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| 06:51.01 | ryukafalz | Hey - as someone who does not yet own an N900 (but would like to)... are security updates typically made available for preinstalled software through CSSU? |
| 06:51.12 | ryukafalz | Just curious how maintained it is these days |
| 06:53.01 | freemangordon | ryukafalz: see the changelog of yesterday's update |
| 06:54.15 | ryukafalz | Oh, whoops, how did I miss that on the wiki page... awesome :) |
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| 07:09.28 | kerio | ryukafalz: in the limits of what a handful of people can do |
| 07:09.43 | ryukafalz | understandable |
| 07:10.01 | kerio | also, expect libraries to be at debian oldoldstable releases |
| 07:10.14 | ryukafalz | ah, heh |
| 07:10.36 | kerio | because ABI |
| 07:10.53 | ryukafalz | it looks like the kernel is pre-3.0 as well, proprietary drivers? |
| 07:11.02 | kerio | eyup |
| 07:11.15 | kerio | i think the main problem is the 3d graphics |
| 07:11.22 | ryukafalz | dang ODMs :( |
| 07:11.38 | kerio | afaik, both Pali and freemangordon got 3.x to run |
| 07:11.49 | kerio | but upgrading the kernel like that is beyond the scope of CSSU |
| 07:12.04 | ryukafalz | yeah |
| 07:12.23 | ryukafalz | hwaccel I think I could live without if the DE were lightweight enough |
| 07:12.52 | kerio | hildon-desktop is a compositing wm |
| 07:12.57 | ryukafalz | ah, dang |
| 07:13.17 | ryukafalz | surely one could run another wm though? |
| 07:13.30 | kerio | sure |
| 07:13.48 | kerio | but you lose in UX |
| 07:13.51 | ryukafalz | yeah |
| 07:13.55 | kerio | hildon-desktop is REALLY good |
| 07:14.27 | ryukafalz | I suppose getting hardware accel would require reverse engineering the binary drivers? |
| 07:15.01 | freemangordon | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1459970&postcount=142 |
| 07:15.03 | freemangordon | ;) |
| 07:15.33 | ryukafalz | that ain't no N900 :P |
| 07:15.47 | ryukafalz | Neo900 looks awesome though |
| 07:15.55 | ryukafalz | just a *bit* out of my price range |
| 07:16.00 | freemangordon | ryukafalz: this *IS* N900 |
| 07:16.08 | ryukafalz | ...oh, wait what? |
| 07:16.26 | kerio | also notice the striked sim card icon |
| 07:16.34 | ryukafalz | I saw the thread, but now I see the device name |
| 07:16.37 | ryukafalz | heh |
| 07:16.46 | freemangordon | kerio: that's because there is no SIMcard :) |
| 07:16.49 | kerio | k |
| 07:16.54 | kerio | so does everything work |
| 07:16.58 | freemangordon | no |
| 07:17.16 | freemangordon | audio, cameras and some other things are broken |
| 07:17.43 | freemangordon | oh, and upstreap removed DSP driver |
| 07:17.49 | freemangordon | *upstream |
| 07:18.08 | kerio | rip dsp |
| 07:18.16 | freemangordon | kerio: but things are getting better |
| 07:18.30 | freemangordon | no, why RIP it, the source code is still there |
| 07:18.32 | kerio | ryukafalz: also don't expect a modern gecko |
| 07:18.43 | ryukafalz | wasn't counting on it heh |
| 07:18.56 | kerio | the default browser is old, and there's at most a firefox... 17? |
| 07:19.03 | freemangordon | 24 |
| 07:19.06 | freemangordon | or 23 |
| 07:19.10 | kerio | k |
| 07:19.12 | ryukafalz | I don't even touch web browsers most of the time on my phone tbh |
| 07:19.15 | kerio | it's not that bad, it's got websockets |
| 07:19.25 | ryukafalz | more important is messaging, and maemo is wonderful for that :) |
| 07:20.00 | freemangordon | well, microb is not that bad, just don;t feed him with those new heavy sites my desktop struggles with |
| 07:20.13 | kerio | you really need a better desktop, fmg |
| 07:20.15 | kerio | buy a mac! |
| 07:20.17 | kerio | they're pretty |
| 07:20.21 | freemangordon | you mad bro? |
| 07:20.32 | freemangordon | what's next, iPhone? |
| 07:20.36 | ryukafalz | uses a mac for work... they're pretty but lacking in functionality :P |
| 07:20.39 | kerio | nah, macs are good |
| 07:20.43 | kerio | are they |
| 07:21.14 | freemangordon | anyway, back to BB |
| 07:21.37 | ryukafalz | I miss the niceties of my Linux desktops, e.g. easily switching playing audio streams between output devices |
| 07:21.58 | ryukafalz | especially when I'm on a thunderbolt display and I would really rather that music play out of my headphones rather than the display speakers |
| 07:23.02 | ryukafalz | I'm sure there are third-party applications that would do that for me, but it Just Works⢠on Linux w/ PulseAudio |
| 07:23.07 | kerio | lol pulseaudio |
| 07:23.11 | kerio | freemangordon: lol |
| 07:23.13 | kerio | lol! |
| 07:23.28 | ryukafalz | hey it's not nearly as buggy as it used to be :P |
| 07:24.32 | merlin1991 | yeah but pulse on maemo has been a very special friend to us ;) |
| 07:24.42 | freemangordon | and it still is |
| 07:25.24 | ryukafalz | ooh boy heh |
| 07:25.55 | freemangordon | the problem is there are 3 closed blobs made by Nokia |
| 07:26.11 | ryukafalz | =/ |
| 07:26.26 | ryukafalz | are those pulseaudio modules? |
| 07:26.31 | freemangordon | 2 of them felt down in the RE battle, but the most important one still stands (the voice module) |
| 07:26.56 | ryukafalz | voice module? what's that responsible for? |
| 07:27.10 | ryukafalz | (don't say voice :P) |
| 07:27.18 | freemangordon | yes, voice :P |
| 07:27.39 | freemangordon | the telephony stuff (aec etc) |
| 07:27.53 | ryukafalz | ah, okay |
| 07:28.47 | ryukafalz | recent versions of pulse have an aec module from webrtc - would it be possible to replace nokia's blob with other existing modules? |
| 07:29.20 | freemangordon | ryukafalz: well, and how you gonna parametrize it? |
| 07:31.08 | freemangordon | you know those algos need to be fed with some data for the physical characteristics of the device. afaik |
| 07:31.24 | ryukafalz | oh, hmm |
| 07:32.29 | freemangordon | an ex-nokia used to work wth that PA stuff said that even with the labs they had in Nokia, it was exptremely hard to fine-tune the parameters |
| 07:32.38 | ryukafalz | found this on the pulseaudio wiki for the echo cancel module... very encouraging :P - " |
| 07:32.41 | ryukafalz | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.45 | freemangordon | see |
| 07:32.54 | ryukafalz | yeah |
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| 12:10.33 | neal | I just reflashed (the eMMC and PR1.3). |
| 12:10.50 | neal | I tried to install css-thumb |
| 12:11.24 | neal | but there are errors |
| 12:11.37 | neal | In application manager, I have pending updates |
| 12:11.55 | neal | e.g., libqtm-bearer 1.0.02-maemo4+0m5+0ccsu1+thumb1 |
| 12:12.17 | neal | But it's not installable |
| 12:12.46 | neal | it conflicts with libqt4-openql (4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0m5) |
| 12:13.39 | neal | The installation guide says to make sure "nokia and extras" are enabled. |
| 12:13.47 | neal | (https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb#Installation) |
| 12:13.55 | neal | But the nokia repos don't work |
| 12:13.58 | neal | perhaps that is the problem |
| 12:14.01 | neal | are there replacements? |
| 12:14.48 | neal | (Yes, I've searched) |
| 12:16.13 | bencoh | wait, what ? |
| 12:16.17 | bencoh | which repo ? |
| 12:18.26 | neal | bencoh, downloads.maemo.nokia.org/fremantle/ssu/apps |
| 12:18.43 | neal | bencoh, and downloads.maemo.nokia.org/fremantle/ssu/mr0 |
| 12:18.55 | neal | they both return an error for me |
| 12:19.17 | neal | s/org/com/ |
| 12:19.49 | bencoh | a gnupg/openpgp error (expired key) ? |
| 12:21.35 | neal | Accessing the URLs in my browser shows "Invalid URL" |
| 12:21.41 | neal | So I don't think that is the problem |
| 12:24.57 | bencoh | oh fuck |
| 12:25.02 | bencoh | apt-get says err 400 |
| 12:25.11 | neal | yes |
| 12:27.30 | bencoh | http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=d422f4c29 |
| 12:27.47 | bencoh | now that sucks |
| 12:30.20 | neal | does cssu-thumb require just the extras repo or also the extras-devel repo? |
| 12:34.16 | bencoh | it most probably doesnt need extras-devel, as extras-devel is supposed to be a -devel repo :) |
| 12:35.44 | neal | I recall that no transitions from devel to testing to stable were occurring for a while |
| 12:36.05 | neal | I'm pleasantly surprised that things have improved |
| 12:37.44 | bencoh | extras and cssu are two different things |
| 12:38.02 | neal | I know. But the cssu install guide says to enable the extras repo |
| 12:38.09 | neal | so extras is apparently a dependency |
| 12:38.27 | bencoh | I wonder why ... kernel, maybe |
| 12:39.19 | bencoh | (you need a "recent" kernel with a workaround to the omap3/thumb2 bug) |
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| 13:07.50 | merlin1991 | cssu never needs extras |
| 13:08.49 | merlin1991 | but cssu-thumb requires cssu-testing, and cssu-testing in turn has some dependencies on stuff in the nokia repos |
| 13:09.22 | merlin1991 | neal: is the csu-testing catalogue enabled? |
| 13:15.14 | neal | merlin1991, yes |
| 13:15.26 | neal | Oh, no |
| 13:15.30 | neal | csu-testing is not enabled |
| 13:15.50 | neal | merlin1991, Are you aware of any mirrors of the nokia repos? |
| 13:16.36 | bencoh | I have a partial mirror (no ovi, no "regional" stuff) |
| 13:18.51 | neal | well if the noka repos contain hard dependencies then it makes sense to put up a mirror somewhere |
| 13:18.58 | neal | I doubt MS will send a take down |
| 13:19.04 | neal | given that Maemo is dead to them |
| 13:21.11 | neal | Is it no longer possible to edit the wiki? |
| 13:21.29 | neal | I logged into my old account, but I don't see a way to edit a page. |
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| 13:40.25 | merlin1991 | it should be possible |
| 13:40.39 | merlin1991 | neal: which page are you trying to edit? |
| 13:50.33 | neal | merlin1991, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware |
| 13:51.07 | merlin1991 | hm seems like the page is locked |
| 13:51.07 | merlin1991 | I can't edit it either |
| 13:54.12 | stevenm | neal, are you perhaps putting links to firmware that work on it? :P |
| 13:57.00 | neal | stevenm, http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/index.html?hc_location=ufi |
| 13:57.04 | neal | you mean like that one? |
| 13:58.38 | stevenm | yeah |
| 14:03.59 | stevenm | i can't seem to find a download for PR 1.3.1 |
| 14:06.39 | stevenm | I'd like to find RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1.203.1_PR_203_ARM.bin |
| 14:06.44 | stevenm | the latest PR 1.3.1 UK release |
| 14:07.44 | stevenm | wonders if he has it at phone |
| 14:07.49 | stevenm | *home |
| 14:20.54 | stevenm | nope |
| 14:21.18 | stevenm | anyone have RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1.203.1_PR_203 ? |
| 14:23.30 | stevenm | neal, have found the 1.3.1 global release though - http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 14:31.01 | merlin1991 | 1.3.1 is not exactly necessary if you install cssu |
| 14:31.25 | merlin1991 | 1.3 -> 1.3.1 is just an update for ssl certs (digicert breach) and is also included in cssu |
| 14:31.58 | stevenm | fair enough |
| 14:32.43 | stevenm | i take it what's left of the maemo cssu team - are the only people working on hildon in the slightest these days? |
| 14:32.58 | stevenm | and even then not very much |
| 14:33.02 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 14:33.17 | merlin1991 | tbh we're almost as big as always |
| 14:33.23 | merlin1991 | we always had 2-3 core devs |
| 14:33.34 | stevenm | i'd love to see another hildon/debian mobile OS - if not a rebirth of maemo on to other handsets |
| 14:33.52 | merlin1991 | thing is, libx and gtk2 |
| 14:34.18 | stevenm | right but MATE have managed to continue gnome2 - they have a migration path to gtk3 |
| 14:34.33 | merlin1991 | there is cordia which ported hildon to gtk3, but we are still 100% dependent on X11 |
| 14:34.49 | merlin1991 | which rules out ie mer as a base |
| 14:34.55 | merlin1991 | because that went the wayland path |
| 14:34.59 | stevenm | oooh didn't know about cordia |
| 14:35.12 | stevenm | *cough* *uck mer - sorry i'm not a fan |
| 14:35.15 | stevenm | i like my .deb base |
| 14:35.23 | merlin1991 | tbh it's funky |
| 14:35.30 | merlin1991 | .deb has the better tools on the repo side |
| 14:35.47 | merlin1991 | .rpm has the better tools for packaging / building |
| 14:36.39 | stevenm | and working with the linux foundation / intel - hasn't exactly bore much fruit, two dead projects and counting |
| 14:36.40 | stevenm | https://github.com/Cordia = cordia? |
| 14:36.57 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 14:36.59 | merlin1991 | also http://cordiahd.org/ |
| 14:37.12 | stevenm | that's nice :) |
| 14:37.19 | merlin1991 | but dead ... |
| 14:37.35 | stevenm | ooh it's really nice to see someone is carrying ... oh :( ... *WAS* carrying this on |
| 14:38.25 | stevenm | perhaps cordia could be a replacement UI for the Unity on Ubuntu Phone OS |
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| 14:42.22 | stevenm | merlin1991, any ideas what qildon is? |
| 14:42.28 | merlin1991 | nope |
| 14:42.43 | stevenm | i think it might be hildon but with qt |
| 14:42.55 | stevenm | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gNCP4fmNug |
| 14:43.14 | stevenm | https://launchpad.net/~cordia-team/+archive/ubuntu/qildon |
| 14:44.53 | merlin1991 | btw from cordia devel http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.cordia.devel/324 |
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| 18:46.35 | neal | merlin1991, Why not gta04? |
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| 19:25.52 | merlin1991 | neal: I'm not exactly following, what do you mean? |
| 19:30.38 | neal | merlin1991, The gta04 is possibly reasonable hardware for Maemo. |
| 19:30.52 | neal | merlin1991, There's obviously the neo900 project, which is based on the gta04 |
| 19:31.09 | neal | but the gta04 exists today |
| 19:31.17 | merlin1991 | yeah only that the n900 > gta04 |
| 19:31.49 | neal | The gta04 has linux 4.0 :) |
| 19:35.03 | sixwheeledbeast | but missing the features of the N900 |
| 19:36.57 | neal | of course |
| 19:39.13 | M4rtinK | IIRC Neo900 should have a bit better hardware than the GTA04 |
| 19:39.19 | M4rtinK | more RAM, etc. |
| 19:39.30 | M4rtinK | but more by much but still :) |
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