| 01:35.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing that couldn't be done with simple textfiles |
| 01:36.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and pointers |
| 01:42.50 | Sc0rpius | or at least SQLite :) |
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| 11:10.07 | freemangordon | merlin1991: how do you think, what are the chances to distrubute DSP codecs from harmattan via CSSU? |
| 11:10.25 | freemangordon | merlin1991: who do you think we should ask? |
| 11:10.28 | freemangordon | TI? |
| 11:21.13 | freemangordon | merlin1991: https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=171 |
| 11:21.14 | povbot | Bug 171: browser removes trailing slash from urls |
| 11:21.52 | freemangordon | merlin1991: please send a mail to TI (whatever it means) asking them to allow us to redistribute harmattan codecs on n900 |
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| 12:37.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah, a true MCC request |
| 13:29.32 | Pali | merlin1991: when will be CSSU-T in repos? |
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| 15:56.15 | merlin1991 | Sc0rpius: quassel can run on sqlite, but the performance degrades after about 2 months |
| 15:56.58 | Sc0rpius | I guess. Sqlite files always grow and grow even if there is no data in them |
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| 17:30.12 | freemangordon | merlin1991: did you see the backscroll? |
| 17:38.05 | merlin1991 | yea, don't know who to contact, but I can bring it up in the next council meeting |
| 17:49.23 | freemangordon | merlin1991: yep, I think it is time to include this in CSSU. If you approve ofc :P |
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| 18:05.28 | kerio | freemangordon: all the n950 codecs? |
| 18:07.17 | Pali | also patched fmtxd is on gitorious with prepared debian packaging |
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| 19:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | patched fmtxd might turn user's device into something illegal. Not every user might appreciate this |
| 19:55.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | only a theoretical consideration, but still |
| 19:55.59 | kerio | making it configurable could be neat |
| 19:56.09 | kerio | but it's not easily doable |
| 19:56.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's as easy as all other optional alternative packages |
| 19:56.37 | kerio | no, i meant the binary |
| 19:57.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooops, it's not optional, just plain alternative |
| 19:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | change the package names to fmtxd-cssu and fmtxd-original, make both of them "provide fmtxd", make mp-community-pr depend on fmtxd property instead of fmtxd package |
| 20:00.00 | kerio | HAM will take one at random |
| 20:00.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | my uneducated idea of how to handle it |
| 20:00.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why we specified that this needs a patched HAM, long ago |
| 20:01.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas, this seems the inverse chicken-egg problem: nobody touches HAM and nobody ever provided a single POC alternative package |
| 20:02.11 | kerio | apt-get |
| 20:02.13 | kerio | >:D |
| 20:02.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and every time I mention it, somebody comes up with "but why don't we simply.... <insert ruled out non-alternatives here, like additional repos and younameit>" |
| 20:03.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, we mentioned that apt-get *can* already handle it, when we publicly discussed it here in this very channel, a year ago |
| 20:04.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I think we also accepted worldclock as a first nice candidate for a POC implementation of a alternative package |
| 20:05.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas original author claimed he's unable to do the packaging, and left it to CSSU maintainers to do that |
| 20:06.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | then estel kicked in and bickered and bitched about that decission until literally everybody got upset or annoyed to no end |
| 20:06.49 | kerio | where's estel, btw? |
| 20:06.59 | kerio | still banned? |
| 20:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | you honestly wanna hear where I hope he is? |
| 20:07.34 | kerio | do i? |
| 20:07.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 20:08.17 | Pali | I think we already had discussion about fmtxd and decision was to create git repo on gitorious and include it to cssu |
| 20:08.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | my concern still stands |
| 20:09.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | as a user (e.g. in france, or china) I wouldn't appreciate customs at airport demonstarting to me that I own a illegal device |
| 20:10.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | some authorities can be rather humorless regarding such regulations |
| 20:10.22 | merlin1991 | nope banlist is empty |
| 20:10.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: NOT EMPTY, BUT STILL |
| 20:10.43 | merlin1991 | yeah |
| 20:10.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops capslock, |
| 20:10.46 | merlin1991 | 1 non-entry |
| 20:10.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
| 20:10.50 | kerio | WHY ARE WE SHOUTING ALL OF A SUDDEN |
| 20:10.52 | kerio | DID SOMETHING HAPPEN |
| 20:10.53 | merlin1991 | basically empty |
| 20:11.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: YES, STH HAPPENED |
| 20:11.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I HIT CAPSLOCK, with tab |
| 20:11.46 | kerio | WHY IS YOUR CAPSLOCK KEY STILL ENABLED? |
| 20:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | good question |
| 20:12.08 | kerio | mine is another LCTRL |
| 20:12.18 | kerio | damn useful for emacs |
| 20:12.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably because this kbd is better than the laptop kbd I had before, so I successfully ignored the problem here |
| 20:17.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | (regulations) we could continue speculations on why Nokia decided to ship no radio app with stock maemo. For a start it's good to know about taxes several countries ask for importing anything that has FM radio functionality. Several other states require each owner of a radio to pay taxes per month as well, and you may even get sued when they find you own a radio but don't pay the tax. |
| 20:19.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, would you think every user would appreciate when CSSU would suddenly ship with mandatory FM radio app in mp-community-pr? |
| 20:19.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...just hypothetical, to make a point... |
| 20:19.52 | kerio | wait, fm radio? |
| 20:20.02 | kerio | we're talking about the modified fmtxd, aren't we |
| 20:20.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and please nobody starts the "you're free to not use CSSU" argument! |
| 20:20.33 | Raimu | I put mute button on my capslock |
| 20:20.46 | Raimu | "If you feel the need to use capslock you probably need the volume turned down" |
| 20:20.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: yes, that's why I explained that I was just giving another example |
| 20:22.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's sufficiently related to fmtxd, but obvious enough that it's another dedicated case with similar side effects |
| 20:23.36 | kerio | anyway, i thought that the fmrx enabler was shipped in every geographical repo |
| 20:24.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | "maximum compatibility" not only means technical/API compatibility, it also includes legal/statutory compatibility |
| 20:24.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: yes, but no *app* to use it |
| 20:25.26 | kerio | so? |
| 20:25.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | IANAL, but I suppose Nokia lawyers carefully checked what Nokia may and what it may not ship |
| 20:26.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | so? see above |
| 20:26.19 | kerio | "we could also ship a radio app, but we'd have to write it, and it would cost $amount $currency" "fuck that shit" |
| 20:26.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | tl;dr or what? |
| 20:26.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | bullshit! |
| 20:27.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's not how companies specify their product requirements |
| 20:27.33 | kerio | how's shipping the fmtx enabler different from shipping fmtx enabler and a crappy radio app? |
| 20:27.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | wut? |
| 20:27.51 | kerio | *fmrx enabler |
| 20:27.55 | kerio | :s |
| 20:28.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | IANAL |
| 20:28.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | go to your lawyer and ask him, pay yourself for the answer you're asking for |
| 20:28.40 | kerio | we could ask rob bauer! |
| 20:28.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | omg, no! he's patent lawyer |
| 20:29.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | he has no clue about import regulations |
| 20:31.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | but my 2 cents are: Nokia never advertised any FMrx for N900, and it never shipped any N900 that could do FM radio ootb. So when it talks like a duck and walks like a duck... |
| 20:32.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise you'd have to deal with every electroncis educational building kit as if it were a FM radio |
| 20:32.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | since with sufficient work it can get turned into a FM radio |
| 20:33.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and quite obviously the TX regulations are quite different to the more monetary RX regulations |
| 20:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | TX is about security, first and foremost |
| 20:33.58 | kerio | heh, the law in italy regarding what has to pay the tv tax states "any device capable of receiving radio/tv signals" |
| 20:34.39 | kerio | a coat hanger fits that description, doesn't it |
| 20:34.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, does that include your video projector? your oscilloscope? |
| 20:35.00 | kerio | no, it was actually broader than that |
| 20:35.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, in italy probably it does |
| 20:35.08 | kerio | any device that could be adapted to receive radio/tv signals |
| 20:35.17 | kerio | (computer with a tuner, for instance) |
| 20:35.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | in italy a screwdriver is a lethal weapon |
| 20:36.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably a branch from a tree, broken off and flushed, is a lethat weapon |
| 20:36.31 | kerio | at some point, it becomes a wooden knife, surely |
| 20:36.40 | kerio | or maybe a wooden stiletto |
| 20:36.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, just depends on local police chief |
| 20:37.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and if local police station's statistics of last 6 months were better or worse than those of neighbour village |
| 20:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's italy |
| 20:38.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | almost like USA |
| 20:38.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | where each sheriff *is* the law, in his district |
| 20:39.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, please don't gamble with legal properties of N900, in CSSU |
| 20:40.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly, don't force illegal stuff onto users please! |
| 20:40.49 | kerio | btw, web browsers are illegal in kerioland |
| 20:40.54 | kerio | remove microb at once |
| 20:41.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | BS |
| 20:41.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | removing microb makes N900 illegal in DocScrutinizer-land |
| 20:41.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it always been a legal device so far, with a proper browser |
| 20:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, don't gamble with legal properies of N900 please! |
| 20:43.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you just nailed microB to cssu fremantle forever, by your push |
| 20:43.35 | kerio | D: |
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| 20:46.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw MCC officially supporting and promoting CSSU and not forbidding illegal fmtxd could be one of the very rage cases where users could actually *sue* MCC for something MCC did or did not |
| 20:47.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/rage/rare/ |
| 20:47.24 | kerio | is MCC even a legal entity one can sue? |
| 20:47.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, you can sue the members of MCC |
| 20:47.44 | kerio | oic |
| 20:50.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and while for sure no user could sue another user for providing a hacked illegal fmtxd, you probably can sue MCC members for "officially" supporting and even forcing it on innocent users' devices |
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| 20:54.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | guess whom the patent troll companies would sue when CSSU would ship the incriminated mp3-decoder libs or whatever |
| 20:55.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably first line HiFo and not very much after that MCC/HFC |
| 20:56.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | then the maintainers of CSSU and the sysops of maemo.org |
| 20:57.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and last not least the package maintainer |
| 21:12.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | @all: you noticed drathir's report about ipv6 pkg problems, over at #maemo? |
| 21:12.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | <Drathir> i find proppably some of issue with package libicd-network-ipv6-scripts conflict and refusing to install |
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