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| 07:26.53 | ilew | jonwil: ping |
| 07:27.06 | jonwil | hi |
| 07:27.51 | ilew | Hey, I read that you need someone to talk to re CSSU-Testing? |
| 07:28.12 | jonwil | Yeah I want to know what we need to do to get more packages into CSSU-testing |
| 07:28.20 | jonwil | Those that have been tested enough to be considered "safe" |
| 07:28.29 | jonwil | and/or that have good reasons to go into CSSU-testing |
| 07:29.43 | ilew | Do you know about the testing-testing repo? It's the packages that have been in cssu-devel and then picked to be used for the release.. |
| 07:31.10 | jonwil | Nope, dont know that |
| 07:32.42 | ilew | It's about 99% ready. The only thing missing is the latest mp-fremantle-community-pr and then it's good to go for an actual CSSU-testing release. Unfortuately I don't have any permission to actually do the release. |
| 07:36.08 | jonwil | Got a link to testing-testing so I can see whats in it that's not in testing? |
| 07:41.23 | jonwil | ilwe? |
| 07:41.26 | jonwil | ilew? |
| 07:45.05 | ilew | Sorry for the slow response. I had to handtype and checked that it worked. |
| 07:46.12 | ilew | Everything in mp-fremantle-community-pr is what is in there though. |
| 10:53.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems we need to start another "shanghaiing session" to help merlin1991 out with managing the repos, eh? |
| 10:54.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | the approach so far was that the repo maintainer gathers feedback on packages in here, evaluates those and decides if they are sufficient for qualifying a package as "ready for going prime time" |
| 10:55.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | then same based on cssu-testing getting deployed, for cssu-stable |
| 10:56.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | where stable would never adopt packages that are not fixing bugs |
| 10:57.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | while in testing there sneaks in a mere improvement package every now and then |
| 10:57.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | see e.g. camera-ui |
| 10:58.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | the "problem" is we need a maintainer who understands and follows that scheme |
| 11:00.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | beta-tests pre cssu-testing are frequently based on deploying .deb. Occasionally a developer may want to test packaging in cssu-devel after the core application considered working and betatested |
| 11:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | .deb are frequently deployed via tmo |
| 11:02.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | resp via arbitrary web hosts linked to in tmo |
| 11:04.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((gathers feedback on packages in here, evaluates those)) often involves a lot of prodding |
| 11:05.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | evaluation could also happen in a "meeting" based on meritocracy, which is basically just an enforced feedback gathering. Final decision if feedback suffices is up to the repo maintainer |
| 11:06.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and should be conservative |
| 11:07.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | a basic rule being: a package devel has no voice in evaluation |
| 11:09.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | (...of their own package, that is) |
| 11:12.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically packages - during evaluation - should get approved for release only when unanimously voted for by the ones who participated in evaluating the package |
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| 16:24.55 | freemangordon | Pali: jonwil: lets discuss ke-recv issue here |
| 16:25.13 | freemangordon | fptf-provate is not logged, for start |
| 16:25.16 | freemangordon | *private |
| 16:26.01 | Pali | ~seen ilew |
| 16:26.03 | infobot | ilew <~ilew@203.219.228.227> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 8h 39m 51s ago, saying: 'Everything in mp-fremantle-community-pr is what is in there though.'. |
| 16:26.22 | freemangordon | do we have anyone else but ilew that was able to reproduce the issue? |
| 16:26.25 | Pali | ilew had a problem with ke-recv from cssu-devel |
| 16:26.37 | freemangordon | yeah, i know the story, at least partially |
| 16:26.45 | Pali | I was not able and do not know if somebody else tried that... |
| 16:26.53 | freemangordon | wouldn;t git-bisect do the job? |
| 16:27.05 | Pali | yes, once you are able to reproduce it |
| 16:27.14 | freemangordon | but if ilew is able... |
| 16:27.41 | Pali | just build different versions of DEB packages |
| 16:27.44 | Pali | and try one by one |
| 16:28.01 | Pali | there are not too many versions, so binary search does not speed it up |
| 16:28.47 | freemangordon | Pali: my devel device is highly customized (to boot maemo with upstream and whatnot), so I am not sure I'll be of help here |
| 16:29.26 | freemangordon | we should really ask Ilew do do that, instead of wasting time to see if we are able to reproduce on first place |
| 16:30.16 | freemangordon | agree? |
| 16:31.01 | freemangordon | in the meanwhile - even if we are able to fix the issue, who is going to release that new CSSU? |
| 16:31.52 | freemangordon | I doubt merlin1991 will do, given he was converted |
| 16:31.57 | freemangordon | :p |
| 16:32.10 | jonwil | ilew is working on a cssu-testing-testing actually |
| 16:32.34 | freemangordon | ok, and once it is ok, what? |
| 16:33.00 | jonwil | Not sure. |
| 16:34.18 | freemangordon | yes, exactly. I think there is no point fixing things that are going to be never released |
| 16:38.23 | jonwil | that's up to ilew to figure out |
| 16:41.14 | jonwil | will ke-recv still exist on the N900 under maemo-leste or does its job get taken over by something from upstream? |
| 16:41.37 | freemangordon | ke-recv is there |
| 16:41.52 | freemangordon | but we're far from it being actually useful |
| 16:42.03 | jonwil | Ok. |
| 16:42.07 | freemangordon | hmm, lemme check |
| 16:42.37 | freemangordon | jonwil: no, it is not there |
| 16:43.00 | freemangordon | should put it on todo list |
| 16:43.27 | freemangordon | however, it will be a big task, we should get rid of HAL |
| 16:44.07 | jonwil | I assume on N900 maemo-leste uses the bme replacement from pali and not the Nokia blob? |
| 16:45.01 | freemangordon | no bme or replacement |
| 16:45.13 | freemangordon | there is a new mce module based on upower |
| 16:45.22 | freemangordon | but we're still to test it |
| 16:46.11 | freemangordon | no reason to use bme, n900 upstream kernel has standard battery/charger interfaces |
| 16:46.19 | jonwil | Ok. |
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| 16:55.47 | jonwil | There are a few userspace packages that talk to BME via libbmeipc and hald-addon-bme (no clue if any are closed source). |
| 16:56.00 | jonwil | Some massaging will need to be done to make those work 100% I guess |
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