IRC log for #maemo-ssu on 20121225

00:38.12merlin1991libc testing is fun :/
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00:46.34merlin1991and booting a different kernel, yay
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02:03.59merlin1991kerio: there should be new -testing fun in testing-testing
02:04.09merlin1991currently tests himself
02:05.42LaoLang_coolis calling for a upgrade for stable!~~
02:07.19merlin1991there has been one yesterday
02:08.36merlin1991hm I foobared my device
02:14.15merlin1991nah freemangordon has trapped me with the ppoll kernel :D
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02:57.16LaoLang_cooloh yeah!
02:57.24LaoLang_coolwill update :)
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08:38.15amiconnwonders about the current cssu-thumb status
08:38.33amiconnWill it install properly on top of cssu testing now?
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08:50.01kerioamiconn: nope, not yet
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12:48.13*** topic/#maemo-ssu is Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo6; (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo5 | Meeting: 27th 1900UTC
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13:40.17freemangordonmerlin1991: ping
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14:17.16chem|stfreemangordon: pinging all time long wont help
14:17.32chem|stfreemangordon: ping and tell what you need instead of random pings!
14:18.00chem|stfreemangordon: microb still denies same error
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16:29.03freemangordonchem|st: NFC what's the problem with microb, if you wish I can build it for you
16:30.12freemangordonchem|st: I am pinging several times for the simple reason that previous one could get unnoticed in the backscroll
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16:49.21merlin1991freemangordon: pong
16:49.53merlin1991freemangordon: I get all pings, because the channel is highlighted if there was a highlight in it :)
16:50.02merlin1991and I ususally read all backscroll :)
16:50.13merlin1991arcean: did you try the new testing-testing already?
16:50.30arceanno :)
16:50.48arceanI'll poke HAM a little
16:51.17merlin1991I tried it here, but I'd like to have at least one tester :D
16:51.48arceansure, its booting now
16:52.33merlin1991so fast? o_O
16:52.51arceanhehe, my n900 was booting :P
16:54.41merlin1991whaaat?
16:54.55merlin1991ido you use another phone nowadays?
16:54.58merlin1991-i
16:56.00arceanit depends, sometimes I use N9/50 sometimes N900 :)
16:57.19merlin1991btw freemangordon it would be really great if you throw your question behind the ping next time so that I can at least answer in an async fashion
16:57.58Sicelohmm, a new Stable is available. kewl
17:00.21freemangordonmerlin1991: what version of h-d is in -testing. on which commit?
17:00.31freemangordonthe same goes for PA
17:00.48freemangordonmerlin1991: also, you did not push mp-freamntle-...
17:01.26merlin1991146-2 and it's not in testing yet, I pushed it to the hidden testing repo to see if anything goes immediatly wrong
17:01.41merlin1991will push to maemo.org after at least arcean has tried installing it
17:02.00freemangordonmerlin1991: I was thinking if it is a good idea to have a "next" branch on gitorious, with master branch equal to what is in the wild
17:02.29merlin1991or we could just tag the commits that got released
17:02.55freemangordonmerlin1991: so you will push all of the changes arcean did during the last week?
17:03.18freemangordonafaik it needs Qt to be fixed too
17:03.19arceanfreemangordon: no
17:03.29merlin1991freemangordon: I only pushed the fun from the merge request
17:03.33arceanmerlin1991: installed and rebooting now
17:03.36merlin1991the new stuff isn't in yet
17:04.25freemangordonmerlin1991: aah, so Qt fixes are only in arcean's clone? good
17:04.31freemangordon(in h-d)
17:04.36merlin1991yes
17:04.43freemangordonwhat about PA?
17:04.55freemangordonhmm, scratch that
17:05.08merlin1991the new stuff by pali had something else to be tested, hence not in
17:05.09freemangordonPA in -thumb is higher version than one in -testing
17:05.15merlin1991dafuq?
17:05.21merlin1991what's in there?
17:05.33freemangordonmerlin1991: no, it is ok
17:05.59freemangordonI pushed PA in -thumb before it went in -testing
17:07.21merlin1991hoh
17:07.24merlin1991*oh*
17:08.13freemangordonit was before last released -testing, no changes since then (excluding Pali's) so everything is fine
17:11.20merlin1991bah gitorious is b0rked, I can't unwatch anything
17:15.32freemangordonhmm, why libmatchbox2 is build with -O0?
17:15.59freemangordonor I am missing something
17:16.37merlin1991ask arcean, but afaik that is still from nokia
17:18.17keriofreemangordon: wtf, thumby ke-recv?
17:18.28kerioisn't it a very small binary and a bunch of shell scripts?
17:18.51freemangordonit is, so?
17:20.49freemangordonarcean: mb-wm-client-window.c:68:26: error: variable 'rw_class' set but not used [-Werror=unused-but-set-variable]
17:22.24arceanstrange
17:22.36freemangordonhttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libmatchbox2/blobs/master/matchbox/core/mb-wm-client-window.c
17:22.40arceanwith 02?
17:23.17freemangordonarcean: my bad, -O2 is missing in rules, it comes from somewhere else
17:23.22freemangordonso it is fine
17:23.33freemangordonbut gcc4.7.2 complains abut ^^^
17:24.01freemangordoni'll disable the warning, just pointed that in case there is a problem in the code
17:28.13merlin1991arcean: so how did the update run?
17:28.25arceanso far, everything is ok
17:29.04freemangordonarcean: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libmatchbox2/blobs/master/matchbox/comp-mgr/mb-wm-comp-mgr-clutter.c#line127
17:29.25merlin1991btw what was that bit about less glitchy tasknav -> portrait app transition in the h-d merge request (I never noticed glitches myself :D)
17:29.25freemangordongcc wants me to put parentheses, any idea?
17:30.35arceanmerlin1991: downgrade h-d, rotate the task nav to portrait and launch for eg Calculator :)
17:31.29merlin1991arcean: easier, open the S device and try :D
17:31.33kerioooh, epic version jump on h-d?
17:31.37arceanlucky you :D
17:31.54arceanfreemangordon: to be honest I have no idea :P
17:32.27arceanmaybe int position = (!(cclient->priv->flags & MBWMCompMgrClutterClientDontPosition) | force);
17:33.08freemangordonwell, I changed it too  (!(cclient->priv->flags & MBWMCompMgrClutterClientDontPosition)) | force;
17:33.12freemangordon*to
17:33.17freemangordonwill see :D
17:33.42arceanthat's clutter thing, so yes, you'll see :D
17:35.34arceanfreemangordon: remember to install the new libmatchbox's packages and then to rebuild h-d
17:35.54freemangordonarcean: thanks, that's what I am doing. apt-get upgrade :D
17:36.13arceanhehe
17:37.50merlin1991arcean: so everything fine? I'll push to the maemo repos then
17:38.13arceanmerlin1991: ok :)
17:41.20freemangordonarcean: is libmatchbox statically linked in h-d?
17:41.39arceanyes
17:42.21freemangordonWTF is  matchbox-window-manager then? matchbox 1?
17:42.40keriowhy is libmatchbox statically linked?
17:42.51merlin1991freemangordon: yep
17:43.00freemangordonmerlin1991: thanks
17:43.03merlin1991matchbox-window-manager is from matchbox 1
17:43.23freemangordonok, rebooting, lets see if i guess it right :D
17:43.37arcean:D
17:43.40merlin1991then there is matchbox-window-manager-2 which is part of the libmatchbox2 sources but not used on maemo
17:43.42merlin1991nfc what it contains
17:44.45freemangordonwell, it boots :D:D:D
17:45.01merlin1991freemangordon: I pushed the new mp to gitorious
17:45.29freemangordonmerlin1991: great. unfortunately i won;t be able to push the new -thumb today, will try for tomorrow
17:45.38merlin1991and I'm currently pushing everything to maemo.org
17:45.44merlin1991but that takes time :D
17:45.50freemangordonyeah :(
17:45.58merlin1991thinking about it I probably should have pushed from my server
17:46.04merlin1991a tad more upload there :D
17:46.13merlin1991(and the files are already there)
17:47.49freemangordonhmm, actually.... -thumb users will receive the correct packages with the new -testing :D
17:48.16freemangordonmerlin1991: correct?
17:48.29merlin1991if they update before you push your mp
17:48.47freemangordonyes
17:49.21merlin1991yay I managed to upload 4 tar.gz archives by now
17:49.27freemangordoni'll post on tmo
17:49.31merlin1991this connection here is seriously slow
17:54.01keriofreemangordon: so far so good
17:55.00keriobooted, up to hildon-desktop
17:55.07freemangordonoh, no I have to do PA too :(
17:58.09freemangordon-testing version is higher than -thumb, why is that?
17:58.46freemangordonmerlin1991: ^^^?
17:58.54merlin1991I'm looking into it atm
17:59.01freemangordonhmm, is it in -devel
17:59.12freemangordonmy bad, sorry for the noise
17:59.56keriofreemangordon: pin cssu-testing at 600 to check what really needs to be upgraded
18:00.13freemangordonbut still, on gitorious it is 0.9.15-1maemo44+0m5+0cssu2, apt-cache shows 0.9.15-1maemo44+0m5+0cssu3 available
18:00.27freemangordonsomeone did not commit the changes :D
18:00.33freemangordon*push
18:00.43merlin1991testing is 0.9.15-1maemo44+0m5+0cssu1
18:01.10merlin1991either pali or luf is at fault :D
18:01.15freemangordonyep :D
18:01.31freemangordonI bet on Pali
18:02.17freemangordonkerio: i'll simply disable -devel. this is my "production" device after all :D
18:02.23merlin1991hm is the repo cron juob super slow today?
18:02.40freemangordonmerlin1991: pray it works at all ;)
18:03.51merlin1991damn it I want to reboot andd play some games :D
18:06.06keriomerlin1991: redeclipse.net
18:06.15keriokickass opensource multiplatform FPS
18:07.06keriofreemangordon: does the domain thing pali made work, to give priority to cssu-thumb?
18:07.37freemangordonkerio: I don;t want -thumb to take priority over -testing
18:07.50keriowell, right now it does
18:07.52kerioin theory
18:08.08freemangordonIDK
18:08.09keriocheck /usr/share/hildon-application-manager/domains/community-ssu-domains.xexp
18:08.36keriofreemangordon: well, did you get the prompt to upgrade to the latest testing in your thumby device?
18:08.53freemangordonnow?
18:08.57freemangordonlemme check
18:08.58kerioin the past days
18:09.01freemangordonyes
18:09.11freemangordonin the past month :D
18:09.14keriowhat the FUCK is ham doing
18:09.18kerioi don't get it
18:09.30freemangordonkerio: it is designed to be that way
18:09.33kerioyou shouldn't be able to move to a lesser repo
18:09.42keriono, packages have a trust level or some weird bullshit like that
18:09.58kerioand you can't go down a trust level, in theory
18:10.06freemangordonNFC
18:13.22merlin1991cronjob runs (slow)
18:14.23merlin1991btw arcean don't get confused when you get another update for your n900, I've put the mp in testing-testing intentionally at version 6.9 so I can fix things there if somehting is wrong without breaking the new T7 version number
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18:14.49*** topic/#maemo-ssu by merlin1991 -> Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo7; (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo5 | Meeting: 27th 1900UTC
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18:25.54freemangordonmerlin1991: BTW did you test chldspin with "correct" kernel?
18:26.09merlin1991yes, coudln't get it to blow in my face
18:27.07merlin1991but you kernel-cssu had me question my sanity
18:27.15merlin1991(when omap1 stopped to boot)
18:27.27freemangordonwhat?
18:28.47merlin1991something in you package removed the normal kernel modules
18:29.05keriomerlin1991: it shouldn't happen, they're in separate packages
18:29.12keriothe omap1 modules are in kernel-modules
18:29.32merlin1991I didn't check what it was exactly, but after reinstalling kernel-modules (which in turn removed kernel-cssu and kernel-cssu-modules) omap1 booted again
18:29.48freemangordonmerlin1991: aah, but yes, of cource, CSSU Replaces: kernel
18:30.03kerioConflicts:, too?
18:31.20freemangordonyes
18:31.38freemangordonso omap gets uninstalled
18:31.44keriowat
18:31.50kerioi thought HAM couldn't deal with that
18:35.34freemangordonkerio: HAM?
18:35.53freemangordonI am sure merlin had used apt to install KCSSU
18:36.04kerioyeah but kernel-cssu is supposed to be installable by HAM
18:36.07merlin1991I used dpkg :D
18:36.19kerioand i thought that it just shat itself if it encountered a conflict
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18:39.04merlin1991kerio: also the package in question is nowhere close to any ham
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18:55.24DocScrutinizer05seems you guys having real xmess fun, eh?
19:07.36merlin1991yep
19:10.53freemangordonmerlin1991: seems glibc is missing from -testing ;)
19:11.05merlin1991no way
19:11.29merlin1991oh shit
19:11.34freemangordoni've tried to upgrade to T7, HAM said it is :)
19:15.49merlin1991I'll fix it in 15 min
19:16.20freemangordonok
19:30.41merlin1991hm I do have the libc6 package in the folder though
19:30.47merlin1991(which I uploaded from)
19:33.06merlin1991reuploading
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20:52.30DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: we could think if we might be able to test rollouts on a secondary URL, before delivering to the masses ;-)
20:53.54DocScrutinizer05dman, I rarely seen maemo at large as busy as during last 48h
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20:56.20merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: I DID test it on a secondary url
20:56.22merlin1991it worked fine there
20:56.34DocScrutinizer05hehe
20:57.03merlin1991seems the repo has something to block libc from getting imported
20:57.05merlin1991FFS
20:57.10merlin1991the reupload didn't help either
20:57.12DocScrutinizer05OUCH
20:57.20kerioD:
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20:59.39DocScrutinizer05hears panic mode
21:00.23merlin1991nah I'll post a link on tmo and will try to get hold of X-Fade and friends
21:00.32DocScrutinizer05OMG
21:00.39merlin1991guesses the *fix* will be applied to the repos somewhere in feb :/
21:00.46DocScrutinizer05indeed
21:00.55merlin1991but nothing I can do :(
21:01.11keriomerlin1991: libc6-thumb, that diverts away every file from libc6
21:01.17merlin1991rofl
21:01.23DocScrutinizer05roll a T7.1 that doesn't need libc6?
21:01.25kerioer, libc6-cssu
21:01.28merlin1991kerio: you'd need a kernel :D
21:01.36merlin1991ah yeah that could work
21:01.38keriomerlin1991: not thumby
21:01.42kerioNO IT COULDN'T
21:01.45merlin1991well probably 7.1
21:01.49kerioBECAUSE IT'S A MONUMENTALLY IDIOTIC IDEA
21:01.55kerio>:C
21:02.10merlin1991kerio: nah it isn't as bad as other maemo *workarounds*
21:02.23DocScrutinizer05like MP
21:02.31merlin1991(see busybox power, mp, ...)
21:02.55keriothis is libc
21:03.01keriowe do not fuck around with libc
21:03.20DocScrutinizer05hear hear
21:03.25tadzikmerlin1991: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1307668&postcount=1038
21:03.31tadziks/kernel/kernel-power/ or something?
21:03.45merlin1991tadzik: next kernel power will have the stuff inside for it to work
21:03.47kerioneeds a kernel
21:03.59tadzikmerlin1991: "needs kernel" is a little obvious :)
21:04.07merlin1991untill then it still works in the current b0rked way
21:04.38merlin1991might have worded that needs kernel differently :D
21:05.08tadzik:)
21:06.07merlin1991builds new mp
21:06.45DocScrutinizer05please word this in an unambiguous way, like "the problem in ppoll()... will be fixed completely *only* with matching support in kernel. Unless you use KP52 or newer this patch will not fix the ppoll() problem"
21:06.50merlin1991also curses the $idiot who decided to put some restrictions on a SSU repo
21:07.25keriomerlin1991: are you sure you didn't just botch it?
21:07.35merlin1991kerio: I checked the hashsums by hand
21:07.40merlin1991then uploaded a 2nd time
21:07.45merlin1991and it still didn't get imported
21:07.50merlin1991ALSO it imported fine on my repo
21:08.01DocScrutinizer05what's the log?
21:08.07merlin1991there is no log
21:08.13DocScrutinizer05:-o
21:08.25merlin1991I have a blackbox folder I scp files to
21:08.28merlin1991and then cross fingers
21:08.55DocScrutinizer05there used to be a webpage where you could watch the build log or sth
21:09.16merlin1991no builder for cssu ;)
21:09.22DocScrutinizer05aah
21:09.40DocScrutinizer05dang
21:10.13DocScrutinizer05when da fuck will you get some admin permissions on that shite?
21:10.32kerio"site", doc
21:10.41kerioyour german pronounciation is really awkward at times
21:10.50DocScrutinizer05oops, -e, err -h
21:11.33merlin1991kerio: you didn't complain about mine yet :D
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21:19.18merlin1991somebody gotta patch ark so that ctrl+q quits again
21:20.53kerioKDE, ladies and gentlemen
21:22.31merlin1991kerio: I'm on kde here
21:22.40kerioexactly
21:22.41merlin1991and I expect stuff to quit on ctrl+q by default
21:23.28merlin1991because the thing is, the main window even has that shortcut
21:23.39merlin1991only the content view windows don't do that
21:24.29merlin1991hm something for pali: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1307695#post1307695
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21:29.39*** topic/#maemo-ssu by merlin1991 -> Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo7.1; (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo5 | Meeting: 27th 1900UTC
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21:30.21DocScrutinizer05\o/
21:30.48merlin1991shakes his fists @ the repo control sw
21:30.50*** mode/#maemo-ssu [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ
21:31.21merlin1991just realized he promised something some time ago
21:31.24merlin1991uh oh
21:32.12*** topic/#maemo-ssu by DocScrutinizer05 -> Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version: Testing(2012-12-25): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo7.1; Stable(2012-12-24): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo5 | Meeting: 27th 1900UTC
21:32.55merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: way too much information now ;)
21:33.02DocScrutinizer05meh
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23:42.29FIQ|n900hmm
23:42.54FIQ|n900I've orientation lock enabled to landscape, but some applications still rotate..?
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23:49.27arceanFIQ|n900, which ones?
23:49.54FIQ|n900arcean: phone stuff
23:50.08arceanok, that's by design
23:50.15FIQ|n900hmm ok
23:50.19arceanyou can change that in phone's settings
23:50.46FIQ|n900i see
23:50.50FIQ|n900done
23:50.51FIQ|n900ty
23:51.28arceannp :)
23:52.14FIQ|n900rotation isn't a seamless process
23:52.28FIQ|n900that's the biggest reason i want it completely landscape
23:56.26FIQ|n900and rotating while answering a call is a bit annoying

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