| 00:00.14 | SE-Wilco | I'm getting the NOKIA white screen of death often now. Any idea why it stats appearing regularly? |
| 00:04.56 | SE-Wilco | Is there a name for white screen of death which I can search with? |
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| 00:09.39 | pupnik | WSOD |
| 00:10.14 | SE-Wilco | ook |
| 00:12.15 | SE-Wilco | Gee we're right. wsod. |
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| 01:31.29 | |R | can you disable mnotify temporarily? |
| 01:31.38 | |R | other than killing it ? |
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| 01:39.38 | Knowledge | Guys, I have a quick quesiton...how do I edit the initfs bootmenu? |
| 01:40.11 | pupnik | multiboot? |
| 01:40.12 | _Monkey | multiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card |
| 01:41.47 | Knowledge | bootmenu? |
| 01:41.47 | _Monkey | i heard bootmenu was a simple boot-time menu that let's you select whether to boot the OS from internal flash or from the MMC. It requires the initfs described on the BootMenu page. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/bootmenu/ |
| 01:42.59 | Knowledge | I read somewhere that I might need to reflash in order to do it.... |
| 01:43.07 | Knowledge | but I dunno |
| 01:43.45 | pupnik | it's in the howto for setting up bootmenu |
| 01:43.55 | erstazi | I need to reflash my brain |
| 01:44.40 | Knowledge | pupnik: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/BootMenu <--here? |
| 01:45.17 | pupnik | what is it that you want to do? |
| 01:45.36 | Knowledge | I want to edit the time out, the # of options etc. |
| 01:46.02 | pupnik | that's in the howto somewhere or the readme |
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| 01:46.09 | Tb0n3 | well then |
| 01:46.12 | Tb0n3 | :/ |
| 01:46.41 | erstazi | hi Tb0n3 |
| 01:50.03 | Tb0n3 | I guess I'm getting known? |
| 01:50.07 | Tb0n3 | dunnolol |
| 01:50.15 | Tb0n3 | I'm just the guy who talks alot |
| 01:50.18 | Tb0n3 | a lot* |
| 01:50.34 | |R | haha |
| 01:50.48 | |R | no offense but, you're a robot aren't you? haha ;) |
| 01:51.04 | |R | (sorry, quoting a song, can't remember from who ;) |
| 01:51.24 | Tb0n3 | :D yes, robot |
| 01:51.27 | Tb0n3 | no, just autistic |
| 01:51.44 | Tb0n3 | aspergers if you've watched Boston Legal you'll know what it is |
| 01:51.46 | Tb0n3 | sorta |
| 01:51.46 | erstazi | Tb0n3: you mean higher levels of brain activity and higher IQ? |
| 01:51.56 | pupnik | "You have shown me a love beyond all computation." - Robot to hero, 60s Japanese sci-fi film |
| 01:52.09 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 01:52.20 | Tb0n3 | yeah, but I suck ass at social interaction |
| 01:52.29 | |R | welcome to irc then :D |
| 01:52.35 | Tb0n3 | and yet I work at a staples |
| 01:52.36 | Tb0n3 | lulz |
| 01:53.36 | Tb0n3 | http://www.samsungssd.com/video/ssd.html |
| 01:53.44 | erstazi | Tb0n3: no one is "good" at social interaction |
| 01:53.53 | |R | erstazi : trust me, some people are ;) |
| 01:53.57 | |R | (not me though :/) |
| 01:54.00 | erstazi | Tb0n3: some are just good at "ass kissing" |
| 01:54.14 | erstazi | |R: no, just ass kissing... |
| 01:54.17 | erstazi | sweet wording |
| 01:54.23 | erstazi | like a salesman |
| 01:54.27 | erstazi | or politician |
| 01:55.03 | |R | well if you consider listening skils etc a bad thing, i can't argue... |
| 01:55.18 | Tb0n3 | huh |
| 01:55.24 | Tb0n3 | sorry, I was doin somethin else |
| 01:55.26 | Tb0n3 | :P |
| 01:55.28 | |R | hehe |
| 01:55.33 | Tb0n3 | ADHD? |
| 01:55.36 | Tb0n3 | no monkey? |
| 01:55.39 | |R | Tb0n3 i want that drive :P |
| 01:55.43 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 01:55.54 | Tb0n3 | I'd rather not pay a small fortune for my hdd |
| 01:56.16 | Tb0n3 | if I were to though, I'd go for that nand pci-express drive |
| 01:56.32 | |R | Tb0n3 : same here, but i hate anything mechanical... they are the worries of my life haha ;) |
| 01:56.34 | Tb0n3 | 100k read/writes per second |
| 01:56.45 | Tb0n3 | I've never had one harddrive fail |
| 01:57.01 | |R | hahahah the shaking test is crazy |
| 01:57.24 | |R | i would have thougth that by the time the HD stoped, the screen would have flied all over the place |
| 01:57.34 | Tb0n3 | lol, shaking computer |
| 01:57.47 | Tb0n3 | well, guess ur rong |
| 01:57.49 | |R | same here, but i really don't want to start loosing disks now ;) |
| 01:57.58 | Tb0n3 | why hello Ur Rong, how are you today |
| 01:58.11 | |R | aha |
| 01:58.25 | Tb0n3 | notice though how it went out of fullscreen |
| 01:58.27 | |R | any of you guy going to a /. party? :) |
| 01:58.28 | Tb0n3 | what was that? |
| 01:58.33 | Tb0n3 | so hard the keys were pressing? |
| 01:58.49 | Tb0n3 | / party? |
| 01:58.57 | |R | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.05 | Tb0n3 | it's not gras |
| 02:02.08 | Tb0n3 | grass* |
| 02:02.13 | Tb0n3 | it's tumbleweed |
| 02:02.28 | |R | yeah, but my first language being french i sometime make up for my lack of vocabulary :P |
| 02:02.35 | Tb0n3 | know what, I wish I could find an old macintosh, like an imac |
| 02:02.40 | Tb0n3 | and then put linux on it |
| 02:02.46 | Tb0n3 | people will say to me, omg you has a mac |
| 02:02.53 | |R | haha |
| 02:03.00 | Tb0n3 | I'll go "no, I had a mac, I has a lunix" |
| 02:03.06 | |R | i already ran a linux terminal over serial on an old Mac+ |
| 02:03.26 | Tb0n3 | I hear the powerpcs are good |
| 02:03.55 | pupnik | anybody here happen to have a defective psion netbook? |
| 02:04.14 | pupnik | i need a motherboard replacement :/ |
| 02:04.28 | |R | I've ran linux on a old PowerPC 7200/90 ... |
| 02:04.46 | |R | the fun thing back then was that macOS 8.* was such a crappy OS that linux ran netscape 4-5 time faster :P |
| 02:04.58 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 02:05.34 | pupnik | speaking of os8, unique311 compiled basilisk for n800 |
| 02:05.44 | Tb0n3 | :O |
| 02:05.55 | Tb0n3 | will it work on OS2007he for 770? |
| 02:06.00 | Tb0n3 | I wanna mack |
| 02:06.09 | pupnik | yeah it should |
| 02:06.30 | Tb0n3 | I'll haul loads all over these united states |
| 02:06.33 | Tb0n3 | with my mack |
| 02:06.39 | Knowledge | I still don't get this... |
| 02:06.56 | Tb0n3 | what? the puns? |
| 02:07.10 | pupnik | maybe you passed the wrong memory address |
| 02:09.12 | |R | haha |
| 02:09.21 | |R | i want it with the game continuum |
| 02:09.36 | |R | that and uhm... crystal quest and uhm.... that castle game |
| 02:09.55 | pupnik | dark castle? |
| 02:10.00 | |R | right on :D |
| 02:10.09 | pupnik | basilisk? |
| 02:10.15 | pupnik | hmm no idea where to find it |
| 02:10.32 | pupnik | i think he put it on divshare a few months ago - check forums |
| 02:11.17 | pupnik | there's an arm-optimized cyclone core, i think, which could speed up 68k emulation by a lot |
| 02:12.21 | pupnik | also running in a 512x384 window would let you use xkbd for keyboard input |
| 02:13.11 | Tb0n3 | link plx if you find it |
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| 02:13.36 | |R | is internettablettalk down?! |
| 02:14.23 | pupnik | looks like it |
| 02:14.24 | _Monkey | well, looks like it is removed since 3.1 according to http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.1/content_comparison.html |
| 02:18.28 | pupnik | worms are eating monkey's brain |
| 02:18.39 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 02:18.44 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 02:18.49 | GeneralAntilles | Time to whip him and start over. |
| 02:20.17 | pupnik | there is a worms clone which could run well on 770 |
| 02:20.25 | pupnik | wormux would require an 800 or better |
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| 02:24.36 | afterburn188 | Hey, anyone in here have experience with the new gmyth project? |
| 02:25.20 | pupnik | you want it for live tv or watching archived videos? |
| 02:25.20 | |R | how the hell do you disable an "applet" in the top bar (where you have your sound, battery, wifi etc...) |
| 02:25.27 | pupnik | no idea |
| 02:25.46 | Tb0n3 | uninstall it? |
| 02:25.50 | |R | i mean i don't _always_ want to have a mail notification... |
| 02:25.57 | afterburn188 | a bit of both, i'm trying to get it working on the server end and gencoder keeps messing up it seems |
| 02:25.59 | |R | Tb0n3 : ok fine but that's a bit anoying :P |
| 02:27.11 | Tb0n3 | I liked my cpu/memory usage monitor I had |
| 02:27.19 | Tb0n3 | but it only worked on 2006 |
| 02:27.26 | |R | i have one here in 2007 |
| 02:27.49 | |R | load-applet 0.6.4-2mg2 |
| 02:39.01 | Tb0n3 | nicotine doesn't seem to work at all |
| 02:39.03 | Tb0n3 | :/ |
| 02:40.47 | rwhitby | |R: Control Panel -> Navigation -> Status Bar |
| 02:40.52 | |R | worked here |
| 02:41.16 | |R | rwhitby : ahah thanks |
| 02:41.24 | rwhitby | it |
| 02:41.25 | |R | i was sure i saw it somewhere, buried ;) |
| 02:41.31 | rwhitby | it is very well hidden |
| 02:42.13 | |R | same as the organize button in that control panel |
| 02:42.35 | |R | but that's just me, haven't ran a desktop with icons (even less a control panel) for years haha |
| 02:43.43 | pupnik | fluxbox? |
| 02:43.46 | |R | have someone found a working nice(1) util? maemo-nice's repository is empty |
| 02:43.58 | |R | pupnik : openbox, but it's pretty much the same i'm guessing :) |
| 02:44.06 | |R | enlightenment before that |
| 02:44.32 | |R | but got fed up with their "let's rebuild every freaking library for the 132123 time and not release a thing" attitude haha ;) |
| 02:44.52 | |R | i love what they do, but it's more of a demo scene fun than a desktop fun it seems :) |
| 02:45.14 | |R | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian/dists/test/maemo/binary-armel/ <- empty :/ |
| 02:46.20 | pupnik | isn't nice part of coreutils normally? |
| 02:46.49 | pupnik | apt-cache show coreutils says it has nice, but it's not installed |
| 02:47.04 | |R | yep |
| 02:47.21 | |R | searching for coreutils on the n800 here gives me only busybox |
| 02:47.29 | pupnik | methinks there is a reason for this |
| 02:47.38 | Tb0n3 | oh yeah |
| 02:47.45 | Tb0n3 | XD forgot about that |
| 02:51.53 | |R | http://www.pcplanets.com/videoyoutube-Nokia-b-N800-b-Built-in-Camera-Test.DsmmJg_YunA.shtml |
| 02:52.41 | pupnik | I'm surprised the N800 can't recharge from USB |
| 02:53.03 | pupnik | 'doh! |
| 02:53.04 | |R | is there actually a way to do this now? (video recording) |
| 02:53.12 | |R | pupnik : yeah, would be useful |
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| 03:10.59 | Tb0n3 | it seems like the more things I have running, or the longer I have the 770 running without a flash the lower the 802.11g antenna gets |
| 03:11.02 | Tb0n3 | lower signal |
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| 03:23.08 | Tb0n3 | <3 automail |
| 03:23.11 | Tb0n3 | handheld mail |
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| 03:26.43 | pupnik | is automail an email client? |
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| 03:31.57 | esworp | So, yeah.. Pidgin is way better, thanks pup. |
| 03:48.43 | esworp | Are the browser out there besides the preinstalled one worthwhile? |
| 03:49.09 | Blacksitox | bye |
| 03:49.21 | esworp | Er, browsers |
| 03:51.33 | Tb0n3 | :( pidgen repo isn't working |
| 03:51.44 | Tb0n3 | err woops |
| 03:51.49 | Tb0n3 | / |
| 03:52.10 | esworp | Repe? |
| 03:52.16 | Tb0n3 | :) |
| 03:52.22 | esworp | Er. repo |
| 03:52.26 | Tb0n3 | forgot the /, I was reading bora user from the above |
| 03:52.29 | Tb0n3 | XD |
| 03:53.00 | pupnik | if you use bluetooth keyboard and like fast browsers, you might like links2 |
| 03:53.10 | Tb0n3 | nope, no keyboard |
| 03:53.19 | Tb0n3 | I'm graffitiing |
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| 03:53.53 | pupnik | Microb browser might become the best all-round browser |
| 03:53.57 | pupnik | not sure how stable it is atm |
| 03:54.34 | Tb0n3 | where could I find a bluetooth keyboard and how much |
| 03:55.09 | esworp | I've used Think Outside's and like it. |
| 03:55.27 | pupnik | i have the thinkoutside stowaway and it's pretty sweet |
| 03:55.34 | pupnik | nokia makes one too |
| 03:56.21 | esworp | I need to check nokia's out... |
| 03:56.37 | pupnik | never found a store where you could test em |
| 03:57.03 | Tb0n3 | holy hell |
| 03:57.10 | Tb0n3 | almost as much as I payed for my 770 |
| 03:57.20 | Tb0n3 | with a 1GB MMCmobile |
| 03:58.04 | Tb0n3 | right, forgot, never get something from the company that makes it |
| 03:58.05 | Tb0n3 | XD |
| 03:58.08 | pupnik | i would like to know why, if the dollar is so weak, nokia tablets are 1.7 times cheaper in the US compared to germany |
| 03:58.49 | Tb0n3 | ok, 77 is better |
| 03:59.05 | Tb0n3 | $140 on amazon |
| 03:59.46 | Tb0n3 | it's funny watching people talk to the tooth fairy |
| 04:00.57 | |R | http://www.pcplanets.com/videoyoutube-Nokia-b-N800-b-Built-in-Camera-Test.DsmmJg_YunA.shtml <- does this mean that in "camera 2.7" you had video record capabilities and now in 2.9 it's gone !? |
| 04:01.01 | |R | i need this! |
| 04:01.25 | unique311 | Tb0n3: 3 links for ya. http://www.divshare.com/download/798362-bf8 basiliskIIGS, http://www.divshare.com/download/798033-e5d basiliskIIGTK, http://www.divshare.com/download/791981-f8d basiliskIISDL<--working one i think...god speed. |
| 04:05.16 | pupnik | unique311: do you want monkey to know those links? |
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| 04:09.02 | esworp | Ok.. Dumb question time: |
| 04:09.21 | esworp | How do i install gpe pim? |
| 04:09.36 | unique311 | its a whole lot of them. When divshare had the group feature it could've worked out..but i'll probably just do a thread on ITT listing all of the links, and then add the ITT link to monkey's arsenal. |
| 04:09.47 | esworp | Right off maemo.orgs page? |
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| 04:14.58 | Tb0n3 | wow |
| 04:15.00 | Tb0n3 | pidgen |
| 04:15.04 | Tb0n3 | rawksom |
| 04:15.59 | Andy80 | hi |
| 04:15.59 | _Monkey | hi, Andy80 |
| 04:16.50 | pupnik | esworp: i don't know - look for a green install icon or search repositories |
| 04:16.53 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 04:16.53 | _Monkey | i think repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
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| 04:18.32 | unique311 | can we have this already.... http://labs.vivi.eng.br/blog/?p=31 |
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| 04:23.17 | Tb0n3 | that would be cool |
| 04:25.48 | Tb0n3 | how the heck can I make my 770 read/write faster to my mobile card |
| 04:25.54 | Tb0n3 | which has 52MB/s speed |
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| 04:30.53 | Tb0n3 | untaring basilisk |
| 04:30.59 | Tb0n3 | hope I figure out how to work this thing |
| 04:34.37 | Andy80 | Tb0n3: n770 is slow itself :p |
| 04:35.55 | Tb0n3 | but I saw somewhere a way to highspeed it |
| 04:37.37 | pupnik | search fanoush mmcplus |
| 04:39.41 | Tb0n3 | http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#mmcplus |
| 04:39.42 | Tb0n3 | :D |
| 04:41.03 | Andy80 | what is that? |
| 04:41.11 | pupnik | someday i'm going to figure out how to start a religious cult that attracts only genius programmers |
| 04:42.32 | pupnik | Andy80: a kernel that has faster mmc card speed and other goodies |
| 04:42.35 | suihkulokki | why would you want genuis programmers when you could have young hot women? |
| 04:43.05 | Andy80 | cool :) |
| 04:43.28 | Tb0n3 | do I flash that faster kernel? |
| 04:43.44 | Andy80 | pupnik: how can I know if my mmc is compatile with it? |
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| 04:44.06 | Tb0n3 | if it has more than one row of connectors |
| 04:44.08 | pupnik | ok, young hot genius female programmer women |
| 04:44.30 | Tb0n3 | andy, mmcplus/mobile has 13 connectors rather than 7 |
| 04:45.36 | Andy80 | I check now. let me switch it off |
| 04:45.54 | Andy80 | see ya later.... |
| 04:57.56 | Tb0n3 | HOLY HELL THAT'S FAST |
| 04:58.32 | Tb0n3 | much much faster than it was before |
| 04:58.41 | |R | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1824/camera_2.9-2video_armel.deb <- anyone using this version of camera to record video and have it crash at the end ? |
| 05:01.56 | Tb0n3 | oh, where are .deb files cached? |
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| 05:02.52 | czr | morning |
| 05:02.53 | _Monkey | aloha |
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| 05:20.45 | Tb0n3 | I transfered a whole cd of mp3s to the memory card in 30 seconds |
| 05:21.34 | Tb0n3 | that's 60 megabytes |
| 05:21.40 | Tb0n3 | win |
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| 05:26.41 | pupnik | good to know Tb0n3 ... give a holler if you ever see corruption on the card |
| 05:27.00 | Tb0n3 | k |
| 05:27.01 | pupnik | how did you transfer? |
| 05:27.08 | Tb0n3 | it was over usb |
| 05:27.16 | Tb0n3 | but so sosososososososo much faster than before |
| 05:27.24 | Tb0n3 | :/ |
| 05:27.30 | pupnik | yep |
| 05:27.50 | pupnik | regular seems like 380-400kB/s |
| 05:27.53 | Tb0n3 | I try and untar the basilisk tar and it gets a "tar: crc error" after the HDD.DSK part |
| 05:28.22 | suihkulokki | Some older/buggy cards (my 64MB one inluded with N770) may not work and produce read/write errors. |
| 05:28.23 | pupnik | can you redownload the file on pc and check the tar |
| 05:28.37 | suihkulokki | you have to choose, speed or reliability :P |
| 05:28.39 | Tb0n3 | I read that |
| 05:28.45 | Tb0n3 | speed, it's a good card |
| 05:28.54 | Tb0n3 | kingston 1GB MMCmobile |
| 05:29.54 | Tb0n3 | well, tiem for bed |
| 05:30.00 | Tb0n3 | well, it was time for bed lon ago, but hey |
| 05:30.05 | Tb0n3 | I dunno how to sleep |
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| 06:05.29 | defaultie | i keep getting error messages when im trying to install osso-screenshot-tool |
| 06:06.00 | defaultie | looks like i need some dpendencies |
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| 06:13.21 | defaultie | i keep getting error messages when im trying to install osso-screenshot-tool |
| 06:13.23 | defaultie | looks like i need some dpendencies |
| 06:17.29 | czr | is there any way to get the actual error from LibOSSO when it fails to initialize? |
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| 06:17.56 | defaultie | were can i download libs |
| 06:17.59 | defaultie | for apps |
| 06:18.10 | defaultie | i installed it 2007 he |
| 06:19.03 | Lateralus | Has anyone noticed they were receiving CON_IC_STATUS_DISCONNECTED connection events using conic when the connection was active, and stable? |
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| 08:06.06 | syosoft | Hey guys....so i bought a 770 a while ago, and i bought a 2gb kingston mmc to go with it. well, all of a sudden the kingston cannot be read. by anything. i've tried the 770 and two xp based pcs, and my printer....any ideas? |
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| 08:25.08 | syosoft | HRm, now that i think about it - it could've been from a failed format attempt...just really annoying that it's completely unusable now... |
| 08:26.03 | czr | there was serious problems with some large capacity memory cards with N800. the newest firmware that came out last week (or around then) contained the kernel fix for that. |
| 08:26.08 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:26.21 | czr | you might want to check the changelog for the recent N800 image, there's a bugzilla link in there which contains a lot more info syosoft |
| 08:26.26 | czr | mornin Jaffa |
| 08:26.27 | syosoft | i've got the 770 :( |
| 08:26.42 | czr | syosoft, I know. doesn't mean that it doesn't have the same bug |
| 08:27.03 | czr | AFAIR, the device doesn't support 2GB cards (officially) |
| 08:27.15 | syosoft | it was working for a while. |
| 08:27.18 | syosoft | then just stopped. |
| 08:27.25 | czr | which makes me believe that it is the same bug. |
| 08:27.58 | syosoft | not sure i would be able to make sense out of what applys and what doesnt in the change log - and if i did come across it... how to apply? |
| 08:28.40 | czr | syosoft, please read this: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 |
| 08:28.48 | syosoft | that bug makes the card unreadable in computers as well? |
| 08:28.54 | czr | yes |
| 08:29.21 | syosoft | hrm...wonder if thats waht it is - read only .... |
| 08:29.27 | syosoft | yea, i'll give it a read, much appreciated. |
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| 08:30.11 | czr | the bugreport starts out with multiple bugs |
| 08:30.20 | czr | but you might want to read on until it becomes clear what the issue is |
| 08:30.26 | syosoft | yip, reading on |
| 08:30.54 | AD-N770 | bon dia |
| 08:30.57 | AD-N770 | good morning |
| 08:37.00 | syosoft | guess i'll try flashing back to an earlier version... |
| 08:37.45 | syosoft | still around czr? |
| 08:37.53 | syosoft | any cmds you can suggest running on the 770? |
| 08:38.30 | czr | you need to be more specific :-) |
| 08:38.47 | syosoft | well, just somethign to try to recover this thing. |
| 08:38.58 | czr | read the bugreport. |
| 08:38.59 | syosoft | i'm not all that well versed in linux...not sure what to ask. |
| 08:39.10 | syosoft | i did. heh, but it's just people talking. no clear way to test for absolute failure. |
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| 08:39.42 | czr | they're sprinkled all around the bug-report |
| 08:39.58 | czr | but if you're unable to see the card or format it in windows/linux, then the card is done for. |
| 08:40.07 | czr | I'd suggest you take it back to where you bought it from and ask for replacement. |
| 08:40.39 | czr | and try to ask around for a version of a kernel for 770 that contains the same bugfix |
| 08:40.48 | czr | unfortunately I can't help you there. |
| 08:41.07 | czr | maybe the hacker edition has the fix, maybe not. /me shrugs. |
| 08:41.36 | syosoft | yesterday it would notice the card was inserted and said corrupted. today it's not even mounting. |
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| 09:00.35 | chris00_29724 | my revenge : see my ex-girlfriend naked on www.nackte-ex.de.gg |
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| 09:41.03 | czr | hmm. is there a nice mechanism to control the backlight brightness via d-bus/libosso? |
| 09:41.13 | czr | (not whether it's off or on, but the brightness) |
| 09:41.42 | suihkulokki | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.12 | czr | suihkulokki, that would be fine if I wouldn't be writing ref material :-) |
| 09:42.18 | czr | so I guess not then.. |
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| 09:55.36 | inz | czr, the brightness is in gconf |
| 09:55.58 | czr | inz, ah. so by changing the gconf-key, it would be reflected immediately? |
| 09:56.05 | inz | yep |
| 09:56.08 | czr | cool. thanks |
| 09:58.32 | czr | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.51 | inz | sounds right |
| 09:59.02 | czr | at least that the only thing I can find with gconftool -R |
| 09:59.23 | czr | too bad these are not documented anywhere.. |
| 09:59.24 | inz | Try changing it with gconftool -s -t int and see what happens =) |
| 09:59.28 | czr | I will shortly. |
| 10:00.26 | czr | yup. it works, thanks |
| 10:00.39 | czr | very nice gradual dimmin effect too :-) |
| 10:00.44 | czr | dimming even. |
| 10:01.03 | czr | haha. except that now I broke something |
| 10:01.06 | czr | I set the value to 0 |
| 10:01.15 | czr | and now using larger values don't do anything :-) |
| 10:01.32 | czr | ah no. my bad. |
| 10:03.02 | czr | inz, any idea on what the "use_led" boolean does? |
| 10:03.09 | czr | under dsm/display/ as well |
| 10:04.25 | inz | czr, isn't there a "use leds" or something in the display settings dialog? |
| 10:05.02 | czr | ah yes there is. it's for the top-left keypad thingy. the blue led there |
| 10:05.18 | inz | czr, yeah, that's the thing |
| 10:05.23 | czr | what is it for? |
| 10:05.30 | czr | (must seem like a silly question :-) |
| 10:05.39 | inz | It's supposed to give some feedback to user |
| 10:05.59 | czr | hmm. it just flashed. by itself. how to control it? :-) |
| 10:06.00 | inz | I think it should blink if the display is off and there's e.g. chat message waiting |
| 10:06.11 | czr | ah. interesting. |
| 10:06.19 | czr | that could be useful. any docs on this? :-) |
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| 10:07.58 | inz | czr, see mce-dev package, there's something like MCE_ACTIVATE_LED_PATTERN and _DEACTIVATE_ |
| 10:08.22 | inz | czr, and there's some patterns defined in /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 10:08.48 | czr | right. I'll add that to my research list if there's no other docs on it, thanks for the info |
| 10:10.42 | inz | any time |
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| 10:24.01 | flip^ | has anyone ever managed to break the application manager (on a n800)... whenever i launch it, i just get an empty white window that doesn't respond and can only be closed forcefully |
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| 11:25.22 | t_s_o | http://tabletblog.com/2007/10/i-painted-my-n800.html <- :P |
| 11:34.25 | dpryo | hehe, cool |
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| 11:46.24 | t_s_o | i suspect the buttons would be better black, but thats me |
| 11:46.35 | t_s_o | but loved the semi-irregular stripes |
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| 12:01.09 | czr | meh. I wonder who is the bright person who mapped "Offline mode" from the device into OSSO_DEVMODE_FLIGHT in LibOSSO device state (instead of using OSSO_DEVMODE_OFFLINE). |
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| 12:01.26 | czr | especially when both are undocumented. |
| 12:02.54 | alterego | Weird. |
| 12:03.07 | alterego | czr, you doing any work on documenting the DSP? |
| 12:03.14 | alterego | Or is that too low level for you? |
| 12:04.13 | czr | alterego, hmm, not going to do that |
| 12:04.23 | alterego | Right, didn't think so. |
| 12:04.23 | czr | not part of the stuff I'm doing, fortunately. |
| 12:04.37 | czr | check the ml, there was someone working on the dsp stuff |
| 12:04.53 | alterego | I've found quite a bit of info on it. |
| 12:05.03 | alterego | Still, it's kind of scary to me ;) |
| 12:05.13 | alterego | And I don't know what I'm going to do with it yet .. |
| 12:06.05 | czr | is there a free compiler for it yet? |
| 12:06.10 | alterego | Yeah |
| 12:06.13 | czr | one that does 55, not 54. |
| 12:06.15 | alterego | TI released it ages ago. |
| 12:06.19 | czr | it's not free. |
| 12:06.22 | czr | it's gratis. |
| 12:06.26 | alterego | Ah |
| 12:06.34 | alterego | That I don't know. |
| 12:06.46 | czr | at least if it's still the same that I took a look when 770 came out |
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| 12:07.30 | alterego | Right |
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| 12:30.47 | czr | inz, you familiar with the device modes returned by LibOSSO hw-state change callback? |
| 12:31.13 | czr | they're not documented in libosso api (nothing interesting is), but I'm kind of puzzled what they are |
| 12:31.38 | czr | I know (by testing) that OSSO_DEVMODE_FLIGHT is the mode activated via the power-switch -> "Offline mode" |
| 12:31.48 | czr | but that begs the question what OSSO_DEVMODE_OFFLINE then is :-) |
| 12:36.21 | alterego | czr, Have you looked in the file /etc/systemui/systemui.xml? |
| 12:36.38 | czr | no? :-) |
| 12:36.54 | alterego | That defines that menu that pops up when you press the power button. |
| 12:37.01 | alterego | Might have something useful for you. |
| 12:37.05 | czr | let's see |
| 12:37.16 | alterego | (used it to enable a restart function) |
| 12:37.40 | czr | ah I see. sadly no. not useful. |
| 12:37.59 | alterego | Long shot. I couldn't remember what it contained. |
| 12:38.41 | czr | I'd just wish that the stuff would be documented :-) |
| 12:38.46 | czr | "nothing more". |
| 12:39.06 | czr | alterego, in my darkest hours I did make a screenshot: http://koltsoff.com/pub/y2000.png |
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| 12:43.14 | alterego | Hahahah |
| 12:43.42 | czr | I've found that the amount of irony often increases with the amount of desperation :-) |
| 12:43.54 | alterego | I didn't realise that it was that complicated :P |
| 12:44.16 | alterego | Sure, I've had a lot of issues with OSSO |
| 12:44.28 | alterego | It's lack of debugging information is pretty annoying. |
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| 12:46.21 | czr | the docs are.. well.. "lacking". and yes I realize I could always read the source code, but it kind of gets old after a while :-) |
| 12:46.42 | alterego | Well, I think you'll be supprised. The source code is pretty small. |
| 12:46.47 | alterego | OSSO doesn't really do much .. |
| 12:47.03 | czr | what do you think I've used to actually get info? |
| 12:47.09 | czr | I've been reading the source code :-) |
| 12:47.10 | alterego | :) |
| 12:47.24 | czr | but for once I'd like to _not_ to read source code. it would be so nice. |
| 12:48.25 | alterego | Well, if that was the case. Then you wouldn't need to be doing what you're doing :P |
| 12:48.51 | alterego | I have this crazy idea of running a VM on the DSP core. |
| 12:51.13 | Jaffa | that's crazy |
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| 12:52.14 | alterego | Yes, I'm notoriously crazy. |
| 12:52.20 | Jiten | is there documentation on how to use the DSP somewhere? |
| 12:52.29 | alterego | All over the place Jiten. |
| 12:52.51 | alterego | Your looking for docs on the TI TMS320C55x |
| 12:53.23 | alterego | There's a wiki page on the maemo site which gives a pointer to getting started with the DSP. |
| 12:55.01 | Jiten | ah, right, I should propably pay more attention :) missed that when I was looking through the docs |
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| 13:00.49 | Tak|work | that said, is there anyone who's actually made a third-party project using the dsp? |
| 13:04.57 | TPC | the DSP? Isn't that a sound chip? what would you be using that for that you can't do with alsa? |
| 13:05.16 | Jiten | DSP as in Digital Signal Processor. |
| 13:05.50 | Jiten | suitable for certain kinds of computations. At least very suitable for video and audio algorithms. |
| 13:06.20 | TPC | ah |
| 13:06.31 | Tak|work | TPC: decode mp3s in hardware, etc |
| 13:06.45 | Tak|work | well, I guess not "in hardware" , but without loading the main cpu |
| 13:07.09 | Tak|work | alterego: fceu sound driver would be a great use for the dsp ;-) |
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| 13:08.32 | czr | alterego, yeah, but the funny thing is that I'm not paid to write API documentation. |
| 13:08.46 | czr | I doubt anyone is. |
| 13:09.02 | czr | the API docs just magically seem to appear from nothingness. |
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| 13:20.26 | disq | i should buy a pair of a2dp headphones. wonder if my laptop can emulate that |
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| 14:41.25 | pupnik | I am ASCII of Borg. Unicode is futile. You will be ANSImilated. |
| 14:42.08 | sxpert-work | I am unicode of borg, ascii is futile you will be utd-8-ilated |
| 14:42.18 | sxpert-work | s/utd/utf/ |
| 14:44.26 | pupnik | ansimilated sounds better :) |
| 14:45.02 | czr | soon you all will be covered with clouds of omnipotency |
| 14:45.15 | czr | tickled by X.400 |
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| 14:49.33 | Blacksitox | hi |
| 14:49.33 | _Monkey | what's up, Blacksitox |
| 14:49.53 | Devamax | Hi everyone! How do I install opera, irssi and other stuff? apt-get doesnt work, neither dpkg... |
| 14:50.33 | zoran | Devamax, what os? |
| 14:51.02 | Devamax | maemo, nokia n800 just bought it yesterday |
| 14:51.25 | mgedmin | opera is preinstalled |
| 14:51.33 | mgedmin | (in the device, not the sdk) |
| 14:51.40 | Devamax | really??? can't find it |
| 14:51.42 | zoran | irssi is command line oriented |
| 14:51.48 | Devamax | I know |
| 14:51.49 | mgedmin | it's called "Browser" |
| 14:51.53 | zoran | it is not called opera |
| 14:51.56 | zoran | :) |
| 14:52.01 | mgedmin | apt-get/dpkg works only if you get root |
| 14:52.13 | mgedmin | for others there's the GUI application installer |
| 14:52.19 | Devamax | Yeah, I root throug ssh |
| 14:52.27 | pupnik | repositories? |
| 14:52.27 | _Monkey | i think repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php |
| 14:52.37 | mgedmin | one easy way to get stuff is to go to downloads.maemo.org with the browser from the device and click on the green "click to install" arrows |
| 14:52.47 | mgedmin | this works, but only for packages that aren't broken |
| 14:52.52 | mgedmin | unfortunately some packages are broken |
| 14:53.12 | czr | and a lot of them don't support .install are for IT2006 |
| 14:53.15 | zoran | mgedmin, what is with socat 1.5.0.0 for 2006? |
| 14:53.16 | czr | or are even. |
| 14:53.22 | pupnik | and every user should send feedback to lazy chumps who make broken packages (like me) |
| 14:53.33 | mgedmin | zoran: I've absolutely no idea |
| 14:53.37 | mgedmin | what's socat? |
| 14:53.38 | zoran | :) |
| 14:53.42 | Tak|work | pupnik: lazy chump :-P |
| 14:53.58 | zoran | socat takes encrypted conn to and from |
| 14:53.59 | Devamax | Guys, you mean - default browser in n800 is opera? Well, it isn't in my case ) |
| 14:54.12 | zoran | it is |
| 14:54.16 | mgedmin | Devamax: how can you tell? |
| 14:54.16 | flip^ | i bet it is |
| 14:54.17 | Jiten | Devamax: what is your default browser then? |
| 14:54.51 | flip^ | it doesn't have an opera icon, nor is it named 'opera', but it is opera under the hood |
| 14:55.17 | czr | browser id is opera. it has the same bugs as opera. hence, it is opera :-) |
| 14:55.31 | czr | unless it's IE of course. |
| 14:56.46 | `0660 | in my n800 the defailt browser is firefox based, not opera |
| 14:56.46 | Devamax | Damn ) maybe it is, anyway, apt-get uses repository to search packages, and it doesn't find irssi. How to install it? Or some other irc client? |
| 14:57.04 | zoran | try app catalog |
| 14:57.22 | Jiten | downloads.maemo.org is the easiest way to find and install software. |
| 14:57.27 | pupnik | Devamax: i posted a link to a searchable repository index |
| 14:57.44 | Devamax | Ok, thank you, I'll try it! |
| 14:58.09 | Jiten | just point the n800's browser at it. |
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| 14:58.46 | pupnik | Jiten is correct - clicking on a green install icon will add needed repositories automagically |
| 14:59.58 | Devamax | Anyone uses bluetooth keyboard? |
| 15:00.11 | Tak|work | someone interested in testing fceu "flickering" fix on n800? |
| 15:01.11 | |R | Devamax : i do |
| 15:01.17 | |R | Tak|work : me! |
| 15:01.25 | Devamax | Any troubles installing it? |
| 15:01.33 | |R | Devamax : nop, works like a charm :) |
| 15:01.49 | Jiten | |R: which keyboard? |
| 15:01.50 | Devamax | What model? |
| 15:02.00 | |R | Jiten / Devamax: stowaway ultra-slim |
| 15:02.05 | Tak|work | |R: dcc? |
| 15:02.20 | |R | Tak|work : sure, i guess i should get it to work |
| 15:02.30 | |R | Worst case email if that fails ;) |
| 15:02.30 | Tak|work | I can post http somewhere if that's preferable |
| 15:02.38 | |R | would be easier :) |
| 15:02.42 | |R | but doesn't matter .. :) |
| 15:03.01 | Tak|work | email would work too - it's only 441k |
| 15:03.12 | Tak|work | pick your favorite ;-) |
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| 15:03.21 | |R | you have my email ;) |
| 15:03.24 | |R | (msg) |
| 15:03.34 | lardman | me? |
| 15:04.02 | suihkulokki | spam spam spam spam spam spam spam |
| 15:04.02 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.20 | alterego | Actually, I get very little, if any spam. |
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| 15:05.11 | zoran | for pop, one could trim spam on the server |
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| 15:05.41 | czr | alterego, you want mine? |
| 15:05.48 | alterego | Erm, no thanks :) |
| 15:05.53 | czr | it could be a nice load test for your device |
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| 15:06.00 | alterego | Heh |
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| 15:06.19 | alterego | I'm not a fan of the mail client on the internet tablets. |
| 15:06.25 | alterego | To be honest it's rubbish. |
| 15:06.27 | flip^ | claws-mail :D |
| 15:06.29 | alterego | (I think) |
| 15:06.33 | czr | I tried it once I think, and it was quite horrid imho |
| 15:06.45 | czr | thought of writing my own, but then figured that had more interesting stuff to do |
| 15:06.48 | zoran | mutt? |
| 15:06.54 | alterego | I use mutt |
| 15:06.56 | alterego | Mostly. |
| 15:07.13 | alterego | Yeah, I was thinking of writing a better mail client. |
| 15:07.22 | zoran | better than mutt? |
| 15:07.28 | alterego | I could probably hack something together which would be as good in a few hours ^_^ |
| 15:08.08 | czr | alterego, you and your ruby! |
| 15:08.31 | czr | alterego, does ruby have any nice ncurses abstractions? |
| 15:08.44 | czr | like event based toolkits that abstract the hairy spaghetty away? |
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| 15:10.53 | Tak|work | ruby is teh awesome |
| 15:11.10 | Tak|work | kind of sucks to make somebody install a huge framework on a device like the IT, though |
| 15:13.47 | |R | Tak|work : looks fine! |
| 15:14.02 | alterego | There is an ncurses extension. |
| 15:14.12 | |R | same intro display bug as before but that doesn't mather, the button play works and doesn't flickr anymore :] |
| 15:14.15 | alterego | Not really used it seriously. It's a lot like doing it in C |
| 15:14.19 | Tak|work | intro display bug? |
| 15:14.33 | |R | well, uhm, i launch it from mame |
| 15:14.34 | czr | alterego, then it close to useless |
| 15:14.36 | alterego | Tak|work, ruby isn't really a huge framework :P |
| 15:14.40 | |R | and when it starts, i have save load on the left |
| 15:14.49 | Tak|work | huge for the tablet |
| 15:14.51 | |R | but notthing on the bottom left or at all on the right side |
| 15:14.52 | alterego | Tak|work, my packages install to about 6Mb which is similar to Python in size. |
| 15:15.05 | Tak|work | alterego: yeah, I have the same beef about python :-P |
| 15:15.10 | alterego | :) |
| 15:15.20 | |R | i have to click the home menu for them to show and they play with start/a/b/select so the screen of the game gets resized... |
| 15:15.36 | alterego | Well, mini ruby is only 512K :P |
| 15:15.40 | Tak|work | |R: hmm, that's weird |
| 15:15.42 | alterego | But it's not very useful ^_^ |
| 15:16.07 | Tak|work | yeah, when you press home, the game pauses and drops out of pixel-doubled mode |
| 15:16.24 | Tak|work | and then you need to press an onscreen button to restart/redouble |
| 15:16.52 | |R | oh weird, now when i quit the central screen acts like a zoom |
| 15:16.54 | alterego | Has anyone done any work on getting SDL to work in a proper HildonWindow? |
| 15:17.23 | |R | as if the full screen game isn't resetter and i get pixels doubled over the normal resolution where the game should be |
| 15:17.28 | alterego | Would be able to use the onscreen keyboard then .. |
| 15:17.47 | |R | i guess i'll have to reboot |
| 15:17.55 | Tak|work | |R: it's not resetting the display on quit? |
| 15:18.22 | |R | nop |
| 15:19.21 | Tak|work | try restarting fceu and quitting again? |
| 15:19.44 | |R | i can't see well enough to know where to click :/ |
| 15:19.50 | |R | i'm rebooting... |
| 15:19.58 | alterego | Hah |
| 15:20.08 | |R | hehe NOKIA shutdown screen was the top of NO ;) |
| 15:20.17 | |R | everything was stuck in zoom mode |
| 15:20.25 | alterego | I get that sometimes with mplayer. |
| 15:20.27 | |R | (well center that is) |
| 15:20.35 | mgedmin | pixel doubling is fun |
| 15:20.35 | |R | let me try again with another game |
| 15:20.44 | czr | |R, you changed the device mode to KIA? |
| 15:20.59 | czr | but it only runs when KIA-mode is disabled! |
| 15:21.01 | alterego | Task switching out of mplayer is buggy unless you go out of fullscreen mode. |
| 15:21.03 | |R | haha |
| 15:21.36 | |R | let's see if contra works better ;) |
| 15:22.00 | |R | ok at the begining the button works but the whole area is transparent and i see the "desktop" |
| 15:22.05 | |R | that was the first thing... |
| 15:22.30 | pupnik | any guesses what N900 will use? 1) Xsp, 2) Xrandr 3) No scaling? |
| 15:22.42 | czr | btw, when will there be an IT with compiz? |
| 15:23.15 | czr | pupnik, I tried to ask you yesternight, you sure about the name? |
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| 15:24.05 | mgedmin | pupnik: ask daniels when he appears on irc |
| 15:24.10 | |R | uhm maybe sleep mode can fix the doubling, but at least now it's playable, it's a better bug hehe :) |
| 15:24.26 | |R | i've got to run, friend over here, i'll be back later! |
| 15:24.46 | |R | Tak|work : thanks, ttyl! |
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| 15:26.06 | lardman | pupnik: would be nice to know whether they've removed the memory bandwidth issue too |
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| 15:26.45 | |R | actually now it works better, i ll give more queue about it (ok running for real ;) |
| 15:26.46 | Jiten | memory bandwidth issue? |
| 15:28.52 | Devamax | Guys, a dumb question: I've installed a repository from here: http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php , now how do I install packages from it? |
| 15:29.21 | pupnik | lardman: if we're talking about omap3430, it has native support for higher res framebuffers |
| 15:29.57 | Tak|work | Devamax: they should show up in your Application Manager now |
| 15:30.00 | pupnik | (afaict) |
| 15:30.14 | Devamax | They don't((( |
| 15:30.34 | zoran | updaet them |
| 15:30.38 | zoran | *update |
| 15:30.49 | Devamax | Already done. |
| 15:30.52 | Tak|work | yes, have you refreshed the package list? |
| 15:31.04 | Tak|work | check the log for errors? |
| 15:32.53 | Devamax | Hm... how to update package list? I reboot nokia and after reboot it were updating it itself for some time, but new packages didn't appera in package list |
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| 15:33.29 | zoran | Devamax, open app manager |
| 15:33.56 | zoran | tools -> |
| 15:34.07 | Devamax | yeah |
| 15:34.17 | zoran | or via apt-get update |
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| 15:34.49 | lardman | pupnik: I think it'll be a 2420 with a higher clockrate |
| 15:34.58 | lardman | Jiten: screen updates |
| 15:35.23 | pupnik | Why tak? |
| 15:35.49 | mgedmin | it's easy to break the system with apt-get |
| 15:36.25 | mgedmin | apt-get update should be harmless; apt-get install somenonsystempackage mostly so; apt-get dist-upgrade is very likely to break your system |
| 15:36.57 | Devamax | Damn( now default browsr crushes with "internal error" message when I start it(( |
| 15:37.11 | Devamax | Help please anyone))). |
| 15:37.19 | zoran | try again |
| 15:37.24 | Devamax | many times |
| 15:37.28 | mgedmin | and if that doesn't help, reboot |
| 15:37.32 | zoran | sync |
| 15:37.47 | Devamax | what's sync? |
| 15:37.53 | mgedmin | sometimes my browser fails to start if I click on a bookmark, but starts all right if I click on 'open browser window' |
| 15:37.53 | zoran | disregard |
| 15:38.00 | mgedmin | wrong window? :-) |
| 15:38.18 | zoran | reboot helps, however |
| 15:38.20 | mgedmin | the was an interesting thread on the mailing list |
| 15:38.31 | mgedmin | the wifi driver apparently can corrupt random memory addresses |
| 15:38.35 | mgedmin | which makes some applications crash |
| 15:38.38 | mgedmin | fun fun fun |
| 15:39.05 | zoran | on 3.2006.49 I didn't have a crash yet |
| 15:39.11 | mgedmin | lucky you |
| 15:39.17 | zoran | on 39 a lot |
| 15:39.30 | mgedmin | my sister's 770 with 3.2006.49 had apt-get stop working (error parsing /var/lib/dpkg/status, iirc) |
| 15:39.35 | mgedmin | rebooting didn't help |
| 15:39.35 | zoran | but that browser makes me mad |
| 15:39.42 | mgedmin | I thought I'd have to reflash it |
| 15:40.04 | mgedmin | but when I finally got around to it a few months later, I tried again and the error just disappeared |
| 15:40.08 | Devamax | It still crashes(((((((( |
| 15:40.16 | esworp | Is the built-in Opera the best browser the best option? I notice it crawls on heavy pages.. |
| 15:40.17 | zoran | relax first |
| 15:40.51 | zoran | may I ask for opinions of better browser for 770? |
| 15:40.56 | zoran | minimo? |
| 15:40.57 | _Monkey | i think minimo is (Mini Mozilla) Web browser, a slimmed down version of mozilla browser aiming resource reduced devices. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/minimo/ |
| 15:41.21 | mgedmin | there's also microb |
| 15:41.29 | zoran | for 770? |
| 15:41.37 | zuh | I bet all options will crawl on heavy pages... |
| 15:41.38 | mgedmin | which is the mozilla browser engine (gecko) integrated into the default browser ui |
| 15:41.46 | mgedmin | ah, dunno if microb works on a 770 |
| 15:41.55 | zoran | hm, I dislike turning spaw on |
| 15:41.55 | mgedmin | the 770 is a bit underpowered |
| 15:42.21 | zoran | *swap |
| 15:42.39 | zoran | mgedmin, I just like my 770 |
| 15:42.54 | zoran | links is fine, lynx would be better |
| 15:42.58 | pupnik | heavy pages can bring a 1ghz pentium 3 to its knees. it's the designers fault. |
| 15:43.23 | mgedmin | zoran: when I used a 770, I found that swap helps *a lot* |
| 15:43.32 | zoran | yes |
| 15:43.44 | zoran | I never need it with links |
| 15:43.58 | zoran | with opera, a lot for fancy pages with picts |
| 15:44.08 | pupnik | you have links +graphics and mouse support zoran ? |
| 15:44.09 | zoran | so, I removed picts |
| 15:44.16 | zoran | nope |
| 15:44.22 | zoran | no mouse on 770 :) |
| 15:44.37 | pupnik | you can build links with gpm mouse and click on links with stylus |
| 15:44.58 | esworp | Boingboin.g metakes Opera c r a w l on my (new) n800. |
| 15:45.00 | zoran | I use lynx on console on my home boxx |
| 15:45.46 | mgedmin | what do you mean "no mouse"? |
| 15:45.52 | mgedmin | taps are mouse clicks |
| 15:46.02 | mgedmin | and they work just fine in terminal apps too |
| 15:46.04 | zoran | I have one, but don't like to use graphics for that |
| 15:46.17 | mgedmin | gpm is a red herring, it's linux console only |
| 15:46.22 | mgedmin | xterm has its own mouse support |
| 15:46.27 | zoran | in this moment, for 5 shells, I must to have graphics |
| 15:46.37 | pupnik | gpm works fine in links2 browser - http://pupnik.de/links2.html |
| 15:46.40 | zoran | no linux, bsd |
| 15:46.55 | zoran | but xorg should be the same |
| 15:47.01 | esworp | Weird that sometimes the hildon widget messes up like in my last entry |
| 15:47.22 | Devamax | Damn. Deafault browser doesn't work. How to uninstall a package with apt- ? |
| 15:47.57 | pupnik | apt-get remove ... |
| 15:48.26 | zoran | he would make in unusable |
| 15:48.37 | zoran | maybe from teh command line |
| 15:49.25 | zoran | Devamax, does 800 have ps or something? |
| 15:49.31 | Devamax | yes |
| 15:49.51 | zoran | do you have opened something liek browser? |
| 15:50.15 | Devamax | I try to open a deafault one, but it crashes |
| 15:50.45 | zoran | could you try to find processes on the device? |
| 15:51.00 | zoran | ps aux or ps -ef |
| 15:51.09 | Devamax | Yeah, but what procr |
| 15:51.19 | Devamax | *processes should I find? |
| 15:51.26 | zoran | dunno |
| 15:51.37 | zoran | maybe it is open already and does something |
| 15:51.48 | zoran | if it memorizes the session... |
| 15:53.21 | zoran | if you find browser proc, just kill -9 id |
| 15:53.52 | zoran | or some connection outbound |
| 15:54.13 | Devamax | Trying |
| 15:54.28 | zoran | a long list? |
| 15:55.07 | zoran | add | grep browser or simmilar |
| 15:55.37 | Devamax | Hm... I've done the following thing - removed from console a package I nstalled ( osso-browser-opera-somethingels ) and now it works |
| 15:55.44 | Devamax | Very odd )). |
| 15:56.03 | zoran | :) |
| 15:56.27 | zoran | maybe you should change order in your path |
| 15:56.29 | Devamax | Err.. actually, not quite. I'll try to reboot... |
| 15:58.30 | Devamax | No, now it starts, doesn't load pages and crshes in a couple of minutes |
| 15:58.59 | zoran | could you call it from command line? |
| 15:59.06 | Devamax | nope |
| 15:59.47 | zoran | someone could point you to the binary, to manualy change it in /bin or whatever |
| 16:00.28 | zoran | how is it called on 800? |
| 16:00.36 | zoran | osso-browser? |
| 16:01.44 | Devamax | I'm afraid I dont know... it is written just "web" on an icon |
| 16:01.59 | alterego | Look at the service file. |
| 16:02.07 | zoran | hm, if osso-browser: |
| 16:02.16 | zoran | which oso-browser |
| 16:02.21 | zoran | then: |
| 16:02.34 | zoran | ls -l /bin/osso-browser |
| 16:02.45 | zoran | maybe you don't have binary file |
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| 16:03.14 | Devamax | I cant find something conserning browser in /bin |
| 16:03.22 | Devamax | just sh commands there |
| 16:03.31 | lardman | has anyone looked at adding more gstreamer components, so it can play things like divx? |
| 16:03.54 | zoran | Devaman, install minimo and try from there |
| 16:04.22 | zoran | or someone knows correct rep for osso-browser |
| 16:04.49 | mgedmin | Devamax: most of the stuff is in /usr/bin |
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| 16:06.30 | Devamax | How to install it? I dont have minimo in repository, and microB needs some library |
| 16:07.16 | zoran | I found minimo on brasilian site |
| 16:07.40 | alterego | Devamax, dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.osso_browser /usr/bin/browser com.nokia.osso_browser |
| 16:07.44 | alterego | That will start the browser. |
| 16:08.02 | Devamax | Thanks, I'll try now! |
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| 16:10.55 | Devamax | The same thing((( |
| 16:10.58 | Devamax | crashes |
| 16:12.53 | alterego | What crashes? |
| 16:13.04 | Devamax | browser |
| 16:13.04 | _Monkey | browser is, like, open sources |
| 16:13.32 | zoran | is /usr/bin/browser a link? |
| 16:14.43 | Devamax | Yes |
| 16:14.45 | alterego | Try this: dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.osso_browser /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.open_new_window |
| 16:14.50 | Devamax | to maemo invoker |
| 16:14.59 | alterego | Yup, same for me. |
| 16:16.07 | Devamax | Is it possible to reinstall it (browser) |
| 16:16.08 | Devamax | ? |
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| 16:16.59 | zoran | maybe you just broke a link |
| 16:17.19 | zoran | alterego's way sounds fine |
| 16:17.27 | Devamax | Trying it |
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| 16:20.33 | Devamax | It launches, but does'nt loadages |
| 16:20.55 | Devamax | and now it's crashed((( |
| 16:22.28 | zoran | what is memory footprint of opera - minimo - microb ? I've read about slowlyness of last two |
| 16:28.01 | Devamax | I think I have to reflash )) Is it difficult? |
| 16:29.44 | zoran | no, but why not try to solve the problem? |
| 16:30.10 | Devamax | Heh ) I don' know how to ). |
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| 16:30.37 | zoran | if you could install another browser, point /usr/bin/browser to it... |
| 16:31.17 | zoran | I just saw thread with similar prob |
| 16:31.32 | Devamax | Could you give a link? |
| 16:31.55 | zoran | people said it should be changed in .browser hidden from false to true |
| 16:32.34 | zoran | I closed the site already |
| 16:34.05 | Devamax | Hidden? ) what do you mean? |
| 16:34.47 | zoran | dunno, I recall it from the page |
| 16:35.06 | zoran | and cannot find the site now |
| 16:35.15 | Devamax | :((( |
| 16:35.18 | sp3000 | that sounds completely unrelated, but maybe it's just me |
| 16:36.12 | zoran | gossamer-threads.com |
| 16:36.22 | zoran | cannot remember the exact link |
| 16:36.42 | Devamax | Thank's I'll search it! |
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| 16:37.22 | zoran | lists/maemo/developers/27759 |
| 16:37.41 | sp3000 | I don't think you mentioned how it broke |
| 16:38.01 | sp3000 | something about apt-get but not what you did with it |
| 16:38.08 | sp3000 | or something else |
| 16:38.12 | Devamax | It broke after I installed opera with apt get |
| 16:38.18 | Devamax | and probably after reboot |
| 16:38.32 | zoran | I think also that Devamax broke some dependency |
| 16:38.59 | zoran | maybe some new lib |
| 16:39.22 | zoran | Devamax, what os version and what rep version? |
| 16:39.31 | Tak|work | uh, how do I transfer a file via bluetooth? |
| 16:39.51 | Devamax | os is 3.2007.10-7 |
| 16:39.58 | zoran | rep? |
| 16:40.01 | sp3000 | ok so upgraded some random package that has somewhat incomplete dependecy information and probably isn't visible through app manager anyhow |
| 16:40.04 | Devamax | rep... how to check it? |
| 16:40.19 | sp3000 | Devamax: you should flash a newer release anyway |
| 16:40.25 | zoran | rep list |
| 16:42.27 | Devamax | well, i've dowloaded and installe |
| 16:42.29 | Devamax | dd |
| 16:42.56 | sp3000 | afaiui there are cases where upgrading some browser related package without upgrading some other one could break things |
| 16:43.24 | Devamax | Will reflashing help? |
| 16:43.50 | sp3000 | of course |
| 16:44.05 | sp3000 | you want 4.2007.38 for your N800 anyway |
| 16:44.20 | sp3000 | various fixes and whatnow |
| 16:44.28 | sp3000 | whatnot even |
| 16:44.36 | Devamax | oh I see. Thanx! |
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| 16:44.58 | Devamax | I wounder if there's russian version of this flash |
| 16:45.53 | sp3000 | afaiui there are no separate versions |
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| 16:46.54 | Devamax | Well, mine is russ - although maybe lang can be switched in prefs somewhere |
| 16:49.25 | Devamax | Hm, I've installed with apt-get install osso-browser-opera-eal and it seems, with no errors, but how to launch it? no opera related files in /usr/bin |
| 16:49.43 | alterego | Devamax, what are you doing? |
| 16:49.59 | alterego | If you want to launch the browser, then click on the menu item. |
| 16:50.24 | Devamax | browser crashes |
| 16:50.31 | Devamax | with intrernal error |
| 16:50.42 | sp3000 | "installing browser-eal or tablet-browser-controls (which depends on browser-eal) without installing tablet-browser-ui and friends breaks the browser" quoth a bugzilla bug summary |
| 16:50.44 | Devamax | Ok, reflash |
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| 16:51.04 | sp3000 | but since you're upgrading anyway, that's academic until you break it again ;) |
| 16:51.06 | alterego | Have you tried launching it from both points? The bookmark plugin and the applications menu? |
| 16:51.25 | Devamax | Yes |
| 16:51.58 | sp3000 | Devamax: yeah language is in the first startup wizard and in the control panel |
| 16:52.11 | Devamax | russian |
| 16:52.21 | sp3000 | ...is included |
| 16:52.40 | Tak|work | ugh, finally figured it out |
| 16:52.59 | Devamax | Figured what :) ? |
| 16:53.24 | Tak|work | bluetooth file transfer |
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| 16:56.08 | sp3000 | the theory of stuff not breaking should hold pretty well for appmanager default mode |
| 16:56.37 | sp3000 | beyond that there's some chance of versioned-dependency mishaps I suppose |
| 16:56.58 | Devamax | Yeah... I can see it NOW |
| 16:57.03 | Devamax | :)))))))))0 |
| 16:57.04 | Devamax | :0 |
| 16:57.40 | Devamax | :). |
| 16:57.41 | Devamax | Thank you guys for help anyway |
| 16:57.41 | Devamax | I'll Refla |
| 16:57.43 | Atarii | btw Devamax i had the exact same problem |
| 16:57.50 | Devamax | reflash it tomorrow |
| 16:58.00 | Atarii | started after i updated some browser stuff through the repository |
| 16:58.00 | Devamax | how did you fixed it? |
| 16:58.07 | Atarii | now browser crashes on startup |
| 16:58.10 | Atarii | i havnt :( |
| 16:58.18 | Atarii | reflash for me also |
| 16:58.24 | Devamax | :))) |
| 16:59.16 | sp3000 | the bug summary seems to imply installing "tablet-browser-ui and friends" could help at that point :) |
| 16:59.35 | sp3000 | but, dunno |
| 16:59.47 | Atarii | ill just reflash |
| 16:59.49 | Atarii | a lot easier |
| 17:00.01 | Devamax | In theory, does PC Debian versions resolve dependances automatically? |
| 17:00.21 | sp3000 | no, the package maintainers try to mark dependencies correctly and sometimes fail |
| 17:00.44 | sp3000 | (sure there is some automation to that end of the work afaiui but...) |
| 17:01.33 | Devamax | From this point of view, port-based *nix are better ( gentoo, freebsd ) |
| 17:01.51 | sp3000 | in theory they never fail of course |
| 17:02.12 | sp3000 | nor in practice to any really noticeable extent |
| 17:04.07 | Devamax | Well, I've newer had problens with dependances on gentoo. In FreeBSD, sometimes. |
| 17:09.48 | bedboi | any information about chinook? |
| 17:09.52 | bedboi | i mean, any release date? |
| 17:10.29 | mgedmin | nokia's policy appears to be "if we never announce release dates in advance, we won't lose face if we're forced to delay them" |
| 17:11.18 | bedboi | eheh |
| 17:11.20 | bedboi | it can be |
| 17:12.02 | gla55 | or they don't have dates |
| 17:12.22 | gla55 | or have but don't think of them as achievable |
| 17:12.46 | bedboi | i guess that they just release when ready |
| 17:13.07 | bedboi | and announce when releasing |
| 17:17.59 | rodarvus | that would still be (much) better than announcing a release date 4 years in advance, and still managing to miss the release date - as does Microsoft. |
| 17:23.01 | Jiten | Devamax: The reason I switched to Debian a few years back was to get out of the dependency hell. It does resolve them automatically and the tools can. The difference with maemo is that when you install stuff, you mostly have to get it from unofficial repositories. |
| 17:23.26 | Jiten | debian has nearly everything you could need in the official repositories |
| 17:23.39 | Jiten | same as gentoo I suppose. |
| 17:24.18 | Devamax | Yeah. |
| 17:24.54 | Jiten | if there was a centralized repository with rules in place like debian's, dependency problems would pretty much vanish. |
| 17:25.13 | pupnik | that's true |
| 17:25.33 | Tak|work | there basically is, but everybody ignores it |
| 17:25.41 | pupnik | mud-builder? |
| 17:25.42 | _Monkey | rumour has it mud-builder is "Maemo Unofficial Debs" - an autobuilder for simple source ports that hosts them in a single repository. http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/index.php Forum at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10279 |
| 17:25.44 | Jiten | and it's made easy to ignore. |
| 17:26.40 | pupnik | what does mud stand for? i keep thinking multi-user dungeons |
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| 17:27.00 | disq | maemo user something i think |
| 17:27.13 | disq | erm. "Maemo Unofficial Debs" |
| 17:28.20 | pupnik | heh |
| 17:28.21 | mgedmin | there's also Maemo Extras which is sort-of official |
| 17:28.25 | Tak|work | no, I mean maemo extras |
| 17:29.15 | Jiten | it's too easy to ignore so it gets ignored. |
| 17:30.00 | Tak|work | how is the ease of ignorability any different than with the debian repos? |
| 17:31.11 | Jiten | the .install files I think |
| 17:31.12 | disq | maemo extras isn't official. it's just "hard to get access to" and "hard to configure" :P |
| 17:31.28 | Tak|work | hard to get access? |
| 17:31.33 | disq | erm, i'm talking about garage extras |
| 17:31.42 | Tak|work | compared to debian? |
| 17:32.09 | disq | hard to get access = you mail the garage maintainer and he sets you up with a garage repo "invitation" which then you upload your pgp and ssh keys |
| 17:32.17 | |R | Tak|work : what did you corect in fceu bora4-b ? i didn't get the weird doubling since the first time though... |
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| 17:33.06 | disq | but there's no mechanism to check the debs, once you're inside you can upload anything (provided you sign the deb first) |
| 17:33.30 | Tak|work | |R: try something for the initial button show, doublecheck that doubling is disabled on shutdown |
| 17:34.07 | |R | ok, first part didn't work |
| 17:34.13 | Tak|work | :-/ |
| 17:36.28 | |R | i have to hit home, cancel, and then tap de game screen, start, game screen and it refreshes |
| 17:36.32 | |R | go figure :) |
| 17:36.46 | |R | the button are "their" though.. |
| 17:37.28 | |R | there |
| 17:37.29 | |R | argh |
| 17:39.28 | Tak|work | hm - if you just start playing, they never draw themselves? |
| 17:39.48 | |R | let me see... |
| 17:40.44 | |R | doesn't look like it |
| 17:41.33 | |R | nop played and quited after and they never showed up |
| 17:41.39 | |R | gotta leave again, ttyl :) |
| 17:43.08 | lardman | bye chaps |
| 17:44.06 | alterego | Has anyone used GtkTreeView in a maemo app yet? |
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| 17:46.04 | Tak|work | difficult enough to navigate with a standard mouse |
| 17:46.18 | alterego | O_o |
| 17:47.34 | Devamax | Guys, reflashing destroy all files on filesystem? Should I pull out sd cards? |
| 17:47.50 | sp3000 | it only affects the internal flash |
| 17:48.02 | alterego | Devamax, you shouldn't have to, but if it makes you feel more secure do it :P |
| 17:48.33 | Devamax | Internal - you mean built-in, do you? |
| 17:49.20 | alterego | He means _inside_ the device. |
| 17:49.30 | alterego | The flash memory that stores the OS. |
| 17:49.41 | Devamax | yeh, i meant it |
| 17:49.49 | Devamax | Thank you! |
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| 18:04.25 | Tak|work | is there a way to derive a HildonWindow from a GtkWindow? |
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| 18:15.50 | nomis | Tak|work: it already is derived from a GtkWindow |
| 18:16.08 | Mikho | would anyone have any idea what "Global symbol "$me" requires explicit package name at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-checkbuilddeps line 82." means? I'm trying to make a debian package (with 'make deb'), and it has worked perfectly for a very long time, but now it suddenly stopped working with that error message |
| 18:17.00 | Devamax | Damn again. I'v left usb cabel at home. Now I have to work instead of reflashing :))). |
| 18:18.25 | alterego | Okay, I wasn't going crazy .. |
| 18:18.40 | alterego | Maemo Gtk has disabled the arrows in GtkTreeView! |
| 18:19.39 | disq | alterego: see maemopadplus source on how to circumvent that (it's basically installing a gtkrc file and calling a gtk func) |
| 18:20.06 | Mikho | so... is it just because I happened to install the debian-lenny devkit? The same files compile perfectly into a deb package on another computer |
| 18:20.20 | Mikho | how can I remove installed devkits from a target? |
| 18:20.53 | alterego | :/ |
| 18:20.56 | alterego | Damn connection. |
| 18:21.38 | Tak|work | nomis: I mean, given a GtkWindow instance, to create a HildonWindow instance using it |
| 18:22.39 | alterego | disq, right. It doesn't really matter. I thought there was something broken in my ruby bindings :/ |
| 18:23.13 | disq | no, it's just maemo that's broken |
| 18:23.25 | alterego | I was hoping that was the case :) |
| 18:24.25 | alterego | Well, now I've sorted that .. |
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| 18:28.00 | celesteh | hola |
| 18:28.00 | _Monkey | privet, celesteh |
| 18:28.30 | Devamax | Tut i nashi est :). |
| 18:28.40 | Mikho | ok... I just needed to 'setup' the target again. It removed the old devkits if I didn't choose them |
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| 18:35.21 | Devamax | what's broken packages? |
| 18:36.18 | Devamax | I recieve an error "package unistallable" and "E: Boken packages" errors. |
| 18:39.58 | nomis | Tak|work: no, that is not possible. |
| 18:40.08 | nomis | Tak|work: at least not with a *lot* of poking around. |
| 18:40.42 | nomis | Tak|work: do you have control over the code creating the GtkWindow? |
| 18:40.58 | Tak|work | heh - what I've done for now is reparent the window's child to a HildonWindow |
| 18:41.31 | Tak|work | nomis: I'm using libglade :-/ |
| 18:42.13 | Tak|work | I wish hildon automagically rendered GtkSpinButtons as HildonNumberEditors |
| 18:43.05 | nomis | Tak|work: I was about to suggest something similiar: omit the creation of the GtkWindow and just create the container. |
| 18:43.17 | nomis | Tak|work: using libglade of course then is shooting yourself in the foot. |
| 18:46.31 | Tak|work | meh |
| 18:47.02 | Tak|work | manually writing hundreds of lines of gtk boilerplate is shooting myself in both feet |
| 18:47.18 | nomis | actually I don't know libglade, maybe it allows you to create a sub-tree of your widget hierarchy |
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| 18:51.19 | alterego | My HDD just crashed ^_^ |
| 18:51.27 | alterego | That's never happened to me before. |
| 18:51.39 | gla55 | there's always the first time |
| 18:51.43 | gla55 | totally dead? |
| 18:51.48 | alterego | Yup |
| 18:51.51 | alterego | Just had to replace it. |
| 18:51.56 | gla55 | doesn't spin? |
| 18:52.07 | Tak|work | what I would *really* like to do is create an alternate glade layout using a hildonwindow and some hildonnumbereditors, but libglade won't see a HildonWindow if I drop it in |
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| 18:52.41 | alterego | gla55, nope. Dead as a door post. It clicked and died. |
| 18:55.11 | alterego | I tapped it, hit it a bit harder but still no life. |
| 18:55.14 | gla55 | alterego: tried the freezer method(if it's stuck bearings)? i never had anyone i knew try it |
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| 18:55.17 | alterego | Oh well, luck I had a space. |
| 18:55.20 | alterego | ~spare |
| 18:55.30 | Tak|work | hmm - sardine will have libglade-hildon :-/ |
| 18:55.59 | alterego | gla55, I might experiment wih that if I get the time. |
| 18:56.06 | alterego | Not really any point. I've not lost anything. |
| 18:56.34 | gla55 | dunno if i'd bother either if i hadnt lost anything |
| 18:56.47 | alterego | Well, it might be interesting to see if it works. |
| 18:56.55 | gla55 | yeah |
| 18:56.56 | alterego | I've always wondered about that freezer thing .. |
| 18:57.10 | alterego | And this is the first time I've had a hard drive fail on me. |
| 18:58.02 | gla55 | i havent had no spins |
| 18:58.14 | gla55 | just things like one hd that apparently one disk surface shot etc |
| 18:58.24 | alterego | Weird. |
| 18:58.54 | alterego | My dad used to use a drive that every now-and-again stuck. So you had to hit it pretty hard to get it to unstick and spin up. |
| 18:59.02 | gla55 | heh |
| 18:59.04 | alterego | That drive is still in use today I believe. |
| 18:59.19 | alterego | :) |
| 18:59.22 | gla55 | dunno if i'd use it for actually storing anything |
| 18:59.26 | alterego | Probably only a 250Mb if that. |
| 18:59.36 | gla55 | heh |
| 19:00.13 | gla55 | and i'd go on using pretty crap hw |
| 19:00.46 | alterego | I've got what I'd like to call a "distributed filesystem". It basically works in a similar fashion to me having say, 10 bedrooms. |
| 19:00.54 | alterego | You see, _I_ know where everything is :) |
| 19:01.07 | alterego | And there are multiples of multiples everywhere. |
| 19:01.09 | gla55 | my current choice of usb disk http://www.flickr.com/photos/glasslife/1506470813/ |
| 19:01.30 | alterego | Also, I have revision control, because at least one of my machines will have an old version of a file. |
| 19:01.46 | alterego | So I'm sorted ^_^ |
| 19:02.05 | Devamax | Yeeeeee I've installed another brouther). |
| 19:02.09 | Devamax | browser |
| 19:02.09 | _Monkey | i guess browser is open sources |
| 19:02.12 | Devamax | I mean). |
| 19:03.49 | Devamax | Guys, how to make icons on the desctop? some soft ala linux fbicons? |
| 19:04.32 | alterego | Devamax, look for "IDEA!" |
| 19:04.54 | alterego | It's a neat desklet that allows you to make launcher buttons. |
| 19:05.21 | Devamax | Thank you! |
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| 19:06.43 | Devamax | Oh my god. There's apache and bind in repository... it can be a web and dns server 0_o I wounder about php and mysql ))) And I'll have LAMP on a palm ))))))). |
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| 19:08.57 | alterego | Devamax, yes, all that is available. |
| 19:09.07 | alterego | Not that I'd recommend it :P |
| 19:09.34 | Devamax | But the fact itself is... empressive, I would say ))). |
| 19:09.42 | Devamax | or impressive ). |
| 19:11.58 | alterego | I'd say it's more interesting :P |
| 19:12.20 | alterego | Sure, I can understand wanting to have a HTTP server on the device. But Apache? |
| 19:12.49 | alterego | The DNS server I don't get. Though probably because I'm not doing any weird networking things with my devices. |
| 19:18.02 | |R | Tak|work : you've got mail! haha ;) |
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| 19:18.20 | Devamax | Well, the point is - you can get with linux what you'll never get with win. |
| 19:18.28 | Devamax | On such devices. |
| 19:20.52 | Tak|work | damn. |
| 19:22.25 | Devamax | BTW, in Moscow nokia sd cards cost 100$ for 2 GB, and, for exaple, kingston 2GB cards - only 30$. I've bought one nokia and one kingston - and I don't feel any difference for now. Is it market specific question, or nokia cards a really better? |
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| 19:25.37 | gla55 | probably not any better |
| 19:25.41 | gla55 | it reads nokia though |
| 19:25.55 | gla55 | some people want to buy brand in everything so "it'll work for sure" or whatever |
| 19:26.17 | Devamax | kingston is also rather famous brand// |
| 19:26.25 | Devamax | ram and so on... |
| 19:27.36 | gla55 | yeah it's a good brand, but it's not a kingston device you were buying it for. i guess the logic being here that nokia provides nokia cards to whoever wants to buy them |
| 19:27.55 | Devamax | probably :). |
| 19:34.45 | |R | and it's probably rebranded anyway :P |
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| 19:36.30 | gla55 | of course |
| 19:36.42 | |R | (from kingston haha ;) |
| 19:37.45 | RobAtWork | [14:28] <gla55> probably not any better |
| 19:37.45 | RobAtWork | [14:28] <gla55> it reads nokia though |
| 19:37.45 | RobAtWork | [14:28] <gla55> some people want to buy brand in everything so "it'll work for sure" or whatever |
| 19:37.48 | RobAtWork | oops |
| 19:37.56 | RobAtWork | :S |
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| 20:17.16 | |R | haha |
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| 20:19.55 | |R | 2 sec, restarting :P |
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| 20:26.48 | |R | :) |
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| 21:15.05 | tb0n3 | anybody know if there's a SIRF III compatible gps daemon for debian? |
| 21:15.38 | tb0n3 | cause I'm runnin down somewhere but I'm taking a different route and would love to have my gps but was windows based and .net 2.0 |
| 21:16.44 | tb0n3 | http://osdir.com/ml/hardware.gps.gpsd.devel/2005-12/msg00011.html |
| 21:16.47 | tb0n3 | lawlz |
| 21:17.40 | |R | :] |
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| 21:23.15 | Formal | Does the amount of swap u dedicate for virtual mem only depend on the size of the memory card? |
| 21:23.15 | milhouse | no, there are hard limits - 64MB on 770 and 128MB on N800 |
| 21:23.15 | Formal | Or does the os put a limitation on it? |
| 21:23.36 | milhouse | even if you have a 2GB partition on an N800, you still won't be allowed to create a swap file larger than 128MB |
| 21:24.11 | Formal | Do u know why that is? Is it to save cpu/battery life? |
| 21:24.49 | milhouse | you might be able to create a swap file larger than 128MB manually, but I think the device will crash; you may have more luck with a swap partition >128MB, but then you can't unmount the card (which basically means you can't remove the battery cover while the device is booted) |
| 21:25.16 | suihkulokki | umm incorrect |
| 21:25.22 | milhouse | Formal: I don't why the limits are there, but it's probably no coincidence that the maximum swap file size matches the amount of physical ram on each device |
| 21:25.28 | milhouse | suijkilokki: probably :) |
| 21:25.54 | milhouse | s/suijkilokki/suihkulokki/ |
| 21:25.55 | suihkulokki | you can create as big swapfile as you want, if you do it by hand |
| 21:26.16 | suihkulokki | and it will get automatically used/unused if you call it .swap |
| 21:26.25 | milhouse | i think i've seen people say they've done this, and the devices crap out |
| 21:26.48 | suihkulokki | however, big swapfiles are not really usefull |
| 21:27.11 | suihkulokki | if your system ends up trashing hard, it come slow as hell |
| 21:27.19 | Formal | Thanks guys, i've been wondering about this, but i still haven't received my new mem card |
| 21:27.41 | milhouse | if you've got an N800... make sure you have the new kernel :) |
| 21:27.45 | Formal | Just means more storage for media |
| 21:28.02 | Formal | 770 for me |
| 21:28.20 | tb0n3 | 770 has a kernel for highspeed/2GB memorycards |
| 21:28.25 | tb0n3 | just installed it last night |
| 21:28.38 | tb0n3 | fastfastfast |
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| 21:28.53 | Formal | Sweet, thats what's on the way |
| 21:29.10 | tb0n3 | well, you have to install the kernel |
| 21:29.20 | tb0n3 | flash* |
| 21:29.31 | tb0n3 | woooooo |
| 21:29.39 | Formal | What version is it? |
| 21:29.50 | Tb0n3 | don't remember, 1 second |
| 21:30.10 | Tb0n3 | zImage-su-18-200639-2gb-mmcplus52Mhz is the file |
| 21:30.31 | Tb0n3 | only for the mmcmobile I think though |
| 21:31.17 | Formal | Alrighty can the file be found in the maemo garage? |
| 21:31.39 | milhouse | fanoush |
| 21:31.40 | _Monkey | has many hacks on his website http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo |
| 21:31.44 | milhouse | check there ^ |
| 21:31.54 | Tb0n3 | there we go |
| 21:31.57 | Tb0n3 | didn't remember |
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| 21:32.05 | Formal | Thanks |
| 21:32.40 | Tb0n3 | though there's a hannoushe jewelers around here, don't know if I'm spelling that right. |
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| 21:33.12 | milhouse | Fanoush is a jewel in the NIT hacking community... (sorry) |
| 21:33.27 | Formal | I've only had my 770 for a week, but i've been rather busy putting together a theme |
| 21:33.38 | Tb0n3 | already? |
| 21:33.56 | Formal | I'll post em when they are complete |
| 21:34.41 | Formal | I'm quite please with the little device |
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| 21:35.19 | Formal | Just wish i had some programming skills |
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| 21:36.00 | Formal | ...Damn all that time in rt school! |
| 21:36.18 | Formal | - |
| 21:39.17 | pupnik | uh fan... is a serious hacker |
| 21:39.22 | pupnik | we don't have many of those |
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| 21:41.00 | Formal | Has anybody tried recruiting some of the developers from jlime720? |
| 21:41.23 | Formal | They are all a hard working bunch |
| 21:41.40 | pupnik | 720 = ? |
| 21:42.06 | Formal | HP Jornada 720 |
| 21:43.16 | alterego | Yeah, who needs serious hackers when you have idiots like me! :) |
| 21:43.27 | Tb0n3 | so, the archos 605 looks neat |
| 21:45.20 | playya | is it hard to code bluetooth stuff with python fpr n800? |
| 21:46.03 | alterego | playya, be the first and tell us ;) |
| 21:46.21 | playya | that sounds funny |
| 21:46.39 | alterego | That's odd, my jokes are usually rubbish .. |
| 21:46.41 | suihkulokki | playya: have you coded bluetooth stuff on your pc? |
| 21:46.44 | playya | but i first i buy good python book |
| 21:46.56 | playya | i dont think so |
| 21:47.40 | suihkulokki | playya: http://org.csail.mit.edu/pybluez/ |
| 21:47.59 | playya | ok thx |
| 21:48.14 | suihkulokki | playya: it should be as easy/hard to develop pybluez stuff on pc than on n800. the api is same. |
| 21:48.16 | playya | thinking about a n800 remote tool for mms |
| 21:48.22 | suihkulokki | mms? |
| 21:48.35 | playya | mymediasystem,org |
| 21:49.13 | Formal | That 605 does look kinda fun |
| 21:49.47 | playya | nice but too expensive |
| 21:49.56 | playya | my next device is a openmoko |
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| 21:50.25 | Formal | What does it cost? |
| 21:50.46 | playya | 450$ |
| 21:51.13 | Tb0n3 | $300 for openmoko |
| 21:51.16 | playya | +shipping |
| 21:51.18 | Tb0n3 | with dev |
| 21:51.25 | Tb0n3 | that's what I read last on their site |
| 21:51.46 | playya | $300 for the pre relaesed dev version without gsm, umts, wlan,... |
| 21:52.02 | playya | and all 150 devices are sold |
| 21:52.26 | pupnik | alterego: you've done very useful stuff in a short time |
| 21:52.28 | Formal | Open moko seems cool, but i just want an asus eee |
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| 21:52.51 | Tb0n3 | :O |
| 21:53.04 | playya | i want the next n800 |
| 21:53.08 | Tb0n3 | asus eee |
| 21:53.09 | Tb0n3 | lulz |
| 21:53.20 | Tb0n3 | they didn't keep their promises |
| 21:53.35 | Formal | And u laugh because? |
| 21:53.49 | pupnik | asus doesn't fit in pocket, nokia does |
| 21:53.50 | playya | eeePc is with win? |
| 21:54.01 | Formal | Yah thts what made me get a 770 |
| 21:54.39 | Formal | Eeepc come with some linux distro to start out |
| 21:54.57 | pupnik | nothing... nothing comes close to a nokia for me |
| 21:55.06 | Formal | You can install win if u wanted |
| 21:55.09 | milhouse | yet :) |
| 21:55.26 | Tb0n3 | 4GB hdd |
| 21:55.27 | milhouse | s/yet/@pupnik: yet/ |
| 21:55.34 | pupnik | yeah i know |
| 21:55.46 | Tb0n3 | also, they laughed at their low prices and said woops |
| 21:55.49 | pupnik | they will get competition in 2008 |
| 21:55.52 | Formal | The new 800 would be nice...no more virtual keyboard |
| 21:56.04 | milhouse | come on 2008... hurry up!! |
| 21:56.04 | playya | really? |
| 21:56.48 | pupnik | yes check the intel roadmap - the bastards will have almost-useful portable cpus in 2008 and 2009 |
| 21:57.00 | Formal | I dunno what i would do with my 770 when it does come out |
| 21:57.30 | milhouse | i like to fondle mine from time to time (my 770 that is) |
| 21:57.38 | Tb0n3 | mmmm, 770 |
| 21:57.45 | alterego | Heh |
| 21:57.46 | pupnik | never selling mine |
| 21:57.50 | milhouse | it reminds me how fugly and heavy the N800 is, and how I miss the hard cover... |
| 21:57.52 | Formal | For $130 new i couldn't pass it up |
| 21:57.56 | Tb0n3 | I never can figure out what to do with the case when I wanna use it right |
| 21:58.00 | Tb0n3 | same here |
| 21:58.02 | milhouse | mine is priceless :) |
| 21:58.09 | Tb0n3 | mine was 140 but with 1GB mmcmobile card |
| 21:58.12 | playya | i have a logitech diNovo right to my n800 |
| 21:58.25 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 21:58.28 | Tb0n3 | carry around much? |
| 21:58.30 | Tb0n3 | :P |
| 21:58.42 | Tb0n3 | I wish I had the money to get a bluetooth portable keyboard |
| 21:58.59 | Tb0n3 | also a zaurus cl-r3200 |
| 21:59.03 | alterego | I'm not sure I'd have a use for a BT keyboard. |
| 21:59.04 | milhouse | i bought one of those - stopped using it within the first week |
| 21:59.11 | playya | Im not allowed to carry the n800 |
| 21:59.14 | alterego | I don't do much typing on the device. |
| 21:59.15 | Tb0n3 | errr |
| 21:59.16 | Formal | Mmc cards are way to hard to find in stores |
| 21:59.18 | Tb0n3 | SL-C3200 |
| 21:59.55 | Formal | Have u ever played aound with a zaurus? |
| 21:59.55 | pupnik | zaurus was nice but $800 |
| 21:59.55 | milhouse | it was too much hassle to unpack the bt keyboard (it's a stowaway sierra folding job) and easier to use the vkb |
| 22:00.23 | Tb0n3 | no, never used a zaurus |
| 22:00.30 | Tb0n3 | but it was my other choice before I saw the 770 |
| 22:00.38 | Tb0n3 | well, the SL-5000 |
| 22:00.40 | playya | a friend of mine has an old one |
| 22:00.48 | Tb0n3 | err 5500 |
| 22:00.51 | Tb0n3 | jesus |
| 22:01.18 | Tb0n3 | built in keyboard and such |
| 22:01.19 | playya | http://www.twinsbyte.de/hardware/reviews_07/logitech_dinovo_edge/picview.php?image=4.jpg |
| 22:01.23 | playya | very nice |
| 22:01.36 | Formal | The price always kept me away from the zaurus |
| 22:01.51 | Formal | I'm ruff with portables |
| 22:01.56 | playya | and zaurus ars only available in japan :( |
| 22:01.57 | Tb0n3 | if I won the lottery I would have soooooo much shit I wouldn't have a day without something new |
| 22:02.14 | playya | i love portables too |
| 22:02.24 | playya | just playing coding... |
| 22:02.33 | Tb0n3 | I've got myself a PSPcf |
| 22:02.43 | Tb0n3 | which is nice, but now I have me a 770 |
| 22:02.49 | Formal | www.dynamism.com is a good importer |
| 22:02.50 | playya | psp is too expensive |
| 22:02.54 | Tb0n3 | ha |
| 22:03.05 | Tb0n3 | I play me sum free games |
| 22:03.08 | Tb0n3 | for free |
| 22:03.15 | Formal | at least u get a warrenty |
| 22:03.19 | Tb0n3 | also FF7 |
| 22:03.36 | Tb0n3 | I have never broken anything I've owned |
| 22:03.36 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 22:03.44 | Tb0n3 | unless I took it apart |
| 22:03.51 | Formal | Lucky you! |
| 22:04.02 | Tb0n3 | <3 taking things apart |
| 22:04.26 | kuzew | Anyone know if they have kdm or gdm compiled for n770/800 so one can pick between the native window manager, XFCE and KDE via a nice gui? |
| 22:05.06 | Tb0n3 | what about keyboard? |
| 22:05.27 | Tb0n3 | it just seems like it wouldn't work better than the original |
| 22:05.40 | playya | err the n800 has a special X server |
| 22:05.54 | alterego | It's special? |
| 22:05.55 | playya | might be hard to build this |
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| 22:06.09 | playya | i dont know how to say |
| 22:06.50 | playya | adjusted X |
| 22:06.55 | playya | better word |
| 22:07.47 | pupnik | yes but the xserver is independent from the windowmanager |
| 22:08.48 | playya | yes |
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| 22:09.12 | playya | i thought about porting e but not at the moment |
| 22:10.12 | Blacksitox | hi |
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| 22:12.42 | Tb0n3 | if I felt like getting used to e I'm sure I'd like it |
| 22:12.52 | Tb0n3 | but I like to have a manual |
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| 22:17.57 | alterego | I don't see the alure of E |
| 22:18.01 | alterego | I'm happy with Gnome. |
| 22:18.10 | alterego | In fact, I lurve gnome :P |
| 22:20.58 | Tb0n3 | I love xfce |
| 22:21.08 | Tb0n3 | it is gnome lite |
| 22:21.09 | Tb0n3 | lol |
| 22:23.44 | Jiten | playya: there are several e libs ported already I think. Some people are doing fancy stuff with them. |
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| 22:24.38 | Jiten | playya: like this one http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/07/24/iphone-like-virtual-keyboard-for-n800/ |
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| 22:24.56 | k-s[WORK] | :-) |
| 22:24.58 | k-s[WORK] | it's me |
| 22:25.04 | amr | hmpf |
| 22:25.12 | amr | 770 has crashed trying to install kagu |
| 22:25.41 | amr | its making the noises when i press the touchscreen but everything else is locked up |
| 22:26.15 | amr | should i just pull the battery? |
| 22:26.38 | pupnik | press power button for 6 seconds |
| 22:26.39 | Tb0n3 | wait |
| 22:26.44 | Tb0n3 | that never works pup |
| 22:26.45 | Tb0n3 | :( |
| 22:26.53 | pupnik | works here |
| 22:27.19 | amr | ooh just as i pressed it |
| 22:27.28 | amr | the bar started moving again |
| 22:30.12 | amr | great, now kagu scanner is doing nothing |
| 22:30.13 | amr | :| |
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| 22:32.03 | amr | oh it is, its crashing my tablet :D |
| 22:32.53 | amr | it just rebooted itself |
| 22:32.56 | Formal | Kagu wouldn't work for me either. Canola works great |
| 22:33.04 | amr | canola locked up on me too |
| 22:33.08 | amr | refused to scan |
| 22:33.16 | amr | it worked a couple weeks ago though |
| 22:33.45 | Tb0n3 | how do I set device permissions? |
| 22:33.59 | Tb0n3 | in debian/ubuntu |
| 22:34.03 | k-s[WORK] | amr: canola-conf may hang if you have some id3/exif that breaks it |
| 22:34.15 | k-s[WORK] | amr: we have no protection against that :-( |
| 22:34.44 | amr | ah |
| 22:34.56 | amr | hm, how do i check without going through each file |
| 22:35.20 | alterego | Anyone working on hildon integration with glade yet? |
| 22:35.26 | alterego | (think I might do it myself) |
| 22:35.56 | amr | pygame error: couldn't open /home/user/.kagu/album_cache.tga |
| 22:35.58 | amr | and kagu bombs |
| 22:36.09 | amr | im having all the luck in the world ^__^ |
| 22:40.25 | disq | wonder why kagu won't work |
| 22:40.37 | disq | you're trying 1.0.8, right? |
| 22:40.42 | amr | yes |
| 22:40.57 | amr | ill try wiping the files i added to my card recently |
| 22:41.05 | disq | if kagu-scanner doesn't finish properly it won't really work though |
| 22:41.21 | amr | yeah, it forced a reboot |
| 22:41.22 | disq | you should find out why scanner won't work. there should be a crash log in MyDocs |
| 22:41.28 | amr | oh ok |
| 22:41.54 | Tb0n3 | man, make verbose is just too much |
| 22:42.48 | amr | kagu-lastcrash |
| 22:42.49 | amr | here we go |
| 22:42.56 | amr | haha, unable to open |
| 22:43.02 | disq | kaguscanner-lastcrash is for the scanner |
| 22:43.18 | amr | oic |
| 22:43.51 | disq | if there's something there, try pastebin.ca (or you could spam #kagu as well :) ) |
| 22:44.14 | amr | kagu-lastcrash.log in MyDocs |
| 22:44.20 | amr | same error as i posted above |
| 22:44.29 | amr | pygame error: couldn't open /home/user/.kagu/album_cache.tga |
| 22:44.31 | disq | no kaguscanner-lastcrash.log? when you run scanner what happens? |
| 22:45.12 | amr | it presents me with the dialog, download album art etc |
| 22:45.13 | amr | i press ok |
| 22:45.21 | amr | it says scanning /media/mmc1 |
| 22:45.25 | amr | then it just locks up |
| 22:46.24 | amr | i think i might have removed the offending files |
| 22:46.25 | amr | ill try again |
| 22:46.42 | amr | im assuming its the same error as canola |
| 22:46.43 | disq | you could run "cd /usr/lib/kagu; ./kagu-scanner.py" from xterm and follow it there. there should be verbose messages so it should help |
| 22:46.57 | amr | ok ill try it after this scan now |
| 22:47.01 | disq | ok :) |
| 22:47.16 | amr | no progress bar activity, just displaying 'looking for files in /media/mmc1/ |
| 22:47.43 | disq | canola's id3 stuff doesn't work flawlessly for me. misses some tags and all. kagu uses a different lib |
| 22:47.45 | k-s[WORK] | amr: you can disable canola-applet, kill canola-conf and run it with debug |
| 22:48.03 | k-s[WORK] | amr: CANOLA_DEBUG=1 canola-conf -v -v -v |
| 22:48.11 | k-s[WORK] | disq: which lib do u use? |
| 22:48.13 | amr | ill have to put canola back on |
| 22:48.14 | disq | mutagen |
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| 22:48.20 | k-s[WORK] | disq: we use maemo's provided library :-( |
| 22:48.36 | amr | looks like its locked up again |
| 22:48.36 | k-s[WORK] | disq: we could use the same tech as amarok does |
| 22:48.46 | k-s[WORK] | disq: have 2 process, one to monitor |
| 22:49.05 | k-s[WORK] | disq: the scanner process would notify every file it process |
| 22:49.08 | disq | amr: weird. please try the xterm, if there's a glitch somewhere i'd like to fix it before the next release :) |
| 22:49.20 | k-s[WORK] | if it takes more than X seconds, then kill the process and restart with the next item in the list |
| 22:49.28 | k-s[WORK] | possible blacklist that item |
| 22:49.50 | amr | ok |
| 22:49.55 | disq | i don't like canola's autoscan on mmc-mount behavior |
| 22:50.15 | k-s[WORK] | disq: disable it |
| 22:50.21 | k-s[WORK] | disq: gconf-editor |
| 22:50.26 | disq | i should, now that i don't use canola at all :P |
| 22:50.35 | k-s[WORK] | AFAIR it's possible to disable it there |
| 22:50.44 | k-s[WORK] | :-D |
| 22:50.53 | k-s[WORK] | you'll like the next version |
| 22:50.58 | k-s[WORK] | it will be in python too |
| 22:51.10 | k-s[WORK] | and hopefully we'll be able to accept plugins |
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| 22:51.29 | disq | disabled. mmm. do you have a timeframe? |
| 22:51.32 | k-s[WORK] | the first version was able, but due license restrictions we couldn't release the header files and like |
| 22:51.33 | k-s[WORK] | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.33 | disq | like, in 6 months? 2 years? |
| 22:51.50 | k-s[WORK] | disq: we should finish it by december, first betas by next year |
| 22:51.57 | k-s[WORK] | we're slow, but not that much! |
| 22:51.59 | k-s[WORK] | :-D |
| 22:52.07 | disq | :P |
| 22:52.09 | k-s[WORK] | disq: part of the time we spent working on EFL |
| 22:52.17 | k-s[WORK] | the UI infrastructure we'll use |
| 22:52.23 | disq | EFL stuff is exciting |
| 22:52.26 | k-s[WORK] | way better than SDL |
| 22:52.41 | amr | ok kagu-scanner.py is running |
| 22:52.48 | amr | preparing, looking for files |
| 22:52.48 | disq | we'll probably use GTK for 2.0 |
| 22:52.49 | k-s[WORK] | I'm trying to make python-efl as good as possible |
| 22:52.56 | k-s[WORK] | disq: :-( |
| 22:52.57 | amr | exception accessing manager and friends |
| 22:53.04 | amr | prefs: exception accessing manager and friends |
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| 22:53.17 | amr | thats it so far |
| 22:53.19 | disq | that's no error :) OK the dialog and go on |
| 22:53.30 | amr | i did |
| 22:53.33 | amr | its running now |
| 22:53.48 | disq | okay.. let's see where it hangs |
| 22:54.03 | amr | when i minimise the term to go back to the scanner the bar is greyd and the text is gone |
| 22:54.07 | amr | if that makes any difference |
| 22:54.07 | Mohero | Hi all. |
| 22:54.08 | _Monkey | Hi all. is there a decent flickr mass uploader for the n800 ye? |
| 22:54.29 | disq | it's scanner's bad gtk code, something i'm responsible for. shouldn't effect the scanning process |
| 22:54.34 | amr | ah |
| 22:54.35 | amr | ok |
| 22:54.38 | Mohero | just a quick question, is Maeomo only for Nikia handsets, or will it run on PDA's based on Intel Processors? |
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| 22:55.18 | amr | still going |
| 22:55.27 | disq | maemo is by definition for "nokia internet tablets" but some parts of maemo will be used in the upcoming Intel MID devices |
| 22:55.49 | disq | (like the hildon desktop) |
| 22:56.02 | Mohero | okies |
| 22:56.18 | Mohero | in that case do you kow of a good project that does run on intel based PDA's |
| 22:56.29 | Mohero | preferably one that has Cell / SMS working... |
| 22:57.29 | Mohero | if you don't then that's ok, i'm just curious and WM6 is far far far too slow.... |
| 22:57.39 | disq | you mean the windows-mobile devices. nothing comes to mind |
| 22:57.53 | Mohero | and it's my only windows based *thing* |
| 22:57.56 | Mohero | ok, thanks anyway |
| 22:58.30 | amr | still scanning :p |
| 22:58.54 | amr | oh |
| 22:58.57 | amr | the screen went black |
| 22:59.30 | amr | now im back to the terminal |
| 23:00.48 | disq | oh |
| 23:00.57 | amr | still running |
| 23:01.40 | disq | maybe it just takes too long. downloading images from last.fm takes a while |
| 23:01.47 | amr | oh ok |
| 23:02.03 | amr | actually that might be it, i think my connection is a bit funny |
| 23:02.25 | amr | shall i end this and try again with no cover downloading? |
| 23:02.54 | disq | if you can't bear it, yeah sure |
| 23:03.17 | disq | a ctrl+c won't break anything db-wise |
| 23:03.29 | amr | well it took me a good dozen times to get the tablet to actually connect to download kagu |
| 23:03.42 | amr | so i wouldnt be surprised if it cant download cover art |
| 23:04.58 | amr | now its not responding to input |
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| 23:05.42 | amr | heh, screen backed out again with a grey bar going across |
| 23:06.55 | disq | just ctrl+c a few times on the xterm |
| 23:08.47 | amr | yeah im running it again now |
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| 23:11.12 | disq | i should just make the actual scanner a seperate thread |
| 23:12.09 | amr | lol |
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| 23:14.31 | amr | hm im back to my desktop |
| 23:14.43 | amr | black title bar, xterm still highlighted on the left |
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| 23:15.08 | amr | blank* title bar |
| 23:16.45 | disq | if the prompt isn't back on the xterm that means it's still scanning/calculating |
| 23:16.52 | amr | ok |
| 23:17.16 | amr | a message box has popped up, but its blank :p |
| 23:17.36 | disq | that's just weird, shouldn't be :) |
| 23:17.48 | disq | if it doesn't come back just kill it and try running kagu |
| 23:18.18 | amr | i cant do anything |
| 23:18.32 | amr | the left bar has whited out |
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| 23:18.53 | amr | the shortcuts on the right of xterm have been whited |
| 23:18.53 | disq | memory issues? |
| 23:18.59 | amr | i have no idea |
| 23:19.31 | amr | haha, the message was 'not responding' |
| 23:19.38 | amr | kagu scanner was killed apparently |
| 23:19.39 | disq | heh |
| 23:19.42 | amr | :/ |
| 23:19.47 | disq | memory? swap? |
| 23:19.55 | amr | i have swap on |
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| 23:25.08 | Tb0n3 | :( source files for ubuntu lack so hard |
| 23:25.14 | Tb0n3 | and all |
| 23:25.26 | Tb0n3 | debian, I "make" something, it makes just fine |
| 23:25.49 | Tb0n3 | I try to make me sum gpsd and I get this... http://pastebin.com/d5a3b8313 |
| 23:30.33 | amr | k-s[WORK], |
| 23:30.37 | amr | when i run canola-conf-rescan.sh from xterm |
| 23:30.45 | k-s[WORK] | amr: don't run it |
| 23:30.49 | amr | oh |
| 23:30.50 | k-s[WORK] | amr: it's just a dbus call |
| 23:30.53 | amr | ok |
| 23:30.56 | k-s[WORK] | amr: you'll get no debug |
| 23:30.57 | amr | how do i run the rescan? |
| 23:31.13 | k-s[WORK] | amr: instead, kill canola-conf and disable canola-applet (to avoid relaunching canola-conf) |
| 23:31.22 | k-s[WORK] | amr: now go to Xterm and run: |
| 23:31.30 | k-s[WORK] | CANOLA_DEBUG=1 canola-conf -v -v -v |
| 23:31.45 | k-s[WORK] | it should print SQL queries about files it process |
| 23:31.53 | Tb0n3 | well |
| 23:31.56 | Tb0n3 | didn't have ncurses |
| 23:31.57 | k-s[WORK] | usually it check if file already exist in DB |
| 23:32.02 | Tb0n3 | ncurses-base |
| 23:32.06 | k-s[WORK] | and retrieve it's mtime |
| 23:32.37 | amr | hm it wont die |
| 23:33.01 | amr | oh ok nevermind |
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| 23:33.09 | k-s[WORK] | amr: close canola and canola-applet |
| 23:33.20 | k-s[WORK] | it uses dbus activation to restart it |
| 23:33.27 | k-s[WORK] | s/it/they/ |
| 23:35.42 | amr | glib warning, canola 16384 main.c:106:main Failed to open connection to bus: Unable to determine address of the message bus |
| 23:36.11 | k-s[WORK] | amr: run from run-standalone.sh |
| 23:36.21 | k-s[WORK] | CANOLA_DEBUG=1 run-standalone.sh canola-conf -v -v -v |
| 23:36.48 | amr | ok 1 min |
| 23:37.48 | amr | got result code 2 from requesting nam |
| 23:37.58 | amr | main.c:128 |
| 23:39.25 | amr | advice? |
| 23:42.34 | k-s[WORK] | no :-/ |
| 23:43.07 | amr | lol |
| 23:43.09 | disq | i think it's your device/setup somehow |
| 23:43.37 | amr | its recently flashed |
| 23:43.54 | k-s[WORK] | amr: it should run and print lots of sql queries :-P |
| 23:44.00 | amr | this is frustrating |
| 23:44.05 | amr | canola definitely worked |
| 23:44.12 | amr | i used it on holiday, same card |
| 23:44.18 | amr | same music files |
| 23:44.34 | disq | could you run "free" and see how much free mem you have? |
| 23:44.40 | amr | ok min |
| 23:45.35 | amr | ugh, control panel has crashed |
| 23:46.27 | k-s[WORK] | ouch |
| 23:46.36 | amr | yea |
| 23:48.24 | amr | mem: total 62224 used 60612 free 1612 |
| 23:48.52 | amr | swap: total 24568 used 0 free 24568 |
| 23:49.39 | amr | and if i try to go to the memory bit in control panel |
| 23:49.41 | amr | things lock up |
| 23:50.01 | disq | weird i have 62200 total :) (5404 free) |
| 23:50.28 | amr | is my device broken? |
| 23:50.55 | amr | yep, memory in the control panel locks up the device |
| 23:50.58 | disq | no idea. did you try a cold boot? (unplugging the battery and plugging it back) |
| 23:51.03 | amr | ill try now |
| 23:51.21 | disq | latest(-ish) 770 firmware, right? |
| 23:51.25 | amr | yes |
| 23:51.28 | amr | the latest |
| 23:51.28 | _Monkey | i heard the latest was 0.5.1a and it contains maemo 1.1 : http://cdprojekte.mattiasschlenker.de/Public/Maemo_Live/0.5a/ |
| 23:51.37 | disq | _Monkey: forget latest |
| 23:51.38 | _Monkey | disq: I forgot latest |
| 23:52.01 | amr | ok its booted |
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| 23:52.22 | disq | try it all now :) |
| 23:52.34 | amr | same as before |
| 23:52.38 | amr | but free is 2972 |
| 23:52.51 | amr | total is 62224 for mem |
| 23:53.04 | amr | and opening the memory bit |
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| 23:53.22 | amr | makes it crash again |
| 23:53.27 | amr | brilliant |
| 23:54.03 | amr | trying to get on to the virtual tab so i can turn off swap and then turn it on again |
| 23:54.33 | disq | could disable swap altogether, could be the mmc |
| 23:54.50 | disq | your initial free memory is too low i think |
| 23:55.01 | amr | yeah, whats sucking that up? |
| 23:55.09 | amr | can i turn swap off from xterm |
| 23:55.25 | disq | yeah, run swapoff (as root) |
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| 23:58.28 | amr | swapoff .swap on /media/mmc1 |
| 23:58.33 | amr | and i get its a readonly filesyste |
| 23:58.34 | amr | m |
| 23:59.04 | disq | "swapoff /media/mmc1/.swap" works here |
| 23:59.35 | amr | nope, i get read only filesystem :S |
| 23:59.56 | amr | oh dear |
| 23:59.57 | amr | i cant make folders |
| 23:59.59 | amr | brilliant |
