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| 09:57.44 | merlin1991 | ffs linux serial system drives me mental |
| 09:57.56 | merlin1991 | can't get a simple blocking read for x chars running |
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| 10:04.39 | ShadowJK | you're getting them one by one? |
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| 14:34.16 | merlin1991 | ShadowJK: nah it rather returns on read when it feels like |
| 14:51.01 | Pali | merlin1991, anything about missing kernel-power in maemo package interface? |
| 14:51.34 | Pali | also all my promoted packages (from extras-devel) still missing |
| 14:52.43 | Pali | merlin1991, other question: how to delete some package from extras{-devel|-testing|} ? |
| 14:53.38 | Pali | and it is possible only for i386 arch? |
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| 14:56.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: there shouldn't be any normal way (user way) to delete anything from extras-testing or extras repo |
| 14:57.04 | Pali | why maintainer of package should not delete package? |
| 14:57.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | it usually casues problems for users who might already have installed that package, for example you can't restore normal backups anymore |
| 14:57.46 | Pali | it is not problem |
| 14:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh |
| 14:57.58 | Pali | HAM normally restore backup without that missing packages |
| 14:58.09 | Pali | I done it more times |
| 14:58.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | so how's that "not a problem"? |
| 14:58.28 | Pali | restore is not problem |
| 14:59.04 | Pali | you can restore normal backup without that missing packages |
| 14:59.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | nonsense, when a user can't restore a pkg from his backup since the pkg vanished on repo, this IS a problem |
| 15:00.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | extras-testing and particularly extras are generally not supposed to lose *any* package that been there |
| 15:00.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | only upgrade to more recent version |
| 15:00.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | why should any devel be allowed to delete his pkg from extras?? :-o |
| 15:01.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all you've put it into public domain and maemo.org only is hosting it |
| 15:02.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you as well can ask google to delete a hit or cache from their engine |
| 15:03.10 | Pali | extras not, but extras-devele & extras-testing |
| 15:03.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to upload never version of any kind to extras-devel |
| 15:03.48 | Pali | reason could be conflict with new package... |
| 15:04.05 | Pali | or that some package cannot be installed due to bad dependences |
| 15:04.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | on extras-testing your promotion meant you're putting a supposedly "perfect2 package into public domain for virtually everybody |
| 15:04.10 | Pali | or bad architecture |
| 15:04.40 | Pali | e.g armel package is OK, but i386 not |
| 15:05.00 | Pali | and when you promote armel package, some maemo infra auto promote i386 |
| 15:05.15 | Pali | even if you did not clicked to promote i386 version |
| 15:05.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you didn't notice that on extras-devel, then we should remove *you* from devel accounts, not your *pkg* from extras-testing |
| 15:06.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | bottom line: there's no devel/user option to delete anything from any repo. You need to ask repo maintainers to do it for you |
| 15:06.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you will have to take a bit of bashing for what you did |
| 15:09.04 | Pali | I think that if developer upload new version of some package to extras-devel and after weak some testers report critical (which developer did not saw before), he should be able to remove binary deb package from extras-devel immediately to do not break other devices... |
| 15:09.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | you are free to upload a new fixed version that overrides the former version |
| 15:10.24 | Pali | for sure packages are free (and other people can still compile it/download) but there should be way to temporary disable/remove bad version until developer fix problem and upload new version |
| 15:10.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | your new version may consist of one empty sourcefile, plus the usual needed debian spicing around it |
| 15:11.07 | Pali | or to detele broken i386/armel binary package |
| 15:11.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're not going to implement delete function for repo content |
| 15:11.32 | Pali | somehing (e.g. HW related or broken due to compilers) cannot be fixed for specific arch |
| 15:12.19 | Pali | so binary deb package in repo is useless and only increase size of Packages.gz |
| 15:12.32 | Pali | (Packages.gz is not really yo big) |
| 15:12.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 15:12.56 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, how hard is to delete packages from extras-devel index? |
| 15:13.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | not exactly trivial |
| 15:13.34 | Pali | e.g if I prepare list of broken/unusable packages, can somebody look at it? |
| 15:14.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, somebody could look at it, but there's no policy to remove a package from extras-devel, particularly not if there's no request from owner of package |
| 15:16.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | correct way: gain maintainership of pkg if you're not already, then upload a "new version" that has only a "PLEASE DELETE ME!" remark inside |
| 15:17.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | then eventually repo maintainer could grep all packages and actually delete those that have such remark for long enough so any other user or maintainer could have raised objections |
| 15:21.20 | kerio | Pali: having a dummy package is the right thing to do, anyway |
| 15:21.34 | kerio | so you'll also neuter the package in n900s |
| 15:27.06 | Pali | but still no way to remove *only* i386 package |
| 15:45.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, wasn't there a pretty simple way to specify arch(es) to build pkg for? |
| 15:46.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you don't feel happy with the i386 part of pkg, upload a new version that specifies arch:armel only |
| 15:46.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might be talking outa my arse# |
| 15:48.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather: if there's a borked package in the fremantle/i36 branch of repo, you need a new source package that builds a neutered version for i386 arch only. Probably feasible by some #ifdef |
| 15:50.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe simply by specifying arch:i386 only, in that void new version, so fremantle/arm branch keeps the old good version while new neutered version goes to i36 branch only |
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| 16:16.43 | merlin1991 | midgard should have an interface to delte packages |
| 16:16.57 | merlin1991 | but err it never worked for me because the buttons never showed up |
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