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05:13.58varu|zZztrying thumb again, 'conflict with hildon-thumbnil 3.0.51+0m5'. only mention i've found in the forums was http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1358709&postcount=1604
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06:06.30varu|zZzgot it, info earlier in thread. kernel-power/cssu had to be installed
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10:42.46DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: could you check if DM3730 is supposed to have that thumb bug still?
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10:58.18DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: I'd suspect it's not a SiErr applicable to DM3730?
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11:28.11sixwheeledbeastvaru|zZz: did you read ~cssu-thumb links?
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12:28.10freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: afaik only the core in n900 is affected, later cores have that fixed
12:28.37Palimerlin1991: ping
12:29.41DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: :nod: thanks
12:30.33freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: we should(must?) use thumb2 for Neo900
12:30.46freemangordonand for n900 in that regard :P
12:30.48DocScrutinizer05shoukd, for sure
12:31.22DocScrutinizer05after all Neo900 is a newstart
12:31.51freemangordonis it? I mean, fremantle is not, put aside HW
12:32.01DocScrutinizer05even while it claims binary compatibility to N900, we should not miss to go new compatible routes wherever possible
12:32.08freemangordonsure
12:32.25freemangordonbut I don;t think we can afford to support 2 "distributions"
12:32.37DocScrutinizer05users don't expect stability of a N900 fremantle OS from beginning
12:32.42DocScrutinizer05it IS a newstart
12:33.22freemangordonMy vision is - one "distribution", for both devices, based on CSSU. With a HW adaptation package, if needed ofc
12:33.50DocScrutinizer05no new distro, but maybe one or another new lib, for sure a new kernel, several userland blobs replaced by patched or even FOSS-RE'd versions...
12:33.59freemangordon:nod:
12:34.01DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: exactly
12:34.30freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: thoug in order to achieve that, we should start doing it :)
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12:36.02freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: how "compatible" is gta04 to neo900? i.e. could it be used for "ptototyping" the OS, or the differences are too big and it will be a waste of time?
12:36.37freemangordonuntil there is a working neo900 ofc
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12:43.18merlin1991Pali: pong
12:44.01Palimerlin1991: qt merge request is waiting for you
12:44.44merlin1991yeah I'm on it atm :)
12:44.45dos1freemangordon: it should be pretty good platform for early work
12:45.14dos1freemangordon: but getting one may be a problem, there's not enough orders to make new production run
12:46.01freemangordonhmm, well then, we'll stick to n900 :)
12:46.04dos1getting one of broken ones (i mean, with some component being broken, like wifi) would be easier, as goldelico has few of them
12:46.42freemangordonPali: were you able to build and boot kernel-cssu?
12:47.09dos1openpandora also seems like a good choice for such stuff
12:47.55freemangordondos1: maybe, but who'll invest in buying device? I guess noone
12:48.11dos1yeah, this might be problematic :)
12:48.37dos1GTA04A4 second choice ca. 10 available; please Contact for a list boards completely tested but with some defects (e.g. no RS232, no Bluetooth, no WLAN, no UMTS voice, no I2C or OTG data broken)
12:50.15dos1I'll be getting one of them
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12:51.27freemangordonarcean_: hi, latest h-d sigaborts from time to time, unfortunately I am stupid and deleted the coredumps :(
12:53.04freemangordonarcean_: anyway, the abort is in hd_task_navigator_update_win_orientation
13:04.53Palifreemangordon: not yet, I included some more patches to kp53
13:05.01Paliso I will merge and build kcssu after that
13:06.29Palinow I need to do lot of other stuff...
13:19.43DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: N900 and GTA04 are sufficiently identical to get a basic maemo working
13:20.06DocScrutinizer05we'll deal with 90% of hw diffs in kernel
13:20.55DocScrutinizer05yiu can consider the modem identical to a USB stick attached to N900
13:21.49DocScrutinizer05the Neo900 and GTA04 are maybe less similar that the N900 and Neo900
13:22.13DocScrutinizer05s/that/than/
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13:23.35DocScrutinizer05kingoddball has an openpandora 1GHz DM3730 he's willing to test fremantle ports on
13:24.03DocScrutinizer05we'll find further test devices as soon as they are needed
13:24.25DocScrutinizer05there must be a few spare GTA04 with defects that are not blocking tests at large
13:24.43DocScrutinizer05like one has broken wifi, other one broken uSD, or whatever
13:25.06DocScrutinizer05broken modem would be a nobrainer anyway, since that changes no matter what
13:25.31DocScrutinizer05and as already quoted for data and command you can consider it USB-attached
13:27.00DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: holler as soon as you need a loaner
13:28.16DocScrutinizer05(the ones with working RS232 are particularly useful for kernel development - built-in console)
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15:13.42merlin1991kerio: ping
15:14.02keriopong
15:14.03keriohi
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15:14.08merlin1991hey :)
15:14.12cryptonitehello
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15:14.32freemangordonmerlin1991: weird, I don;t see why should hildon-thumbnail conflict with -mp package
15:14.47kerioDocScrutinizer05: USB-attached? what? :o
15:15.08DocScrutinizer05what what?
15:15.19keriowhat's usb-attached
15:15.26freemangordonmerlin1991: oh, hildon-thumbnail is not in -testing -mp :(
15:15.30DocScrutinizer05the cmt
15:15.30merlin1991friggin usb networking is killing me again, I set up dnsmasq on my pc so that it gives dns and dhcp, the n900 happily accepted the ip, and it even has the nameserver in /var/run/resolv.conf.usb0 but still claims not to be able resolve names
15:15.46keriois it connected via usb in the neo900?
15:16.06DocScrutinizer05y-e-s
15:16.16kerio:(
15:16.21DocScrutinizer05huhß
15:16.24DocScrutinizer05??
15:16.38freemangordoncryptonite: as root in terminal do:
15:16.38keriodoesn't it use more power than alternatives
15:16.45kerio?
15:16.52freemangordonapt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr=21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.2+thumb0
15:16.54DocScrutinizer05to be evaluated, not per se
15:17.22freemangordonmerlin1991: seems I have to issue a new -thumb -mp :)
15:19.18cryptonitewas not found
15:19.36merlin1991freemangordon: the -thumb repo purges older packages
15:19.55freemangordoncryptonite: wait some 15 minutes, I'll issue a new update
15:20.00cryptoniteok
15:20.00freemangordonmerlin1991: so?
15:21.19merlin1991it was a wild guess that you were attempting to install an older version of the mp ;)
15:21.38freemangordon21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.2+thumb0 is the latest
15:21.44freemangordonhowever
15:23.48ShadowJKdid 8.2+thumb1 just appear?
15:24.49freemangordonShadowJK: no, why is that? what will appear in a couple of minutes will be 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo8.3+thumb0
15:25.20ShadowJKoh it showed up in "apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr"
15:26.06DocScrutinizer05next one wining about "maemo not supported anymore" will get redirected to this
15:26.43merlin1991huh?
15:27.09DocScrutinizer05where else you get a new build in <60min after you report a problem?
15:27.19merlin1991ah :)
15:31.27freemangordonhehe
15:31.42freemangordoncryptonite: new update is out, please refresh catalogs in HAM first
15:33.09cryptoniteperfect it showed up
15:33.37cryptonitebut still
15:33.53cryptoniteit has the conflict with the hildon-thumbnail
15:33.56cryptonitedamn
15:34.00cryptoniteit
15:34.03freemangordondid you refresh?
15:34.09cryptoniteyeap
15:35.10freemangordondafuq?
15:35.16cryptoniteit showed the cssu thumb but the conflict remains
15:35.55freemangordonoh, shit :(
15:36.25freemangordonShadowJK: you are right, there IS  8.2+thumb1
15:36.38freemangordonfeels stupid
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15:44.48freemangordoncryptonite: should be ok now
15:44.52freemangordonplease try
15:52.51cryptonitewill try
15:54.07cryptoniteupdating right now
15:54.08cryptonitethanx
15:54.18freemangordoncryptonite: is it ok now?
15:54.29freemangordonno more conflicts?
15:57.12cryptoniteyeap
15:57.23freemangordongood :)
15:57.29cryptoniteit is downloading the update
15:57.31cryptonite:)
15:57.58cryptoniteso what was the issue?
15:58.01freemangordonnice. is it your first cssu install? or you were on -testing?
15:58.25freemangordoncryptonite: I forgot to push some changes
15:59.19freemangordoncryptonite: this https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/mp-fremantle-community-pr/commit/f24153c4a942c22728919c3777799e806e0eb2c2
15:59.37cryptonitei had cssu-thumb but my optfs got corrupted and was erased(still dont know how that happened), then the phone got crazy and all the graphics got corrupted so i reflashed and had the conflict problem
16:00.12freemangordonmerlin1991: I was wondering - to workaround the tracker issue, could we merge decoder-support woth tracker?
16:00.18freemangordon*with
16:00.41freemangordoncryptonite: aah, ok
16:00.57merlin1991freemangordon: the problem is we'd pull in stuff to cssu not everybody has installed
16:01.12cryptonitepainful days
16:01.36freemangordonmerlin1991: yes, but I wouldn;t assume a problem the ability to support more media formats
16:02.24freemangordonon the other hand we shouldn;t rely on -extras repo :(
16:02.56merlin1991arf the merge request of QT doesn't build again
16:07.12cryptonitefrom now on should i have extras-testing enabled or disabled?
16:07.18cryptonitecaused i read somewhere that it conflicts with cssu-testing,is it true?
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16:21.17merlin1991cryptonite: absolutely not true
16:21.45merlin1991cssu-testing has nothing whatsoever todo with extras-testing
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17:00.12merlin1991I totally forgot how long qt4 takes to build
17:21.02merlin1991but it works
17:21.02merlin1991yay
17:55.03Palifreemangordon, merlin1991: PA in cssu-devel looks like working fine: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1383838#post1383838
17:55.13Paliadd it to next CSSU-T
17:55.39freemangordonPali: did you commit the changes on gitorious?
17:55.46PaliPA changes? yes
17:56.17freemangordonok, will test it on my device for a couple of days and will include it in cssu-thumb if working fine
17:56.31Paliok
17:56.44Paliif you have PA on desktop, you can test network support too :-)
17:56.59Palihttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/pulseaudio/commit/1c4f502662547db1c07e8f7a6e282fbb2b3e575b
17:57.00freemangordonis on wondoze :P
17:57.07freemangordon*windoze
17:57.08Palihttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/pulseaudio/source/master:debian/patches/0204-pa-protocol-version.patch
17:57.17PaliPA is for WIN32 too :P
17:57.23freemangordonhehe
17:58.15Palinow I upgraded PA from 1.1 to 3.0 on desktop and now it using only 3.5 MB and zero CPU activity...
17:58.27Palilooks like they trying to fix it...
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22:25.05merlin1991~listkeys extras
22:25.26merlin1991~extras-devel
22:25.26infoboti guess extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel
22:27.07merlin1991infobot extras-devel-light is a reduced extras-devel with only the newest version of each package, also supports packagediffs http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/
22:27.07infobotokay, merlin1991
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