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| 07:10.06 | amiconn | Estel_: Any ETA for usable fennec? All versions I've tried so far were unusably sloooooooow |
| 07:11.14 | amiconn | Not only its own gui + layout engine, but even plugin output was unusable (flash stuff that runs okay in microb was not usable in fennec) |
| 07:53.46 | ShadowJK | if we could get fennec to use less ram |
| 07:54.02 | ShadowJK | maybe even trade ram for increased cpu use |
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| 14:03.13 | kerio | freemangordon: *poke* |
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| 14:16.42 | kerio | hm, freemangordon said not to update anything |
| 14:16.50 | kerio | but these packages have a higher version! they must be better! |
| 14:23.11 | Raimu | kerio: What, those brewing in cssu thumb testing? I installed all of those. Test away if you dare. |
| 14:25.16 | kerio | :3 |
| 14:25.26 | kerio | the updated microb-engine that should fix the tls issue |
| 14:25.28 | kerio | yeah |
| 14:30.35 | jonwil | anyone installing cssu-thumb in the first place is obviously willing to be a guinea pig :) |
| 15:20.26 | freemangordon | new update is out, testing on my primary device, gimme a minute to update and reboot and you should be good to go |
| 15:21.02 | freemangordon | just have in mind the kernel is still not updated |
| 15:21.07 | freemangordon | Pali: ping |
| 15:23.28 | freemangordon | well, my device booted, https://google.com works with TLS enabled,so I assume everything is ok |
| 15:24.46 | freemangordon | Raimu, kerio, jonwil ^^^ |
| 15:24.55 | kerio | ^^ |
| 15:27.39 | kerio | freemangordon: what about the bug regarding browserd not closing correctly? |
| 15:32.08 | freemangordon | fixed |
| 15:32.20 | kerio | ^_^ |
| 15:32.39 | freemangordon | or at least should be :P |
| 15:34.58 | Pali | ok, going to update |
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| 15:43.09 | freemangordon | Pali: i was pinging you bekause of kp bootimg provides, it is what is stopping me to upgrade kernel-cssu and to fix dependencies |
| 15:43.21 | freemangordon | s/bekause/because/ |
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| 16:55.55 | Pali | problem is with repositories |
| 16:56.27 | Pali | freemangordon, change depends to: kernel-power-flasher | kernel-cssu-flasher |
| 16:56.59 | Pali | this could be temp solution until repositories will be fixed |
| 17:09.07 | Raimu | freemangordon: Updated. |
| 17:11.57 | freemangordon | Raimu: ok? |
| 17:12.07 | Raimu | Yes! TLS fine. |
| 17:12.14 | freemangordon | ~tls |
| 17:12.14 | infobot | methinks tls is Transport Layer Security (ssl) but there could be thread-local storage or, in polish, TrzyLiterowy Skrot, what's mean ThreeLetter Acronym |
| 17:12.20 | freemangordon | aah, yes :D |
| 17:12.40 | freemangordon | Raimu: yes, i know ;) |
| 17:13.09 | Raimu | freemangordon: How's the fennec thing progressing? |
| 17:13.18 | freemangordon | tomorrow will update the kernel, and after that will start to add more packages |
| 17:13.24 | Raimu | I haven't been following. |
| 17:13.27 | freemangordon | Raimu: hard to say |
| 17:13.53 | freemangordon | sunspider results are back to normal, but memory usage is too big |
| 17:14.18 | freemangordon | abot 100MB for only TMO opened :( |
| 17:14.32 | Raimu | Sounds like regular Firefox. |
| 17:14.47 | freemangordon | anyway I will pester zeq to open bugs with all of the maemo5 patches |
| 17:15.28 | freemangordon | and because of the toolchain upgrade none of us did have time to check one thing romaxa wants to be checked |
| 17:15.52 | Raimu | (I just checked to open tmo and nothing else in Firefox on Windows - 195 megs gulped) |
| 17:16.06 | freemangordon | ]but now the things are settled down, so we can continue |
| 17:16.10 | Raimu | Ah. |
| 17:17.10 | Raimu | You guys're doing great. :) I have nothing but thanks. |
| 17:17.36 | kerio | freemangordon: so will i be able to officially pass to the thumb repo? |
| 17:17.45 | freemangordon | Raimu: well, thank you for being my first guinea pig :D |
| 17:22.12 | freemangordon | kerio: what? |
| 17:22.26 | kerio | right now i only have the packages installed |
| 17:22.36 | kerio | mp-fremantle-community-pr is still the cssu-testing one |
| 17:22.59 | kerio | because you want me to install your ugly kernel instead of pali's beautiful one :3 |
| 17:24.12 | Raimu | ¬_¬;; |
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| 17:38.57 | freemangordon | kerio: I don't want anything from you :P . BTW you may want to check the maintainers of KP ;) |
| 17:39.08 | kerio | ONLY PALI IS THE TRUE GOD |
| 17:39.11 | kerio | ALL HAIL PALI |
| 17:39.38 | Raimu | Thankfully he isn't here, he'd be pissed off with all those hilights. |
| 17:39.46 | Raimu | You don't wanna say your lord's name in vain. |
| 17:40.13 | kerio | anyway, i still think that there should be a separation between a stock-ish kernel and a power-ish kernel |
| 17:40.23 | kerio | if anything, for traditio |
| 17:40.23 | kerio | n |
| 17:40.50 | Raimu | Tradition is the worst excuse for anything. What tradition stands for may have worth, but. |
| 17:41.34 | kerio | hehe |
| 17:42.08 | Raimu | Anyway, seems unlikely that people would accept CSSU phasing out a stock-ish kernel. |
| 17:42.28 | kerio | why not? it would just be a kernel upgrade |
| 17:43.20 | kerio | otoh, if someone actually finds a way to build a "power" kernel in a way that leaves it abi-compatible with the stock omap1 kernel... |
| 17:43.28 | kerio | but how would that work? the version is even different |
| 17:43.32 | Raimu | mmm. |
| 17:43.42 | kerio | kp is at 2.6.28.10, stock is 2.6.28.0 iirc |
| 17:43.51 | kerio | fmg said he was working on it |
| 17:44.07 | kerio | at that point, kernel-power could just be released as "kernel" |
| 17:44.10 | kerio | for cssu-testing |
| 17:44.37 | Raimu | I guess one issue is that CSSU has officially stayed out of the kernelspace so far. |
| 17:45.21 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05 says that cssu SHALL NOT break third-party applications that rely on the kernel being the stock nokia kernel |
| 17:45.26 | Raimu | I'm not the brightest star to argue along the lines of "what CSSU is and isn't" but that's... yes. |
| 17:45.57 | kerio | i say that people who buy joikuspot instead of using mobilehotspot/qtmobilehotspot deserve it |
| 17:46.04 | kerio | but i'm a dick |
| 17:46.07 | Raimu | I do understand that backwards comp reasoning. |
| 17:46.16 | kerio | besides, joiku works with kernel-power |
| 17:46.33 | kerio | the issue is the generic third party program |
| 17:46.44 | Raimu | But also it bugs me that backward-comp is needed for apps that were farted out in a hasty manner and never fixed and won't be updated ever again. |
| 17:46.47 | kerio | did the kernel not change between nokia PRs? |
| 17:46.56 | kerio | Raimu: fuckin' THAT |
| 18:06.57 | freemangordon | stock is 2.6.28.10, KP is 2.6.28.10. period. |
| 18:07.59 | kerio | oh ok |
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| 19:51.36 | Estel_ | freemangordon, what is wrong with current kernel, i.e. what is the change and problem with repository again? |
| 19:52.11 | Estel_ | sorry for asking when You're in middle of work, I would jsut love to jump into properly updated cssu-thumb wagon :) |
| 19:52.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | nuttin wrong with current kernel ;-P |
| 19:52.33 | Estel_ | and after reading 2q46216542374652376473285435 pages on forum. I still don't know current state opf manual steps required. Oh well. |
| 19:52.45 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, define current ;P |
| 19:53.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | current: [adj] used as in >> <Estel_> freemangordon, what is wrong with current kernel |
| 19:54.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict current |
| 19:54.49 | Estel_ | well, following it, it's kernel-cssu with thumb support or kp51 with thumbs support |
| 19:55.07 | Estel_ | if we go into philosophical discussions, it is only one kernel being developed now in context of Maemo |
| 19:55.13 | Estel_ | it should suffice "current":P |
| 19:55.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | following it it's a gas |
| 19:57.12 | Estel_ | :P |
| 19:57.14 | Estel_ | or plasma |
| 19:57.46 | Estel_ | coming next - plasma vacuum shield, powered from N900's battery and controlled via usb hostmode |
| 19:58.04 | Estel_ | why not, we have portable brain scanner already |
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| 22:18.00 | ShadowJK | notices pali's warning about thumb in sdk |
| 22:18.21 | ShadowJK | I wonder if it's normal thumb1 (that works) or thumb2/thumbee (that's unstable) that he's referring to |
| 22:19.12 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: it is thumb2 |
| 22:19.19 | ShadowJK | k |
| 22:19.28 | freemangordon | gcc uses thumb2 by default on cortex-a8 |
| 22:19.40 | freemangordon | actually I don't think there is a way to use thumb1 |
| 22:19.59 | freemangordon | (if targeting anything above arm5) |