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00:59.37kolpHi, does anyone have an idea how hard it would be to replace the wifi icon in the status area with one that shows the link quality like in the status menu?
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09:03.49kolp_Hi, does anyone have an idea how hard it would be to replace the wifi icon in the status area with one that shows the link quality like in the status menu?
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09:42.35merlin1991kolp: you'd have to rewrite the plugin
09:55.53lufmerrlin1991: did you catch my message that irmc in obexd is fixed in cssu git?
09:56.40kolpmerlin1991: is it open source?
09:57.05merlin1991luf: yep, I'm building :)
09:57.08merlin1991kolp: no idea
09:57.30kolpok, thanks, I'll have a look :)
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10:19.29MrPinguPali: status-menu-battery applet seems to fine over here, having BME, KP51r1 and on CSSU_thumb ;)
10:19.31MrPinguThanks
10:19.57PaliMrPingu, ok
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10:21.37MrPinguExcept for the weird calculation of remaining time
10:22.12MrPinguBut that's not you to blame :P
10:22.57Paliyou can use time calculation from bq27x00_battery module when bme is stopped
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10:31.44MrPinguI know :)
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11:01.32kolpmerlin1991: fyi, it's closed, together with libconnui, for which also no headers are available. Awesome...
11:02.25merlin1991hm afaik we do have reversed headers for libconnui somewhere (not sure might be that is one of the aborted re projects though)
11:02.50merlin1991Pali/freemangordon/jonwil would know
11:06.33freemangordonhttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libconnui-dev
11:06.41freemangordonkudos to jonwil
11:07.39kolpThanks, will check
11:08.23freemangordonPali:  I wonder how BME calculates the remaining time
11:08.43freemangordonI don;t believe it is wrong, most probably we just miss something
11:09.11Palifreemangordon, see changelog from nokia binary package
11:09.28Palithere is written that remaining time was deleted from widget (fixing some bug)
11:10.32Pali<PROTECTED>
11:10.43Pali<PROTECTED>
11:11.03Paliping andre__
11:11.24freemangordonok, but why is that? I bet it is because initialy n900 has usage time around 6 hours :D:D:D
11:11.36freemangordons/has/had/
11:12.14andre__pong Pali
11:12.18andre__on the leave
11:12.34andre__and no, I don't have access to Nokia's bugtracker anymore :)
11:13.56Paliok
11:14.13freemangordonbattery.remaining_time = 0  (0x0)  (int)
11:14.28freemangordonUSB connected
11:14.47Paliandre__, do you remember why was remaining time removed from status menu applet?
11:15.13Palifreemangordon, when charging bme not reporting time (sometimes)
11:15.49freemangordonPali: in ^^^ case you'd better write "Charging" or "Connected to charger" instead of the remaining time of 0
11:16.19Palimy applet never show time 0
11:16.26Paliand it really show charging
11:16.32Palior not?
11:16.35Palibug?
11:17.11Paliand new hald-addon-bme reporting time when battery will be fully charged
11:17.13freemangordonPali: I don;t have your applet installed
11:17.19Paliok :-)
11:17.30freemangordonjust lshal -u /../bme
11:27.16kolpPali: it shows 'charging', and also the time remaining
11:27.36kolp(Which right now is 2 hours for 82%) o.O
11:27.54Palikolp, I do not know how bme working...
11:28.07kolpAnd then switches to 5 hours when I disconnect the charger :)
11:36.16merlin1991sqlite from marmistrz looks good
11:36.18merlin1991now building
11:38.09merlin1991bah it needs debhelper >= 7
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11:54.58chem|stmerlin1991: do you have a workaround at hand for the ARGZ thing with modest not building
11:55.39merlin1991I haxx0red my libtool file the last time
11:55.57chem|stÎ was wondering what broke it
11:56.00merlin1991(/usr/share/libtool/libtool.m4)
11:56.41merlin1991hm not that m4 file though
11:57.12chem|stI was looking into several files attached to that matter and did not find anything
11:57.29chem|stI definetly miss something there
11:57.34freemangordonmerlin1991: wasn't it automake version?
11:57.52chem|stfreemangordon: nothing changed...
11:57.53freemangordoni.e. you need to install --reinstll 1.8
11:58.04freemangordonand after that install --reinstall 1.9
11:58.13chem|stwell I try that again
11:58.32merlin1991freemangordon: I never made it to the right config of automake versions, so I just haxx0red the absolute path into the m4 file so it did could find the stuff
11:58.43chem|stI did not want to touch that again cause that was what broke kerecv before
11:58.43freemangordonyou can try autoreconf --force
11:58.54freemangordon^^^
11:59.01chem|stmerlin1991: that was intltool
11:59.07merlin1991ah yeah true
11:59.17chem|stwhich is working fine with my setup
11:59.30merlin1991ah yeah I remember
11:59.42chem|stI had to install automake in a specific order
11:59.52merlin1991I only remember the argz stuff because it showed up whilst I tried to get intltool to run
12:00.05merlin1991hm currently grepping for that stuff but can't find it :P
12:00.11chem|stfreemangordon: I did not change anything apart of installing pythen-dev things in between
12:01.48freemangordonaah, wait
12:01.55chem|stI am scared to try that installation procedure of automake again
12:02.20freemangordonremove python-dev, disable maemo-extras repo and install python-dev from SDK repo
12:02.21chem|stfreemangordon: I cannot remember what was pulled in with it
12:02.30freemangordonchem|st: does not matter
12:02.41chem|stehrm one second
12:02.42freemangordoniirc there are 2 versions of python-dev
12:03.00freemangordonthe one in extras breaks a couple of packages. IIRC
12:03.05freemangordonyou need the one in SDK
12:03.09freemangordonrepo
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12:04.44merlin1991oh yes, the sqlite library from harm cannot be built in it's current form for the cssu :/
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12:09.26Palikerio, I updated hald-addon-bme & status menu plugin
12:09.35Palinow working fine without bme too :-)
12:09.41Paliyou can try them
12:09.54Palifiles are on same URLs
12:12.53merlin1991hm sqlite from harmattan depends on debhelper 7 (fixed easily), tcl8.5 (even conflicts 8.4 which is what we have) and automake 1.10 (latest we have is 1.9)
12:14.52freemangordonmerlin1991: we have automake 1.10
12:15.01merlin1991in -devel
12:15.04merlin1991not in sdk / cssu
12:17.43freemangordonPali: a wild idea - it seems BME is reporting some sane values, can you average the last N reported values and use that somehow
12:19.18freemangordonPali: for remaining time that is
12:37.07chem|stre
12:39.16chem|stfreemangordon: changed the python stuff
12:39.40chem|stso back to ARGZ
12:39.48chem|stideas?
12:41.42chem|stit is not the automake and it is not the python-dev thing
12:51.00merlin1991chemist run a git clean -dfxe .gitignore and then try to build again
12:51.51chem|stnope
12:56.24andre__Pali, oh, no idea, sorry
12:57.09merlin1991hm searching for the gl_func_argz fun on google brought me http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-11-04.log.html
12:57.26merlin1991somewhere around 1:20 the fun starts :D
13:02.04chem|st?
13:02.25merlin1991fun as in great irc quote quality .D
13:02.26chem|stI found that before but around 1:20 isn't anything useful
13:02.42merlin1991usually fun isn't usefull ;)
13:03.08chem|st... you mean I earned a free promotion as soon as I get it to build that way?
13:03.51merlin1991yeah you'll have to pay 2€ more into the cssu fund after you got your promotion, cssu status are very strict ;)
13:03.55merlin1991*statutes*
13:05.35chem|stnice :(
13:05.53chem|stasking lardman in #maemo how he solved it...
13:10.56Paliandre__, ok
13:11.20Palifreemangordon, so this should be done in hald-addon-bme (not in status menu applet)
13:21.02Palifreemangordon, here is screen of old battery widget with time info: http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/nokias-maemo-os-appearing-next-month-627450
13:21.09Palifrom August 19th 2009
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13:33.18Palihere is too: http://mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml
13:34.19MrPinguMaybe they removed it because BME calculations suck
13:37.32Paligood point
13:39.43Palifreemangordon, can you test if new libbmeipc working with kernel drivers?
13:40.01PaliI fixed last problems in hald-addon-bme and it is ready for replace
13:42.58jonwildo we have proper algorithm for calculating temperature yet (i.e. to pass correct value to pulseaudio)
13:44.03Paliyes
13:44.13Paliimplemented in kernel driver rx51_battery.ko
13:44.33jonwilhow did you figure out the math?
13:46.40Palijonwil, I found on net formula for some samsung chip
13:46.53jonwiland it works same as real BME?
13:47.22Paliand DocScrutinizer05 put his n900 into fridge for getting more RAW+BME values
13:47.33jonwilok
13:47.51Paliand then I modified constants in samsung formula
13:48.21Paliand then that formula reported same values as DocScrutinizer's bme
13:48.37jonwilok, sounds good then
13:49.12Palijonwil, and I found in CAL formula constants
13:49.27Paliso I think we really have connrect formula
13:49.38jonwilthats good to know
13:50.01Palijonwil, so bme replacement is complete :-)
13:50.12jonwilWould the CAL constants be in the bit that changes from device to device?
13:50.13Palinow we need to test if everything together working
13:50.14MrPinguGood work, Pali!
13:50.46Palijonwil, I looked into more CAL dumps and all has same value in that constants position
13:50.52jonwilok
13:51.12Palijonwil, look to irc log for more info
13:51.20jonwilok
13:51.25jonwilsounds good anyway if we got it all figured out
13:51.38jonwilGood that we have open source BME replacement bits
13:51.54Palijonwil, now we have working new status menu plugin too :-)
13:52.01Palifor battery
13:52.14jonwilThat's one less binary blob the MeeGo/Mer/Tizen/etc guys need to use
13:52.41Palijonwil, I need to know what systemui actdead battery plugin doing
13:52.56Palido you have time to write some documentation about systemui?
13:53.10Palifreemangordon, want to rewrite alarm systemui plugin too
13:53.24Paliso some systemui info will be usefull
13:54.05DocScrutinizer05jonwil: I couldn't care less about tizen rt al guys and what they have to use or not
13:54.20Palijonwil, I sent rx51_battery driver for upstreaming: https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/30/446
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14:11.54jonwillooking at that plugin, I see it making calls to libcanberra, dbus, glib, gconf, gtk, libhal and pango
14:18.27jonwilThe canberra stuff is all about playing /usr/share/sounds/ui-charging_started.wav and /usr/share/sounds/ui-wrong_charger.wav
14:18.45jonwildbus is about interface='com.nokia.mce.signal',member='display_status_ind', interface='com.nokia.mce.request',member='req_display_state_off', interface='com.nokia.mce.request',member='req_display_state_on' and interface='com.nokia.mce.request',member='get_display_status'
14:19.12jonwilgconf is reading /system/systemui/acting_dead/window_priority
14:23.09jonwilits also setting up HAL stuff to look at the properties maemo.rechargeable.charging_status, maemo.charger.connection_status, battery.charge_level.current
14:27.48jonwilit also looking for battery.rechargeable.is_charging, battery.rechargeable.is_discharging, maemo.charger.type, battery.charge_level.capacity_state,
14:27.53jonwilI hope that info helps
14:35.31freemangordonjonwil: do you have any info about systemui?
14:35.37freemangordonanything REed?
14:36.08jonwilhttp://www.cncmods.net/files/systemui.h
14:36.18jonwilthats all I got basically
14:41.52jonwilthat plus anything I posted to the lists
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14:45.35jonwilpoints Pali to the logs
14:48.27jonwilwishes using OpenSSL to do AES encryption wasn't so hard :(
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14:51.18Palijonwil, irc log for battery temperature: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-09-27.log.html#t2012-09-27T17:00:18
14:51.26Pali+ look some days before and after
14:51.32jonwil':)
14:51.42jonwildid you see my info on the actingdead plugin?
15:04.50Palinow from irc log
15:21.04chem|stcan someone who has no python dev stuff installed pls try to install python-all-dev python-support and tell me what it wants to drag in?!
15:24.18MrPinguhttp://pastebin.com/zSVfAbxK
15:24.29MrPinguchem|st: ^^^
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15:25.11MrPinguAlready got python-support but for python-dev dependencies are there, I guess. Hope it helps you
15:29.23merlin1991chem|st: apt-cache show python-all-dev ;)
15:29.27chem|stMrPingu: damn... thankyou
15:29.55chem|stmerlin1991: I needed a dependency tree not only its own dependencies
15:30.16chem|stmerlin1991: was looking if I missed something
15:30.49chem|stso for some reason modest compiled fine before I had a hand on libxml2
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17:04.08keriogoddammit where's pali
17:04.10kerio~seen Pali
17:04.20infobotpali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 1h 59m 30s ago, saying: 'now from irc log'.
17:05.29keriohrmpf :C
17:05.36kerioi need to tell him his hald-addon-bme sucks
17:05.39kerioor something
17:05.50freemangordonsend him an email
17:09.58freemangordonit is not in /tec/* either
17:10.05freemangordon*/etc/*
17:10.19freemangordonI wonder if it is because of the country I live
17:14.22freemangordonoops, ECHAN
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17:49.02lufkerio: pali is back ;)
17:49.08kerioluf: i know :D
17:49.25kerioPali: here's probably better, even though it's not exactly cssu material
17:49.44kerioPali: left charging overnight, woke to battery at "99%" and charging
17:50.24kerioremoved charger, and then started toying around to try to make the charging icon disappear
17:51.36Palikerio, did you updated to new version?
17:51.43keriowhich new version?
17:51.44keriono
17:51.54keriogimme some binaries
17:51.56keriopossibly in .debs
17:52.33kerioi don't have a toolchain anywhere
17:53.08Palihttp://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/latest.log.html#t2012-11-07T14:09:26
17:53.28Palikerio, update both hald-addon-bme and status menu plugin and then reboot
17:53.34Palibinaries are on same url
17:53.57kerioPali: so now the applet works regardless of hald-addon-bme?
17:54.01kerio:D :D :D
17:54.11Paliyes it is working :-)
17:54.38keriobut hald-addon-bme expects the modules to be loaded only
17:54.57keriois it still status-area-applet-battery 1.0-1?
17:55.06Paliyes, same files
17:55.23Palihald-addon-bme support modules hotplug too
17:55.37keriowhat values does it provide when no modules are loaded?
17:55.48Palizero
17:56.42keriowon't it shut down the phone due to low battery then? :)
17:57.33Palino
17:57.41kerioPali: the status applet still checks for the version of bme, doesn't it
17:57.42kerio:(
17:57.54kerioit locks up the booting :(
17:58.16Paliyes it check, but reading charging values when changing
17:59.17kerioPali: hmm, there's something wrong
17:59.23kerioi get a solid green led when the screen is locked
18:00.16kerionew hald-addon-bme, new status-area-applet-battery, bq2415x-charger, bq27x00-battery and rx51-battery loaded
18:01.21keriohm, now i don't
18:01.29keriook, i'm going to try charging now
18:07.32kerioPali: idea: tapping on the battery in the status menu gives additional bq27200 informations
18:16.00DocScrutinizer05^^^ I support that idea a lot
18:17.33DocScrutinizer05kerio: you're aware green LED is just a msg to mce, requesting a certain pattern? The pattern will
18:17.50DocScrutinizer05'stick' until unset or overridden by a pattern with higher prio
18:18.03kerioPali: and, in that same popup, allow starting hostmode or something
18:18.28keriohas very little space in the status menu
18:18.37DocScrutinizer05I.E. allow execution of arbitrary binary on clicking a certain button
18:19.04kerioDocScrutinizer05: you're going to run sudo bq27200.sh 60, right
18:19.06kerioit won't work!
18:19.17DocScrutinizer05'color' (and maybe also writing) on the button depending on return of the 'binary' called
18:20.15DocScrutinizer05kerio: depends on proper specs for the API between that applet and the binary
18:21.14kerioPali: you made the applet use the bq27200 data for the full charge :D :D :D
18:21.15kerioi love you
18:22.23DocScrutinizer05kerio: I think of 'binary' returning sth like `echo "-textbox "voltage: 3800mV\ncurrent: 266mA discharge"`
18:22.49keriohm
18:23.04kerioeeh, i don't really like it
18:23.14kerioif you want custom messages, there's widgets or buttons for it
18:23.49DocScrutinizer05or `echo "-button-color red -button-text 'kernel module didn't respond'"
18:24.40PaliI'm not going to implement that
18:24.43PaliI do not have time for it
18:24.58DocScrutinizer05kerio: I don't like a hard dependency of battery applet to either bq24xx.ko stuff nor any other h-e-n or bme-replacement related stuff
18:25.13kerioDocScrutinizer05: i think it uses hald-addon-bme data
18:25.16kerioPali: right?
18:25.29DocScrutinizer05I honestly don't care what it's using
18:25.30kerioPali: btw, it works perfectly
18:25.50DocScrutinizer05h-e-n original is supposed to still work, even with new applet
18:26.12kerionot if bq27x00-charger is loaded :)
18:26.22kerioer, bq2415x-charger
18:26.29kerioyou'd have to change booston a tiny bit
18:27.00DocScrutinizer05pfff, what makes you think h-e-n original v2.0 couldn't unload bq2415x-charger to do stuff the way it thinks is better suited?
18:27.25keriobecause if it did that, i'd tell it to fuck off >:C
18:27.46kerioi want battery information while hostmoding, dammit
18:27.49DocScrutinizer05then I tell you as h-e-n user to f o
18:28.09kerioh-e-n devs are so rude!
18:28.24DocScrutinizer05so what? booston already gathers some battery info
18:29.22DocScrutinizer05it could gather more, if only no other process interferes by exclusively allocatzing the I2C interface to the chips
18:29.56keriokernel module don't care, kernel module don't give a fuck
18:30.15DocScrutinizer05???
18:30.26DocScrutinizer05detects kerio trolling mode
18:30.33kerioa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg reference
18:30.35DocScrutinizer05o/
18:32.38kerioDocScrutinizer05: anyway, there is (or should be) no need to unload the charger modules to do hostmode
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18:40.07freemangordonalarm UI leaks at least one DBusMessage :(
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19:23.10DocScrutinizer05leaks dbus-msg?
19:34.51kerioPali: why do we need the "Battery:" text in the status menu applet?
19:35.07Paliwhy not?
19:35.16kerioit uses up space for no good reason
19:35.16Paliin original there is
19:35.23keriothere's *only* that in the original
19:35.49Palido you have problem with space in your language?
19:35.57Palistrings are transtaled
19:36.15kerioit's kinda full when it's also charging
19:36.36kerioPali: do you have a libbmeipc to give me too?
19:36.57Palikerio, new freemangordon libbmeipc only export temperate
19:37.16Paliyes, there is source code in git repo: https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement/libbmeipc
19:41.11Palikerio, for help ask freemangordon, he tested older version
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20:26.39lufI have a question about bluez PAN.
20:27.05lufAnyone open to discussion how it should be implemented?
20:27.37lufI'm trying to create a mode for NAP where no bridge interface will be used.
20:28.18lufBut it needs some mechanism for setting the interface which is added.
20:28.20kerioluf: #bluez :)
20:28.58lufkerio: :D Nice they remove all other code except NAP + bridge => I see no possibility
20:29.17lufkerio: any other idea opinion? :)
20:29.28lufI see two different ways
20:29.43kerioluf: no, i mean, go ask the guys in #bluez
20:29.46kerioit's the dev channel
20:31.06luf1) put back the network.conf with NAP settings (bridge_name - none mean no bridge, script for setting devices, option if bluez should start NAP automaticaly during startup)
20:31.34luf2) just call some DBUS signal/method to keep another sw to setup the interface
20:31.53lufkerio: it's not so low devel thing.
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20:33.10lufoption 1 means everything will be managed by bluez, option 2 means keep the settings of interfaces on another piece of SW.
20:34.56kerioi'd vote for 1
20:35.07keriobut changing config files doesn't allow for "live" configuration
20:37.36lufkerio: that's the problem ;) Also when you want to use NAP + bridge - someone should create some settings (what interface is for outgoing traffic - or choose from default route + some priorities in config file - it sounds very complicated)?
20:38.50lufBTW live configuration should be done in runtime only (change the bridge + include/exclude interface) or change some bnepX interface ... while config settings are default for next bluez restart.
20:41.09lufHmmm, it's good to write it here. I make better overview for myself.
20:41.38lufNow I prefer option 1.
20:43.06lufDocScrutinizer05: I think you will be happy to share your opinion :)
20:45.23DocScrutinizer05I have to think about it, not sure I really understand the details yet
20:45.50lufDocScrutinizer05: Ok. feel free to ask.
20:46.14lufMaybe I should also describe the current situation (bluez-4.99).
20:47.33lufNow the NAP is enabled/disabled using DBUS methods - it's a problem that you have to enable NAP when you pair it with computer so the computer can see that the device supporting NAP.
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21:15.04lufI'm going to sleep. But I'll take a look into archive so if you have any thought about bluez + PAN please write it.
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