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| 15:07.42 | merlin1991 | bad news, I broke my glasses yesterday --> no cssu bulding for me untill I can see properly again, to make things worse my spare (though not as strong) pair is in vienna and I'm not :/ |
| 15:11.46 | tadzik | bah, bad luck |
| 15:11.57 | tadzik | well, I broke me laptop yesterday |
| 15:12.12 | tadzik | maybe that's supposed to prepare me for glasses |
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| 15:30.16 | kerio | merlin1991: just increase the font size :P |
| 16:07.27 | freemangordon | guys, any clue why PR1.2 don't show OTA update? |
| 16:10.44 | kerio | freemangordon: is mp-fremantle-generic-pr installed? |
| 16:11.13 | freemangordon | kerio: this is a new device bough from a MNO |
| 16:11.19 | freemangordon | *bought |
| 16:11.29 | kerio | then why do you care? :o |
| 16:11.32 | kerio | flash 1.3 |
| 16:11.35 | freemangordon | and i don;t have it here |
| 16:11.51 | freemangordon | kerio: I know, I was asking why there is no OTA update |
| 16:12.01 | kerio | oh right, HAM won't work with the nokia repos anymore |
| 16:12.06 | kerio | maybe it's because of that |
| 16:12.09 | freemangordon | what? |
| 16:12.20 | kerio | the gpg key is busted, and HAM cares about that |
| 16:12.30 | freemangordon | aah :( |
| 16:12.34 | kerio | at the very least, to allow upgrades to "system" packages |
| 16:12.54 | kerio | freemangordon: enable redpill mode via gconftool, then disable every check in the HAM settings |
| 16:13.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAH |
| 16:13.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wish I could enable redpill mode on cloud-7 |
| 16:14.01 | freemangordon | kerio: I don;t have the device here, i'll have it tomorrow and will flash pr1.3 |
| 16:14.29 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: just reinstall everything |
| 16:14.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw redpill mode doesn't work on standard HAM |
| 16:14.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I can't do that |
| 16:15.17 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you can't enable via the catalogs trick, but you can enable it via gconftool |
| 16:15.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | not for HAM-PR1.2 afaik |
| 16:16.38 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: of course you can, boot up a new VPS server, attach the old disk to the new one, and debootstrap |
| 16:16.39 | kerio | OH WAIT |
| 16:16.45 | kerio | NOT DEBIAN |
| 16:16.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | err wut? |
| 16:17.26 | kerio | meh, just start a new vm, attach the old disk, copy the data and delete the old disk and the old vm |
| 16:18.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | the fsck how am I supposed to start a VM2 in VM1 to update kernel of VM1? |
| 16:18.24 | kerio | no, start VM2 at the same level of VM1 |
| 16:18.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I CANT |
| 16:18.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is a vserver |
| 16:18.49 | kerio | has been spoiled by the flexibility of EC2 |
| 16:19.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have no access to the level where VM1 is started |
| 16:19.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm living inside VM1 |
| 16:19.41 | kerio | yeah but you can tell the guys that control VM1 to do things |
| 16:19.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I could |
| 16:19.57 | kerio | amazon has a nice web interface for that, and a CLI tool too |
| 16:20.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | after I downloaded 40GB to my local PC via 2MBit downlonk, and then I restore data to new system via 256kBit uplink |
| 16:20.58 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: start a new vm while the old one is still running |
| 16:21.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | GRRRRRRRRRRRRR! |
| 16:21.25 | kerio | and pay the 5€ that it'll cost to run a VM for half a day |
| 16:21.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | bwahahahaha |
| 16:22.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is NOT amazon |
| 16:22.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | nor any other of those click-to-buy hosters |
| 16:23.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and afaik the iron that my vserver runs on has no more free storage left over |
| 16:25.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I guess it been a DoS attack and that weird PID numbering might mean nothing |
| 16:32.03 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: sure, if it makes you happy... :P |
| 16:32.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | pfff |
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| 16:35.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | if sth worries me than maybe that: 16086/udp open|filtered unknown 16430/udp open|filtered unknown 21784/udp open|filtered unknown 36669/udp open|filtered unknown 49189/udp open|filtered unknown 51690/udp open|filtered unknown 54807/udp open|filtered unknown 58419/udp open|filtered unknown |
| 16:35.59 | kerio | dafuq |
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| 16:42.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, particularly since netstat doesn't know of any of those |
| 16:42.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then, it's a vNIC on a VM |
| 16:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | who knows what the VM itself adds to the madness around that system running in it |
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| 17:16.27 | Pali | freemangordon, downloads.maemo.nokia.com (where is OTA) not working due to expired GPG key... |
| 17:17.25 | freemangordon | Pali: soemthing is fishy, as it gave errors even with apt-get |
| 17:17.46 | Pali | of cource, gpg key expired |
| 17:17.55 | freemangordon | i.e. apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, reboot, apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 17:18.11 | freemangordon | Pali: hmm, elaborate please, why ofc? |
| 17:18.24 | Pali | because apt-get also checking gpg signature |
| 17:18.38 | freemangordon | so, reflash is the only option? |
| 17:18.52 | Pali | solution could be to tell apt to ignore invalid signatures |
| 17:18.59 | freemangordon | how? |
| 17:19.03 | Pali | some special key for /etc/apt/... |
| 17:19.12 | Pali | but I do not know now |
| 17:19.15 | freemangordon | ok |
| 17:19.30 | Pali | or you can try to remove gpg keys from device |
| 17:19.41 | freemangordon | BTW... we should fix that somehow |
| 17:19.41 | Pali | maybe then apt allow to install/update |
| 17:19.57 | Pali | only possible fix is to resign packages |
| 17:20.00 | Pali | with nokia key |
| 17:20.12 | Pali | or with any key which is stored in n900 |
| 17:20.23 | freemangordon | hmm, isn;t there a way to somehow "extend" those? |
| 17:20.38 | Pali | you need to manually install gpg key into n900 |
| 17:20.42 | Pali | like cssu-enabler |
| 17:21.02 | freemangordon | Pali: so, if I setup the date to 2010.01.01, it'll be ok? |
| 17:21.14 | Pali | hm, it could be... |
| 17:21.30 | Pali | you cannot change expiration date of some public key (without private) |
| 17:26.10 | freemangordon | Pali: so it is Nokia who should do it? |
| 17:26.30 | freemangordon | I mean is it possible at all |
| 17:26.41 | Pali | only owner of private key can change expiration of gpg key |
| 17:26.55 | freemangordon | to extend the validity period, without installing new key on the device |
| 17:27.08 | Pali | expiration is changed by adding new signature to key |
| 17:27.28 | freemangordon | Pali: so, there is no way? |
| 17:27.28 | Pali | so after that you must refresh gpg key from keyserver (to add new expiration signature) |
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| 17:27.44 | freemangordon | is that automatic? |
| 17:27.49 | Pali | I do not know if apt trying to refresh key automatically |
| 17:28.03 | Pali | some email clients doing it |
| 17:28.15 | freemangordon | so, can we pester nokia? |
| 17:28.22 | freemangordon | to fix that |
| 17:29.41 | Pali | yes, only nokia can change expiration |
| 17:29.50 | Pali | without that downloads.maemo.nokia.com will not work |
| 17:30.08 | freemangordon | we need to find someone with a valid warranty to write them a letter |
| 17:30.34 | Pali | when gpg key will be valid again, we can start talking how to refresh it into devices (or import new key, if nokia change it)... |
| 17:31.15 | freemangordon | hmm, I wonder who should to that. the board? the council? |
| 17:32.33 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05? |
| 17:32.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously council |
| 17:32.49 | Pali | who is admin of downloads.maemo.nokia.com? |
| 17:33.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | but, tbh, i'm already fed up with them not answering *any* of our mails |
| 17:33.10 | Pali | or who has private gpg key? |
| 17:33.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: if in doubt: always X-Fade/nemein |
| 17:34.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I've never heard about any other contact |
| 17:35.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | also his cloak suggests he's "the man" |
| 17:35.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | xfade@Maemo/community/webmaster/X-Fade |
| 17:36.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | there might be others, but nothing documented about it that I'd know of |
| 17:38.27 | kerio | Pali: hold on, i'm fairly certain that apt-get will ask the user if it can't verify some packages |
| 17:38.42 | freemangordon | kerio: :nod: |
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| 17:39.34 | freemangordon | anyway, i'll report WTF is going on when I have access to the device. it could be there is some conflicting package installed |
| 17:40.18 | kerio | freemangordon: maybe the device just doesn't know about the updated system |
| 17:40.30 | kerio | because the repo update fails due to the gpg key |
| 17:40.46 | kerio | apparently 'Ignore {"gpg-pubkey"; };' is good enough to avoid that |
| 17:40.54 | kerio | i don't get error messages during the download phase of apt-get update |
| 17:41.01 | freemangordon | but i did apt-get upgrade by hand. well , not me, but the lady is a smart one |
| 17:41.55 | kerio | freemangordon: it's possible that the *update* part fails |
| 17:42.00 | kerio | and the device doesn't know about the new packages |
| 17:42.06 | kerio | apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-generic-pr to check that |
| 17:42.12 | kerio | once you've got the device |
| 17:42.17 | freemangordon | ok |
| 17:42.20 | freemangordon | could be |
| 17:43.04 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, see: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12522 |
| 17:43.06 | povbot | Bug 12522: Problem with keys of Nokia |
| 17:43.16 | Pali | there was problem with bad gpg key for ovi store |
| 17:43.28 | freemangordon | BTW is it possible to jump to CSSU from PR1.2? |
| 17:43.40 | Pali | and who fixed that bug is Stefano Mosconi |
| 17:43.48 | kerio | freemangordon: i don't think so |
| 17:43.57 | Pali | which is not in nokia anymore... |
| 17:44.08 | kerio | freemangordon: HAM is stupid, it won't upgrade packages that aren't listed in the metapackage dependencies |
| 17:44.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: :nod: |
| 17:44.42 | freemangordon | kerio: I don't need HAM that much. I can do apt-get upgrade by hand ;) |
| 17:44.49 | kerio | me too! :D |
| 17:45.33 | kerio | but community-ssu-enabler will still only mark as manually installed the packages from the currently-installed mp-fremantle-generic-pr or something |
| 17:45.35 | freemangordon | Pali: can we contact hoi for an advise? |
| 17:45.39 | freemangordon | *him |
| 17:45.51 | Pali | try |
| 17:45.56 | freemangordon | heh |
| 17:46.11 | kerio | hm, i'm still getting errors here :( |
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| 17:52.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: aiui board is about to inherit the whole stuff, so probably Nokia won't fix that pubkey now, since it's basically useless as soon as we inherited it anyway. Which indeed is a quite intriguing aspect of this infra handover |
| 17:52.55 | Pali | also private gpg keys? |
| 17:52.58 | Pali | really? |
| 17:53.08 | Pali | sorry I do not belive... |
| 17:53.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the 1 million $ question |
| 17:53.26 | kerio | just sign them all again |
| 17:54.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll have to ask board about that detail, since obviously it's board which talks to/with Nokia, not council |
| 17:54.46 | Pali | one possible solution could be to generate new key, resign all packages and create deb package with new public key and all n900 users will need to install it... |
| 17:54.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: could you do me a favor and bring it up next council meeting? |
| 17:55.05 | Pali | when? |
| 17:55.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | Fri 18UTC |
| 17:55.28 | Pali | ok |
| 17:55.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Council meetings every Friday @ 18:00 UTC |
| 17:56.23 | kerio | Pali: just use the maemo.org community repositories key |
| 17:56.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 17:56.55 | Pali | merlin has private key |
| 17:57.03 | Pali | but for HAM it is not enought |
| 17:57.24 | kerio | Pali: are we to assume that users are going to install cssu? |
| 17:57.43 | Pali | you need to add gpg key to apt line in some HAM zone file |
| 17:59.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: probably best: send a mail with proper explanation of the problem (and how stuff works), the possible fixes, and the questions to community@mo, board@mo and council@mo |
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| 18:00.13 | Pali | what is full email of board? |
| 18:00.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | board at mo |
| 18:00.46 | Pali | ok |
| 18:00.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | BCC please |
| 18:01.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | for board |
| 18:10.41 | kerio | apparently deleting the appropriate files in /var/lib/apt/lists, deleting the nokia keys, and redownloading them made the "Err:" during apt-get update disappear |
| 18:12.29 | kerio | also, TIL the auto-installed marker is stored in a single flat file |
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| 19:44.49 | kerio | hm, should luf's bluez ship with bluetooth PAN configured? |
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| 21:49.05 | tadzik | urgh. My N900 successfully paired with my laptop via bluetooth, but the send-file thing doesn't detect it |
| 22:11.51 | ShadowJK | if laptop doesn't advertise it has the receive-file thingy, it wont appear in N900's send-file thing list |
| 22:13.05 | tadzik | it used to work |
| 22:13.16 | tadzik | well, I'll double check the laptop then |
| 22:17.21 | tadzik | ok, I re-paired them from both sides and it now works |
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| 22:45.26 | Pali | kerio, some package with name usbmode is alredy in extras-devel for diablo |
| 22:45.43 | kerio | pretend it's the same |
| 22:45.48 | kerio | and gain ownership |
| 22:45.48 | Pali | kerio, so I need name for package usbmode... |
| 22:45.50 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/usbmode/ |
| 22:46.03 | kerio | Pali: usb-mode |
| 22:46.17 | Pali | I already asked maintainer of that package and he wrote that better will be new name... |
| 22:47.40 | kerio | usb-hostmode |
| 22:48.27 | kerio | usbhost |
| 22:48.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | how about hen |
| 22:48.51 | kerio | hostmode-easy-before |
| 22:49.15 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, i'm not sure it's comparable |
| 22:50.11 | kerio | hostmode-easier-now |
| 22:50.51 | kerio | fuckin-nokia-couldnt-add-proper-usb-otg |
| 22:51.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | fUSBar |
| 22:51.47 | kerio | ooh, ne |
| 22:51.49 | kerio | at |
| 22:54.41 | kerio | Pali: btw, you should remove the usbmode icon from the menu at least |
| 22:54.55 | kerio | it's unnecessary |
| 22:57.55 | kerio | Pali: usb-mode-switcher |
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| 23:28.24 | freemangordon | tklock bug fixed, package in cssu-devel repo |
| 23:28.34 | freemangordon | kerio: ^^^ |
| 23:41.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: what was the bug? |
| 23:41.45 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it was missing portrait mode support :) |
| 23:42.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, and that caused those artifacts? |
| 23:42.21 | freemangordon | i.e. when started in portrait, it has to use different layout |
| 23:42.27 | freemangordon | yes |
| 23:42.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, that been easy then :-D |
| 23:43.09 | freemangordon | yeah, less than 50 lines of code :) |
| 23:43.28 | freemangordon | BTW I am going to put LGPL on that |
| 23:43.44 | freemangordon | thre is nothing Nokia remaining |
| 23:43.49 | freemangordon | *there |
| 23:44.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | nice |
| 23:45.34 | freemangordon | well, besides some function names, but I don;t really care about them |
| 23:52.31 | freemangordon | ok. licensing fixed, tommorow will check with valgrind for any leaks i might have introduced with the latest fixes. Not that I expect such, but just in case |