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08:21.10lufI need to install CSSU-stable 3.0. Any idea how to do that?
08:23.37kerio...that's pretty specific
08:24.04keriostart from stock, install each exact version
08:27.44kerioinstalling the 3.0 metapackage won't work
08:30.54lufkerio: How to easily find the "each exact version"?
08:46.14kerioluf: apt-cache show mp-fremantle-community-pr
08:46.22kerioand then go look at the dependencies of the version you want
08:46.32kerioand then swap every >= for a == in your mind
08:46.58lufI was affraid you said that :D
08:47.47kerioluf: to be fair, it's easily automable
08:48.05kerioluf: note that you might not necessarily get the exact same thing as -Smaemo3
08:48.14keriobecause dependencies can be pulled in, and they'll default to the latest version
08:49.56pwnguinu/part
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08:50.34lufkerio: :( I need exact -Smaemo3
08:50.40lufI'll try and I see.
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09:00.00kerioluf: http://fpaste.org/Eqv5/raw/ something like this
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09:11.31kerioluf?
09:13.00lufYes?
09:15.57kerioluf: http://fpaste.org/Eqv5/raw/ something like this
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09:25.00lufkerio: thanks I saw that.
09:25.34lufI need some mentaly preparation to reflash my dev N900 ;) two N900 is not enough ..
09:25.52kerio"mental preparation", aka a backup
09:26.51lufkerio: no backup is needed as it's development machine
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14:17.39freemangordonmerlin1991: -thumb repo download speed sucks :(
14:17.56freemangordonI am getting between 50 and 100 KB/s
14:19.11keriohahaha
14:19.18keriopoor merlin1991.at, getting hammered
14:19.44freemangordonyep
14:31.53keriomerlin1991: buy more bandwidth!
14:39.03merlin1991freemangordon: really?
14:39.06merlin1991that's odd
14:39.55freemangordonmerlin1991: seems like it is because of mirrors
14:40.22merlin1991hm current up speed from the server that is being used is 100Kb&s
14:40.35merlin1991s.&./.
14:42.29merlin1991freemangordon: upspeed should be awesome theoretically
14:43.22merlin1991I'm getting straight 1Mb/s when I dl something
14:43.33merlin1991freemangordon: can you try again?
14:44.20freemangordonmerlin1991: not now
14:53.24jonwilis it safe to use r.m.o at this point?
14:59.39keriosafe for what?
15:00.02jonwilas in, is r.m.o stable enough to actually download things from?
15:03.27jonwilhmm, it seems to be up but VERY slow :P
15:03.57lufjonwil: yes it is very slow.
15:06.31keriojonwil: it shouldn't go down
15:06.38jonwilgood
15:07.02jonwilcurrently getting 4.5 kilobits a second speed from rmo
15:07.11jonwilnow its gone right down
15:07.57Palimerlin1991, look at apt cssu merge request
15:08.23Palifreemangordon, merlin1991: when will be next cssu meeting?
15:08.42PaliI have some points for discussion
15:08.51lufjonwil: It's stalled often here and also 345B/s ,,,
15:17.10jonwilis it slow because of an issue with r.m.o (and related infrastructure), because so many people are hitting it or both?
15:20.16M4rtinKI can also report that it is very very VERY slow :)
15:20.34lufjonwil: No idea. But Docs and one admin hunted something on #maemo channel few hours ago.
15:20.47M4rtinKand if I am not mistaken, the CSSU repositories are down at the moment ?
15:20.56M4rtinKat least according to apt-get errors
15:20.57keriojonwil: 5% cpu usage, 25Mbps up
15:21.03lufjonwil: high iowaits ... due to writes
15:21.09kerioluf: nah
15:21.18keriormo is just pushing 25Mbps
15:21.28kerioand nemein does some rate-limitation so packets are dropped
15:21.58jonwilso the answer is what exactly?
15:22.14lufkerio: ok
15:22.41lufjonwil: too many boring N900 users today :D
15:22.47keriojonwil: keep calm and apt-get
15:33.51lufkerio: you frozen the jonwil :D
15:34.04kerio:D
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15:58.43lufWhat are the CSSU-stable repostiories?
15:59.32keriokinda like the debian stable repositories
16:00.16lufkerio: I want to install CSSU-stable 3.0 if you remember. So I can't install it the usual way :(
16:00.56kerioheh
16:01.02keriojust use a mirror
16:01.16keriodeb http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/repository.maemo.org/community/ fremantle free non-free
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17:12.01Palimerlin1991: ping
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18:25.49warfarermo should work but very very slowly.
18:31.10keriowarfare: the issue is that sometimes it's so slow that the timeout kicks in
18:31.56keriowarfare: btw, can't we cheat and use coral?
18:33.41warfarekerio: apt on maemo has http redirects disabled.
18:33.49kerio:(
18:35.27warfareI could set up a varnish on my server and then point repository.maemo.org to my ip. But I don't know, who has access to the DNS.
18:35.39keriohm, so the only thing we could do would be to change the DNS aDAMMIT
18:35.56keriowarfare: hm, are you sure you've got enough bandwidth?
18:36.01keriobandwidth/traffic i mean
18:36.42kerioi think that nokia still controls the domain
18:36.45kerioand the dns
18:37.01keriomaemo.org.21600INNSns.nokia.com.
18:37.09kerioshakes his fist at elop
18:43.24warfarehm, my server at hetzner has around 5T and the one at ovh uses around 2 of its 5T/month.
18:43.52kerio=D
18:44.29warfarethe ovh box hosts a podcast for a friend and a closed music archive, hence the traffic.
18:49.08keriogregoa: are you around? i have a question to you regarding dist-upgrade
18:49.19keriowarfare: ask DocScrutinizer, i suppose
18:50.13keriowarfare: also, it would end up being 270T/day, wouldn't it
18:51.18warfareI'm looking at cloudflare at the moment. ;)
18:51.54keriodoes cloudflare work without redirects?
18:52.18warfareYes, but it needs a DNS change.
18:52.31kerioi figured - *something* must call it
18:52.55keriodoesn't it cost a lot?
18:53.24warfarethe basic one is free.
18:53.40warfarethe pro costs 20$/month.
18:54.03keriowow
18:54.11keriodo they not pay for bandwidth, in some way?
18:54.58warfareI think they just have enough.
18:55.16kerio"100% uptime guarantee" suuuuuuure
18:55.19warfareAnd they make probably enough money with their business and enterprise customers.
18:56.32warfare2 hours edge cache expiry - which is good for our case.
18:56.47lufwarfare: I'm ready to change /etc/hosts ;)
18:57.01kerioluf: nope
18:57.09kerio/etc/hosts can't do CNAMEs
18:57.34lufkerio: ?? Why do I need CNAME?
18:57.45kerioluf: cloudflare isn't *one* server
18:58.14lufkerio: I can use just one of their servers.
18:59.02keriowarfare: it's fair to say that our body is ready
19:00.19warfarecloudflare wants to take over your dns ;)
19:01.02keriohold on, do they?
19:01.07lufwarfare: pitty
19:01.09kerioi thought you just had to set a CNAME
19:01.17kerioi doubt nokia will approve such a radical move
19:01.53warfareI think so.
19:01.56warfarebummer.
19:03.34keriowarfare: well, we only need a subdomain
19:05.53keriowarfare: apparently there's some kind of beta service that uses CNAMEs
19:05.57keriobut it's only for paid customers
19:16.31lufincapsula has 50GB/month limit
19:19.35keriowill cloudflare accept to be the nameserver for a subdomain only? i couldn't find anything about it on the website
19:22.54lufkerio: maemo.org is subdomain of org ;) So it doesn't matter what level of domain is used ;)
19:24.44kerio'yes, we'd like to start using cloudflare on our domain, it's "com". do you think we'll need an enterprise plan for it?'
19:40.54lufkerio: (cssu stable): E: Version '0.7.20.2maemo13.2+0cssu1' for 'apt' was not found
19:41.08lufkerio: My fault.
19:41.19kerio?
19:41.45lufI'm watching Davis cup ... SUI x CZE 5. set and 22:21 ...
19:42.04lufNever ending story. I forget to add cssu stable repo
19:42.10kerio:D
19:44.18luf7 hours of tenis ... it's begin to be boring ...
19:45.42lufWe win!
19:47.13kerio/whoises luf to figure out his nationality
19:47.23kerioyay cz
19:47.28lufW: Failed to fetch http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/repository.maemo.org/community/dists/fremantle/non-free/binary-armel/Packages  404 Not Found [IP: 37.59.41.108 80]
19:47.35keriomadness
19:47.41keriotry using skeiron
19:47.54luf~skeiron
19:48.01kerioskeiron.org/repo/community/
20:09.05lufIt doesn't work for me neither :(
20:09.53thedead1440luf did you check the url? Its supposed to be: http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/community/
20:10.07lufBTW it seems there is no non-free :)
20:10.10keriowhoops
20:10.19lufthedead1440: I also tried this.
20:10.46thedead1440gives a hashsum mismatch?
20:10.49kerioluf: use merlin1991's apt-mirror community thingy
20:10.57keriomaemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/community
20:12.15lufthedead1440: no I can't scroll now. MMNT
20:14.39luf99% [10 Translation-cs gzip 0] [Waiting for headers]gzip: invalid magic
20:14.40lufIgn http://skeiron.org fremantle/non-free Translation-cs
20:14.48lufBut there is no non-free
20:15.16kerioluf: use merlin's
20:16.26lufI see but it doesn't help with: E: Version '3.90.7-9' for 'modest' was not found
20:16.38lufhttp://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/community/pool/fremantle/free/m/modest/
20:17.01lufSo I'm not able to install older cssu stable :(
20:17.59kerio:(
20:18.05keriowhy do you need the older cssu stable?
20:20.51lufI want to reproduce one obexd error (reported by pinochio on TMO)
20:21.25keriotell him to update
20:25.22arcean_IIRC pinochio uses the latest stable cssu
20:31.42lufkerio: cssu-s 3 doesn't have issue with obexd 0.46. But newer cssu-s has the issue.
20:32.03lufI tried to imagine what is the difference :(
20:32.04kerio...so check the changes in obexd and bluez
20:32.11lufkerio: no change
20:32.21keriowhat's the problem?
20:32.39lufkerio: stop working OPP profile which I didn't touched.
20:32.55kerioOPP?
20:33.07lufI go through the cssu-s changelog and see no relevant change :(
20:33.25lufkerio: push files
20:33.40lufkerio: It's send file ... functionality
20:33.59lufhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59114
20:34.10keriohe probably started noticing the problem after -Smaemo3
20:34.32lufYes.
20:37.34arcean_luf: ohh crap, there's another person with this problem on Polish forum
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20:38.27lufarcean_: It's like a ghost.
20:38.45arcean_luf: they said, they noticed the problem after this upgrade: http://fpaste.org/vMsx/
20:38.53lufIs the polish guy able to better describe the situation?
20:39.27arcean_I'll email him
20:39.47lufarcean_: And what problem he faced?
20:40.42lufarcean: can you send me a link to polish forum?
20:41.06arcean_luf: he's not able to send files via bluetooth to his notebook with windows7
20:41.08arcean_ie
20:41.28arcean_since stable 4.1 only original nokia obexd is working
20:41.42lufThat's sound like pinochio :)
20:41.53luf* That sounds ...
20:42.48arcean_yeah, pretty much :)
20:43.23lufarcean: can you send me a link to the polish forum?
20:43.49arcean_sure, http://meegoforum.pl/post4539.html#p4539
20:43.59arcean_pinochio and kownas users :)
20:44.37lufarcean_: BTW the update you send in pastebin is from testing ...
20:45.35arcean_then I have nfc what cssu version he has on device :)
20:46.41lufarcean_: the pulseaudio update is mine ;) And AFAIK isn't in stable still.
20:48.13arcean_maybe his Win7 is screwed ? :D
20:48.26arcean_hmm
20:49.04arcean_ok, tomorrow I'm going to check this with win7 and win8 PCs
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20:50.42lufarcean: It seems to me that it's using L2CAP (as usually RFCOMM).
20:51.11lufBut I don't understand why it stops working :(  CSSU-S 4.1: * Recompiled thumb binaries as non-thumb
20:53.22lufarcean: Also noone report this issue with testing :(
20:53.37lufExcept pinochio (for sure)
20:53.59arcean_and the second guy (kownas)
20:54.29arcean_but as I said earlier, I think it's more about Windows than cssu/obexd/whatever else :D
20:55.23lufarcean_: I'm affraid it's not ... The same problem is with newer bluez :(
20:56.51lufarcean_: the problem is with widcomm bluetooth stack on win side.
20:57.23arcean_hmm
20:57.41arcean_then why it works with old nokia obexd
20:58.26lufarcean_: There is no L2CAP support for OPP ;)
20:58.37lufBut I'm not sure.
20:59.16wumpwoastHey, has anyone made dummy icd connections that tie into wpasupplicant?
20:59.38wumpwoasttrying to get cisco leap wpa-enterprise working, and nokia's normal wireless profiles don't support it
20:59.41wumpwoastbut wpasupplicant does
20:59.52keriohow would DUMMY fix that?
21:00.21wumpwoastI presumed a dummy profile could maybe call a script that calls wpasupplican
21:00.59kerioi'm not sure libicd-network-null has something for that
21:01.13keriocan't you do something similar with ifup.d?
21:01.43wumpwoastdoes bringing an int online with ifup.d send the relevant events so you see the little "wireless" icon as online?
21:02.18keriowumpwoast: no, i mean that you'd get ICD2 to connect to the network, and then you run wpasupplicant from a script in ifup.d, if the ssid matches
21:02.37kerioi'm not sure if it would work, i have no idea of how wpasupplicant works and when it should work
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21:03.54wumpwoastkerio: if ifup.d scripts run when you touch the proper network icon, then this might be worth trying
21:04.00wumpwoastappreciate the help!
21:05.24keriowumpwoast: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2109498 this is my /etc/network/if-up.d/50_wifi_autologin
21:05.38keriobut i don't know when wpa_supplicant is supposed to run
21:05.49keriothis is after dhcp has kicked in
21:07.40wumpwoastwpasupplicant needs to run pre-dhcp. So your idea likely works if I use an if-pre-up.d script
21:07.54kerioooh, probably!
21:07.55kerioneat
21:08.01wumpwoastthe order goes: iwconfig essid, wpasupplicant, dhcp.
21:08.30keriowumpwoast: also, look at the other scripts too, to figure out how to get values from the networking UI and stuff
21:08.34kerioif you want/need them
21:09.14wumpwoastfor some reason I didn't think icd hooked into the /etc/network scripts. Very happy that it does :)
21:18.38keriowumpwoast: having a UI for wpa enterprise would be better
21:18.55keriodammit, where's jonwil when you need him
21:19.08keriowumpwoast: do those networks appear in the list as wpa networks?
21:19.45lufpali, freemangordon: where is KP git?
21:20.00Paliluf, on garage
21:20.04Palior on cssu gitorious
21:20.13Palis/or/and/
21:20.54lufThere is kernel-cssu on cssu gitorious ...
21:21.14Palisee kernel-power branch
21:21.23lufAhh, ok. thanks.
21:23.08lufPali: are there some bluetooth patches?
21:23.32keriowumpwoast: it's a good enough conversation for the public channel :)
21:23.47keriowumpwoast: what does the password you put in do?
21:24.39Paliluf, yes
21:24.46lufPali: hmmm you touched l2cap and we have problems with l2cap :) Maybe it's not coincident ... :D
21:25.22lufmerlin1991: ping
21:26.01wumpwoastkerio: not sure what you mean. I configure my password in the setup screen
21:26.23wumpwoastit tries to connect for a little while and then I get a "failed to connect" message
21:26.31keriowumpwoast: yeah but the password is used to... connect to the network as if it's a wpa-personal network?
21:26.39kerioshould there even be a password request there?
21:27.03wumpwoastno, this would be back to an auth server of some kind (radius probably)
21:27.30kerioi'm not sure if running wpa_supplicant after it's been ran by ICD2 (presumably) would work
21:27.38keriobut hey, you might as well try
21:27.51lufPali: did you test bluetooth-fix-potential-bad-memory-access-with-sysfs-files.diff somehow?
21:27.51wumpwoastI tried running wpa_supplicant, looking for an online event in dbus-scripts
21:27.53wumpwoastand that didn't work
21:28.15wumpwoastit saw the event and appeared to run wpa_supplicant but... no dice.
21:29.00keriowumpwoast: well, wpa_supplicant is also used for wpa-personal, right?
21:29.22kerioand it appears that libicd-network-wlan doesn't have source :(
21:29.24wumpwoastfor the normal nokia icd connections? no...
21:29.39wumpwoastn900's wpa stuff does not seem to use wpasupplicant
21:30.16wumpwoasti've used wpasupplicant for wpa-personal on n900, but normal nokia icd works fine for that purpose. :)
21:30.44keriowumpwoast: well, you can still make yourself a script that does iwconfig, wpasupplicant, dhcpc, route
21:30.57kerioand then run the DUMMY network so maemo apps are happy
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21:31.03Paliluf, that patch was backported by freemangordon
21:31.07Paliluf, ask freemangordon
21:31.28wumpwoastkerio: that's precisely my goal. if icd thinks it's online so I can start skype, then I'm happy
21:31.50keriohoooooooooold on
21:32.13kerioapparently you can just set up a wpa enterprise network
21:32.23keriofeels dumb
21:32.36wumpwoastyes, but that doesn't seem to work with cisco leap wireless :(
21:33.11wumpwoastit works on other wpa-enterprise infrastructure, but not the cisco stuff I have now.
21:33.43kerio"Cisco itself is phasing out LEAP due to weaknesses found in its security model. Therefore Maemo has no plans to support it."
21:33.44kerioFUCKING NOKIA
21:33.52WizardNumberNextwumpwoast: sell cisco, get something normal, become rich man
21:34.05lufPali: can you help me if the patch is also in kernel-cssu? I'm a little bit lost.
21:34.10keriowumpwoast: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3655
21:34.12povbotBug 3655: EAP-LEAP (Cisco) not supported
21:34.43wumpwoastwhich is why I'm out in the weeds messing with wpasupplicant :)
21:35.08kerio\_o_/
21:35.12wumpwoastWizardNumberNext: heart is warmed. :)
21:35.31kerioanyway, libicd-network-null will let you make a fake connection so that maemo apps are happy
21:35.32luffreemangordon: ping
21:35.43kerioin the meantime, you configure the ip stack as you'd like
21:35.47lufkerio: same as dummy ;)
21:36.03kerioi don't think there's a way to make dummy/null run a script when you connect - it would be neat, though
21:36.31Paliluf, I do not know
21:36.39WizardNumberNextI use real coputer for 802.11g serving (two networks) and I am quite sure, that it is much cheaper, then cheapest CISCO you can find
21:36.44Palilook at git history
21:37.57kerioWizardNumberNext: technically linksys is cisco now
21:38.57WizardNumberNextkerio: technically liksys works and is much cheaper; technically my server is PentherSolutions now!
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21:39.08wumpwoastappreciate the help guys. I'll poke my head in once I've got scripts and documentation for this that are tested/working.
21:41.16lufPali: I see KP commits in master branch so I'm not able to identify if it's in kernel-cssu or not :( Any hint?
21:41.42Paliluf, last commit in master branch is merge from kernel-power
21:41.48Palilook at previous commits
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21:50.11merlin1991luf Pali pong
21:51.00lufmerlin1991: do you remember the bluez-4.99 environment you prepared for me?
21:51.07merlin1991yes
21:51.12merlin1991atm it's not ready though
21:51.18lufWhat kernel is there?
21:51.20merlin1991(because I'm not at home)
21:51.24merlin1991stock
21:51.50lufmerlin1991: Isn't there cssu or kp?
21:53.00Palimerlin1991, look: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/apt/merge_requests/1
21:59.45merlin1991luf: nope
22:00.15merlin1991Pali:  I'll look into it (if it's still the same, and if yes push it)
22:00.56Palimerlin1991, when will be next cssu meeting?
22:01.52Palimerlin1991, also look at this merge request: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/gtk/merge_requests/2
22:01.52lufmerlin1991: you killed my last hope :D
22:02.18Paliwhich contains unreleased nokia fixes
22:04.17Palimerlin1991, problem is that I cannot test that gtk patches, because my qemu in scratchobx crashing
22:04.27Paliand I'm unable to compile gtk in scratchbox :-(
22:04.46merlin1991I'll try it
22:04.56merlin1991luf: tbh I'm not really sure
22:05.00merlin1991I can check when I get back home
22:24.21arcean_Pali: I've pushed new gtk with those patches
22:24.43arcean_and so far everything's ok
22:25.02Paliarcean_, so compilation worked?
22:25.05arcean_Pali: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/g/gtk%2b2.0/
22:25.09arcean_yes
22:25.47arcean_Pali: clean fremantle scratchbox env
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22:35.37lufmerlin1991: I'll appreciate it
22:47.18lufmerlin1991: however if you find some time can you test also: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1320243&postcount=503
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