 1 hour, the look on the hackers face when he realizes his days locked in his room formulating his evil plan constituted only a minor annoyance: priceless |
| 20:21.33 | VRe | acydlord: Yeah.. of course I have them... they suck. Like debian with its nice *debian.org repositories which are preinstalled |
| 20:22.08 | acydlord | VRe, are you by any chance a skript kiddie? |
| 20:22.10 | VRe | I would rather download every binary separately.. - what you think? |
| 20:22.15 | acydlord | because thats how you are coming off to me |
| 20:22.19 | VRe | Not a kiddie anymore |
| 20:22.21 | acydlord | i would rather not |
| 20:22.34 | acydlord | more chance getting a comprimised package downloading from a website |
| 20:22.38 | acydlord | also more time consuming |
| 20:22.53 | TheFool2 | VRe: no way in hell, much more of a risk that way, and much more tedious |
| 20:23.00 | acydlord | not to mention i have live redundant backups |
| 20:23.03 | VRe | acydlord: So I think you say we should have separate repository for every program? |
| 20:23.16 | acydlord | i dont think we should have a seperate repo for every program |
| 20:23.21 | VRe | Or one centralized like I would like it to be |
| 20:23.32 | VRe | Well, now it going that way |
| 20:23.54 | TheFool2 | Stable, Unstable, Testing, Dev. Thats how I would love it. |
| 20:24.07 | acydlord | well the way you are saying it in your method would translate to, every software available on the internet should be available from one website, and one website only |
| 20:24.16 | TheFool2 | mainly because it would help clear up library conflicts |
| 20:24.19 | czr | acydlord, it is. the global dns ;-) |
| 20:24.32 | VRe | and that is (1) security risk (minor), (2) quality risk ad (3) annoying as hell |
| 20:24.49 | acydlord | i mean i would love to see them wrangled in to the maemo repo for stable, garage.maemo for betas, and a dev repo |
| 20:25.49 | czr | I could live with single repo but different sections or subdirs |
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| 20:25.56 | czr | would make mirroring easier |
| 20:26.47 | acydlord | in all honesty maemo could test the program, and then add it to their repo |
| 20:27.32 | TheFool2 | bloody hell after all this time I can't get a working version of fuppes... latest source release and svn checkout are both broken |
| 20:28.06 | acydlord | also, does anyone else have major problems with the default email client and gmail imap? |
| 20:28.28 | TheFool2 | have not tried yet, what issue are you having? |
| 20:28.47 | acydlord | it wont fetch anything more than the header |
| 20:29.21 | acydlord | when i try to fetch mail it just sits there "working" often it will lock up |
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| 20:29.45 | acydlord | and i'm still dissapointed that the osso-clock doesnt support the arizona timezone |
| 20:32.23 | TheFool2 | LOL that is just sad, how do you "skip" a timezone |
| 20:34.59 | acydlord | it completely messes up the time zones for those of us living in az |
| 20:35.07 | acydlord | so my world clock is useless |
| 20:35.37 | acydlord | it's in the tzdata, so there is no reason it shouldnt be in the osso-clock |
| 20:37.46 | TheFool2 | BAH, must find a way to get a upnp or daap server up... |
| 20:39.23 | acydlord | ubuntu media center works pretty well if you've got a spare box lying around |
| 20:40.09 | acydlord | i have a classic xbox modded running as a upnp server |
| 20:40.28 | Sho_ | I'm told http://mediatomb.cc/ works reasonably well |
| 20:43.15 | dev | acydlord: you have elisa running on that? |
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| 20:43.51 | acydlord | nopers |
| 20:44.06 | acydlord | just xbmc |
| 20:44.39 | dev | ah, ok, as you said "ubuntu media center" |
| 20:44.56 | dev | TheFool2: for which OS? |
| 20:45.16 | TheFool2 | gentoo |
| 20:45.17 | _Monkey | i heard gentoo was not good for anything, imho. It wasted many hours of lle2's life for no good reason. |
| 20:45.24 | TheFool2 | lol... |
| 20:46.05 | TheFool2 | is ubuntu media center somehow ubuntu specific or can I compile it? |
| 20:46.16 | dev | I know that some people have Coherence on gentoo |
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| 20:46.41 | dev | umc is based on elisa, elisa.fluendo.com, written in Python |
| 20:47.48 | _|Nix|_ | Argh! There's this stuff in extras that depends on libgdbm-dev, but there's no libgdbm-dev in extras ... |
| 20:47.50 | hugolp | apt-get upgrade says that packet module-init-tools is being kept back, is this normal? |
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| 20:49.41 | acydlord | i didnt run ubuntu media center for long, proc fan in the machine died |
| 20:49.48 | e-squizo | Hi folks, maybe someone can help me with my scratchbox installatioin. I had an installation on Debian, which I suspected of being botched, so I removed all scratchbox* packages, and then rm -rf /scratchbox |
| 20:49.57 | e-squizo | I then reinstalled it as per http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt |
| 20:50.18 | e-squizo | using the script at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/maemo-sdk-install_3.1.sh |
| 20:51.00 | e-squizo | as a result, I have scratchbox again, but: 1) no targets, and 2) no rootstraps in /scratchbox/packages |
| 20:51.37 | e-squizo | (i invoked the script with the -d option, since this is a Debian system) |
| 20:51.48 | e-squizo | any ideas what may have gone wrong? |
| 20:51.56 | maddler | did anyone tried Gizmo's video calls? |
| 20:52.16 | acydlord | haven't tried it yet |
| 20:53.09 | acydlord | e-squizo, did you install the maemo sdk as well as scratchbox per those instructions? |
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| 20:54.57 | e-squizo | acydlord: those instructions tell me that all I have to do is run the script |
| 20:55.11 | e-squizo | or so I read them... |
| 20:55.25 | acydlord | yeah, you just have to run the scratchbox script, and then another script for the maemo sdk |
| 20:55.40 | acydlord | after you get scratchbox installed and add a user for it |
| 20:56.50 | e-squizo | acydlord: OOOK!\ |
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| 20:57.28 | e-squizo | stupid me! the layout of the instructions led me to think that these were oart of the instructions for manual installation |
| 20:57.30 | e-squizo | sorry! |
| 20:58.33 | acydlord | tis ok, i had to read through it twice myself |
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| 21:01.46 | e-squizo | acydlord: must I run the second script as root, too? the instructions don't say, and the script doesn't complain! |
| 21:02.03 | acydlord | i ran it as my normal user |
| 21:02.43 | e-squizo | acydlord: great |
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| 21:06.42 | kupesoft | anyone get wireless tools working on os2008/n800 |
| 21:08.16 | kupesoft | iwconfig~ |
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| 21:12.18 | bstock | esides the initial cost, is there any reason NOT to switch to the n810? all the apps and stuff from the 770 will run right? |
| 21:12.52 | bstock | mainly, openvpn, xournal, and maemo mapper with support for dun-through-cellphone-via-bluetooth and bluetooth gps device |
| 21:13.18 | acydlord | well the n810 has built in gps |
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| 21:13.39 | bstock | oh yeah that's right |
| 21:14.01 | bstock | and i assume dun-via-cellphone-via-bt should work fine, that's what its designed for |
| 21:14.09 | acydlord | yeah, that works fine |
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| 21:14.40 | bstock | but i need to make sure openvpn and xournal will work (which if i've kept up-to-date properly, everything should work easily with a quick recomplie) |
| 21:14.42 | TheFool2 | the only thing I can think of is if you realllly like FM radio... |
| 21:14.52 | bstock | no that don't matter |
| 21:15.00 | bstock | i have a car.. |
| 21:15.04 | bstock | ;p |
| 21:15.17 | TheFool2 | there is also only 1 SD card slot |
| 21:15.23 | bstock | although i never listen to the radio anymore.. |
| 21:15.30 | TheFool2 | does anyone? |
| 21:15.43 | acydlord | i thought it still had 2 slots |
| 21:15.50 | bstock | yeah but the 770 only had 1 card slot anyway |
| 21:15.50 | TheFool2 | hmm... |
| 21:15.54 | bstock | and it was some crazy memory |
| 21:16.04 | bstock | no i believe 810 is only 1 memory slot, but has 2gb built-in |
| 21:16.07 | Palintheus | 2G built in and a SD slot |
| 21:16.34 | acydlord | i wish it would support the 32gb SD card lol |
| 21:16.48 | bstock | damn didn't know they had cards that big, 8gb was the biggest i knew of |
| 21:17.39 | acydlord | i only have 2 1gb cards in my n800 |
| 21:17.46 | bstock | does everything from the n800 run fine on the n810, or is there special stuff you have to do? |
| 21:17.51 | acydlord | and it's like $400 for the 32gb |
| 21:18.11 | acydlord | there are still a lot of programs that need to be proted from os2007 to 2008 |
| 21:18.35 | bstock | hmm that sucks... is this gonna happen on every new device they release? so far it has |
| 21:18.52 | TheFool2 | but the fact is they will be ported, and all the new versions will not work on 2006...and soon enough 2008... |
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| 21:20.50 | bstock | hmm maybe i'll try the new 2007HE for the 770.. hopefully it's more stable then the last time i tried HE, couldn't get xournal or maemo mapper to run on it |
| 21:22.22 | TheFool2 | bstock: been using it since I got my 770, I have yet to have it crash |
| 21:22.39 | bstock | how long ago was that |
| 21:22.50 | TheFool2 | 4 days... |
| 21:23.06 | TheFool2 | lol |
| 21:24.48 | bstock | hehe alright then |
| 21:25.12 | pupnik | monkey? |
| 21:25.13 | _Monkey | somebody said monkey was an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey". VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489 |
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| 21:26.20 | kulve | well, at least it knows something :) |
| 21:27.42 | khertan | _Monkey are Monkey is very stupid : VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489 |
| 21:27.43 | _Monkey | OK, khertan. |
| 21:27.46 | khertan | lol |
| 21:27.50 | acydlord | a modifier would be nice |
| 21:28.02 | khertan | _Monkey is somebody said monkey was an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey". VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489 |
| 21:28.34 | TheFool2 | ok tried ushare/gmediastreamer/fuppes/daap/mt-daap/mediatomb out of all of those mediatomb is the only one that compiles and can be accessed by canola... |
| 21:28.54 | TheFool2 | fuppes wont compile and the rest choke on my charset |
| 21:29.31 | k-s | TheFool2: fuppes won't compile? |
| 21:29.32 | k-s | strange |
| 21:31.23 | TheFool2 | grr ignore that, it compiled it was just missing some object at runtime |
| 21:31.28 | TheFool2 | don't know why I said that |
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| 21:31.54 | TheFool2 | k-s: but yea I tried the latest checkout from their svn and the source tarball |
| 21:32.57 | TheFool2 | hmm is there anyway to make canola connect to a upnp not on it's network? |
| 21:33.26 | k-s | TheFool2: no, it's not allowed by upnp proto |
| 21:33.36 | k-s | TheFool2: you need to be in a network with multicast support |
| 21:33.46 | k-s | TheFool2: upnp find it's peers using multicast |
| 21:33.59 | TheFool2 | k-s: ok |
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| 21:35.07 | TheFool2 | k-s: I knew it was against dmap protocol as well but there was some nonsense you could do to make it look like it was in the same network. This was not using a normal computer though |
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| 21:35.41 | k-s | TheFool2: you can try to hack your own tool to proxy multicast |
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| 21:35.46 | k-s | hackish, but... |
| 21:35.47 | k-s | :-) |
| 21:36.55 | TheFool2 | I might do that. In truth I have no need to access it outside of the network but... |
| 21:37.30 | TheFool2 | I have a operating server with a copy of all of my music in almost every network I go...thats pretty sad now that I think about it |
| 21:38.16 | TheFool2 | especially since I can access it all from a web interface...ooh have to see how badly the n770 shockes on my flash player :) |
| 21:38.47 | TheFool2 | s/shockes/chokes |
| 21:39.41 | hugolp | is there a way to make the scratchbox gcc accept // as comentaries? |
| 21:39.52 | hugolp | Im running crazy changing my program |
| 21:40.26 | elb | that rules that it doesn't |
| 21:40.36 | elb | more C compilers need to refuse that particular abomination |
| 21:40.48 | halley | Meh. |
| 21:40.51 | TheFool2 | WHY? |
| 21:41.04 | hugolp | elb: abomination... XD |
| 21:41.06 | TheFool2 | I love my //'s :( |
| 21:41.18 | hugolp | oh, I see, I was using -ansi |
| 21:41.24 | hugolp | copied from the tuto page |
| 21:41.32 | elb | yeah, -ansi means C89, which has no // comments |
| 21:41.35 | TheFool2 | seriously though, why is // bad? |
| 21:41.50 | elb | it's mostly just ugly |
| 21:42.02 | elb | and, for some reason, it encourages *horrendous* commenting style |
| 21:42.19 | elb | I don't understand why that is, really, but most people who use it shouldn't be allowed near a comment EVER |
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| 21:43.33 | elb | mostly, I don't like it because it has line-oriented semantics, which virtually *nothing* else in C uses |
| 21:43.33 | halley | I think we should ban blue paint, because everyone who uses it in their living rooms finds out later that it ruins the resale value of the home. |
| 21:43.50 | elb | (preprocessor directives being the other major exception, and handled in the same place) |
| 21:43.51 | halley | Yeah, except the preprocessor. |
| 21:44.11 | elb | halley: your analogy is poor |
| 21:44.26 | elb | that was an aside, anyway |
| 21:44.37 | halley | You're suggesting getting rid of something because of YOUR tastes. |
| 21:44.40 | elb | amen |
| 21:45.20 | halley | I wonder what someone like Kernighan thinks of it. |
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| 21:46.50 | elb | good question |
| 21:46.57 | elb | I'd hope he sees it as a filthy C++ abomination ;-) |
| 21:47.57 | halley | I've not heard that he's particularly dour on C++ at all. |
| 21:48.10 | elb | I've never seen anything he's said about C++ |
| 21:48.59 | halley | "Sometimes I do write C++ instead of C. C++ I think is basically too big a language, although there's a reason for almost everything that's in it." --Kernighan |
| 21:50.01 | penguinbait | Monkey |
| 21:50.02 | _Monkey | rumour has it Monkey is an extremely annoying bot that automatically remembers the second part of any phrase spoken in this channel that contains clauses like "is" or "are", then spits out the second part of the sentence whenever anyone in the channel mentions any stored keyword - such as the word "monkey". VOTE TO STOP THIS HERE: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12489 |
| 21:50.02 | elb | that's about how I feel about C++ |
| 21:50.22 | elb | its primary fault is that it's too big -- and the primary reason for that is interactions among the parts it has |
| 21:50.35 | elb | "The Design and Evolution of the C++ Programming Language" makes this very clear, and is a very good read |
| 21:51.17 | elb | (interesting, it is intended to be positive on C++) |
| 21:52.09 | MonkeyLover | interesting might be a strong term |
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| 21:52.16 | halley | His followup to the previous statement dovetails with your point. |
| 21:52.21 | halley | "When I write a C program of any size, I probably will wind-up using 75, 80, 90% of the language features. In other words, most of the language is useful in almost any kind of program. By contrast, if I write in C++ I probably don't use even 10% of the language, and in fact the other 90% I don't think I understand." --K |
| 21:52.45 | elb | yeah |
| 21:52.53 | elb | the problem with that other 90% is that there be dragons there |
| 21:52.53 | TheFool2 | thats why we have subsets... |
| 21:52.54 | bstock | does n810 support full size SD, or just micro and mini? |
| 21:52.59 | elb | and they can reach into your 10% in ways you did not predict |
| 21:53.10 | halley | bstock, just mini; use adapter for micro |
| 21:53.11 | elb | (also well described in "Design and Evolution") |
| 21:53.15 | Palintheus | bstock: mini and micro with adapter I think, not full size |
| 21:53.17 | halley | bstock, one slot only |
| 21:54.01 | bstock | hmm alright, i'll have to make sure to get one with an adapter then |
| 21:54.32 | elb | most micro cards seem to come with adapters |
| 21:54.34 | elb | as do most minis |
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| 21:54.57 | halley | I saw a pack that had a micro chip, a mini-adapter, a fullsize-adapter, and a usbkey-adapter. |
| 21:55.43 | elb | that might be taking it a bit far ;-) |
| 21:56.05 | MonkeyLover | what sthe deal on the n810, it says up to 2GB internal memory, does it have 2GB or only 256 flash? Can I put in a 2GB card and a 8GB card |
| 21:56.06 | cgardner | Is there anything special I need to do to use the repository.maemo.org repository? Aparently, I'm not authorized to get Packages.gz |
| 21:56.54 | halley | MonkeyLover, it has a 2GB flash that is permanently inside the case; it acts JUST LIKE an external drive but you can't remove it. This is in addition to the OS space itself. |
| 21:57.03 | Palintheus | it ahs 2GB built in and fixed, only one slot to add to it |
| 21:57.17 | Palintheus | *has |
| 21:57.21 | MonkeyLover | Is this 2GB flash? |
| 21:57.26 | halley | They preload the MAP DATA and some sample VIDEOS on it, but you can delete that. |
| 21:57.32 | MonkeyLover | or there is sep flash of 256 |
| 21:57.38 | Palintheus | just like a SD card, but you can't remove it |
| 21:57.45 | MonkeyLover | can you boot from it? |
| 21:57.51 | MonkeyLover | this is the question? |
| 21:57.57 | halley | Not that I've seen. It's secondary space. |
| 21:58.18 | MonkeyLover | SD is also secondary space, but I can boot from it |
| 21:58.31 | halley | Maybe you can; I haven't tried. |
| 21:58.45 | MonkeyLover | are you booting from flash now? |
| 21:58.57 | halley | I boot from the OS space. |
| 21:58.58 | MonkeyLover | or SD |
| 21:59.08 | MonkeyLover | so from flash |
| 21:59.26 | halley | But not from the 2GB which I already said is in addition to the OS flash space. |
| 21:59.34 | MonkeyLover | right |
| 21:59.36 | MonkeyLover | DDR RAM 128MB |
| 21:59.36 | MonkeyLover | Flash 256MB |
| 21:59.46 | halley | You see the extra 2GB as /media/mmc2 |
| 21:59.55 | MonkeyLover | Up to 2GB internal memory |
| 22:00.01 | MonkeyLover | why does it say up to? |
| 22:00.19 | MonkeyLover | depends how much you delete? |
| 22:00.42 | Palintheus | I guess, yeah, or nokia just wanted to be wordy with it |
| 22:01.24 | Juhaz | probably just making sure nobody expects to get 2GB free _and_ the full map data at the same time |
| 22:01.28 | halley | If you delete the map data, you can't use it. |
| 22:01.55 | MonkeyLover | I have no intention of using the map data, thats what maemomapper is for |
| 22:02.34 | MonkeyLover | wonder if maemomapper could somehow use those maps? |
| 22:03.15 | halley | Seems half the space is .ogg files of many voice options for the paid navigation service. |
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| 22:03.55 | halley | The actual data is broken into regions too, so I could delete Canada. |
| 22:03.58 | MonkeyLover | Will there be a way to replace these maps once deleted? |
| 22:04.07 | halley | It's just files; I backed it up. |
| 22:04.47 | MonkeyLover | Well I figured I could back it up, but I am wondering if nokia provides a way to recover them? |
| 22:04.52 | acydlord | you can download the files via the onboard mapping program |
| 22:05.11 | halley | It doesn't come with a CD or anything, if that's what you mean. |
| 22:05.18 | MonkeyLover | ok, that makes sense |
| 22:05.20 | halley | acydlord, haven't seen that feature. |
| 22:05.34 | acydlord | it has that feature in os2008 on the n800 |
| 22:06.20 | acydlord | click the toolbar, and then click maps |
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| 22:06.37 | acydlord | it should show which are on the device on one tab, and available maps on another |
| 22:08.35 | Juhaz | does it allow you to select what gps it uses? |
| 22:09.24 | acydlord | not sure |
| 22:09.29 | kaltsi | it does |
| 22:09.48 | kaltsi | you can use an external BT gps too |
| 22:09.48 | Juhaz | so bt with it is possible even on n810? |
| 22:09.54 | Juhaz | good |
| 22:09.55 | kaltsi | I've used it |
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| 22:14.28 | TheFool2 | are there any mpd clients on maemo? |
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| 22:14.53 | TheFool2 | if not is ncurses working? I might try to port ncmpc |
| 22:18.05 | halley | 2GB SDmini is $15. CompUSA is such a ripoff... they still have their shelf price at $60. |
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| 22:20.48 | kaltsi | TheFool2: I don't know what mpd or ncmpc are but the SDK does have ncurses |
| 22:21.30 | TheFool2 | mpd is music player daemon ncmpc is a ncurses based client to access it |
| 22:21.59 | TheFool2 | mpd allows you to user a remote device/computer to control audio on another computer |
| 22:22.20 | TheFool2 | so basically I could have my n770 change the song that my server is playing |
| 22:22.37 | kaltsi | right |
| 22:26.23 | TheFool2 | I mean come on it's another way to stay on my butt longer :) |
| 22:26.47 | kulve | upnp |
| 22:27.06 | TheFool2 | that works the other way around |
| 22:27.20 | kulve | how come..? |
| 22:27.42 | TheFool2 | upnp allows my computer to host files that the n770 (in my case) plays |
| 22:28.08 | TheFool2 | mpd hosts a list of files and allows the n770 to access this and change what my computer itself is playing |
| 22:28.11 | kulve | you could have the controller on your 770, and the renderer plays the selected files from the server (three components) |
| 22:28.31 | kulve | but I think there are no (good) controllers for tablets (yet) |
| 22:28.33 | TheFool2 | then my 770 would have to have all the music on it... |
| 22:28.59 | kulve | nope, the server, the renderer and the controller can be one or two or three computers.. |
| 22:29.00 | acydlord | i used to use my n800 as a remote for winamp when i was using a windows computer for my media center/server |
| 22:29.11 | TheFool2 | really...didn't realize that |
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| 22:30.01 | TheFool2 | acydlord: interesting, how did that work? |
| 22:30.32 | acydlord | winamp plugin that has a micro web server to host controls and music list over the lan |
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| 22:30.46 | TheFool2 | hmm thats pretty cool |
| 22:30.59 | acydlord | there was a similar plugin of xmms back in the day |
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| 22:39.37 | zerojay | kulve: You made one of the screenshot utilities for IT2008, right? |
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| 22:41.28 | kulve | zerojay: right |
| 22:42.21 | kulve | zerojay: http://downloads.maemo.org/product/OS2008/screen-grabber |
| 22:42.25 | kulve | and now I'm off |
| 22:42.39 | zerojay | kulve: There's a bug. |
| 22:43.21 | zerojay | kulve: Look at the images I attached to this (unrelated) bug and you'll see what the bug is. |
| 22:43.25 | zerojay | kulve: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2421 |
| 22:59.15 | pupnik | depressing |
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| 23:03.19 | pupnik | it's very important to support Ron Paul |
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| 23:07.58 | halley | Because he's yet another Ross Perot "seems un-Republican" populist Republican crackpot? |
| 23:08.19 | elb | oh good, blind bigoted partisanship |
| 23:08.35 | elb | I don't know why he even calls himself a Republican, really, he's nothing like the modern Republican party |
| 23:08.39 | halley | Nah, old fashioned trolling; I hate the parties at all. |
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| 23:11.29 | halley | I see no value in the parties; whether Whig or Unionist; if it's not in our Constitution, it's nothing more than a tea circle or hobby. |
| 23:12.20 | GeneralAntilles | Paul seems to been running republican to try and get at least a small chance at getting elected. |
| 23:12.36 | GeneralAntilles | You KNOW nobody would ever even look at somebody running Libertarian |
| 23:12.38 | elb | agreed, re: the Constitution and the worthlessness of parties |
| 23:12.49 | oever | problem is 2 party system, you have to pretend to belong to one of the camps |
| 23:13.23 | halley | oever, the two parties have locked out any meaningful third option, agreed, but even a third party is part of the problem. |
| 23:14.05 | oever | halley: if the # of viable parties is 2, there is almost no democracy, only a pendulum |
| 23:14.23 | elb | there's not even a pendulum |
| 23:14.33 | elb | because the two parties are so similar as to be nearly identical |
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| 23:14.58 | elb | they do, however, fool a lot of gullible people into believing strongly that one has the answers and the other does not |
| 23:15.43 | vandenoever | face it, US ceased to be a democracy and both parties know it and act like it |
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| 23:16.38 | elb | the US has not ceased to be a democracy, and is in fact far from it |
| 23:16.40 | GeneralAntilles | US ceased being a democracy after the Whiskey Rebellion. ;) |
| 23:16.47 | elb | however, if enough people adopt that attitude, it will |
| 23:17.29 | vandenoever | elb: US is far from a democracy? |
| 23:17.36 | vandenoever | or far from ceasing to be one? |
| 23:17.52 | elb | far from ceasing |
| 23:18.34 | elb | anyway, I doubt the proprietors of #maemo think this has anything to do with IT development ;-) |
| 23:18.54 | vandenoever | elb: true, and 2 is better than 1 |
| 23:19.13 | vandenoever | nevertheless, 10 is better than 2 |
| 23:19.21 | elb | agreed |
| 23:19.24 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 23:19.28 | GeneralAntilles | I doubt very much that they care. |
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| 23:19.39 | elb | we would make a lot more progress, however, if people could learn to vote for the candidate, not the party |
| 23:19.53 | vandenoever | a congressman is machine that has to turn the current popular opinion into votes |
| 23:19.55 | elb | the parties would find that they were losing en bloc power |
| 23:20.12 | vandenoever | modelling him as such would yield nice population dynamics |
| 23:21.39 | pupnik | this time |
| 23:21.44 | pupnik | there is a real choice |
| 23:21.49 | pupnik | this time |
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| 23:21.56 | pupnik | there is a very very bad trend |
| 23:22.08 | pupnik | this time, it is time to get involved |
| 23:22.18 | pupnik | it is really george orwell time |
| 23:22.23 | vandenoever | pupnik: that's always the case |
| 23:22.29 | pupnik | no this time, this is the time |
| 23:22.30 | vandenoever | pupnik: technology will advance anyway |
| 23:22.32 | elb | it's always time to get involved |
| 23:22.50 | vandenoever | and monitoring tools will always become cheaper |
| 23:23.20 | pupnik | ok ok ok |
| 23:23.20 | pupnik | simple economics |
| 23:23.30 | pupnik | if the us dollar tanks, the whole world economic system has problems |
| 23:23.45 | pupnik | the us dollar is being destroyed by their waste with the wars |
| 23:23.55 | pupnik | this will really mess up european (german etc) exports |
| 23:23.58 | pupnik | big problems |
| 23:24.01 | elb | among other things |
| 23:24.15 | elb | fixing the wartime deficit won't magically firm up the housing market |
| 23:24.24 | pupnik | right |
| 23:24.26 | elb | but, I agree that we're running a deficit which is not sustainable |
| 23:24.49 | pupnik | world economic stability is important |
| 23:24.51 | pupnik | for us to have fun |
| 23:25.41 | pupnik | oppose governments stealing our money for stupid things |
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| 23:26.03 | pupnik | then we can have tablets and air cars and good stuff |
| 23:26.08 | vandenoever | hence, you will be monitored more |
| 23:26.08 | vandenoever | regardless of politics |
| 23:26.11 | elb | if I were to vote in the Republican primaries, I'd vote for Ron Paul |
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| 23:26.18 | elb | (I don't know that I will) |
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| 23:26.25 | crevetor | hi |
| 23:26.25 | _Monkey | bonjour, crevetor |
| 23:26.26 | pupnik | pls do |
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| 23:26.50 | pupnik | he wants to leave the internet free |
| 23:27.05 | crevetor | do any of you know how I could flash my n810 under mac os x |
| 23:27.06 | vandenoever | [00:22] <vandenoever> and monitoring tools will always become cheaper |
| 23:27.06 | vandenoever | [00:23] <vandenoever> hence, you will be monitored more |
| 23:27.06 | vandenoever | [00:23] <vandenoever> regardless of politics |
| 23:27.06 | vandenoever | [00:24] <vandenoever> if the average programmer was not so incompetent, you'd be logged to the square meter every second already |
| 23:27.06 | vandenoever | [00:25] <vandenoever> and your only hope of avoiding others reading your brain, is to die soon |
| 23:27.22 | pupnik | hehe |
| 23:27.41 | pupnik | it is ok to be public with your thoughts! |
| 23:27.55 | GeneralAntilles | crevetor, aflegg's 770Flasher. |
| 23:27.56 | halley | crevetor, google "flasher-2.0.macosx" |
| 23:28.03 | GeneralAntilles | Or that. |
| 23:28.30 | pupnik | courage! freedom |
| 23:28.39 | pupnik | speak |
| 23:28.48 | |R | I2P for the people! ;) |
| 23:29.24 | vandenoever | i2p? |
| 23:29.25 | _Monkey | i2p is, like, like TOR on drugs |
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| 23:29.46 | |R | good monkey :) |
| 23:29.48 | vandenoever | _Monkey: extra easy for intelligence agencies? |
| 23:29.48 | _Monkey | vandenoever: bugger all, i dunno |
| 23:34.22 | pupnik | listen to this: http://pupnik.de/The_Herbaliser-Something_Wicked_This_Way_Comes-09-Worldwide_Connected.mp3 |
| 23:35.06 | pupnik | listen to this: http://pupnik.de/The_Herbaliser-Something_Wicked_This_Way_Comes-09-Worldwide_Connected.mp3 |
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| 23:35.33 | |R | anyone uses an SPA2102 with their asterisk? |
| 23:41.26 | crevetor | halley, GeneralAntilles : are those compatible with mac os x on intel platform and with the n810 ? |
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| 23:42.40 | halley | I had no problem with the flasher to get rd mode (and root); there's not enough of an update to bother with actually flashing the device. |
| 23:43.34 | crevetor | halley: are you talking about the latest n810 update ? |
| 23:44.57 | GeneralAntilles | Use the 770Flasher |
| 23:45.12 | GeneralAntilles | -19 is just a kernel change |
| 23:45.33 | GeneralAntilles | so if you can get flasher-2.0 running in emulation mode, just extract the kernel and flash that. |
| 23:46.39 | crevetor | ok |
| 23:46.58 | crevetor | i'll just try and flash the whole thing (i'm still a newby with my n810) |
| 23:47.08 | crevetor | and nokia internet tablets for that matter |
| 23:48.18 | GeneralAntilles | Try to do just the kernel if yo ucan |
| 23:48.23 | GeneralAntilles | it'll save you reinstalling applications. |
| 23:49.04 | halley | GeneralAntilles, have you used a Mac? |
| 23:49.14 | GeneralAntilles | All my life. ;) |
| 23:49.28 | halley | Just wondered why you said "emulation mode." |
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| 23:53.40 | GeneralAntilles | Rosetta |
| 23:53.48 | GeneralAntilles | since flashe-2.0 isn't Universal. |