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06:06.38 | FatPhil | Is there a utility to turn my n900 into a (USB) keyboard for a PC? |
06:31.55 | freemangordon_ | nothing for USB afaik, but I gess you can use some X tools to do some forwarding |
06:42.54 | FatPhil | that's a same, it would make adminning my servers in a closet easier - wouldn't need real keyboard/kvm in there! |
06:54.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr not for USB, indeed |
06:54.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | but there is bluemaemo |
06:54.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | amazing that this name passed the censorship |
06:55.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | apropos, we might have to rename the whole thing, due to [TM] reasons. How's about meano |
06:56.41 | FatPhil | maen-all-maen? |
06:57.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | interesting |
06:57.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | manno |
06:57.33 | FatPhil | ourmo? |
06:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | mameo |
06:58.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess I lack the northern lingual background for ourmo etc |
06:58.53 | FatPhil | that would remind Finns of mämmi |
06:59.31 | FatPhil | Well, "maemo" was pronounced "my mo", so "our mo" or "mine all mine" |
06:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
06:59.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
06:59.51 | freemangordon | FatPhil: do you know maemo-certman guy? |
07:00.29 | FatPhil | nope, rarely saw anything outside kernel group. security group was very private |
07:00.37 | freemangordon | we have a severe bug I'd love to have support from someone knowing the code while fixing it |
07:00.39 | freemangordon | oh |
07:01.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | write a ticket! ;-P |
07:01.23 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: to myself? hehe |
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07:01.48 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: explanations for supl.nokia.com problem http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1370304&postcount=122 |
07:01.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
07:03.53 | FatPhil | is maemo-certman open source? |
07:04.00 | freemangordon | sure |
07:04.04 | FatPhil | phew! |
07:04.13 | FatPhil | you never can tell |
07:04.23 | freemangordon | well, it wasn't :D |
07:04.57 | freemangordon | somehow nokia guys managed to opensource it at 11:59 |
07:05.36 | freemangordon | at/on? nevermind |
07:06.13 | FatPhil | at a time, on a date |
07:07.30 | freemangordon | thanks :) |
07:08.10 | FatPhil | what toolchain are you using for compiling luserspace? |
07:08.51 | freemangordon | 4.2.1 (stock SDK) or 4.7.2 (for cssu-thumb) |
07:08.53 | FatPhil | I notice my (meego) scratchbox has got cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-armv7-hard and linaro4.5-eglibc2.12-armv7-hard already installed |
07:09.05 | freemangordon | softfp only |
07:09.28 | freemangordon | those with eglibc2.5 in the names |
07:09.52 | FatPhil | I must have purged those |
07:10.05 | freemangordon | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
07:10.26 | freemangordon | though I think going to hathor is not a very good idea |
07:11.12 | FatPhil | never even heard of hathor |
07:11.44 | freemangordon | oh, sure you did if you have scratchbox installed :) |
07:12.57 | FatPhil | honestly, I've never seen those 6 letters in that order before |
07:13.58 | freemangordon | http://www.scratchbox.org/download/scratchbox-hathor/ |
07:14.46 | freemangordon | or http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/hathor/deb/amd64/ even |
07:15.07 | freemangordon | your toolchain is there :) |
07:15.36 | freemangordon | though I wonder where did you get linaro4.5 from |
07:17.02 | FatPhil | ah, so it's jsut a version name? |
07:17.15 | freemangordon | yep, the release name |
07:18.05 | freemangordon | the original one for Fremantle is apophis iiuc |
07:20.13 | FatPhil | ii scratchbox-core 1.0.24 Scratchbox base system |
07:20.40 | FatPhil | we did briefly play with scratchbox 2, I wonder if that was hathor |
07:21.04 | FatPhil | there were some issues with it so we were told to stick to scratchbox 1 |
07:21.06 | freemangordon | most probably |
07:21.31 | freemangordon | or not, no idea |
07:21.46 | FatPhil | scratchbox 2 was a million times more intuitive, I haven't got a clue where I am with scratchbox 1 |
07:22.14 | FatPhil | hence compiling powertop just using the crosscompiler directly outside scratchbox |
07:22.34 | freemangordon | you lost me there, what is the problem with dpkg-buildpackge? or make -j4 |
07:22.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | wut? you have the maemo powertop? |
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07:22.51 | freemangordon | powertop compiles just fine in SB, with a sinple make |
07:22.56 | freemangordon | *simple |
07:23.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, not *our* powertop, ehß |
07:23.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
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07:23.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got told that maemo's powertop is a nokia blob |
07:23.52 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it seems "our" powertop is GPL |
07:24.12 | freemangordon | but I'll leave FatPhil to comment on that :) |
07:24.21 | FatPhil | my scratchbox is apparently hathor: Filename: dists/hathor-r1/main/binary-i386/scratchbox-core_1.0.24_i386.deb |
07:24.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise, why nobody fixed that friggin thing to not show BS on KP |
07:25.07 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: do you have the source code of "our" powertop? me neither |
07:25.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you leave me puzzled |
07:25.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-08-29 09:23:52] <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: it seems "our" powertop is GPL |
07:25.36 | FatPhil | freemangordon: I will check the n9's powertop over the weekend, and give you a *guaranteed safe* code drop immediately afterwards. |
07:25.37 | freemangordon | 10:24 <freemangordon> but I'll leave FatPhil to comment on that :) |
07:25.47 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ |
07:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | heads out |
07:26.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | too late |
07:26.33 | freemangordon | FatPhil: hmm, is it really a good idea? I bet there are some differences because of 2636 vs 3430 and because of the newer kernel |
07:26.56 | freemangordon | shit |
07:27.01 | freemangordon | 3630 vs 3430 |
07:27.18 | FatPhil | The code-base is basically the same - the kernel API didn't change. |
07:27.24 | FatPhil | All the info comes from proc/sysfs files |
07:27.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
07:28.03 | freemangordon | ok, won't argue :) |
07:28.40 | freemangordon | anyway, have to run, bbl |
07:29.14 | FatPhil | So I'll give you the n900 GPL release, a patch to take that to the n9 release, also GPL. Nokia should have done this already, I wonder why they didn't? |
07:29.36 | freemangordon | great |
07:32.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia had to employ 17 lawyers to check if the GPL remark is actually correct, before handing out any source |
07:33.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all somebody could have edited the source and used a TM-threatened variable name |
07:34.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ot the edit been done by a subcontractor |
07:34.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | or* |
07:34.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you need to check the contracts first, to see if Nokia may release that code at all |
07:35.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | at ST-E I would've needed a special security audit to touch the Nokia projects |
07:36.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hell, Nokia been ST-E *customer* |
07:37.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | luckily I wasn't involved in any Nokia related stuff |
07:42.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, for defeating a GPL complaint you need only one lawyer, for checking code to satisfy the complaint you need 17. Guess what the managers decide to do |
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09:37.48 | FatPhil | hahah - looks like powertop was put in non-free! |
09:37.57 | FatPhil | Who wants to call teh GPL violations project ;-) |
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17:42.22 | ShadowJK | It's a different powertop |
17:43.04 | ShadowJK | The lesswatts.org powertop looks completely different, and doesn't give nearly as useful information |
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19:03.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: that's exactly what I thought as well |
19:04.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | lesswatts powertop is largely useless |
19:04.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik |
19:08.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Powertop 1.13.3 /sys/kernel/debug/pm_debug/time Mounting debugfs mount -t debugfs nodev /sys/kernel/debug /sys/devices/platform/serial8250.0/sleep_timeout Restarting PMTrackerd etcpp |
19:10.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | CORTEX-A8 aeabi HSOTGUSB_IDLE @OMAPCTRL |
19:11.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^ strings from "our" powertop |
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22:45.22 | FatPhil | ANyone looked at ondemand-avoid.diff recently. I know it's marked as 'N' for CSSU inclusion, but the reason is only marked as it breaking powertop. Hopefully we can fix powertop issues... |
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22:58.24 | FatPhil | nope, I don't like that patch at all. Someone remind me to revisit it... |
23:27.07 | FatPhil | don't like overclock.diff |