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06:47.50 | freemangordon | Pali: seems your "protocol version" PA patch breaks something, this is what I get in syslog with it: |
06:47.53 | freemangordon | Jan 10 22:26:32 Nokia-N900 pulseaudio[815]: client-ext.c: client-ext.c: Can't obtain command line |
06:47.54 | freemangordon | Jan 10 22:26:55 Nokia-N900 pulseaudio[815]: ratelimit.c: 2 events suppressed |
06:48.29 | Pali | freemangordon, note that I added support for syslog too |
06:48.40 | Pali | so in last version all syslog messages was discarted |
06:48.52 | freemangordon | luf: I added one more patch on top of yours (the one from ubuntu bugtracker) |
06:48.56 | Pali | can you add syslog patch to pulseaudio and try it with old version? |
06:49.03 | freemangordon | Pali: that might have been on puropse |
06:49.11 | freemangordon | *purpose |
06:49.58 | freemangordon | Pali: can't do it now, I'm in the office, don;t want to risk a bootloop my primary |
06:50.06 | Pali | ok |
06:52.17 | freemangordon | Pali: where did you enable that? which patch? |
06:53.06 | Pali | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/pulseaudio/commit/c90f16a20f8ada12d346d94a8cb847d0037715ed |
06:53.13 | Pali | onky last line |
06:53.18 | freemangordon | ok |
06:53.19 | Pali | --log-target=syslog |
06:53.50 | freemangordon | aah, I see, it should be that then |
06:54.12 | freemangordon | will test when possible |
06:54.27 | Pali | ok |
06:58.33 | freemangordon | Pali: BTW how battery applet calculates the remaining charge and bars? |
06:59.06 | Pali | when using BME or replacement, it send all data |
06:59.25 | freemangordon | as according to it now I hav 68% charge/974 mA/6 bars |
06:59.39 | freemangordon | I've disconnected from the charger 1.5 hours ago :D |
07:00.01 | Pali | do you use BME? |
07:00.04 | freemangordon | yes |
07:00.14 | Pali | so ask BME devs :D |
07:00.26 | Pali | it only show what BME send... |
07:00.44 | Pali | but you *should* see two times |
07:00.50 | freemangordon | I see |
07:00.55 | Pali | first is active and second is idle |
07:01.10 | freemangordon | 4 hours/4 days |
07:01.23 | Pali | in BME readme file is written that active time is about 2 hours... |
07:01.38 | Pali | idle time in BME readme file is missing... |
07:01.45 | freemangordon | which device is that? :D |
07:01.53 | freemangordon | 2 hours of active time |
07:01.54 | Pali | rx-51 |
07:02.00 | freemangordon | hehe |
07:02.33 | Pali | but on bme replacement I'm using two bq27 registers for time: MLTTE for idle |
07:02.37 | Pali | and some for active |
07:02.47 | Pali | (that which give average value) |
07:02.48 | freemangordon | yeah, I know that replacement is fine |
07:02.58 | Pali | and it reporting very similar times |
07:03.12 | Pali | 4-5 hours / 3-5 days |
07:03.43 | freemangordon | but wonder if it is a wise idea to put this in CSSU (now). |
07:04.05 | freemangordon | it will cause lots of fuss |
07:04.31 | freemangordon | Pali: BTW have in ming I have 1410 mAh battery |
07:04.37 | freemangordon | (or was it 1430) |
07:04.49 | kerio | freemangordon: i want that battery :( |
07:05.08 | freemangordon | kerio: kust buy one, all new BL5Js are 1403 |
07:05.12 | freemangordon | *1430 |
07:05.20 | freemangordon | I took that from an Asha |
07:05.33 | kerio | i'm waiting for a weird chinese battery to arrive, vi claims that it's 1600 |
07:05.42 | kerio | as in, he did multiple calibrations and it ended up there |
07:05.44 | freemangordon | yeah, I know |
07:07.55 | freemangordon | Pali: I have the feeling your applet shows one bar lower than stock, for the same data |
07:07.56 | Pali | do you trust chinese battery?? |
07:08.20 | Pali | I do not want to see exploding my phone... |
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07:08.43 | freemangordon | also stock applet shows red bar on batery low warning, yours way before that |
07:08.45 | Pali | freemangordon, bars are reported from BME |
07:08.59 | Pali | only % is calculated to rx51_battery if loded |
07:09.02 | Pali | *loaded |
07:09.14 | Pali | so this is maybe problem... |
07:09.16 | freemangordon | Pali: The value is reported by bme, yes, but it is the applet that is using it |
07:10.02 | freemangordon | aiui your applet shows red bar on battery.charge_level.current = 1 aiui |
07:10.20 | freemangordon | I guess stock does that on battery.charge_level.current = 0 |
07:11.42 | freemangordon | same for max, you (IMO correctly) show 6 bars on 68 persent load, but stock shows 7 bars(not verified though) |
07:11.50 | freemangordon | s/load/charge |
07:12.27 | freemangordon | luf: another patch should be done on top of "yours" in PA |
07:12.39 | freemangordon | luf: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/924416 |
07:12.50 | luf | freemangordon: I saw you already added ... |
07:13.07 | freemangordon | I did that and installed on my test device, seems like working |
07:13.24 | freemangordon | luf: where did you saw that? I didn;t push anything |
07:13.52 | freemangordon | (iirc) |
07:14.44 | luf | freemangordonluf: I added one more patch on top of yours (the one from ubuntu bugtracker) |
07:14.52 | freemangordon | aah, ok :) |
07:15.13 | freemangordon | luf: I was not sure you've read it |
07:15.30 | freemangordon | however, do you want me to upload the debs? |
07:15.31 | luf | So may I push my changes into git? |
07:15.35 | freemangordon | luf: no |
07:15.49 | luf | So please give me the patch. I'll manage it. |
07:15.57 | freemangordon | the one on ubuntu does not apply cleanly on top of Nokia's |
07:16.15 | freemangordon | so i got flist.c from upstream |
07:16.16 | freemangordon | ok |
07:16.40 | luf | Please just upload the flist.c. |
07:17.11 | freemangordon | luf: BTW everything here is commited, just not pushed, what if I push in a new branc (devel or next or flist) |
07:17.19 | freemangordon | or just push in master |
07:17.30 | kerio | freemangordon: Pali's applet is... special |
07:17.58 | freemangordon | luf: I mean, why waste time, I everything is in place (the patch, changelog, everything) |
07:18.26 | luf | freemangordon: I did the patch (againist building trees) between libxml2 2.6 and 2.8 (around 200.000 lines so aprox 100.000 of changes). Do you still want it? |
07:19.19 | freemangordon | yep, upload it please, I'll try to find time to try t verify what has changed |
07:19.20 | luf | freemangordon: Ok. So let's manage it. Feel free to create new branch/git for merge request. |
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07:19.52 | freemangordon | luf: i'll push to master, ok? |
07:20.49 | freemangordon | (i forgot to branch before doing changes :( ) |
07:20.59 | rantom | Morning. |
07:21.13 | luf | Ok. I hope you splitted the config change for AudioSink from the rest :) |
07:21.22 | luf | rantom: Morning. |
07:22.05 | freemangordon | luf: I just cloned master on gitorious and added 0206...patch |
07:22.06 | rantom | A bit curious. I updated to the latest stable release and there was a mention in tmo that modest, tinymail and maemo-security-certs were updated |
07:22.44 | freemangordon | luf: I didn;t use your source tarball (besides getting debian/changelog from it) |
07:23.09 | freemangordon | ok, going to push, you'll see, if something is not ok, we can always revert |
07:23.19 | rantom | However there's no closer report on what part they were updated. For example maemo-security-certs, if I'm not mistaken, was supposed to remove the TURKTRUST-certificate, but it is still listed under Settings |
07:23.41 | kerio | rantom: nope |
07:23.56 | kerio | rantom: CSSU has followed what mozilla and m$ have done |
07:24.10 | kerio | explicitly blacklist the two mistakenly-released intermediate CAs |
07:25.03 | luf | freemangordon: Ok. |
07:25.11 | rantom | So to summarize: there's three certificates for that company which two of them were faulty? |
07:30.55 | freemangordon | luf: pushed |
07:33.20 | freemangordon | rantom: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/maemo-security-certman/commit/0be038825a98dae2d80fd411a02cb4c86ed1b36a |
07:33.43 | rantom | freemangordon: Thanks, I just found that too :) |
07:34.02 | rantom | Makes sense. I just thought that it would be removed from the Settings but I was wrong, thanks |
07:34.17 | rantom | (As happened with DigiNotar, IIRC) |
07:36.36 | rantom | Oh and one more thing, that I'm not quite sure is it new or not (I've been jumping between Stable and Testing a bit so I might just be confused) |
07:36.46 | rantom | Was camera-ui removed from Stable? |
07:37.14 | kerio | rantom: nicocam was never added to stable |
07:37.37 | rantom | Oh, ok |
07:39.12 | luf | freemangordon: cssu-devel/ |
07:39.23 | luf | *? |
07:39.46 | rantom | Yep. Just double-checked and the nicocam was not shown in my other Stable N900 |
07:39.56 | rantom | Thanks for all the replies, cleared a lot for me |
07:40.23 | luf | freemangordon: you ahve to be crazy to read 6,5MB diff with +-150k rows |
07:45.02 | luf | freemangordon: http://merlin1991.at/~luf/libxml2/source/libxml2_2.6_to_2.8.diff |
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08:04.21 | freemangordon | luf: do you have idea what amount of commits i've passed through while backporting DSP driver? ;) |
08:05.06 | freemangordon | luf: anyway cssu-devel sounds ok to me. just test it before uploading. |
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09:35.10 | luf | freemangordon: no idea. |
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09:36.33 | luf | freemangordon: BTW I see: dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field `Breaks' |
09:37.10 | luf | Package: libpulse0; Breaks: pavucontrol (<< 0.9.8) |
09:38.18 | freemangordon | luf: yeah, saw it |
09:38.30 | freemangordon | but this is legacy from stock, so... |
09:40.29 | luf | freemangordon: why there is a name? |
09:40.50 | luf | I think it's useless in our version ... |
09:42.20 | luf | I want to drop the name ... |
09:50.43 | freemangordon | luf: what name? |
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09:51.11 | luf | struct pa_flist { char *name; |
09:51.26 | luf | It's just for storing unknown ... malloc + free in our version. |
09:51.43 | luf | pa_flist *pa_flist_new(unsigned size) { return pa_flist_new_with_name(size, "unknown"); } |
09:52.18 | luf | Do you agree with removing? I'll do it. |
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10:06.11 | luf | freemangordon: ^^^ ? |
10:20.11 | freemangordon | luf: so pa_flist_new_with_name is only used inside flist.c? |
10:20.22 | freemangordon | if that is the case, I'm pretty much ok |
10:23.39 | freemangordon | luf: yeah, it seems it is used only for log/debug http://www.mail-archive.com/pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de/msg08002.html |
10:24.07 | freemangordon | luf: remove it, we don't need to debug :D |
10:29.16 | ivgalvez | freemangordon are you removing any of those cpu-offender proprietary filters from pulseaudio? |
10:29.26 | freemangordon | ivgalvez: no |
10:29.32 | freemangordon | we can't |
10:30.02 | freemangordon | the speakers protection is burried somewhere there afaik |
10:30.11 | ivgalvez | from my memories I think there was some low-pass filter implemented in kernel space that could substitute the one in PA |
10:30.23 | freemangordon | ivgalvez: yep, there is |
10:30.39 | freemangordon | but afaik it is not widly tested. |
10:30.56 | merlin1991 | and we don't ship a kernel with it |
10:31.24 | freemangordon | ivgalvez: the other piece there is no way for us to remove is echo cancelation ;) |
10:31.34 | ivgalvez | that's worse |
10:32.26 | ivgalvez | merlin1991 I've always supported a kernel in Fremantle's CSSU as it's in Diablo's CSSU |
10:32.35 | ivgalvez | but anyway |
10:32.44 | merlin1991 | ivgalvez: but it's kernel first then pa fix ;) |
10:32.47 | merlin1991 | not the other way around |
10:32.51 | ivgalvez | yep |
10:32.51 | freemangordon | :D |
10:33.20 | ivgalvez | this afternoon in Council meeting, most of the discussion will be around infra |
10:33.27 | ivgalvez | if you are interested in participate |
10:34.26 | MrPingu_TUD | ivgalvez: Which channel? |
10:34.43 | ivgalvez | #maemo-meeting |
10:34.43 | merlin1991 | finally found the setting for not spinning down harddrives on batter (xfce), it's been driving him crazy when the whole system comes to a grinding halt waiting for the harddisk to get back to spee |
10:34.58 | ivgalvez | every Friday at 19:00 UTC |
10:35.20 | merlin1991 | I'm ususally out, and read the backlog afterwards :D |
10:35.36 | MrPingu_TUD | I will have to, too ;p |
10:37.46 | MrPingu_TUD | I'm out, back to home again! |
10:38.54 | freemangordon | ivgalvez: 19 UTC is a bit late for me, but I'll try to participate at least for a while |
10:44.09 | ivgalvez | I hope I could connect without problems, I might be on the move with my sloppy connection, but there's a lot to discuss |
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10:54.22 | luf | freemangordon: we need debug but it's used only in flist.c with "unknown" value. Removed :) |
10:56.46 | Pali | ivgalvez, I have question for meeting: what happened with community OBS? |
10:57.06 | luf | Pali: what is OBS? :) |
10:57.26 | Pali | opensuse build system |
10:57.46 | Pali | meego and mer have it |
10:57.52 | Pali | we have autobuilder... |
10:58.22 | merlin1991 | come on, don't diss our beloved autobuilder |
10:58.24 | Pali | also harmattan use it for community repos... |
10:59.32 | ivgalvez | Pali: I'm not up to date about OBS status |
11:00.03 | ivgalvez | Woody was more on it |
11:00.04 | Pali | so this is question for meeting :-) somebody maybe know... |
11:00.12 | ivgalvez | yes, noted |
11:00.45 | ivgalvez | hopefully we would be able to start a proper Harmattan community repo once we manage the repositories |
11:01.22 | ivgalvez | or we might need to call it Maemo 6 repo, as the Harmattan trademark seems more unlikely to be trasnferred to the foundation |
11:07.22 | luf | It seems patched PA is working ... |
11:07.40 | luf | New version uploaded to the http://merlin1991.at/~luf/pulseaudio/ |
11:08.27 | luf | Latest sources are on gitorious. |
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11:53.58 | luf | I uploaded patched PA into cssu-devel with notification on TMO. |
12:06.33 | freemangordon | luf: great, will test as soon as I have time |
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12:28.51 | luf | Does anybody remember the wiki page how to enable bluetooth (I think it's the page with dbus commands). I'm going to find it. |
12:30.04 | arcean | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Bluetooth |
12:31.55 | luf | arcean: thanks. |
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14:47.40 | freemangordon | Pali: honestly, you should add 1 here https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-status-area-applet-battery/blobs/master/status-area-applet-battery.c#line384 |
14:47.51 | freemangordon | (to the reported value) |
14:48.27 | Pali | look here: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-status-area-applet-battery/blobs/master/status-area-applet-battery.c#line425 |
14:48.46 | Pali | your change will be irrelevant |
14:49.11 | freemangordon | ooh, you use percentage |
14:49.18 | freemangordon | but thats bogus |
14:49.39 | freemangordon | we all know those values are incorrect |
14:50.04 | freemangordon | Pali: when on BME, at least keep the current behaviour for bars |
14:50.32 | Pali | ok, I will change it |
14:50.48 | Pali | now preparing n900 patches for 3.8 :-) |
14:51.18 | freemangordon | Pali: according to applet I have 2 bars remaining. Usually by that time of day I have at least 4 ;) |
14:51.24 | freemangordon | (with similar usage) |
14:52.48 | freemangordon | Pali: great |
14:52.51 | freemangordon | which devices? |
15:45.00 | luf | freemangordon: I have a patch for osso-gnomevfs-extra you requested ;) |
15:54.43 | freemangordon | luf: great, now I am happy :D |
16:02.28 | luf | freemangordon: so few and you're happy. Good :D |
16:04.56 | freemangordon | luf: whell, i am not an avid men :P |
16:28.31 | luf | freemangordon: do you agree with putting libhildonfm and osso-gnomevfs-extra into cssu-devel? |
16:30.44 | luf | freemangordon: I pushed the the osso-gnomevfs-extra patch to gitorious. |
16:47.34 | freemangordon | luf: yes, put them in -devel |
16:47.51 | freemangordon | i'll add thumb suport to -extra package |
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17:18.47 | luf | freemangordon: Do I forget add the thumb support? |
17:18.55 | luf | freemangordon: Hmm I forget. I'm preparing fix. |
17:19.38 | freemangordon | luf: as you wish, though is not a problem to me to add it in the branch |
17:23.43 | luf | freemangordon: added |
17:23.58 | freemangordon | luf: thanks |
17:24.16 | luf | You're welcome. I'm sorry I forget to check :( |
17:26.15 | luf | I'm building osso-gnomevfs-extra and I'll upload it to cssu-devel with libhildonfm. |
17:27.05 | freemangordon | is there a corect dependency added? |
17:27.11 | freemangordon | *correct |
17:27.39 | luf | freemangordon: do we want also Depends: libhildonfm (>= new version) in osso-gnomevfs-extra? |
17:27.55 | freemangordon | maybe a dependency to osso-connectivity-ui-l10n should be added, not sure though |
17:28.08 | luf | freemangordon: There was (and is) no dependecy now |
17:28.21 | freemangordon | ok, leave it that way |
17:28.42 | freemangordon | we'll fix it when it is time to enter -T |
17:29.01 | luf | I want to fix it now the correct way (no changes later) :) |
17:29.21 | freemangordon | I am ok, ofc :) |
17:29.42 | luf | 1) dependency to libhildonfm - I think it should |
17:29.50 | freemangordon | yep |
17:30.39 | luf | 2) osso-connectivity-ui-l10n - this is a question but normal user never want to see xyz_abs_bluetooth instead of Bluetooth. So you're right FMPOV and I'll add it too. |
17:31.00 | luf | freemangordon: I'll add both. Ok, thanks. |
17:31.09 | freemangordon | osso-connectivity-ui-l10n-mr0 |
17:31.25 | freemangordon | the correct package name |
17:32.12 | kerio | merlin1991: wtf, spinning drives? :s |
17:32.33 | freemangordon | laptop_mode=1? |
17:32.43 | kerio | freemangordon: drives that *spin* |
17:32.46 | kerio | aka not SSDs |
17:32.51 | freemangordon | ofc |
17:33.10 | freemangordon | we're old-fashioned here after all |
17:33.22 | freemangordon | still using fremantle, what SSDs? :D |
17:33.35 | kerio | the n900 only has SSDs! |
17:33.45 | luf | freemangordon: just to check: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, libhildonfm2 (>= 2.28.22+0cssu3), osso-connectivity-ui-l10n-mr0 (>= 6.11+0m5) |
17:34.11 | freemangordon | look sgood to me |
17:34.43 | freemangordon | (you should know better than me libhildonfm2 version) |
17:34.50 | freemangordon | but l10n is fine |
17:35.01 | luf | :) |
17:35.50 | luf | freemangordon: what about bluez dependency? Did you test it also on stock bluez? |
17:36.12 | freemangordon | i've tested it only on stock bluez :D |
17:36.33 | freemangordon | maybe obexgw should be added too |
17:36.49 | freemangordon | (or whatever the package name was) |
17:37.11 | luf | freemangordon: Great. I tested it only on 4.99. I'm a little bit said that you don't try 4.99 :D |
17:37.20 | freemangordon | ii libgwobex0 0.64+0m5 wrapper library for openobex |
17:37.37 | luf | dbus? |
17:37.47 | freemangordon | luf: it was installed on my -devel device, but I reflashed a couple of days ago. bootloop :D |
17:38.08 | freemangordon | luf: and iirc you've said it still has problems. ? |
17:39.15 | luf | I know ... libxml2 + zlib :D I have no problem with it. But you're right some person has troubles with win ... |
17:39.38 | freemangordon | hmm, wasn't that obexd? |
17:39.45 | freemangordon | or it is bluez too? |
17:40.46 | luf | Someone on thumb reported obexd but I see no reply from him. And don_falcone and merlin1991 (reproduce) bluez + win |
17:41.11 | luf | However both is working ok for me :( |
17:41.17 | freemangordon | hmm, i guess both of them has obexd from cssu-t ;) |
17:41.20 | luf | (I don't use -thumb) |
17:41.42 | luf | I have also obexd from cssu-t ;) |
17:41.55 | freemangordon | does not matter, you are on -T, which is the same version as in thumb :) |
17:44.44 | luf | freemangordon: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, bluez (>= 4.60), libdbus-glib-1-2, libgwobex0, libhildonfm2 (>= 2.28.22+0cssu3), osso-connectivity-ui-l10n-mr0 (>= 6.11+0m5) |
17:44.48 | luf | Any other idea? |
17:45.12 | freemangordon | no |
17:45.51 | luf | Maybe I can drop version info for osso-connectivity-ui-l10n-mr0 |
17:46.12 | freemangordon | maybe |
17:49.06 | luf | I see another one: libosso-gnomevfs2-0 |
17:49.29 | freemangordon | libhildon should depend on it |
17:49.32 | freemangordon | so no need |
17:50.01 | luf | libhildon shouldn't depend on osso-gnomevfs-extra |
17:50.29 | freemangordon | I mean that libhildonfm depends on libosso-gnomevfs2-0 |
17:50.30 | luf | libhildon doesn't need osso-gnomevfs-extra to run properly |
17:50.57 | freemangordon | so no need to add it to a package which depends on libhildinfm |
17:51.11 | luf | Aaah good. libdbus-glib-1-2 is not needed as libosso-gnomevfs2-0 depends on it. |
17:52.00 | luf | Ok. No more time with this :D Final result: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, bluez (>= 4.60), libgwobex0, libhildonfm2 (>= 2.28.22+0cssu3), osso-connectivity-ui-l10n-mr0 |
17:53.06 | freemangordon | looks fine to me |
17:57.44 | Pali | ~rescueOS |
17:57.44 | infobot | rescue-os is, like, http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ |
17:58.13 | Pali | NIN101, how to generate initfs? |
17:58.42 | Pali | I have compiled 3.8 kernel with modules and now I want to unpack your initfs and add here my modules... |
17:58.47 | Pali | how to do that? |
18:00.30 | Pali | genromfs? |
18:00.33 | freemangordon | Pali: you have to unpack and loopback mount |
18:00.45 | freemangordon | (usually) |
18:00.48 | Pali | it seems image is romfs |
18:00.56 | Pali | I mounted it only in RO mode |
18:01.04 | freemangordon | just mount it then |
18:01.26 | Pali | I will try genromfs utility for generating new romfs image |
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18:12.20 | NIN101 | Pali: it is cramfs |
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18:16.27 | kerio | Pali: your hald-addon-bme filled up my tmpfs :c |
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21:08.37 | aapo | What version of gdb you are using on N900? I'm getting "Unhandled dwarf expression opcode 0xf3" during bactrace and if I understood it means that my gdb can't handle application which is compiled with gcc-4.7+thumb -compiler. |
21:09.33 | aapo | I'm talking about gdb=6.8.50.20090417-0maemo2+0m5 |
21:13.45 | luf | Pali: ping |
21:13.52 | Pali | luf, pong |
21:14.23 | luf | Pali: I installed you battery applet (ok it show icon in sb). |
21:15.07 | luf | I removed advanced-power and advanced-power-monitor and the icon from SB disappeared (however I see info in sb menu. |
21:15.35 | luf | (both - yours and ap - battery icons disappeared) |
21:18.12 | luf | Pali: ok I see the icon again after shutdown/power on |
21:18.33 | Pali | yes, there is bug in hildon (or maybe in aplet?) |
21:18.46 | Pali | it is not possible to unload module correctly |
21:19.08 | Pali | so you need to restart hildon after updating plugins |
21:19.29 | luf | Aaah ok. I didn't know it. Thanks for explanation. |
21:25.23 | luf | freemangordon: when do you plan to give us recompiled browser againist system zlib+libpng? |
21:28.02 | kerio | Pali: how do i disable the hald-addon-bme logs? |
21:28.19 | Pali | kerio, recompile |
21:30.58 | kerio | Pali: how do i disable the hald-addon-bme logs without recompiling? |
21:31.07 | Pali | not possible |
21:31.17 | Pali | I will recompile deb package |
21:31.30 | Pali | seems that logs are not needed... |
21:32.35 | kerio | my toolchain is pestering people on IRC |
21:32.36 | kerio | :D |
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22:11.28 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i find myself without a bouncer :( |
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