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15:18.34freemangordonDocScrutinizer, dosfslabel doe not work :D
15:18.42freemangordons/do/does/
15:19.13freemangordons/doessfslabel doe/dosfslabel does/
15:19.29freemangordonwhatever, but vfat label remains the same
15:19.38DocScrutinizerhmm
15:19.58freemangordonyep, i've checked it by using blkid -c /dev/null ;)
15:20.40DocScrutinizerI'd rather check it by strace dosfslable
15:20.58freemangordonseems like mtools are used by purpose
15:21.26DocScrutinizerafter all that's a real bug then, and I'd wonder how dosfslabel made it on fremantle stock
15:21.40DocScrutinizermtools are severely fscked
15:21.44DocScrutinizerby design
15:21.47freemangordonDocScrutinizer, can you do that (to check with strace)
15:22.10freemangordonwel,, could be, but at least mlabel works
15:22.33freemangordonit might be that dosfslabel does not work on mounted volume
15:22.48DocScrutinizerwhile I don't think we can fix mtools design madness, we still can fix a bug in a part of stock fremantle, which dosfslabel obviously is then
15:23.20DocScrutinizernothing should work on mounted volumes, it's BAD[TM]
15:24.38DocScrutinizerand using mtools means exploiting one bug (mtools) to make another bug (ke-recv and how label change is done) work
15:24.55DocScrutinizerif your assumtion is correct
15:26.18DocScrutinizerwe should fix ke-recv label change sequence&method to make it work with "perfectly sane" dosfslabel, then
15:27.19DocScrutinizerI guess checking if "<freemangordon> it might be that dosfslabel does not work on mounted volume" is correct is just simple enough, uh?
15:29.17DocScrutinizernota bene mtools friggin config file doesn't work either, for anything but a one-partitons vfat uSD and a standard partitioned eMMC, so using it is no option at all
15:29.24DocScrutinizerwithout fixing that either
15:29.47DocScrutinizerso I'd prefer to "fix" whatever sane-by-design stuff rather than mtools
15:33.54freemangordonDocScrutinizer, mtools
15:34.25freemangordonmtools mmc-rename works pretty well for my 3 partitions sdcard
15:35.00freemangordonhowever, iw will try to unmount vfat partition to check if dosfslabel works
15:35.33DocScrutinizeroooh c'mon
15:35.36DocScrutinizerdrive a: file="/dev/mmcblk0"
15:35.38DocScrutinizerdrive b: file="/dev/mmcblk0p1"
15:35.39DocScrutinizerdrive c: file="/dev/mmcblk0p3"
15:35.46freemangordonI know :)
15:36.05freemangordonyep, partition should be unmounted
15:36.53DocScrutinizerbest you can get from mtools is it fails on mmcblkNp2
15:37.18DocScrutinizerworst, it renames a ext3 partition or another partition
15:37.58freemangordonuh, no, dosfslable does not rename even unmounted volume :(
15:37.58DocScrutinizerand drive a: WTF - super floppy?!
15:39.50freemangordonWTF? dosfslabel reports new label, while blkid reports old ?!?
15:40.41DocScrutinizerhow about that: ;-P we install and invoke cfdisk in mmc-rename.sh, as it's obviously a way to complex and risky task for HFM to relabel partitions
15:41.23DocScrutinizer<PROTECTED>
15:44.08DocScrutinizernot that I ever really used HFM for anything, but I swear I'd never trust it on formatting and labeling partitions, and for all I know all this also never really worked decently
15:44.34freemangordonhmm, seems dosfslabel caches too
15:45.03DocScrutinizerfigure: you inserted a uSD with 3 ext3 partitions, friggin HFM detects it as superfloppy. Relabel it -> SCREWED
15:45.40freemangordonno way, it is ke-recv who detects drive layout based on what HAL knows
15:46.10DocScrutinizerwhatever it is, it's brainfsckd
15:46.16DocScrutinizeralways been
15:46.41DocScrutinizerI'd not trust it, nor bother to fix it after Nokia and 2 years field didn't
15:47.35DocScrutinizerthe idea to invoke a proper tool whenever mmc-(format|rename).sh gets called, has some special charme and is tempting
15:48.01freemangordonWTF? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503228
15:48.04povbotBug 503228: was not found.
15:48.14DocScrutinizerquote plrease
15:48.59freemangordonBug 503228 - dosfslabel does not set volume label in the right place
15:48.59povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/503228 was not found.
15:49.10freemangordonpovbot, shut up
15:49.11povbotfreemangordon: Error: "shut" is not a valid command.
15:49.43freemangordonFixed in dosfstools-3.0.9-2.fc14 in rawhide.
15:50.15DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# dosfslabel --version
15:50.16DocScrutinizerdosfslabel 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
15:50.27DocScrutinizerBWAHAHAHA
15:50.28freemangordonnice :D
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15:51.23DocScrutinizerticket: get recent, supposedly bugfixed, dosfslabel version
15:51.25freemangordonPali, after all it seems we should upgarde dosfstools :)
15:51.54DocScrutinizermaximum in line with CSSU idea
15:52.19freemangordonlemme check which version is in ubuntu 10.04
15:52.54freemangordondosfslabel 3.0.7, 24 Dec 2009, FAT32, LFN
15:53.03DocScrutinizerdang, this thing must origin back to maemo0.8
15:53.16DocScrutinizerand never seen an update since
15:54.12DocScrutinizerno friggin dosfslabel on my box XP
15:55.23freemangordonhttp://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/d/dosfstools/
15:55.43freemangordonHAHAHAHA
15:55.51freemangordonnice. ain't
15:57.05DocScrutinizerdang, cfdisk only shows labels, doesn't edit them
15:59.22DocScrutinizer*COUGH* do less /etc/mtools.conf on your desktop
16:00.08freemangordondpkg-deb: building package `dosfstools' in `../dosfstools_3.0.7-1_armel.deb'.
16:00.20freemangordonlets try it on my devel device
16:00.46DocScrutinizerfriggin shit, there has to be a sane way at par with mkfs.vfat and tune2fs, to *change* labels on vfat
16:01.32DocScrutinizeruse dd? >;-P
16:01.50freemangordonyeah
16:01.59freemangordonwhy not hex editor :D
16:02.04DocScrutinizersure
16:02.10DocScrutinizersed shall do that
16:02.30DocScrutinizersince sed is supposed to work on *any* source
16:03.02DocScrutinizereven source that consists of 256k/"line"
16:03.20DocScrutinizersome unique property it shares only with vi afaik
16:06.16DocScrutinizerand a proper dd (ot the crippled messybox crap) is supposed to cut an arbitrary block of arbitrary length and pos out of any source, and insert it to another destination
16:06.57DocScrutinizerbut - as said befor...
16:07.01DocScrutinizerfriggin shit, there has to be a sane way at par with mkfs.vfat and tune2fs, to *change* labels on vfat
16:07.56DocScrutinizerit can't be that mtools is the supposed and recommended way to deal with uSD on desktop linux these days
16:09.00DocScrutinizermkfs.vfat knows how to set labels. Alas it can't do that without same time formatting the whole partition
16:10.33DocScrutinizerI'd rather strip down mkfs.vfat to only handle and write label, rather than bother with friggin mtools with its mindboggling prone-to-fail /etc/mtools.conf
16:11.16DocScrutinizeragain, get a laugh, do 'less /etc/mtools.conf' on your desktop PC!
16:11.43DocScrutinizerteaser:
16:11.46DocScrutinizer#dosemu hdimage
16:11.48DocScrutinizerdrive n: file="/var/lib/dosemu/hdimage.first" MTOOLS_SKIP_CHECK=1 MTOOLS_LOWER_CASE=1 MTOOLS_NO_VFAT=1 partition=1 offset=128
16:12.53DocScrutinizerSUUUURE, I know I need driveletter (WAAAAH!!!) n: to access dosemu image
16:13.47freemangordonDocScrutinizer, take it easy, I was able to build dosfstools from ubuntu 11.10, going to test them now
16:14.01DocScrutinizeryo da man!
16:14.21DocScrutinizer<3
16:17.27DocScrutinizerI might ask my friend werner almesberger, author of fsck.vfat, what's the contemporary tool to mess with dos partitions' properties
16:18.27Palimaemo gitorious sources: https://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/dosfstools
16:19.00freemangordonPali, it is of no use, i've just compiled ubuntu upstream, so far seems ok
16:19.04freemangordon11.10
16:19.25freemangordoncompiled as in made a .deb
16:19.34freemangordondosfstools_3.0.12-1ubuntu1_armel.deb
16:20.01freemangordongive me some 10 minutes to upgrade my devel device to lates cssu and to test it
16:20.40freemangordonbtw in the meantime you can ask merlin1991 how the hell would that package be called for inclusion in CSSU
16:23.11DocScrutinizerLOL
16:23.53freemangordondosfstools_3.0.12-1ubuntu1+0cssu0 ?
16:25.13DocScrutinizerprolly
16:25.40freemangordonmerlin1991 ^^^
16:25.41DocScrutinizertbh I don't give a flies' shit
16:26.02merlin1991freemangordon: why use the ubuntu source as base?
16:26.13merlin1991if you're upgrading the package why don't we simply go upstream?
16:26.17freemangordonbecause we're debian
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16:26.25merlin1991and?
16:26.33freemangordoni don't want to bother debianizing it
16:26.33DocScrutinizer[2012-04-12 17:50:14] <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# dosfslabel --version
16:26.34DocScrutinizer[2012-04-12 17:50:14] <DocScrutinizer> dosfslabel 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
16:26.36DocScrutinizer[2012-04-12 17:50:27] <DocScrutinizer> BWAHAHAHA
16:26.37DocScrutinizer[
16:26.39merlin1991afaik it's upstream -> debian -> ubntu
16:26.49merlin1991and where in upstream -> debian -> maemo
16:26.57merlin1991so either pick from debian or upstream :D
16:27.16DocScrutinizeruh, nm
16:27.20freemangordonso? which package to use then, point me to the right source
16:27.22merlin1991freemangordon: that's something you've got maintainers for ;)
16:28.08freemangordonsure, tell me which package to use
16:30.30merlin1991I'd prefer to use the upstream source
16:31.26freemangordonwhy? are you sure it is bugfree?
16:31.43merlin1991upstream surely has  a "stable" releaase
16:31.48merlin1991arf typos ftw
16:32.15freemangordonwell, i told you , tpoint me to the source code i should use and i will package it
16:32.41merlin1991http://www.daniel-baumann.ch/software/dosfstools/
16:33.44freemangordonok, renaming with ubuntu dosfstools works
16:33.51freemangordonlets try upstream
16:34.14freemangordonhmm, upstream version is 3.0.12
16:34.42freemangordonthe same as in ubuntu
16:39.27freemangordonmerlin1991, actually ubuntu 11.10 contains a patch which is not upstream :P
16:39.33freemangordonhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dosfstools/+bug/794943
16:40.10merlin1991:/
16:41.05freemangordonor it is upstream, let me clone the upstream repo and check
16:44.12freemangordonno, it is not, the last upstream commit is on 07.06.2011
16:46.29freemangordonmerlin1991 ^^^
16:46.36freemangordonnow again, which version?
16:46.43merlin1991hm
16:47.03merlin1991technically we should pick upstream and apply the patch ourselves
16:47.28freemangordonubuntu package does exactly that
16:47.52freemangordonit has upstream tar.gz and a diff file
16:47.58freemangordondiff.gz
16:48.50merlin1991well I bet fedore does it aswell
16:48.56merlin1991*fedora*
16:49.13freemangordondid you look at the bug report?
16:49.23freemangordonthe patch is backported from fedora
16:49.33freemangordonwell, "backported"
16:49.47merlin1991:D
16:50.51freemangordonmerlin1991, waiting for your decision
16:51.10merlin1991I'd grab upstream and add the patch on top in our "own" packaging
16:51.22merlin1991but if you want to have it done now take the ubuntu sources
16:51.45freemangordonbut of course, ubuntu packaging does not work in SB
16:52.01merlin1991well then we have to package it anyway :D
16:52.05merlin1991--> upstream + patch :D
16:52.27freemangordonwhich i've already done, but using ubuntu's changelog
16:52.43freemangordonand rules and control from maemo dosfstools
16:52.53merlin1991then just make a frech changelog :D
16:53.04freemangordonEURECA
16:53.06merlin1991with 2 entries, one for the upstream release and one for the applied patch
16:53.20freemangordonok
16:54.50freemangordonmerlin1991, you could create dosfstools in CSSU
16:54.55freemangordonin the meantime
16:55.45merlin1991bah forgot my pw :/
16:56.19merlin1991or rather I'm not sure which one applies :D
16:57.50merlin1991oh ffs I hate windows
16:57.56freemangordonmerlin1991, i will keep debian/changelog, will just edit the last entry to be 3.0.12+0cssu0
16:58.16merlin1991can't even mount my other drive and check my encrypted pass file due to ntfs security
16:58.18merlin1991fooooooo
16:58.23merlin1991err fuuuuuuuuuuuu ofc :D
16:58.42freemangordonwow, thats GPL3
16:58.49freemangordonany problem with that?
16:59.26merlin1991is the package gpl3 or only the ubuntu packaging ?
16:59.54freemangordonupstream is GPL3
17:00.07merlin1991well we don't violate it so we can use it
17:00.14freemangordon:D
17:00.14merlin1991though I personally disike gpl3
17:00.30merlin1991btw how's the package called in the control file?
17:00.39merlin1991(the source package)
17:00.59freemangordonwhich one? maemo or ubuntu
17:01.03merlin1991maemo
17:01.26freemangordonsource: dosfstools
17:01.41DocScrutinizeryou guys are awesome
17:01.41freemangordonpackage: dosfstools
17:01.48freemangordonpackage: dosfstools-dbg
17:01.56merlin1991https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/dosfstools
17:01.59merlin1991DocScrutinizer: how come?
17:02.04freemangordongreat
17:02.19DocScrutinizerjust saying. I love the way things prgressed in last 3h
17:02.20freemangordonhmm. after all I will purge the control file
17:02.33freemangordonoops, not control file
17:02.38freemangordonchangelog file
17:02.48merlin1991DocScrutinizer: I'm still not sure if you're beeing sarcastic there :D
17:02.56DocScrutinizermot at all
17:02.58DocScrutinizernot*
17:03.02merlin1991arf why is being hardwired to beeing in my brain :/
17:29.45freemangordonmerlin1991, CSSU package names should use -Xcssu-Y, not +Xcssu-Y otherwise dpkg-buildpackage does not produce .diff.tar.gz file
17:30.06freemangordons/-Xcssu-Y, not +Xcssu-Y/-XcssuY, not +XcssuY/
17:30.30merlin1991freemangordon: 90% of our packages are "native" anyway so we don't get diff.tar.gz for them in any case
17:30.53freemangordonwell dosfstool is from the remaining 10%
17:30.58merlin1991yea sure
17:32.25merlin1991tbh I'm not sure if we should adopt a -x naming scheme
17:32.42merlin1991nokia deliberatly broke it by adding +0m5 to all packageas
17:32.50merlin1991s/packageas/packages/
17:39.45freemangordondosfstools_3.0.12-0cssu0 pushed on gitorious and uploaded in -devel repo :P
17:40.38freemangordonmerlin1991 ^^^
17:45.00freemangordondaamn
17:45.02freemangordondpkg - warning: downgrading dosfstools from 1:2.11maemo8-2+0m5 to 3.0.12-0cssu0.
17:45.38freemangordonmerlin1991, fix that for me please, i am not sure I can do it properly :(
17:45.59merlin1991that's easy
17:46.06merlin1991add the epoch to the front of the version
17:46.14merlin1991--> 1:3.0.12-0cssu0
18:01.01freemangordonFUUUK, seems this dosfslabel has bugs too
18:01.23freemangordonit does not update root directory label, only bootsector :(
18:24.12merlin1991dang 5 hours of straigt coding and I'm tired as if im awake for 24 hours
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19:40.00DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: I'd think such essential fuckups wouldn't go unnoticed for a pkg like dosfslabel?
19:41.41DocScrutinizeranyway javispedro pointed to mlabel -i <phy-dev-name> or sth, that allegedly doesn't need this friggin mtools.conf
19:41.59DocScrutinizerlemme check if our mlabel even knows this option
19:45.37DocScrutinizermeh, of course not
19:46.05DocScrutinizer>>The drive letter : (colon) has a special meaning. It is used to access image files which are directly specified on the command line using the `-i' options.
19:46.16DocScrutinizer>>mcopy -i my-image-file.bin ::file1 ::file2
19:46.34DocScrutinizer>>You can also supply an offset within the image file by including `@@'OFFSET into the file name
19:46.47DocScrutinizer>>mcopy -i my-image-file.bin@@1M ::file1 ::file2
19:47.40DocScrutinizerpukes a little
19:54.59DocScrutinizer>> The syntax described herein is new for version `mtools-3.0'. The old line-oriented syntax is still supported. Each line beginning with a single letter is considered to be a drive description using the old syntax. Old style and new style drive sections may be mixed within the same configuration file, in order to make upgrading easier. Support for the old syntax will be phased out eventually, and in order to discourage its use, I
19:55.00DocScrutinizerpurposefully omit its description here
19:55.17DocScrutinizerHAHA, KTHNXBY
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19:56.41tadzikhello there
19:58.50tadzikis there a way to install cssu from command-line somehow? My patience is nothing compared to glacial slowness of the package manager, and I don't believe it works at all
20:00.20tadzikokay, I guess nagging you guys on IRC did help it a bit :)
20:00.35Siceloit is recommended to always use the package manager
20:00.43tadzikI see
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20:01.51trumeeMohammadAG: ping
20:01.52DocScrutinizerthere's for sure a way, but it's not documented and thus not supported
20:01.57int_uaanyone with uSD present?
20:01.58tadzikright
20:02.16DocScrutinizerint_ua: ol
20:02.18tadzikhtop seems to be convinced that something is working
20:02.29int_uaI have a reproducible crash of dbus-vfs-daemon
20:02.46DocScrutinizertadzik: what's wrong?
20:03.06DocScrutinizerint_ua: talk to freemangordon / pali
20:03.20DocScrutinizeriirc they messed with this system a lot last few days
20:03.36int_uaDocScrutinizer: $ sudo umount /dev/mmcblk1p1 ; sudo mount -o ro /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmс1
20:03.36tadzikDocScrutinizer: I hope nothing, it's just that the app manager seems to do nothing at all
20:04.02tadzik. o O ( maybe it just finished )
20:04.22DocScrutinizermaybe :-D
20:04.27tadzikwas it supposed to install just one app?
20:04.32DocScrutinizeryep
20:04.40tadzikI saw apt-get process working after that so I thought it's still doing something
20:04.55DocScrutinizersee instructions please
20:05.01tadzikokay, there's Community SSU in the menu
20:05.12DocScrutinizerclick it
20:05.13tadzikI'm looking at them, but they only say "Once this is completed"
20:05.25tadzikand it also told about "lots of popups", so I waited :)
20:05.34tadzikokay, it's working visibly now :)
20:05.47tadzikthanks for a hand
20:06.14DocScrutinizertadzik: you need to read instruction like it was a chronological sequence of events
20:06.17DocScrutinizer;-P
20:06.24tadzikyeah, I understand it well :)
20:06.34tadzikI just have, well, mixed feeling about the application manager
20:06.48DocScrutinizerwe all have
20:07.02tadzikI can imagine
20:07.03DocScrutinizerthere are reasons we use it nevertheless
20:07.09tadzikright
20:07.25DocScrutinizerand on the bright side CSSU comes with a somewhat fixed version
20:07.30tadzikyay
20:07.40tadzikI've been using the Faster Application Manager for a while now
20:07.57DocScrutinizerot that this would make the pile of sh* any more bearable ;-)
20:08.07tadzik:>
20:08.15DocScrutinizernot*
20:08.47int_uas/dbus-vfs/gnome-vfs/
20:08.56DocScrutinizerint_ua: yeah
20:09.17DocScrutinizerint_ua: iirc freemangordon yesterday claimed he has a bugfixed version
20:09.40DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: that's why I'm reluctant to look into your issue
20:09.54DocScrutinizers/freemangordon/int_ua/
20:10.31int_uashould I add a new post on the forum? I'm running out of battery, half an hour to a place with charger :)
20:10.39DocScrutinizerI guess you should wait for freemangordon
20:11.24DocScrutinizerooh short on battery - well, a post on tmo will do, or just paste details here, freemangordon will see them in backscroll
20:12.00int_uaok, I'm leaving now, please tell him "$ sudo umount /dev/mmcblk1p1 ; sudo mount -o ro /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmс1"
20:12.20DocScrutinizeryou did ;)
20:12.41DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: ^^^
20:13.01DocScrutinizerpali: (just in case)
20:13.03DocScrutinizer^^^
20:13.47DocScrutinizer[2012-04-12 10:36:41] <freemangordon_> Pali, update your gnome-vfs from -devel repo ;-)
20:14.48DocScrutinizer[2012-04-10 19:42:22] <freemangordon> Raimu, here http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/
20:14.49DocScrutinizer[2012-04-10 19:42:42] <freemangordon> there is .install file to be opened directly from your n900
20:14.51DocScrutinizer[2012-04-10 19:42:49] <Raimu> freemangordon: Ahah, I got it from here - now what's the file I'm to update?
20:14.52DocScrutinizer[2012-04-10 19:43:36] <freemangordon> osso-gnome-vfs, but you need 2 .debs, better use HAM to upgrade
20:15.09DocScrutinizerdang, his battery already dead?
20:18.13tadzikcssu onboard \o/
20:18.57DocScrutinizercongrats
20:19.01DocScrutinizerT or S?
20:19.48DocScrutinizertadzik: ^^^
20:19.53tadzikS
20:19.57DocScrutinizer:-)
20:20.04tadzikI'm not that adventurous, Yet
20:20.13DocScrutinizerS is just fine
20:22.31tadzikhuh. In the new Modest, tree view doesn't mean threaded emails?
20:23.59merlin1991it means tree view for the account / folders structure
20:24.33tadzikhmm, shame. Maybe I could find some tuits to hack on this
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20:35.09int_uaDocScrutinizer: did I miss something about gnome-vfs-maemon?
20:35.21DocScrutinizeryup
20:35.45DocScrutinizer[2012-04-10 19:42:22] <freemangordon> Raimu, here http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/
20:35.47DocScrutinizer[2012-04-10 19:42:42] <freemangordon> there is .install file to be opened directly from your n900
20:35.48DocScrutinizer[2012-04-10 19:42:49] <Raimu> freemangordon: Ahah, I got it from here - now what's the file I'm to update?
20:35.50DocScrutinizer[2012-04-10 19:43:36] <freemangordon> osso-gnome-vfs, but you need 2 .debs, better use HAM to upgrade
20:36.09merlin1991DocScrutinizer: you can scratch the ham line
20:36.16RaimuBling!
20:36.25DocScrutinizermerlin1991: ??
20:36.25merlin1991ham is not going to notice the upgrade since there is no metapackage
20:37.05DocScrutinizermerlin1991: you lost me
20:37.57merlin1991osso-gnome-vfs is in the libs section, so ham does not show any upgrades for it unless you bump the requires version in the metapackage
20:38.09merlin1991ofc there's always red pill mode
20:38.33DocScrutinizererr, where did I use HAM and gnome-vfs in same post?
20:38.48merlin1991<DocScrutinizer> [2012-04-10 19:43:36] <freemangordon> osso-gnome-vfs, but you need 2 .debs, better use HAM to upgrade
20:38.54DocScrutinizermeh
20:39.22DocScrutinizertbh I didn't even read in detail what I posted ;-P
20:40.15DocScrutinizermerlin1991: maybe you can provide better guide for int_ua
20:40.36DocScrutinizerand comment on his "bugreport"
20:43.52int_uadid freemangordon mean HAM over FAM or HAM over CLI?
20:44.27merlin1991ham over fam
20:44.31DocScrutinizerhe didn't mean anything with that line, as it was outright incorrect, as merlin1991 explained one post up
20:44.31merlin1991cli is still better than fam
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20:45.55DocScrutinizerint_ua: maybe you should read chanlog
20:46.57int_uawell, I'm not ready to use devel version, I just wanted to make sure this bug is a known one...
20:47.00DocScrutinizerI'm not sure what freemangordon did, and if it's related to your bug, or whether it's wise at all when you update to that devel osso-gnome-vfs
20:47.11DocScrutinizer:-D
20:48.23DocScrutinizer[2012-04-12 22:11:59] <int_ua> ok, I'm leaving now, please tell him "$ sudo umount /dev/mmcblk1p1 ; sudo mount -o ro /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmс1"
20:48.46DocScrutinizerint_ua: what'S the fs of that partition?
20:48.46tadzikis it possible that extras-devel conflicts with the community repo in some way?
20:48.47int_uafreemangordon: is it the same crash you've fixed?
20:49.10merlin1991tadzik: afaik there are no conflicts
20:49.10int_uaDocScrutinizer: fat
20:49.35tadzikdd
20:49.38tadzik* odd
20:50.00DocScrutinizerthere shouldn't be any ;-D
20:50.02int_uamerlin1991: but theoretically it's possible, right?
20:50.23merlin1991int_ua: theoretically even the ssu repo extras and the ovi repo can have conflicts
20:51.04int_uatadzik: what are the conflicts you are talking about?
20:51.36tadzikint_ua: I get them during apt-get update. "Expected fremantle-1.3, got " (nothing after got)
20:51.54DocScrutinizerduh, that's some very special issue
20:52.03DocScrutinizeralas I forgot what's causing it
20:52.04merlin1991tadzik: that's easy :D
20:52.16tadzikgo on :)
20:52.33merlin1991it's probably your extras-devel entry
20:52.41tadzikaye
20:52.46tadzikcommenting it out fixes the issue
20:52.54merlin1991replace the distribution to fremantle
20:52.57tadzikthing is, I put it there for a reason :)
20:53.01tadzikoh, I'll try that
20:53.16DocScrutinizerrrright
20:53.19merlin1991fremantle-1.3 is a symlink back to fremantle
20:53.39merlin1991DocScrutinizer: extras devel has 3 dists which are all symlinked to 1
20:53.49DocScrutinizeryeah, I know
20:54.35tadzikoh, camera-ui is not in stable?
20:54.41DocScrutinizernope
20:54.48DocScrutinizerit's not stable after all
20:55.01tadzikyeah, go ahead, tempt me more ;)
20:55.06int_uamerlin1991: and what about extras? Is fremantle-1.3 a symlink there?
20:55.07DocScrutinizerplus you should be able to install it as a normal app as well
20:55.16tadzikis there a way to turn of this autostarting camera-ui after opening the lens cover in stable?
20:55.37tadzikmerlin1991: everything works now, thank you!
20:55.43merlin1991int_ua: at least fremantle and fremanlte-1.2 are distinct in extras
20:56.01merlin1991but I don't know if fremantle-1.2 points to 1.3 or the other way around
20:56.36int_uamerlin1991: should I add fremantle if I have fremantle-1.3 entry?
20:56.47merlin1991you'll want 1.3 in exrras
20:57.13int_uamerlin1991: ok, thanks :)
20:58.17DocScrutinizerbasically for extras Nokia maintains a repo for 1.2, but they don't for -testing and -devel, as both are supposed to be "bleeding edge"
20:59.09DocScrutinizerso for pr1.3 you should have plain fremantle in all your catalog defs AIUI
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20:59.53DocScrutinizerwhile for pr1.2 you may want femantle-1.2 for extras, and probably not use -testing and -devel
21:00.07merlin1991actually you don't want fremanlte for -extras
21:00.14merlin1991fremanlte in -extras is pr 1.1
21:00.20DocScrutinizerduh
21:00.22merlin1991since there was an abi break from 1.1  to 1.2
21:00.32DocScrutinizermhm
21:00.48DocScrutinizerso they changed extras catalog with update
21:00.53merlin1991yep
21:01.12DocScrutinizerwell fremantle-1.3 for extras then
21:01.34merlin1991to say that the maemo infrastructure is complicated is an understatement :D
21:01.38DocScrutinizerfrematle without anything for -testing/-devel
21:01.52int_uaso the fremantle-1.3 is the right one?
21:02.02DocScrutinizerfor extras
21:02.07int_uaok
21:02.12DocScrutinizerif you're on pr1.3
21:03.33DocScrutinizerthe symlinks for testing/devel are just ... rudimentary
21:04.05DocScrutinizeror at least I can't see what for they were meant
21:04.26merlin1991Isn't it obvious?
21:04.34merlin1991they are there to confuse users xD
21:05.46DocScrutinizerhehehe
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21:06.59DocScrutinizerjavispedro: oh hi again
21:07.39javispedrohi
21:25.11tadzikis anyone using BatteryPatch and has an idea why does it _over_clock the phone CPU?
21:32.57merlin1991tadzik: battery "patch" is frowned upon in here :D
21:36.54tadzikI see. It's description made me suspiscious
21:40.04DocScrutinizerdon't use batterypatch, it's pile'o AFAIK
21:40.34DocScrutinizera big hoax
21:41.00DocScrutinizerdone by a script kiddie with no clue apparently
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