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| 05:42.44 | LaoLang_cool | 20.2010.36-2maemo13 (09.03.2011) hildon-desktop Added zoom in/out support in hildon-desktop (Ctrl + Shift + s / f) |
| 05:42.50 | LaoLang_cool | What does it do? |
| 05:43.09 | LaoLang_cool | I press ctrl-shift-s when on desktop, no any effect |
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| 05:52.07 | LaoLang_cool | ok, in version T-maemo2, it was removed... |
| 06:04.44 | Sc0rpius | :) |
| 06:20.06 | LaoLang_cool | Is there a univerisal way to select text on the screen? |
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| 08:42.21 | luf | Hi, too busy last two days :( |
| 08:42.32 | luf | I created gitorious accoung. |
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| 09:59.24 | Estel_ | I would rather like to finally hear answer, if, following recent ideology, users of CSSU are soon to face regression, and lack of camera-ui in base CSSU set |
| 09:59.48 | Estel_ | witch camera-ui (obviously, I mean Nicolai's one) move to cssu-rewrite |
| 09:59.54 | Estel_ | or cssu-laternative |
| 09:59.57 | Estel_ | or whatever. |
| 10:00.56 | Estel_ | and if yes, what is going to remain in cssu base? after all, we can put 99% of CSSU content into "rewrites", alternatives, etc |
| 10:01.22 | Estel_ | I've asked this question 2 times already, now 3th one. Seems no one know? |
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| 10:19.29 | tadzik | any ideas what "operator name widget" actually is? It came with the latest CSSU, but I have no eye deer what it does. It appears in the settings |
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| 10:40.07 | Estel_ | tadzik, it allow You to receive cell broadcast messages |
| 10:40.09 | Estel_ | see google |
| 10:40.33 | Estel_ | You just set it up in settings, then, if You use 2G, after a while, You will have cell broadcast messages displayed next to operator name |
| 10:40.55 | Estel_ | in Poland it works, most of the times, as service that show ~location You're in |
| 10:41.00 | Estel_ | i.e. city, or street, sometimes |
| 10:41.04 | Estel_ | accuracy is low |
| 10:42.29 | Estel_ | ...because it doesn't traingulate, obviously, only displays data associated to broadcast cell You're actually connected in |
| 10:42.41 | Estel_ | s/broadcast/tower/ |
| 10:47.41 | tadzik | oh, cool |
| 10:49.09 | tadzik | thanks Estel_ |
| 10:49.42 | LaoLang_cool | Why doesn't nokia declose the source of maemo?? |
| 10:50.40 | NIN101 | third party components they don't have the rights for. |
| 10:50.44 | tadzik | I do not know, but I suspect they might feel uneasy about giving away for free something they've put some serious money in |
| 10:51.11 | NIN101 | (and the source) |
| 10:51.52 | Estel_ | np tadzik :) |
| 10:52.38 | Estel_ | NIN101, true, but there are also many things owned just by Nokia |
| 10:52.54 | Estel_ | they fatc is, that they stupid managers think "changing sourcer code require work form our workers, even minimal" |
| 10:53.04 | Estel_ | work = money for work |
| 10:53.13 | Estel_ | = they preffer to keep it in closed vault forever |
| 10:53.32 | Estel_ | screw them, we're rewriting it anyway, they can take it to grave with them |
| 10:54.08 | NIN101 | won't be possible to rewrite everything. |
| 10:54.17 | Estel_ | Well all know that long-term - i.e. years - future lies in things liek Mer. I just hope for less dumb UI than Nemo (as it's now) |
| 10:54.30 | Estel_ | NIN101, some time ago, You would say "getting rid of bme is unfeasible" |
| 10:54.38 | Estel_ | now Pali almsot finished required modules, with userland coming |
| 10:54.51 | LaoLang_cool | Cool! |
| 10:54.59 | Estel_ | of course I agree, not *feasible* to RE some hardware parts (possible, but not feasible) |
| 10:55.17 | Estel_ | so we will probably end up in having comfortable stack with non-irritating blobs |
| 10:55.30 | Estel_ | and later, systems like Mer, +, maybe, totally open devices |
| 10:55.36 | Estel_ | done RIGHT way, not like openmoko |
| 10:55.44 | tadzik | Estel_: should I set some particular cell broadcast channel for this to work? The default 50 doesn't seem to receive anything |
| 10:55.57 | Estel_ | tadzik, I also though like that - just keep it at 50 |
| 10:55.59 | Estel_ | and leave for while |
| 10:56.08 | Estel_ | in Poland, only channel used is 50 anyway :P |
| 10:56.11 | Estel_ | BTW, it depends on operator |
| 10:56.15 | LaoLang_cool | How to write apps for maemo? I don't know programming at all, can I start to learn C from writing simplest apps for maemo? |
| 10:56.21 | Estel_ | it's possible - but, highly unlikely - that your particular one doesn't send any data |
| 10:56.32 | tadzik | I'm using Play |
| 10:56.34 | Estel_ | LaoLang_cool, You can, but You would like to start QT, probably |
| 10:56.37 | tadzik | I'll just be patient than I guess |
| 10:56.51 | Estel_ | tadzik, in many countries, things like closer health care, hotyels, etc are broadcast, on different channels |
| 10:56.57 | NIN101 | Qt is just a framework, not a programming language, so it's better to know C++ first before starting with Qt (or python, but...) |
| 10:56.59 | Estel_ | Polish operators stick to street or city, most of the times |
| 10:57.03 | tadzik | So Qt is the way to go these days, eh? I'm apparently the only person on earth that does prefer Gtk :) |
| 10:57.03 | LaoLang_cool | Will it take more battery if I turn on the operator name widget? |
| 10:57.11 | tadzik | I see |
| 10:57.15 | Estel_ | as for Play, it's complicated,a s they use both own and 3rd party cell towers |
| 10:57.20 | tadzik | right |
| 10:57.24 | Estel_ | no Idea what they broadcast on own towers |
| 10:57.33 | NIN101 | also possible to use GTK on N900 if you prefer that. |
| 10:57.34 | Estel_ | just leave it on channel 50, and check after 5 minutes or so |
| 10:57.39 | Estel_ | it should start receiving data |
| 10:57.54 | Estel_ | also, if You've just updated to cssu, reboot - no idea if it's related... |
| 10:57.54 | tadzik | yeah, but the whole mobile world seems to be moving to Qt anyway, so resistance is futile ;) |
| 10:58.10 | Estel_ | LaoLang_cool, no, it's battery neutral |
| 10:58.10 | tadzik | nah, I updated yesterday or so and it rebooted automagically |
| 10:58.29 | Estel_ | tadzik, for many things ir preffer GTK too |
| 10:58.34 | Estel_ | and, honestly, both things are ok |
| 10:58.41 | Estel_ | it "seems" that QT may be easier to learn for newbies |
| 10:58.55 | tadzik | I guess it's probably not the thing between Gtk and Qt, but just the fact that I don't particularly like programming in C++ |
| 10:59.00 | NIN101 | it's Qt not QT :P |
| 10:59.14 | Estel_ | sorry, can't be bothered to care :( |
| 10:59.23 | Estel_ | especially, that Nokia employes write "QT5" |
| 10:59.25 | Estel_ | ;P |
| 10:59.38 | LaoLang_cool | :) |
| 10:59.54 | Estel_ | tadzik, so what languages do You like? |
| 11:00.02 | Estel_ | C++ sounds like base of almost everything ;) |
| 11:00.27 | Estel_ | OTOH, Python is awesome |
| 11:00.45 | tadzik | call me crazy, but I really prefer Java to C++. As a language purely, not as a platform. I really like Go, and I still like pure C from time to time |
| 11:00.50 | tadzik | and I make my living on Perl and Perl 6 :) |
| 11:01.30 | Estel_ | I see |
| 11:01.40 | Estel_ | well, java isn't bad as per see, just platform is terrible, thanks to sun, and now, oracle |
| 11:01.45 | tadzik | right |
| 11:02.10 | Estel_ | tadzik, Perl, heh. like it, but no matter, what I can't make infobot running from ym wrt54GL with perl installed :P |
| 11:02.18 | tadzik | the language itself is more like C++ should look like, imho. In C++ C tends to leak out here and there making it PITA most of the time |
| 11:02.22 | Estel_ | kinda unrelated, just anegdote |
| 11:02.35 | Estel_ | yea, legacy |
| 11:03.03 | Estel_ | BTW, tadzik if You're programmer, start writing something for N900, at once! :P |
| 11:03.14 | Estel_ | seriously though, codijng compewtition is going to start in few days and last for 3 months |
| 11:03.20 | Estel_ | You could get N950 and N9 as a prize |
| 11:03.31 | tadzik | I have to sort out the university crap for now :) |
| 11:03.42 | Estel_ | if You would manage to write sometihng interesting OR deo a significant, major update to existing program |
| 11:03.43 | tadzik | teh exams. They're coming. |
| 11:03.47 | Estel_ | I see |
| 11:03.55 | Estel_ | well, CC runs for whole summer and a little more |
| 11:04.02 | Estel_ | i.e. 3 months including voting period |
| 11:04.07 | Estel_ | (so 3 months without week or two) |
| 11:04.26 | tadzik | I started writing some Todo app in Vala some time ago, but I couldn't install scratchbox when I tried, so I postponed the whole thing for "later" |
| 11:04.36 | Estel_ | I see |
| 11:04.38 | tadzik | so it's like GSoC |
| 11:04.51 | tadzik | oh, I like Vala too, while we're at languages :) |
| 11:04.51 | LaoLang_cool | calendar in maemo sucks... |
| 11:04.59 | tadzik | it's not _that_ bad |
| 11:05.11 | tadzik | it's merely LTA imho |
| 11:05.41 | Estel_ | all after all |
| 11:05.51 | Estel_ | Although, we have also some unmaintaned programs that begs for update |
| 11:05.55 | Estel_ | for example, TXPAD |
| 11:05.56 | tadzik | such as? |
| 11:06.07 | Estel_ | almsot feature complete thing that would kick leafpad out of device |
| 11:06.14 | Estel_ | i.e. text editor with syntax highlighting |
| 11:06.20 | tadzik | I see |
| 11:06.20 | Estel_ | much like Notepad++ on desktops |
| 11:06.23 | LaoLang_cool | tadzik, it's so bad.. |
| 11:06.27 | Estel_ | BUT,, using all N900 features |
| 11:06.28 | tadzik | I wrote some Perl using vim on my n900 ;) |
| 11:06.35 | Estel_ | like proximity sensor itp |
| 11:06.45 | Estel_ | for working voerlays, i.e. scrolling, or just highlighting |
| 11:06.45 | tadzik | but I don't really consider N900 as a coding machine |
| 11:06.50 | Estel_ | BUT, it's hurt by being ufinished |
| 11:07.00 | tadzik | right |
| 11:07.04 | Estel_ | tadzik, hehe, soemtimes, amy be hard, although there are people writing pourely on n900 |
| 11:07.18 | tadzik | I think the Maemo UI is somehow wasting a potential that lies in a touchscreen device |
| 11:07.31 | Estel_ | (as for TxPad, for example, it doesn't save font size on exit - sounds like 5 minute fix for someone knowledgeable) |
| 11:07.42 | Estel_ | (and, using hardware volume buttons, instead of working, make it segfault) |
| 11:07.47 | Estel_ | or Filebox |
| 11:07.57 | Estel_ | only sane GUi file manager |
| 11:07.59 | tadzik | for example, we're to press this tiny bar on top of the screen, and I sometimes try 3 times or more to click it. We have gestures, we could just "pull" it down with a swipe |
| 11:08.13 | Estel_ | painfully unfinished, as cepi perez switched to Meego, and latter harmattan |
| 11:08.25 | Estel_ | tadzik, hm |
| 11:08.32 | Estel_ | why not |
| 11:09.11 | tadzik | think the default picture manager: there you swipe your finger to look at the next picture |
| 11:09.26 | tadzik | imagine that you'd have to press some tiny button on the bottom. Terrible/!/ |
| 11:10.24 | tadzik | maybe some daemon reacting for gestures would be a nice thing to have |
| 11:10.35 | tadzik | but I'd imagine it as something being deeply integrated with the UI |
| 11:11.17 | tadzik | but that may be dream-zone, mostly ;) |
| 11:12.59 | Estel_ | write a daemon simualting multi-touch via calculating touch vectors ;) |
| 11:13.11 | tadzik | ha :) |
| 11:13.25 | Estel_ | seriously though, we know that multitouch is possible on resistive screens, and, if coded properly, is better than any capacitive shit |
| 11:13.30 | tadzik | oh, another thing that drives me nuts |
| 11:13.36 | tadzik | this "hold your finger" pop-up menu |
| 11:13.40 | Estel_ | :) |
| 11:13.48 | Estel_ | ssounds like thing for CSSU |
| 11:13.51 | tadzik | when I move my finger to see what's written on the buttons, it disappears |
| 11:14.00 | tadzik | and makes me do "aaaargh" sounds |
| 11:14.02 | Estel_ | You could work with arcean, he manages hildon-deskop in CSSU, and is Polish guy too |
| 11:14.20 | Estel_ | haha, I mastered moving it the way it don't dissapear,... but yes, it's lovely |
| 11:14.24 | Estel_ | it's meant for stylus, rather |
| 11:14.27 | tadzik | right |
| 11:14.37 | Estel_ | some people, hoever, accidentaly hit "delete" |
| 11:14.38 | tadzik | it could just stay on top until you tap elsewhere |
| 11:14.42 | tadzik | as it blurs the screen anyway, iirc |
| 11:14.52 | tadzik | yeah, bless the "are you sure" screen |
| 11:14.55 | Estel_ | jnnot everywhere |
| 11:14.58 | Estel_ | msot of the time it doesn't |
| 11:15.28 | tadzik | I wonder how many things I've deleted not knowing about it |
| 11:15.45 | tadzik | anyway, let me get rid of my exams and I'll try to dive into this and do something about this pop-up |
| 11:15.59 | tadzik | we have that thing open-source, right? |
| 11:16.43 | tadzik | (ftr, Opera Mobile does that just right, the popup menu) |
| 11:22.04 | LaoLang_cool | vim is good |
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| 12:46.23 | LaoLang_cool | when rotation the desktop, screen will be blank for 1 second, can it be avoided? |
| 12:46.58 | tadzik | there's an option for rotating around a different axis |
| 12:47.57 | tadzik | but even then it blinks, just for a shorter while |
| 13:21.04 | Estel_ | If You set everything relating rotation to 0, it doesn't |
| 13:21.15 | Estel_ | I just left it without any rotating animation, works well |
| 13:21.27 | Estel_ | i.e. 0 angle, 0 time, etc |
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| 14:17.18 | Jaffa | Af'noon, all. I see a purple high;ight, but have been away all week and forgot to /quit. |
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| 14:57.28 | luf | I have a question abour curl for cssu. |
| 14:57.47 | luf | May I add to kerberos and ldap libraries or not? |
| 14:58.03 | luf | ldap: libsasl2-2 libldap-2.4-2 |
| 15:01.05 | luf | krb: libkrb53 libcomerr2 libkeyutils1 |
| 15:12.40 | luf | May I add to libcurl3 dependecy for kerberos and ldap libraries or not? |
| 15:13.24 | luf | merlin1991: ping |
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| 15:46.02 | Estel_ | luf, it may be hard to reach people during weekend |
| 15:46.12 | Estel_ | dong get discouraged, if you can't reach them now |
| 15:46.13 | Estel_ | BTW |
| 15:46.34 | Estel_ | luf, would You find benefits in being available 24/7 on #maemo irc? |
| 15:46.44 | Estel_ | or maybe You're using proxy bouncers already? |
| 15:49.20 | luf | Estel_: I just tried it. Sometimes it's hard to me to be online during working days. |
| 15:49.50 | luf | Estel_: No I don't use proxy bouncers. |
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| 15:53.42 | Estel_ | luf, yea, and proxy bouncer relays m,essage to Yuo as soon as you connect |
| 15:53.50 | Estel_ | it's logged in your behalf |
| 15:53.52 | Estel_ | as You |
| 15:54.17 | Estel_ | if You would find something like that helpful for Yuor contributions to Maemo, I can provide such service for You |
| 15:54.32 | Estel_ | (as for every Maemo developer, that would find it beneficial for her/his work on Maemo) |
| 15:54.48 | Estel_ | bandwidth usage is, generally, non-existrent (in practice) |
| 15:55.32 | Estel_ | I've been using something like that before, to helm me fulfill my councilor duties but hosted by unreliable person, that revoked it. As effect, i've set up my own one on my access point |
| 15:55.52 | Estel_ | I'm not coder - at least not serious one - so it's another small thing I can do to participate, even by smallest factor, in development :) |
| 16:04.24 | luf | Estel_: Thank you for the offer. I don't see it as necessery for me now. |
| 16:04.49 | luf | Estel_: I'm quite fine with client + searchable logs. |
| 16:05.52 | luf | who |
| 16:06.43 | Estel_ | ok :) |
| 16:08.00 | luf | Sc0rpius: to your question from monday about curl. I compiled it and it's in extras-devel |
| 16:11.24 | luf | Sc0rpius: http://maemo.org/packages/view/curl/ |
| 16:40.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | luf: I could offer bouncer service to you as well, I'm usually not concerned about anybody sharing my box, unless (s)he turns out to be an unreliable bitching offensive individual with quite some potential to become a security risk for my box |
| 16:40.35 | Raimu | This sounds like a suspiciously specific description. |
| 16:46.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | luf: anyway regarding bouncer service I wouldn't recommend to you to trust in any bouncer admin who 4 weeks ago didn't have an idea about existence of such things like IRC bouncers |
| 16:47.10 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, can't You write single line of text without Your paranoia about me included? You revoked Your promise, well your choice. But accusing someone about being security risk? Really, it's miserably pathetic. |
| 16:47.53 | Estel_ | luf is grown up, he will know what to do. not to mention that he already said - he *don't* need such services now. |
| 16:57.38 | Sc0rpius | was I asking questions about curl? I don't remember |
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| 17:11.12 | luf | Sc0rpius: yes you did :) |
| 17:12.01 | luf | But not this Monday. It was several weeks ago. |
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| 17:22.27 | Sc0rpius | I don't think so, that's weird. I use wget though, but curl is nice for other protocols |
| 17:22.35 | Sc0rpius | but maybe it was somebody with a similar nickname |
| 17:32.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | no similar nicks found |
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| 19:38.38 | freemangordon | merlin1991: kernel-cssu is in t-thumb repo |
| 19:39.14 | freemangordon | you told me h-d is nerwer in -testing, why is that? |
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| 19:50.16 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: h-h |
| 19:51.16 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: you didn't push the mp into the thumb repo |
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| 20:04.24 | freemangordon | aah, I was under the impression you will do it |
| 20:04.29 | freemangordon | ok, going to push it |
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| 22:15.10 | Estel_ | freemangordon, You've opened thumb season. Whats now, for "normal" testers like me? |
| 22:15.24 | Estel_ | i.e. should we get involved now, or not yet? |
| 23:10.02 | freemangordon | Estel_: seems -mp package is missing, otherwise it should be ready for "normal" testers |
| 23:10.13 | freemangordon | will try to upload it tomorrow |
| 23:10.23 | Estel_ | OK |
| 23:34.11 | merlin1991 | doc is going to love this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220340&postcount=703 |
| 23:39.33 | freemangordon | merlin1991: yeah |
| 23:52.09 | Estel_ | no problem, I can ask when busybox-power will be included in CSSU |
| 23:52.23 | Estel_ | he will get so berseker, that he wont even notice other posts |
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