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| 15:23.50 | badcloud | Hello all |
| 15:24.14 | badcloud | is the n900 supposed to answer/end calls by opening/closing hardware keyboard? |
| 15:24.38 | badcloud | I'm running Thumb Testing |
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| 15:40.57 | badcloud | Hi DrCode, Pali |
| 15:41.08 | Pali | badcloud: hi |
| 15:41.53 | badcloud | Do you guys know of it's possible to answer/end calls by opening/closing hardware keyboard? I'm running cssu thumb testing |
| 15:42.16 | Pali | do not know... |
| 15:42.38 | Pali | IIRC no such feature was added to CSSU |
| 15:43.25 | badcloud | thanks Pali |
| 15:43.53 | badcloud | in that case it would be a nice feature to have |
| 15:44.17 | badcloud | albiet I'm asking ~6-7 years late :) |
| 15:48.45 | bencoh | call-ui is closed-source ... I wonder if there'd be a clean way to implement it |
| 15:55.47 | Pali | some daemon |
| 15:56.12 | Pali | open/close keyboard event is sent via gpio-switch /sys/ interface |
| 15:56.31 | Pali | and IIRC answering call can be done via dbus |
| 15:56.38 | Pali | ending probably too |
| 15:57.18 | Pali | badcloud: but try to look at talk.maemo.org or in existing Maemo applications in Extras |
| 15:57.26 | Pali | maybe there is already some which can do that... |
| 15:58.39 | bencoh | wouldn't that conflict with rtcom-call-ui? (I have actually no idea) |
| 15:58.50 | Pali | why conflict? |
| 15:59.03 | Pali | call-ui provides some DBUS api |
| 15:59.10 | Pali | and you can use it |
| 15:59.11 | bencoh | well there is a slider app to answer calls, so you might be right |
| 15:59.18 | freemangordon | hi! |
| 15:59.30 | Pali | hi! |
| 15:59.38 | bencoh | ha in that case yeah, I thought dbus api was exposed by the underlying framework (rtcom_ |
| 15:59.41 | bencoh | hey o? |
| 15:59.42 | bencoh | o/ |
| 16:00.43 | freemangordon | Pali: did you think about leaving CSSU thumb-only? |
| 16:01.06 | Pali | I have no opinion... |
| 16:01.17 | Pali | basically I do not see any problem |
| 16:01.23 | freemangordon | well, I need support, not opinions :) |
| 16:01.36 | bencoh | you wanna switch CSSU to thumb? |
| 16:01.45 | freemangordon | the point is - I won't do it alone |
| 16:02.02 | Pali | I can help |
| 16:02.04 | Pali | as always |
| 16:02.05 | freemangordon | bencoh: no, I wanna keep further development on -thumb only |
| 16:02.33 | Pali | basically all github repos should be prepared for thumb |
| 16:02.33 | freemangordon | Pali: I know you can, the question is will you commit to it |
| 16:02.40 | bencoh | freemangordon: migrating -testing to -thumb, and backport changes to stable? |
| 16:03.07 | freemangordon | bencoh: no, freezing -stabe and -testing at the point where they are now |
| 16:03.15 | bencoh | hmm |
| 16:03.22 | freemangordon | everything new to be in -thumb only |
| 16:04.03 | freemangordon | bencoh: the reason behind that is the lack of manpower |
| 16:04.12 | freemangordon | as simple as that |
| 16:04.14 | bencoh | I guess you're only talking about cssu, not extras builder? |
| 16:04.28 | freemangordon | I have no powers ove extras builder |
| 16:04.31 | freemangordon | *over |
| 16:04.34 | bencoh | right |
| 16:04.50 | freemangordon | well, I *have* powers, but still :) |
| 16:04.55 | bencoh | and ... does everything work on cssu-thumb in the end? |
| 16:05.05 | freemangordon | most probably no |
| 16:05.33 | freemangordon | but it will be better than end where nothing works, no matter thumb or not |
| 16:05.45 | bencoh | true |
| 16:06.01 | freemangordon | bencoh: as everyday more and more stuff, esp online is not working anymore |
| 16:06.15 | bencoh | well I'd be happy to see -thumb hosted on maemo infra for a start, and a thumb build of -stable too |
| 16:06.33 | freemangordon | and who's going to to that? |
| 16:06.35 | bencoh | and you're right about manpower, so... |
| 16:06.38 | bencoh | no idea :) |
| 16:06.42 | freemangordon | see :) |
| 16:06.58 | bencoh | I'd be glad to help ... still need to grab a second device though |
| 16:08.33 | freemangordon | go ahead :). |
| 16:09.27 | freemangordon | TBH I need someone to driver the PR stuff - like TMO posting, release notes etc. Dvel stuff as well, ofc |
| 16:09.31 | freemangordon | *drive |
| 16:10.22 | bencoh | :) |
| 16:11.31 | bencoh | do we have an up-to-date list of open tasks? |
| 16:11.41 | bencoh | or something remotely close to that? |
| 16:11.42 | freemangordon | bencoh: no idea, honestly |
| 16:11.57 | freemangordon | in my TODO top priority is TLS |
| 16:12.00 | bencoh | I know maemo has a bugtracker, but err... |
| 16:12.04 | bencoh | what about TLS? |
| 16:12.25 | freemangordon | it is olde |
| 16:12.28 | freemangordon | *old |
| 16:12.33 | bencoh | ah you mean openssl |
| 16:12.41 | freemangordon | no, I meant TLS |
| 16:13.08 | freemangordon | gnutls |
| 16:13.13 | bencoh | ah, that one |
| 16:13.53 | bencoh | which parts of maemo depend on gnutls (and not openssl or libnss)? |
| 16:14.09 | freemangordon | yep. libsoup uses it, gstreamer-http uses libsoup :) |
| 16:14.29 | bencoh | I see |
| 16:14.32 | freemangordon | so soon we will have no https video playback ;) |
| 16:14.39 | bencoh | indeed |
| 16:15.27 | bencoh | hm I actually thought we didn't have https support in gstreamer thus far |
| 16:15.33 | freemangordon | we have |
| 16:15.47 | bencoh | did you check gnutls ABI? |
| 16:15.52 | freemangordon | cutetube uses it through Qt |
| 16:16.09 | freemangordon | bencoh: no, but do we have an option? |
| 16:16.27 | bencoh | yeah but ... who takes care of https? phonon through qtnetwork stuff, or gstreamer through libsoup? |
| 16:16.42 | freemangordon | gstreamer through libsoup |
| 16:16.48 | bencoh | hmmkay |
| 16:16.53 | freemangordon | and libsoup through gnutls |
| 16:17.27 | bencoh | souphttpsrc? |
| 16:17.43 | freemangordon | and for the fun to be full, newer gnutls wants newer glib2-0 :) |
| 16:17.51 | freemangordon | GstHttpSrc iirc |
| 16:20.16 | freemangordon | anyway, we can't stay on 2.24 forever |
| 16:22.10 | freemangordon | so, if somebody wants to help, call me :) |
| 16:23.46 | bencoh | I'm actually quite clueless regarding glib upgrade :/ |
| 16:24.20 | bencoh | I know quite a few projects need it, but ... newer releases really break ABI |
| 16:24.26 | freemangordon | what do you mean by saying clueless? |
| 16:24.39 | bencoh | I mean I dont really know what to do about it |
| 16:24.46 | freemangordon | yes I know ABI will be broken, but again - what are the options? |
| 16:25.16 | bencoh | how would we prevent closed-source core apps from breaking then? |
| 16:25.21 | Sicelo | would ike to help in non developer things (dunno about PR though) |
| 16:25.22 | freemangordon | in short - we will have to manage to build it in SB, this is |
| 16:25.54 | freemangordon | Sicelo: well, I use "PR" when I talk about ton-devel stuff :) |
| 16:26.00 | freemangordon | *non-devel |
| 16:26.48 | bencoh | freemangordon: do you mean patching recent glib to preserve old ABI, or build new vanilla glib and ship with 2 versions? |
| 16:26.51 | freemangordon | bencoh: we will either patch it, or do some LD_PRELOAD magic |
| 16:27.04 | bencoh | huhu, stop reading in my mind :D |
| 16:27.16 | Sicelo | then yes, ping me anytime |
| 16:27.35 | freemangordon | bencoh: either ways we'll have to forward-port maemo-specific patches, but there are just a couple of them |
| 16:28.02 | bencoh | yeah I'm not too afraid about maemo-specific patches |
| 16:28.28 | freemangordon | bencoh: the bigger problem will be with the dependencies, I wan't to try to avoid pulling half the debian (or ubuntu) packages in maemo, albeit it might become inevitable |
| 16:28.41 | bencoh | true |
| 16:29.05 | freemangordon | Sicelo: ok |
| 16:29.05 | bencoh | that's why I dont really wanna play with LD_PRELOAD /multiversioning |
| 16:29.21 | freemangordon | bencoh: I did some job recently, then stopped |
| 16:29.44 | bencoh | tbh the real solution here would be to remove/replace closed stuff, but... |
| 16:30.00 | freemangordon | see https://github.com/community-ssu, gmp and nettle |
| 16:30.09 | freemangordon | gnutls needs those |
| 16:30.17 | bencoh | you know better than me that it'd take quite a looong time |
| 16:30.43 | freemangordon | well, but sooner we start... |
| 16:31.05 | freemangordon | if we don;t start it, count maemo dead in 2 years or sooner |
| 16:31.53 | freemangordon | well, it is already dead, but refuses to admit it :). But if it stays like that... |
| 16:32.38 | freemangordon | also, maybe it is not that bad idea to start pulling stuff from alive distros |
| 16:34.15 | bencoh | what about trying to build maemo "from scratch" as suggested by doc? |
| 16:34.57 | bencoh | ie start with a blob-free base, and progressively add stuff? |
| 16:35.12 | freemangordon | this is another task, separate from cssu |
| 16:35.32 | bencoh | both would meet at some point |
| 16:35.42 | freemangordon | in a distant future, maybe |
| 16:35.43 | bencoh | we cant upgrade any of the core libs without breaking everything |
| 16:35.51 | freemangordon | why everything? |
| 16:36.00 | bencoh | every blob |
| 16:36.12 | bencoh | well, not everything, but every glib-dependent blob |
| 16:36.28 | freemangordon | we can;t be sure unless we try. at least we will know what needs to be fixed |
| 16:36.58 | bencoh | ah, sure you could start by breaking it and try to mend it :) |
| 16:37.11 | freemangordon | do you see any other option? |
| 16:37.54 | freemangordon | glib maemo uses is how old? 7 years? |
| 16:38.21 | freemangordon | we need to break the eggs |
| 16:38.29 | freemangordon | unless I am missing somethign |
| 16:39.34 | bencoh | iirc you updated glib to some 5yo version |
| 16:39.42 | freemangordon | this is in cssu, yes |
| 16:39.43 | bencoh | but yeah, still freaking old |
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| 16:40.25 | bencoh | 'kay .... any n900 to sell in your region of the world? :) |
| 16:40.43 | freemangordon | bencoh: you're in europe? |
| 16:42.32 | freemangordon | bencoh: you'd better ask on TMO |
| 16:44.27 | bencoh | I no longer live in europe but can still have it delivered there |
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| 18:47.38 | badcloud | bencoh: which slider app? |
| 18:49.16 | Sicelo | dunno the application, but https://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Answer_current_phone_call |
| 18:51.30 | Sicelo | (otoh if open keyboard to take call was to be implemented, i'd hope it would be not mandatory ... i personally don't like the idea so well. i understand it would help in borked TS situation maybe) |
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| 19:35.36 | badcloud | none of my installed menu apps are showing up in thumb testing, tried "killall hildon-status-menu" but nothing shows up except for "clocks, profile, connection and bt" |
| 19:35.41 | badcloud | any ideas? |
| 19:36.44 | Sicelo | reinstall them? |
| 19:36.54 | Sicelo | what are menu apps by the way? |
| 19:44.45 | badcloud | as-status,flashlight,fmtx,slide2answer,tweakr |
| 19:44.50 | badcloud | and the usual |
| 19:46.23 | Sicelo | reinstall them .. or check /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/status_area_load_applet.desktop |
| 19:46.34 | Sicelo | i mean .. /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/ |
| 19:49.19 | badcloud | checked, they're all there |
| 19:52.42 | Sicelo | borked system :-) |
| 19:52.44 | Sicelo | reboot? |
| 20:04.19 | badcloud | I'll try |
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| 20:50.06 | badcloud | Sicelo: I removed maemo-statusmenu-fmtx, rebooted, reinstalled, killall hildon-status-menu, still no new menu item |
| 20:52.05 | badcloud | everything looks fine in /etc/hildon-desktop/status-menu.plugins |
| 21:01.55 | badcloud | would it be inadvisable to reinstall hildon-status-menu? |
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