00:01.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_(name)#Fictional_characters >>American movie: Joshua (an AI machine from the 1983 WarGames named for the deceased son of the character that designed the AI system)<< |
00:02.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | it by incidence been the password to log in to that AI machine, iirc |
00:03.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | used a pretty identically hard coded master password "JOSHUA" in 1985 |
00:22.39 | Pali | :D:D |
00:47.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Two of his hacker friends explain the concept of a backdoor password and suggest tracking down the Falken referenced in "Falken's Maze", the first game listed. David discovers that Stephen Falken is an early artificial intelligence researcher, and guesses correctly that his dead son's name "Joshua" is the backdoor password.<< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames |
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00:56.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | look, that's why you need old grumpy farts like me ;-D |
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09:00.46 | kerio | watched wargames multiple times |
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09:38.51 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: :D:D:D |
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10:35.01 | merlin1991 | watched wargames aswell, forgot it was joshua though |
10:35.21 | freemangordon | merlin1991: merge arcean's requests please |
10:35.44 | merlin1991 | I'll get to it when I'm on the train to the hotel |
10:35.47 | merlin1991 | atm I can't |
10:35.54 | freemangordon | ok |
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18:03.00 | merlin1991 | hm train offer free wifi, but it sucks! |
18:03.07 | merlin1991 | s/offer/offers/ |
18:05.28 | merlin1991 | shit I don't have a clone of qt here |
18:05.44 | merlin1991 | freemangordon, arcean can you do a du -hs on the .git dir in your local qt copy? |
18:08.22 | arcean | merlin1991: I have only tarball here, ~146MB |
18:08.40 | merlin1991 | time to rape my umts connection I guess |
18:09.13 | merlin1991 | btw arcean what were the bugs reported by hxka? |
18:10.34 | arcean | merlin1991: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1309256&postcount=1076 |
18:11.08 | merlin1991 | and what's the rationale behind 89b9455fb4776c7ad6e9a9204e4366b20c29c31f ? |
18:11.24 | merlin1991 | if I see this right you reduced the verison number there |
18:12.25 | arcean | ah, yeah. 2.2.147.90 is in cssu-devel |
18:12.34 | arcean | so it will be 1:1 with -devel |
18:19.54 | merlin1991 | ah okay |
18:21.46 | merlin1991 | currently updating my scratchbox :D |
18:22.06 | merlin1991 | but my n900 is acting up, I'll probably do qt when I'm there |
18:22.43 | arcean | sure |
18:23.35 | merlin1991 | seems like yet another modem is on its way to go dead :/ |
18:23.35 | merlin1991 | a reboot brought me back online though |
18:24.38 | arcean | hehe |
18:25.12 | merlin1991 | lets try a git clone of qt xD |
18:25.31 | arcean | yeah, It'll take some time :D |
18:27.59 | merlin1991 | rofl h-d does not build-depend on autotools |
18:28.27 | merlin1991 | and libtool |
18:29.17 | merlin1991 | configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in "." "./.." "./../.." what am I missing now? |
18:29.30 | merlin1991 | (this is a pretty much virgin scratchbox) |
18:30.24 | kerio | merlin1991: if i had to guess |
18:30.32 | kerio | i'd say that you're missing install-sh or install.sh |
18:30.47 | merlin1991 | kerio: :D |
18:41.51 | merlin1991 | on the upside this train is going ~200km/h so it's faster than by car, on the downside, the connection sucks big time |
18:42.08 | kerio | merlin1991: are you using the train's wifi? |
18:42.20 | merlin1991 | the train wifi is even worse than my n900 :D |
18:42.33 | kerio | worse how? |
18:42.33 | merlin1991 | but the n900 drops connection too |
18:42.48 | merlin1991 | well the train wifi has a stable outside connection for maybe 10% of the time |
18:42.51 | kerio | btw, what do you guys use for "tethering"? |
18:42.54 | merlin1991 | with the n900 I reach at least 80% :D |
18:43.06 | merlin1991 | usb cable and homemade script :D |
18:44.55 | merlin1991 | http://paste.debian.net/224320/ |
18:45.03 | ShadowJK | bluetooth dun mostly |
18:45.33 | ShadowJK | Rarely through usb |
18:45.58 | merlin1991 | does bluetooth use more or less power than usb? |
18:46.31 | ShadowJK | Usb is a constant 80mA powerdraw, bluetooth atleast goes down to using almost nothing if there's no data moving |
18:46.34 | merlin1991 | I'm using usb over wlan because that's obviously low power compared, but now that I have bluetooth in here I could use that (if it maeks any sense) |
18:47.02 | merlin1991 | hm gotta set up bluetooth dun then :D |
18:47.25 | ShadowJK | If you're using 3g on N900, the times when it goes from "3.5g" to "3g" is opportunity for saving power |
18:47.32 | ShadowJK | in statusbar |
18:48.31 | kerio | ShadowJK: but... if you have usb, the n900 is getting charged |
18:48.40 | kerio | so it's like negative power draw |
18:48.53 | kerio | also, bt pan > bt dun |
18:48.54 | merlin1991 | unless your laptop is on battery aswell |
18:49.04 | merlin1991 | then you want minimal power drain |
18:49.09 | kerio | of course your laptop isn't on battery as well |
18:49.11 | kerio | you're on a train |
18:49.28 | merlin1991 | well they don't have outlets here that long |
18:49.44 | merlin1991 | and the regional trains still are pretty bare bones |
18:49.51 | merlin1991 | --> trains in austria suck |
18:50.26 | merlin1991 | hm gotta turn off my setup in time though when I hit the austria/germany border |
18:50.33 | merlin1991 | data roaming ain't fun |
18:50.45 | kerio | use the train's wifi! |
18:52.09 | merlin1991 | it drops my quassel connection within seconds |
18:52.19 | merlin1991 | and the resync takes forever because I have 130 open channels |
18:53.13 | kerio | hahahaha |
18:53.17 | kerio | how can you follow 130 channels? |
18:53.57 | merlin1991 | well I follow 20 the others I just read when I find the time |
18:54.31 | merlin1991 | also it does count pm into "channels" on sync |
18:54.38 | merlin1991 | so a few of those are not real channels :) |
18:55.34 | kerio | what's sync, btw' |
18:55.35 | kerio | ? |
18:56.05 | merlin1991 | when the client connects to the core it syncs a (configureable) amount of lines into the buffers |
18:56.10 | merlin1991 | ie in my case I sync back 200 lines |
18:56.32 | merlin1991 | will change that untill he has a proper connection again |
18:57.13 | merlin1991 | hm actually by default it fetches in blocks of 200 and loads 500 per channel |
18:57.32 | kerio | oic |
18:57.34 | kerio | buffer playback |
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19:20.09 | freemangordon | merlin1991: no Qt here, I was waiting for you to push the commits, so me to clone |
19:20.41 | merlin1991 | I should arrive in 2.5 hrs there, I tried to clone here, but the connection drops too often |
19:21.05 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ooh, forget about that, it is some 500MB iirc |
19:21.44 | freemangordon | but why you need to clone to push a merge request? can't you do it via web interface? |
19:22.02 | merlin1991 | the web interface only lets you commit |
19:22.06 | merlin1991 | err comment |
19:22.14 | merlin1991 | there is no magic merge now button |
19:22.18 | freemangordon | aah, fuck |
19:22.44 | freemangordon | maybe it will be faster if arcean clone it and merge the changes locally |
19:23.25 | freemangordon | has always tought there is a magic "merge now" button on gitorious web interface |
19:23.36 | merlin1991 | well he could 'merge' them by simply pusing to master :D |
19:23.36 | merlin1991 | since it is a fast-forward because nobody worked on qt in the meantime |
19:24.00 | freemangordon | well, he should clone first |
19:24.13 | freemangordon | ooh, wait ,no |
19:24.36 | freemangordon | arcean: I think you can add cssu as remote and push your changes |
19:24.45 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ^^^ correct? |
19:26.29 | merlin1991 | hm afaik that's what I said |
19:27.05 | freemangordon | merlin1991: he is using a clone of his own repo |
19:27.14 | freemangordon | not master in CSSU |
19:27.46 | merlin1991 | well he could even do a "git push git@gitorious.org:community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo.git master" |
19:27.56 | freemangordon | exactly |
19:28.00 | freemangordon | arcean: ^^^ |
19:28.03 | merlin1991 | still what I said :D |
19:28.17 | freemangordon | ok, ok, breathe :P |
19:38.10 | freemangordon | merlin1991: your server upload speed sucks :( |
19:38.23 | merlin1991 | huh? |
19:38.29 | merlin1991 | it ususally kicks ass |
19:38.30 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ah, wait, it is not your server |
19:38.37 | freemangordon | it is maemo.org |
19:38.40 | merlin1991 | hehe |
19:38.48 | freemangordon | I am upgrading my armel SB |
19:39.18 | freemangordon | but as I usually do that in -thumb, that is why I mistakenly thought it is yours :D |
19:39.39 | freemangordon | your server kicks ass :D:D:D |
19:40.06 | freemangordon | the fuck, apt-get expects ~1 hour :( |
19:40.40 | freemangordon | download spped 50KB/s, great |
19:40.51 | freemangordon | and going down... |
19:41.25 | merlin1991 | oh shit |
19:41.40 | merlin1991 | that's baaaad |
19:42.02 | freemangordon | went down to 35KB/s now it is ~80 |
19:42.17 | freemangordon | but constantly varying in that range |
19:44.04 | freemangordon | well, it seems the build of microb-engine will have to wait for a while :D |
19:49.39 | merlin1991 | heh I know why I apt-mirrored the maemo.org sdk tools and nokia binaries repo at one point |
19:50.14 | freemangordon | we should mirror CSSU repos too :) |
19:50.20 | merlin1991 | I just fire up an instance of lighttpd and have all the lines in sources.list start with http://127.0.0.1 :D |
19:50.31 | merlin1991 | cssu repos are mirrored |
19:50.41 | freemangordon | otherwise we'll spend a week re-compiling all the stuff :D |
19:51.03 | merlin1991 | see http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ |
19:51.18 | freemangordon | :) |
19:55.22 | arcean | freemangordon: merlin1991: ok, I'll push changes to cssu repo |
19:55.35 | arcean | only qt or hildon-desktop also? |
19:55.41 | freemangordon | both |
19:55.56 | arcean | ok |
19:55.56 | kerio | merlin1991: lightify cssu-testing! |
19:56.03 | merlin1991 | kerio: stufu |
19:56.07 | merlin1991 | ;= |
19:56.07 | kerio | no srsly |
19:56.12 | merlin1991 | s/=/;/ |
19:56.19 | kerio | ";;"? |
19:56.19 | arcean | kerio: lightify? you're joking right ? :D |
19:56.25 | freemangordon | merlin1991 :nod: |
19:57.07 | merlin1991 | kerio: the packages file is 216K you can survive that |
19:57.42 | kerio | arcean: like http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ |
19:57.46 | kerio | only the latest version of each package |
19:58.48 | arcean | I use that extras-devel repo, thanks merlin1991 :) |
19:59.07 | merlin1991 | arcean: the cssu-testing on maemo.org is kinda silly, every version of every package since the start of the cssu adventure is in there |
19:59.09 | kerio | merlin1991: community-testing has like 20 versions of some packages |
19:59.13 | kerio | like the mp |
19:59.26 | merlin1991 | when the migration finally is done I'll pester the admins about that and the problem with libc |
19:59.59 | freemangordon | aah, libc :( |
20:00.18 | merlin1991 | yeah the friggin repo didn't import it |
20:00.33 | freemangordon | yeah, I know |
20:01.06 | merlin1991 | afaik X-Fade copied the setup from extras to initially set up the cssu repo, seems like he kept some sanity checks in there |
20:01.18 | merlin1991 | though possibly I'm talking utter bs atm |
20:01.23 | freemangordon | well, seems like the stuff is moving, so maybe in a month we'll be able to finish that |
20:01.39 | merlin1991 | well in order to finish we need the kernel ;) |
20:01.49 | freemangordon | merlin1991: I know |
20:02.24 | freemangordon | I am wating for Pali to put a sticker "stable" on KP52 and to push the patches in CSSU |
20:02.46 | Pali | and I'm waiting for autobuilder and extras-devel |
20:02.55 | kerio | we're gonna wait foreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever |
20:02.55 | freemangordon | Pali: I know |
20:03.10 | freemangordon | kerio: have a better idea? |
20:03.17 | merlin1991 | hm I've brushed up my python skills this weekend |
20:03.27 | merlin1991 | time to build our own autobuilder? |
20:03.33 | kerio | freemangordon: well, Pali could still put the "stable" sticker on kp52 |
20:04.03 | freemangordon | kerio: no, he can;t, with a userbase consisting of 4 people |
20:04.52 | merlin1991 | hm this feels weird |
20:05.01 | merlin1991 | basically 90% of the people left the train at this stop |
20:05.09 | freemangordon | :D:D:D |
20:05.18 | merlin1991 | incoming zombie apocalypse? |
20:05.28 | freemangordon | welcome to city 17 |
20:06.05 | merlin1991 | hm what was the name of the endboss in city17? |
20:06.19 | freemangordon | can't remember |
20:06.40 | merlin1991 | I mostly remember that I'm still waiting for ep3 :D |
20:06.41 | kerio | the strider? |
20:06.52 | freemangordon | could be |
20:07.01 | kerio | unless you mean breen's elevator |
20:07.04 | merlin1991 | kerio: the thingy on the top of the tower in the middle of city17 whatever its name was |
20:07.13 | kerio | oh, you do |
20:07.21 | kerio | the citadel's reactor thingy |
20:07.25 | freemangordon | yep |
20:07.31 | freemangordon | it was not endboss |
20:07.37 | freemangordon | but "the citadel" |
20:08.30 | kerio | the endboss is clearly the dark fusion reactor |
20:08.35 | kerio | you kill it, and the game ends :) |
20:08.55 | merlin1991 | the other day I played hl1 on hard, I had to realize that recent games are far too easy |
20:08.56 | freemangordon | hmm, iirc you catch a train :D |
20:09.04 | merlin1991 | yep |
20:09.09 | arcean | freemangordon: how's your n950 after flashing? :D |
20:09.41 | kerio | also, i want gman as the hl3 final boss |
20:09.41 | freemangordon | no differnce, kbd bug auto-capitalizing the first couple of letters is still there |
20:09.48 | merlin1991 | I kinda feel like compiling qt4.8 + new webkit for the n950 just to see if the browser gets any better with that |
20:09.53 | freemangordon | but at least it was easier to install skype :D |
20:10.13 | freemangordon | merlin1991: what is wrong with the browser? |
20:10.14 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: twitter is fixed ;) |
20:10.20 | arcean | freemangordon: I haven't seen that kbd bug |
20:10.21 | merlin1991 | render bugs |
20:10.40 | merlin1991 | it's missing quite a few buttons on my router config page xD |
20:10.43 | freemangordon | arcean: open HW kbd and type fast |
20:10.48 | merlin1991 | for example the login button xD |
20:10.57 | arcean | but I've a couple of system packages slightly newer :P |
20:11.15 | arcean | from master branch, like libmeegotouch, qt-components etc |
20:11.27 | merlin1991 | huh, the train socket just got disabled, dafuq? |
20:11.28 | freemangordon | arcean: do you have debs? |
20:11.51 | arcean | yes, on another pc |
20:13.05 | arcean | for e.g. qt-components from PR 1.3 on left and a new version on right http://i.imgur.com/6SSHG.png |
20:20.35 | arcean | merlin1991: qt and h-d commits pushed to master |
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21:40.39 | luf | Pali: did you take a look at the problem with KP52 I reported (kernel oops in usb code)? |
21:40.53 | luf | Pali: (the NULL pointer problem) |
21:40.56 | Pali | luf, can you send me log again? |
21:41.10 | luf | Pali: :) Yes I can. MMNT. |
21:41.55 | freemangordon | luf: wanna try microb-engine built with system zlib and libpng? |
21:44.08 | luf | pali: http://pastebin.com/RF2buGKE |
21:44.29 | luf | freemangordon: yes. Is it in cssu-devel? |
21:44.52 | luf | is cleaning up the osso-gnomevfs-extra code |
21:45.59 | luf | merlin1991: BTW bluez 4.99 has native support for bluetooth dun. No additional package is needed :) |
21:46.42 | Pali | luf, I do not know what to do with that oops... |
21:46.51 | Pali | freemangordon, can you look at it? ^^^ |
21:51.37 | luf | freemangordon: great! After code cleanup I has no core dump with browserd :D |
21:53.07 | freemangordon | Pali: PC is at __bug+0x20/0x2c |
21:53.29 | Pali | but what is __bug ? |
21:53.36 | freemangordon | check in do_pio_rx for some BUG(); |
21:54.02 | freemangordon | Pali: it is the kernel assert() |
21:54.37 | freemangordon | Pali: do you have the code browsable from the inet? |
21:55.24 | Pali | ok, I found it BUG_ON |
21:55.33 | Pali | freemangordon, no |
21:55.39 | freemangordon | BUG_ON(!(csr & MUSB_RXCSR_RXPKTRDY)); ? |
21:55.41 | Pali | we have quilt patches |
21:55.49 | Pali | BUG_ON(!(csr & MUSB_RXCSR_RXPKTRDY)); |
21:55.50 | Pali | yes |
21:56.12 | freemangordon | hmm, some spurious interrupt? |
21:57.17 | freemangordon | Pali: if (retries-- == 0) {... |
21:57.39 | freemangordon | where TF ais retries defined? some global variable? |
21:58.17 | Pali | no, local variable: intretries = 1000; |
21:58.28 | freemangordon | aah, yes |
21:58.29 | Pali | 5 lines up |
21:58.35 | freemangordon | yeah, saw it |
21:59.12 | freemangordon | Pali: I guess that code hasn't changed |
21:59.26 | Pali | yes, it was not changed |
21:59.44 | luf | So HW problem? |
22:00.16 | freemangordon | so (again a wild guess), the interrupt line is enabled when it should not (a) or luf's device/cable is screwed |
22:00.26 | freemangordon | luf: did you try with different cable |
22:00.32 | freemangordon | ? |
22:00.41 | luf | No because it happens only 4 times. |
22:00.59 | luf | I'm using the cable with the dev phone very often. |
22:02.08 | luf | * I use ... |
22:02.16 | freemangordon | Pali: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/maemo/maemo.20101013.txt |
22:02.20 | freemangordon | search for bug |
22:03.29 | luf | freemangordon: I'm not alone :D |
22:04.31 | luf | freemangordon: did you see that after osso-gnomevfs-extra cleanup the browserd core dump doesn't arrive? |
22:04.42 | freemangordon | luf: yes |
22:05.07 | freemangordon | though I wonder what cleanup you are talking about |
22:05.10 | freemangordon | :) |
22:06.05 | luf | I'll upload to git when I finish. After that I'll add posibility to recreate bda -> path hash (in case of gnomevfs daemon failure). |
22:07.09 | freemangordon | luf: did you get such oopses with KP51r1? |
22:07.30 | luf | I find that there is dbus_message_unref prior working with the message data (gchar *). So maybe it was this. |
22:07.47 | luf | freemangordon: It's the only 4 oopses I have ever seen with N900. |
22:07.50 | freemangordon | aah, for sure |
22:08.06 | freemangordon | luf: all of them with KP52, ain't? |
22:10.20 | luf | Shit now I'm checking prod N900 and the error is there also. |
22:10.37 | freemangordon | luf: what kernel? |
22:11.02 | luf | KP50 |
22:11.30 | freemangordon | luf: what machine/os do you connect to? |
22:11.38 | luf | It' not HW problem with N900. |
22:11.46 | freemangordon | sure |
22:11.55 | luf | freemangordon: FC16 (my desktop). |
22:12.17 | luf | But I have no idea if I used the same or different cable :( |
22:13.02 | freemangordon | luf: however the kernel should deal with broken cabling :) |
22:13.43 | freemangordon | luf: do you have some reliable way of reproducing that? |
22:14.01 | luf | freemangordon: no :( |
22:14.38 | luf | The first time on dev N900 I saw when I was very low on battery. But last time N900 has nearly full battery. |
22:15.54 | luf | I'm using dev N900 several month (nearly day to day) and only 4 oopses. |
22:20.08 | freemangordon | hmm, BUG_ON is missing from the upstream code |
22:20.28 | freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/usb/musb/musb_gadget.c#L908 |
22:21.10 | freemangordon | neither there is such a loop |
22:27.54 | luf | Another question. I have a lot ot useless d(x) calls and I want to remove it using #define d(x) ... What is the right construct for it? |
22:28.35 | freemangordon | luf: I am not sure I get your question |
22:28.58 | luf | #define d(x) |
22:29.01 | luf | Is it correct? |
22:29.28 | freemangordon | yep |
22:30.39 | luf | I see recomendation to use it this (safer way): #define d(x) {} |
22:31.02 | freemangordon | should not matter |
22:31.35 | luf | Right. I'll try :) |
22:39.05 | freemangordon | luf: unfortunately I don;t think we'll be able to fix that bug without having a way to reproduce it :(. anyway, lets see if Pali will come up with something |
22:40.17 | luf | freemangordon: I understand. |
22:41.03 | freemangordon | uploading microb-engine in cssu-devel |
22:47.02 | luf | freemangordon: I pushed the cleanup into git. |
22:47.27 | freemangordon | do you mind to upluad to -devel too? |
22:47.31 | freemangordon | *upload |
22:48.05 | luf | Not now. I'll finish one task first. |
22:55.39 | freemangordon | <PROTECTED> |
22:55.53 | luf | freemangordon: gread job. Thanks. |
23:00.06 | freemangordon | the fuck, I had forgotten how slow is microb ARM build :) |
23:00.23 | luf | :D |
23:04.21 | luf | freemangordon: tell us how long it takes. |
23:04.37 | freemangordon | which one? |
23:04.56 | luf | freemangordon: microb ARM build |
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23:05.44 | freemangordon | oh, you got me wrong, I mean - how slow is microb when microb-engine is build with gcc 4.2.1 |
23:06.20 | freemangordon | otherwise the build takes ~40 minutes |
23:06.24 | luf | freemangordon: What's the difference (%) ? |
23:06.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | did *anything* regarding internet connection and particularly DHCP change in CSSU (lately)? |
23:06.59 | freemangordon | NFC, it is just rendering much slower than -thumb build |
23:07.27 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: afaik Pali has changed something, though not sure if it is in -testing |
23:07.49 | luf | freemangordon, DocScrutinizer05: it's disabled by default. |
23:07.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I had more issues with broken connectivity during last 2 weeks orso than the 4 years before |
23:08.07 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, changes are only in usb0 |
23:08.14 | Pali | and everything is disabled by default |
23:09.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | given the low frequency I leave home, I could almost claim it's 100% reproducible |
23:09.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll keep an eye on it |
23:09.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | frowns |
23:15.17 | kerio | don't frown! you'll get wrinkles! |
23:27.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | leaving WLAN area, 2.5G doesn't connect. Switching to "dual", takes 20s to crank up 3G, still no connect. "No Internet". Connecting to GPRS, switching back to 2.5G, works. |
23:28.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Feels like ICD2 or whomever doesn't connect to GPRS anymore, though I got setting "connect to any internet available" |
23:30.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather "automatic connect: Any connection" |
23:41.29 | ShadowJK | would blame operator |
23:42.12 | ShadowJK | left home today, N900 connected to 2.5g |
23:47.25 | luf | freemangordon: ping |
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23:51.40 | luf | freemangordon: libnspr4 libnss3 libnss3-certs - these packages were uploaded with microb-engine? |