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| 08:00.08 | kerio | freemangordon: neat, ty |
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| 08:08.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | coughs a bit |
| 08:10.03 | kerio | freemangordon: it works, too |
| 08:10.07 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ohai |
| 08:31.23 | tadzik | new tklock works nice for me too. There's one more thing though, which also existed in stock tklock, but is annyoing nonetheless. Steps to reproduce: bring up the unlock screen, then swipe to unlock and quickly press the power button again |
| 08:31.36 | tadzik | the device will lock again instead of bringing up the power key menu |
| 08:31.49 | tadzik | if that could be fixed while you're at it, that'd be great :) |
| 08:31.51 | tadzik | freemangordon: ^ |
| 08:32.49 | freemangordon | tadzik: cannot reproduce |
| 08:33.34 | freemangordon | tadzik: are you sure you don't press power key twice? |
| 08:34.04 | tadzik | nope. |
| 08:34.08 | freemangordon | tadzik: nevertheless, if such bug exists, it is in mce, not in tklock |
| 08:34.17 | tadzik | There is a significant delay between the first and second press |
| 08:34.20 | tadzik | okay |
| 08:34.35 | kerio | freemangordon: please add a configurable powerkey-twice-to-unlock |
| 08:34.42 | freemangordon | how much? 2-3 seconds? |
| 08:34.44 | kerio | i'll love you forever if you do :3 |
| 08:34.58 | freemangordon | kerio: toldya, not with this relese |
| 08:35.04 | freemangordon | *release |
| 08:35.27 | freemangordon | lets get rid of memleaks first |
| 08:36.19 | tadzik | freemangordon: yeah, something of this sort |
| 08:36.40 | freemangordon | tadzik: well, that is double-press ;) |
| 08:36.46 | tadzik | oh, heh |
| 08:37.02 | tadzik | so it counts the bring-up-tklock press as the first press of lock-screen |
| 08:37.20 | freemangordon | tadzik: NFC, it is in mce :( |
| 08:37.22 | tadzik | indeed, if I wait long enough it doesn't happen |
| 08:37.30 | tadzik | okay, thanks |
| 08:39.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd much more appreciate a powerbutton menu behaviour like on Nokia 6210: skip to next menu entry with each short press, select current entry with a long press |
| 08:42.30 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it is mce again |
| 08:43.27 | freemangordon | though I don;t see the point of having such functionality on n900 |
| 08:51.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: the point is in general rule to allow *everything* to get alternatively done *only* with touchscreen, or completely *without* touchscreen |
| 08:52.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's about ergonomics |
| 08:53.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw a concept where older windows versions excelled |
| 08:54.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | where you got even 3 alternatives usually: mouse operated menu, alt-key operated menu, and hotkeys (like ctrl-s for "store") |
| 08:56.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo 4 menus were still operational with kbd/dpad/homebutton only |
| 08:57.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | though the entry pount - e.g. to start an app - been a tad weird, and only worked when you got at least one open window already |
| 08:58.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/pount/point/. |
| 09:01.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | power button as general operation mode profile switcher makes much sense in my book: profiles like: off, airplane, tablet, silent, outdoor, locked, unlocked, night, beach, sunny, stealth, stationary, mp3player... |
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| 09:27.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd honestly like to augment profiled to handle virtually all aspects of the device UI and general user option settings. Like screen brightness, time til lock, of course ringtone and volume... well generally all you can set via settings |
| 09:28.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I've pondered about how to implement such a concept quite a lot, nevertheless I'd appreciate some "idea sparring" |
| 09:33.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly the system level details of implementation are still a wide area for discussion about best design - from d-bus "replay" to completely change the user by redefining $HOME and relogin there is quite a number of possible approaches |
| 09:37.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even a complementary synthesis of several of those concepts, since each has its specific advantages and downsides |
| 09:39.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | switch user completely is damn cool since you could even switch to completely new trackerdb based on different tracker-config, to show other gallery content and music selection, new contacts addrbook and all |
| 09:41.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | but obviously to switch ringtone volume from outdoor to muffle it's damn heavy a method |
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| 09:48.50 | luf | kerio: luf's bluez? :D |
| 09:49.24 | luf | tadzik: ping |
| 09:51.14 | tadzik | luf: pong |
| 09:51.57 | luf | tadzik: what version of bluez are you using? |
| 09:52.08 | luf | And what OS on laptop :) |
| 09:53.00 | tadzik | luf: bluez, the one in cssu-t I guess. On laptop it's debian testing |
| 09:53.17 | luf | Ok. So the stock one bluez :) |
| 09:53.20 | tadzik | but again, when I re-paired the devices everething worked |
| 09:53.24 | tadzik | yeah, I guess so :) |
| 09:53.44 | luf | :) |
| 09:54.01 | tadzik | anyway, could it be made so N900 can receive files from devices it's not paired with? |
| 09:54.28 | tadzik | it's annoying to receive cheatsheets before exams when I have to pair with everyone |
| 09:55.07 | luf | I don't know. But I think you need to be paired (I should be wrong about it). |
| 10:00.10 | tadzik | it seems to Just Work on other devices |
| 10:02.32 | luf | tadzik: without PIN? |
| 10:02.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, why not |
| 10:03.18 | luf | Because of security? |
| 10:03.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | for *inbound* data it should just ask "do you want to accept this data?" |
| 10:03.32 | tadzik | agreed |
| 10:03.53 | tadzik | even when paired N900 asks for every file |
| 10:04.14 | tadzik | it's not like it automagically saves them in /bin |
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| 10:04.27 | luf | tadzik: because it asks where to store the file. |
| 10:04.45 | luf | And if you want to receive it. |
| 10:05.03 | luf | Ok I add it to my TODO |
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| 11:33.02 | merlin1991 | is there any particular reason why all eye docs in my area open 13:00 mondays?? |
| 11:33.21 | merlin1991 | In other words, it sucks to see nothing :D |
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| 13:24.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: GET A SPARE GLASSES |
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| 13:26.59 | freemangordon | I fixed a bug in powerkeymenu, new deb is in cssu-devel repo |
| 13:29.48 | jonwil | Can anyone point me at a .deb file that matches HEAD of http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/operator-name-cbs-widget please? |
| 13:30.07 | jonwil | If not, can someone compile one for me (my n900 compile env isn't usable right at this point) |
| 13:32.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ^^^ |
| 13:32.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ^^^ |
| 13:45.42 | Pali | jonwil: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/o/operator-name-cbs-widget/connui-home-cellular_3.1.1_armel.deb |
| 13:47.02 | jonwil | so that matches to HEAD? |
| 13:47.57 | jonwil | yeah it does by the look of it :) |
| 13:50.03 | Pali | check I do not know |
| 13:50.13 | Pali | maybe version/changelog |
| 13:50.40 | jonwil | actually no, its not HEAD |
| 13:50.44 | jonwil | HEAD is 3.2 |
| 13:50.49 | jonwil | not 3.1.1 |
| 13:51.00 | jonwil | if someone could build HEAD that would be most appreciated |
| 13:51.19 | jonwil | I am going away on holidays tomorrow and I want to have the latest version on my N900 when I go |
| 14:02.48 | jonwil | guess no-one is around who can help :( |
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| 14:05.50 | luf | jonwil: wait I'll try it in next hour. |
| 14:06.26 | merlin1991 | jonwil: by when do you need it? |
| 14:07.07 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: I'll get a spare pair as soon as i've visited the doc (which is tomorrow) |
| 14:08.04 | jonwil | I need it in 8h or so at the latest |
| 14:08.19 | jonwil | preferrably sooner if possible |
| 14:08.32 | jonwil | I would do it myself but there are issues with my dev environment that I dont have the time to sort out |
| 14:09.11 | merlin1991 | hm what version is in -testing currently? |
| 14:10.47 | luf | 3.1.1 |
| 14:12.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | moh is alive, but hiding! ;-P |
| 14:13.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: could we get a cookie into next cssu-t release? |
| 14:14.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | to count IPs in some httpd-log |
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| 14:14.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I really wanna know what's our userbase |
| 14:15.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | even if it's 'only' those N900 users that establish some connectivity on their device |
| 14:16.32 | merlin1991 | i feel rather silly atm, holding the lense inlay from my army gas mask up in order to read the screen :D |
| 14:16.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 14:18.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry guys, have to run, maybe this time my doc comes up with an idea how to get rid of this persisting flu |
| 14:18.12 | merlin1991 | hm i even have a built connui home cellular 3.2 here |
| 14:18.39 | merlin1991 | why didn't it go into last testing o_O? |
| 14:19.02 | merlin1991 | good luck DocScrutinizer05 |
| 14:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | blame maintainer8s) of testing! |
| 14:19.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 14:20.00 | jonwil | ok, if you have the build deb files for 3.2, that would be great :) |
| 14:20.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: kind reminder of the new N900 I'd like to put under my non-existent x-mess tree ;-) |
| 14:20.57 | merlin1991 | jonwil: http://cdnm.at/~christian/maemo/cssu/connui-home-cellular_3.2_armel.deb |
| 14:27.42 | merlin1991 | i see our big boss has joined :D |
| 14:29.08 | jon_y | they inner joined? :) |
| 14:29.37 | jon_y | sorry, couldn't resist |
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| 14:31.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi MohammadAG, welcome in this chan |
| 14:31.58 | jonwil | ok, thanks merlin1991, thats exactly what I need |
| 14:32.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and bbl |
| 14:32.13 | merlin1991 | jon_y: :D |
| 14:32.31 | jonwil | hmmm actually no its not, it seems to be displaying the wrong operator name :( |
| 14:33.15 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: toldya, i'l check if and when i have time ;) |
| 14:33.20 | freemangordon | i'll |
| 14:34.06 | freemangordon | merlin1991(and others): in case you've missed it - there is a new version of powerkeymenu in cssu-devel |
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| 14:38.37 | luf | freemangordon: already on my dev phone ;) |
| 14:43.12 | jonwil | bah this is annoying, its printing the incorrect operator name and I dont really have the time or working dev box to fix it |
| 14:44.33 | merlin1991 | jonwil: you can gather logs for Pali at least |
| 14:50.05 | jonwil | aah, stuff this, I think I can get my dev box working enough to compile stuff |
| 14:50.06 | jonwil | :P |
| 14:50.27 | MohammadAG | hey DocScrutinizer05 |
| 15:03.35 | jonwil | ok, good, my dev box seems to be working again |
| 15:04.13 | jonwil | one of the buttons on my mouse was somehow stuck in the "down" position |
| 15:07.33 | jonwil | ok, now its printing the correct operator name again |
| 15:09.01 | jonwil | Removing the whole "operator widget: handle operator name changes via dbus signal interface=Phone.Net; member=operator_name_change" change seems to have made it print the correct value again |
| 15:11.39 | jonwil | which is right because code inside the connectivity UI libs listens to operator_name_change and will call widget_net_status_cb when the operator has changed |
| 15:14.42 | jonwil | Based on my analysis of the inner workings of libconnui-cellular, connui-home-cellular, libcsnet0 and libcsnet-dev I an convinced that using the name passed into Phone.Net.operator_name_change is not correct |
| 15:14.56 | jonwil | in any case I have a binary on my phone that prints the correct operator name |
| 15:14.58 | jonwil | and I am happy |
| 15:15.16 | jonwil | any arguments about the right way to do things can be had once I get back from holidays I guess :) |
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| 18:08.32 | kerio | why the hell do i have connui-home-cellular 3.2 instead of 3.1.1 that's in cssu-devel? |
| 18:08.46 | merlin1991 | haxx? |
| 18:11.15 | kerio | omg |
| 18:12.14 | kerio | merlin1991: cssu-devel is outdated on a lot of shit |
| 18:13.14 | kerio | hm, what's the deal with modest-l10n-mr0? |
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| 18:13.40 | kerio | it's a fake package, why do we ship it, and why is the nokia package a greater version? |
| 18:14.06 | merlin1991 | because nokia suxx |
| 18:14.29 | kerio | yeah but there's no need to do that, their mr0 package is better than ours |
| 18:14.33 | kerio | higher version and all that |
| 18:14.41 | merlin1991 | or rather whoever did the inital cssu package didn't realize that all the different translations had diferent version numbers |
| 18:15.40 | kerio | merlin1991: community-testing has no Archive: label :( |
| 18:16.06 | kerio | oh, it's got a Label: label |
| 18:17.03 | merlin1991 | kerio: I have no control over the repos on maemo.org |
| 18:18.24 | kerio | merlin1991: still, why isn't it 6.11+0m5+0cssu3 or something |
| 18:18.37 | kerio | merlin1991: aren't you supposed to be a repo admin for maemo.org too? |
| 18:19.09 | merlin1991 | kerio: theory and praxis |
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| 20:45.22 | kerio | why do i have libglib2.0-0 at a higher version than the repos? |
| 20:46.26 | kerio | oh, marmistrz's repo |
| 20:48.01 | kerio | no, wait |
| 20:49.43 | kerio | dafuq, why does mp-fremantle-community-pr depend on maemo-optify-runonce? |
| 20:50.22 | kerio | merlin1991: explain pls |
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| 20:51.22 | merlin1991 | precaution |
| 20:51.47 | kerio | precaution for what? |
| 20:51.52 | kerio | it's even a predepend |
| 20:52.45 | merlin1991 | people making weird stuff to frelshly flashed images that didn't even boot properly once |
| 21:56.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ((<merlin1991> kerio: theory and praxis)) I gather that's another topic council should pick up |
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