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10:32.46fw190DocScrutinizer05: hello! do you have a minut or two?
10:33.10DocScrutinizer05shoot
10:33.29fw190a while ago I had problems with spinning down my dis cin opensuse
10:33.35fw190and you suggested me to do
10:33.41fw190echo "/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda" >>/etc/init.d/boot.local
10:33.43fw190and then
10:34.01fw190grep -r hdparm /etc
10:34.08fw190it worked a few times
10:34.21fw190but today after fresh install of opensuse with lxde
10:34.28fw190it doesnt want to cooperate with me ;)
10:34.52fw190the grep gives: /etc/sysconfig/ide:# mode) or any mode supported by hdparm (e.g. "mdma2", "udma5", ...)
10:35.44fw190in boot.local i get: echo: command not found
10:35.58DocScrutinizer05huh?
10:36.45DocScrutinizer05your bash tells you "echo: command not found" ?
10:37.15DocScrutinizer05and what do you mean by "in boot.local "?
10:38.02DocScrutinizer05please paste result of
10:38.21DocScrutinizer05ls -l /etc/init.d/boot.local
10:38.45fw190-rwxr--r-- 1 root root 405 05-03 12:29 /etc/init.d/boot.local
10:39.10DocScrutinizer05echo "/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda" >>/etc/init.d/boot.local
10:39.28fw190well in boot.local ther suposed to be this: "/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda"
10:39.45DocScrutinizer05yes
10:40.16fw190after your command there is: echo: command not found /sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda
10:40.24fw190in two lines
10:40.29DocScrutinizer05tail -n 3 /etc/init.d/boot.local
10:40.31fw190and the disc keeps spinning
10:40.51fw190echo: command not found /sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda
10:41.29DocScrutinizer05sorry, where or what is that?
10:41.46fw190that is the output of
10:41.51fw190tail -n 3 /etc/init.d/boot.local
10:42.38DocScrutinizer05o.O
10:42.57DocScrutinizer05echo "/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda"
10:43.23DocScrutinizer05please paste your input line and the result line
10:43.38fw190output: /sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda
10:43.46DocScrutinizer05no way
10:43.58DocScrutinizer05there's no "output:" on your screen
10:44.25fw190well Iahve pasted the command
10:44.28fw190then enter
10:44.31DocScrutinizer05jr@saturn:~> echo "/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda"
10:44.32DocScrutinizer05/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda
10:44.34DocScrutinizer05jr@saturn:~>
10:45.48DocScrutinizer05this is how your paste should look like
10:45.52DocScrutinizer05here
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10:46.05fw190If 'echo' is not a typo you can use command-not-found to lookup the package that contains it, like this:     cnf echo
10:46.49fw190that is what pops out after: echo "/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda"
10:47.17DocScrutinizer05can't you just c&P?
10:47.32DocScrutinizer05incl prompt and everything
10:47.37fw190linux-gsm8:/home/fw190 # echo "/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda" If 'echo' is not a typo you can use command-not-found to lookup the package that contains it, like this:     cnf echo
10:48.48DocScrutinizer05I wonder what shell you're using
10:49.03DocScrutinizer05or if you're in an xterm at all
10:49.33fw190LXTerminal
10:49.38DocScrutinizer05lol
10:50.19DocScrutinizer05sorry, nfc what you're doing there
10:50.34DocScrutinizer05echo is a builtin of bash
10:50.37DocScrutinizer05iirc
10:50.57fw190I'm starting LXterinal and puting the commands ;)
10:51.05fw190and a shit storm comes out
10:51.21DocScrutinizer05don't use LXterminal
10:51.25DocScrutinizer05never heard of that
10:52.53DocScrutinizer05honestly, echo an unknown command. I can't help on that
10:53.16DocScrutinizer05try Konsole
10:53.25DocScrutinizer05or even xterm
10:53.46fw190yes
10:53.48DocScrutinizer05or type the shit on console1 (alt-ctrl-F1)
10:53.51fw190I'm in xterm now
10:53.55fw190and trying to
10:54.00fw190do it again
10:54.03DocScrutinizer05echo test
10:55.24DocScrutinizer05or, even better:
10:55.39DocScrutinizer05/usr/bin/echo $PATH
10:56.16DocScrutinizer05paste cmdline plus result here
10:56.55DocScrutinizer05you don't want to try and do it again, as you already messed up stuff
10:57.35DocScrutinizer05honestly, please do
10:57.37DocScrutinizer05/usr/bin/echo $PATH
10:58.07DocScrutinizer05and then please do:
10:58.11DocScrutinizer05echo test
10:58.31DocScrutinizer05paste those 4 lines here
10:58.48DocScrutinizer05the 2 input and 2 output lines
10:59.00fw190fw190@linux-gsm8:~> /usr/bin/echo $PATH /home/fw190/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games
10:59.11DocScrutinizer05not concatenated
10:59.14DocScrutinizer05but meh
10:59.29fw190fw190@linux-gsm8:~> echo test test
11:00.02DocScrutinizer05this doesn't come in as two lines here
11:00.23DocScrutinizer05if it looks like that on your screen then you got a problem
11:00.55fw190the output of echo test
11:00.58fw190is test
11:01.55DocScrutinizer05then please do:
11:02.01DocScrutinizer05echo "/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda" >/etc/init.d/boot.local
11:02.16DocScrutinizer05^^ this is different to previous one
11:02.53fw190I did it
11:03.24fw190nothing popped out
11:03.43DocScrutinizer05that's fine
11:03.58fw190"im doeing evrything as root if this is important
11:04.24DocScrutinizer05now do
11:04.27DocScrutinizer05cat /etc/init.d/boot.local
11:04.53fw190echo: command not found
11:05.05DocScrutinizer05headdesks
11:05.57fw190when I open boot.local
11:06.13fw190there is only:
11:06.33fw190echo: command not found
11:06.55fw190does this matter that home is encrypted?
11:07.05DocScrutinizer05fetch last echo line with cursor-up
11:07.47DocScrutinizer05remove ">/etc/init.d/boot.local" with backspace
11:07.52DocScrutinizer05shoot
11:08.49DocScrutinizer05what's the result?
11:08.54fw190all was left is cat
11:08.58fw190after enter
11:09.01fw190nothing came up
11:09.07DocScrutinizer05wut?
11:09.51fw190I do not understand this: fetch last echo line with cursor-up
11:10.19DocScrutinizer05press cursor-up key until last line starting with "echo" shows up
11:10.28DocScrutinizer05headdesks a bit more
11:11.02fw190linux-gsm8:/home/fw190 # echo "/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda" If 'echo' is not a typo you can use command-not-found to lookup the package that contains it, like this:     cnf echo
11:11.10DocScrutinizer05and probably now nothing works at all and you don't even have a prompt anymore, right?
11:11.41DocScrutinizer05your fucking PATH is not set correctly
11:12.16DocScrutinizer05and I have no damn clue what you did to get
11:12.18DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-03 13:00:55] <fw190> the output of echo test
11:12.20DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-03 13:00:58] <fw190> is test
11:12.38fw190?
11:12.53DocScrutinizer05while the output of echo "someothershit" is echo: cmd not found
11:13.29fw190that is the point
11:13.36fw190clean open suse with lxde
11:13.54fw190the first point of setting it up
11:13.58DocScrutinizer05if you can't copy&paste two complete consecutive lines here, without any added comments or removed linebreaks, i can't help any furhter
11:14.00fw190was stoping the disc spining down
11:14.08fw190as I did 3 times in last year
11:14.12fw190and all worked
11:15.46DocScrutinizer05please type(!):
11:15.55DocScrutinizer05/bin/bash
11:15.57fw190http://tinypic.com/r/5kowsz/5
11:16.40DocScrutinizer05doesn't help me
11:17.38DocScrutinizer05try to damn highlight the two lines with mouse, and paste them here, or on http://privatepaste.com
11:17.55DocScrutinizer05but honestly, this been way more than 2 minutes now
11:18.35DocScrutinizer05feels more like 2 hours
11:18.37fw190linux-gsm8:/home/fw190 # /bin/bash
11:18.50fw190linux-gsm8:/home/fw190 #
11:19.00fw190the command and the output
11:19.06DocScrutinizer05fine
11:19.14DocScrutinizer05now type:
11:19.28DocScrutinizer05/usr/bin/echo $PATH
11:19.38DocScrutinizer05and paste the both lines here
11:19.56fw190linux-gsm8:/home/fw190 # /usr/bin/echo $PATH
11:21.24fw190the output
11:21.32fw190doesnt want to paste here so I put it ther
11:21.38fw190http://privatepaste.com/e4b07330ba
11:22.14DocScrutinizer05here you need to add a second / at start of line
11:22.20DocScrutinizer05or a space
11:22.59DocScrutinizer05type:
11:23.36DocScrutinizer05/usr/bin/which echo
11:24.04fw190linux-gsm8:/home/fw190 # /usr/bin/which echo
11:24.37DocScrutinizer05/
11:24.53DocScrutinizer05//
11:24.56DocScrutinizer05actually
11:25.08fw190http://privatepaste.com/9edc83c66e
11:25.13DocScrutinizer05:-S
11:25.15DocScrutinizer05ok
11:25.27fw190I'm on web irc and adding a space or ?? doesn't allow me to paste it
11:25.43DocScrutinizer05weird
11:26.03DocScrutinizer05add a fuckwebirc at beginning of line
11:26.26DocScrutinizer05please type:
11:26.35DocScrutinizer05echo test
11:26.46DocScrutinizer05and paste the both lines here
11:26.51fw190<PROTECTED>
11:27.12fw190linux-gsm8:/home/fw190 # echo test
11:27.23fw190test
11:27.30DocScrutinizer05please type:
11:27.44DocScrutinizer05echo "/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda"
11:27.47DocScrutinizer05and paste the both lines here
11:28.10fw190linux-gsm8:/home/fw190 # echo "/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda"
11:28.26fw190If 'echo' is not a typo you can use command-not-found to lookup the package that contains it, like this:     cnf echo
11:28.38DocScrutinizer05OMG
11:29.16fw190I agree - maybe I will try to install it again or use another distro like lubuntu
11:29.31DocScrutinizer05you're aware that in "echo test" and "echo "/sbin/hdparm -B 2...." it's both times same command called "echo"?
11:29.50DocScrutinizer05please type:
11:29.56DocScrutinizer05echo "test"
11:30.01DocScrutinizer05and paste the both lines here
11:30.42fw190linux-gsm8:/home/fw190 # echo "test"
11:30.52fw190test
11:31.05DocScrutinizer05now I think i'm dreaming
11:31.17fw190I can paste you the terminal ;)
11:31.25DocScrutinizer05please type:
11:31.33DocScrutinizer05echo "/test"
11:31.37DocScrutinizer05and paste the both lines here
11:32.03fw190linux-gsm8:/home/fw190 # echo "/test"
11:32.23DocScrutinizer05fsckwebirc
11:32.35fw190fckwebirc /test
11:33.05DocScrutinizer05echo "/sbin/hdparm"
11:34.00fw190linux-gsm8:/home/fw190 # echo "/sbin/hdparm"
11:34.18fw190fuck /sbin/hdparm
11:34.23fw190;)
11:34.25DocScrutinizer05:-S
11:34.51DocScrutinizer05echo "/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev"
11:35.26fw190linux-gsm8:/home/fw190 # echo "/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev"
11:35.40fw190.... /sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev
11:35.55DocScrutinizer05echo "/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda"
11:36.18fw190linux-gsm8:/home/fw190 # echo "/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda"
11:36.28fw190... /sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda
11:36.47DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-03 13:28:10] <fw190> linux-gsm8:/home/fw190 # echo "/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda"
11:36.48DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-03 13:28:26] <fw190> If 'echo' is not a typo you can use command-not-found to lookup the package that contains it, like this:     cnf echo
11:36.50DocScrutinizer05[
11:37.30fw190so now it worked?
11:37.35fw190I do not understand
11:38.04DocScrutinizer05you're sure you haven't inserted unprintable chars into your commandline?
11:38.26DocScrutinizer05like ctrl-v or whatever
11:39.16fw190at which point?
11:39.37DocScrutinizer05anyway, maybe you should retry:
11:39.52DocScrutinizer05echo "/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda" >/etc/init.d/boot.local
11:40.04DocScrutinizer05at NO point!#
11:40.44DocScrutinizer05c&p from wbeirc most likely is a poor idea
11:40.56fw190before I mess again
11:41.07fw190what does this mean: at NO point!#
11:41.11DocScrutinizer05there might be such hidden chars
11:41.38DocScrutinizer05this means you must not press ctrl-v or any other keys
11:41.46DocScrutinizer05just type what you read here
11:41.50fw190Ok I have copied
11:41.58fw190it to a notepad
11:42.04fw190and will put it form there
11:42.13fw190ah
11:42.14fw190ok
11:42.16fw190I will type it
11:42.56DocScrutinizer05how hard can it be to press cursor-up to get last line, then add >/etc/init.d/boot.local
11:44.08DocScrutinizer05either that works now, or not. anyway I'm afk. sorry
11:45.07fw190linux-gsm8:/home/fw190 # echo "/sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda" >/etc/init.d/boot.local
11:45.19fw190linux-gsm8:/home/fw190 #
11:45.35DocScrutinizer05cat /etc/init.d/boot.local
11:46.15fw190linux-gsm8:/home/fw190 # cat /etc/init.d/boot.local
11:46.26fw190... /sbin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda
11:46.38DocScrutinizer05congrats
11:46.48fw190reboot and test?
11:48.22fw190thank you for your time
11:48.26fw190I will reboot
11:48.35fw190and try to figure out why it worked now
11:55.56DocScrutinizer05GOD, 90 minutes
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12:01.32fw190da fuck less /etc/init.d/boot.local
12:01.39fw190shows: /sbin/<U+FEFF>hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda
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12:02.05fw190I have not put that U+FEFFF
12:08.29DocScrutinizer05http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/feff/index.htm
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12:10.16fw190DocScrutinizer05: sory for the 90minutes but as I see no hope I have to go back to buntuk ro debian or something els which will stop this idiotic disc from spinning down
12:13.57DocScrutinizer05>>But every 4-6 months another huge thread on the Unicode List gets started about how bad the BOM is for UTF-8 and how it breaks UNIX tools that have been around and able to support UTF-8 without change for decades2 and about how Microsoft is evil for shipping Notepad that causes all of these problems and how neither the W3C nor Unicode would have ever supported a UTF-8 BOM if Microsoft did not have Notepad doing it, and so on, and
12:13.59DocScrutinizer05so on.<<
12:18.42DocScrutinizer05>>Believe it or not, unicodeFFFE is actually documented as Internet Explorer's Preferred Charset Label for Unicode (Big-Endian). Periodically people report the name as a bug, since there is no such code point in Unicode as U+fffe. But the reason for the name is that if you look at a BOM of UTF-16 big endian on a system that is little endian, it will look like FFFE. Since that is not a valid character, it is easy to tell on a Little
12:18.44DocScrutinizer05Endian system that the file must be Big Endian Unicode. The name is just acting as a sensible (if somewhat platformily provincial) labelling of what one sees on almost 100% of all Windows platforms.<<
12:20.59DocScrutinizer05i'd bet fw190 did NOT *type* the commands, rather probably c&p'ed it from some M$-related shit, if only the webirc page
12:21.34DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-03 13:41:50] <fw190> Ok I have copied
12:21.36DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-03 13:41:58] <fw190> it to a notepad
12:21.37DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-03 13:42:03] <fw190> and will put it form there
12:22.14DocScrutinizer05headdesks a little more, then heads out
12:22.50DocScrutinizer05ssh via PuTTY or what?
12:23.14DocScrutinizer05or a virtualbox under win7?
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13:56.01Palimerlin1991: cssu-t :-)
14:14.19freemangordonPali: he told Friday, I suspect that means Friday evening :)
14:14.37Paliok :-) evening
14:14.38freemangordonmerlin1991: no bars and girls for you today :P
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14:44.17merlin1991freemangordon: I wish
14:44.26merlin1991bars are in the realm of possible
14:44.52freemangordonmerlin1991: hmm? why the bars are impossible for you?
14:45.02merlin1991freemangordon: other way around :D
14:45.25freemangordonhmm?
14:45.31freemangordonWTF?
14:45.39merlin1991bars are possible, girls are rather hard :)
14:45.54freemangordonooh, rabbit never come easy :P
14:49.57merlin1991now back to c# :/
15:41.10Palimerlin1991: can you delete expiration date on cssu GPG key?
15:42.20Paliif you can do it before next cssu-t, I can update cssu enabler package (where is stored public part of key)
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15:45.53Palimerlin1991: do not push last version of modest to cssu-t, but version 3.90.7-11.3
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