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| 00:30.16 | _jester_ | hello world |
| 00:30.21 | _jester_ | are the repos down ? |
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| 07:15.09 | Raimu | freemangordon: Happy belated birthday! |
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| 07:37.31 | LauRoman | this is my first "manual install" of an n900 app on my phone and the readme for it says i should copy the icon file and .desktop file to the apropriate system folders. Can anyone tell me what those folders are? |
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| 15:15.16 | Pali_ | there are two CSSU pending merge request: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/calendar-backend/merge_requests/1 https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/merge_requests/5 |
| 15:15.24 | Pali_ | merlin1991, freemangordon ^^^ |
| 15:15.33 | Pali_ | I think that qt one is OK |
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| 17:58.30 | psycho_oreos | Hi, I've just updated from T7.1 to T8.1 using fapman, I know awhile ago I put a hacked fmtxd binary to enable more than allowed frequencies. Since then I have not noticed any constant high CPU usage apart from this update (to T8.2). I checked the changelogs from wiki and there was nothing detailing in regards to fmtxd being updated. Any insights? TIA. |
| 18:01.36 | psycho_oreos | Correction, /usr/sbin/fmtxd and /usr/bin/pulseaudio are pretty much topping out the whole CPU consumption, with fmtxd ranging from 50% to 65% and pulseaudio taking up to 35% or so. |
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| 18:19.23 | kerio | that's about standard for pulseaudio, isn't it :D |
| 18:19.28 | kerio | try the stock fmtxd |
| 18:19.38 | kerio | it shouldn't change anything |
| 18:21.51 | psycho_oreos | I was about to add, I've stopped pulseaudio and restarted pulseaudio. This time pulseaudio takes up the entire CPU, it even lags the device as well which I'm thinking is far worse than when CPU was to be shared between fmtxd and pulseaudio. I tried running pulseaudio without going through start/stop processes however I have been unsucessful in obtaining errors into a file which I can read easily later on. |
| 18:22.22 | psycho_oreos | I read that there was a downgrade in pulseaudio for performance-wise choice. |
| 18:27.56 | psycho_oreos | Hmm funny how running pulseaudio through manual intervention creates no new entries in syslog. Besides the information contained in syslog is insanely old. I'm going to merge old syslog info, bzip2 it and try again. I think these were optified but cannot see why it won't write to the new symlinked location |
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| 18:59.33 | psycho_oreos | Here is the output of "pulseaudio --system -v --log-target=syslog": http://pastebin.com/Eb4JExDA I have only ran the process for only 5 seconds before sending out interrupt (Ctrl+C) signal. |
| 19:01.02 | psycho_oreos | kerio, yes as much as I would love to say pulseaudio is really lame, there aren't much other alternatives for N900. I have had issues with pulseaudio in the past and this brings back those haunts. |
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| 19:08.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* I heard somebody been so brave and hacked PA |
| 19:09.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders how QA for *that* might look like |
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| 21:38.20 | freemangordon | psycho_oreos: how did you update ti T8.2? |
| 21:38.24 | freemangordon | *to |
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| 21:47.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | fapman, he said |
| 21:47.15 | freemangordon | hmmm |
| 21:47.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 21:47.36 | freemangordon | I bet he has different versions of PA and the libs |
| 21:47.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | no surprise with fapman, eh? |
| 21:48.16 | freemangordon | never used it, so can't judge ;) |
| 21:48.26 | freemangordon | but won;t be surprised |
| 21:48.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | same here, but judging by the reports and public info |
| 21:48.44 | freemangordon | yep |
| 21:49.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | fapman needed 12,5 minutes to waste its chance on my device |
| 21:49.48 | freemangordon | :) |
| 21:49.54 | freemangordon | never installed here |
| 21:49.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, that's several years ago |
| 21:50.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | but - you know - there's a certain user experience that makes it extremely unlikely that a package will ever get a second chance |
| 21:51.10 | freemangordon | yeah, esp if it son supported |
| 21:51.24 | freemangordon | s/it son/ it is not/ |
| 21:51.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | supported or maintained? |
| 21:52.16 | freemangordon | however, I'll wait psycho_oreos to report his PA and Pa libs versins |
| 21:52.20 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: both |
| 21:56.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | know what? I had a weird phantasy a few days ago: every garage- and/or tmo-user would pay 10ct per month to pay techstaff and maintainers for their work. I probably could live with that, literally |
| 21:56.43 | freemangordon | hm? why is that? |
| 21:56.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | why is what? |
| 21:57.15 | freemangordon | the payments |
| 21:57.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | why I got phantasies? dunno |
| 21:58.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | the payment, why? nfc |
| 21:58.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think it ever will happen |
| 21:58.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't know why any user would be willing to pay 10ct/month for using maemo.org services |
| 21:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all they all paqid for their N900 already |
| 22:01.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just had that weird equation in front of my inner eye: 80k garage users + (50k tmo users * NN% for those who got both accounts) * 0.10$ |
| 22:03.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | heck, for two ct/month from each of them, I'd dedicate my time to maemo.org exclusively |
| 22:03.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooops there's the problem, I already do that, even without those 2ct/user |
| 22:05.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | but sometimes I suddenly face reality and realize I can't sustain that indefinitely |
| 22:05.23 | Raimu | The problem I think is that there is a huge leap to be made in mentality when stepping from free to any kind of payment, even ridiulously low like $.1 |
| 22:05.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, exactly |
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| 22:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why [2013-07-04 23:58:15] <DocScrutinizer05> I don't think it ever will happen |
| 22:07.51 | xes | i think that a big banner "buy a beer to your techstaff" would be better... |
| 22:08.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pity since basically I like that job |
| 22:08.32 | xes | hello there.. |
| 22:08.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, hi xes. Could you have a look at our firewalls? |
| 22:09.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think they might have gotten a bit upset with our blade-a boot |
| 22:09.32 | xes | one guy arrives, starts talking about beers and.. this is your reply? |
| 22:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | www.m.o is very slow, despite no particular load |
| 22:10.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) well, beer is a nice beverage |
| 22:10.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes |
| 22:11.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might have noticed it from icinga |
| 22:11.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | (slowness of www.m.o that is) |
| 22:12.05 | xes | let me check |
| 22:12.21 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'd send you HUNDREDS of satoshis |
| 22:12.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | is this a currency that you need to pay to get rid of? |
| 22:13.15 | kerio | 100M satoshis = 1 BTC |
| 22:13.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 22:13.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | so yeah, obviously you need to pay to handle that |
| 22:14.14 | kerio | 1 BTC goes for 78.23248 USD on mtgox |
| 22:14.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | what?? |
| 22:14.44 | kerio | i know, the price dropped quite a lot |
| 22:14.58 | kerio | there were some huge spikes |
| 22:15.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah |
| 22:15.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never thought 1BTC was so valuable |
| 22:15.37 | kerio | they were worth at least 300$ at some point |
| 22:15.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh |
| 22:16.15 | kerio | also, they need to be worth at least the cost of mining them |
| 22:16.49 | kerio | otherwise you get no miners, and the blockchain becomes unsafe and slow |
| 22:16.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | now those weirdos with their own powerplant to feed all the PCs with monster GFX cards, and the AC for that, make more sense |
| 22:17.12 | kerio | lots of people have made ASICs |
| 22:19.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 22:19.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | will paypal accept BTC? |
| 22:19.18 | kerio | anyway, the fact that the whole system is reliant on miners to keep the blockchain going is a longevity issue |
| 22:19.39 | kerio | nope |
| 22:20.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | good ;-P |
| 22:22.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I recently realized that I might have to learn about BTC, for darknet |
| 22:23.13 | kerio | like, buying drugs on silkroad? |
| 22:23.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | for now I have a fuzzy idea of how that stuff works, at best |
| 22:24.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | so yeah, please send me a few of those satoshi, never seen any |
| 22:25.03 | kerio | i actually don't have any |
| 22:25.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe they feel nice |
| 22:25.40 | kerio | and there's an almost mandatory transaction fee for transactions below... 0.01BTC or something |
| 22:25.50 | xes | now www should work better |
| 22:26.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | what did you doß |
| 22:26.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 22:26.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, way better |
| 22:27.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | firewalls? |
| 22:27.59 | xes | with actual settings every apache should die in at max one hour or two. If you find a process with a longer uptime (excluding the parent executed as root) it's blocked doing ..(wtf... i still can't understand) |
| 22:28.28 | xes | ..some script or bot query |
| 22:29.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, so you killed stale apache processes? |
| 22:29.42 | xes | yep |
| 22:29.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 22:30.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, makes sense as well. I thought it's fw since I haven't seen extraordinary load but still even *connect* to www too ages |
| 22:30.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | took* |
| 22:31.25 | xes | there wasn't too much requests or traffic, just those apache asking for the meaning of life.. |
| 22:31.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually on high load it connects fast but takes ages to deliver responses |
| 22:31.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 22:31.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | 42 |
| 22:31.51 | xes | ..so i had to kill them to explain the sense |
| 22:32.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | killall -42 apached |
| 22:32.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders what's signal 42 |
| 22:32.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly siguserNN |
| 22:32.54 | xes | no, only the childs living too much |
| 22:33.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | 42) SIGRTMIN+8 |
| 22:33.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 22:34.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe we/I could bang together a scriptie to run every 5 min |
| 22:34.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | man ps :-S |
| 22:35.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | couldn't figure how to select processes that have a certain livespan |
| 22:37.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | since I don't consider parsing output of ps or even htop a brilliant idea, probably man procfs |
| 22:39.00 | xes | the best approach would be find what is creating this zombies.. |
| 22:46.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 22:46.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | check which wchan they're on? |
| 22:47.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not be surprised to find it related to NFS |
| 22:53.13 | xes | a quick check: ps -eo etime,pid,user,command| grep apache| grep -v grep | sort |
| 23:07.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: yes, that's fine for interactive |
| 23:07.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: not though for a script |
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