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| 08:11.50 | luf | No hints for initializing cssu pulseaudio and bluez git? |
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| 09:18.27 | Pali | luf, see https://gitorious.org/maemo-bluetooth |
| 09:18.48 | Pali | maybe there is also maemo version (if it has maemo prefix) |
| 09:20.33 | luf | There is no latest maemo release. It ends with maemo32 (+-) and there is meamo49 (+-) on the device. |
| 09:20.42 | luf | I saw this git. |
| 09:22.04 | Pali | hm, there is 4.60-maemo |
| 09:22.06 | Pali | tag |
| 09:28.42 | Pali | luf, do you want fremante git bluez tree? |
| 09:29.02 | Pali | I can create it from packages from repository.maemo.org |
| 09:29.29 | luf | pali: I dont understand ... |
| 09:29.49 | Pali | $ git import-dscs |
| 09:29.59 | luf | If you find fremantle bluez git feel free to initialize bluez cssu with it. |
| 09:30.26 | Pali | ^^^ this will create git repository from dsc packages |
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| 11:43.59 | kerio | luf: srsly tho, gimme an updated package |
| 11:44.01 | kerio | i want it |
| 11:44.22 | kerio | sometimes bluetoothd gets confused and i have to restart it to make my headphones work again |
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| 12:12.53 | Pali | here is my script git-import-dscs which can import more dsc (debian source) packages into git: http://pastebin.com/xGQnp1Dn |
| 12:13.32 | Pali | git has its own "git import-dscs" but this script is better (it creating linear history) |
| 12:14.33 | Pali | usage is easy, create new directory, go here and run ./git-import-dscs <file1.dsc> <file2.dsc> ... |
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| 12:49.36 | luf | Pali: copy all sources (tar.gz+diff.gz or what is in dsc) and dsc files into one directory? Am I right. I hope I'll have time for it today in the evening or next week. |
| 12:50.09 | Pali | luf, copy all files (tar, diff, dsc) into other directory |
| 12:50.31 | Pali | and create new directory (where will be git tree) |
| 12:50.55 | luf | kerio: I'm short on time today :( Let's uninstall 4.99 package and install 4.60 back in case of such troubles. You have to use some force option for uninstall using dpkg. |
| 12:51.03 | Pali | script does not work if you download files into directory where will be git tree |
| 12:51.15 | luf | Pali: thanks again for the instructions. |
| 12:51.22 | Pali | ok |
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| 12:51.53 | luf | Can I get git tree from meego and apply the git-import-dscs over it? |
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| 12:53.15 | Pali | maybe it work or maybe not |
| 12:53.24 | Pali | but meego tree has new version of bluez |
| 12:53.39 | Pali | so it is useless (to import some old version on top of new) |
| 12:54.40 | luf | Pali: git reset --hard <last shared commit> and then over it of course. |
| 12:55.05 | Pali | yes, then you will have only one commit :-) |
| 12:55.30 | Pali | only one shared commit from meego is with maemo :-( |
| 12:55.34 | kerio | luf: nah, i'll just wait :) |
| 12:55.52 | luf | Pali: No. There is whole history till the last shared commit. |
| 12:56.03 | luf | + whatever over it. |
| 12:56.19 | luf | I'll try. I have to go to do something here :( |
| 12:56.29 | Pali | luf, whole shared history is only one commit :-( |
| 12:56.31 | luf | ***** paper work. |
| 13:05.03 | Pali | there is some bugs in my script |
| 13:05.07 | Pali | I will try to fix it |
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| 15:03.45 | Pali | here is new version of shell script git-import-dscs: http://pastebin.com/bZ7wvRm3 |
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| 15:16.37 | luf | kerio: bluez binary uploaded - you know where ;) |
| 15:17.40 | kerio | you keep saying that, and i keep having no clue |
| 15:18.03 | luf | kerio: The same place as the last time. |
| 15:18.08 | luf | Just version is changed. |
| 15:18.22 | luf | But I'm not sure you'll be lucky with audio. |
| 15:18.28 | kerio | hm |
| 15:18.54 | luf | http://merlin1991.at/~luf/bluez/ |
| 15:19.25 | luf | I have to catch the train .... |
| 15:20.00 | kerio | D: what's the difference between maemo2 and maemo1 |
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| 18:26.10 | luf | kerio: aprox. 150 patches. |
| 18:26.17 | kerio | neat |
| 18:27.02 | luf | I'll upload sources also ... |
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| 18:29.00 | Pali | luf, https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/bluez |
| 18:31.39 | luf | Pali: thanks |
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| 18:33.43 | luf | Pali: can I import the 4.99 the same way? Does it remove all files which aren't in the new release? |
| 18:33.57 | Pali | luf, it should |
| 18:34.51 | luf | Ok, awsome. |
| 18:47.00 | kerio | luf: how do i PAN-GN |
| 18:47.41 | luf | kerio: You need to upgrade memory :D |
| 18:48.08 | luf | I only know how to activate NAP ;) and it needs bridge kernel module. |
| 18:48.47 | luf | kerio: take a look into logs of this channel (I think yesterday). We talked about it with you and freemangordon. |
| 18:59.45 | kerio | luf: apparently you don't really need bridging if you're only doing point-to-point connections |
| 19:00.05 | kerio | it's needed if you end up with more than one connection, because pand creates a bnep<x> network interface for each connection |
| 19:00.12 | kerio | and it gets messy, unless you can bind the interfaces together |
| 19:00.13 | luf | kerio: I understand _but_ I'm not bluez developer. |
| 19:00.18 | kerio | luf: where's pand? |
| 19:00.49 | luf | kerio: again in -test I think. |
| 19:01.14 | luf | Let's explore. Please keep me now to do my job. pan isn't on the top of my TODO right now. |
| 19:01.17 | kerio | awesome :) |
| 19:02.09 | luf | BTW pand shouldn't be needed. It was even removed in upstream if I remember it right. The same as dund |
| 19:02.53 | kerio | meh |
| 19:02.58 | kerio | how is it supposed to work then? :s |
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| 19:04.28 | luf | kerio: :D nap doesn't need it. I don't understand how to register another type. It needs more time to understand and test. |
| 19:05.04 | luf | kerio: please, step by step ... or I give it up. |
| 19:09.47 | kerio | gaah, os x is so stupid |
| 19:09.50 | kerio | it can only act as a master |
| 19:10.37 | luf | kerio: what version of bluez it has? :D |
| 19:10.46 | kerio | oh you ;) |
| 19:11.35 | luf | kerio: share the bluez version on OS X ;) |
| 19:16.49 | kerio | huh... |
| 19:16.58 | kerio | i got it |
| 19:17.36 | kerio | i connected :D |
| 19:22.09 | kerio | hrmpf, apparently you're not supposed to use pand on bluez4 |
| 19:31.54 | luf | kerio: what? Can you be more descriptive? |
| 19:32.33 | kerio | luf: in theory bluez 4 should be able to be configured to serve as everything you'll ever need |
| 19:32.42 | kerio | pand and dund are deprecated |
| 19:32.57 | luf | Yes. It's right. |
| 19:34.02 | luf | Can you describe steps how you get connected? |
| 19:35.27 | kerio | luf: enable bluetooth PAN on laptop, pand --search |
| 19:35.42 | kerio | with bnep modprobed |
| 19:35.50 | kerio | i can't do a reverse connection though |
| 19:35.51 | kerio | which is silly |
| 19:36.31 | luf | So you're connected using pand from N900. Right? |
| 19:36.35 | kerio | yes |
| 19:36.40 | kerio | but apparently that's deprecated |
| 19:38.07 | luf | And what is supported way? |
| 19:38.28 | kerio | configuring /etc/bluetooth/network.conf in the correct way |
| 19:38.41 | kerio | but apparently bluez has no documentation whatsoever anywhere |
| 19:39.31 | luf | kerio: I know there is nearly no docs :( |
| 19:40.50 | kerio | luf: to that you also have to add the fact that i have no idea of what os x expects |
| 19:41.13 | kerio | i only figured out that to make syncml work you had to have bluetooth DUN working so that osx can identify the phone by trial and error |
| 19:43.28 | luf | kerio: There is no SDP record for GN or PANU on N900 :( I know how to activate NAP but only NAP. |
| 19:43.48 | kerio | luf: what? |
| 19:43.57 | kerio | i connected by being a PANU |
| 19:44.03 | kerio | it creates the SDP record automatically |
| 19:45.02 | luf | Yes but I think you can't connect from mac os or another N900 or ... |
| 19:45.27 | luf | And you used the pand ... |
| 19:49.35 | luf | Pali: ping |
| 19:49.42 | kerio | luf: i'm using NAP now |
| 19:49.46 | Pali | luf, pong |
| 19:50.05 | luf | I understand that I have to be in git root (the script). |
| 19:50.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders what your hackers are doing all the time |
| 19:50.15 | luf | And *.dsc can be in another directory? |
| 19:50.33 | kerio | luf: to make os x not barf, i had to add "networking" in the major service class |
| 19:50.35 | luf | kerio: you're using NAP on N900 ? |
| 19:50.50 | kerio | now i moved from "error message" to "jack shit happens" |
| 19:50.53 | kerio | which is, arguably, better |
| 19:51.01 | kerio | yeah, NAP on the n900 |
| 19:51.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | is there a defined goal why we're watching all BT getting redefined? |
| 19:51.11 | kerio | luf: how do i enable debug again? |
| 19:51.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: because it's fun |
| 19:51.43 | luf | Pali: I understand that I have to be in git root (the script). And *.dsc can be in another directory? |
| 19:52.02 | Pali | luf, dsc must be in other directory |
| 19:52.08 | kerio | my goal is to ssh to the n900 when it's not connected to my wifi network while pooping and the n900 is far away |
| 19:52.20 | luf | kerio: NAP on N900 needs bridge support in kernel. |
| 19:52.26 | kerio | 1) no it doesn't |
| 19:52.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd prefer to see such kinda fun for fun's sake not just here in #maemo-ssu |
| 19:52.47 | luf | kerio: How did you init NAP? |
| 19:52.48 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ok, let's talk about cssu |
| 19:52.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | It smells like ther'd be a logical link between the two topics |
| 19:53.01 | kerio | luf: pand -M -s -r NAP |
| 19:53.18 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i feel safer here :3 |
| 19:53.37 | luf | kerio: aaahhh ok. It's not what I want to see. |
| 19:53.39 | kerio | also i think that eventually luf wants to push bluez 4.99 to cssu |
| 19:53.45 | kerio | luf: i know :s |
| 19:53.48 | kerio | how did *you* enable NAP? |
| 19:54.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: that's exactly what I'm afraid of |
| 19:54.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh you :3 |
| 19:54.12 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: why you're affraid of? |
| 19:54.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | is there a defined goal why we're watching all BT getting redefined? |
| 19:54.27 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: carkit support, audio sink, PAN |
| 19:54.35 | luf | kerio: take a look into logs. I wrote it day or to ago. |
| 19:55.27 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: non-fixed bugs in 4.60? |
| 19:55.54 | luf | kerio: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/$(pidof bluetoothd)/hci0 org.bluez.NetworkServer.Register string:nap string:lan |
| 19:56.07 | luf | The second string is name of bridge device. |
| 19:56.22 | kerio | oh god dbus D: |
| 19:56.26 | luf | But it fails on connect as bridge doesn't exists. |
| 19:56.26 | kerio | doesn't grok dbus |
| 19:58.26 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: new bluez also support DUN and more out of the box. |
| 19:59.04 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: Why this can't go into -testing? |
| 19:59.07 | kerio | luf: hrmpf, i still can't get os x to connect |
| 19:59.45 | luf | kerio: pand --help to see how to debug? |
| 20:01.20 | kerio | luf: no, i'm trying your bluez.NetworkServer thing |
| 20:01.54 | luf | kerio: As I wrote it fails on non-existing bridge device. |
| 20:02.28 | kerio | yeah, but i made the bridge device |
| 20:02.49 | luf | kerio: how you created bridge device on N900? |
| 20:03.49 | kerio | brctl? |
| 20:04.48 | luf | kerio: where do you get it? And where you find kernel support for bridge on N900? |
| 20:05.14 | kerio | busybox-power, and kernel-power |
| 20:05.15 | kerio | :) |
| 20:05.29 | kerio | luf: am i supposed to add NAP to the sdp services manually? |
| 20:05.34 | luf | Pali: I can fix but I'm not sure if you upload correct version: git: 'import-dsc' is not a git command. See 'git --help'. |
| 20:06.00 | luf | I have it too ... and no brctl ... |
| 20:06.06 | Pali | luf, you need to install git import-dsc |
| 20:07.02 | Pali | on ubuntu it is in package git-buildpackage |
| 20:07.10 | Pali | luf ^^^ |
| 20:07.24 | luf | Pali: It asks me about import-dscs ... it's something else? |
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| 20:07.49 | Pali | my script is wrapper around git (addon) command import-dsc |
| 20:08.06 | Pali | and git has also (addon) command import-dscs which is other wrapper around it |
| 20:08.39 | luf | kerio: I have kernel-power 51r1 and busybox-power 1.20.2power2 |
| 20:08.40 | Pali | luf, install git-buildpackage and my script should work |
| 20:08.48 | kerio | luf: \_o_/ |
| 20:08.50 | luf | Pali; Ok. thanks for clarification. |
| 20:08.52 | kerio | maybe it was added in kp52? |
| 20:09.01 | kerio | Pali: did you add ethernet bridge support in kp52? |
| 20:09.12 | Pali | yes I enabled |
| 20:09.17 | kerio | luf: there you go |
| 20:09.20 | Pali | but I do not know if it is in some build |
| 20:09.27 | Pali | in git is enabled |
| 20:09.27 | luf | I missed release kp52 .... |
| 20:09.38 | kerio | Pali: well, i'm using it |
| 20:10.03 | Pali | ok |
| 20:10.21 | Pali | I also added kernel-feature-bridge |
| 20:12.23 | luf | Pali: my problem is that I'm on RH ... |
| 20:13.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | luf: I have no problems with fixed bugs, I'm scared by new bugs getting introduced. And I uttered a rant about meaning and purpose of cssu-testing just a few days ago. IIRC addressed to freemangordon, but basically it been meant as a general notice |
| 20:14.55 | Pali | luf, homepage of project is here: https://honk.sigxcpu.org/piki/projects/git-buildpackage/ |
| 20:15.35 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: there could be bugs, so it's never going to be in CSSU? |
| 20:16.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | this "testing" is probation, not experiment |
| 20:17.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's a whole lot about risk management, in deed |
| 20:18.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a very non-sophisticated level of argumentation, I don't see a massive pach going into cssu when the only major 'improvement' it brings is depending on KP and thus not applicable on CSSU |
| 20:18.50 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: we can give it into cssu-extras once it'll be created so it'll be optional. |
| 20:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's low risk |
| 20:19.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | no objections, if you manage that |
| 20:19.15 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: carkit (together with obexd) and DUN don't depend on KP |
| 20:19.19 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: bluez-4.99 has no dependency on KP. |
| 20:19.42 | kerio | and those are two fairly major improvements |
| 20:20.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I won't deny that |
| 20:20.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | but the risk seems also very high, looking at the major restructuring that even means we need to change services and whatnot |
| 20:21.18 | kerio | luf: i still can't get os x to connect, or even think of my n900 as a BT PAN-able device |
| 20:21.47 | luf | kerio: As I said. It's still not on top of my TODO. I'm sorry. |
| 20:26.23 | luf | Pali: I'm unable to find how to install it on RH :( |
| 20:31.33 | luf | Pali: maybe I find ... |
| 20:35.51 | luf | Pali: installed but I'm affraid there is not way in RH :( gbp.errors.GbpError: /usr/bin/dpkg not found - cannot use compare versions |
| 20:36.35 | luf | Pali: hmm there is dpkg for RH :) I didn't expect ... |
| 20:39.28 | luf | Pali: ping |
| 20:44.45 | luf | kerio: you can enable debug with adding -d '*' to the /etc/event.d/bluetoothd |
| 21:08.33 | luf | Pali: ok I get it :) thanks guy. It was little bit harder on RH :D |
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| 22:12.06 | luf | Pali: FYI I sync my latest bluez with the cssu git ;) |
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