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| 10:58.48 | DocScrutinizer | please check nicocam regarding http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-04-04.log.html#t2012-04-04T12:23:23 |
| 10:59.33 | DocScrutinizer | >> <thresh> camera application on n900, taking minutes to "save" a photo after taking it |
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| 13:18.53 | Pali | merlin1991, upgrading/removing/purging operator cbs widget could be fixed here: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-operator-name-cbs-widget |
| 13:19.05 | Pali | But I did not tested it yet |
| 13:19.54 | Pali | I fixed problems in debian/[pre|post].* scripts which removing libsms.so.0.0.0.0 library from maemo system |
| 13:43.40 | Pali | Ok, I tested it and working fine |
| 13:43.55 | Pali | also upgrading from previous version working without problem |
| 13:44.43 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, can you test you too? |
| 13:45.24 | Pali | at least someone other should test compiling, installing, upgrading and removing... |
| 13:46.27 | Pali | I updated libconnui-dev package: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libconnui-dev small fix for compiling and cleaning |
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| 15:02.24 | ivgalvez | Pali: ping |
| 15:03.09 | ivgalvez | Freemangordon: ping |
| 15:03.49 | ivgalvez | X-Fade is actually active in TMO and he's fixing some of the problems with package promotion |
| 15:03.51 | ivgalvez | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1187982#post1187982 |
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| 17:13.43 | freemangordon | Pali, i've compiled and installed this "cbs" thing, should there be some change (besides new control panel entry)? |
| 17:14.17 | Pali | working cell broadcast sms |
| 17:14.29 | Pali | if you mean my patches... |
| 17:14.41 | freemangordon | yeah, that is what i mean |
| 17:14.42 | Pali | ...then working install, upgrade, remove and purgeƤ |
| 17:15.01 | freemangordon | well, install is working :) |
| 17:15.17 | freemangordon | "cell broadcast sms"? |
| 17:15.21 | Pali | after installing is still needed reboot |
| 17:15.33 | Pali | operator widget is replaced by new |
| 17:15.40 | freemangordon | you mean my MNO now can spam my n900? |
| 17:15.46 | Pali | which show cellular info |
| 17:16.07 | freemangordon | what kind of info? |
| 17:16.24 | Pali | often location |
| 17:16.27 | freemangordon | i have only MNO name |
| 17:16.42 | freemangordon | is this a desktop widget? |
| 17:16.46 | Pali | enable it via control panel |
| 17:17.02 | Pali | no it is in widget which show operator name |
| 17:17.12 | Pali | also enable logs |
| 17:17.25 | Pali | for more info ask Doc or jonwil |
| 17:17.41 | freemangordon | i've enabled them, ant it writes some information |
| 17:17.47 | freemangordon | *and |
| 17:18.04 | freemangordon | well, only my operator name |
| 17:18.16 | freemangordon | and cell id in the other log file |
| 17:18.38 | freemangordon | maybe my MNO does not broadcast messages? |
| 17:19.17 | Pali | could be |
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| 18:57.20 | DocScrutinizer | 3G never does, you'll need 2G |
| 18:57.32 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 18:57.59 | freemangordon | I am on 2G most of the time, battery life, you know :) |
| 18:58.00 | DocScrutinizer | even on 2G odds are your provider doesn't any SMSCB |
| 18:58.08 | freemangordon | yeah, it seems so |
| 18:58.27 | DocScrutinizer | if in doubt, use my smscb.py |
| 18:58.50 | DocScrutinizer | unlike the widget, it will show all channels |
| 18:59.26 | freemangordon | nah, I think everything is fine, I have logs, but nothing more in them but cell id and operator name |
| 18:59.28 | DocScrutinizer | or simply do dbus-monitor --system|grep smscb |
| 18:59.42 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 19:00.19 | freemangordon | but it will take one more to test it, as i cannot confirm cell boadcast actually works |
| 19:00.50 | DocScrutinizer | I have no smscb on chan50 here either |
| 19:01.31 | freemangordon | well, at least nothing seems to be broken so far :D |
| 19:02.25 | amiconn | never received a single cell broadcast in 10 > years, despite having reception enabled on all his previous phones (which were 2G only) |
| 19:03.50 | DocScrutinizer | amiconn: on which channels? |
| 19:04.19 | DocScrutinizer | you need to select channels you want to receive |
| 19:04.37 | amiconn | Umm, I selected several. Don't remember which ones though |
| 19:04.45 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 19:04.50 | amiconn | Iirc I even enabled all of them for a while |
| 19:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | I guess that'S rather impossible on usual phones |
| 19:05.48 | DocScrutinizer | though I'm not sure, as I only got one channel that actually sends smscb |
| 19:05.52 | Pali | meeting now? |
| 19:06.02 | DocScrutinizer | duh! |
| 19:06.34 | DocScrutinizer | damn, completely forgot about that |
| 19:06.48 | DocScrutinizer | but nm, I'm here |
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| 19:07.47 | Pali | ping merlin1991 freemangordon MohammadAG |
| 19:11.10 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, what about renaming cbs widget package name to its orignal nokia widget package "connui-home-cellular" ? |
| 19:11.37 | DocScrutinizer | umm |
| 19:11.56 | DocScrutinizer | probably, as it replaces that one, no? |
| 19:12.15 | Pali | yes it replace orginal |
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| 19:12.35 | Pali | and cbs messages can be enabled/disabled via hildon control panel |
| 19:14.27 | DocScrutinizer | please don't expect any well thought decisions on relevant topics from me today - I'm ill |
| 19:14.47 | Pali | ok |
| 19:14.52 | DocScrutinizer | my gut feeling says you're right with your idea |
| 19:15.59 | Pali | and meeting? postpone it to next week? |
| 19:16.40 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, I will modify debian/* files for cbs widget git repo |
| 19:16.42 | freemangordon | Pali, do you have any clue why we have yet another entry in control panel for cbs widget, isn't "Phone" control panel entry the correct place? |
| 19:16.55 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, the same question |
| 19:17.08 | Pali | because phone entry is closed source plugin |
| 19:17.19 | freemangordon | so? is it so hard to re? |
| 19:17.36 | Pali | if you have time you can do RE it |
| 19:18.13 | Pali | new entry was created by jonwil |
| 19:18.23 | DocScrutinizer | no entry to control panel for smscb, needs to go to probably phone |
| 19:18.29 | freemangordon | ok, but we should have decided it first, that this is the right place, put that in tasks, etc |
| 19:18.49 | DocScrutinizer | or to cssu |
| 19:18.50 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer :nod: |
| 19:19.41 | freemangordon | no, phone is the correct place |
| 19:19.46 | freemangordon | AIUI |
| 19:19.59 | Pali | I think the best position could be in phone entry in network submenu (after choosing GSM/3G or roaming) |
| 19:20.48 | freemangordon | absolutely |
| 19:20.59 | DocScrutinizer | sure, as is "display" for all orientation and transition things |
| 19:21.22 | DocScrutinizer | cssu being the catch-all for that stuff that is hard to place where it belongs |
| 19:21.23 | freemangordon | with those "logging" entries not visible, but controlable through gconf |
| 19:21.28 | Pali | and creating logs checkbox I think should not be visible to end-users |
| 19:21.35 | freemangordon | :D |
| 19:21.37 | freemangordon | yep |
| 19:21.39 | Pali | yes |
| 19:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | make it gconfkey, controllable via cssu-settings APP |
| 19:23.00 | DocScrutinizer | after all it's just enabling a augmented property of CSSU, AIUI |
| 19:23.35 | DocScrutinizer | nobody needs to switch this every day, or even every month, eh? |
| 19:24.59 | freemangordon | cssu-settings-to-be APP? :D |
| 19:25.03 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I don't mind, as long as it doesn't crowd the already crowded settings main menu |
| 19:26.02 | DocScrutinizer | well, there's that cssu-settings button in my settings system menu |
| 19:26.25 | DocScrutinizer | and then there's that other "app" that iirc shows up in powerbutton menu |
| 19:26.57 | DocScrutinizer | "CSSU Features" |
| 19:27.28 | DocScrutinizer | and "CSSU tuner" in settings |
| 19:27.55 | DocScrutinizer | and pretty please no new button in system-menu |
| 19:28.08 | DocScrutinizer | well, there's that cssu-settings button in my settings menu |
| 19:30.05 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: all for phone menu, if it's feasible |
| 19:30.35 | DocScrutinizer | but then I'd request a way to also choose channel there |
| 19:31.14 | Pali | ok, widget can be changed for configuring logs & channel via gconf |
| 19:31.29 | DocScrutinizer | and choose other channels (possible a set of) for diverting all msgs to a SMS thread named like the channel |
| 19:32.20 | DocScrutinizer | just in case anybody was able to parse that last post ;-D |
| 19:32.45 | freemangordon | yeah, but that would mean integration with telepathy |
| 19:32.46 | Pali | configurable channel list |
| 19:32.59 | DocScrutinizer | really? |
| 19:33.07 | freemangordon | I think so |
| 19:33.12 | DocScrutinizer | do we need telepathy to fake inbound SMS? |
| 19:33.13 | Pali | or only one channel? |
| 19:33.26 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: set of chan, aka list |
| 19:33.37 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, nfc actually |
| 19:33.40 | Pali | no, please not create fake sms to telepathy |
| 19:34.36 | DocScrutinizer | just add them to the eventsdb? |
| 19:34.41 | DocScrutinizer | sounds fine for me |
| 19:35.16 | DocScrutinizer | and have a way to decide for each channel if you want a notifier or not, when new SMS comes in |
| 19:37.12 | DocScrutinizer | icing on top: have a setting how many "old" "SMS" you want to keep for that chan |
| 19:38.17 | DocScrutinizer | as for e.g. the chan50 location/homezone thingy, you want only last SMSCB stored, and you also usually don't want a notifier on "new" smscb coming in |
| 19:38.31 | DocScrutinizer | btw the definition of "new" is tricky here |
| 19:38.58 | DocScrutinizer | I guess/think they have some serial number or sth |
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| 19:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | that's supposed to change when content is changing |
| 19:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ javispedro |
| 19:39.34 | freemangordon | hi |
| 19:39.35 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hi! |
| 19:39.57 | javispedro | mo. |
| 19:40.24 | DocScrutinizer | for other SMSCB like e.g. traffic jam msgs you might want to keep last 24h, or last 10 msgs |
| 19:41.07 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, sounds very good, but lets leave that as an enhancement, first todo is RE phone control panel plugin |
| 19:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | and you might want to have notifier with all the chrome, when a new one comes in |
| 19:41.23 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 19:41.46 | freemangordon | so at least we have a consistent UI with the option to control sms broadcast messages |
| 19:41.48 | DocScrutinizer | I'm actually wondering where everybody got MIA today |
| 19:41.58 | DocScrutinizer | well, "everybody" |
| 19:42.03 | freemangordon | proly watching the drama on TMO :D |
| 19:42.12 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 19:42.23 | freemangordon | hmm, tragedy or drama, not sure |
| 19:42.26 | DocScrutinizer | ??? |
| 19:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | even worse than usual? |
| 19:42.59 | DocScrutinizer | some particular topic? |
| 19:43.21 | freemangordon | yeah, council election and repo problems |
| 19:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | (you know I don't check for new or active threads, even when I eventually visit tmo) |
| 19:43.50 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 19:43.59 | freemangordon | well, those worth to be checked |
| 19:44.13 | DocScrutinizer | ugh |
| 19:44.31 | DocScrutinizer | linkie or it won't happen |
| 19:44.52 | freemangordon | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83398 |
| 19:45.11 | freemangordon | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83441 |
| 19:45.25 | freemangordon | the good news is that X-Fade is alive |
| 19:45.53 | javispedro | I think that you're exaggerating |
| 19:46.00 | freemangordon | as in? |
| 19:46.11 | javispedro | "uncontactable" part |
| 19:46.18 | freemangordon | nope, I am not |
| 19:46.21 | javispedro | I've had to avoid him twice or thrice |
| 19:46.35 | javispedro | because he once asked me to investigate some aegis packaging issues and I am yet to do that.. |
| 19:46.49 | DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHA |
| 19:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | X-P |
| 19:47.04 | freemangordon | sorry that I have to tell that, but there were days both me and Pali wer pinging him ten and more times a day |
| 19:47.12 | freemangordon | several days, one after another |
| 19:47.18 | DocScrutinizer | weeks |
| 19:47.23 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 19:47.49 | DocScrutinizer | he's non-existent for maemo |
| 19:48.01 | freemangordon | javispedro, you can check #maemo logs if you have time and will, I am not exaggerating |
| 19:48.05 | freemangordon | :( |
| 19:48.21 | javispedro | meh, he might be avoiding all of you =) |
| 19:48.32 | freemangordon | yeah, that is for sure |
| 19:48.48 | freemangordon | but I have no clue why |
| 19:48.48 | Pali | kernel-power v50 is still not in extras-devel maemo.org package interface |
| 19:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | he definitely got me on his /ignore, since I called aegis a spawn from hell |
| 19:48.57 | freemangordon | Pali, we know that |
| 19:49.32 | freemangordon | javispedro, I have absolutely no clue what reason could X-Fade have to blacklist me |
| 19:50.15 | freemangordon | besides me being CSSU developer and kernel-power co-maintainer |
| 19:50.51 | freemangordon | The same for Pali |
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| 19:52.43 | javispedro | meh, and why does it fail every so often |
| 19:53.09 | freemangordon | it? which one? |
| 19:53.15 | javispedro | "kernel-power" |
| 19:54.03 | DocScrutinizer | fail? what fails? |
| 19:54.22 | javispedro | to get into the packages list |
| 19:54.27 | freemangordon | so often? well, I wouldn't call every 3-4 months often, but that is not the point. Ever since the maintainership was given to Pali, it is the same. |
| 19:54.31 | DocScrutinizer | sorry for being obtuse |
| 19:54.42 | DocScrutinizer | ill :-S |
| 19:54.53 | javispedro | I am the one being obtuse, I fail to see why that package is "special" |
| 19:55.37 | DocScrutinizer | it's somehow stuck in repo propagation process |
| 19:55.49 | freemangordon | I *suspect* it is because there is aome mess in the DB re who is the maintainer of the packages, but without having access to that DB, you know. |
| 19:56.09 | freemangordon | s/aome/some/ |
| 19:56.26 | freemangordon | can prove nothing |
| 19:57.18 | javispedro | hard to say, it would not be intermittent problem then. |
| 19:57.38 | freemangordon | the other reason could be that it takes several rties to successfuly upload kernel-power source to autobuilder, and by the time it finally lends there, the DB is already fcked up |
| 19:57.58 | freemangordon | I saw a bug against autobuilder re some timeout issue |
| 19:58.20 | freemangordon | but it is marced as RESOLVED FIXED or something |
| 19:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | quite possible |
| 19:59.02 | DocScrutinizer | I guess autobuilder checks for new files every 30min. If the pkg isn't complete by that time, fsckup may result |
| 19:59.03 | freemangordon | anyway, my guesses does not help much |
| 19:59.15 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 19:59.21 | javispedro | untrue, people used to build webkit here |
| 19:59.40 | freemangordon | that is bigger AFAIK |
| 19:59.46 | freemangordon | some 60M |
| 20:00.10 | javispedro | webkit is like an order of magnitude larger than the kernel in build time at least (C++) |
| 20:00.29 | javispedro | it took a day or so |
| 20:00.34 | freemangordon | I am talking about upload time, not build time |
| 20:01.07 | freemangordon | anyway, those are wild guesses which change nothing |
| 20:01.09 | javispedro | unless you are uploading the .dsc first, there should be no problem either.. |
| 20:01.33 | DocScrutinizer | I'm afk, please ping me several times in a row, when sth up that I could contribute |
| 20:01.55 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: :nod: exactly my thought |
| 20:01.58 | freemangordon | javispedro, how am i supposed to know which exactly file is uploaded first while using autobuilder web iface |
| 20:02.16 | DocScrutinizer | that's maybe the point |
| 20:02.31 | javispedro | heh, using a lousy http upload for a 60 MiB file? =) |
| 20:02.42 | javispedro | but the web interface should do the right thing too |
| 20:03.02 | freemangordon | wel, i don't see any filesize restriction :) |
| 20:03.11 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it doesn't, and former KP pkgs got uploaded another way |
| 20:03.41 | DocScrutinizer | maybe this maybe that maybe I'm afk now |
| 20:03.49 | freemangordon | BTW it is Pali who uploads the packages, I have no clue which method he is using |
| 20:04.06 | freemangordon | I've tried only once, never being able to finish |
| 20:04.15 | Pali | scp |
| 20:04.23 | Pali | with dput |
| 20:04.37 | freemangordon | so long for the web interface theory :) |
| 20:04.50 | Pali | I uploaded more packages to autobuilder, but only kp is problematic |
| 20:05.02 | javispedro | there was never web interface theory, but now there is dput theory =) |
| 20:05.19 | freemangordon | you mean .dsc one? |
| 20:05.32 | javispedro | yep |
| 20:05.44 | freemangordon | Pali ^^^ |
| 20:06.06 | Pali | dput changes |
| 20:06.58 | Pali | I'm also uploading packages to ubunut launchpad PPAs with same method |
| 20:07.03 | Pali | and no problem too |
| 20:08.41 | javispedro | (and this reminds me that I should introduce the topic of moving to other autobuilder implementation to the council thread -- obs, launchpad, anything other than cauldron |
| 20:08.43 | javispedro | ) |
| 20:10.57 | freemangordon | well, I think sd69 somehow brought the topic(and it was burried between posts), but might be in mistake |
| 20:12.12 | Pali | launchpad could be good choose, becuase of copying easy ubuntu packages.... but armel builds are not for all users |
| 20:12.57 | DocScrutinizer | errr .oO(???) |
| 20:14.01 | Pali | launchpad support only x86 and amd64 repositories (armel is only for ubuntu/cannonical people) |
| 20:14.13 | javispedro | that sounds policy, probably could be changed |
| 20:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | chnge where, why? |
| 20:17.27 | DocScrutinizer | by whom? |
| 20:17.37 | javispedro | good questions |
| 20:17.43 | javispedro | (except the why? one ;P ) |
| 20:19.00 | javispedro | I'm surprised that the council debate has brought up some surges in activity, for all Maemo devices |
| 20:19.32 | javispedro | I've handled maintainership for 6 of my previous Fremantle packages in the last two weeks (0 during the rest of the year) |
| 20:19.43 | Pali | problem with armel repos on launchpad is that armel builders are devirtualized |
| 20:19.55 | Pali | they do not have proper virtual infrastructure |
| 20:20.56 | javispedro | dunno what virtual is =) |
| 20:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | dunno what launchpad is |
| 20:24.53 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: Ubuntu's "maemo.org Garage", "maemo.org Packages", bugzilla, autobuilder, and probably several other crap in a all-in-one package |
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| 20:31.36 | freemangordon | this is getting ridiculous (council thread i mean) :( |
| 20:32.51 | javispedro | hey, I wanted to self-nominate too |
| 20:33.07 | javispedro | (who I am kidding? =) ) |
| 20:33.11 | freemangordon | javispedro, what is stopping you? |
| 20:34.22 | javispedro | work :( |
| 20:35.15 | javispedro | back when I was a council member I realize that one is actually more productive outside the council; the only thing being in the council helps with is getting to know the people. |
| 20:35.19 | javispedro | *I realized |
| 20:55.12 | DocScrutinizer | well, maybe a few good people in council, that have little time to do work - still way better than no council at all |
| 20:55.52 | freemangordon | How is that different to CSSU? :) |
| 21:02.00 | merlin1991 | about kenrel |
| 21:02.10 | freemangordon | which one? |
| 21:02.17 | merlin1991 | problem is, that the maemo webpage does not recognise epochs |
| 21:02.21 | javispedro | pwned-kernel |
| 21:02.37 | freemangordon | so? |
| 21:02.39 | merlin1991 | so ever since there was an epoch added to the kernel-power version shit has been flyin |
| 21:02.48 | freemangordon | Pali said he is using dput |
| 21:03.04 | freemangordon | you mean package iface? |
| 21:03.42 | freemangordon | merlin1991,, how do you know that? |
| 21:03.44 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 21:03.53 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: X-Fade told me :D |
| 21:04.02 | freemangordon | aah |
| 21:04.08 | freemangordon | javispedro ^^^ |
| 21:04.10 | javispedro | but packages interface is completely separate from the repo? |
| 21:04.13 | javispedro | does it enter the repo? |
| 21:04.19 | freemangordon | yes |
| 21:04.23 | javispedro | aaaaaaaaaa |
| 21:04.30 | javispedro | ah wait |
| 21:04.33 | javispedro | there were two problems |
| 21:04.39 | merlin1991 | pacakge interface is the one that handles promoten from devel -> testing -> extras |
| 21:04.44 | javispedro | the first one was that it required a few tries to actually build, which is a cauldron problem |
| 21:04.58 | freemangordon | yep |
| 21:05.01 | javispedro | the second one is that even if succesfully built it does not get into packages interface... |
| 21:05.09 | freemangordon | and once build you cannot see it in -devel |
| 21:05.18 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 21:05.44 | merlin1991 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/ still claims that power49 is in -devel even though power50 is in -devel |
| 21:05.59 | freemangordon | -devel as repo |
| 21:06.18 | javispedro | but it is not true |
| 21:06.24 | javispedro | the packages interface does handle epoch |
| 21:06.52 | merlin1991 | X-Fade told me that the version comparison algorithm of the package interface does not handle epoch |
| 21:07.53 | javispedro | http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/branches/ragnaroek/midcom/org.maemo.packages/handler/repository/repository.php#L744 |
| 21:08.02 | javispedro | I see epoch right there |
| 21:09.40 | merlin1991 | well nfc then |
| 21:14.45 | merlin1991 | fact is the interface does not show the latest version in the repo |
| 21:15.21 | javispedro | but it does not show it anywhere, not even in the logs |
| 21:15.52 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 21:16.17 | merlin1991 | yet it still *is* there http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/ |
| 21:16.27 | freemangordon | you cans see autobuilder logs, that it has successfuly finished the build process |
| 21:17.05 | merlin1991 | I also find it interesting how everybody is on about the "cssu" issue, but nobody actually explained yet what it really is |
| 21:17.24 | freemangordon | besides me :) |
| 21:17.26 | merlin1991 | (in the council and other tmo threads) |
| 21:17.39 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: I must have missed that post |
| 21:18.36 | freemangordon | but it seems I am not famous neither "old member" enough so someone to read my posts and take them seriously. :D |
| 21:19.19 | merlin1991 | can you link me? |
| 21:19.28 | freemangordon | just a minute |
| 21:20.12 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 21:20.42 | freemangordon | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1187613&postcount=39 |
| 21:27.14 | freemangordon | merlin1991 ^^^ |
| 21:27.33 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: thanks |
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