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| 08:26.17 | chem|st | fw190: you do not need to choose by windowmanager... I have debian testing with gnome or debian testing with ION... I would never go kde for any reason... I avoid using kdelibs as possible |
| 08:26.51 | fw190 | thanks for the tip |
| 08:26.58 | chem|st | any deb based distro usable will do the job as they all come with apt |
| 08:27.16 | chem|st | fw190: ehrm dpkg |
| 08:27.41 | fw190 | I was happy with buntukh (as Doc names it) |
| 08:27.46 | chem|st | fw190: the easy way is buntu... |
| 08:27.57 | fw190 | but now in 12.04 when I minimize libreoffice |
| 08:28.04 | fw190 | it sometimes disaperas |
| 08:28.07 | fw190 | but is still opened |
| 08:28.14 | chem|st | hmm |
| 08:28.17 | fw190 | writer is my main work tool |
| 08:28.20 | chem|st | buntkuh is kde? |
| 08:28.33 | fw190 | no ;) Ubuntu 12.04 LTE |
| 08:28.36 | fw190 | plain |
| 08:29.08 | chem|st | ah server? |
| 08:29.12 | fw190 | no no |
| 08:29.25 | chem|st | so ubuntu just it |
| 08:29.28 | chem|st | gnome then |
| 08:29.28 | fw190 | yes |
| 08:29.42 | fw190 | ubuntu UNity 12.04 LTS upgraded from 11.10 |
| 08:29.44 | chem|st | you may want to use gnome-fallback mode |
| 08:30.01 | chem|st | its gnome 3 right? |
| 08:31.36 | chem|st | as I told a friend who tried to build a high-performance machine "you do not tweak every last bit of processing power out of your system to have it the run compiz on top" |
| 08:32.36 | fw190 | to be ohnest I do not know |
| 08:32.45 | fw190 | I only know that I can install Nome 3 |
| 08:32.46 | chem|st | I have gnome3 on my desktop so my girlfriend is able to use it when I am not at home... but I swapped to fallback mode |
| 08:34.00 | chem|st | does you desktop look simillar to this http://www.google.com/imgres?q=ubuntu&hl=en&client=iceweasel-a&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&biw=1022&bih=478&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=zpGtXSK3WNgYoM:&imgrefurl=http://www.businesscomputingworld.co.uk/review-ubuntu-11-04/&docid=QKxwRtpGOMnTZM&imgurl=http://www.businesscomputingworld.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Ubuntu_1.jpg&w=500&h=375&ei=RcleUPOhIM3CtAaI7IBI&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=723&vpy=171&dur=1 |
| 08:34.12 | chem|st | oh darn goolge links... |
| 08:34.35 | chem|st | http://www.businesscomputingworld.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Ubuntu_1.jpg |
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| 08:35.51 | fw190 | yes |
| 08:36.05 | fw190 | it looks like this |
| 08:36.24 | chem|st | http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/classicgnome |
| 08:36.38 | chem|st | this is one way how to get classic mode again |
| 08:36.58 | chem|st | this will look somealike gnome2 |
| 08:37.55 | chem|st | merlin1991: ping |
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| 08:38.37 | chem|st | merlin1991: you have any idea where that theming issue reported on tmo came from and if it has anything todo with cssu? |
| 08:38.49 | chem|st | I never had any issues with themes |
| 08:39.11 | chem|st | well make it rumours |
| 08:40.39 | fw190 | chem|st: but I ilke Unity - got used to it... meh |
| 08:41.19 | freemangordon | fw190: you like Unity? hmm, that makes you first after its developers |
| 08:41.36 | chem|st | a guy asking in stable thread and claims that others reported issues with |
| 08:42.12 | chem|st | fw190: I had the "real" gnome3 desktop, that is cool but unity is just meh |
| 08:42.36 | chem|st | fw190: have you filled a bug against unity yet? |
| 08:43.15 | freemangordon | chem|st: he is asking if he will have issues with his theme if he installs CCSU iirc |
| 08:43.26 | chem|st | freemangordon: yes |
| 08:43.46 | fw190 | chem|st: it is hard to fill a proper bug when you are not native English speaker |
| 08:44.22 | chem|st | freemangordon: I had themes installed and one of them active back when I installed cssu |
| 08:44.35 | chem|st | no issues ever so I call it "claims" |
| 08:45.39 | chem|st | freemangordon: did you have issues? or do you know about any? |
| 08:45.45 | chem|st | then pls reply to him |
| 08:46.16 | freemangordon | chem|st: I am using Nokia theme, so I am not aware of any issues |
| 08:46.47 | fw190 | freemangordon: I use daily 3 programs - writer, chromium and firefox and sice yesterday xcaht - unity is usefull for this |
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| 08:53.46 | freemangordon | int_ua: hi. out if curiosity - what is the state if ubuntu install script? |
| 08:53.52 | freemangordon | *of |
| 08:55.34 | int_ua | well, I've just updated it few days ago but little changed since july I think |
| 08:56.16 | int_ua | freemangordon: the updates are in the unstable branch |
| 08:56.24 | freemangordon | ok |
| 08:57.49 | int_ua | freemangordon: I was out of Maemo community for two month, was there something interesting that happened besides the new CSSU? |
| 08:58.24 | fw190 | freemangordon: how are things going with new thumb? zeq is kinda MIA... |
| 08:59.34 | freemangordon | fw190: I will send him a mail today, I hope he will pull himself together :D |
| 08:59.54 | fw190 | I will kepp my fingers crosed for this |
| 09:00.07 | freemangordon | fw190: which new thumb, the one to be relaeased or latest? |
| 09:00.13 | fw190 | but still N900 fells like a devile |
| 09:00.25 | fw190 | freemangordon: the one you announced on yesterday ;) |
| 09:01.03 | freemangordon | fw190: I announced a new update yesterday? hmm, can't remember. |
| 09:01.29 | fw190 | or maybe I remeber something wrong |
| 09:01.30 | freemangordon | int_ua: well, besides usual things, don't now, things are pretty much the same |
| 09:01.38 | freemangordon | *know |
| 09:01.58 | fw190 | freemnagordon: I recall that you wrote on thursday that it will come on staurday ;) |
| 09:02.05 | freemangordon | aah, yes |
| 09:02.05 | fw190 | but I could be wrong |
| 09:02.13 | freemangordon | no, you're not |
| 09:02.24 | freemangordon | will try to make it today |
| 09:02.32 | fw190 | no hurry |
| 09:02.37 | fw190 | jus asking |
| 09:02.40 | fw190 | just |
| 09:02.58 | freemangordon | I know, but i just booted SB virtual machine :D |
| 09:03.02 | fw190 | damn have to learn to type and look on the screen |
| 09:03.26 | freemangordon | no use, see my typos ;) |
| 09:03.41 | fw190 | I wonder how much free space will this one bring? |
| 09:04.10 | freemangordon | some 100-200k |
| 09:04.53 | fw190 | it's always something ;) |
| 09:06.04 | int_ua | 100-200k from which files exactly? The whole rootfs or some packages? |
| 09:07.19 | fw190 | now this is interesting: http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/22/wifi-alliance-certificate-teases-tizen-flavored-galaxy-s3/ |
| 09:07.50 | freemangordon | int_ua: packages that install on rootfs |
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| 09:19.22 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ping |
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| 10:12.44 | freemangordon | arcean: ping |
| 10:24.25 | arcean | freemangordon: pong |
| 10:24.57 | freemangordon | arcean: I am trying to build openssl, but it takes ages doing tests, is that normal? |
| 10:25.28 | arcean | ah yes, it's a pain to build this :) |
| 10:25.54 | freemangordon | i have the feeling the source was recompiled at least 10 times so far |
| 10:26.05 | freemangordon | normal? |
| 10:26.14 | arcean | I think so |
| 10:26.17 | freemangordon | ok |
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| 10:26.57 | freemangordon | will do some performance testing ARM/gcc4.2.1 vs thumb/gcc4.7.2 |
| 10:27.07 | freemangordon | I am eager to see the results :D |
| 10:28.18 | freemangordon | finally, the packaging step |
| 10:30.32 | arcean | yeah, the performance tests could be interesting |
| 10:33.53 | freemangordon | yes it is |
| 10:34.07 | freemangordon | stock:aes-128-cbc 7729.41k 8513.09k 8840.59k 8842.92k 8917.73k |
| 10:34.14 | freemangordon | thumb:aes-128-cbc 12763.75k 14334.93k 14803.82k 14911.83k 14975.74k |
| 10:34.46 | freemangordon | the test is "openssl speed -evp aes-128-cbc" |
| 10:34.57 | ShadowJK | nice |
| 10:34.57 | freemangordon | nod bad :D:D:D |
| 10:35.13 | ShadowJK | recompile openssh so i get faster rsync |
| 10:35.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | would be interesting to compile *without* thumb on new compiler |
| 10:35.34 | freemangordon | yes |
| 10:35.54 | freemangordon | i'll do it after I make the new update |
| 10:36.19 | freemangordon | I think is it a good idea to play a little with compiler flags |
| 10:36.26 | freemangordon | -flto and such |
| 11:04.02 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: pong |
| 11:05.24 | freemangordon | merlin1991: what about to appoint a bug-triage meeting in the incomming week? |
| 11:08.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like a nice idea |
| 11:11.58 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: yep sounds good |
| 11:12.12 | merlin1991 | though we only have about 5 to 6 bugs reported atm |
| 11:18.05 | freemangordon | even better, it will take only an hour then :D |
| 11:19.10 | freemangordon | the fuck, ftree-vectorize breaks openssl :(. though it might be qemu that executes neon instructions bad :) |
| 11:22.52 | freemangordon | seems so http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2010-01/msg01504.html |
| 11:30.17 | kerio | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1270941&postcount=307 w. t. f. |
| 11:30.31 | kerio | "cssu should add functionality, not functionality!" |
| 11:31.51 | merlin1991 | the whole post is kinda dafuq |
| 11:32.25 | merlin1991 | somebody missed the point about repositories and "relying on something" and ofc *autobuilder does not contain cssu packages* |
| 11:36.56 | kerio | merlin1991: to be fair, it should |
| 11:37.16 | merlin1991 | yeah but as long as it doesn't the argument is m00t |
| 11:37.24 | merlin1991 | and there really is nothing we can do about it to change |
| 11:44.33 | merlin1991 | well freemangordon when do you have time? same question goes for arcean and Pali |
| 11:46.52 | merlin1991 | ~fmtxd |
| 11:46.58 | merlin1991 | dang no factoid? |
| 11:49.15 | kerio | merlin1991: can we ship jacekowski's modified fmtxd? |
| 11:49.33 | merlin1991 | does it have nokia only (c) ? |
| 11:49.37 | kerio | we don't have any obligations regarding tx power, do we? |
| 11:49.40 | kerio | merlin1991: hm, idk |
| 11:49.41 | merlin1991 | then we *could* thanks to quims exception |
| 11:49.53 | freemangordon | merlin1991: I think I will be ok after 20 EEST, no matter the day |
| 11:50.09 | merlin1991 | what's the UTC offset of EEST? |
| 11:50.36 | arcean | +3 |
| 11:50.59 | freemangordon | yep |
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| 11:51.36 | arcean | for me, 20 EEST is also ok |
| 11:56.03 | merlin1991 | arcean: also almost any day? |
| 11:56.41 | freemangordon | any idea how to run openssl test on the device? |
| 11:56.59 | freemangordon | *tests |
| 11:58.55 | merlin1991 | well debian/rules does it by "make test" |
| 12:00.37 | kerio | that's not the test fmg wanted, i think |
| 12:01.01 | freemangordon | merlin1991: yes, but those fail in SB with -ftree-vectorize |
| 12:01.15 | freemangordon | as qemu NEON support is broken |
| 12:01.40 | merlin1991 | well my suggestion is on the lines of move full tree on the device and run `make test` there |
| 12:02.08 | merlin1991 | though the tests include building the testmodules :/ |
| 12:02.13 | freemangordon | unfortunately is i called 3 times with make clean in between |
| 12:02.20 | freemangordon | *it is |
| 12:02.48 | freemangordon | though i could assume that one test passed is ok |
| 12:02.59 | freemangordon | one "make test" that is |
| 12:03.59 | merlin1991 | hm you could haxxor the MakeFile in the test/ folder to run a different "exe" code that does *scp to my device* *run over ssh* *check return code* |
| 12:04.22 | kerio | freemangordon: install toolchain on device |
| 12:04.28 | freemangordon | kerio: hehe |
| 12:04.34 | kerio | no, srsly |
| 12:04.35 | kerio | use m32g |
| 12:04.38 | merlin1991 | but that includes deploying all the test data to the device aswell |
| 12:04.43 | freemangordon | we don;t have ARM binary |
| 12:04.48 | kerio | D: |
| 12:04.55 | kerio | ok, make ARM toolchain |
| 12:05.02 | freemangordon | merlin1991: yeah, that could work |
| 12:05.24 | freemangordon | do we have make in the device? |
| 12:05.27 | freemangordon | binutils? |
| 12:05.40 | kerio | freemangordon: yeah but probably not the right versions |
| 12:05.47 | arcean | merlin1991: if it's 20 EEST (or later), sure :) |
| 12:05.49 | freemangordon | does not matter |
| 12:06.10 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: actually we have both those :D |
| 12:06.17 | kerio | there's binutils in sdk or sdk/tools |
| 12:06.25 | freemangordon | yes |
| 12:06.27 | freemangordon | afaik |
| 12:06.42 | merlin1991 | but I'd go for haxxor in scp call that deploys all test data and then runs each binary on device |
| 12:06.49 | freemangordon | well, I want to see what is the performance gain first |
| 12:06.55 | freemangordon | merlin1991: yes |
| 12:07.19 | freemangordon | i put - in front of make test, so at least I will have .debs |
| 12:08.00 | merlin1991 | isn't # a comment in a makefile? |
| 12:08.21 | freemangordon | - means "ignore the return value" |
| 12:08.34 | merlin1991 | ah :P |
| 12:08.55 | merlin1991 | btw freemangordon how do you actually have your scratchbox set up? |
| 12:09.18 | freemangordon | using this http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%29 |
| 12:09.25 | merlin1991 | nono the host system |
| 12:09.33 | merlin1991 | I'm thinking of using a qemu image on my external hdd, because I'm getting fed up with not having everything on both pc and laptop |
| 12:09.36 | freemangordon | it is nokia vmware image |
| 12:13.12 | freemangordon | hmm, using -ftree-vectorize degrades performance :D |
| 12:13.31 | merlin1991 | lol |
| 12:14.00 | freemangordon | yeah :( |
| 12:21.12 | kerio | freemangordon: is sb-thumb-errata-provider just a dummy package? |
| 12:22.07 | freemangordon | yes |
| 12:23.11 | kerio | so why the "sb"? |
| 12:23.23 | freemangordon | scratchbox? |
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| 12:30.34 | kent_autistic | arcean: ping |
| 12:31.28 | kent_autistic | freemangordon: there's an update for fb common plugin something. what's it for? |
| 12:39.28 | freemangordon | kent_autistic: update? where is is? on gitorious? |
| 12:39.43 | int_ua | freemangordon: Does -ftree-vectorize degrades performance in QEMU? Any chance it could be different on the device? |
| 12:39.57 | freemangordon | int_ua: I tested it on the device |
| 12:40.03 | int_ua | ok |
| 12:40.20 | freemangordon | without:aes-128-cbc 12660.73k 14264.36k 14827.64k 14985.11k 14970.26k |
| 12:40.29 | freemangordon | with:aes-128-cbc 11791.74k 14040.32k 14517.43k 14658.03k 14649.71k |
| 12:48.35 | freemangordon | merlin1991: cannot upload openssl in the repo, it complains something about udeb, check inotcomming.log |
| 12:55.57 | kent_autistic | freemangordon: in HAM. catalog is cssu devel although i do not have that repo |
| 12:58.32 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: fixed (and imported) |
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| 13:03.06 | int_ua | and the hildon-desktop crashed on closing Pidgin. |
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| 13:07.50 | int_ua | Does mce have source code now? Was it modified in CSSU? |
| 13:12.59 | int_ua | Will bugs.maemo.org be shut down in three months? What's the new place? Gitorious? |
| 13:13.19 | int_ua | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1271035&postcount=9 |
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| 13:39.32 | kerio | freemangordon: ooooh, new openssl? |
| 13:39.37 | kerio | well, "new" |
| 13:39.50 | kerio | optimized openssl? :D |
| 13:40.25 | kerio | hahahaha, 0.9.8n-1+maemo4+0m5+0cssu0+thumb0 |
| 13:40.33 | kerio | there's a point where this should've stopped and we clearly passed it |
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| 13:42.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: have you installed cssu-θ on your main n900 yet? |
| 13:50.18 | tg | hi |
| 13:50.39 | tg | i'm trying to install cssu now, but seems like i'll have to resolve some qt4 conflicts first |
| 13:51.38 | kerio | tg: hm, there shouldn't be any |
| 13:51.43 | kerio | have you followed the instructions on the wiki pag? |
| 13:51.45 | kerio | *page |
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| 13:54.53 | tg | yes i did |
| 13:56.58 | tg | btw, what's the package name of the community update? |
| 13:57.18 | tg | so i can take a look with cmdline tools |
| 13:58.14 | kerio | tg: mp-fremantle-community-pr |
| 13:58.28 | kerio | apt-get upgrade will upgrade most of the packages though |
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| 13:59.36 | kerio | so you don't really need to explicitly use the metapackage, if you're using apt |
| 14:06.27 | kerio | tg: what's the output of "apt-get upgrade"? |
| 14:08.45 | tg | https://tg.tgbit.net/log/maemo/cssu-install |
| 14:08.47 | tg | kerio: ^^ |
| 14:09.10 | tg | strangely only HAM shows conflicts |
| 14:09.26 | kerio | have you run the cssu enabler? |
| 14:09.32 | tg | yes |
| 14:09.35 | kerio | also, which flavour is this? |
| 14:09.38 | kerio | cssu-testing? |
| 14:09.39 | tg | testing |
| 14:10.40 | kerio | are you sure you ran the enabler before trying to upgrade? |
| 14:11.14 | tg | think so, i can try running it again |
| 14:11.57 | tg | it's not in the menu anymore |
| 14:12.01 | tg | so i definitely ran it |
| 14:12.34 | kerio | weird, there must've been something wrong with it |
| 14:12.48 | kerio | can you run "sudo community-ssu-enabler" from a terminal and pastebin the output? |
| 14:13.14 | tg | Community SSU already enabled |
| 14:13.33 | kerio | hrmpf |
| 14:13.38 | kerio | there's definetely something wrong though |
| 14:13.51 | kerio | tg: install mp-fremantle-generic-pr and run community-ssu-enabler again |
| 14:14.41 | tg | okay |
| 14:14.48 | tg | should i apt-get upgrade first? |
| 14:14.54 | tg | or that's not needed |
| 14:15.16 | kerio | no, i said mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 14:15.21 | kerio | it's the nokia one |
| 14:15.52 | kerio | install it, it shouldn't ask for a confirmation |
| 14:16.22 | tg | ah, generic, ok |
| 14:18.00 | tg | so this would remove a bunch of apps |
| 14:18.08 | kerio | really? :o |
| 14:18.09 | kerio | don't do that |
| 14:18.14 | tg | https://tg.tgbit.net/log/maemo/cssu-install |
| 14:18.18 | tg | at the end |
| 14:18.40 | kerio | ah balls, right |
| 14:18.43 | kerio | yeah, yeah |
| 14:19.24 | kerio | no, wait |
| 14:19.25 | kerio | what? D: |
| 14:20.02 | tg | so if only HAM complains, i could proceed with apt-getting i guess? |
| 14:20.26 | kerio | yeah but then you lose the pinning of those packages, so apt-get autoremove won't work correctly for you |
| 14:20.34 | kerio | and besides, apt isn't supported |
| 14:20.36 | tg | oic |
| 14:20.38 | kerio | merlin1991: *poke* |
| 14:20.58 | kerio | tg: i'm sure you followed the instructions correctly and have a backupmenu backup ready to be restored, right? |
| 14:21.32 | tg | i have a backup yes |
| 14:21.42 | tg | but a broken usb port :( |
| 14:22.01 | tg | so it's hard to restore it if it won't boot anymore |
| 14:22.10 | kerio | tg: so? backupmenu can restore from the device with no need for a usb port |
| 14:22.14 | kerio | in theory ;) |
| 14:22.27 | tg | as long as it boots, yeah |
| 14:22.33 | kerio | why shouldn't it boot? |
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| 14:22.39 | kerio | at least, why shouldn't it boot to backupmenu? |
| 14:22.51 | kerio | hell, why shouldn't it boot to bootmenu? |
| 14:22.55 | tg | ah you mean i should do that now |
| 14:23.02 | kerio | you could do that |
| 14:23.17 | kerio | so you can refollow the instructions but instead of running the enabler from the icon, run it from a terminal and pastebin the output |
| 14:23.38 | tg | ok |
| 14:23.50 | tg | can't i just remove the enabler package? |
| 14:24.09 | kerio | the enabler did a bunch of changes already |
| 14:24.51 | kerio | also, make sure your battery is well charged |
| 14:24.58 | kerio | for both the restore and the install |
| 14:25.23 | tg | yup. it is |
| 14:29.02 | tg | is there no log file produced by the enabler? |
| 14:29.10 | kerio | hmm, actually there could be |
| 14:29.12 | kerio | look in /opt/ssu/ |
| 14:29.15 | kerio | or /opt/cssu/ |
| 14:30.46 | tg | neither of those exist |
| 14:31.19 | kerio | hrmpf |
| 14:31.31 | kerio | wait for merlin1991 or Pali |
| 14:31.42 | tg | okay |
| 14:31.53 | kerio | merlin1991 is the cssu-testing maintainer, Pali's the dude that wrote the enalber |
| 14:31.55 | kerio | *enabler |
| 14:32.17 | Pali | here |
| 14:32.32 | Pali | what is problem? |
| 14:32.35 | kerio | Pali: does community-ssu-enabler write a log file somewhere? |
| 14:32.43 | kerio | Pali: he's got some weird stuff going on |
| 14:32.51 | Pali | I think no |
| 14:32.57 | kerio | conflicts with qtm and lack of pinning of nokia packages |
| 14:33.20 | kerio | pinning in the sense of marking as manually installed |
| 14:34.43 | Pali | hm, this part of installer was not changed |
| 14:35.05 | Pali | installation script (which doing apt-get) was not changed |
| 14:35.15 | Pali | I do not know what happened |
| 14:35.18 | kerio | me neither |
| 14:35.35 | kerio | tg: restore the backup? |
| 14:40.48 | tg | waait, it seems to work now |
| 14:41.00 | tg | i disabled the cssu-testing repo then reenabled it |
| 14:41.09 | tg | now ham does not show any conflicts anymore |
| 14:41.24 | kerio | heh |
| 14:41.28 | kerio | ham is silly |
| 14:42.08 | tg | how long does the upgrade usually take? |
| 14:42.24 | kerio | "a while" |
| 14:42.27 | tg | :{ |
| 14:42.29 | tg | :) |
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| 15:37.20 | freemangordon | some values for openssl |
| 15:37.24 | freemangordon | http://pastebin.com/Bpdt8nr7 |
| 15:43.47 | tg | yay, it finished, took 45-50min |
| 15:46.49 | DocScrutinizer06 | ARF, configuring dd-wrt |
| 15:47.25 | kerio | tg: damn .s |
| 15:47.26 | kerio | :s |
| 15:48.03 | kerio | freemangordon: neat, free speedups :D |
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| 15:48.28 | freemangordon | kerio: and about 1MB more free space |
| 15:49.11 | freemangordon | will have the exactl value later, for some reason debug symbols were in the main .deb, not in -deb ?!? |
| 15:49.15 | freemangordon | -dbg |
| 15:49.54 | kerio | D: |
| 15:50.03 | kerio | so i have debug symbols on my n900 now D: |
| 15:50.11 | kerio | D: D: D: <- this is my alarmed face |
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| 15:50.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yay, another reboot |
| 15:50.53 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: which hw? |
| 15:51.01 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: what are you doing? trying to break your router? |
| 15:51.03 | freemangordon | :P |
| 15:51.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | already fscked it |
| 15:51.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.20 | kerio | isn't it... ancient? |
| 15:52.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly |
| 15:53.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | still waaay better than this POS D-LINK DIR-615 |
| 15:53.46 | kerio | has a wrt610n |
| 15:53.57 | kerio | it's sleek |
| 15:55.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, now dhcpcd has 'fixed' IP for 6 Nokia devices via WLAN, plus 3 wired boxes, a shifted network base addr of 192.168.4(!).x, proper forced reconnect at 5:00, and YAY I even made it to put WLAN to work again |
| 15:56.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | with *unchanged* credentials on all those ~15 wireless devices around |
| 15:56.48 | kerio | :D |
| 15:56.59 | kerio | why forced reconnect? |
| 15:57.03 | kerio | isn't it better to reconnect immediately? |
| 15:57.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | because I have forced disconnect anyway, courtesy t-online |
| 15:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | once every 24h |
| 15:57.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't like it to shift later 5min every day |
| 15:58.06 | kerio | haha |
| 15:59.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | sooooooo time for brunch |
| 15:59.56 | kerio | i should get DHCP working properly |
| 16:01.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | a real PITA until it finally works as supposed |
| 16:01.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you don't want *anything* special, it usually works OOTB |
| 16:02.42 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i want my wifi and my ethernet on the laptop to get the same address |
| 16:02.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just wonder now why all that $fruit crap of my neighbour/friend isn't logged in yet |
| 16:02.47 | kerio | i doubt it's doable, with dhcp |
| 16:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's not even a faintly working setup at all |
| 16:03.48 | kerio | worksforme |
| 16:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | no matter if DHCP or fixed addr |
| 16:04.05 | kerio | (with fixed addresses) |
| 16:04.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't see how you could run two NIC on same subnet with same IP |
| 16:04.26 | kerio | i just let the two NICs fight it out |
| 16:04.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | FFS |
| 16:04.50 | kerio | i have no fucking idea of what's going on, but it works |
| 16:05.04 | kerio | plug ethernet cord in, connections move to ethernet |
| 16:05.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what you think |
| 16:05.09 | kerio | unplug it, connections move to wifi |
| 16:05.13 | kerio | they don't even drop |
| 16:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | you do that with a bridge |
| 16:06.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then you probably can use DHCP easily |
| 16:07.04 | kerio | but it works fine now! :( |
| 16:08.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really, since you already noticed it won't with DHCP for example |
| 16:09.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's mere random which device in your local network has which MAC/NIC in its ARP table for your janus PC at any time |
| 16:10.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: not really |
| 16:11.04 | kerio | ethernet is faster |
| 16:11.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | if anything sends a ARP-WHO-HAS <your-IP>, it will get two conflicting answers |
| 16:11.24 | kerio | yeah, but the reply from the ethernet one comes quicker :) |
| 16:11.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you're out of luck, since the last answer sticks |
| 16:12.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe not |
| 16:12.03 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why the hell don't i drop connections then? |
| 16:12.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | or your device asking gets a kernel panic ;-P |
| 16:13.14 | kerio | maybe os x is *that* magical |
| 16:13.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's even depending on your router(s) if (they) is/are using IP or ARP routing |
| 16:13.21 | kerio | but it works on linux too |
| 16:14.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | (I'm gently leaving firm ground, as some of you might have noticed) |
| 16:15.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, set this shit up as a proper bridge, then it's up to your router's capabilities to handle metrics or whatnot, to decide the proper routing |
| 16:16.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are you got a bridge setup anyway. I have, by 'accident' - seems it came with XEN |
| 16:16.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ifconfig br0 |
| 16:17.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | brctl show |
| 16:17.59 | kerio | no i'm not |
| 16:18.02 | kerio | en0, en1 |
| 16:18.05 | kerio | (ethernet, wifi) |
| 16:18.12 | kerio | or eth0, wlan0 on linux |
| 16:18.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 16:18.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | man brctl |
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| 16:20.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are quite a few short and easy howto in the interwebs too |
| 16:21.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | even a simple plain "brctl" will encourage you to investigate further, the latest when you read nice stuff like >>setpathcost <bridge> <port> <cost> set path cost<< and >> setportprio <bridge> <port> <prio> set port priority<< |
| 16:23.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and to your DHCPd on your PC it will look like one NIC, so only one DHCP lease will get requested |
| 16:23.18 | kerio | i have to do that on the router side too, don't i |
| 16:23.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, not really |
| 16:23.46 | kerio | then how the fuck will it know where to send the packets? |
| 16:23.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ARP |
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| 16:24.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ARP-WHO-HAS <your-IP> |
| 16:24.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | only the higher prio active NIC will send an answer, with correct MAC |
| 16:25.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | TCP/IP is *magic* ;-D |
| 16:25.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | but not THAT magic that you could get away with botch like yours without recoil |
| 16:26.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: btw, people on the internets claim that you can't do that with ethernet and wifi |
| 16:26.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | crank up whireshark and weep |
| 16:27.13 | kerio | because they can't connect to the same other endpoint or whatevs |
| 16:30.37 | kerio | anyway, snow leopard can't bond the wifi NIC :( |
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| 16:42.24 | rlinfati | Hi, and updated tzdata can be into the cssu ? |
| 16:47.07 | freemangordon | merlin1991: can you please check if you have /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/openssl on your device? I have the feeling it is not only -thumb packaging that should be fixed. |
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| 18:10.23 | int_ua | I have one |
| 18:10.32 | int_ua | openssl debug |
| 18:11.39 | int_ua | libssl0.9.8 |
| 18:11.55 | freemangordon | great :( |
| 18:11.56 | int_ua | + 2 .so in ...debug/usr/lib |
| 18:12.02 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ^^^ |
| 18:13.07 | freemangordon | int_ua: thanks |
| 18:13.11 | int_ua | rlinfati: can you please rephrase, I didn't understand |
| 18:13.43 | freemangordon | unfortunately he went out just before I was about to ask the same :D |
| 18:13.51 | int_ua | oh) |
| 18:14.24 | int_ua | I think it was "Can we update tzdata?" |
| 18:14.37 | freemangordon | yeah, something like that |
| 18:16.52 | int_ua | so, what's the status of bugs.maemo.org? |
| 18:17.04 | int_ua | and the future |
| 18:17.07 | freemangordon | expired certificate? |
| 18:19.41 | int_ua | + unconfirmed (for me) info that it will be down in 3 month |
| 18:19.50 | int_ua | let me check the thread |
| 18:22.58 | int_ua | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1271035&postcount=9 |
| 18:24.03 | freemangordon | it is plausible |
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| 19:25.57 | fw190 | freemangordon: Nokia just announced me that 6,14mb will be free after the update |
| 19:25.59 | fw190 | nice |
| 19:27.20 | fw190 | podgrzewacze intersport |
| 19:27.33 | fw190 | sorry for that |
| 19:30.19 | freemangordon | fw190: unfortunately it is not the real savings, it seems openssl in -testing is shipped with debug symbols :( |
| 19:30.42 | freemangordon | the real value is about 1M or less |
| 19:30.52 | fw190 | that is always something |
| 19:30.56 | fw190 | another step forward ;) |
| 19:30.59 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 19:31.49 | fw190 | better to make tiny steps but all the time then on big and silence |
| 19:32.11 | fw190 | thumb is like an avalanche - goes biger and bigger |
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| 19:33.22 | freemangordon | yeah, the reason i put only 2 -thumb packages in the last update is that rolling more than that makes harded to find what has happened if something gets broken |
| 19:34.37 | fw190 | true |
| 19:34.40 | fw190 | anyway |
| 19:34.45 | fw190 | thanks for the good work |
| 19:34.59 | fw190 | time to eat something ;) |
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| 20:02.15 | ShadowJK | i must not be getting updates on thumb anymore |
| 20:02.42 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: ? |
| 20:03.18 | ShadowJK | as in, on my testing device, I switched to thumb before last cssu-testing update |
| 20:04.17 | freemangordon | aah, you should manually install it, sorry for that, but versioning scheme was wrong |
| 20:04.45 | freemangordon | or (as it is your testing device) just flash and reinstall |
| 20:05.19 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1267008&postcount=666 |
| 20:05.48 | freemangordon | though you should edit the file and change metapackage version to be thumb1 instead of thumb0 |
| 20:08.59 | ShadowJK | I mostly use my test device for battery related stuff :) |
| 20:09.55 | freemangordon | well, you could yse either ways, but flashing seems slower to me. You know, rootsh, openssh, mc, etc,etc :) |
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| 21:48.16 | ShadowJK | let's see if this blows up |
| 21:54.49 | ShadowJK | heh, changing MyDocs to exec instead of noexec? |
| 21:56.59 | kerio | freemangordon: oh come on, stop recommending your shell script to people that can handle basic file editing :P |
| 22:09.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: somebody thought it's a nice idea, nfc why |
| 22:10.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | frowns at it |
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