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| 13:57.00 | amiconn | Imo RE-ing ARM code is way easier than x86 code (because the ARM instruction set is quite clean, unlike x86) |
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| 15:03.51 | kerio | amiconn: there's no available hex-rays ARM on warez sites |
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| 15:45.07 | amiconn | There is gnu objdump... |
| 15:47.09 | amiconn | Also there are leaked installers of ida pro |
| 16:27.54 | kerio | ida pro is the disassembler, not the decompiler |
| 16:28.07 | kerio | what.cd has a multi-gb bounty on it, it's fair to say that it can't be found |
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| 17:06.54 | amiconn | Imo a disassembler is sufficient to RE low level (i.e. hardware related) stuff |
| 17:07.00 | amiconn | Never tried a decompiler |
| 17:07.24 | amiconn | did a bit of hardware RE himself |
| 17:07.28 | amiconn | (for rockbox) |
| 17:12.29 | kerio | never quite got the point of rockbox |
| 17:12.46 | kerio | but then again, i was a dirty ipod user and then i moved to my n900 |
| 17:17.12 | freemangordon | there is leaked hexrays for x86, works pretty well |
| 17:17.28 | freemangordon | but no (leaked) hexrays for ARM |
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| 21:19.32 | Estel_ | kerio, what bounty on what? on hexrays? |
| 21:19.42 | kerio | hex-rays ARM |
| 21:20.06 | kerio | 106GB of upload credit |
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| 21:26.19 | Estel_ | wasn't what.cd a music torrent? |
| 21:26.42 | Estel_ | claiming some vintage elitarism by being iknvite only? what do they have to do with arm hex rays' |
| 21:26.54 | Estel_ | and where is info about bounty |
| 21:27.07 | Estel_ | puts on boba fett helmet |
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| 21:27.26 | kerio | Estel_: private bittorrent trackers are like that |
| 21:27.34 | Estel_ | hehe |
| 21:27.38 | kerio | an upload ratio is enforced |
| 21:27.46 | kerio | that's why pretty much everything downloads at full bandwidth |
| 21:27.54 | Estel_ | I know, using few of them |
| 21:28.07 | Estel_ | still I don't get whar arm hex-rays got to do with fckin music torrent |
| 21:29.16 | kerio | they also have software |
| 21:30.11 | kerio | "Only music, applications, comic books, ebooks, comedy (audio), audiobooks, and music-related eLearning videos are allowed on the site." |
| 21:33.30 | Estel_ | very interesting, I just enlighted myself about OiNK history |
| 21:33.41 | kerio | it was a sad day |
| 21:33.50 | Estel_ | what a fail from pornographic... erm, phonographic associations |
| 21:34.20 | Estel_ | sad or not, they failed before the court |
| 21:35.41 | kerio | well, the two main dudes who didn't plead guilty weren't charged |
| 21:40.52 | Estel_ | huh? they were, only charges against one were dropped at last hour. |
| 21:41.02 | Estel_ | main dude was sentenced not guilty in 2010 |
| 21:41.35 | Estel_ | charges against 2nd one were dropped at 11 hour, due to fiasco with charges against main one, afaik |
| 21:42.27 | Estel_ | main one was arrested for many months, arrest extended few times, just to get found not guilty... I'm surprised he didn't counter-charged for irrational arrest |
| 21:43.22 | kerio | er, they were charged, they weren't found guilty |
| 21:43.45 | kerio | not sure if there's a more specific verb than "not found guilty" |
| 21:45.54 | MohammadAG | talking about private trackers is prohibited, unless I'm sent invites :P |
| 21:46.51 | kerio | MohammadAG: no invites to send, w.cd is kinda stingy |
| 21:46.59 | kerio | i was only ever given one |
| 21:47.05 | MohammadAG | w.cd is the site name? |
| 21:47.09 | kerio | what.cd |
| 21:47.10 | MohammadAG | I thought it was a typo |
| 21:48.38 | kerio | the thing is, it's kinda hard to get an invite, because they make you only invite people you trust |
| 21:48.56 | MohammadAG | tbh I somewhat hate torrents |
| 21:48.58 | kerio | *really* bad behaviour is punished by banning a huge chunk of your invite tree |
| 21:49.04 | kerio | north korea style |
| 21:49.34 | MohammadAG | I like how they're faster than normal downloads, but sometimes I'm limited by my upload speed |
| 21:49.49 | kerio | you're not limited by your upload speed |
| 21:50.14 | MohammadAG | no bandwidth limits, but I kinda cause all devices in my house to have slow down/upload rates |
| 21:50.32 | kerio | especially not on what.cd, the required ratio if you're seeding everything you've downloaded is 0 until you reach... 30gb? |
| 21:50.36 | kerio | and then it goes up to 0.6 |
| 21:50.44 | kerio | that is, as long as you're seeding everything you've downloaded |
| 21:50.47 | MohammadAG | that said I did forget a 32MB file seeding once and I uploaded 9GBs :| |
| 21:50.57 | kerio | well that's good |
| 21:51.47 | MohammadAG | anyway, on topic |
| 21:51.56 | MohammadAG | I think it's time for a Harmattan SSU |
| 21:52.03 | kerio | *cssu you mean |
| 21:52.23 | kerio | has nokia stopped supporting HARM too? |
| 21:52.40 | MohammadAG | I thought the HARM part of Nokia stopped (to exist?)? |
| 21:52.48 | arcean | not yet kerio |
| 21:52.52 | kerio | \_o_/ |
| 21:52.59 | MohammadAG | not yet? |
| 21:53.00 | kerio | i don't have a n9, never bothered to document about it |
| 21:53.09 | MohammadAG | I only see a twitter update every now and then |
| 21:53.40 | arcean | there're patches waiting for cherry pick // pr 1.4 |
| 21:54.29 | MohammadAG | problem is, unlike Fremantle, a CSSU for Harmattan is a no-way-back thing |
| 21:54.52 | MohammadAG | with Fremantle you could just apt-get install the old versions and you'd be back to stock |
| 21:55.00 | MohammadAG | or you could use multiple sources to upgrade |
| 21:55.12 | arcean | of course if meego team remnants get a chance to release something ' |
| 21:55.27 | kerio | well i bet you'd get at least double digit problems when doing that |
| 21:55.32 | kerio | but yes, it's doable in principle :P |
| 21:55.45 | MohammadAG | but on Harmattan we need a new aegis source |
| 21:55.53 | MohammadAG | (which needs inception or open mode) |
| 21:56.12 | MohammadAG | that source would be com.nokia.maemo/Community_SSU or something |
| 21:56.15 | kerio | can't you disable aegis in some way? |
| 21:56.21 | MohammadAG | open mode |
| 21:56.26 | MohammadAG | but you lose your lock code |
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| 21:56.32 | kerio | ? |
| 21:56.50 | MohammadAG | when you go into open mode, cal is switched into ro mode |
| 21:57.04 | MohammadAG | it can't be written to unless you make it rw again |
| 21:57.10 | MohammadAG | and to do that, you have to flash stock |
| 21:57.20 | kerio | that's silly |
| 21:57.28 | kerio | signed bootloader? |
| 21:57.39 | MohammadAG | I remember DocScrutinizer05 mentioning that some NANDs have a read only mode that can't be changed in the kernel or something |
| 21:57.49 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 21:57.52 | kerio | shame |
| 21:58.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, they have a r/o mode for each page afaik |
| 21:58.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | but usually you can unlock that |
| 21:58.15 | kerio | well, bindmount a nandsimmed mtd partition on /dev/mtd<cal> |
| 21:58.17 | kerio | :) |
| 21:58.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno what's the situation for OMAP HS arch |
| 21:58.34 | MohammadAG | tbh, if we have a CSSU, I think the lock code thing can be dumped anyway |
| 21:58.48 | Estel_ | the question is, who will be interested enough in harm to do cssu for it |
| 21:59.06 | MohammadAG | replaced with something that doesn't use cal and is probably more secure than something that can be john'd in 13 minutes |
| 21:59.13 | merlin1991 | Estel_: actually the question is, what a CSSU for harm should target |
| 21:59.13 | kerio | MohammadAG: it sounds risky to do something like a community distribution |
| 21:59.19 | merlin1991 | it's not like we have sources to a lot of things |
| 21:59.20 | kerio | can you always go back to stock? |
| 21:59.25 | kerio | can you brick a n9? |
| 21:59.28 | merlin1991 | besides security updates for system libraries |
| 21:59.30 | Estel_ | merlin1991, exactly |
| 21:59.40 | MohammadAG | kerio, yes, unless you ++ the version |
| 21:59.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | a CSSU for HARM is ... a rewrite |
| 22:00.00 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, there are some patches here and there |
| 22:00.02 | merlin1991 | kerio: you can brick it if you flash a sw cert you loose your key to |
| 22:00.04 | Estel_ | I can imagine mobile computer people sticking with N900 and phone first people buying jolla soon |
| 22:00.18 | Estel_ | + few luckers installing (probably) jolla'ified mer on N950's |
| 22:00.19 | MohammadAG | and I'd really like host mode |
| 22:00.25 | MohammadAG | or OTG actually, since the pin's there |
| 22:00.28 | kerio | so, the probability of bricking N9s is more than 0 when doing a CSSU |
| 22:00.31 | Estel_ | that doean't leave much place for harm |
| 22:00.41 | merlin1991 | hm I have excessive shell amounts open atmp |
| 22:00.51 | merlin1991 | 10 bash sessions split over 3 screens |
| 22:01.00 | merlin1991 | and I'm not even working on maemo |
| 22:01.08 | MohammadAG | time a forkbomb in all 10 sessions |
| 22:01.24 | kerio | hi merlin1991! |
| 22:01.27 | MohammadAG | kerio, well, you could always reflash |
| 22:01.29 | Estel_ | not that I'm trying to discourage anyone, but I remember comment of TheOneWhomNameIsForbidden about hostmode on N9/50 |
| 22:01.51 | MohammadAG | from what I gathered, OTG on the N9 should be easy |
| 22:02.11 | MohammadAG | OTG pin is there, so no GUI is probably needed |
| 22:02.14 | merlin1991 | well the last 2 pages in the meego forums hostmode thread are quite promising, only that nobody does further digging (at least visibly) |
| 22:02.18 | Estel_ | was always lame to get difference between otg and hostmode, at least more than hostmode is "better" |
| 22:02.37 | kerio | Estel_: otg uses a special cable with a special pin to tell the host side to be the host |
| 22:02.43 | MohammadAG | Hostmode is manual switching of client -> host due to lack of ID pin or otherwise |
| 22:02.49 | Estel_ | merlin1991, interesting - after all, there was a time when no one belived N900 hostmode |
| 22:03.01 | Estel_ | ah, I see |
| 22:03.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: nobody does, anymore. Invisible digging happened for a few occasions in hostmode chan |
| 22:03.10 | MohammadAG | OTG is auto switching because pin 4 and 5 on the cable are shorted and the device has a pin to detect that |
| 22:03.26 | Estel_ | so otg is kinda marketting name for that 5th pin functionality? |
| 22:03.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | but when we realized that HARM is thoroughly infested on every level by that aegis thing, we really lost interest |
| 22:03.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least me |
| 22:03.47 | MohammadAG | the 5th pin is technically always there, just not connected |
| 22:03.51 | merlin1991 | otg is marketing speak for auto mounts your flash drives |
| 22:04.00 | kerio | heh |
| 22:04.03 | Estel_ | hm, I don't understand, then, why Pali's usbmode can't use ID pin, if we can read it's state from kernel (on N900) |
| 22:04.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | and javispedro didn't even show up during half a year now |
| 22:04.07 | arcean | you know I have a couple of patches for harm... http://fpaste.org/zuSk/ |
| 22:04.11 | MohammadAG | Estel_, http://im.tech2.in.com/gallery/2012/jun/difference_circuit_271738111300.jpg |
| 22:04.21 | MohammadAG | Estel_, afaik there's no ID pin |
| 22:04.22 | merlin1991 | arcean: I have a few too ;) |
| 22:04.32 | MohammadAG | or it's not connected |
| 22:04.44 | kerio | Estel_: the ID pin is not connected anywhere it could be used |
| 22:04.53 | merlin1991 | btw arcean any idea how I can throw an easy notification banner without connecting to the session bus ? |
| 22:04.54 | kerio | aiui |
| 22:04.59 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, thanks. Hm, i remember someone in early pages of HEN thread, that modified otg cable by piller to work with N900... |
| 22:05.13 | MohammadAG | Estel_, I'd guess the N900 needs to be modified |
| 22:05.15 | Estel_ | showing screen with some terminal text and saying "even id pin is detected properly" |
| 22:05.21 | MohammadAG | but yes I do remember someone showing ID pins |
| 22:05.26 | Estel_ | i was beginner, then, can't remember what it was exactly |
| 22:05.27 | kerio | that's silly, you can buy a USB AF-USB AF adapter for like 1 <currency> |
| 22:05.38 | MohammadAG | can't exactly say I was an expert |
| 22:05.40 | Estel_ | kerio, it's exactly what i did |
| 22:05.50 | arcean | merlin1991: in harmattan? |
| 22:05.52 | kerio | note: don't pay 1BTC for such an adapter |
| 22:05.52 | MohammadAG | kerio, my OTG cable was $1 shipped |
| 22:06.00 | Estel_ | Then i cut it open and added powrr cable, making it Y-cable |
| 22:06.08 | merlin1991 | arcean: duicontrolpanel: * New: Landscape mode is that my code or did you do it yourself? |
| 22:06.11 | MohammadAG | I wish I mined a bitcoin :( |
| 22:06.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | on N900 id pin is connected to twl4030 which is useless since we're not using twl4030 PHY |
| 22:06.13 | kerio | that's silly, you can buy a Y-cable for like 1 <currency> |
| 22:06.31 | Estel_ | kerio, my cable is indestructible |
| 22:06.38 | Estel_ | every other breaks |
| 22:06.45 | Estel_ | well, even that af -af adaptor got broken |
| 22:06.50 | Estel_ | so it cut it open afterwards |
| 22:06.54 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no way to read it? |
| 22:06.59 | MohammadAG | can someone make me a Y cable with a 64.9ohm resistor in between the 4th and 5th pin? |
| 22:07.06 | arcean | merlin1991: https://gitorious.org/harmattan-projects/controlpanel/commit/55436e69ee9034da72f341607146295c63fdc767 |
| 22:07.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can read it but that doesn't help |
| 22:07.14 | arcean | merlin1991: so it's yours ;) |
| 22:07.28 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: sure it does, automagical enabling of host mode! |
| 22:07.31 | Estel_ | now it have been through bery rough [strike]sex[/strike] treatement, and it's literally indestructible. |
| 22:07.44 | kerio | ...unless you have to poll for it |
| 22:07.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: no alas that's not as easy as you think |
| 22:08.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: basically indeed you need to poll, or at very least apply voltage to that pin |
| 22:08.21 | Estel_ | yes it is, as Pali's usb mode works from userland? |
| 22:08.31 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, why you need that resistor in y-cable? |
| 22:08.36 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, what about the adapter we talked about? |
| 22:08.40 | MohammadAG | Samsung related thing :P |
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| 22:08.45 | Estel_ | :P |
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| 22:08.55 | MohammadAG | to do OTG + Charging you need to fake a dock |
| 22:08.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: eh? |
| 22:09.11 | kerio | microusb port for wallcharger, microusb plug to n900, 1-port usb hub |
| 22:09.13 | MohammadAG | the dock is identified by means of a resistor |
| 22:09.55 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, I just love the custom usb things from manufacturers :P |
| 22:10.06 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, suppose I get i2c tools for Harmattan working, would that incline you to help with OTG? |
| 22:10.08 | merlin1991 | arcean: https://gitorious.org/harmattan-projects/controlpanel/commit/e3fe4ac6122be2c2214238ce4280d9d8c88728ef did you add more hacks than I had already? |
| 22:10.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm busy with other channels |
| 22:10.25 | kerio | so we can only poll while charging, or something |
| 22:10.35 | MohammadAG | Estel_, actually, fun fact, the S3 and Note 2 have an 11 pin microUSB port |
| 22:10.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: I got i2ctools on N950 working since... 2 years? |
| 22:10.44 | Estel_ | kerio, no IRQ for that thing? |
| 22:10.48 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, didn't aegis tell you to gtfo? |
| 22:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I told aegis to gtfo ;-P |
| 22:11.23 | MohammadAG | so how does one enable boost? or is that done in kernel? |
| 22:11.25 | kerio | you silly customer, aegis is there to protect you! |
| 22:11.36 | MohammadAG | I remember you mentioned that there were two boost chips |
| 22:11.47 | MohammadAG | and running the two together would make scrambled eggs |
| 22:11.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you won't get any hostmode with a stock kernel, and you won't get a semi-working maemo6 system with a openmode kernel ever |
| 22:12.06 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, how S3 and Note avoided EU regulations re unified usb charger? |
| 22:12.13 | Estel_ | just because they're not phones? |
| 22:12.21 | MohammadAG | Estel_, they work with all 5 pin stuff |
| 22:12.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: I enabled boost, and I posted about it on FMC or tmo |
| 22:12.28 | MohammadAG | the 6 pins are extra |
| 22:12.28 | arcean | merlin1991: quite possible, there might be a couple of changes from me and Vesuri |
| 22:12.46 | merlin1991 | you should do a mini repo so I can incept a few debs :) |
| 22:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's basically similar to N900 |
| 22:13.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 22:13.30 | MohammadAG | but userspace wouldn't need anything, unlike the N900 |
| 22:13.41 | MohammadAG | (a GUI, scripts, etc |
| 22:13.51 | Estel_ | well, considering jollafolks use N950 for daily tests, working jollamer with updated open kernel for N9/50 could use some hostmode from community |
| 22:14.05 | MohammadAG | that too |
| 22:14.09 | Estel_ | the thing about semi-working harmattan isn't valid, then |
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| 22:14.32 | Estel_ | wanna hildon UI for mer |
| 22:14.47 | MohammadAG | as much as I loved hildon, it's outdated by now tbh |
| 22:14.52 | Estel_ | shows obscure gestures to dead cordia project |
| 22:15.02 | MohammadAG | (and iOS's UI is outdated) |
| 22:15.06 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, I haven't seen more convenient mobile UI |
| 22:15.06 | kerio | MohammadAG: is not |
| 22:15.24 | Estel_ | swipe get on my nerves andl feels too limited for mobile computer |
| 22:15.28 | MohammadAG | Estel_, some android apps have the best UIs out there |
| 22:15.39 | MohammadAG | Ubuntu touch isn't all that bad either |
| 22:15.40 | arcean | merlin1991: qt-components - on the left PR 1.3, on the right our master http://i.imgur.com/6SSHG.png :) |
| 22:15.50 | MohammadAG | Sailfish is good too |
| 22:16.01 | Estel_ | shows even more pbscure gestures to android apps, after being forced to use them for a while |
| 22:16.13 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, but I talk about whole system UI |
| 22:16.24 | Estel_ | for mobile computer, you need something more |
| 22:16.25 | MohammadAG | Estel_, Android is good nowadays |
| 22:16.47 | MohammadAG | but still, Sailfish, BB10, and Harmattan are slightly better |
| 22:16.48 | Estel_ | yes, it is, especially when it arbitrary decided that I don't need ad-hoc |
| 22:17.01 | MohammadAG | Ad-hoc needs to die tbh |
| 22:17.15 | kerio | no it doesn't? |
| 22:17.24 | MohammadAG | why not use infrastructure? |
| 22:17.32 | Estel_ | well, I like it when no trusted AP around, and I need wifi connection between two devices ;) |
| 22:17.44 | MohammadAG | again, why not use infrastructure? |
| 22:17.52 | MohammadAG | Android tethering use it, iOS uses it |
| 22:17.55 | kerio | because infrastructure requires one dude to always be there |
| 22:17.57 | kerio | from the beginning to the end |
| 22:18.01 | Estel_ | because most mobile devices doesn't support being full-fledged AP |
| 22:18.09 | Estel_ | + what kerio said |
| 22:18.15 | MohammadAG | when tethering that doesn't matter |
| 22:18.22 | MohammadAG | but yeah, I forgot that, sorry |
| 22:18.30 | Estel_ | there are other use cases for ad-hoc, seriously |
| 22:18.37 | merlin1991 | Estel_: what exactly stops the chip in the phone to run full AP? |
| 22:18.42 | MohammadAG | I did use them two years back Estel_ |
| 22:18.46 | MohammadAG | I just forgot about them |
| 22:18.47 | Estel_ | and for tethering i preffer PAN for battery reasons |
| 22:19.04 | MohammadAG | Wi-Fi Direct needs to be adopted into new mobiles |
| 22:19.07 | kerio | PAN/DUN aren't fast enough for modern mobile connections though |
| 22:19.14 | merlin1991 | for tethering I prefer the good old usb cable, for security reasons :) |
| 22:19.23 | Estel_ | merlin1991, you ask about N900, or rhetorically, why phone chip manufacturers doesn't add infra? |
| 22:19.46 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, afaik the N9 one can run in AP mode |
| 22:19.49 | Estel_ | kerio, wifi isn't fast enough neither |
| 22:19.59 | MohammadAG | JoikuSpot isn't doing that though |
| 22:20.17 | Estel_ | merlin1991, I preffer usb cable too, most of the times ;) |
| 22:20.41 | Estel_ | well, on N900 i never cared to touch joikuspot, qt mobilehotspot over all |
| 22:20.41 | MohammadAG | I prefer not to tether :) |
| 22:20.47 | Estel_ | even with my dislike for qt |
| 22:21.21 | MohammadAG | that's why I installed a router in my car |
| 22:21.22 | Estel_ | why oh why qt have to suck so much? |
| 22:21.37 | MohammadAG | Qt doesn't suck, Fremantle's implementation of it sucks |
| 22:21.37 | Estel_ | especially, with upcoming embedlite browser for n900 |
| 22:21.48 | MohammadAG | it's too slow compared to Gtk |
| 22:21.54 | MohammadAG | but on Harmattan it's awesome |
| 22:21.55 | Estel_ | well, qt doesn't have problems with respecting xkb hardware remap on desktops? |
| 22:22.05 | MohammadAG | no, afaik |
| 22:22.24 | Estel_ | Mainly, I'm pissed on qt due to it sucking on keyboard input, and wontfix bugs |
| 22:22.34 | MohammadAG | those are hildon-related bugs |
| 22:22.48 | Estel_ | X11/xkb ? 0_o? |
| 22:23.11 | MohammadAG | yes, but Qt themes its input boxes with hildon stuff |
| 22:23.15 | MohammadAG | it's basically one big hack |
| 22:23.23 | Estel_ | and that thing about FM radio written in qt that can't get stereo, ever, due to qt? |
| 22:23.26 | Estel_ | I see. |
| 22:23.37 | Estel_ | well, so i don't like qt only on fremantle, then ;) |
| 22:23.46 | MohammadAG | the Qt implementation of FM radio sucks |
| 22:23.49 | Estel_ | + dislike having both qt and gtk loaded in memory |
| 22:24.00 | MohammadAG | you should try it on Harmattan |
| 22:24.08 | MohammadAG | except there's no QWidget support |
| 22:24.12 | Estel_ | so radio is fremantle related too? |
| 22:24.13 | MohammadAG | there's MTF or QML |
| 22:24.19 | MohammadAG | afaik yes |
| 22:24.30 | MohammadAG | but Harmattan doesn't have official FM radio |
| 22:24.30 | kerio | cfm radio is good |
| 22:24.32 | Estel_ | ok, sorry qt, then *pink flowers* |
| 22:24.57 | Estel_ | kerio, cfm radio is good, but I observed something bad today |
| 22:25.35 | Estel_ | if, during extended period of time, while listening, I plug and unplug headphones repeatedly without stopping radio, device goes into "I pretent I'm dead" mode (not confuse with act-dead) |
| 22:25.50 | Estel_ | 0 reaction to anything, only battery removal and insertion brings it back to life |
| 22:26.12 | Estel_ | if kept in that blackout stage, it heats and eats battery like mad |
| 22:26.34 | Estel_ | I observed in only using cfm radio, probably, because it doesn't shutdown receiving, when headphones are out |
| 22:26.45 | Estel_ | I suspect something kernel-related? no idea |
| 22:27.27 | Estel_ | seems bluetooth/fm hardware get berseker and kills everything, if repeatedly lefvt without headphones, still fully working, and back with antenna again |
| 22:28.10 | Estel_ | btw, once, I tried using radio with headphones as antenna connected, + bluetooth headphones paired and in use |
| 22:28.14 | Estel_ | failed miserably |
| 22:28.23 | Estel_ | I wonder if messing with alsamixer could help? |
| 22:31.08 | Estel_ | from "different barrel", one guy claimed once, that somehow, using wireshark on phonet0, he was able to sniff gsm connections on N900. Couldn't eavesdrop conversations, obviously, but saw connections between other devices in network? |
| 22:31.12 | Estel_ | hoax, or possible? |
| 22:31.34 | kerio | Estel_: what did the syslog say? |
| 22:31.46 | Estel_ | kerio, strange thing - it say nothing |
| 22:31.58 | Estel_ | normal messages, the nothing, then messages after next restart |
| 22:32.10 | Estel_ | device is like fuckin frozen, then |
| 22:32.33 | Estel_ | I also checked screen with external light, to see if framebuffer have printed anything |
| 22:32.43 | Estel_ | (in MALF bootreason, it shows "dim' things) |
| 22:32.48 | Estel_ | nothing. |
| 22:33.23 | Estel_ | I wouldn't know it uses power, if not that I had to keep it in that state in pocket for hour |
| 22:33.32 | Estel_ | well, ~90 minutes, even |
| 22:33.36 | Estel_ | it was quite hot |
| 22:33.42 | Estel_ | and ate 1Ah of power |
| 22:34.15 | kerio | dual scud battery? |
| 22:34.18 | Estel_ | from battery. Battery itself was around 45-50C, when I cycled it to boot device again |
| 22:34.21 | Estel_ | yes |
| 22:34.28 | kerio | otherwise, it wouldn't've lasted 90 minutes at 1A |
| 22:35.00 | Estel_ | well, it was little less, ~700 mA, as it wasted 1Ah during 90 minutes |
| 22:35.24 | Estel_ | seems like it transformed into pocket heater, then |
| 22:36.00 | Estel_ | wonders, how to debug |
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| 22:36.26 | Estel_ | and I'm still interested if technically, that wireshark on phonet0 interface thing is possible, or there are reasons why it couldn't ever work |
| 22:37.07 | Estel_ | well, if it would be proven to work reliably, ebay prices for N900 goes to 1K pounds, quickly, I'm sure. |
| 22:37.58 | kerio | Estel_: i strongly doubt that cmt will ever bother passing the n900 more than it needs to |
| 22:38.21 | kerio | anyway, it's kinda easy to test, just run tshark against phonet0 |
| 22:38.46 | Estel_ | Well, i wonder if anyone tried that, and what results it gave |
| 22:38.59 | Estel_ | it's on my long list of things to do |
| 22:39.01 | Estel_ | :P |
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