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| 15:32.58 | mario | hey everyone, I just got a boot loop on cssu-thumb install on a fresh clean flashed n900 |
| 15:33.39 | mario | I also tried closing keyboard and disconnecting the usb cable, and removing battery, but its the same... |
| 15:43.23 | mario | flashed to stock fw, trying with cssu-testing instead of thumb, oh well |
| 15:47.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty normal case of "boot between flashing combined and flashing vanilla" |
| 15:47.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 15:47.45 | infobot | hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 15:48.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#the_complete_foolproof_procedure |
| 15:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you simply flasged standard kernel to a thumbified system |
| 15:48.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | flashed* |
| 15:49.34 | mario | i flashed stock vanilla/combined, and then just went to .install file at first boot |
| 15:50.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask freemangordon, I never wrapped my head around how's thumbified system gonna get installed/re-installed |
| 15:51.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | a thumbified userland is *known* to 100% go bonkers when booted from a non-thumbified kernel |
| 15:51.53 | mario | hmm, well, I figured install should go fine if one has a stock system, and I got one because i flashed both emmc and system with two images from nokia |
| 15:52.55 | mario | hmm, you might be on to something, I did not install anything prior to starting the cssu-thumb.install file, so there was no power kernel or anything |
| 15:54.08 | mario | lets see if cssu-testing goes any further.. its installing |
| 15:55.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | until eventually we get a thumbified COMBINED fiasco image to flash a genuine thumb system, I don't consider css-thumb as ready for primetime for "normal users" |
| 15:56.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | installing cssu-testing will NOT roll back thumbification for all I know |
| 15:56.59 | mario | well i flashed back stock nokia fiasco images, cssu-testing should work fine on that |
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| 15:57.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 15:57.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu-thumb |
| 15:57.20 | infobot | from memory, cssu-thumb is <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb |
| 15:57.22 | mario | and if boot loop on thumb is only due to kernel pre-requisite, this should easily be fixed |
| 15:58.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb#Installation the matching kernel should get installed |
| 16:00.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | a `uname -a` after cssu-thumb installation (*before* next boot which possibly loops) should tell clearly if you got a thumb-enabled kernel or not |
| 16:01.08 | mario | if its included in the "maemo 5 community ssu package"... |
| 16:01.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel? nope |
| 16:01.57 | mario | thats it then, kernel is never offered when 'update all' shows up |
| 16:02.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU by default doesn't touch the kernel |
| 16:02.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb#Installation |
| 16:03.07 | mario | "If you have kernel-power v51r1 or above, no custom kernel will be installed, as needed errata workaround is now included in kernel-power." |
| 16:03.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-thumb somehow installs own kernel when no powerkernel got installed already |
| 16:04.21 | mario | well that sentence implies that cssu-thumb install also grabs kernel, but I am unsure of that, because it goes into boot loop before i could check uname -a |
| 16:04.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas the test for "installed powerkernel" is not trivial and - in my book - not exactly done the right way |
| 16:05.26 | mario | yeah, i figured as much, well... its not a problem installing a power kernel as a pre-requisite, if only this was mentioned somewhere, i figured one would get pulled automatically :P |
| 16:05.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask freemangordon, I have no idea what cssu-thumb actually got tested for |
| 16:05.57 | mario | hmm cssu-testing boots fine :) |
| 16:06.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | it *should* pull a cssu-thumb specific kernel when no power-kernel got installed already |
| 16:06.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I however am not sure +anybody* testing this feature on a regular basis |
| 16:07.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet usually testers of cssu-thumb have powerkernel installed already, when installing or updating cssu-thumb |
| 16:07.44 | mario | yeah, probably |
| 16:08.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have a hard time to imagine that somebody does a complete cssu-thumb installation on stock N900 system every time a new version of cssu-thumb gets released |
| 16:08.43 | mario | i suppose before installing cssu-thumb, but after running install, i should manualy install kernel jsut to make sure |
| 16:09.01 | mario | yeah, probably not, i just had my n900 sitting on a desk, i figured i would bring it up to speed :) |
| 16:09.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | and *usually* users switch to cssu-thumb long after they familiarized and used/installed KP and even cssu-testing |
| 16:10.02 | bencoh | which is too bad because then they usually have to reinstall (migrating from cssu to cssu-thumb) ;) |
| 16:10.23 | mario | i had it before, but it was long time ago, fresh install looked like a nice way to start, but yeah, since cssu-testing works fine, i will clean flash it once more, and try pulling thumb kernel before cssu-thumb is installed |
| 16:10.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest you go fullflash->KP->cssu-testing->cssu-thumb |
| 16:10.52 | mario | i will skip cssu-testing in that ^ |
| 16:11.10 | mario | it somehow seems pointless |
| 16:11.40 | mario | full flash -> kp -> cssu-thumb shuld work out considering what we came up so far |
| 16:16.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: before auto-rebooting system after/during cssu-thumb installation, you OUGHT check if there's *really* a thumb-enabled kernel. Otherwise you better not boot but pop up a big warning notifier "ATTENTION, your one step from DOOM! Installing of kernel failed, thumb support missing!" |
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| 16:17.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're* |
| 16:23.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually you need a cascaded script hooking in to first-boot script infra which 1) first checks and - if needed - installs kernel, then reboots to start that kernel. If check at 1) shows that thumb-kernel is running, the script (no matter if invoked by user or by first-boot) replaces itself with part#2 and then proceeds with installing cssu-thumb |
| 16:27.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | if kernel installation fails, the script would loop install+reboot->check, so you should offer a interactive component that allows user to abort this loop, revert to a definitely working kernel config that been there before the script started, and take care about kernel installation by her/himself. Then, after done with manual kernel installation, user must be allowed to start cssu-thumb .install again |
| 16:28.00 | mario | hmm, okay, there is kernel-cssu and kernel-power |
| 16:28.32 | mario | after running cssu-thumb.install which added repositories |
| 16:28.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/install+reboot->check/check,install,reboot->repeat/ |
| 16:29.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | "there is"? |
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| 16:29.42 | mario | right after .install file adds repositories and installs 'enabler' ... i went to install kernel power, and discovered tehre is also kernel-cssu as well |
| 16:31.36 | mario | hmm |
| 16:31.38 | mario | "CSSU Thumb requires a kernel which has the workaround. This is provided in Kernel-CSSU or the latest version of Kernel Power" |
| 16:32.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | mario: yes, KP or kernel-cssu-thumb will show up in packages to install, in HAM. But this should be the only thing that gets installed at this point in time. When something else causes a reboot _before_ kernel got installed, then this will cause havoc. I'm not even sure if installing of KP which gets done during a reboot afaik, would actually work since that reboot already might fail when other stuff needing thumb enabled kernel is |
| 16:32.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | involved in that boot |
| 16:33.09 | mario | it looks like its best to install kernel-cssu then |
| 16:33.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | mario: why "hmm"? This is all pretty well known and even documented |
| 16:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, it's the best to install latest KP |
| 16:34.08 | mario | yeah but i was unsure for a second which one of the two is better for -thumb |
| 16:34.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ |
| 16:34.30 | mario | well |
| 16:34.31 | mario | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829 |
| 16:34.42 | mario | "CSSU-thumb repo contains a special kernel (kernel-cssu) based on top of kernel-power 51r1 which workarounds the issue" |
| 16:34.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | CBA to read random threads |
| 16:34.52 | mario | it appears that kernel-cssu is built on top of KP |
| 16:34.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* |
| 16:35.17 | mario | so why not use kernel-cssu? |
| 16:35.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | why DO use kernel-cssu? |
| 16:36.20 | mario | haha, well, it sounds like its built by and for cssu usage, it somehow looks like one should use that |
| 16:36.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | no! |
| 16:36.35 | mario | why no?! |
| 16:36.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 16:37.25 | mario | enlighten me |
| 16:37.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | go use whatever you like, go pester freemangordon "WHEN will the new kernel-sccu-thumb get published?" |
| 16:39.07 | mario | ok, you could have said kernel-cssu doesnt get updated as often, that would have been fine :) |
| 16:39.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | kp51r1 < Kernel-CSSU-thumb < (any KP > 51r1) |
| 16:39.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | it will *never* get updated |
| 16:40.10 | mario | fair enough |
| 16:40.15 | mario | installing kp52 |
| 16:41.25 | mario | i suppose its best to reboot now, check uname -a, and then run the 'enabler' |
| 16:42.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 16:42.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you installed KP52 the right way, it should already have booted |
| 16:43.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
| 16:43.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope you didn't install it via apt-get install |
| 16:44.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | since afaik that's not working |
| 16:44.24 | mario | HAM |
| 16:44.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least not tricially |
| 16:44.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | trivially |
| 16:44.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAM should have told you "going to reboot now", afaik |
| 16:45.21 | mario | nope |
| 16:45.25 | mario | it was just sitting useless |
| 16:45.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 16:46.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, there's three packages that need installation. IIRC they are powerkernel-flasher, powerkernel-modules, and powerkernel |
| 16:46.52 | bencoh | what about kp not working from apt-get ? |
| 16:47.09 | bencoh | kp-bootimg worked fine here at least |
| 16:47.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | then IIRC the system needs a reboot during which it does the actualy kernel flashing |
| 16:48.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might be wrong, it's years since I last flashed a kernel |
| 16:48.25 | bencoh | hmm right I didnt flash it (I only flashed uboot) |
| 16:48.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | bootimg is the kernel image needed by uboot, afaik |
| 16:49.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is just one of the reasons why the check in cssu-thumb.install for matching kernel might fail: it's too complex to check if uboot would boot a thumb-enabled kernel |
| 16:51.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the kernel merged to uboot is NOT any special kernel, it does NOT support thumb |
| 16:52.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | even when you installed kp-bootimg, that doesn't guarantee that uBoot does actually boot it |
| 16:52.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd argue that uBoot and cssu-thumb should be mutually exclusive |
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| 16:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless we eventually get a uBoot-thumb package that comes with thumbified kernel instead of stock kernel |
| 16:54.34 | mario | hmm, well, ham was sitting doing nothing so i rebooted it and kp52 now shows up in uname -a |
| 16:54.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 16:54.58 | mario | running cssu-thumb enabler ... |
| 16:55.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you could have done a BM full backup first - the only way to "uninstall" cssu* |
| 16:57.47 | mario | interesting, now when i run update-all, it shows 52MB size, before it was showing 57MB |
| 16:57.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | you run what? |
| 16:58.14 | mario | cssu enabler starts HAM, and shows update-all button |
| 16:58.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | in HAM, I hope |
| 16:58.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, that's ok |
| 16:59.02 | mario | on top of things there is cssu package, and before when i didnt have kernel-power it would pull 57MB of things, and now after kp52 it pulls 52MB only |
| 16:59.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you however should follow the instructions |
| 16:59.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu |
| 16:59.38 | infobot | [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 17:00.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation |
| 17:01.12 | mario | steps 7/8 are all i need really, and i dont see how i could do those wrong ... |
| 17:01.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | update-all is not exactly what these instructions recommend |
| 17:01.49 | mario | hmm, update-all works for cssu-testing |
| 17:01.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, when you know "what you need"... |
| 17:02.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>THIS IS THE ONE AND ONLY SUPPORTED AND TESTED WAY TO INSTALL CSSU, please follow instructions faithfully!<< |
| 17:02.56 | mario | relax, you will give yourself a heart attack :) |
| 17:02.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | heads out |
| 17:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I won't give me anything, and I won't waste my time on this anymore |
| 17:04.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that I could get any more relaxed than I am right now |
| 17:04.25 | mario | 1. i dont need backups 2. newest already flashed clean 3. didnt modify a thing 4. skipped for cssu-thumb.install instead 5. yeah 6. yeah 7. of course 8. what ever |
| 17:05.01 | mario | its not rocket science, jeez :) |
| 17:05.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | open a ticket "instructions are for idiots, here's how to do it right!" |
| 17:05.25 | mario | i suppose i should have clicked to install only cssu and not 'update-all' that one is on me :) |
| 17:05.53 | mario | but lets see when it reboots |
| 17:07.27 | mario | worked fine, cssu-thumb booted up |
| 17:07.48 | mario | all that was needed was that kp52 that thumb doesnt automatically install |
| 17:13.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...that thumb doesnt automatically install **when not used/installed according to the instructions** |
| 17:13.56 | mario | it looked like kernel was installed according to what was written on the page, sorry |
| 17:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | complete waste of time to analyze and try to help out. With a nice convenient potential to waste a multiple of time on trying to find the "bug2 in cssu-thumb that's prolly not existing |
| 17:19.32 | mario | no idea what you are on about, and I still don't see what did I do wrong.. |
| 18:31.36 | freemangordon | mario: "..what did I do wrong" - you didn't follow the instructions if I read ^^^ right |
| 18:31.51 | freemangordon | ^^^ == backscroll |
| 18:32.25 | freemangordon | last time I tested cssu-thumb install on top of freshly flashed device was 2-3 weeks ago |
| 18:32.43 | freemangordon | (a friend of mine bought an used device) |
| 18:32.49 | freemangordon | and yes, it was ok |
| 19:23.56 | mario | can you point out what i did wrong then? because it only worked after i manually installed kernel-power, and from what i can tell this should have been done autmatically |
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| 20:02.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | no we can't since we don't even have a clear idea of *what* exactly you did |
| 20:03.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | so we're not going to test all straying from THE INSTRUCTIONS to see if we can reproduce your problem, and how |
| 20:04.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation >>THIS IS THE ONE AND ONLY SUPPORTED AND TESTED WAY TO INSTALL CSSU, please follow instructions faithfully!<< |
| 20:07.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<mario> steps 7/8 are all i need really, and i dont see how i could do those wrong ...)) a strong indocation THAT you did STH wrong, since installation doesn't work on step7&8 only |
| 20:07.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | indication even |
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| 20:34.19 | mario | i did exactly whats written on that page, but you do realize there is a step missing? the one that should say to also install kernel-power, doh |
| 20:35.29 | freemangordon | mario: nothing is missing |
| 20:35.54 | freemangordon | if there is not compatible kernel installed, it will be |
| 20:35.58 | freemangordon | *no |
| 20:36.27 | mario | yeah but on thumb page it says taht if one is missing it will be installed, and it was not |
| 20:37.25 | freemangordon | mario: how you are sure it was the missing kernel that caused that boot loop? |
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| 20:38.54 | mario | because when i installed one there was no boot loop |
| 20:40.18 | freemangordon | I fail to see the logic there, toldya, it was not that long ago I installed cssu-thumb on a freshly flashed device and there was no problem |
| 20:40.41 | freemangordon | mario: did you answer the question "a custom kernel..."? |
| 20:40.51 | freemangordon | did you see that? |
| 20:43.25 | mario | what was the question again? sorry |
| 20:44.43 | freemangordon | mario: when you install CSSU-thumb by using HAM, just before kernel-cssu is flashed, you are asked a question(iirc). Did you see that and did you answer it? |
| 20:46.02 | mario | i was never asked a question, only "accept" stuff |
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| 20:48.50 | freemangordon | hmm, right, I removed that |
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| 20:52.07 | mario | so what did i do wrong then? :) |
| 20:52.42 | freemangordon | mario: I still don;t know exactly what you did :) |
| 20:56.23 | mario | I flashed n900 to stock, and on first boot I opened up cssu-thumb.install |
| 20:56.50 | freemangordon | ~cssu |
| 20:56.51 | infobot | it has been said that cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
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| 20:57.39 | freemangordon | mario: did you do step 6 from ^^^? |
| 20:58.05 | mario | yes, of course |
| 20:58.38 | freemangordon | and did you update only "maemo 5" on step 7? |
| 21:01.20 | mario | nope, i hit update-all, didnt think it matters |
| 21:01.58 | freemangordon | it matters |
| 21:02.00 | mario | but i think its worth mentioning that i also hit update-all when i had kernel-power installed, and this time there was no boot loop |
| 21:02.17 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: I want to install thumb on one of my devices, ist the repo stable again, or still in intermediate state? |
| 21:02.28 | freemangordon | merlin1991: it should be ok |
| 21:03.19 | freemangordon | merlin1991: -mp thingie is not ok, but I don;t think that will be problematic |
| 21:05.06 | freemangordon | mario: NFC then :( |
| 21:07.00 | mario | i can flash to stock again, and not click update-all |
| 21:07.06 | merlin1991 | -mp thingie is still the old one or what? |
| 21:07.26 | freemangordon | yep, it does not depend on the latest package versions |
| 21:07.49 | freemangordon | but it should be >= $VERSION so no problem IMO |
| 21:07.54 | mario | also, does it matter if i am flashing this one: RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? |
| 21:08.24 | freemangordon | mario: should not matter, despite that was neer released |
| 21:08.29 | freemangordon | *never |
| 21:08.49 | freemangordon | the latest released is 36-2 |
| 21:09.09 | mario | i know, but with this one i dont have to bother with nokia outdated keys |
| 21:09.18 | mario | since thats the only update on there anyway |
| 21:09.52 | freemangordon | merlin1991: only HAM, HD and glibc are newer, so everything should be fine |
| 21:10.27 | freemangordon | mario: CSSU will install what is in 38-1 over 36-2 anyway |
| 21:10.55 | freemangordon | mario: but there should be no problem with 38-1 either |
| 21:11.23 | mario | ah ok, well then, ... lets see if update-all was the culprit |
| 21:12.09 | freemangordon | mario: but make sure to follow the steps in wiki *exactly* as written |
| 21:12.19 | mario | i just flashed vanilla image, now its doing combined 38-1 image... when it boots up, iwill grab .install file for cssu-thumb |
| 21:12.38 | freemangordon | grab? |
| 21:12.50 | mario | go to merlin1991 page? |
| 21:12.51 | freemangordon | open the link from microb |
| 21:12.56 | mario | yeah exactly |
| 21:12.59 | freemangordon | no |
| 21:13.03 | freemangordon | ~cssu-thumb |
| 21:13.03 | infobot | cssu-thumb is, like, <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb |
| 21:13.13 | freemangordon | mario: oh, wait |
| 21:13.35 | freemangordon | my sister's device had similar problem to yours, it turned out that /opt is corrupted |
| 21:13.53 | freemangordon | so we had to flash *both* rootfs and EMMC |
| 21:14.02 | mario | i am flashing both emmc and rootfs |
| 21:14.04 | freemangordon | anything suspicious in dmesg log? |
| 21:14.08 | freemangordon | ok |
| 21:14.16 | mario | first emmc, then rootfs |
| 21:14.23 | freemangordon | ~flashing |
| 21:14.24 | infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 21:16.09 | mario | everyone here is trigger happy with url's |
| 21:16.25 | mario | i did read all those of course |
| 21:17.37 | mario | i flash vanilla/emmc first, then fiasco/combined, and when it boots up its a clean install |
| 21:21.24 | mario | booted up into stock, opening up install file |
| 21:23.04 | freemangordon | mario: click on "details" and check which packages are going to be installed |
| 21:23.33 | mario | its offering me to agree to install community ssu enabler |
| 21:23.53 | mario | 0.7-4 version, from community -testing repo |
| 21:24.08 | freemangordon | hmm? |
| 21:24.21 | mario | hm what? :) |
| 21:24.36 | freemangordon | I meant after the enabler is installed |
| 21:24.56 | freemangordon | before the real "maemo5 ...." installation |
| 21:25.21 | mario | ok sec, HAM is slow |
| 21:25.30 | freemangordon | I know :) |
| 21:25.55 | freemangordon | merlin1991: which reminds me, when you'll have a time for a new update? |
| 21:26.19 | freemangordon | to fix that HAM slowness once and for all |
| 21:26.19 | merlin1991 | actually I should have some time by the end of this week |
| 21:26.27 | mario | btw, how come cssu-thumb is not hosted on maemo.org ? :P |
| 21:26.30 | merlin1991 | there is a national holiday on 1st of may ... |
| 21:26.46 | freemangordon | mario: it is hosted on merlin1991's server |
| 21:27.02 | mario | freemangordon, okay, it has finished, now i have update icon flashing |
| 21:27.08 | freemangordon | merlin1991: same here |
| 21:27.21 | mario | i will close HAM and open up real cssu installer |
| 21:27.40 | merlin1991 | what is the holiday reason? |
| 21:29.15 | merlin1991 | hm probably the same as here |
| 21:29.21 | merlin1991 | remembers what 1st of may is all about |
| 21:29.21 | freemangordon | a couple of, iirc labour’s day and saint george's day combined |
| 21:29.51 | freemangordon | some 5 or 6 days (includein the holiday) |
| 21:29.54 | merlin1991 | I'm currently looking at diffception, (aka a diff of diffs) |
| 21:29.55 | mario | freemangordon, HAM opened up, its showing update-all, and under that button there are CSSU(thumb) and a list of updates |
| 21:30.07 | mario | all updates are libqtm-* |
| 21:30.22 | freemangordon | click'n' hold on "cssu-thumb" and select details |
| 21:30.50 | freemangordon | you should be presented with a list of packages to be installed |
| 21:31.07 | mario | yeah under 'updating' tab there are a list of packages |
| 21:31.14 | freemangordon | check if there is "kernel-cssu" etc |
| 21:31.17 | mario | i see linux kernel for community ssu |
| 21:31.23 | freemangordon | exactly |
| 21:31.28 | freemangordon | what about modules? |
| 21:31.30 | mario | 2.6.28-10cssu3 |
| 21:31.36 | freemangordon | correct |
| 21:31.48 | mario | yeah modules are there too |
| 21:31.49 | freemangordon | what about "kernel-cssu-modules"? |
| 21:31.53 | freemangordon | ok |
| 21:31.59 | freemangordon | everything should be fine then |
| 21:32.51 | *** join/#maemo-ssu eugene_42 (~eugene@109.188.124.112) |
| 21:33.05 | mario | i think it wont work... :P |
| 21:33.17 | mario | want me to try anything else? |
| 21:33.25 | freemangordon | what? |
| 21:33.30 | freemangordon | what won;t work? |
| 21:33.36 | mario | or should i atetmpt to install it |
| 21:33.42 | freemangordon | yep |
| 21:33.52 | mario | ok i hit agree/continue |
| 21:33.56 | freemangordon | click on "Maemo5 community..." |
| 21:34.04 | mario | yeah |
| 21:34.38 | mario | thats exactly what i am doing |
| 21:35.00 | freemangordon | mario: I hope your battery is charged |
| 21:35.02 | mario | its downloading 57,3 MB |
| 21:35.07 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 21:35.13 | mario | it is, its even hooked up to charger still |
| 21:35.20 | freemangordon | good |
| 21:37.03 | mario | its updating, shuld i watch screen for those questions? |
| 21:38.24 | mario | ok it said "rebooting.." |
| 21:38.51 | freemangordon | hmm, too fast ?!? |
| 21:38.55 | mario | installing software update on nokia logo |
| 21:38.59 | mario | boot loop |
| 21:39.20 | freemangordon | mario: what? |
| 21:39.37 | mario | its doing the boot loop |
| 21:39.38 | freemangordon | sofware update on nokia logo? |
| 21:39.51 | freemangordon | never seen that |
| 21:40.02 | mario | well, for a short time there is a nokia white logo |
| 21:40.09 | freemangordon | I know |
| 21:40.21 | mario | and on there it says 'installing updates' |
| 21:40.35 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ever seen that? ^^^ |
| 21:40.46 | merlin1991 | nope |
| 21:40.48 | mario | 1st line: "installing software update" |
| 21:40.59 | mario | 2nd line "please dont interrupt" |
| 21:41.06 | mario | and then it loops again |
| 21:41.36 | freemangordon | mario: never seen that, where did you get that device from? |
| 21:41.50 | mario | bought it in 2010 here in Croatia |
| 21:42.06 | freemangordon | any signs of HW failing? |
| 21:42.14 | mario | none |
| 21:42.28 | mario | if i install kernel-power before installing cssu-thumb its all fine |
| 21:42.45 | freemangordon | I got thta, but it shouldn't be that way |
| 21:43.15 | freemangordon | mario: could you enable R&D mode and check which kernel does it boot? |
| 21:43.21 | mario | sure |
| 21:43.24 | mario | moment |
| 21:43.58 | mario | haha, i got a new message |
| 21:44.04 | mario | written in green letters |
| 21:44.13 | mario | it says "MALFUNCTION" device shutting down in 10 seconds |
| 21:44.17 | mario | :) |
| 21:44.21 | freemangordon | cool |
| 21:44.25 | freemangordon | :( |
| 21:44.32 | mario | ok r&d enabled |
| 21:44.40 | mario | battery pull? |
| 21:45.12 | mario | theres nokia logo now, but its faded, i suppose i need to reboot it now to see what kernel its atempting to boot ? |
| 21:46.21 | freemangordon | yep |
| 21:46.44 | mario | omap1 |
| 21:46.53 | mario | thats the kernel it tries to boot |
| 21:48.19 | freemangordon | weird |
| 21:48.32 | freemangordon | shouldn't be that way |
| 21:48.46 | freemangordon | for some reason flasher fails on your device |
| 21:48.52 | freemangordon | or HAM |
| 21:49.03 | mario | yeah apparently |
| 21:49.34 | freemangordon | but I have no idea why |
| 21:55.12 | mario | http://slackware.hr/~mario/nokia-n900/IMG_20140427_235220.jpg |
| 21:55.23 | mario | he he |
| 21:55.54 | mario | oh well, it works when i install kernel-power first, i will go that route now |
| 21:56.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: seen my reasoning above, addressed at you? |
| 21:57.10 | freemangordon | no |
| 21:57.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | you mustn't install kernel-thumb same step as installing other thumbified stuff |
| 21:57.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are it runs thumbified binaries to install the kernel, aiui |
| 21:58.19 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 21:58.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | which may or may not work |
| 21:58.29 | mario | i can try to install kernel-cssu instead of kernel power, maybe its doing it in wrong order and messing up kernel install ? |
| 21:59.16 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: so you think it may install thumbified glibc (for example) first and then use it? |
| 21:59.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 21:59.36 | freemangordon | makes sense |
| 21:59.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | please read backscroll |
| 21:59.53 | freemangordon | yep, reading it |
| 22:00.10 | merlin1991 | hm interesting, here cssu-thumb conflicts with curl |
| 22:00.11 | merlin1991 | o_O |
| 22:00.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | *cough* |
| 22:00.37 | freemangordon | merlin1991: it seems you've installed the one from the repos :) |
| 22:01.08 | freemangordon | merlin1991: well, you'd better not install it right now |
| 22:01.12 | mario | ok i cleaned up n900 again with rootfs/emmc images, booting it up.. want me to try more stuff? |
| 22:01.24 | freemangordon | mario: no, thanks for the help |
| 22:01.49 | freemangordon | merlin1991: it seems DocScrutinizer05 has a point here |
| 22:01.58 | freemangordon | I have to think of a way how to fix that |
| 22:02.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | please read backscroll |
| 22:02.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | detailed plan there |
| 22:02.30 | merlin1991 | you never touched systemlibs deep down enough to yield this problem, but libc.. |
| 22:02.40 | freemangordon | merlin1991: exactly |
| 22:03.09 | merlin1991 | but wtf is up with curl? |
| 22:03.27 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yep, reading |
| 22:03.31 | merlin1991 | ah crap |
| 22:03.32 | mario | alright, and thanks for your hard work! n900 = <3 |
| 22:03.38 | merlin1991 | extras has maemo7 |
| 22:03.40 | merlin1991 | o_O |
| 22:03.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | mario: sorry for being a tad harsh |
| 22:04.03 | freemangordon | merlin1991: check extras-devel version |
| 22:04.19 | merlin1991 | hm wait, extras devel is 7.25.0-1maemo7 |
| 22:04.24 | freemangordon | yep |
| 22:04.38 | freemangordon | it was put there before entering cssu |
| 22:04.48 | merlin1991 | I have 7.26.0-1maemo1+0cssu... |
| 22:05.02 | mario | DocScrutinizer05, don't worry about it, you have no idea who's on the other side |
| 22:05.14 | merlin1991 | is my deb version foo broken too or shouldn't that be ok? |
| 22:05.26 | freemangordon | merlin1991: do you have extras repo enabled? |
| 22:05.34 | merlin1991 | yes |
| 22:05.48 | merlin1991 | ah wait, only devel |
| 22:05.58 | freemangordon | disable devel and enable extras |
| 22:06.14 | freemangordon | and i guess it is about time to fix that libidn dependency |
| 22:06.28 | merlin1991 | libidn? |
| 22:06.36 | freemangordon | curl depends on it |
| 22:06.43 | freemangordon | but it is only in extras :) |
| 22:06.49 | freemangordon | (iirc) |
| 22:07.01 | merlin1991 | wtf did I install the curl from cssu then? |
| 22:07.16 | freemangordon | my version here is 7.26.0-1maemo1+0cssu1+thumb1 |
| 22:08.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | disabling extras but enabling extras-devel is kinda... :-X |
| 22:09.10 | freemangordon | smart? |
| 22:09.12 | mario | btw, I noticed some messages in HAM log, mainly about "ignoring version from wrong domain", and it looks like its connected to maemo.org |
| 22:09.13 | freemangordon | :) |
| 22:09.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | not exactly smart, no |
| 22:09.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | since I think there are packages in extras that are not in extras-devel |
| 22:09.41 | freemangordon | mario: it is rather ignoring nokia repos |
| 22:10.11 | merlin1991 | ah yep looks like you have a libidn dependency in the +thumb1 version that is not in the regular cssu verison |
| 22:10.17 | merlin1991 | but only on libcurl3 |
| 22:10.18 | mario | freemangordon, it happened even after i disabled nokia repos |
| 22:10.43 | freemangordon | hmm, weird |
| 22:10.51 | freemangordon | NFC then |
| 22:10.55 | mario | hehe :) |
| 22:13.18 | merlin1991 | hm a manual apt-get install curl worked though |
| 22:13.22 | merlin1991 | weird |
| 22:13.41 | mario | libstdc++, libgcc, apt, libcurl3, libsdl are reporting this |
| 22:13.49 | mario | all from extras |
| 22:15.48 | merlin1991 | and now ham is happy aswell |
| 22:15.53 | merlin1991 | strange stuff |
| 22:16.19 | freemangordon | merlin1991: make sure you have the correct kernel installed |
| 22:16.27 | merlin1991 | i'm on kernel power |
| 22:16.29 | freemangordon | ok |
| 22:16.53 | merlin1991 | this is the device I use for usb thetering openvpn tunneling and other fun stuff |
| 22:17.23 | merlin1991 | and at one point I used it to crack a wep network for a university course :D |
| 22:17.33 | freemangordon | :D |
| 22:19.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's one device here that I tested for dunnowhat, and it sucked empty my battery to the very end, depite me being sure about it being properly shutdown (or never booted up after bat insert) |
| 22:20.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess not every subsystem powered directly from bat gets reliably shut down when SoC/PMU is in shutdown mode |
| 22:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | not sure about cmt, but for sure at least LP5523 could suck power from bat when not explicitly powered down |
| 22:21.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc audio amp as well |
| 22:26.50 | freemangordon | merlin1991: hmm, maybe (re)move glibc from thumb repo until I figure out how to correctly handle it |
| 22:35.10 | mario | freemangordon, is it normal that during cssu-thumb install gui looks kind of broken ? |
| 22:37.53 | mario | i took a pic, i suppose its normal: http://slackware.hr/~mario/nokia-n900/IMG_20140428_003403.jpg |
| 22:38.52 | freemangordon | mario: yep, hildon-desktop is stopped |
| 22:39.05 | freemangordon | and lots of other stuff |
| 22:39.28 | mario | it looks like it takes quite a bit longer now, i suppose boot loop was due to incomplete install |
| 22:39.37 | freemangordon | yep |
| 22:40.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: do glibc right? |
| 22:41.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is not glibc, the problem is to make kernel install before you nstall *any* thumbified packages |
| 22:41.05 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: in other words - to make sure the correct kernel is installed |
| 22:41.11 | freemangordon | yep, exactly |
| 22:41.28 | freemangordon | kernel install *AND* reboot |
| 22:43.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | check thumb-property of kernel, NO: install kernel, link $self to autostart-on-boot, reboot | YES: go on installing cssu-thumb as usual |
| 22:45.29 | freemangordon | sure, but I have to *implement* that |
| 22:45.32 | freemangordon | :) |
| 22:46.30 | freemangordon | I guess this should go to mp- preinstall script |
| 22:47.27 | freemangordon | but I suspect there is standard "HAM" way of doing this, I need to find it |
| 22:51.03 | merlin1991 | something is foobar with my n900 |
| 22:51.15 | merlin1991 | dl 44.9mb worth of updates is taking its time |
| 22:51.28 | merlin1991 | in other words since I wrote ham is happy it's doing that ... |
| 23:22.14 | kerio | freemangordon: i reckon it's not something that should be done manually |
| 23:22.19 | kerio | tell people to upgrade the kernel first |
| 23:22.25 | kerio | cuz that's an invasive change |
| 23:23.42 | merlin1991 | btw freemangordon what's the latest and greatest regarding thumb browsers? (I never used thumb so far) |
| 23:48.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: you should split the whole process into tow clearly segregate steps. step1: install kernel, step2: install any thumbified packages |
| 23:48.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/tow/two/ |
| 23:50.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | since you sould boot after kernel swap, there's definitely no other way than that |
| 23:50.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/sould/must/ |
