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| 10:57.14 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: it's out now: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1430952 |
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| 15:53.35 | freemangordon | merlin1991: thanks! |
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| 21:34.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | "decide on what's going into Stable..." hmm, seems that offers more freedom than there actually is |
| 21:36.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe better reword that to "find out what may go into Stable, based on the paradigm of Stable and the tests that a particular package has passed..." |
| 22:03.13 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: the maintainer has the ultimate end word, he/she "decides" whatever independend of all other opinions because only the maintainer has the upload rights ... |
| 22:09.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but to *become* maintainer you need a thorough understanding about the limitations in your free choice |
| 22:10.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | as in "Stable is well defined as the tested and bugfree version of Trsting" |
| 22:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not like the maintainer has the free choice to redefine this, by packing into Stable whatever s/he feels would be leete stuff to get in |
| 22:11.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | one *pretty* obvious rule: Stable packages are ex-Testing packages |
| 22:12.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | no package goes into Stable that not been tasted in Testing before |
| 22:12.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | tested* |
| 22:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | tasted is also fine ;-) |
| 22:13.30 | bencoh | Tasty-ng ? :) |
| 22:16.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus the degrees of freedom in any decision the Stable maintainer does are quite defined and limited |
| 22:16.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | the tmo post sounds a tad different |
| 22:19.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe "... decides on go/nogo for any packages the CSSU team suggests for inclusion to Stable, based on reports about results of testing that s/he gathers from CSSU team as well as users of CSSU-T" |
| 22:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd feel better when *you* had the ultimate word in all CSSU, rather than two independent maintainers competing who's got the... long... err leeter ideas |
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| 22:22.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | in a team you need a clear hierarchy, even when it doesn't take effect in day to day business |
| 22:23.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't want to see CSSU-S drift away from CSSU-T |
| 22:25.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and actually this also somewhat mitigates the qualification requirements, since CSSU-S maintainer regularly only needs to duplicate what already been done for CSSU-T |
| 22:27.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the "decision" is manly just *when* to do this copy |
| 22:27.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | mainly* |
| 22:29.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and on this decision it feels natural in my book when CSSU-S maintainer decides but CSSU-* chief maintainer has a veto in that (the latter being you obviously) |
| 22:30.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | we had it this way when chemist took over maintentance of CSSU-S, iirc |
| 22:33.13 | kerio | i'll do it! first thing: cp -r cssu-testing/* cssu-thumb/* cssu-stable |
| 22:33.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly what I'm concerned about. Thanks kerio ;-) |
| 22:34.23 | kerio | let it be on record that DocScrutinizer05 refused my offer of my services and expertise |
| 22:35.15 | kerio | i have a question, actually |
| 22:35.43 | kerio | can't we make cssu-stable be the cssu-testing of 2 major versions before? |
| 22:36.09 | kerio | kinda like debian does |
| 22:36.42 | merlin1991 | nope |
| 22:36.57 | merlin1991 | because ie qt h-d and other depend on each other |
| 22:37.02 | merlin1991 | since like 3 releases |
| 22:37.03 | merlin1991 | but |
| 22:37.07 | merlin1991 | we have known bugs ... |
| 22:37.44 | merlin1991 | kerio: if you feel up to the task, suggest yourself |
| 22:41.53 | merlin1991 | or rather volunteer yourself |
| 22:47.21 | merlin1991 | personally I fear nobody is going to show up, which isn't so bad in theory, because since t7 I keep the files, so I can just pick the right files, make a new metapackage and write a changelog to fulfill the minimum requirements, but I'd still rather see a dedicated maintainer ... |
| 22:49.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sits in front of his magic caldron, trowing in chunks of meritocracy, anacho-syndicalism, a few drops of true pure democracy, and evil dark bitter incense straight from Shanghai, in a futile effort to match the flavor of what's keeping CSSU running |
| 22:51.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe a few drops chaos? |
| 22:51.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 22:51.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah much closer already |
| 22:53.14 | merlin1991 | ;-) |
| 22:57.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://img.welt.de/img/reise/crop108536582/571872134-ci3x2l-w620/Bei-Asterix-und-Obelix-wird-jetzt-auch-saeggssch-gesprochen.jpg |
| 22:58.08 | bencoh | zomg, german asterix :/ |
| 22:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Wu5IFDEDZhQ/UBaPLnsA3UI/AAAAAAAAAYo/xUKgp_o1HVw/s1600/59f59b37-59b3-4c94-a7c2-bc0fb834ec92.jpg |
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