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| 19:41.18 | sunweaver | 21:35 < sunweaver> I am a Debian developer and I would like to help out with packaging for Neo900/N900. Where is the right place to get in tocuh??? |
| 19:41.38 | kerio | merlin1991: yo |
| 19:41.45 | sunweaver | just posted the above on #neo900 and #maemo and got directed here! |
| 19:42.12 | sunweaver | questions: |
| 19:42.52 | sunweaver | how to set up a build env? (I guess you don't build packages on N900 devies but in qemubuilder or such, right?) |
| 19:43.09 | kerio | scratchbox |
| 19:43.13 | sunweaver | who can sponsor uploads? |
| 19:44.33 | sunweaver | kerio: scratchbox2, I assume. |
| 19:44.53 | sunweaver | any setup howto targetting N900 builds? |
| 19:44.56 | kerio | as a reference, you can grab the ubuntu 12.something VM with scratchbox preinstalled |
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| 19:45.23 | kerio | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ |
| 19:45.35 | sunweaver | ihhhh... vmware... |
| 19:45.41 | kerio | lol nvm it's like ubuntu 8 |
| 19:46.25 | kerio | no wait, it's karmic |
| 19:46.31 | bencoh | sunweaver: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation :-) |
| 19:46.40 | sunweaver | urgh, that lost support a while back... |
| 19:46.48 | ZetaR | sunweaver: This page on the Wiki might be helpful: https://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide |
| 19:46.56 | kerio | "that lost support a while back" - maemo fremantle in a nutshell |
| 19:46.59 | bencoh | sunweaver: do you want to package "vanilla" debian packages, or maemo ? |
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| 19:47.27 | stryngs | sunweaver: You could take the leap, and just package natively like i do =) |
| 19:47.47 | sunweaver | I want to help with getting security stuff fixed in Maemo first of all. |
| 19:48.10 | sunweaver | I also work on Debian LTS (squeeze), so the work flow should be similar. |
| 19:48.18 | bencoh | oh <3 |
| 19:48.27 | sunweaver | is there a security tracker for Maemo? I guess not... |
| 19:48.28 | bencoh | indeed |
| 19:48.37 | stryngs | sunweaver: Just cause we're rocking "OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-6.maemo5, OpenSSL 0.9.8n 24 Mar 2010 |
| 19:48.41 | stryngs | Doesn't mean we're insecure |
| 19:48.53 | bencoh | stryngs: we have a more recent openssl ;) |
| 19:48.54 | stryngs | is currently attempting a 7.0 build |
| 19:49.01 | bencoh | in cssu-testing |
| 19:49.12 | stryngs | bencoh: version? |
| 19:49.13 | bencoh | stryngs: we (used to) have a bugtracker, dunno if it's still used |
| 19:49.27 | bencoh | stryngs: latest 0.9.8 iirc, or something close |
| 19:49.29 | sunweaver | hmmhmmmhmmm... |
| 19:49.33 | bencoh | 0.9.8z* |
| 19:49.43 | stryngs | nice |
| 19:49.52 | stryngs | but still not ssh above 5.1? |
| 19:50.04 | sunweaver | I am currently on vacation and fiddled with my N900... |
| 19:50.07 | bencoh | sunweaver: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU regarding cssu |
| 19:50.21 | sunweaver | I will get back to you guys in a week or two when back at work. |
| 19:50.41 | sunweaver | meanwhile I wil study the provided URLs, thanks!!! |
| 19:50.46 | bencoh | stryngs: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 (11.04.2015) / Upgrade to upstream 0.9.8zf + maemo patches |
| 19:51.06 | bencoh | sunweaver: I'm not a cssu dev, but I'm pretty sure you're more than welcome :-) |
| 19:52.00 | sunweaver | can you give me some devs' names/nicks? (or can people raise their fingers?) |
| 19:52.31 | stryngs | sunweaver: Also, you should know. For you to build stuff. you'll have to 'optify' it |
| 19:52.34 | stryngs | Which sucks |
| 19:52.49 | bencoh | sunweaver: freemangordon (offline at the moment), merlin1991, Pali |
| 19:53.22 | bencoh | stryngs: that's a minor issue since we have some magic hooks to take care of that :-) |
| 19:53.25 | bencoh | but yeah |
| 19:53.33 | stryngs | bencoh: Yeah, but I can't magically dpkg -i a .deb with maemo |
| 19:53.41 | stryngs | And that's just sad. |
| 19:53.48 | stryngs | imho, the file system should be redone |
| 19:54.29 | stryngs | i.e. |
| 19:54.30 | stryngs | http://termbin.com/nuez |
| 19:54.36 | stryngs | http://termbin.com/0ug9 |
| 19:54.38 | stryngs | Much cleaner |
| 19:54.48 | stryngs | and I can dpkg -i any .deb without needing any special "hooks" |
| 19:57.22 | ZetaR | stryngs: Any chance of getting the filesystem layout fixed with the recent rebuild efforts for the Neo900? |
| 19:57.53 | sunweaver | what package repo are you guys using? |
| 19:58.15 | sunweaver | Getting the filesystem more FHS-like is probably a good thing to do? |
| 19:58.31 | kerio | ZetaR: but backwards compatibiiiiiility |
| 19:58.59 | sunweaver | ok, afk now again... |
| 19:59.08 | ZetaR | kerio: But interoperabiliiiiiiiitty. =) |
| 19:59.15 | kerio | sunweaver: original nokia one + extras-devel + community-testing |
| 19:59.25 | sunweaver | let me know the repo URLs for bleeding edge packages, please, so I can take a look. |
| 19:59.39 | sunweaver | sources.list lines??? |
| 19:59.49 | bencoh | sunweaver: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/ |
| 20:00.11 | bencoh | for bleeding-edge cssu-specific packages |
| 20:00.34 | sunweaver | ok... |
| 20:00.40 | stryngs | ZetaR: No idea for neo900, since people will use maemo on it, and most people don't care, i doubt things would change. |
| 20:00.47 | bencoh | (I guess you dont need the usual disclaimer about burning house and dying dog ;) |
| 20:01.13 | sunweaver | no |
| 20:01.24 | sunweaver | going afk... thamks! |
| 20:01.29 | bencoh | :-) |
| 20:01.36 | bencoh | cya |
| 20:01.47 | sixwheeledbeast | sunweaver: check out #maemo-ssu BTW that where the devs hang |
| 20:02.30 | ZetaR | stryngs: Is the layout with opt deeply integrated into Maemo then, or is it a matter of already ported applications? |
| 20:02.35 | sixwheeledbeast | facepalms |
| 20:03.09 | sixwheeledbeast | looking at wrong tab |
| 20:03.48 | stryngs | ZetaR: It would be a matter of the community as a whole, realizing that the current layout for the n900 sucks, and then agreeing on a common filesystem layout regarding NAND 30gb and 2gb hdd |
| 20:04.23 | bencoh | ZetaR: afaiu compat with quite a few apps (including old closed-source non-free ones) |
| 20:04.47 | bencoh | stryngs: we all know it "sucks" |
| 20:06.18 | stryngs | bencoh: I just wish the cssu switchover process was a little bit easier to understand, and could be done 100% offline |
| 20:06.41 | ZetaR | I see. It just seems like a new device is a good opportunity to switch it around; an opportunity which may not come again soon. |
| 20:07.37 | stryngs | ZetaR: Well, you have many options to choose from, it's just the cssu community "holds" sway over the masses for the most part |
| 20:30.37 | stryngs | Does anyone know, if upgrading Libxml2 2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5, will break the system? |
| 20:54.45 | stryngs | Can someone confirm if deb http://repository.maemo.org/community/ fremantle free non-free is proper cssu repo? |
| 21:28.14 | merlin1991 | stryngs: yep it is |
| 21:28.21 | merlin1991 | being cssu-stable |
| 21:30.37 | stryngs | Thank u merlin1991 |
| 21:30.45 | stryngs | I'm attempting something I have not yet done before |
| 21:30.53 | stryngs | Call it a poorman's cssu upgrade =) |
| 21:31.13 | stryngs | Hopefully, the phone still works. We shall see..... |
| 21:47.08 | sixwheeledbeast | eh? |
| 21:48.47 | stryngs | I'm doing a poor-man's cssu upgrade |
| 21:48.53 | stryngs | It shall be interesting sixwheeledbeast |
| 21:49.10 | sixwheeledbeast | why poormans? |
| 21:50.22 | stryngs | Because I'm not following the directions |
| 21:50.29 | stryngs | I simply added the repo and did apt-get upgrade |
| 21:51.07 | stryngs | I prefer offline installs, so I capture .debs, record their hash for verification, and then if i need to rebuild, i don't have to have an internet connection. |
| 21:51.39 | stryngs | Recently, I was working with lxml, and needed libxml2 updated. Turns out, cssu has it. So, I took the plunge, to see what would happen |
| 21:52.02 | sixwheeledbeast | I don't see why you don't install normally? |
| 21:52.19 | stryngs | sixwheeledbeast: I like an offline install. Normal way requires online |
| 21:52.30 | stryngs | sixwheeledbeast: Amongst other things as well |
| 21:52.51 | stryngs | The phone hasn't crashed yet, so this is a good sign =) |
| 21:53.25 | stryngs | sixwheeledbeast: I keep copies of every .deb for each system of mine. |
| 21:54.36 | sixwheeledbeast | well pull the .debs from the repo to yours. |
| 21:59.15 | stryngs | It's not even that; i prefer a truly, offline version =) I don't mind using someone else's repo, but i want the .debs on my hdd for use/inspection if i need them |
| 21:59.35 | bencoh | just use apt-mirror .... |
| 22:00.06 | bencoh | or apt-cache-ng if you want to cache on the fly, or whatever |
| 22:00.30 | stryngs | Alright, .debs finished.. |
| 22:00.34 | stryngs | Reboot baby! |
| 22:00.51 | stryngs | ya'ay |
| 22:00.55 | stryngs | Tis not a brick |
| 22:00.58 | stryngs | Promising! |
| 22:01.21 | bencoh | anyway, this is probably not the right chan |
| 22:02.12 | stryngs | Good job cssu folks =) Your "stable" version, does indeed work with ALL n900s, even mine. |
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