| 00:30.11 | luf | pali: thanks. I downloaded the new version. |
| 00:30.43 | Pali | ok, it should work (but there can be again some errors...) |
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| 00:58.52 | luf | Pali: I don't need it right now but I saved it for future :) |
| 01:00.41 | Pali | ok :-) |
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| 14:46.16 | timmy | where can i get the kernel for cssu manually? i need to flash it manually |
| 14:49.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | he meant thumb-enabled kernel for cssu-thumb |
| 14:50.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | where did you get it last time? |
| 14:51.25 | timmy | i had downloaded that through a full update to cssu-thumb, but at this moment i need to download that manually from the repositories |
| 14:52.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, freemangordon and Pali should know |
| 14:52.31 | timmy | ping Pali |
| 14:53.03 | Pali | timmy, http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/ |
| 14:54.34 | timmy | tnx Pali |
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| 15:28.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | epic: >> [20:54:59] <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer, lets not talk in the name of people we don't know, ok? << |
| 15:35.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, highly recommended read (even if you think you know already about it, it's not a bad idea to REread): http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/meetings/2012-05-14.txt |
| 15:36.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders what's state of this essential project for determining and securing CSSU future development |
| 15:40.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | anybody did *anything* to progress this? anybody found any problems in hindsight that we all missed out back when? Anybody meanwhile wraped his head around how this concept is basically obsoleting large parts of MP-concept by giving users freedom of choice rather than forcing them into a all-or-nothing situation? |
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| 16:13.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw for deploying $randomnumber optional packages to $user, I again suggest to exploit restore function. Have a look into /home/user/MyDocs/backups/*/* (or wherever you might find your backuptool dirs) |
| 16:15.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | deploying an edited version of such dir and then starting backup-app to restore it will open a nice dialog for user to select which of the packages to restore, and then use HAM to install them one by one |
| 16:16.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems absolutely appropriate to e.g. offer users of CSSU-T to one-click-join the bleeding-edge-of-everything inner circle |
| 16:17.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pondering to deploy a "Doc's finest (a user's digest)" |
| 16:17.44 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: can you do that to non-user packages? |
| 16:18.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno, but from a file structure perspective I wouldn't see why not |
| 16:18.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | might need red-pill though |
| 16:19.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | how ould any user be interested in installing non-user packages? |
| 16:20.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, non-visible packages as of HAM POV |
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| 16:21.06 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: procps :) |
| 16:21.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | since <see above>, about cssuR etc packages and the way they're supposed to be visible in HAM |
| 16:21.40 | kerio | also zomg, libc6 update |
| 16:21.49 | kerio | do i want to run it while on the road? |
| 16:21.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: how would procps get installed on anything non CSSU? how on CSSU even? |
| 16:21.57 | kerio | idk |
| 16:22.04 | kerio | what about the -gnu tools? |
| 16:22.09 | kerio | are they visible in HAM? |
| 16:22.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik those are user? |
| 16:22.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 16:22.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | if they're not visible, they won't go optional |
| 16:22.45 | kerio | camera-ui isn't userful |
| 16:23.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | it will be, as soon as it goes cssuR |
| 16:24.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the use of the suggested intermediate *-NOKIA package that depends on the original nokia package not in user |
| 16:24.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | besides it also serves for conflicting with the cssu pkg |
| 16:29.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | so camera-ui-cssu is visible/user and imports the nicocam binary camera-ui. camera-ui-NOKIA is visible/user and depends on (invisible) Nokia genuine camera-ui pkg which imports nokia binary camera-ui. camera-ui-cssuR is visible/user and installs nicocam camera-ui2 in parallel to original camera-ui |
| 16:29.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | cameraui-cssu and camera-ui-NOKIA conflict with each other |
| 16:30.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | so when you install one, you automatically nuke the other one |
| 16:31.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | any questions, Watson err kerio? |
| 16:32.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: libc6 update never meant going to be optional - kernel though is |
| 16:33.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | since the lib doesn't neet the pselect bugfix, it will happily work without it in the same way it did all the last 4 years |
| 16:33.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | (fallback) |
| 16:33.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | need* |
| 16:35.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and we damn shure should secure it's like that, since users might want to run bfs-kernel or whatever nonsense they could come up with, even their own kernel build, and CSSU so far worked with all those kernels, we don't want to change to the worse regarding this cssu property |
| 16:35.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure* |
| 16:39.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: also note that the scheme of mutually conflicting pks could also work for non-user pkgs via apt, as lonk as friggin MP is not dropping the ball in the game |
| 16:40.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | messybox is a particularly evil example how to NOT do it |
| 16:40.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | re procps |
| 16:43.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically you'd need a 'meta'package for each of the messybox applets like ps, ls, whatnot, each installing the symlink only, providing the property, and depending on messybox |
| 16:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you could install procps and by conflict it should uninstall messybox-ps |
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| 16:46.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | though ps not exactly the best example either, since messybox ps applet is fubar anyway |
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| 20:22.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-11-04 21:15:32] <fil> would it not be a good idea to flush fapman off of people's systems by having one of these CSSU packages conflict with it? (or has that already happened, and I missed it because I'm not getting updates?) |
| 20:22.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-11-04 21:16:28] <DocScrutinizer05> hey, nice idea |
| 20:23.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAM post-install? |
| 20:25.10 | tadzik | uncool |
| 20:34.33 | MrPingu | IMO, big fat warning on wiki, cssu installation not use FAM seems good enough to me |
| 20:34.57 | tadzik | I didn't have any problems with FAM, neither on cssu nor on thumb |
| 20:35.03 | tadzik | it doesn't do system updates anyway |
| 20:35.35 | MrPingu | No because the cssu-repo isn't added to your FAM? |
| 20:36.13 | tadzik | possibly, yes |
| 20:36.29 | tadzik | so there is a solution, apparently |
| 20:38.13 | MrPingu | untill you reimport HAM-repos, FAM *can* do systemupdates |
| 20:39.29 | MrPingu | Also uses autoremove and autoremove might fsck dependencies |
| 20:39.44 | MrPingu | *FAM uses |
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| 21:06.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, fapman *is* deprecated and known to fsckup your system eventually, and we already got a bugfixed HAM version in CSSU and we all hope to get a HAM version that can handle CSSU-optional packages sooner rather than later, and then fapman is absolute #1 on the noflight list |
| 21:14.56 | tadzik | hm, I didn't know that it's deprecated |
| 21:15.08 | tadzik | otoh, HAM is still a PITA to use |
| 21:15.29 | tadzik | not sure if it's better to just use 'apt-get update' for quick stuff |
| 21:18.53 | MrPingu | hows aptitude? |
| 21:21.36 | tadzik | never tried it on the device |
| 21:21.48 | MrPingu | Me neither :P |
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