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| 05:21.45 | freemangordon | merlin1991: pong |
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| 11:23.15 | Estel_ | funny bug when using c fMradio and analog passthrough - when someone calls you, radio got silenced, but other side hears RADIO instead of you |
| 11:23.37 | Estel_ | say about funny audio routing? No idea, how it ends on mic input, when using analog passthrough |
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| 12:06.10 | kerio | merlin1991: btw, have you tried touching all the .deb files in your local mirror? |
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| 12:23.00 | Pali | merlin1991: why promotion of packages still not working? |
| 12:23.21 | Pali | and why kernel-power v52 is not visible in package interface? |
| 12:24.00 | freemangordon | Pali: BTW now CSSU repo is ok we should finish with KCSSU assessment |
| 12:24.29 | Pali | ok |
| 12:24.41 | Pali | I want to update kernel-power-settings |
| 12:24.53 | freemangordon | I guess merlin1991 should appoint a meeting these days, so we can decide on the new CSSU update |
| 12:24.59 | Pali | remove hacks for /etc/rcS-late |
| 12:25.29 | Pali | which can break my work on optional static /etc/fstab |
| 12:25.48 | freemangordon | Pali: hmm, which hacks? |
| 12:26.02 | kerio | freemangordon: using `uname -a` instead of 2.6.28-omap1 or current |
| 12:26.10 | kerio | er, uname -v |
| 12:26.17 | Pali | kernel-power-settings adding some file which is included by /etc/rcS-late |
| 12:26.19 | Pali | kerio, no |
| 12:26.20 | kerio | oh |
| 12:26.29 | freemangordon | Pali: aah, ok |
| 12:26.43 | Pali | kerio, kernel-power-setting and /etc/rcS-late, not /sbin/preinit (and kernel-power-modules) |
| 12:26.52 | kerio | anyway, not here i guess |
| 12:27.04 | kerio | the hook in rcS-late is done in mount-opts |
| 12:27.07 | Pali | but in gitorious cssu is prepared replacement for /sbin/preinit |
| 12:27.18 | Pali | kerio, yes that hook in mount-opts |
| 12:27.37 | kerio | i just removed it |
| 12:27.44 | kerio | \_o_/ |
| 12:28.55 | kerio | have you fixed the rcS-late thing? |
| 12:30.10 | Pali | kerio, somewhere on cssu gitorious is my repo |
| 12:31.14 | Pali | kerio: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-upstart |
| 12:31.34 | freemangordon | Pali: BTW is bme-replacement in extras-devel? |
| 12:31.40 | Pali | no |
| 12:31.48 | Pali | cannot be |
| 12:31.49 | kerio | can't be, at least not easily |
| 12:31.54 | freemangordon | what are the plans for it? |
| 12:32.10 | Pali | new separate repo porpably |
| 12:32.28 | freemangordon | hmm |
| 12:32.37 | Pali | or only deb packages for download |
| 12:32.46 | freemangordon | why extras is not the correct place? |
| 12:33.14 | kerio | freemangordon: system packages |
| 12:33.21 | Pali | because we shouldnt ship bme hald-addon-bme and libbmeipc package to extras-devel |
| 12:34.45 | freemangordon | kerio: I see |
| 12:35.02 | freemangordon | Pali: ok, but why? :) |
| 12:35.27 | freemangordon | Pali: is it because of what kerio said? |
| 12:35.34 | Pali | it can break lot of devices if users did not install kernel-power |
| 12:35.55 | Pali | and you know that lot of users doing apt-get upgrade on extras-devel |
| 12:36.15 | freemangordon | Pali: wait, if you have the correct dependencies in place, there should be no problem |
| 12:36.47 | Pali | extras-devel is not place for replacing *system* packages |
| 12:36.54 | Pali | this was reason why there is cssu |
| 12:37.10 | freemangordon | Pali: hmm, I don't agree, see extmou ;) |
| 12:37.15 | kerio | yeah, about that |
| 12:37.16 | Pali | or why we do not push all cssu packages to extras-devel? |
| 12:37.23 | kerio | it doesn't uninstall cleanly |
| 12:37.31 | kerio | well, extkbd doesn't |
| 12:37.37 | Pali | I do not agree, extmou is not system package |
| 12:37.55 | Pali | it is not in nokia repository |
| 12:37.55 | freemangordon | Pali: it depends on fixed xorg-evdev |
| 12:38.02 | kerio | extkbd installs an updated xkb package that replaces the system one |
| 12:38.04 | freemangordon | which is in extras |
| 12:38.05 | kerio | with a different name |
| 12:38.16 | freemangordon | the same does extmou |
| 12:38.18 | kerio | i mean, at least it's not a dpkg unpack |
| 12:38.27 | Pali | but all those packages does not exists in any nokia repository |
| 12:38.29 | kerio | but still |
| 12:38.29 | freemangordon | yep, it "Replaces" |
| 12:39.05 | freemangordon | Pali: well, I still think extras is better than standalone .deb |
| 12:39.32 | freemangordon | Pali: you can just rename those packages and do "replaces" for the originals |
| 12:39.44 | Pali | not possible |
| 12:39.58 | freemangordon | it is, that's what I do for extkbd/extmou |
| 12:40.02 | Pali | because other packages depends on hald-addon-bme specific version |
| 12:40.03 | kerio | and it's a huge mess |
| 12:40.05 | kerio | except even more so |
| 12:40.36 | freemangordon | Pali: and apt-get upgrade won't upgrade system packages if you don't have the UI installed |
| 12:40.43 | Pali | if you want bme replacement working you need hald-addon-bme and dsme package with version 1.0 so other packages can be installd |
| 12:41.04 | freemangordon | if you have the UI, replacements will be pulled by apt/HAM |
| 12:41.28 | Pali | apt-get upgrade will install all new version of packages |
| 12:41.39 | Pali | and hald-addon-bme is new version of hald-addon-bme |
| 12:42.05 | freemangordon | Pali: no, as the names could be different, "hald-addon-bme-foss" for example |
| 12:42.15 | Pali | not possible |
| 12:42.30 | freemangordon | I still don;t get it why |
| 12:42.31 | kerio | freemangordon: that's a HUGE mess |
| 12:42.34 | Pali | I already wrote that packages depends on hald-addon-bme specific version |
| 12:42.46 | freemangordon | oh, ok |
| 12:43.05 | Pali | if you want bme replacement you must have hald-addon-bme version >= 1.0 |
| 12:43.52 | freemangordon | Pali: what i sthe problem if you change that to "Depends: hald-addon-bme-foss (>= 1.0)" |
| 12:44.43 | Pali | needs again to rewrite all packages and shell scripts |
| 12:44.50 | Pali | plus problems with downgrade |
| 12:50.17 | kerio | a huge amount of problems for no gain at all, relaly |
| 12:50.19 | kerio | *really |
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| 23:07.24 | Estel_ | but having them as standalone deb is even worse |
| 23:07.48 | Estel_ | if cssu would have normal, not mental ways of management, bme replacement would be included in cssu (testing, first) |
| 23:08.39 | Estel_ | as it is essentialy foss replacement for closed bits + fixes bugs (like bme not working during hostmode), and fixes generally *wrong* design of power management in userspace, instead of kernel |
| 23:09.06 | Estel_ | hoever, considering busybox-power case, maybe it's faster/better to just do separate repo for bme-repl |
| 23:10.18 | Estel_ | unless we want to wait 64323456754345678 years, 'till someone decide to uselessly waste time and create + manage cssu-extras repo. Wasn't it DocScrutinizer05 idea? considering, that it is more than half of a year old one, and no one ever wanted to touch it with long stick, maybe idea author should do and manage it? ;) |
| 23:10.48 | Estel_ | or bme-repl will land in cssu-testing after all, due to Pali being "core member of cssu team", who knows |
| 23:13.11 | Estel_ | I still want to see anyone explaining why cssu is so rollercoaster - one day "we" replace camera-ui for all, another, "we" decide that busybox-power canmt be there, despite being core system package replacement, that can't be properly distributed by extras (only via ugly hack with binary file replacement via postinst script) - but this way, whole cssu could be distributed via extras) |
| 23:13.32 | Estel_ | if anyone give plausible explanation for this madness, I'm officialy stopping calling cssu management "mental" |