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| 12:44.10 | freemangordon | Pali: ping |
| 12:55.56 | Pali | freemangordon, pong |
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| 13:42.10 | freemangordon | Pali: CAL lib is ready, now what? |
| 13:42.16 | freemangordon | both read/write |
| 13:43.53 | freemangordon | Pali: https://gitorious.org/cal/cal |
| 13:45.10 | Pali | freemangordon, ok |
| 13:55.02 | freemangordon | Pali: feel free to package it :D |
| 13:55.25 | Pali | freemangordon, ok :-) |
| 13:55.29 | freemangordon | (if needed) |
| 13:56.07 | Pali | now I'm trying to solve this problem, but without luck :-( https://www.spoj.pl/problems/NETADMIN/ |
| 13:56.14 | Pali | I will look at cal later... |
| 13:56.58 | luf | freemangordon: how low is the bluez-4.99 on your todo? I'm working on stabilization of bluez as tons of memleaks and wrong pointer operations fixed in git .... |
| 14:14.11 | merlin1991 | btw luf how ready is obdex by now? |
| 14:14.26 | merlin1991 | in other words should I package the current git for the new -testing? |
| 14:15.12 | luf | merlin1991: I think you can. No bug report and several fixes. |
| 14:16.00 | luf | merlin1991: Please don't forgot to include also librtcom-eventlogger1-async (fixed dependency). |
| 14:20.56 | luf | merlin1991: when do you want to realease the new -testing? |
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| 14:43.15 | freemangordon | luf: hmm, is bluez ready for prime-time? I mean is it stabel enough so I can put it on my primary device? |
| 14:43.40 | freemangordon | as I can't think on other way to test it |
| 14:46.02 | luf | freemangordon: Hmmm it should be ok. But better to wait after I finish with bugfixing (I'm at number around 90 now). |
| 14:48.07 | freemangordon | luf: ok. As I actually use BT on my everyday n900 often (HF connected all day long) I will wait you to gimme a green light |
| 14:49.21 | luf | freemangordon: Keep in mind that even green light should makes you a trouble ;) |
| 15:13.37 | merlin1991 | luf: I suppose somewhere around next week |
| 15:14.01 | merlin1991 | we've reach critical mass regarding updated packages and it's about time stuff goes into the wild again :) |
| 15:20.12 | luf | merlin1991: good :) |
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| 16:38.13 | kerio | wait, bug 90? D: |
| 16:38.14 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/90 Make hildon-widget macro names to use GLib standard |
| 16:38.17 | kerio | i'm running a buggy bluez? D: |
| 16:38.24 | kerio | no, you silly povbot, i'm talking about bluez |
| 16:43.53 | merlin1991 | kerio: nope.jpg |
| 16:44.08 | merlin1991 | er well yes if you installed it by hand |
| 16:44.12 | merlin1991 | otherwise no |
| 16:45.24 | kerio | merlin1991: of course i did |
| 16:45.29 | kerio | the bluez *you* ship is old! |
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| 17:19.40 | luf | kerio: unfortunately yes. 90 is now the count of patches for bluez-4.99. |
| 17:20.06 | kerio | luf: i trusted you! |
| 17:20.10 | kerio | also gimme a new binary plskthx |
| 17:20.22 | luf | kerio: no new binary yet. |
| 17:20.37 | kerio | but i want a binary D: |
| 17:20.54 | luf | kerio: :D Yes I see |
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| 17:49.19 | freemangordon | luf: I am well aware of that, but I prefer to test *after* there are no known regressions :P |
| 17:50.26 | kerio | freemangordon: pff, coward |
| 17:50.48 | kerio | luf: to be fair i had to restart bluetoothd in a couple of occasions |
| 17:50.52 | kerio | all related to A2DP in weird conditions |
| 17:51.02 | kerio | like A2DP during wifi monitor mode |
| 18:05.19 | luf | freemangordon: someone has to find the regressions first ;) |
| 18:06.50 | luf | kerio: There are several patches for A2DP :) |
| 18:07.18 | kerio | yay |
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| 18:43.08 | kerio | feature request: fix /bin/login so it doesn't require the login shell to be listed in /etc/shells |
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| 19:38.09 | luf | kerio: WTF? I vote againist this "fix" |
| 19:40.33 | kerio | why? |
| 20:05.09 | luf | Because it's nice unix like :) And it's wasting of time to remove such thing. You can add you favorite shell to the file. |
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| 20:28.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | luf: cssu-testing is not meant for THAT type of testing. Finding regressions is a process devels shall *finish* with in their local testbed, before a package goes to cssu-testing. The tesing in CSSU is meant in a sense of verification, not as in development |
| 20:29.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | re ((<luf> freemangordon: someone has to find the regressions first ;) )) |
| 20:31.52 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: I didn't talk about cssu-testing ... |
| 20:33.27 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: If I didn't miss something we (kerio, me and free) talk about bluez-4.99. And I don |
| 20:33.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 20:33.40 | luf | ... I don't propose bluez-4.99 for cssu. |
| 20:33.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might have gotten sth wrong |
| 20:33.59 | kerio | i propose bluez-4.99 for DocScrutinizer |
| 20:35.02 | luf | kerio: Be patient. It's very time consuming to go through all bluez patches since March. |
| 20:35.20 | kerio | can't you grab the latest upstream? |
| 20:35.45 | luf | I don't think so. |
| 20:36.00 | luf | And I don't want. |
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| 20:37.15 | kerio | maybe has too much faith in the upstream |
| 20:37.37 | luf | kerio: There is removed unix socket and alsa support and it's not tested in any well-known linux distros. |
| 20:37.55 | luf | At least in test env. |
| 20:38.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a common misconception that upstream was suitable for embedded |
| 20:38.36 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the n900 kinda blurs the line between embedded and desktop though |
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| 20:38.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really |
| 20:39.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | the hw clearly is defined by all the known embedded properties |
| 20:39.26 | kerio | which properties? |
| 20:40.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | irq event driven, no polling, speed to idle, zeroclock, proprietary "peripherals", etc... |
| 20:40.32 | kerio | but apart for the proprietary peripherals, those would be good things on a desktop, too |
| 20:41.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but "desktop" devels are largely ignorant to the change in thinking that introduces |
| 20:41.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it already hurts mer |
| 20:42.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | with their sensorfw evidently not designed according to those rules |
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| 20:43.39 | kerio | what's sensorfw? |
| 20:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | the middleware between sensors and apps |
| 20:44.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | replacement for stuff like mce, liblocation etc |
| 20:45.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it has no proper concept for irq event driven processing |
| 20:45.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least last time I checked |
| 20:46.25 | ShadowJK | The first I heard of zeroclock and race to idle was actually in connection with intel's lesswatts.org project :) |
| 20:46.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's like "app -[poll]->sensorfw-[poll]->peripheral |
| 20:46.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | " |
| 20:48.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hey, at least it's not a busyloop! |
| 20:49.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: yeah, intel is aware of those concepts, but not many of the so called "kernel hackers" contributing to mainstream are. That's why basically every embedded device is using a private fork of kernel and lowlevel system libs |
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| 21:06.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | intel's lesswatts initiative been originated from poor battery runtime in laptops, so basically more close to embedded at large, than to 'classic' UNIX which not even had concepts for suspend-to-ram or intermittant network connectivity |
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