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11:14.40freemangordon~seen arcean
11:14.42infobotarcean <~arcean@aaes41.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 2d 10h 2m 35s ago, saying: 'yeah, it good time for bed :)'.
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11:48.18LaoLang_coolwhy isn't there a changelog for Tmaemo66?
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11:54.10keriomerlin1991: new testing release pls
11:54.46DocScrutinizer51LaoLang_cool: because you're looking at a read-only location
11:55.09DocScrutinizer51check out tmo
11:55.22LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer51: where can I read the latest changelog?
11:55.30DocScrutinizer51tmo
11:55.52DocScrutinizer51and probably on merlin's server too
11:55.55LaoLang_coolI find that it hasn't updated for a long time after Tmaemo6 was released
11:56.45DocScrutinizer51sorry, you lost me on that one
11:57.17DocScrutinizer51t6 is less than a month old iirc
11:57.39LaoLang_coolYes :)
11:57.49LaoLang_coolIs the post this one? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67905
11:58.00DocScrutinizer51and iirc merlin1991 published the changelog of t6 before rollout
12:01.39kerioDocScrutinizer51: well, a month is a long time
12:01.59kerioespecially considering the minor problems in hildon-desktop that are fixed in the current -devel
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12:30.52freemangordonwell, merlin1991 said he'll push a new update this weekend
12:38.08keriobut... it's sunday!
12:39.08freemangordonI know
12:39.13LaoLang_coollol
12:39.40freemangordonbut... it's still weekend :)
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12:44.43DocScrutinizer51you could argue this is a loooong weekend til next newyear
12:45.37DocScrutinizer51I'm way more concerned about Stable
12:46.29DocScrutinizer51feels like we haven't seen new S release since half a year
12:47.14DocScrutinizer51a tad too much of a quarantine period
12:47.28LaoLang_coolYes!
12:47.33LaoLang_coolI'm using stable
12:47.59DocScrutinizer51WOOOHOOO some real existring S user
12:49.20DocScrutinizer51dang!!!! Smaemo4.1
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12:58.26LaoLang_cool!
12:58.32LaoLang_cool:)
12:59.00LaoLang_coolThough I always can't notice any difference bwtween versions of stable
13:00.14keriothat's the point
13:00.32keriocssu stable should be indistinguishable from stock
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13:28.41freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yeah. And I wonder how we'll get out of that situation now chem|st is appointed as TMO admin
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15:16.13DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: that's why we originally got 3 maintainers for 2 repos
15:16.16merlin1991kerio: guess what I'm doing atm
15:16.37DocScrutinizer05ohaimerlin
15:17.36DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: chem|st does not full admin job on tmo either. He's just doing what he did so far, just with a tad more power. Plus keeping an eye on syslogs
15:18.10keriomerlin1991: browsing reddit?
15:18.19DocScrutinizer05basically he's not sysop but supermod
15:18.35DocScrutinizer05system admin has to be somebody else
15:18.59DocScrutinizer05that's been my main argument why tmo MUST consolidate on the common maemo.org infra
15:19.28DocScrutinizer05we need one professional admin anyway
15:19.56merlin1991kerio: nope.jpg, building T7
15:19.58DocScrutinizer05that admin will not have much more trouble when there's a tmo VM on same iron
15:20.03kerio:D
15:20.19DocScrutinizer05jusz keep track off 16 instead of 15 syslogs
15:20.29merlin1991and starting to really really hate this friggin KDE here
15:20.31DocScrutinizer05just keep track of 16 instead of 15 syslogs
15:21.20DocScrutinizer05do system updates on one system more, so what. we already got another ~8 similar ones
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15:22.46merlin1991arcean: ping
15:23.08arceanmerlin1991: pong
15:23.35merlin1991I just read the merge request again, what did you  improve on the blacklist whitelist system again?
15:23.48DocScrutinizer05lemme toss around some ballpark numbers, based on handwaving: admin of one dedicated server=100%.
15:24.10DocScrutinizer05admin of 2 identical dedi servers: 130%
15:24.29DocScrutinizer05admin of 3 identical dedi servers: 140%
15:25.05DocScrutinizer05admin of 2 identical dedi servers plus one VM: 160%
15:25.19DocScrutinizer05admin of 2 identical dedi servers plus 8 VM: 200%
15:26.59DocScrutinizer05if those figures hold true by any amount, you see there's no use in cutting down in services too much. But it makes a friggin lot of sense to consolidate and keep stuff uniform
15:27.50DocScrutinizer05since admin of 2 dedi servers in two locations: 210%
15:27.54merlin1991gitorious seems to be in holiday mode
15:27.58merlin1991nothing works for me :/
15:28.21arceanmerlin1991: a couple of performance changes + possibility to whitelist dialog windows
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15:29.47arceanmerlin1991: updated merge request fixes https://bugs.maemo.org/12586
15:29.48povbotBug 12586: Status area dialogs force landscape mode when an application is active
15:29.52merlin1991arcean: did you fix something in libmatchbox?
15:30.12arceanhttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libmatchbox2/commit/5ff6d73a67f4de96f1c9038690528b9134383ea2
15:30.15merlin1991arcean: updated when?
15:30.39arcean14th december
15:30.42merlin1991okay, me goes to build libmatchbox first :)
15:30.48arceanok
15:31.03arceanyou have to build and install updated libmatchbox before building hildon-desktop
15:31.09arcean:P
15:32.10merlin1991yep building blew up into my face in the dependency stage :D
15:32.24arceanhehe
15:32.40DocScrutinizer05gnhnhnhn
15:32.45freemangordonarcean: https://gitorious.org/~arcean/community-ssu/arcean-hildon-desktop/commit/b6bcbec89d20af5777a9c166489445407d7fd2d7
15:32.50freemangordonwhy is that?
15:33.11arceanyeah
15:33.15freemangordonarcean: esp line 4600
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15:33.54arceanfreemangordon: let's assume you have an app with settings page, where you can change app's screen orientation
15:34.08freemangordonok
15:34.30arceanwhen you change screen orientation (in app settings) from auto or portrait to landscape and go to the task nav
15:34.46arceanthe thumb is not updated
15:34.54merlin1991arcean: you didn't bump the version number :/
15:35.46DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: from my above comments you see you should ask: where T F is MohammadAG?
15:36.04DocScrutinizer05since he's still main responsible maintainer of T
15:36.08arceanmerlin1991: :/ in matchbox package?
15:36.13merlin1991yep
15:36.38freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: no. for too long time, it does not worth my breath anymore :(
15:36.41arceanI've raised it to 0.2.92-1
15:36.43merlin19910.2.92-1+0m5 is the stock version, and your source goes 0.2.92-1
15:36.54DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: ack
15:36.56arceandamn
15:37.10DocScrutinizer05so we need to address that issue
15:37.19freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: :nod:
15:37.22DocScrutinizer05since we want to avoid burnuts
15:37.33DocScrutinizer05burn-outs
15:37.46freemangordonarcean: but why "|| STATE_IS_APP (hd_render_manager_get_state ()))"?
15:37.51arceanfreemangordon: I've encountered this issue with OMP and updated Qt
15:38.02freemangordonthat one will prevent thumb being redrawn
15:38.34freemangordonarcean: iirc
15:38.37arceanfreemangordon: the function is called when the window's flag has been changed
15:38.49freemangordonarcean: I know, I wrote that function :D
15:39.29freemangordonand its purpose is - if an application decides to rotate while we are in tasknav, we should reflect that change
15:39.33arceanso when the user changes the app's screen orientation, the window's portrait flag is also updated
15:40.05merlin1991arcean: I'm fixing the verison numbers
15:40.05arceanand without "STATE_IS_APP" the thumb won't be updated
15:40.07freemangordonarcean: what? why?
15:40.27freemangordonwhy portrait flag is updated?
15:40.54freemangordonI mean, it is up to the application to update it, not h-d's job AIUI
15:41.04arceanfreemangordon: when you go from auto to landscape, the SUPPORT flag is taken away
15:41.45freemangordonarcean: aah, I see
15:41.46arcean(I'm not talking about h-d screen orientation, but about app specific settings)
15:42.15freemangordonso, the original code was ok only when goping landscape->portrait?
15:42.21freemangordon*going
15:42.42freemangordonbut not when portrait->landscape?
15:42.49arceanlandscape - portrait, landscape - auto, yes
15:43.02freemangordonok, got it :)
15:43.18arceanI'm still testing all that stuff
15:43.33freemangordonarcean: one more thing: why did you exchange rotate/move?
15:44.03freemangordonoh, scratch that
15:44.07arceanhmm, where?
15:44.29merlin1991arcean: I'll raise libmatchbox version to 0.2.92-2+0cssu0
15:44.32freemangordonyou put a space and seems I am blind enough to read it incorrectly :D
15:44.48arceanmerlin1991: drop 0cssu0 :P
15:44.53arceanwe're the upstream :D
15:44.59freemangordonyeah :D
15:45.03merlin1991ah yeah hd
15:45.04merlin1991true
15:45.44arceanall in all, the new Qt fixes: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12629
15:45.45povbotBug 12629: blacklisting works not as it should
15:46.21freemangordonyou're not going to put that changes in current -testing, ain't?
15:46.38freemangordonmerlin1991: ^^^
15:47.01merlin1991freemangordon: nah qt changes should go -devel first
15:47.04arceanthere's still a couple of things, which should be updated
15:47.08merlin1991I'm only including what we talked about last week
15:47.38freemangordonok
15:47.47freemangordondon;t forget powerkeymenu
15:47.58merlin1991I have a list from that meeting ;)
15:48.02freemangordon:D
15:48.03merlin1991with additional notes!
15:48.46freemangordonBTW i hope i'll be ready with tklock by the end of the week
15:48.51freemangordon(next one)
15:49.34arceanfreemangordon: it works fine here :)
15:49.53freemangordonarcean: it works, but have a missing functionality compared to stock
15:50.43freemangordoni.e. while the screen is dimmed, one should not be able to interact with device by using kbd or screen
15:51.27freemangordonarcean: you know, there is 2-3 seconds timeout before screen is (auto) turned off
15:52.43arceanhmm
15:52.51freemangordonduring this timeout the screen is dimmed, and with stock tklock you can only restore the full brightness by clocking on the screen
15:53.02freemangordons/clocking/touching/
15:53.22arceanmakes sense :)
15:53.23freemangordonreplacement is missing that
15:53.51freemangordonwell, it is in "stock" branch, but not in the "master"
15:55.30freemangordontook me a couple of weeks to grok WTF is "event eater" :D:D:D
15:56.04arceanevent eater? :D wonderful name :D
15:56.11freemangordonyeah
15:56.33freemangordonarcean: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-systemui-tklock/blobs/master/include/systemui/tklock-dbus-names.h#line39
15:57.15arceanhehe
15:57.23arceanthere's even LPM mode :D
15:57.29freemangordonyeah
15:58.32freemangordonthough "no memleak" mode is what I like more than anything else :D
15:59.03keriofreemangordon: where's my doubletap-to-unlock
15:59.20freemangordonkerio: you lost it?
15:59.28keriowell, i don't have it
15:59.49merlin1991freemangordon: little hint, it never was there on maemo so far ;)
16:00.01freemangordonmerlin1991: I know, i am kidding kerio
16:00.12merlin1991damn so much for me trolling you
16:00.27freemangordon:D
16:01.04merlin1991also chaning ones email is quite some work, I didn't until now, that I also had it stored as a git setting and in my .bashrc of my scratchbox :D
16:01.17merlin1991*I didn't realize untill now,*
16:01.33freemangordonmerlin1991: you;ve changed your email?
16:01.58merlin1991yep, I'm now avaiable under christian.ratzenhofer@cdnm.at --> my server :)
16:02.17merlin1991though I still pull mail from the old address in
16:02.34merlin1991btw my last meeting mail came from the new address afaik
16:02.50freemangordonaah, yes
16:06.04merlin1991now building system-ui de
16:06.06merlin1991v
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16:06.44freemangordonnice :)
16:12.29merlin1991freemangordon: whatabout the cssu tag on osso-systemui-alarm?
16:12.43freemangordonyou mean it is missing?
16:12.47merlin1991the version number is only 0.3.3
16:12.53freemangordonwell, add it
16:14.46merlin1991I have to say I like the systemui packages, they are mean and lean, and don't take over 30 mins to build :D
16:15.03freemangordon:D
16:15.40merlin1991and no autotools!
16:15.50merlin1991hates how autotools foobar the source dir
16:15.53freemangordonthanks to Pali
16:16.40PaliI hate autohell too :D
16:17.34merlin1991I can live with cmake, (if the buildscript does a proper out of tree build) but autotools I just hate :D
16:27.19merlin1991Pali: I just realized that with the rtcom-messaging-ui-portrait packge we override user changed css files, maybe we should ad an md5 check?
16:27.43Palimerlin1991, we using dpkg-divert
16:27.55Paliso user file will be diverted
16:27.56merlin1991Pali: yeah but that diverts away already made changes
16:28.07keriomerlin1991: yes, they're diverted
16:28.08kerioaka backupped
16:28.30merlin1991hm I'll add a notice in the log then about where to find the backup
16:28.47Palidpkg-divert should be called (to fix problems with postrm script)
16:29.18Palimerlin1991, so check md5sum after dpkg-divert and then call "mv" or "cp" for restoring
16:35.15merlin1991so who in here is using ProfilesX ?
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16:56.11merlin1991freemangordon: I'll need the glibc
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16:59.32kerioPali: you still haven't removed "meeting" and "outside" from the harmattan profiled
16:59.51PaliI removed it
17:00.22Palihttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/profiled/commit/c6f0e5e550252e71ca670f0e9c445ce0e17b79c3
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17:01.44kerioPali: do you reckon it's good enough to add to cssu?
17:01.53merlin1991hm thought I didn't do the topic yet
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17:45.17keriofreemangordon: btw, the -thumb repo is still missing the new version of bb-power and openmediaplayer
17:47.24merlin1991kerio: is there openmediaplay in there already?
17:47.41keriomerlin1991: the OMP dude made a thumby build
17:48.05merlin1991with all the right stuff?
17:48.16keriohuh?
17:48.25merlin1991proper gcc, ...
17:48.26keriocompiled with fmg's toolchain, yes
18:24.15merlin1991hm quoting fmg "@gidzzz - I am all for having extras-thumb, but you should ask merlin1991 for that, -thumb is hosted on his server "
18:24.30merlin1991(from tmo)
18:24.39kerioi'm, too, all for having extras-thumb on your server
18:26.23keriomerlin1991: btw, have you publicized your extras-devel-light repo mirror?
18:26.39merlin1991well it is public as in it runs on the public end
18:27.18merlin1991feel free to inform others about it, but I don't feel like posting on tmo and then handling the fallout of people that don't understand the point of it and add it as yet another repo to their list
18:28.56merlin1991but it even includes a .install file so it should be *easy* to use :)
18:28.59keriodoes HAM use pdiffs, i wonder?
18:29.03merlin1991nfc
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18:54.50DocScrutinizer05>>...add it as yet another repo<< hehe
18:56.04DocScrutinizer05"hey! I added fast-repo, faster-repo, and fastest-repo. I even added acme-supadupafast-repo, and still it's slow like hell! what a shit!"
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