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12:37.48lufkerio: ping
13:14.46lufIs there a way to create bridge device on N900? I'm not successful in asking uncle Google.
14:18.57DocScrutinizer51with KP I think there is
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18:28.57freemangordonhehe, got maemo asking me to set date/time with 3.5.4, hildon-desktop almost works :D:D:D
18:30.46keriofucking awesome
18:31.04keriobut... why 3.5.4? :(
18:31.16freemangordonwhy not?
18:31.23keriobecause 3.5.6 is the current 3.5 stable
18:32.08freemangordonwell, does not matter once we have working PVR driver, moving from 3.5.4 to 3.5.6 should be simple
18:33.55keriodoes the thumb2 patch apply nicely?
18:34.00keriothe errata workaround
18:35.41keriofreemangordon: once you're done, you should ship it as kernel-cssu, just so DocScrutinizer05 finally dies to a stroke
18:37.02arceanmerlin1991: I've broken your server
18:37.15arceanat least it's not importing new h-d to the cssu-devel repo
18:37.38freemangordonapply nicely? thumb errata workaround is the last thing i care about in 3.5.4, it is missing /dev/twl4030-madc ;)
18:48.17merlin1991arcean: lemme see
18:49.52merlin1991arcean: imported now, you did upload the -dbg package after the changes file ;)
18:50.10arceanups :)
18:50.14arceanthank you
18:50.22kerioarcean: new h-d? neat
18:50.24keriochanges?
18:50.40arceankerio: http://gitorious.org/~arcean/community-ssu/arcean-hildon-desktop/commit/ad3577452a16e24e6ccb6888c444f9d4bc1136c7
18:51.23kerioarcean: hmm, that's a neat changelog
18:51.40kerioi kinda want to install it, but it's not thumby :c
18:53.06arceanheh, i don't have -thumb sdk environment :)
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18:59.55merlin1991arcean: how did you fix the caller lock problem?
19:01.42arceanorientationlock checks window's name and if it's "rtcom-call-ui" then the window is not locked to the landscape
19:01.56merlin1991hehe
19:01.59arcean+ small hack for the incoming call dialog
19:02.36merlin1991and how did you get double rotation with lock fixed?
19:03.12arceanthat's the old Qt's problem :P
19:04.04arceanbefore blacklist was working only for windows which do not have portrait supported or requested flags
19:04.17arceannow it's working for every window
19:04.36merlin1991:)
19:05.11merlin1991btw if you keep fixing the formating and coding style in h-d one day one could possibly read that code ;)
19:05.30arceanhehe
19:05.54merlin1991feels like a new -testing is around the corner
19:07.05merlin1991also currently watches the fsckd acer recovery util burn 4!! backup dvds
19:07.18merlin1991and then I'll wipe it with a debian testing install :D
19:07.22kerio¿lol qué?
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19:07.29keriowhy are you making recovery dvds?
19:07.31arceanouch, 4 dvds? :D
19:08.17merlin1991I also can't find my win7 dvd :/
19:19.01keriomerlin1991: new -testing, new -testing! ^_____^
19:25.04DocScrutinizer05oooh, finally working orientation-antilock-nukeit?
19:27.13DocScrutinizer05I still think it's a friggin BUG that a single time accidently hitting the friggin orientation-lock-gadget nuckes my foo-may-rotate false, and needs me to start a mini scriptie to get back proper non-annoying 'classic' desktop
19:36.32DocScrutinizer05win7 DVD? what a useless approach will get started by such a tool?
19:37.39kerioDocScrutinizer05: often, the installation of win7
19:37.44DocScrutinizer05I thought it can't get worse, when I had to manage my mail @ job on outlook under winXP.
19:38.07DocScrutinizer05Now I got mail via Lotus Domino web-frontend X-(
19:39.02merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: I need to keep a windows partition on the system for random university crap
19:39.51merlin1991but I'm definitely not keeping that bloated pre installed windows 7 home installation
19:40.01DocScrutinizer05halebop:~ # ls -l /windows/
19:40.02DocScrutinizer05total 8
19:40.04DocScrutinizer05drwxr-xr-x 1 root users 8192 Jun 13 23:51 C
19:40.23DocScrutinizer05luckily this been XP
19:40.50DocScrutinizer05and it was juszt easy enough to resize that partion during openSuse install
19:41.51DocScrutinizer05yuck
19:42.21DocScrutinizer05I pndered posting a few `mount` lines here - but it flooded my screen ;-P
19:42.44DocScrutinizer05halebop:~ # mount|wc -l
19:42.46DocScrutinizer0532
19:43.09kerioDocScrutinizer05: have you heard about fmg's 3.5 kernel? :D :D :D
19:43.10DocScrutinizer05friggin cgroups
19:43.24DocScrutinizer05kerio: I only heard you trolling
19:44.14keriofreemangordon got to the date picker dialog with linux 3.5.4
19:44.26DocScrutinizer05what's the news about a 3.x kernel running on N900? We did that like 2 years ago
19:44.35kerioDocScrutinizer05: with working graphics?
19:44.42DocScrutinizer05lol
19:45.14DocScrutinizer05we got "working graphics" without any kernel. NOLO has pretty nice graphics
19:45.17kerioi thought that the big problem was the PVR drivers
19:45.37kerioyeah, the blue in the nokia logo is really vibrant
19:45.49DocScrutinizer05the big problem is completely changed kernel API... well and the drivers
19:46.27keriowell, how many kernel modules are closed, in stock fremantle?
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19:47.32DocScrutinizer05kernel devels have the extremely annoying habit to do subtle changes to /sysfs etc on every new minor kernel rev
19:49.03fw190DocScrutinizer05: howdy
19:49.15DocScrutinizer05o
19:49.18DocScrutinizer05o/
19:49.28DocScrutinizer05\o
19:49.30DocScrutinizer05o
19:49.33DocScrutinizer05.
19:49.38fw190any hints for something like autoremove in Ubuntu for cleaning suse from lxde?
19:49.54fw190manual tinkering is no go
19:50.04fw190as a already messed up a few things ;)
19:50.10DocScrutinizer05o.O
19:50.20fw190luckiliy suse is idiot proof
19:50.27fw190and even I have managed to fix it
19:51.31DocScrutinizer05sorry, I dunno a better way that yast install
19:51.46DocScrutinizer05or zypper
19:52.29DocScrutinizer05wichever of both meets your personal taste best
19:52.56fw190I have tried yast
19:53.00fw190and there still
19:53.09fw190are programs with lxde in name
19:53.18fw190while uninstalling
19:53.29fw190something with lxde in name I removed network center ;)
19:55.12DocScrutinizer05-u, --clean-deps            Automatically remove unneeded dependencies.
19:55.21DocScrutinizer05zypper help remove
19:55.28fw190ok
19:55.37DocScrutinizer05never tested it, just a guess
19:55.47fw190hahah
19:56.00fw190I'm dumb/brave enough to test it
19:57.10DocScrutinizer05-D, --dry-run               Test the removal, do not actually remove.
19:59.41fw190BTW what does it mean wheb a apckage is in red in yast?
19:59.59fw190damn
20:00.06fw190wrote ed in google serach
20:00.12DocScrutinizer05err, something like "not installed from current set of active repos"
20:00.14fw190and that is why I had no results
20:00.27fw190just found it ;)
20:01.21DocScrutinizer05actually it might as well mean "installed version newer than newest available"
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20:01.54DocScrutinizer05but ptobably it simply means "not installed by me"
20:02.36fw190yeah
20:02.49fw190I'm cleaning the system becouse of my mistake
20:02.55fw190made the system disk to small
20:03.13DocScrutinizer05increase it
20:03.44DocScrutinizer05afaik yast partioner can resize quite a number of fs
20:03.53DocScrutinizer05not only friggin C:
20:04.58DocScrutinizer05kerio: no kernel module is closed
20:05.10DocScrutinizer05that would violate GPL
20:05.32DocScrutinizer05and that's actually the problem
20:05.45kerioisn't there something with "tainted" modules or something
20:05.46DocScrutinizer05all the nasty closed stuff is in userland
20:06.43DocScrutinizer05and that nasty closed userland stuff will expect kernel API of 2.6
20:07.27keriohrmpf :c
20:07.31DocScrutinizer05have fun making all that shite work on3.5 kernel
20:10.30DocScrutinizer05mer had a nice easy going, since they had no closed userland blobs they needed to make work (except bme, and you know Nokia built a special patched version for them)
20:10.54DocScrutinizer05so mer was free to use newer kernel, and they did from very beginning
20:11.14DocScrutinizer05but maemo....
20:11.19DocScrutinizer05:-S
20:12.04keriowhat's all this userland that expects 2.6 kernel api?
20:12.38DocScrutinizer05well, all but bare bones linux core
20:16.18DocScrutinizer05ask Pali where's that pake about closed source packages
20:16.24DocScrutinizer05page*
20:16.36DocScrutinizer05on wiki.maemo.org
20:16.49Palihttps://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages
20:17.08Pali~closed_packages is https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages
20:17.08infobotPali: okay
20:17.58DocScrutinizer05~#maemo closed_packages is https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages
20:17.58infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay
20:18.35DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, closed_packages is <reply>see #maemo closed_packages
20:18.35infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay
20:19.00DocScrutinizer05~closed_packages
20:19.00infobotrumour has it, closed_packages is https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages
20:19.24DocScrutinizer05o.O
20:19.32DocScrutinizer05~literal closed_packages
20:19.32infobot"#maemo closed_packages" is "https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages"
20:19.38DocScrutinizer05lol
20:19.58DocScrutinizer05~literal _default closed_packages
20:19.58infobot"closed_packages" is "<reply>see #maemo closed_packages"
20:21.38DocScrutinizer05~chanset #maemo-ssu
20:21.38infobotchan: #maemo-ssu (see _default also)
20:21.38infobot<PROTECTED>
20:21.56DocScrutinizer05lol
20:22.05DocScrutinizer05I'm so smart ;-P
20:22.57DocScrutinizer05~forget _default closed_packages
20:22.57infobotDocScrutinizer05: i didn't have anything called '_default closed_packages' to forget
20:23.04DocScrutinizer05~forget closed_packages
20:23.05infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot closed_packages
20:23.11DocScrutinizer05~literal closed_packages
20:23.12infobot"#maemo closed_packages" is "https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages"
20:23.19DocScrutinizer05~closed_packages
20:23.19infobot[closed_packages] https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages
20:24.40DocScrutinizer05Pali: if ever you wanna invoke those factoid e.g in #armattan, do like ~#maemo <factoid>
20:24.51DocScrutinizer05wait....
20:25.01DocScrutinizer05~chanset #harmattan
20:25.01infobotchan: #harmattan (see _default also)
20:25.01infobot<PROTECTED>
20:25.09DocScrutinizer05nah ;-P
20:25.22tadzik~#armattan
20:25.28DocScrutinizer05#maemo <factoids> work in #armattan as well :-D
20:25.31tadzikinfobot: liar!
20:25.31infobothey, I just work here; I don't have to take that kind of abuse from you
20:25.49tadzikoh, sorry for that
20:27.07kerio~botsnack
20:27.07infobotthanks, kerio
20:27.27DocScrutinizer05Pali: I don't think closed_packages is a term associated with maemo worldwide
20:28.01DocScrutinizer05that's why I narrowed it down to #maemo closed_packages
20:28.17Paliok
20:28.40DocScrutinizer05I.E. I made it a #maemo specific factoid
20:29.12DocScrutinizer05in e.g. #debian, nobody will know and neither get to know from infobot about closed_packages
20:29.36DocScrutinizer05in #maemo-ssu and #harmattan though the #maemo factoids work as well
20:30.04DocScrutinizer05(and eventually Tim Riker will kill me for that)
20:31.40DocScrutinizer05he's afraid his MySQL database will explode with too many search alternatives (as now the bot first looks for #maemo-ssu <factoid>, then for #maemo <factoid>, then for plain global aka _default <factoid>)
20:32.51DocScrutinizer05even worse for "ignore" since bot has to check ignore list for every text addressed to him
20:33.12DocScrutinizer05but hey
20:33.15DocScrutinizer05~status
20:33.15infobotSince Thu Oct  4 13:00:55 2012, there have been 13 modifications, 714 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 326 commands.  I have been awake for 7d 7h 32m 20s this session, and currently reference 118748 factoids.  I'm using about 35808 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2023.03/48.9 child 0/0
20:34.05DocScrutinizer05714 queries in 6 days won't kill a decent MySQL DB, even when each of them would cause 100s of SQL queries
20:35.06DocScrutinizer05I again suffer from IRC diarrhea :-/
20:35.25DocScrutinizer05sorry for spamming chan
20:39.00DocScrutinizer05~44123
20:39.06DocScrutinizer05~4412
20:39.34DocScrutinizer05~zip 44123
20:39.34infobotzip 44123 is, like, Euclid Cuyahoga OH
20:39.49DocScrutinizer05~listkeys zip
20:40.23DocScrutinizer05insane if you ask me
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20:41.58DocScrutinizer05it spoils cookies
20:42.08DocScrutinizer05~cookie
20:42.35DocScrutinizer05~cookie
20:42.49DocScrutinizer05~cookie
20:43.05DocScrutinizer05oh lol
20:43.25DocScrutinizer05typical for demonstration purposes
20:43.39DocScrutinizer05~listkey weathercode
20:43.50DocScrutinizer05~listkeys weathercode
20:44.45DocScrutinizer05~cookie
20:44.51DocScrutinizer05~cookie
20:44.57DocScrutinizer05yeah
20:45.35DocScrutinizer05statistically each 3rd cookie would be a zip
20:46.43DocScrutinizer05the funnier I got 2 consecutive weathercode cookies, sth that's likelihood 0.1 * 0.1
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22:15.53freemangordonyay, booted to h-d, but my uSD is sloooow
22:16.03freemangordonwith 3.5.4 that is
22:23.04Skrydid you have to fix a lot of things?
22:23.33freemangordonwell, not that much so far
22:23.53freemangordonthough lots of stuff is not working
22:24.33freemangordonthe biggest issue so far is mce, which does not start because of missing /dev/tvl4030-adc
22:26.42freemangordonand for some reason maemo don't find cellular modem
22:27.54Skrybtw I applied few patches from meego to cmt_speech
22:28.22Skryanyways, could it be some change in gpio related stuff as the modem has to powered on that way?
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22:29.33freemangordoncould be. but having PVR running is the ultimate win
22:29.43freemangordonall of the rest is just some tweaks
22:30.39freemangordonWOW, xterminal :D:D:D
22:31.00Skrythats nice, what versions of pvr drivers are you using? I had it working with the latest ones pretty nicely=
22:32.31freemangordonSkry: stock ;)
22:32.59Skryaah, well, that should at least work best for maemo, very good
22:33.33freemangordonyes, because of the cosed userspace stuff.
22:33.40freemangordon*closed
22:36.40Skryyeah, and the later versions behave weird with fbdev-sgx
22:41.13freemangordonhmm, where are "latests" PVR drivers?
22:57.19ShadowJK/sys/...something/..gpio.../cmt* :/
22:57.47freemangordonShadowJK: /dev/ttyGS2 is missing
22:58.03freemangordonNFC why, phonet os loaded
22:58.07freemangordon*is
23:00.27Skryfreemangordon: http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/sdo_sb/targetcontent/gfxsdk/4_08_00_01/index_FDS.html
23:00.45freemangordonaah, you mean SDK ones
23:01.49Skryif i recall, those need stuff backported to work
23:02.20freemangordonhmm, slider key does not work, backlight control too
23:02.35Skryforward*
23:05.26Skryfreemangordon: you probably need to export those extra key gpios via sysfs, also backlight controls are in different place in sysfs
23:05.38freemangordonyah
23:05.41freemangordonyeah*
23:06.11Skryboth rotation and mirror are also moved
23:27.22ShadowJKslider and lock key are both gpio
23:28.25freemangordonShadowJK: I know, though rotation and lock not working is because mce does not work, otherwise I see the signals in dmesg
23:28.48ShadowJKah
23:29.10freemangordonyeah, twl4030-adc is now in hwmon
23:30.08freemangordoni wonder is i just do mknod /dev/twl4030-adc will be enough. though i doubt
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