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| 10:04.20 | kerio | how does the "Update clock automatically" toggle in settings work? |
| 10:04.31 | kerio | with the time provided by gsm/umts? |
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| 11:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
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| 13:37.06 | kerio | are there plans for proper 720p support in the future? |
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| 14:40.15 | Estel_ | kerio, what do you mean? 720p works by using 720p things from freemangordon. For recording and playback |
| 14:41.44 | kerio | Estel_: yeah, will those be eventually integrated in cssu? |
| 14:42.04 | kerio | they require the change of files in system packages |
| 14:42.11 | Estel_ | ask CSSU maintainers |
| 14:42.19 | Estel_ | AFAIK merlin1991 and MohammadAG |
| 14:42.21 | kerio | ...thus, me asking that question here |
| 14:42.29 | Estel_ | nods |
| 14:42.43 | Estel_ | yes, i just wanted to highlight specific people addressed with this question |
| 14:42.56 | Estel_ | i.e. ping them :P |
| 14:43.08 | Estel_ | (which I did by mentioning their names) |
| 15:14.56 | kerio | Estel_: i'm not even sure of what the files i'd have to overwrite do |
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| 17:29.49 | Lava_Croft | i reckon 720p support is more something for cssu-extra or whatever |
| 17:30.48 | kerio | what's cssu-extra? :O |
| 17:30.49 | kerio | i want it |
| 17:30.56 | kerio | it sounds neat |
| 17:31.13 | Lava_Croft | i think its a planned repo for stuff that doesnt really belong in cssu base |
| 17:32.28 | Lava_Croft | the name cssu-extra was just made up by me |
| 17:32.43 | kerio | i suppose cssu-thumb kinda fits |
| 17:32.50 | kerio | but that's even more specialized |
| 17:32.55 | Lava_Croft | cssu thumb doesnt fit at all |
| 17:33.11 | Lava_Croft | unless stuff is thumb2 compiled |
| 17:33.44 | kerio | i meant the other way around |
| 17:33.50 | kerio | thumb stuff in a -extra repo |
| 17:33.58 | Lava_Croft | that doesnt really fit either |
| 17:34.18 | kerio | so DocScrutinizer is happy because we don't break binary compat with old closed-source kernel modules that can't be recompiled |
| 17:34.20 | Lava_Croft | the word 'extra' does not mix well at all with what cssu-thumb tries to accomplish |
| 17:34.57 | kerio | thumb would kinda fit in cssu proper, except for the kernel |
| 17:35.20 | Lava_Croft | and except for the hack solution thumb2 uses |
| 17:35.29 | Lava_Croft | cssu-thumb is nice, but its one big hack :) |
| 17:35.38 | kerio | it's not :c |
| 17:36.00 | Lava_Croft | i dont know how you want to call their solution to be able to use thumb2 compiled binaries then:) |
| 17:36.17 | kerio | a workaround for hardware bugs? |
| 17:37.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu extras probably refers to cssu optional packages, which are simply another class in HAM, besides user and whatnot else is already there |
| 17:37.09 | Lava_Croft | yes |
| 17:37.52 | kerio | oh, so i'd have free non-free extra? |
| 17:38.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | kinda |
| 17:38.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's one level lower |
| 17:39.16 | kerio | so... free non-free |
| 17:39.17 | kerio | extra? |
| 17:39.21 | kerio | *ba dum tsss* |
| 17:39.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | same way libs don't show up in HAM as installable pkg, optional packages will only be... optional |
| 17:39.44 | kerio | oh, so just not installed by default |
| 17:39.45 | kerio | i see |
| 17:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a tag on each package saying ehat it actually is |
| 17:40.06 | kerio | ...why not? 720p support is good, even if a bit stuttery because dsp isn't overclocked |
| 17:42.19 | kerio | freemangordon: how is one supposed to use cssu-thumb? add the repo and then tell HAM to upgrade? |
| 17:42.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders what for he got a brain, if it's not useful to recall where merlin1991placed the proper description of cssu optional concept |
| 17:43.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: just don't have cssu enabler install it :) |
| 17:43.49 | kerio | i mean, it's just a repo |
| 17:44.18 | Lava_Croft | doesnt 720p video require overclocking |
| 17:44.31 | Lava_Croft | not the dsp, but the cpu |
| 17:44.48 | kerio | meh |
| 17:45.04 | kerio | now, *that* shouldn't be in cssu :) |
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| 19:24.21 | _ade_ | freemangordon: ping |
| 19:25.16 | freemangordon | _ade_: pong |
| 19:25.40 | freemangordon | kerio: read the thread on TMO please |
| 19:26.23 | kerio | freemangordon: re:720p? |
| 19:26.51 | _ade_ | question: recently I did some bugfixing in the replacement clock and used some more meaningful variables. What would you see as a next step towards cssu? |
| 19:27.34 | kerio | _ade_: does it work kinda the same as the builtin clock? |
| 19:27.56 | _ade_ | it is almost identical... |
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| 19:28.14 | kerio | then cool |
| 19:28.27 | kerio | _freemangordon: your "read the thread on TMO" was re:720p, right? |
| 19:28.44 | _freemangordon | kerio: sorry, network problems |
| 19:28.51 | _freemangordon | [22:23] <freemangordon> no, re thumb |
| 19:29.01 | _freemangordon | _ade_: pong |
| 19:29.10 | kerio | oic |
| 19:29.11 | _ade_ | yes, still there... |
| 19:31.12 | kerio | _freemangordon: oh, so it goes through cssu-enabler again |
| 19:31.13 | kerio | i see |
| 19:31.24 | kerio | is it going to be regarded as another cssu "flavour"? |
| 19:31.32 | kerio | or is it still testing, just with more packages? |
| 19:31.39 | kerio | because i'm already on cssu-t |
| 19:32.03 | _freemangordon | just enable the damn repo and wait for maemo5 update |
| 19:32.17 | kerio | i won't :C |
| 19:32.23 | kerio | i still haven't decided |
| 19:32.32 | kerio | and i'm kinda short on internet :( |
| 19:32.43 | kerio | ...i suppose that i can just unpack my full backup though |
| 19:32.49 | kerio | decisions... |
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| 19:43.15 | _ade_ | _freemangordon: you noticed my question? |
| 19:47.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | _ade_: does the new clock fix any bug in stock implementation? |
| 19:47.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | _ade_: or does it add much needed new augmented functionality? |
| 19:48.10 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: opensourceness |
| 19:48.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | which other packages in system at large will depend on |
| 19:48.18 | kerio | not sure if it's that big of a deal though |
| 19:49.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it qualifies for an optional (and maybe alternative) pkg then, even if it's not 100% comprehensive replacement |
| 19:49.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah wait, we talked about that previously, didn't we? |
| 19:49.41 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: does it qualify as a proper replacement if it's fully, 100% compatible with the closed source one and has at least the same features? |
| 19:51.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure it qualifies for a proper replacement then, just not each available proper replacement qualifies automatically for inclusion into core cssu. For core cssu that gets forcefed to all cssu users it has to fix some severe bug or flaw |
| 19:51.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | FOSS is no such bug |
| 19:51.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather non-FOSS |
| 19:51.54 | kerio | :( |
| 19:52.04 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why do you hate opensource? |
| 19:52.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | why do you think such silly things about me? |
| 19:53.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: counter question: how's user experience improved by replacing one program with a 100% identical opensource program? |
| 19:53.22 | _freemangordon | _ade_: no :( |
| 19:53.47 | _ade_ | DotScrutinizer05: it does not fix bug, as I know of none... |
| 19:54.15 | _ade_ | Portrait mode is the main extra feature in the replacement clock |
| 19:54.35 | _freemangordon | _ade_: sorry, my inet connection constantly drops, will you repeat it |
| 19:54.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | so we rather like to not mess with it on a mandatory basis for all users, means it's not qualifying for core cssu, but sure you can add it to cssu optional packages |
| 19:54.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, that might already suffice |
| 19:55.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | (prtrait mode) |
| 19:55.12 | _freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: WTF man, that was discussed and decided. |
| 19:55.59 | _ade_ | _freemangordon: question repeated: recently I did some bugfixing in the replacement clock and used some more meaningful variables. What would you see as a next step towards cssu? |
| 19:56.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | freeooh? then I bet we came to same conclusion, as otherwise I would have recalled |
| 19:56.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | _freemangordon: ^^^ |
| 19:56.35 | _freemangordon | _ade_: is that commited in CSSU repo? |
| 19:56.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn what a new fashion is that now to start your nick with _ |
| 19:57.06 | _freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: well, if my memory serves me well, it was decidet adeclock to land in cssu-extras-to-be |
| 19:57.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 19:57.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly what I said above |
| 19:57.34 | _freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: my nick is already occupied |
| 19:57.55 | _ade_ | all is committed in the CSSU repo |
| 19:57.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I added "portrait support might already suffice for cssu core" |
| 19:58.03 | freemangordon | because of my connection being reset |
| 19:58.58 | freemangordon | _ade_: that should be enough for now, lets try to ping merlin1991 |
| 19:59.01 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ping |
| 19:59.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | anywaqy, if we already decided to get it to cssu extras, I'm absolutely fine with that |
| 20:02.19 | freemangordon | meh, both maintainers mia |
| 20:03.46 | freemangordon | _ade_: try to ping merlin1991 again, I am going on the vacation on Tuesday and won't be of much help. Though I will try to find him tomorrow |
| 20:04.59 | _ade_ | that's okay, will try to contact merlin1991 later if you cannot contact him. Happy holidays in advance ;-) |
| 20:05.09 | freemangordon | thanks |
| 20:11.17 | kerio | i say the next step is to change mediaplayer with openmediaplayer |
| 20:11.22 | kerio | or, rather, to install openmediaplayer as mediaplayer |
| 20:11.32 | kerio | portrait support and QT goodness |
| 20:13.45 | _ade_ | kerio: OMP is more complex and still heavily in development. So it is not a candidate at the moment |
| 20:13.53 | kerio | k :( |
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| 20:51.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you're sure we need to replace original mediaplayer? why? |
| 20:52.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | why can't user have both? |
| 20:53.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you still seem to miss the basic idea of CSSU not to force anything on users |
| 20:54.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're not the violent preacher that forces people to their luck |
| 20:54.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and cssu is not the alternative better OS, it's a way to deploy bug fixes |
| 20:55.40 | kerio | for instance, because i still haven't found a way to make the file manager open songs in OMP |
| 20:55.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | well then focus on THAT |
| 20:56.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's actually a simple to solve probelm |
| 20:56.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | look into mediaplayer.desktop and you'll probably understand |
| 20:58.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's rather insane an idea to force OMP on every cssu user just because you can't find a way to make filemanager use OMP by default |
| 21:01.53 | kerio | but it's neater! |
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| 21:05.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | then use it and be happy! don't try to run a crusade to make other users use it too |
| 21:05.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's definitely no known reason why we need to purge stock media player |
| 21:07.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | since everybody can run OMP whenever she likes, and hell you even can configure your system to use OMP as primary default for mp3 playback and still we don't need to purge stock mediaplayer |
| 21:09.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu is nobody's birthday party where you can decide what everybody incl you is doing. It's everybody's birthday party in a sense that every cssu user should be free to decide whether to use stock MP or OMP |
| 21:11.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | we'll purge any subsystem only when it does rogue to system at large, means there are bugs in that subsystem and we expect problems for other subsystems caused by that bug |
| 21:11.35 | kerio | well i had some problems with pr1.2's media player! |
| 21:11.47 | kerio | clearly it means that the stock mediaplayer is evil and must be purged |
| 21:12.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe we replace subsystems even when the bug impact is strictly local, if there's absolutely no way to have the better alternative installed concurrently |
| 21:12.10 | kerio | (is mediaplayer open source? and where would i find a changelog or a bug tracker for it?) |
| 21:12.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you're free to purge stock mediaplayer on *YOUR* system any time |
| 21:13.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | EOT |
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