| 00:21.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | no surprise :-) |
| 00:22.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I still wonder if your powertop is our powertop |
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| 00:24.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | does it look like this? ->http://privatepaste.com/1181481a43 |
| 00:25.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | what breaks is the "Frequency" col, just on top, which can't handle the increased number of freq steps |
| 00:25.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and thus freaks out |
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| 06:04.42 | freemangordon | FatPhil: keep in mind those patches are already revisited in smartreflex... (whatever I called it) patch |
| 06:07.36 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: "his" powertop is "our" powertop :) , http://pastebin.com/AibfmFyv |
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| 06:55.22 | FatPhil | freemangordon: I'm applying all the patches in turn and examining them one at a time. |
| 06:56.11 | FatPhil | They seem to be specific to kernel-power, not been seen anywhere else according to google. |
| 06:56.33 | freemangordon | some of them are backported |
| 06:56.40 | freemangordon | not sure if it is clear though |
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| 15:29.04 | ShadowJK | ext4 stuff is largely backports from a kernel with less buggy ext4 |
| 15:31.26 | freemangordon | merlin1991: when you'll have time for a new update? |
| 15:31.38 | merlin1991 | starting monday next week |
| 15:31.43 | freemangordon | good |
| 15:31.55 | ShadowJK | Some of the battery stuff would've been created first for 2.6.28-maemo, with special userspace considerations, and later attempts at forward-porting and mainlining were done |
| 15:32.26 | freemangordon | merlin1991: saw https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/maemo-security-certman/commit/2cbd96e89d7529e1ce25801824fb76f39b05b836 ? |
| 15:32.53 | merlin1991 | nope, but that sounds interesting |
| 15:33.09 | freemangordon | somehow, somebody screwed it |
| 15:33.30 | merlin1991 | and that really brings back supl.nokia.com ? |
| 15:33.37 | freemangordon | merlin1991: yep |
| 15:33.46 | merlin1991 | nice |
| 15:34.09 | freemangordon | merlin1991: do you see that there is no change in signatures file? |
| 15:35.24 | freemangordon | it is the same shit in PR1.3.1 afaik |
| 15:37.36 | freemangordon | merlin1991: BTW, feel free to test it :P |
| 15:37.45 | freemangordon | it is in cssu-devel ;) |
| 15:37.59 | merlin1991 | heh, no idea how to test supl.nokia.com if it really works |
| 15:38.08 | freemangordon | using syslog |
| 15:39.18 | freemangordon | merlin1991: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1370258&postcount=119 |
| 15:39.34 | freemangordon | "Aug 29 00:41:53 Nokia-N900 location-proxy[22480]: GLIB DEBUG default - Socket to supl.nokia.com opened, fd=10, verify_res=0" |
| 15:39.52 | freemangordon | this is when it works, if not verify_res == 19 |
| 15:40.55 | freemangordon | you need to killall location-proxy(or reboot) after maemosec-common-ca is upgraded |
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| 16:09.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: can we remove the fremantle-1.2 and fremantle-1.3 "repos" in extras-devel? |
| 16:09.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | this stuff kills me |
| 16:10.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | and maemo.org |
| 16:10.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
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| 17:28.57 | FatPhil | freemangordon - found a very nasty bug in one of the kernel-power patches (alas my laptop went flat on the boat, so I can't tell you which one until I get some juice into the battery) |
| 17:36.08 | FatPhil | fortunately there's a trivial replacement that does the intended job |
| 17:42.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | FatPhil: that is not exactly a surprise to me. Most of our patches in KP lack proper peer review |
| 17:45.29 | FatPhil | joiku need a fucking slapping |
| 17:46.46 | FatPhil | In Harmattan we rejected their module about 7 times, until big big big bad boos came down to our wing and just said "you are integrating that, as is". |
| 17:47.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 17:48.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, maybe you know to tell a few stories about kernel support for USB OTG in harmattan? |
| 17:50.00 | FatPhil | We planned it, but scrapped it quite eaerly, not sure why |
| 17:50.18 | FatPhil | musb is a buggy pile of shite from h/w perspective |
| 17:50.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suspect somebody from platsec came over and told you "this can't get integrated into harmattan, it has security issues" |
| 17:51.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't tell me about musb-hdrc. I know that pile of sh* |
| 17:51.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | had my fair share of messing around with it, for h-e-n/hostmode |
| 17:52.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ate an estimated 12 person-months of work to get stuff analyzed and sorted |
| 17:53.25 | FatPhil | Security team was the biggest offender when it came to the BIIIIIG bad boss coming down to us and staying *YOU WILL INTEGRATE THIS* |
| 17:54.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | it would be quite unfortunate if you based your decision to scrap it on a cursory look at h-e-n kernel patches done to fix/work-around N900 hw fsckup |
| 17:54.45 | FatPhil | Kernel boot time quota was 2s, when we started the project it was 4s. My final significant contribution to the kernel was the thing that got the measured boot time down to 0.95s. Then security team comes along and bloats it to 7 fucking seconds! |
| 17:55.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol, why I'm not surprised to hear that? |
| 17:55.52 | FatPhil | The strange thing is that our USB team was pretty strong. Felipe Balbi was immediately employed by TI after the burning platforms, as he is MUSB god. |
| 17:56.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I should've contacted him about hostmode in N900 as well as N9 then |
| 17:56.58 | FatPhil | there's a linux-usb mailing list, of course |
| 17:57.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'd get flamed to death there, coming up with what we did to musb-core on N900 ;-P |
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| 17:59.48 | FatPhil | Not necessarily. If you come in all guns blazing, you're in trouble, of course. |
| 18:00.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, meeting time at #maemo-meeting |
| 18:09.17 | kerio | FatPhil: why didn't you integrate the joiku module in a way that it caused constant problems? |
| 18:12.52 | FatPhil | not sure if I can parse that question |
| 18:13.07 | FatPhil | we were maintainers at that time, it wasn't our job to rewrite other team's patches |
| 18:13.19 | FatPhil | it was our job to reject them repeatedly ;-p |
| 18:15.13 | Sicelo | what was the 'big boos' interest in joiku? why would he/they insist this way? |
| 18:17.40 | FatPhil | tethering was a feature they needed commercially. The userspace needed that kernel module. Joiku refused to clean it up. After many many many many weeks, connectivity team were getting a bit annoyed to say the least. Bubbled up to management, then to higher management, then to even higher management |
| 18:19.28 | Sicelo | hmm, sux |
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| 19:25.24 | ShadowJK | "mobile hotspot" does the same thing in a more linuxy way, but it's also not quite polished |
| 19:56.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yoghurt-sploit is a poorly guided approach to implement some tethering in symbian et al, that copycats some functionality genuinely being a part of any decent linux distro. Porting that botch to linux is as reasonable as porting cygwin to unix |
| 20:00.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, similar cruft been done e.g. for that cups-based amiga printer driver that got ported to linux and actually was pretty unclear what are the advantages over genuine cups |
| 20:01.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | except of course for the company selling it. The advantage been pretty clear for them |
| 20:16.01 | FatPhil | well said! |
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| 22:03.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: :-) |
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