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| 08:11.20 | luf | merlin1991: please postpone new -testing as critical bug found in obexd for IrMC support. |
| 08:11.41 | freemangordon | :) |
| 08:34.30 | luf | freemangordon: not so funny. The bug is also in last -testing. I don't know if only some of carkits are sensitive to the bug or noone using CSSU testing is using IrMC or just no bug report or I miss the bug report ... |
| 08:35.03 | luf | Unfortunately I have no access to IrMC carkit to test it :( |
| 08:35.52 | freemangordon | did you find a fix? |
| 08:36.01 | luf | I hope so. |
| 08:36.24 | luf | But I have to wait for someone to test it. |
| 08:56.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess it's once more the testing that fails, unknown number of users limes 0 using carkit |
| 09:05.04 | luf | DocScrutinizer51: I use carkit but I don't use IrMC profile ... and previously I was able to test IrMC with brothers carkit but he is lazy to repair it :( |
| 09:10.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | luf: that's fine. But actually we need devels to find and poll their tester base *before* anything is supposed to get included even into cssu-t |
| 09:10.51 | luf | I understand. |
| 09:12.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | the stuff in -testing is already suppposed to have been thoroughly tested by devel and a crew of betatesters. Testing userbase are *not* those betatesters |
| 09:12.43 | luf | But it's harder with obexd as you can use different profiles to get the same result. And carkits usually don't provide enough info to know what way they supports :( |
| 09:14.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep, I see the problem. But you already described the problem with betatesting in cssu-t some lines above, that's why betatesting definitely must happen *before* new pkg goes to cssu-t |
| 09:15.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | for betatesting there's cssu-devel |
| 09:17.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | then some half dozen users raises hand here and utters 'yay, used it, no problems seen' and we nclude pkg to testing |
| 09:17.48 | luf | DocScrutinizer51: I agree. The problem is that people/testers don't know what profile they're using. |
| 09:19.12 | luf | I'll try to improve the testing for sure. But I'm not perfect just a human. |
| 09:19.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | np we all are |
| 09:19.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | :) |
| 09:20.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | just uttering some hopefully helpful sidenotes on basic SOP |
| 09:20.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | no blaming |
| 09:21.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | except for us maintainers who again stepped outa our path regarding this |
| 09:22.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | so basically it's myself (and to a lesser degree merlin1991) to blame, if anybody |
| 09:22.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's my role to play the negatron here, I failed |
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| 14:36.34 | kerio | luf: does irmc work with the stock obexd? |
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| 15:22.02 | luf | kerio: no |
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| 17:51.07 | kerio | hm, then we don't have any regressions from stock regarding obexd :D |
| 17:51.15 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: :D |
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| 17:59.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: depending on severity of the bug it might still be a regression |
| 17:59.59 | kerio | of course |
| 18:00.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. when the bug causes some carkits to explode |
| 18:00.07 | kerio | i was just mildly trolling :) |
| 18:00.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah, missed that |
| 18:00.21 | kerio | also if a bluetooth client can make your carkit explode you have much bigger problems |
| 18:00.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | a lot actually |
| 18:00.49 | kerio | or, depending on the severity of the explosion, you have a sweet remote-triggered bomb |
| 18:01.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...and no more problems after triggering it ;-P |
| 18:01.53 | kerio | if we want to cheat we can just disable the irmc support in obexd |
| 18:02.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | the developer though might face severe problems even when the one who auto-nuked doesn't |
| 18:03.01 | kerio | approaching this from a physics perspective, if we have no observation of bugs there are no bugs |
| 18:04.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | is this general quatum physics, or more specifically a declination of Schroedinger's cat theorem? |
| 18:04.55 | kerio | just the scientific method |
| 18:05.12 | kerio | if you can't *find* errors in your model, it means that it's good enough |
| 18:05.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | if nobody is observing something, that means that nobody is observing it, though |
| 18:05.55 | kerio | if irmc is buggy but nobody uses it, is it really buggy? |
| 18:05.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the state is undefined |
| 18:06.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, it's like Schroedinger's cat |
| 18:06.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither alive nor dead |
| 18:06.24 | kerio | i should test it on my dad's car, but i doubt it supports all those features |
| 18:06.35 | kerio | it's kinda old |
| 18:07.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: does infobot have a way to keep messages for people? |
| 18:09.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | kinda |
| 18:10.17 | kerio | ~tell |
| 18:10.31 | kerio | ~message |
| 18:10.40 | kerio | hm |
| 18:11.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+helpbotmail |
| 18:11.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+help botmail |
| 18:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody will ever check his account for new mail |
| 18:11.58 | kerio | hehe |
| 18:12.00 | kerio | ~botmail check |
| 18:12.10 | kerio | i have no botmail :( |
| 18:12.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botmail kerio this is a test |
| 18:12.42 | kerio | ~botmail read |
| 18:12.52 | kerio | "You have no botmail." |
| 18:13.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 18:13.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~botmail for kerio this is a test |
| 18:13.24 | kerio | ~botmail read |
| 18:13.32 | kerio | yay i got it |
| 18:14.32 | kerio | i should just use memoserv i suppose |
| 18:14.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, but recently I wasn't able to find out how to use it |
| 18:15.04 | MrPingu | ~botmail check |
| 18:15.18 | MrPingu | ah cool :D |
| 18:15.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~query |
| 18:15.19 | infobot | talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) |
| 18:19.18 | MrPingu | So now they logged that I said, I love the infobot :o |
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| 18:31.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~logs |
| 18:31.03 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo%2dssu/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 18:36.15 | kerio | neat |
| 18:36.22 | kerio | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.22 | infobot | only if you ask nicely and pay well. |
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