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| 13:15.00 | MojArch | hi |
| 13:15.40 | MojArch | my n900 got bootloop after updating CSSU! |
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| 13:42.57 | bencoh | ouch :/ which cssu? |
| 13:44.32 | kerio | MojArch: as a general rule |
| 13:44.36 | kerio | pull the battery |
| 13:47.51 | bencoh | ? |
| 14:04.28 | kerio | if you get the battery low enough you can't reflash |
| 14:15.35 | bencoh | ah, right |
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| 14:39.36 | MojArch | bencoh: i dont know reall! |
| 14:39.42 | MojArch | realy |
| 14:39.53 | bencoh | stable, testing ? |
| 14:40.04 | bencoh | did you just update cssu, or is that a stock->cssu upgrade? |
| 14:40.34 | kerio | even better question |
| 14:40.39 | kerio | when did you last took a full backup? |
| 14:40.45 | bencoh | huhu |
| 14:41.56 | MojArch | latest repository that i added to phone was extra-devel |
| 14:42.24 | bencoh | and you launched upgrade after adding extra-devel? :/ |
| 14:42.36 | MojArch | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ |
| 14:42.57 | MojArch | i updated CSSU! |
| 14:43.03 | bencoh | how? |
| 14:43.39 | MojArch | it notified me about new update and i just installed it! |
| 14:44.02 | MojArch | some thning around 55MB |
| 14:44.33 | bencoh | what is "it"? application manager? |
| 14:44.39 | bencoh | it's probably not just cssu |
| 14:45.13 | MojArch | updated from application manager |
| 14:45.40 | bencoh | then you probably just upgraded every package |
| 14:46.03 | MojArch | i dont think so |
| 14:46.06 | bencoh | including those with newer version in extra-devel than extra-stable or extra-testing |
| 14:46.09 | bencoh | how do you know? |
| 14:47.19 | MojArch | didn't get your point |
| 14:47.19 | MojArch | :( |
| 14:47.29 | bencoh | you just added a new repository, then upgraded |
| 14:47.38 | bencoh | this repository contains non-stable versions of extra softwares |
| 14:47.51 | MojArch | ouch |
| 14:48.07 | MojArch | :/ |
| 14:48.39 | MojArch | well what are my options now? |
| 14:51.05 | kerio | why would that cause a bootloop |
| 14:51.10 | kerio | MojArch: do you have uboot installed |
| 14:51.24 | MojArch | yes |
| 14:51.31 | kerio | well that's convenient |
| 14:51.38 | kerio | idk how to get dmesg output during boot tbh |
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| 14:53.59 | MojArch | any idea? |
| 15:02.33 | kerio | well i mean |
| 15:02.35 | kerio | reflash |
| 15:02.38 | kerio | \_o_/ |
| 15:02.58 | kerio | try booting in R&D mode so the watchdog isn't started |
| 15:03.04 | kerio | maybe it'll help |
| 15:05.02 | MojArch | hoding down u ond than booting phone? |
| 15:05.13 | MojArch | holding |
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| 15:31.01 | MojArch | kerio: thnx |
| 15:31.10 | kerio | ? |
| 15:31.16 | kerio | no i meant like |
| 15:31.22 | kerio | flasher-3.5 --something |
| 15:31.24 | kerio | on a computer |
| 15:31.41 | MojArch | just reflashed and every thing is ok |
| 15:31.46 | kerio | well |
| 15:31.48 | kerio | you lost everything D: |
| 15:32.01 | MojArch | well there was nothing |
| 15:32.06 | kerio | oh |
| 15:32.10 | kerio | that is convenient |
| 15:32.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~lazyflashing |
| 15:32.22 | infobot | well, lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach |
| 15:32.22 | MojArch | i got this phone for porting arch linux to it |
| 15:33.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | good luck with "porting XY to it" |
| 15:33.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf |
| 15:33.21 | infobot | [fptf] the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 15:33.33 | kerio | on the one hand |
| 15:33.40 | kerio | it's pretty damn easy to just get some random linux to somewhat work |
| 15:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | emphasis on "to somewhat" |
| 15:34.04 | kerio | on the other, it's pretty fucking impossible to get it to work as well as maemo |
| 15:34.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | starting with PVR and not ending at charging |
| 15:35.08 | kerio | pretty sure that charging is easy nowadays |
| 15:35.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it actually always been, ever since I published that silly little script ;-) |
| 15:35.48 | kerio | that is pretty hard |
| 15:35.53 | kerio | you have a thing that you have to run |
| 15:36.02 | kerio | kernel module on the other hand |
| 15:36.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernmel module OTOH is agnostic of USB ENUM |
| 15:36.43 | kerio | ? |
| 15:36.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a number of other things |
| 15:38.51 | kerio | pali's module uses the info from the usb gadget mode driver to decide whether to charge at .5A or at .9A |
| 15:38.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know how charging via USB works? You need to detect first if you're *allowed* to charge, and how much current to draw - not that my script would bother |
| 15:39.37 | kerio | well that's not good D: |
| 15:40.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's how USB specified it |
| 15:41.58 | MojArch | well what i have in my mind is porting maemo's ui(Fremantle?) to arch linux (if possible) and start to fix broken things |
| 15:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | err but why? |
| 15:42.35 | MojArch | it is kinda fun |
| 15:42.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't arch also a debian? |
| 15:42.44 | MojArch | no |
| 15:43.06 | MojArch | www.archlinux.org |
| 15:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I heard of google |
| 15:43.36 | MojArch | huh! |
| 15:44.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~closed |
| 15:44.23 | infobot | closed is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages, or http://elinux.org/N900 |
| 15:45.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | the "ui" is hildon |
| 15:45.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no i mean |
| 15:45.11 | kerio | your script isn't good |
| 15:45.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle is a lot more than just the UI |
| 15:45.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | then don't use it |
| 15:45.26 | kerio | although tbh i don't know if the module can deal with not having a usb gadget mode driver |
| 15:45.56 | kerio | also let's be honest here, the non-ui parts of fremantle are just your run-of-the-mill lunix |
| 15:47.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't care. I taught Pali all the gory details about charging, and I think the driver is maybe not thoroughly tested but conceptually probably as good as it gets |
| 15:47.46 | kerio | i mean in auto mode |
| 15:47.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, you lost me |
| 15:48.00 | kerio | you can unload every g_ module |
| 15:48.08 | kerio | and then nothing would ENUM |
| 15:48.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't care |
| 15:48.33 | kerio | yes |
| 15:48.55 | kerio | i'm just saying that i don't know whether or not the bq24k kernel driver knows how to deal with that |
| 15:49.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | the non ui parts of fremantle are about all that makes fremantle actually work on N900 |
| 15:50.57 | bencoh | kerio: it most probably doesn't do anything about that, and it's perfectly fine. |
| 15:51.32 | kerio | but what if i want to charge with the one port in the universe that enforces current limits for non-enumerated usb devices |
| 15:51.38 | bencoh | especially since n900 charge current is freaking low |
| 15:51.44 | bencoh | anyway that's OT here |
| 15:51.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | starting at audio, over charging, cmt, dsme, icd, mce, notification handling, ohm, pa, upstart... |
| 15:51.49 | kerio | well it's still .9A isn't it |
| 15:52.16 | bencoh | kerio: far from 0.9A here iirc |
| 15:52.28 | kerio | .9A at the absolute maximum |
| 15:52.49 | kerio | CCCV charging |
| 15:53.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's basically unrealted to USB current |
| 15:53.17 | kerio | well, other than setting a maximum |
| 15:53.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | since A) USB is 5V, and B) the system is powered via USB too |
| 15:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | while CCCV is about *battery* current @ 3.0 .. 4.2V and that gets converted with a buck converter |
| 15:55.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | bq27200 has a USB current limit *and* a battery CC limit |
| 15:56.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | the latter is prolly higher than the former |
| 15:56.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~1.0 * 3.5 / 5 |
| 15:56.52 | infobot | 0.7 |
| 15:57.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | battery@1A = USB@0.7A ( / efficiency) |
| 15:57.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | when battery is 3V5 |
| 15:58.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus system consumption on top |
| 15:58.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | what we're talking here is USB current limit and that is unrelated to battery CC |
| 16:00.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((the one port in the universe that enforces current limits)) think of the billions of android phones with OTG |
| 16:01.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't want to charge from them, usually. But sure like hell you don't want to make VBUS break down when you attach N900 as gadget |
| 16:02.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and those are not required to provide >100mA |
| 16:02.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | though some do |
| 16:03.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | few do 500, pretty much none the (correctly stated) 0.9A |
| 16:04.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | is happy like a clam about the smart charger chip in Neo900 |
| 16:06.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed we went waaay OT |
| 16:07.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | /join #maemo |
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| 16:11.04 | kerio | yo DocScrutinizer05 |
| 16:11.08 | kerio | hows the neo900 doing |
| 16:11.24 | merlin1991 | kerio: ther's #neo900 for that ;) |
| 16:12.07 | kerio | o sorry for interrupting this conversation-packed channel |
| 16:12.10 | kerio | :^) |
| 16:13.11 | merlin1991 | yeah I mean, HOW DARE YOU |
| 16:13.11 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 16:13.57 | merlin1991 | goes and sets up ilews account |
| 16:14.33 | bencoh | :) |
| 16:16.27 | merlin1991 | ffs my priv key on win on this laptop is not allowed in |
| 16:16.27 | merlin1991 | reboots |
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| 20:19.05 | sicelo- | ilew will be cssu maintainer? |
| 20:46.55 | Pali | yes |
| 20:53.47 | sicelo- | awesome! |
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