IRC log for #maemo-ssu on 20130113

00:01.48DocScrutinizer05http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_(name)#Fictional_characters  >>American movie: Joshua (an AI machine from the 1983 WarGames named for the deceased son of the character that designed the AI system)<<
00:02.43DocScrutinizer05it by incidence been the password to log in to that AI machine, iirc
00:03.22DocScrutinizer05used a pretty identically hard coded master password "JOSHUA" in 1985
00:22.39Pali:D:D
00:47.57DocScrutinizer05>>Two of his hacker friends explain the concept of a backdoor password and suggest tracking down the Falken referenced in "Falken's Maze", the first game listed. David discovers that Stephen Falken is an early artificial intelligence researcher, and guesses correctly that his dead son's name "Joshua" is the backdoor password.<< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames
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00:56.22DocScrutinizer05look, that's why you need old grumpy farts like me ;-D
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09:00.46keriowatched wargames multiple times
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09:38.51freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: :D:D:D
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10:35.01merlin1991watched wargames aswell, forgot it was joshua though
10:35.21freemangordonmerlin1991: merge arcean's requests please
10:35.44merlin1991I'll get to it when I'm on the train to the hotel
10:35.47merlin1991atm I can't
10:35.54freemangordonok
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18:03.00merlin1991hm train offer free wifi, but it sucks!
18:03.07merlin1991s/offer/offers/
18:05.28merlin1991shit I don't have a clone of qt here
18:05.44merlin1991freemangordon, arcean can you do a du -hs on the .git dir in your local qt copy?
18:08.22arceanmerlin1991: I have only tarball here, ~146MB
18:08.40merlin1991time to rape my umts connection I guess
18:09.13merlin1991btw arcean what were the bugs reported by hxka?
18:10.34arceanmerlin1991: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1309256&postcount=1076
18:11.08merlin1991and what's the rationale behind 89b9455fb4776c7ad6e9a9204e4366b20c29c31f ?
18:11.24merlin1991if I see this right you reduced the verison number there
18:12.25arceanah, yeah. 2.2.147.90 is in cssu-devel
18:12.34arceanso it will be 1:1 with -devel
18:19.54merlin1991ah okay
18:21.46merlin1991currently updating my scratchbox :D
18:22.06merlin1991but my n900 is acting up, I'll probably do qt when I'm there
18:22.43arceansure
18:23.35merlin1991seems like yet another modem is on its way to go dead :/
18:23.35merlin1991a reboot brought me back online though
18:24.38arceanhehe
18:25.12merlin1991lets try a git clone of qt xD
18:25.31arceanyeah, It'll take some time :D
18:27.59merlin1991rofl h-d does not build-depend on autotools
18:28.27merlin1991and libtool
18:29.17merlin1991configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in "." "./.." "./../.."  what am I missing now?
18:29.30merlin1991(this is a pretty much virgin scratchbox)
18:30.24keriomerlin1991: if i had to guess
18:30.32kerioi'd say that you're missing install-sh or install.sh
18:30.47merlin1991kerio: :D
18:41.51merlin1991on the upside this train is going ~200km/h so it's faster than by car, on the downside, the connection sucks big time
18:42.08keriomerlin1991: are you using the train's wifi?
18:42.20merlin1991the train wifi is even worse than my n900 :D
18:42.33kerioworse how?
18:42.33merlin1991but the n900 drops connection too
18:42.48merlin1991well the train wifi has a stable outside connection for maybe 10% of the time
18:42.51keriobtw, what do you guys use for "tethering"?
18:42.54merlin1991with the n900 I reach at least 80% :D
18:43.06merlin1991usb cable and homemade script :D
18:44.55merlin1991http://paste.debian.net/224320/
18:45.03ShadowJKbluetooth dun mostly
18:45.33ShadowJKRarely through usb
18:45.58merlin1991does bluetooth use more or less power than usb?
18:46.31ShadowJKUsb is a constant 80mA powerdraw, bluetooth atleast goes down to using almost nothing if there's no data moving
18:46.34merlin1991I'm using usb over wlan because that's obviously low power compared, but now that I have bluetooth in here I could use that (if it maeks any sense)
18:47.02merlin1991hm gotta set up bluetooth dun then :D
18:47.25ShadowJKIf you're using 3g on N900, the times when it goes from "3.5g" to "3g" is opportunity for saving power
18:47.32ShadowJKin statusbar
18:48.31kerioShadowJK: but... if you have usb, the n900 is getting charged
18:48.40kerioso it's like negative power draw
18:48.53kerioalso, bt pan > bt dun
18:48.54merlin1991unless your laptop is on battery aswell
18:49.04merlin1991then you want minimal power drain
18:49.09kerioof course your laptop isn't on battery as well
18:49.11kerioyou're on a train
18:49.28merlin1991well they don't have outlets here that long
18:49.44merlin1991and the regional trains still are pretty bare bones
18:49.51merlin1991--> trains in austria suck
18:50.26merlin1991hm gotta turn off my setup in time though when I hit the austria/germany border
18:50.33merlin1991data roaming ain't fun
18:50.45keriouse the train's wifi!
18:52.09merlin1991it drops my quassel connection within seconds
18:52.19merlin1991and the resync takes forever because I have 130 open channels
18:53.13keriohahahaha
18:53.17keriohow can you follow 130 channels?
18:53.57merlin1991well I follow 20 the others I just read when I find the time
18:54.31merlin1991also it does count pm into "channels" on sync
18:54.38merlin1991so a few of those are not real channels :)
18:55.34keriowhat's sync, btw'
18:55.35kerio?
18:56.05merlin1991when the client connects to the core it syncs a (configureable) amount of lines into the buffers
18:56.10merlin1991ie in my case I sync back 200 lines
18:56.32merlin1991will change that untill he has a proper connection again
18:57.13merlin1991hm actually by default it fetches in blocks of 200 and loads 500 per channel
18:57.32keriooic
18:57.34keriobuffer playback
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19:20.09freemangordonmerlin1991: no Qt here, I was waiting for you to push the commits, so me to clone
19:20.41merlin1991I should arrive in 2.5 hrs there, I tried to clone here, but the connection drops too often
19:21.05freemangordonmerlin1991: ooh, forget about that, it is some 500MB iirc
19:21.44freemangordonbut why you need to clone to push a merge request? can't you do it via web interface?
19:22.02merlin1991the web interface only lets you commit
19:22.06merlin1991err comment
19:22.14merlin1991there is no magic merge now button
19:22.18freemangordonaah, fuck
19:22.44freemangordonmaybe it will be faster if arcean clone it and merge the changes locally
19:23.25freemangordonhas always tought there is a magic "merge now" button on gitorious web interface
19:23.36merlin1991well he could 'merge' them by simply pusing to master :D
19:23.36merlin1991since it is a fast-forward because nobody worked on qt in the meantime
19:24.00freemangordonwell, he should clone first
19:24.13freemangordonooh, wait ,no
19:24.36freemangordonarcean: I think you can add cssu as remote and push your changes
19:24.45freemangordonmerlin1991: ^^^ correct?
19:26.29merlin1991hm afaik that's what I said
19:27.05freemangordonmerlin1991: he is using a clone of his own repo
19:27.14freemangordonnot master in CSSU
19:27.46merlin1991well he could even do a "git push git@gitorious.org:community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo.git master"
19:27.56freemangordonexactly
19:28.00freemangordonarcean: ^^^
19:28.03merlin1991still what I said :D
19:28.17freemangordonok, ok, breathe :P
19:38.10freemangordonmerlin1991: your server upload speed sucks :(
19:38.23merlin1991huh?
19:38.29merlin1991it ususally kicks ass
19:38.30freemangordonmerlin1991: ah, wait, it is not your server
19:38.37freemangordonit is maemo.org
19:38.40merlin1991hehe
19:38.48freemangordonI am upgrading my armel SB
19:39.18freemangordonbut as I usually do that in -thumb, that is why I mistakenly thought it is yours :D
19:39.39freemangordonyour server kicks ass :D:D:D
19:40.06freemangordonthe fuck, apt-get expects ~1 hour :(
19:40.40freemangordondownload spped 50KB/s, great
19:40.51freemangordonand going down...
19:41.25merlin1991oh shit
19:41.40merlin1991that's baaaad
19:42.02freemangordonwent down to 35KB/s now it is ~80
19:42.17freemangordonbut constantly varying in that range
19:44.04freemangordonwell, it seems the build of microb-engine will have to wait for a while :D
19:49.39merlin1991heh I know why I apt-mirrored the maemo.org sdk tools and nokia binaries repo at one point
19:50.14freemangordonwe should mirror CSSU repos too :)
19:50.20merlin1991I just fire up an instance of lighttpd and have all the lines in sources.list start with http://127.0.0.1 :D
19:50.31merlin1991cssu repos are mirrored
19:50.41freemangordonotherwise we'll spend a week re-compiling all the stuff :D
19:51.03merlin1991see http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/
19:51.18freemangordon:)
19:55.22arceanfreemangordon: merlin1991: ok, I'll push changes to cssu repo
19:55.35arceanonly qt or hildon-desktop also?
19:55.41freemangordonboth
19:55.56arceanok
19:55.56keriomerlin1991: lightify cssu-testing!
19:56.03merlin1991kerio: stufu
19:56.07merlin1991;=
19:56.07keriono srsly
19:56.12merlin1991s/=/;/
19:56.19kerio";;"?
19:56.19arceankerio: lightify? you're joking right ? :D
19:56.25freemangordonmerlin1991 :nod:
19:57.07merlin1991kerio: the packages file is 216K you can survive that
19:57.42kerioarcean: like http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/
19:57.46kerioonly the latest version of each package
19:58.48arceanI use that extras-devel repo, thanks merlin1991 :)
19:59.07merlin1991arcean: the cssu-testing on maemo.org is kinda silly, every version of every package since the start of the cssu adventure is in there
19:59.09keriomerlin1991: community-testing has like 20 versions of some packages
19:59.13keriolike the mp
19:59.26merlin1991when the migration finally is done I'll pester the admins about that and the problem with libc
19:59.59freemangordonaah, libc :(
20:00.18merlin1991yeah the friggin repo didn't import it
20:00.33freemangordonyeah, I know
20:01.06merlin1991afaik X-Fade copied the setup from extras to initially set up the cssu repo, seems like he kept some sanity checks in there
20:01.18merlin1991though possibly I'm talking utter bs atm
20:01.23freemangordonwell, seems like the stuff is moving, so maybe in a month we'll be able to finish that
20:01.39merlin1991well in order to finish we need the kernel ;)
20:01.49freemangordonmerlin1991: I know
20:02.24freemangordonI am wating for Pali to put a sticker "stable" on KP52 and to push the patches in CSSU
20:02.46Paliand I'm waiting for autobuilder and extras-devel
20:02.55keriowe're gonna wait foreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever
20:02.55freemangordonPali: I know
20:03.10freemangordonkerio: have a better idea?
20:03.17merlin1991hm I've brushed up my python skills this weekend
20:03.27merlin1991time to build our own autobuilder?
20:03.33keriofreemangordon: well, Pali could still put the "stable" sticker on kp52
20:04.03freemangordonkerio: no, he can;t, with a userbase consisting of 4 people
20:04.52merlin1991hm this feels weird
20:05.01merlin1991basically 90% of the people left the train at this stop
20:05.09freemangordon:D:D:D
20:05.18merlin1991incoming zombie apocalypse?
20:05.28freemangordonwelcome to city 17
20:06.05merlin1991hm what was the name of the endboss in city17?
20:06.19freemangordoncan't remember
20:06.40merlin1991I mostly remember that I'm still waiting for ep3 :D
20:06.41keriothe strider?
20:06.52freemangordoncould be
20:07.01keriounless you mean breen's elevator
20:07.04merlin1991kerio: the thingy on the top of the tower in the middle of city17 whatever its name was
20:07.13keriooh, you do
20:07.21keriothe citadel's reactor thingy
20:07.25freemangordonyep
20:07.31freemangordonit was not endboss
20:07.37freemangordonbut "the citadel"
20:08.30keriothe endboss is clearly the dark fusion reactor
20:08.35kerioyou kill it, and the game ends :)
20:08.55merlin1991the other day I played hl1 on hard, I had to realize that recent games are far too easy
20:08.56freemangordonhmm, iirc you catch a train :D
20:09.04merlin1991yep
20:09.09arceanfreemangordon: how's your n950 after flashing? :D
20:09.41kerioalso, i want gman as the hl3 final boss
20:09.41freemangordonno differnce, kbd bug auto-capitalizing the first couple of letters is still there
20:09.48merlin1991I kinda feel like compiling qt4.8 + new webkit for the n950 just to see if the browser gets any better with that
20:09.53freemangordonbut at least it was easier to install skype :D
20:10.13freemangordonmerlin1991: what is wrong with the browser?
20:10.14merlin1991freemangordon: twitter is fixed ;)
20:10.20arceanfreemangordon: I haven't seen that kbd bug
20:10.21merlin1991render bugs
20:10.40merlin1991it's missing quite a few buttons on my router config page xD
20:10.43freemangordonarcean: open HW kbd and type fast
20:10.48merlin1991for example the login button xD
20:10.57arceanbut I've a couple of system packages slightly newer :P
20:11.15arceanfrom master branch, like libmeegotouch, qt-components etc
20:11.27merlin1991huh, the train socket just got disabled, dafuq?
20:11.28freemangordonarcean: do you have debs?
20:11.51arceanyes, on another pc
20:13.05arceanfor e.g. qt-components from PR 1.3 on left and a new version on right http://i.imgur.com/6SSHG.png
20:20.35arceanmerlin1991: qt and h-d commits pushed to master
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21:40.39lufPali: did you take a look at the problem with KP52 I reported (kernel oops in usb code)?
21:40.53lufPali: (the NULL pointer problem)
21:40.56Paliluf, can you send me log again?
21:41.10lufPali: :) Yes I can. MMNT.
21:41.55freemangordonluf: wanna try microb-engine built with system zlib and libpng?
21:44.08lufpali: http://pastebin.com/RF2buGKE
21:44.29luffreemangordon: yes. Is it in cssu-devel?
21:44.52lufis cleaning up the osso-gnomevfs-extra code
21:45.59lufmerlin1991: BTW bluez 4.99 has native support for bluetooth dun. No additional package is needed :)
21:46.42Paliluf, I do not know what to do with that oops...
21:46.51Palifreemangordon, can you look at it? ^^^
21:51.37luffreemangordon: great! After code cleanup I has no core dump with browserd :D
21:53.07freemangordonPali: PC is at __bug+0x20/0x2c
21:53.29Palibut what is __bug ?
21:53.36freemangordoncheck in do_pio_rx for some BUG();
21:54.02freemangordonPali: it is the kernel assert()
21:54.37freemangordonPali: do you have the code browsable from the inet?
21:55.24Paliok, I found it BUG_ON
21:55.33Palifreemangordon, no
21:55.39freemangordonBUG_ON(!(csr & MUSB_RXCSR_RXPKTRDY)); ?
21:55.41Paliwe have quilt patches
21:55.49PaliBUG_ON(!(csr & MUSB_RXCSR_RXPKTRDY));
21:55.50Paliyes
21:56.12freemangordonhmm, some spurious interrupt?
21:57.17freemangordonPali: if (retries-- == 0) {...
21:57.39freemangordonwhere TF ais retries defined? some global variable?
21:58.17Palino, local variable: intretries = 1000;
21:58.28freemangordonaah, yes
21:58.29Pali5 lines up
21:58.35freemangordonyeah, saw it
21:59.12freemangordonPali: I guess that code hasn't changed
21:59.26Paliyes, it was not changed
21:59.44lufSo HW problem?
22:00.16freemangordonso (again a wild guess), the interrupt line is enabled when it should not (a) or luf's device/cable is screwed
22:00.26freemangordonluf: did you try with different cable
22:00.32freemangordon?
22:00.41lufNo because it happens only 4 times.
22:00.59lufI'm using the cable with the dev phone very often.
22:02.08luf* I use ...
22:02.16freemangordonPali: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/maemo/maemo.20101013.txt
22:02.20freemangordonsearch for bug
22:03.29luffreemangordon: I'm not alone :D
22:04.31luffreemangordon: did you see that after osso-gnomevfs-extra cleanup the browserd core dump doesn't arrive?
22:04.42freemangordonluf: yes
22:05.07freemangordonthough I wonder what cleanup you are talking about
22:05.10freemangordon:)
22:06.05lufI'll upload to git when I finish. After that I'll add posibility to recreate bda -> path hash (in case of gnomevfs daemon failure).
22:07.09freemangordonluf: did you get such oopses with KP51r1?
22:07.30lufI find that there is dbus_message_unref prior working with the message data (gchar *). So maybe it was this.
22:07.47luffreemangordon: It's the only 4 oopses I have ever seen with N900.
22:07.50freemangordonaah, for sure
22:08.06freemangordonluf: all of them with KP52, ain't?
22:10.20lufShit now I'm checking prod N900 and the error is there also.
22:10.37freemangordonluf: what kernel?
22:11.02lufKP50
22:11.30freemangordonluf: what machine/os do you connect to?
22:11.38lufIt' not HW problem with N900.
22:11.46freemangordonsure
22:11.55luffreemangordon: FC16 (my desktop).
22:12.17lufBut I have no idea if I used the same or different cable :(
22:13.02freemangordonluf: however the kernel should deal with broken cabling :)
22:13.43freemangordonluf: do you have some reliable way of reproducing that?
22:14.01luffreemangordon: no :(
22:14.38lufThe first time on dev N900 I saw when I was very low on battery. But last time N900 has nearly full battery.
22:15.54lufI'm using dev N900 several month (nearly day to day) and only 4 oopses.
22:20.08freemangordonhmm, BUG_ON is missing from the upstream code
22:20.28freemangordonPali: ^^^ http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/usb/musb/musb_gadget.c#L908
22:21.10freemangordonneither there is such a loop
22:27.54lufAnother question. I have a lot ot useless d(x) calls and I want to remove it using #define d(x) ... What is the right construct for it?
22:28.35freemangordonluf: I am not sure I get your question
22:28.58luf#define d(x)
22:29.01lufIs it correct?
22:29.28freemangordonyep
22:30.39lufI see recomendation to use it this (safer way): #define d(x) {}
22:31.02freemangordonshould not matter
22:31.35lufRight. I'll try :)
22:39.05freemangordonluf: unfortunately I don;t think we'll be able to fix that bug without having a way to reproduce it :(. anyway, lets see if Pali will come up with something
22:40.17luffreemangordon: I understand.
22:41.03freemangordonuploading microb-engine in cssu-devel
22:47.02luffreemangordon: I pushed the cleanup into git.
22:47.27freemangordondo you mind to upluad to -devel too?
22:47.31freemangordon*upload
22:48.05lufNot now. I'll finish one task first.
22:55.39freemangordon<PROTECTED>
22:55.53luffreemangordon: gread job. Thanks.
23:00.06freemangordonthe fuck, I had forgotten how slow is microb ARM build :)
23:00.23luf:D
23:04.21luffreemangordon: tell us how long it takes.
23:04.37freemangordonwhich one?
23:04.56luffreemangordon: microb ARM build
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23:05.44freemangordonoh, you got me wrong, I mean - how slow is microb when microb-engine is build with gcc 4.2.1
23:06.20freemangordonotherwise the build takes ~40 minutes
23:06.24luffreemangordon: What's the difference (%) ?
23:06.54DocScrutinizer05did *anything* regarding internet connection and particularly DHCP change in CSSU (lately)?
23:06.59freemangordonNFC, it is just rendering much slower than -thumb build
23:07.27freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: afaik Pali has changed something, though not sure if it is in -testing
23:07.49luffreemangordon, DocScrutinizer05: it's disabled by default.
23:07.53DocScrutinizer05I had more issues with broken connectivity during last 2 weeks orso than the 4 years before
23:08.07PaliDocScrutinizer05, changes are only in usb0
23:08.14Paliand everything is disabled by default
23:09.07DocScrutinizer05given the low frequency I leave home, I could almost claim it's 100% reproducible
23:09.36DocScrutinizer05I'll keep an eye on it
23:09.51DocScrutinizer05frowns
23:15.17keriodon't frown! you'll get wrinkles!
23:27.54DocScrutinizer05leaving WLAN area, 2.5G doesn't connect. Switching to "dual", takes 20s to crank up 3G, still no connect. "No Internet". Connecting to GPRS, switching back to 2.5G, works.
23:28.48DocScrutinizer05Feels like ICD2 or whomever doesn't connect to GPRS anymore, though I got setting "connect to any internet available"
23:30.02DocScrutinizer05rather "automatic connect: Any connection"
23:41.29ShadowJKwould blame operator
23:42.12ShadowJKleft home today, N900 connected to 2.5g
23:47.25luffreemangordon: ping
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23:51.40luffreemangordon: libnspr4 libnss3 libnss3-certs - these packages were uploaded with microb-engine?

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