| 00:00.17 | gregoa | no idea, I only looked into 2445 at that time :) |
| 00:00.26 | merlin1991 | ah well 5545 is "kinda" new, october 2009 |
| 00:00.33 | merlin1991 | 5545 obsoletes 2445 |
| 00:00.53 | gregoa | but the fact is that Calendar fails to import half of all the existing (and valid, TTBOMK) ics files |
| 00:01.40 | merlin1991 | well maybe we can get tempura to work on the importer aswell ;) |
| 00:01.53 | merlin1991 | I guess the importer is also in the backend code |
| 00:02.06 | gregoa | that was my hope :) |
| 00:04.15 | gregoa | seems like 5545 is the same or similar with regard to this problem (DTEND/DURATION) |
| 00:05.27 | merlin1991 | though it kinda feels dirty to hack on the calendar backend when we can't fix the gui :/ |
| 00:05.35 | merlin1991 | fsckd closed packges |
| 00:06.05 | gregoa | is not mentiong the embarrassing fact that you can't even subscribe to same online ical/ics file in this Calendar crap |
| 00:06.47 | merlin1991 | is not sure he undedrstand "same" correctly |
| 00:06.52 | merlin1991 | same as to which ? |
| 00:06.57 | gregoa | merlin1991: ack, this close Calendar is a shame. I guess it's closed source because it was written by some intern 5 minutes before the release, and nokia was ashamed to publish it |
| 00:07.15 | gregoa | merlin1991: same as the "old" 2445 |
| 00:08.27 | merlin1991 | hm now I'm completely lost, maybe rephrase the complaint? |
| 00:09.00 | gregoa | which one? :) |
| 00:09.13 | merlin1991 | -*- gregoa is not mentiong the embarrassing fact that you can't even subscribe to same online ical/ics file in this Calendar crap |
| 00:09.32 | merlin1991 | I'm completely at loss here :D |
| 00:09.51 | gregoa | ah. this one. that's a separate one from the importing FAIL. |
| 00:10.32 | gregoa | AFAIK (unless I've missed something), this Calendar doesn't have an option to subscribe to online calendars/ics/vcal files |
| 00:10.50 | gregoa | which exists in all calendar programs I've seen since many years |
| 00:11.20 | gregoa | (and "same" should have been "some". sorry.) |
| 00:11.21 | merlin1991 | ah so that should be /same/some/ |
| 00:11.25 | merlin1991 | now it makes sense :D |
| 00:11.27 | gregoa | right :) |
| 00:11.41 | merlin1991 | yeah true, that feature is really missing |
| 00:11.54 | merlin1991 | sadly something that will be hard to implement |
| 00:12.09 | merlin1991 | maybe we can get jonwil to re the ui, but I don't think so |
| 00:12.19 | gregoa | right, that's hard without the source :) |
| 00:12.50 | gregoa | in theory it should be possible to write or port a decent calendar program; but Someoneā¢ would have to do it |
| 00:13.32 | merlin1991 | yeah and it needs to be plugged on top of our calendar backend so that the exchange and whatnot syncs work with it, and it needs to be hildonized :/ |
| 00:13.55 | warfare | the problem is, that there _is_ no decent calendar program for unix. |
| 00:14.06 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 00:14.19 | gregoa | ack, using the same backends and databases is a must; I wouldn't care about hildon or gtk or qt or whatever |
| 00:14.21 | merlin1991 | been looking for a long time before I gave up |
| 00:14.37 | merlin1991 | well qt kinda overloads the n900 |
| 00:14.48 | merlin1991 | especially if you make something as complex as a calendar |
| 00:15.13 | merlin1991 | not to mention how bad the qt.quick aka qml support is on our beloved maemo5 |
| 00:15.18 | gregoa | well, even the old and ugly and whatnot gpe-calendar is better funtionality-wise than Nokia's Calendar |
| 00:15.55 | gregoa | the existing Calendar is also fucking slow, I can't imagine any Qt program to be even slower |
| 00:15.55 | merlin1991 | what do you use? |
| 00:16.05 | merlin1991 | (on your pc that is) |
| 00:16.36 | gregoa | on my pc? nothing. why would a I need a calendar on the pc if I have an n900? :) |
| 00:16.57 | merlin1991 | dunno, maybe you have it in sync with your workplace your fridge and whatnot |
| 00:17.01 | merlin1991 | everything is possible ;) |
| 00:17.12 | gregoa | (I guess I have the old and abandoned and obsolete "dates" programm still installed) |
| 00:17.17 | merlin1991 | but yeah, I'm using the calendar on the n9 and that's it |
| 00:17.59 | gregoa | in fact I have syneco also on my pc, so the calendar and contacts data are there; but I don't use a frontend to access them |
| 00:18.10 | gregoa | *syncevo |
| 00:19.17 | merlin1991 | heh, I don't have a mail client here yet, which one is it going to be? |
| 00:21.15 | gregoa | merlin1991: mutt, of course. is there any other useful MUA? |
| 00:21.25 | warfare | emacs vm. |
| 00:21.28 | merlin1991 | hm does mutt do imap idle? |
| 00:22.11 | gregoa | merlin1991: hm, no idea about IDLE; except that it's a pain for the IMAP server :) |
| 00:22.45 | merlin1991 | it's my server and it has "load average: 0.05, 0.05, 0.00", so it can do something for me :D |
| 00:22.54 | gregoa | (in terms of open connections) |
| 00:23.39 | gregoa | ok, just make sure (depending on wich IMAP daemon you use) that it handles enough connections |
| 00:24.24 | merlin1991 | it's just 1 account on the server |
| 00:26.32 | gregoa | I don't remember the details but I had to set the concurrent connections number from 40 to something higher on a server with ~15 accounts because the limit was reached. maybe to many gadgets/person or whatever ... |
| 00:27.06 | gregoa | and I fail to see the reason for keeping a TCP connection open "just because" |
| 00:27.31 | gregoa | (as if checking/syncing every x minutes wouldn't be enough) |
| 00:27.44 | chem|st | .muttrc => imap_passive |
| 00:29.08 | chem|st | gregoa: ^^ default is yes |
| 00:29.42 | merlin1991 | hm muttrc config is weird to me |
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| 00:30.12 | gregoa | chem|st: right, just checked in the mutt manual :) (and I'm not using IMAP in mutt, and I've switched offlineimap against sync-mail-dir in general) |
| 00:30.42 | gregoa | chem|st: the server problems didn't come from mutt users :) |
| 00:30.55 | chem|st | ah |
| 00:31.47 | chem|st | I use imap |
| 00:32.05 | chem|st | devices with android are a pain on the serverside |
| 00:32.17 | gregoa | what are they doing? |
| 00:32.28 | chem|st | 40open connections with 5 IPs from a single account |
| 00:32.48 | chem|st | the guy was walking roaming the campus |
| 00:32.51 | gregoa | oh, nice :) yes, might have been (part of) what I've seen |
| 00:33.32 | chem|st | I can tell where he was as I may triangulate the accesspoints he used |
| 00:34.11 | chem|st | at least the leaving and entering points of his track |
| 00:34.33 | gregoa | so much for total surveillance :) |
| 00:35.06 | chem|st | wait for IPv6... they are thinking about giving people a namespace at birth |
| 00:35.47 | gregoa | wahat do you mean by "wait"? ipv6 exists since ~10 years :) |
| 00:35.54 | gregoa | -a |
| 00:36.05 | chem|st | wait for consumer distribution |
| 00:36.21 | gregoa | yeah, sure |
| 00:36.34 | merlin1991 | hm can't get mutt to use the imap mailbox |
| 00:36.44 | merlin1991 | or I'm just retarded |
| 00:36.46 | chem|st | pastbin your config |
| 00:38.12 | merlin1991 | argh |
| 00:38.15 | merlin1991 | had to use c |
| 00:39.17 | chem|st | well you need some like "set spoolfile = {mail.yourdomain.org/ssl}inbox" and "set imap_user = your user" |
| 00:39.31 | chem|st | maybe a folder... |
| 00:40.11 | chem|st | set folder imaps://mail.yourdomain.org/INBOX |
| 00:40.29 | merlin1991 | yeah I used set folder |
| 00:40.39 | merlin1991 | but it doesn't "autoopen" it |
| 00:41.03 | merlin1991 | when I fire up mutt it just says "no mailbox" |
| 00:42.16 | gregoa | and what is "mailbox ..." set to? |
| 00:43.22 | merlin1991 | nothing because I have nfc about mutt config files and just reading the manpage :D |
| 00:43.33 | chem|st | that is fine |
| 00:43.55 | chem|st | I had that when setting mailboxes = imaps://mail.yourdomain.org/INBOX |
| 00:44.31 | chem|st | merlin1991: there is a config generator online somewhere |
| 00:45.11 | merlin1991 | found it |
| 00:45.54 | chem|st | imprtant is that spoolfile is set before user and user before folder |
| 00:45.59 | chem|st | afair |
| 00:46.56 | gregoa | yeah, mutt is a typical unix program: you can do all kinds of funky things with it, you you also need quite some time to get it running |
| 00:47.11 | gregoa | s/you/but/ |
| 00:47.59 | chem|st | gregoa: I have like a foldertree for my configs to not have everything in one file... to find what I need without grepping |
| 00:48.52 | chem|st | merlin1991: if you need help with it I may paste you mine and help you clean it to your needs |
| 00:49.10 | merlin1991 | chem|st: that would be usefull, if you're using imap aswell :D |
| 00:50.03 | gregoa | chem|st: yeah, I also also have a .mutt/ dir with quite some files, shared across all linux machines I use :) |
| 00:50.48 | Skry | first I see merlin1991 switch to awesome, and now he is configuring mutt.. welcome to the dark side :) |
| 00:51.05 | merlin1991 | hehe |
| 00:51.20 | merlin1991 | Skry: well till today I ran xfce with a bazillion shell windows |
| 00:51.32 | gregoa | merlin1991 is using awesome? cool! welcome to the bright side :) |
| 00:51.33 | merlin1991 | so I thought what the heck I'll use a tiling wm |
| 00:52.01 | merlin1991 | and I've been playing around with awesome about 2 years ago and liked it, so I went straight to awesome |
| 00:52.25 | gregoa | \o/ |
| 00:52.43 | merlin1991 | the default debian config for awesome sucks though :D |
| 00:52.48 | merlin1991 | had to adjust it quite a bit |
| 00:53.24 | merlin1991 | but I like the way awesome implements "tags" |
| 00:54.25 | gregoa | right, the "default" config (or: not-config) of many nice tools sucks. |
| 00:54.48 | merlin1991 | I need to get the nvidia driver running though |
| 00:55.00 | merlin1991 | noveau in debian-testing doesn't really like my geforce |
| 00:55.25 | merlin1991 | but my first attempt the debian way resulted in no x starting xD |
| 00:55.52 | merlin1991 | ah yeah I ditched kubuntu 2 days ago for debian ;) |
| 00:56.47 | gregoa | congratulates merlin1991 very heavily :) |
| 00:56.48 | chem|st | merlin1991: nouvea is BS last time I tested |
| 00:57.16 | chem|st | install the closed ones but the debian way |
| 00:57.26 | merlin1991 | that only worked on stable |
| 00:57.47 | merlin1991 | I boot into a black screen :D |
| 00:57.53 | gregoa | merlin1991: in general, unstable is also fine (with apt-listbugs installed). at the moment (because of the freeze) there are not many differences but in general using fixed packages is nicer |
| 00:58.50 | Skry | I have have age old 7600GT and nouveau is still not working good enough for everyday use :\ |
| 01:00.41 | Skry | but yeah, awesome is awesome, though I've now settled with spectrwm, awesome had so much features I dont need. |
| 01:18.00 | merlin1991 | heh mutt is trolling me: gnutls_handshake: An unexpected TLS packet was received. |
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| 11:35.04 | kerio | would the shipment of a nullified "cherry" package be considered an act of war against nokia? |
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| 14:26.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, some users *might* want to _keep_ myNokia (hard to believe, but...) |
| 14:27.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | we should neuter the compulsive registration though |
| 14:28.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | will only benefit 0.1%, since other 99.9% already sent that SMS when they install CSSU, but nevertheless |
| 14:28.45 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: so... do whatever notmynokia does, pretty much? |
| 14:29.06 | kerio | aiui having a blank .cherry_state will make cherry stfu, but will still let you access the mynokia entry in Settings |
| 14:29.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, exactly _not_, since notmynokia also removes the MyNokia button in sysmenu |
| 14:29.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | or settings or where it been |
| 14:29.30 | kerio | does it? |
| 14:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it does, yes |
| 14:30.49 | kerio | ugh :S |
| 14:30.56 | kerio | votes it down |
| 14:31.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 14:31.14 | kerio | it changes files belonging to other packages |
| 14:31.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
| 14:32.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's what it's supposed to do |
| 14:32.46 | kerio | no, you're supposed to divert them away |
| 14:32.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq |
| 14:33.11 | kerio | and even then, it's still not a good thing and should be done veeeeeeeeery carefully |
| 14:33.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd prefer to get dat shite nuked off my device and out of this universe |
| 14:33.30 | kerio | so get dat shite nuked off |
| 14:33.42 | kerio | Conflicts: cherry; Provides: cherry; Replaces: cherry |
| 14:33.48 | kerio | 0 files |
| 14:33.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 14:33.50 | kerio | 0 bugs |
| 14:34.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | only feasible in cssu |
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| 15:27.17 | Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer05: repos working fully yet? |
| 15:27.28 | Lava_Croft | as in, is it smart to try and update, or would you recommend waiting some more |
| 15:27.34 | Lava_Croft | dont want to stress anything needlessly |
| 15:27.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead, it will take ages but should work |
| 15:28.27 | Lava_Croft | heh, i forgot, are extras and extras-devel fremantle or fremantle-1.3 |
| 15:28.44 | Lava_Croft | nvm, i wiki'd |
| 15:34.32 | kerio | Lava_Croft: just use extras-devel-light |
| 15:34.34 | kerio | it's much better |
| 15:53.32 | tadzik | is it on r.m.o too? |
| 15:53.54 | kerio | no, it's on merlin1991's server |
| 15:54.06 | kerio | it's a mirror that only hosts the latest versions |
| 15:54.11 | kerio | and supports pdiffs |
| 15:54.23 | tadzik | cool |
| 15:54.31 | kerio | extras-devel.merlin1991.at |
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| 17:37.33 | Lava_Croft | wauw, updating indeed takes long :D |
| 17:37.49 | Lava_Croft | oh well, no hurry |
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